WEBVTT - Dr Matt Agnew PART 2 // Ghosting, graphs and going to space?

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Seize the Yay Podcast. Busy and happy

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<v Speaker 1>a series of conversations on finding a life you love

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<v Speaker 1>and exploring the self doubt, challenge, joy and fulfillment along

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<v Speaker 1>the way. Lovely yighborhood as promised, here is part two

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<v Speaker 1>of what could easily have snowballed into an eight hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and seventy five part series with my dear friend, doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Matt Agnew. I'm sure you guys can hear now why

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<v Speaker 1>we get along so well. He's just such an easy

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<v Speaker 1>conversationalist and we always go off on the most random

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<v Speaker 1>but enjoyable tangents. Even still with two parts, there is

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<v Speaker 1>so much we didn't get to about this fascinating human being,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's all without really touching on The Bachelor at all.

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<v Speaker 1>So I do hope that you have enjoyed getting to

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<v Speaker 1>know a different side of him for his proper intro

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<v Speaker 1>and bio. Go back to the first part. We pick

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<v Speaker 1>up in this episode right where we left off, which,

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<v Speaker 1>as it turns out, wasn't very far into his story

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<v Speaker 1>at all or his WATA. I think we made it

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<v Speaker 1>to the tender age of twelve in the timeline, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's still so much more ahead, so who knows. Part

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<v Speaker 1>three could still come at you in the future, But

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<v Speaker 1>in the meantime, I do hope you guys enjoy this

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<v Speaker 1>part two. Matthew Terrence agnew and because I'm just distinguishing

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<v Speaker 1>it from matt from The Bachelor, I feel like there's

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<v Speaker 1>to be a distinguisher, and that's Matthew Terrence, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>Matthew Terrence because I feel like that's a little lesser

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<v Speaker 1>known fact.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, my middle name or name, yeah, it is Lesson

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<v Speaker 2>and it's also spelt I think no, you're a singlar

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<v Speaker 2>and an E because I think the standard spelling of

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<v Speaker 2>Terrence I think is T A n C. Mine is

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<v Speaker 2>T E R E n C.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, okay, which is yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure why my folks opted for that, but

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<v Speaker 2>they just fun yeah, And I feel my parents told

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<v Speaker 2>me this, and they deny this story to me now,

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<v Speaker 2>but they said that they gave me and my older brother.

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<v Speaker 2>So my eldest brother and my eldest I've only got

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<v Speaker 2>one sister, but they got the standard kind of like grandparents' names.

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<v Speaker 2>My oldest brother got Alan Thomas, and my sister got

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<v Speaker 2>Flora Charlotte's beautiful. Yeah. So me and then me and

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<v Speaker 2>my other brother was like, okay, well, what are we

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<v Speaker 2>giving them for their middle names?

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<v Speaker 1>You're just chucking to misspelled Terrence were miss spelled Terrence.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So basically we got variations of my dad's name,

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<v Speaker 2>which is Terry. So I got Terrence and my brother

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<v Speaker 2>got Edward because there was at the time some of

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<v Speaker 2>the rallies called him.

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<v Speaker 1>Ted Oh my god, I know that was born. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. He's long yes on his passport.

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<v Speaker 2>Why did I think it was just I.

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<v Speaker 1>Think because we've always said Teddy, yeah, but Edwards his

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<v Speaker 1>passport names. Okay, there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>So we got Yeah, so Mark Edward and Matthew Terrence

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<v Speaker 2>and my parents I swear they told me this was

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<v Speaker 2>They wanted to give us the sort of regal sounding

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<v Speaker 2>name for when we eventually get knighted.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice. I love that. That is why.

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<v Speaker 2>Sir Matthew hasn't got the same ring as Sir Matthew Terrence,

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<v Speaker 2>just like Sir Mark or Sir Mark Edward's true. They

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<v Speaker 2>deny this story, and so now I'm second guessing I've

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<v Speaker 2>just made this. I don't know now because I'm like, hey, on,

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<v Speaker 2>have my parents they've told me this completely made up,

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<v Speaker 2>fabricated story and now are denying it, or have I

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<v Speaker 2>made this up in my head? I'm like, yeah, they

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<v Speaker 2>thought we're going to get knighted one day.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you gaslighting yourself? Gaslighting?

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<v Speaker 2>You don't know? The former?

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<v Speaker 1>Probably basically story though.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So that's yeah, that's the origin of Terrence.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, when you do go to space and get knighted, inevitable,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll laugh when you're like, I am Sir Matthew Terrence,

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<v Speaker 1>agne the astronaut, the astronaut direct, Yeah, and then you

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<v Speaker 1>can be so doctor actually, oh my God, what comes

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<v Speaker 1>first the hierarchy of titles? Is it doctor, sir? Or

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<v Speaker 1>would you just drop doctor drop.

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<v Speaker 2>Because you can do doctor or you can book PhD.

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<v Speaker 2>At the end new PhD. I slapped that out of

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<v Speaker 2>the end, slap sir at the start.

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<v Speaker 1>So you've got it's like bookmarks. Yeah, that is a

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<v Speaker 1>good bookmark your booking.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know what, Matthew Terrence agnew PhD.

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<v Speaker 1>That's nice. That's nice. And then you'd add like an

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<v Speaker 1>O I m at the end when you get your

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<v Speaker 1>Order of Australian Medal.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct. Yeah, So I've got a few things I need

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<v Speaker 2>to achieve from here, yeah, and not a ton of

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<v Speaker 2>time to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. I'm like I started so strong on the first ever,

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<v Speaker 1>so on part one, being like I want to introduce

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<v Speaker 1>that not from a bachelora and blaha, warn't show who

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<v Speaker 1>you are, and then I made it to like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the age of twelve. I think that's as far as

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<v Speaker 1>I got.

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<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, I can't remember how deep we got because

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<v Speaker 2>you've had a number of these conversations offline.

