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Speaker 1: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mumma Mer's twice daily

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Speaker 1: news podcast, The Quickie. Hey, quick question for you, Why

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Speaker 1: are we also obsessed with America? From every eyebrow raising

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Speaker 1: to potentially dangerous thing the US President sees. Australians and

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Speaker 1: those around the world can't seem to get enough of

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Speaker 1: what Donald Trump is doing or saying like him or otherwise.

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Speaker 1: We can't deny the impact the US and Trump has

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Speaker 1: on the rest of the world. But is it as

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Speaker 1: simple as hitting the mute button to drown out the

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Speaker 1: American ness before we get there? He's Claire Murphy with

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Speaker 1: the latest from the Quickie Newsroom for Thursday, September twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Taylor. Prime Minister Anthony Alberonizi is spooking Australia's world

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Speaker 2: first social media age band during a jam packed final

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Speaker 2: day the United Nations General Assembly. Mister Albinizi is trying

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Speaker 2: to build an inter national coalition to clamp down on

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Speaker 2: children's access to apps such as Instagram, TikTok and Snapchat,

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Speaker 2: joined by parents who've campaigned for the toughest social media laws.

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Speaker 2: The PM said that the globe is looking at this

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Speaker 2: and this isn't something that's confined to just Australia. Europe

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Speaker 2: is considering introducing similar laws to bar children under sixteen

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Speaker 2: from social media, but Australia's age restrictions could cause friction

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Speaker 2: with the US, where many major online platforms are based.

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Speaker 2: The issue could be discussed when mister Albanezi sits down

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Speaker 2: with US President Donald Trump in a face to face

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Speaker 2: meeting at the White House next month. The Oval Office

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Speaker 2: talks were officially announced after the PM briefly met Trump

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Speaker 2: at a reception for world leaders on Wednesday, with a

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Speaker 2: pair posed for a selfie. Australian Opposition leader Susan Lee

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Speaker 2: has been accused of going rogue after it was revealed

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Speaker 2: she'd written to US Republicans vowing to reverse Labour's pledge

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Speaker 2: to support Palestinian statehood. In the letter, Misslee claimed the

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Speaker 2: decision wasn't supported by the majority of Australians, telling nine News,

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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister has got this all wrong. He's talking big,

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Speaker 2: delivering nothing and letting Australians down. She said he's claiming

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Speaker 2: that unilateral recognition of Palestine will somehow help the hostages

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Speaker 2: on to say that we all want the water end,

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Speaker 2: but recognition has to come at the end of a

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Speaker 2: peace process. Foreign Minister Pennywong responded to the comments, saying

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Speaker 2: we are Australia's strongest when our country speaks with one voice,

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Speaker 2: saying it's a pity that Susan Lee does not, saying

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Speaker 2: Miss Lee's move followed twenty five senior congressional Republicans writing

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Speaker 2: to Prime Minister Anthony Albernizi and the leaders of France,

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Speaker 2: The former CEO of The Wiggles has launched legal action

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Speaker 2: against the companies, saying he believes he was dismissed without

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Speaker 2: reasonable basis for complaining about Blue Wiggle Anthony Field hiring

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Speaker 2: his friends and family. Luke O'Neill has launched legal action

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Speaker 2: against the group Blue Wiggle, Anthony Field and its general

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Speaker 2: counsel Matthew Salgo in the federal court, seeking damages and penalties.

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Speaker 2: Mister O'Neill claims Field, the sole original Wiggles still performing

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Speaker 2: in February. The Wiggles alleged the former CEO was fired

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Speaker 2: because his overall performance was not satisfactory and necessary trust

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Speaker 2: in him had been lost. O'Neil says he's owed more

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Speaker 2: in addition to compensation and penalties, but the Wiggles maintained

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Speaker 2: either whilst an employee or on the termination of his employment.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Claire. Next, unpacking our obsession with America. When America's

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Speaker 1: need says the world catches a cold. It's a nineteenth

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Speaker 1: garnered even more attention than ever before. From our long

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Speaker 1: in it. But why is that? Why do we continue

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Speaker 1: it actually that simple? Can we just turn off America

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Speaker 1: as always? A US correspondent, Amelia Lester, has a thing

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Speaker 3: With the US?

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Speaker 4: I think we're obsessed with Donald Trump rather than the US.

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Speaker 4: The fact is that every morning in Australia we wake

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Speaker 1: Is it a matter then, of even if we wanted to,

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Speaker 4: Wouldn't make a difference, Not even the US news cycle, Taylor,

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Speaker 4: We're just inside Donald Trump's head.

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Speaker 3: Let's just take Russia and Ukraine as an example.

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Speaker 4: Like unfortunately, every time he meets with someone, he comes

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Speaker 1: I want to talk more about Ukraine specifically in a moment.

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Speaker 1: But it's interesting you say there that we're obsessed with

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Speaker 1: were two very distinct cults of personality going on for me,

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Speaker 1: When those two things collided, like you said, it's become

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Speaker 1: almost impossible to look away. Do you think that if

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Speaker 3: Well, we don't even need to play with hypotheticals.

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Speaker 4: Cast your mind back one year ago, which had a

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Speaker 3: And look, the US remains really important.

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Speaker 4: It's the biggest donor to the UN, for instance, so

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm glad to bring the UN up because currently

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Speaker 1: We've seen this week Donald Trump gave his address. It

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Speaker 1: topic of climate change. Now, if you're thinking Donald Trump

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's worth remembering his long deny climate change.

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Speaker 4: really inauspicious because what he says the world, as we've

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Speaker 1: Following that logic, then when the usays jump, the rest

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Speaker 1: Something else that's been happening while the General Assembly is

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Speaker 1: We saw this week Trump met again with Ukrainian leader

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Speaker 1: Now that's actually a bit of a backflip, because last

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just want to pull you up on something, Taylor.

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Speaker 4: When he posts on truth social, he truths. That's the sorry,

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Speaker 4: thank you so a tweet. It's not a post, it's

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Speaker 4: it's the truth. Truth Okay, So he truthed after he

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Speaker 4: met with Zelenski. So again we're seeing this effect whereby

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Speaker 3: And yeah, that was a big shift.

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Speaker 4: Clearly, he and Zelensky hit it off this time in

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Speaker 4: Some people think that's making reference to Crimea, which was

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Speaker 1: Now, of course, when we talk Russia Ukraine, one of

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's a scheduling issue.

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Speaker 4: I think that Putin has made very clear he's been

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Speaker 4: legitimizing Zelenski as the leader of territory that he believes,

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Speaker 1: Okay, so that is a will they won't they that

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Speaker 1: Is the meeting between US President Donald Trump Australian Prime

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Speaker 1: Minister Anthony Albanezi. White House official confirmed that the two

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Speaker 4: on October the twenty third, twenty twenty three. There will

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Speaker 4: not be a state dinner this time, mark my words.

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Speaker 4: There's not going to be a red carpet rolled out.

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Speaker 4: It seems very clear that Trump is only very grudgingly

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Speaker 1: Okay, so there's no likelihood of Trump coming down Under

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Speaker 1: It's almost like Trump saying, I've given you the easy

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Speaker 4: One thing that did happen, which is on Australian's radars

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for taking some time to feed your

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Speaker 1: mind with us today. The quickie is produced by me

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Speaker 1: Taylor Strano and Clare Murphy