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<v Speaker 1>I think maybe that's why. Because I was like, where

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<v Speaker 1>are we up to? And I just and then tangents

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<v Speaker 1>and it really is when you want to showcase every guest,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to showcase the best side of them that

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<v Speaker 1>I can. But when it's your friend, you know so

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<v Speaker 1>many more sides than you do about the average person

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<v Speaker 1>that then every tangent, Like normally I would like go

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<v Speaker 1>of a tangent and go that's not the best one.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's like focus on the one. Whereas with a friend

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, well, I need to pick up on that

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<v Speaker 1>because I know something about it. It's like you've done

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<v Speaker 1>too much research, Like I'm too well researched on Sir Matthew,

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<v Speaker 1>transact me pha I am. It's like a really different composition.

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<v Speaker 2>But you're saying it's like you find doing interviewing friends harder.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a challenge for you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's more because you put more pressure on yourself because

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<v Speaker 1>you know them better. So it's like your passion to

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<v Speaker 1>convey something is greater than like you always want to

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<v Speaker 1>convey someone in the best way you can, but when

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<v Speaker 1>you're invested in the person as well, you're like, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to show everything about this person that other people

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<v Speaker 1>might not know. And then yeah, halfway through you're like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>I made it to like dot point one of four

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and twenty seven and like we're not even all

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<v Speaker 1>the way through your life yet, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>Like Jesus, we haven't even made it to the knighthood yet. No,

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<v Speaker 1>that was really sweat.

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<v Speaker 2>It was really sweet, because sweet and misplaced when you

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<v Speaker 2>were apologizing after our last recording because you felt you

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<v Speaker 2>didn't get deeper and it was Yeah, as I said,

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<v Speaker 2>it was a misplaced apology. It was no apology necessarily. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it was really sweet to see this such a high

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<v Speaker 2>level of quality you hold yourself too, That's what it

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<v Speaker 2>was flattered that you wanted to have a second art

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<v Speaker 2>as well because it was so much fun last time. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so yes, no, thank you bring back.

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<v Speaker 1>I really listened and I did enjoy that. I think

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<v Speaker 1>maybe like decide I wanted of you maybe did come

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<v Speaker 1>out more or because we weren't so structured, like maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it was more like this is who matters when he's

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<v Speaker 1>just chatting with a friend.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, definitely. I think that's because you don't necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>always see that. Certainly with social media, I've been able

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<v Speaker 2>to allow a lot of my personality to MOI a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>More of my personality.

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<v Speaker 2>Fun. Yeah, yeah, I've been able to allow more of

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<v Speaker 2>my personality out in social media and just in general,

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<v Speaker 2>just people seeing me more naturally and less curated as

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<v Speaker 2>they were first introduced to me. But you still don't

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily see these the tangents. Yeah, how does his friendship opera? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's It's like you said that, the unstructuredness

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<v Speaker 2>of it was actually quite nice. Yeah, well, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Really enjoyed it. But then when I was actually going

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<v Speaker 1>back to the questions afterwards, I was like, I literally

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<v Speaker 1>started your way toa around like taking time off school

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<v Speaker 1>and I think it was primary school. I don't even

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<v Speaker 1>know if I got to high school. But then didn't

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<v Speaker 1>even cover like any of your jobs, both of your

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<v Speaker 1>books AI, which is like the biggest topic. You've literally

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<v Speaker 1>gone and restudied it your business crash. Like, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>what did I cover anything? So let's go back, let's

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<v Speaker 1>pick up where we left off. There are so many

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<v Speaker 1>things that I wanted to talk to you about, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think I need to start with dating purely because

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<v Speaker 1>the DM I mean, I can't even imagine what your

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<v Speaker 1>dms are, Like my dms before the episode even came out,

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<v Speaker 1>just saying I recorded with you were bananas, But one

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<v Speaker 1>thing that we did kind of give a like allude

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<v Speaker 1>to a little bit last time was the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>we had both had a big period and you would

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<v Speaker 1>continue to be in this big period of quitting alcohol,

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<v Speaker 1>and that certainly we bonded over something over and past.

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<v Speaker 1>Your business has been sort of one of the beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>developments out of that. But to bring it back to dating, firstly,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people were like easy single, such an

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<v Speaker 1>eligible guy, blah blah blah. Like I was like, I

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<v Speaker 1>know this, Like what what do you want me to

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<v Speaker 1>do with this information? But we didn't talk about it,

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<v Speaker 1>not yesterday but in the last episode. So I have

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of questions about it. Is dating post bachelor

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<v Speaker 1>easier or harder? Post alcohol easier or harder? Because I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's a really interesting question and post mental health

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<v Speaker 1>diagnoses easier or harder? Big questions they are?

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<v Speaker 2>They are big, They're meaty.

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<v Speaker 1>They're meaty. Why did I start with this? We're still

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<v Speaker 1>not going to get to astrophys exactly are dating episode?

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see if I can do this without so many tangents.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it harder or easier post batch? It's hard to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of go one way or the other. There is

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<v Speaker 2>a huge change in it. I would say I probably

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<v Speaker 2>get more matches on dating apps, and I imagine in

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<v Speaker 2>large part that is due to the fact that I

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<v Speaker 2>was on a TV show and I'm a known person.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think anything materially has changed other than that

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<v Speaker 2>in regards to the change in number of matches. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a challenge in that it's harder to discern is someone

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<v Speaker 2>swiping on me because they're interested to get to know me,

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<v Speaker 2>or the kind of keener date the year, or if

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<v Speaker 2>it's a novelty, or trying to understand what's their motivation,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's a little harder to figure out. Sometimes I

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<v Speaker 2>think I'm much better at it. That's kind of been

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of a challenge. Another challenge related to it

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<v Speaker 2>is there's a lot of articles out there of which

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<v Speaker 2>I have no control over, that are typically completely inaccurate,

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<v Speaker 2>not amazing and no amazing, and that sometimes has impacted dating.

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<v Speaker 2>So as an example, I went on four or five

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<v Speaker 2>dates with this woman. We're getting on really well, it

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<v Speaker 2>was all really going great, and we'll teeing up date six,

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<v Speaker 2>and then she basically canceled. It's out. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>we should meet up. You have a very public dating life.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>The reality is if you look at my Instagram, if

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<v Speaker 2>you look at any of the articles, I've never shared

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<v Speaker 2>details about who I've dated. There's no one on my Instagram.

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<v Speaker 2>There's daily mail articles where there's been these made up

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<v Speaker 2>stories about who I'm dating. And I think we've joked

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<v Speaker 2>about this basically whenever I get a photo with someone

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<v Speaker 2>with compatible genitals, obviously, yeah, obviously it's like they're dating. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So those articles, if someone's read them and thinks, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>he's look at all these people he's dating, it's always

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<v Speaker 2>in the news. I mean, none of them are true.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've always been very private with my dating life

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<v Speaker 2>and with basically anyone in my life, really my friends

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<v Speaker 2>and family as well. I made a very significant decision

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<v Speaker 2>when I went on TV to concede a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>my privacy. No one else in my life made that decision,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I really am deeply respectful of the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that they are entitled to that privacy. And so if

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<v Speaker 2>you look through my Instagram, there's not loads of my

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<v Speaker 2>family there, and that's not because I'm ashamed of them

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<v Speaker 2>or they're ashamed of me, but they value their privacy

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<v Speaker 2>my friends, they're there in bits and pieces. Again, whenever

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<v Speaker 2>I post something, they always make sure they're comfortable with that,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's no nothing, there's no shreds of the people

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<v Speaker 2>I've dated on there, because I've always been very private

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<v Speaker 2>about my dating life. So that was a frustration because

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<v Speaker 2>it was, you know, she said I had a very

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<v Speaker 2>public dating life, whereas I have quite the opposite. No

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<v Speaker 2>one could tell team. You couldn't say who have I

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<v Speaker 2>dated other than the person I dated on The Bachelor?

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<v Speaker 2>Tell me who I've dated in the last five years,

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<v Speaker 2>and none would be able to say that other than

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<v Speaker 2>my friends that I know in person. So that was

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<v Speaker 2>a frustration that's kind of come about. So is it

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<v Speaker 2>harder or easier post Bachelor? It's a different challenge. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a different challenge, I think I certainly, and I know

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<v Speaker 2>for a lot of men on dating apps, the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>challenge is just getting a match. So I'm in a

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<v Speaker 2>luxurious position where I don't have that as the challenging aspect,

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<v Speaker 2>because that's really hard to adjust. If you're just not

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<v Speaker 2>getting matches, it's really hard to figure out. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>a case of I need to do something different in

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<v Speaker 2>how I'm engaging or whatever's what's wrong with my profile

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<v Speaker 2>that's not resonating with people. So I don't have that

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<v Speaker 2>challenge as much.

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<v Speaker 1>That's because you're a data scientist and you crunch the data.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, finally enough some of the as now have insight

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<v Speaker 3>for it. Child you which photos people are slid to

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<v Speaker 3>go on more. So I'm like, okay, so this is

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<v Speaker 3>the good one. So there are data analytics behind the

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<v Speaker 3>scenes as well. So yeah, the game, I'm like, what

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<v Speaker 3>I know about this because I have periods where I'm like.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not dating. It's too hard, you know, it takes

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<v Speaker 2>an emotional toll. And then I'll have periods I'm jumping

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<v Speaker 2>back in and usually after that period of something news happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Dates.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, analytics, now I can see the data, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>really I'll use it as an example. So the last

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<v Speaker 2>kind of this year, the last five people I've dated,

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<v Speaker 2>to give you an example of of I guess the

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<v Speaker 2>frustration I'm facing. One of them we probably dated for

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<v Speaker 2>a period of about three months. You know, a dozen

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<v Speaker 2>or so dates just ghosted me after three months. I

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<v Speaker 2>thought that's pretty brutal. Another one we on a few dates,

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<v Speaker 2>ghosted me a week and a half l artext and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, hey, just just seeing what happened to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Found out she had someone else, it wasn't going anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>so then started dating me, and then the other one

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<v Speaker 2>changed their mind. So I was kind of just like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know the standby anyway, the third was the

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<v Speaker 2>one who changed their mind because the dating the fourth

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<v Speaker 2>where it went on some dates and then kind of

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<v Speaker 2>just suddenly goes, oh, I want an open relationship, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, that's fine, that's just not a compatibility for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone's got preferences. And then the fifth one, and this

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<v Speaker 2>happens all the time. We get like foal six dates

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<v Speaker 2>in and suddenly it's you're perfect, You're amazing. But I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just not ready to date code for because I've had

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<v Speaker 2>probably in the last like two or three years, I

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<v Speaker 2>would have had a dozen women say this to me,

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<v Speaker 2>the same thing, the same thing, like, you know, significantly

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<v Speaker 2>into dating. It's not like half the first couple of dates.

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<v Speaker 2>It's date six, seven, eight, and it's always the same thing,

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<v Speaker 2>You're perfect, You're amazing, like Sharer with connglents, and I

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<v Speaker 2>even some of them are like, Okay, yeah, that's cool,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks letting me know. Probably half of them like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>just checking, like you don't need a sugarcoat.

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<v Speaker 1>Like yeah, I want to exit into in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Most normal, casual ways, like hey, just let me know,

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, and they just double down on what

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<v Speaker 2>they're saying yea. And so people are like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>why are you still single? What's what's wrong with you?

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, well, I don't think anything. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>if there was something wrong, hopefully I would have figured

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<v Speaker 2>it out by now all my friends would have told me.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know if I'm just tremendously unlucky that

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<v Speaker 2>I keep going on these dates to people and ending

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<v Speaker 2>up in that situation. But it's yeah, I just I'm

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<v Speaker 2>confused about why that seems to be the case.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so interesting. As a data guy, that would be

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<v Speaker 1>really hard.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that's why half the time I'll be like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>just checking, like like let me know, you know, was

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<v Speaker 2>there anything in particular that and they're like, no, no, genuinely,

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<v Speaker 2>you are exactly who I'm looking for. I just yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's time date.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's so interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just apparently I'm just You're just a timing

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<v Speaker 2>in the world. So I mean it gets Yeah, like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, it does take an emotional toll because obviously

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<v Speaker 2>after six seven eight dates, you're starting to get some feels. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And so it's not just like a one or two

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<v Speaker 2>day and you're like yep, sweet, all right, move on.

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<v Speaker 2>It's you're starting to kind of make it a deeper connection.

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<v Speaker 2>And certainly, I think in your thirties day six, seven eight,

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<v Speaker 2>you're starting to kind of be like, yeah, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>like dating year twenties.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's so different. It's like whatever, man having

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<v Speaker 1>a good time time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think in your thirties you're kind of thinking

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<v Speaker 2>a bit more, Okay, what's how do I really feel here?

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<v Speaker 2>You know more about yourself and who you are, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what you're looking for. They also have the same

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<v Speaker 2>kind of idea about who they are and who they're

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<v Speaker 2>looking for, so you can kind of figure out compatibilities

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<v Speaker 2>much quicker. So yeah, I've kind of just that wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>even your question.

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<v Speaker 1>I've just kind of but that was a really interesting

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<v Speaker 1>That was a really interesting insight because I do think

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<v Speaker 1>things like The Bachelor, and I don't I don't mean

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<v Speaker 1>to keep coming back to that because I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 1>show the side of you that isn't that, which is

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<v Speaker 1>part of this conversation. I think it sometimes trivializes. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>some people have come out and had particularly in the

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<v Speaker 1>early seasons. I've interviewed a lot of people on the

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<v Speaker 1>show and have good friends who have gotten married have

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<v Speaker 1>kids out of the relationship that they had on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>I think sometimes it can trivialize the concept of day

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<v Speaker 1>to be, like to forget that, like by date eight

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<v Speaker 1>you have court feels. In your thirties, it is like

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<v Speaker 1>you are trying to find a partner for life and

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<v Speaker 1>that it is like timing is a really big thing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's cosmic, like funny talking to an astrophysicist. It

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<v Speaker 1>is cosmic that anyone actually ends up finding the right

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<v Speaker 1>timing with the person they're compatible with, Like that's actually

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<v Speaker 1>the stats are actually quite like unlikely. Yeah, yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's magic that it does happen.

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<v Speaker 2>For sure. And I think that timing piece in your

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<v Speaker 2>thirties becomes even harder because you have so much more

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<v Speaker 2>going on and rightfully, you're starting to craft a life

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<v Speaker 2>for yourself that you're really happy with and content with,

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<v Speaker 2>and the partner is to enrich that further not to

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<v Speaker 2>complete it, so to spay, and so you've got inherently

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<v Speaker 2>a more busier lifestyle, and the timing element is sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>even more challenging than so. Yeah, to your point that

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<v Speaker 2>timing is already hard, and then I think in your

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<v Speaker 2>thirties it can sometimes be a little harder again, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it does trivialize. You're right. The dating, I

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<v Speaker 2>think a little bit. It's still it's still quite challenging.

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<v Speaker 2>I think for everyone. And I think, yeah, it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>like just everyone, like, don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Ghost, like the common courtesy.

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<v Speaker 2>You're mature enough, if you're old enough to date, you're

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<v Speaker 2>old enough to give someone you know, be respectful and

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<v Speaker 2>say thanks, but no thanks. You don't need to go

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<v Speaker 2>into detail.

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<v Speaker 1>You just call it.

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<v Speaker 2>Or whatever. Like ghosting is like, you know, gutter behavior,

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<v Speaker 2>really low and men and women do it. It's indifferent

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<v Speaker 2>whether you're a guy, a gal, non binary, power whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Ship people ghosts. Yeah, that's the line.

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<v Speaker 1>Mates, don't let mates ghost. Also your friends accountable. There's

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<v Speaker 1>anything you.

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<v Speaker 2>Take out of let's let's you know, rather than getting

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<v Speaker 2>angry and dating, let's be respectful, let's improve. I actually

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<v Speaker 2>saw this view again being the data nerd I am.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a data visualization. It was one of those

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<v Speaker 2>ones you know where it starts like a year and

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<v Speaker 2>it's got the graph.

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<v Speaker 1>And did you just say graph graph?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, jo graph South Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, you're only born there.

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<v Speaker 2>Twelve but like plant and oh my god, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Do it is such as Australian things. Data scientist that

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<v Speaker 1>says graph.

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<v Speaker 2>I also say data, which I think most will say data.

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<v Speaker 1>Good Americans say data, Yeah all right, yeah, let's spent.

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<v Speaker 1>Normal people say graphs.

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<v Speaker 2>Graph, graphing, calculator graph, there's a bar graph, bar graph, yeah, barograph,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know it's I don't know if I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be able to get this out, sorry, but you know

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<v Speaker 2>they it's like the years ticking over and they grow

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<v Speaker 2>and like change in order about you know, it will

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<v Speaker 2>be something the most common name, for example, and so

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<v Speaker 2>it's like jack and then as the things go that's

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<v Speaker 2>small gets smaller and another one grows and then it

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<v Speaker 2>takes Have you seen that visualization? It was one of those,

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<v Speaker 2>but for how people met their partner from ninety twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four to twenty twenty four, which I will send you

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<v Speaker 2>the link as well it's really cool, but it has

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<v Speaker 2>it changing. And obviously at the start it's like family

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<v Speaker 2>and friends and work or something like that, and then

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<v Speaker 2>bars kind of come in there and stuff. Anyway, it

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<v Speaker 2>gets to twenty twenty four. By twenty twenty four, sixty

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<v Speaker 2>percent is dating apps. Bars had dropped eight percent.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I can't remember the other the other data

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<v Speaker 2>in there, but yeah, it was it was run close exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, it was startingpiation. Club groups poor groups for

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<v Speaker 2>South Australians said I'm shocked. I think people like I

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<v Speaker 2>don't notice that. So I was saying once I need

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<v Speaker 2>to go buy some more plants.

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<v Speaker 1>Well plant, it's definitely is how Australian. That's really interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>So fancy, I don't say really transport okay in a

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<v Speaker 1>club do you say trance music?

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<v Speaker 2>Trance? Yeah? What do you say trance?

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<v Speaker 3>I've always said trance is let's dance to some I can.

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<v Speaker 1>See dance because dances formal, but trance is so casual

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<v Speaker 1>transfer doing a pole about this, it's definitely not trust.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, if I did this pole on my Instagram,

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<v Speaker 2>I imagine the ratio of people saying trance would match

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<v Speaker 2>my Adelaide too smart. I've got no tiny UK audience,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know that I'm always in the insights speaking of.

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<v Speaker 1>So one thing I did not do was continue to

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<v Speaker 1>go through the fact that one thing I think is

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<v Speaker 1>amazing about you and I kind of started to hammer

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<v Speaker 1>home the point and then I don't even know where

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<v Speaker 1>my brain went. But you went from very vulnerably and

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<v Speaker 1>generously sharing how much your schooling was interrupted by mental

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<v Speaker 1>health breaks, and yet you went on to do five degrees,

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<v Speaker 1>which I've been at pains to remind everyone about, and

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<v Speaker 1>incredibly intellectually rigorous degrees, and then have had a very

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<v Speaker 1>successful time across various roles in the workforce at big

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<v Speaker 1>companies like Chevron at Lassian. So again intellectual rigor which

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<v Speaker 1>seems incompatible and having a dating life as well and

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<v Speaker 1>a social life which seems often incompatible with a mental

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<v Speaker 1>illness to the point that it interrupted your schooling. So

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<v Speaker 1>one thing that was really reassuring was hearing that you

0:23:53.160 --> 0:23:57.560
<v Speaker 1>can still go on to have a really high functioning

0:23:58.359 --> 0:24:02.840
<v Speaker 1>career and life. What was the change from the big

0:24:02.920 --> 0:24:04.960
<v Speaker 1>breaks from school to then being able to do UNI

0:24:05.560 --> 0:24:09.240
<v Speaker 1>and then being able to hold down really high performing jobs. Sorry,

0:24:09.280 --> 0:24:14.960
<v Speaker 1>that was such a pivot, the fact you can hold

0:24:15.000 --> 0:24:15.920
<v Speaker 1>the data in your head.

0:24:16.040 --> 0:24:19.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's I bring up in a similar vein to this.

0:24:20.080 --> 0:24:22.280
<v Speaker 2>When I was in primary school, I couldn't read very well,

0:24:22.359 --> 0:24:24.960
<v Speaker 2>and so I had to Yeah, I had to go

0:24:25.160 --> 0:24:30.440
<v Speaker 2>into this kind of intensive assistive extracurricular reading thing that

0:24:30.560 --> 0:24:33.280
<v Speaker 2>the school held called reading recovery, and so I used

0:24:33.280 --> 0:24:35.840
<v Speaker 2>to go to these additional reading classes to learn to read,

0:24:36.320 --> 0:24:39.639
<v Speaker 2>which is I guess I'd bring that up often with

0:24:40.240 --> 0:24:43.200
<v Speaker 2>in particular students in that. Eventually I went on and

0:24:43.240 --> 0:24:46.440
<v Speaker 2>wrote a book which going from someone two books, so

0:24:46.640 --> 0:24:49.760
<v Speaker 2>for going from someone who was so poor at reading

0:24:49.880 --> 0:24:53.280
<v Speaker 2>he needed to utilize the assistive facilities that the primary

0:24:53.280 --> 0:24:56.280
<v Speaker 2>school provided for reading to being able to do that.

0:24:56.359 --> 0:25:00.320
<v Speaker 2>I used that to kind of just remind, yeah, children

0:25:00.400 --> 0:25:02.840
<v Speaker 2>and students in particular, that if you're finding things hard,

0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:06.399
<v Speaker 2>that's okay. We all face different challenges and it doesn't

0:25:06.440 --> 0:25:08.440
<v Speaker 2>define you. And it's also not something that you can

0:25:08.640 --> 0:25:11.720
<v Speaker 2>still work at and get to a point where you're

0:25:11.760 --> 0:25:14.640
<v Speaker 2>comfortable and feeling more confident about whatever it is you're

0:25:14.640 --> 0:25:17.600
<v Speaker 2>finding challenging. And so I think it's not quite what

0:25:17.760 --> 0:25:20.240
<v Speaker 2>you're saying. By in a similar fashion, I think it

0:25:20.520 --> 0:25:25.359
<v Speaker 2>just helps people contextualize that the battles you face, whether

0:25:25.440 --> 0:25:32.000
<v Speaker 2>that's academically or psychologically, you can overcome and still lead

0:25:32.080 --> 0:25:35.000
<v Speaker 2>a very fulfilling life and achieve things that you can

0:25:35.040 --> 0:25:37.680
<v Speaker 2>be proud of, whatever that happens to be. So to

0:25:37.800 --> 0:25:41.919
<v Speaker 2>your question about how, was that it.

0:25:42.040 --> 0:25:44.520
<v Speaker 1>Was the how or that it was just really making

0:25:44.600 --> 0:25:47.720
<v Speaker 1>the point generally, I think that exactly what you said.

0:25:48.600 --> 0:25:53.680
<v Speaker 1>I think silo ourselves very heavily into I'm academic, I'm creative,

0:25:53.800 --> 0:25:56.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm sporty, I'm artie, and then you kind of think

0:25:56.720 --> 0:25:59.560
<v Speaker 1>you're in that silo forever. And I think people really

0:25:59.680 --> 0:26:03.520
<v Speaker 1>limit their dreams or the things that they will their

0:26:03.560 --> 0:26:06.720
<v Speaker 1>goals because they think, well, I couldn't do business because

0:26:06.760 --> 0:26:09.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm an academic person, or I couldn't do academia because

0:26:09.359 --> 0:26:12.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm not smart. And if you look at your school life,

0:26:12.200 --> 0:26:15.879
<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't think astrophysicist. And I think the jump. What

0:26:16.080 --> 0:26:18.480
<v Speaker 1>I love to do with this show is connect jumps

0:26:18.520 --> 0:26:21.320
<v Speaker 1>that you wouldn't expect and remind people listening, either for

0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:25.400
<v Speaker 1>themselves or their children or friends or whatever, that there

0:26:25.440 --> 0:26:27.840
<v Speaker 1>are so many people who have made jumps that you

0:26:27.880 --> 0:26:29.879
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't think. A child in read and recovery, would go

0:26:30.000 --> 0:26:32.600
<v Speaker 1>on to do five not just five normal degrees, but

0:26:32.760 --> 0:26:37.159
<v Speaker 1>five scientific degrees and then work in like heavily academic

0:26:37.640 --> 0:26:41.119
<v Speaker 1>intellectual industry. And that in itself is just really reassuring.

0:26:41.240 --> 0:26:45.360
<v Speaker 1>But also from your perspective, were you ever dissuaded from

0:26:45.400 --> 0:26:47.880
<v Speaker 1>thinking you could go into like did you not think

0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:50.200
<v Speaker 1>of yourself as the smart guy? But now you're branded

0:26:50.240 --> 0:26:51.800
<v Speaker 1>a nerd? That's so interesting to me.

0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:55.760
<v Speaker 2>I'd always been very academically focused. My parents are both

0:26:55.920 --> 0:26:59.359
<v Speaker 2>very analytical and scientific. My mum's got a degree in

0:26:59.400 --> 0:27:04.040
<v Speaker 2>pure mathematic which is the worst thing, and my dad, yeah,

0:27:04.119 --> 0:27:06.720
<v Speaker 2>maths and engineering and computer science, a double degree. And

0:27:06.800 --> 0:27:09.560
<v Speaker 2>so you know, I've inherited already a little bit of

0:27:09.640 --> 0:27:13.920
<v Speaker 2>natural ability, I think, or natural kind of propensity to

0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:18.360
<v Speaker 2>mathematics and science. So I've got, I guess, a privilege

0:27:18.400 --> 0:27:22.200
<v Speaker 2>there that not everyone has. But my parents, I think

0:27:22.240 --> 0:27:26.199
<v Speaker 2>they really emphasized the importance of education, and so they

0:27:26.280 --> 0:27:29.680
<v Speaker 2>weren't you know, cracking the whip or anything or like

0:27:29.840 --> 0:27:32.560
<v Speaker 2>locking me in rooms and stuff, But they were always

0:27:32.640 --> 0:27:37.040
<v Speaker 2>really encouraging to focus and apply, and if something was hard,

0:27:37.119 --> 0:27:39.520
<v Speaker 2>they would sit down and try and work through, and

0:27:40.160 --> 0:27:45.159
<v Speaker 2>they fostered a really really positive learning situation for me

0:27:45.280 --> 0:27:48.040
<v Speaker 2>and my siblings, such that we always wanted to do

0:27:48.160 --> 0:27:51.879
<v Speaker 2>really well academically because they had encouraged us, supported us,

0:27:51.960 --> 0:27:55.000
<v Speaker 2>and said, why it's really important to just kind of

0:27:55.000 --> 0:27:57.640
<v Speaker 2>setting yourself up. And I think that's still true now.

0:27:57.920 --> 0:28:00.440
<v Speaker 2>I think it's probably the way they did, I think

0:28:00.560 --> 0:28:03.760
<v Speaker 2>is the right way compared to the current I guess

0:28:03.920 --> 0:28:08.520
<v Speaker 2>education system where the pressure placed on year twelves. This

0:28:08.760 --> 0:28:12.000
<v Speaker 2>is like door die, you know, like if you if

0:28:12.040 --> 0:28:14.360
<v Speaker 2>you don't do well in your exams, that's you're done,

0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:18.639
<v Speaker 2>which is completely bullshed. And I try to kind of

0:28:18.720 --> 0:28:20.399
<v Speaker 2>do a bit of a post each year around this

0:28:20.520 --> 0:28:22.440
<v Speaker 2>time of year when the exams are in full flight,

0:28:22.640 --> 0:28:25.600
<v Speaker 2>just to help try and remind students that this isn't

0:28:25.640 --> 0:28:29.919
<v Speaker 2>you know. You do your best, but don't grind yourself

0:28:29.960 --> 0:28:32.280
<v Speaker 2>into the ground doing it or beat yourself up. I

0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:35.240
<v Speaker 2>remember I was. I threw up before most of my

0:28:35.359 --> 0:28:38.000
<v Speaker 2>exams in a year to a half because I was

0:28:38.080 --> 0:28:39.920
<v Speaker 2>so stressed about performing.

0:28:40.240 --> 0:28:42.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and again throwing up in your school life.

0:28:43.200 --> 0:28:47.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, unfortunately and that, yeah, that pressure never came

0:28:47.680 --> 0:28:51.240
<v Speaker 2>from my parents. It was putting on myself, and largely

0:28:51.320 --> 0:28:54.040
<v Speaker 2>because of that external pressure from this system that you know,

0:28:54.160 --> 0:28:55.720
<v Speaker 2>if you don't do well, you won't get into the

0:28:55.760 --> 0:28:58.520
<v Speaker 2>degree you want, and then you know you've ruined your life.

0:28:59.360 --> 0:29:02.120
<v Speaker 2>And we know that is not true at all, it's

0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:04.880
<v Speaker 2>never been true, but that I think is still pervasive

0:29:05.240 --> 0:29:07.520
<v Speaker 2>among students, and so I think it's really important to

0:29:07.640 --> 0:29:12.400
<v Speaker 2>kind of, yeah, just help people students and kids realize that, Yeah,

0:29:12.760 --> 0:29:15.200
<v Speaker 2>definitely try your best, and if there's a particular degree

0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:17.520
<v Speaker 2>you really want to get into, try and do that.

0:29:18.280 --> 0:29:20.360
<v Speaker 2>But if you don't, there's so many other ways to

0:29:20.480 --> 0:29:23.080
<v Speaker 2>still get into that degree you want, or maybe you

0:29:23.200 --> 0:29:25.920
<v Speaker 2>end up getting gaining an interest in a different thing altogether,

0:29:26.280 --> 0:29:29.760
<v Speaker 2>or I mean us in particular have had such random,

0:29:30.280 --> 0:29:34.360
<v Speaker 2>random career paths that you never have picked. So I

0:29:34.440 --> 0:29:39.160
<v Speaker 2>think it's yeah, I think it's really important for yeah,

0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:41.240
<v Speaker 2>I think I think for students to be aware of that,

0:29:42.040 --> 0:29:44.040
<v Speaker 2>just to take a bit of that pressure off. And

0:29:44.120 --> 0:29:46.360
<v Speaker 2>that's not to say like be lazy and don't try,

0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:50.640
<v Speaker 2>but it's to the point of, yeah, apply yourself, work hard,

0:29:51.280 --> 0:29:54.560
<v Speaker 2>but certainly don't beat yourself up. Whatever the results are,

0:29:54.880 --> 0:29:58.920
<v Speaker 2>you will have a fulfilling life and career and it's

0:29:58.960 --> 0:30:01.440
<v Speaker 2>going to be a windy part that Avyn is going

0:30:01.480 --> 0:30:03.800
<v Speaker 2>to be on a windy path. You never know that.

0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:05.480
<v Speaker 2>I think when you're going through year twelve, no.

0:30:05.600 --> 0:30:07.680
<v Speaker 1>One hundred percent or most of the dog points. Like

0:30:07.720 --> 0:30:09.320
<v Speaker 1>I was even looking at your LinkedIn, it's sort of

0:30:09.360 --> 0:30:13.040
<v Speaker 1>like mechanical engineer at Chevron, which is not necessarily where

0:30:13.120 --> 0:30:16.640
<v Speaker 1>you expect. Now it's like you know two times author

0:30:16.920 --> 0:30:19.960
<v Speaker 1>on AI that doesn't necessarily match up with like a

0:30:20.080 --> 0:30:22.760
<v Speaker 1>facilities engineer in like a mining company you know in

0:30:22.920 --> 0:30:25.920
<v Speaker 1>Perth in Wa. It's like such a big I think

0:30:25.960 --> 0:30:28.840
<v Speaker 1>the dots often make sense looking backwards, but going forwards

0:30:28.880 --> 0:30:30.280
<v Speaker 1>you just got to put one foot in front of

0:30:30.280 --> 0:30:33.040
<v Speaker 1>the other. And so another thing that I think is

0:30:33.080 --> 0:30:35.120
<v Speaker 1>really difficult is when you are going forward and trying

0:30:35.160 --> 0:30:38.680
<v Speaker 1>to find putting this either society or yourself putting pressure

0:30:38.720 --> 0:30:40.920
<v Speaker 1>on you to find your ya or like seize your

0:30:41.000 --> 0:30:44.240
<v Speaker 1>ya and find your joy. Is if you can't see

0:30:44.360 --> 0:30:47.640
<v Speaker 1>that pathway that someone else has done, you don't know

0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:49.160
<v Speaker 1>to aim for it because you don't know that that's

0:30:49.160 --> 0:30:52.239
<v Speaker 1>a job. So can you talk to us about now

0:30:52.320 --> 0:30:56.040
<v Speaker 1>having written two books, we did touch briefly on astrophysics,

0:30:56.520 --> 0:30:58.760
<v Speaker 1>but I want to know, like what, how does that

0:30:58.840 --> 0:31:01.560
<v Speaker 1>translate into a for you, like you wrote your first

0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:05.640
<v Speaker 1>book on Doctor Matt's Guide to Space, Like how did

0:31:05.680 --> 0:31:08.760
<v Speaker 1>you even learn all that stuff? And if you wanted

0:31:08.800 --> 0:31:11.880
<v Speaker 1>to get someone excited about astrophysics, I'll take one thing

0:31:11.920 --> 0:31:13.360
<v Speaker 1>out of the first book. What would it be?

0:31:14.840 --> 0:31:16.960
<v Speaker 2>One thing out of the first book or something?

0:31:17.040 --> 0:31:20.120
<v Speaker 1>You're like, you know because you didn't work in astrophysics first.

0:31:20.480 --> 0:31:22.160
<v Speaker 2>No, No, it started in engineering.

0:31:22.320 --> 0:31:23.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that's interesting to me as well because it

0:31:23.960 --> 0:31:25.120
<v Speaker 1>wasn't space focused at all.

0:31:25.400 --> 0:31:29.600
<v Speaker 2>No, No, And I always liked space. I did as

0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:32.080
<v Speaker 2>part of the degree, my bachelor degree, I had to

0:31:32.120 --> 0:31:33.840
<v Speaker 2>do physics one on one on one O two, which

0:31:33.920 --> 0:31:37.240
<v Speaker 2>had a portion of the physics component was astronomy, and

0:31:37.360 --> 0:31:40.040
<v Speaker 2>I loved it. But I think I had no idea

0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:43.040
<v Speaker 2>what I wanted to do. I remember talking to my

0:31:43.400 --> 0:31:45.520
<v Speaker 2>folks a lot, being like what do I pick? I

0:31:45.560 --> 0:31:48.479
<v Speaker 2>don't know anything, and Dad suggests engineering, largely because it's

0:31:48.520 --> 0:31:52.440
<v Speaker 2>such a strong degree. There's always demand for engineers and

0:31:52.480 --> 0:31:54.480
<v Speaker 2>I only see that changing for the next fifty one

0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:57.240
<v Speaker 2>hundred years, and so I kind of picked out. I

0:31:57.280 --> 0:31:59.080
<v Speaker 2>thought an engineer was like a mechanic. I thought you

0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:02.280
<v Speaker 2>were on the tools and stuff That's what I.

0:32:02.280 --> 0:32:03.840
<v Speaker 1>Thought of when I saw Chevron. I was like, were

0:32:03.840 --> 0:32:05.240
<v Speaker 1>you like building like I.

0:32:05.320 --> 0:32:07.360
<v Speaker 2>Did, actually not building, but I did get to go

0:32:07.480 --> 0:32:09.880
<v Speaker 2>out there, and like I was changing some spools on

0:32:10.040 --> 0:32:12.400
<v Speaker 2>this stuff. So spools are like, you know, it's like

0:32:12.480 --> 0:32:14.120
<v Speaker 2>a pipe with flanges.

0:32:13.800 --> 0:32:16.000
<v Speaker 1>Each, Like what's a spool even a flange.

0:32:16.000 --> 0:32:19.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh my god, imagine a pipe that kind

0:32:19.480 --> 0:32:22.160
<v Speaker 2>of like flares out and so to you attached to

0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:25.360
<v Speaker 2>them together that flare you kind of bolt between. So

0:32:25.720 --> 0:32:28.680
<v Speaker 2>spool is the pipe with the flange dams. So I

0:32:28.760 --> 0:32:30.400
<v Speaker 2>was changing spools. So I got to go out there,

0:32:30.400 --> 0:32:32.240
<v Speaker 2>you know, in the hard hat, the high veers, the

0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:35.960
<v Speaker 2>steel caps, got this giant talk ranch unt screwing things

0:32:36.080 --> 0:32:39.080
<v Speaker 2>taking them out. Yeah, it was really fun. So a

0:32:39.120 --> 0:32:41.160
<v Speaker 2>lot of the stuff I wasn't on the tools. I'd

0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:42.560
<v Speaker 2>been going out and it had been doing a lot

0:32:42.600 --> 0:32:45.520
<v Speaker 2>of inspections and yeah, kind of going through data sheets,

0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:48.120
<v Speaker 2>always data, yeah.

0:32:48.080 --> 0:32:52.920
<v Speaker 1>But dating data, data, spool data the ground.

0:32:53.040 --> 0:32:56.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But yeah, I got to do a little bit

0:32:56.560 --> 0:33:00.760
<v Speaker 2>on the tools, which was really fun. And yeah, so

0:33:00.880 --> 0:33:03.480
<v Speaker 2>how did I how did I end up in astrophysics?

0:33:04.960 --> 0:33:06.000
<v Speaker 1>Make the dots connect?

0:33:07.200 --> 0:33:12.720
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, exactly, let me extrapolate interpolate in this case. Sorry,

0:33:13.120 --> 0:33:13.360
<v Speaker 2>I was.

0:33:13.360 --> 0:33:17.760
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, guys. Extravolate and interpolate are different words. Most people

0:33:17.800 --> 0:33:19.080
<v Speaker 1>don't use both in their vernacular.

0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:23.880
<v Speaker 2>Continue all right, So yeah, kind of after it about

0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:25.840
<v Speaker 2>three or four years of engineering, and i'd done a

0:33:25.880 --> 0:33:30.000
<v Speaker 2>couple of different engineering companies, both a client and a EPCM,

0:33:30.080 --> 0:33:32.959
<v Speaker 2>which is engineering procurement construction management.

0:33:33.040 --> 0:33:35.320
<v Speaker 1>I think so much of your LinkedIn does not make

0:33:35.360 --> 0:33:35.960
<v Speaker 1>sense anyway.

0:33:36.560 --> 0:33:40.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that's part of writing a CV, right,

0:33:40.480 --> 0:33:42.680
<v Speaker 2>make it sound really impressive, and it's like, what did

0:33:42.680 --> 0:33:44.960
<v Speaker 2>you do change a light bulb? You know that?

0:33:45.440 --> 0:33:46.560
<v Speaker 1>But it's actually a spool.

0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:49.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a spool, it's got flangers. So I'd work

0:33:49.640 --> 0:33:51.760
<v Speaker 2>for a couple of engineering companies. I'd done office based,

0:33:51.760 --> 0:33:54.120
<v Speaker 2>I'd done site based, so I'd try a real kind

0:33:54.160 --> 0:33:57.560
<v Speaker 2>of mix of engineering, and it just wasn't gelling for me.

0:33:58.280 --> 0:34:00.720
<v Speaker 2>And one of the advantages I had from working site

0:34:00.760 --> 0:34:03.560
<v Speaker 2>based in oil and gas was it's well paid, and

0:34:03.640 --> 0:34:06.720
<v Speaker 2>so I had a nice kind of pool of savings

0:34:06.840 --> 0:34:09.840
<v Speaker 2>that I could think, all right, well, a lot of

0:34:09.880 --> 0:34:11.600
<v Speaker 2>people that's the time where you know, putting money into

0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:13.400
<v Speaker 2>their homes. And I was like, I don't know if

0:34:13.400 --> 0:34:14.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm ready for that. I kind of don't know what

0:34:14.960 --> 0:34:16.640
<v Speaker 2>I want to do. I might just you know, do

0:34:16.680 --> 0:34:19.200
<v Speaker 2>a bit of travel, live abroad, you know, that whole

0:34:19.280 --> 0:34:20.360
<v Speaker 2>kind of discovery yourself.

0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:23.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, just going to take a Yeah.

0:34:23.480 --> 0:34:25.400
<v Speaker 2>And I was in a luxurious position because I had

0:34:25.480 --> 0:34:29.120
<v Speaker 2>worked in quite a lucrative profession and so I was

0:34:29.160 --> 0:34:30.600
<v Speaker 2>trying to you know, I was traveling at beer, I

0:34:30.719 --> 0:34:32.880
<v Speaker 2>was living, you know, I visited my brother in Europe.

0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:35.160
<v Speaker 2>I was I lived in Buenos Aires for four months.

0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:40.920
<v Speaker 2>Really yeah, yeah, it's beautiful. I loved it. And then

0:34:40.920 --> 0:34:42.680
<v Speaker 2>I was like, what do I want to do? And

0:34:42.960 --> 0:34:46.360
<v Speaker 2>I remember my parents saying, well, think about what what

0:34:46.480 --> 0:34:49.040
<v Speaker 2>did you used to really like as a kid, And

0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:54.279
<v Speaker 2>I said, I like space, Yeah, the Mars Rover and

0:34:54.440 --> 0:34:57.120
<v Speaker 2>so you know, astrophysics is just space for adults. And

0:34:57.280 --> 0:35:01.759
<v Speaker 2>so I applied for a mass is in astro at

0:35:02.400 --> 0:35:06.040
<v Speaker 2>lund University in Sweden and it ended up getting accepted

0:35:06.239 --> 0:35:10.000
<v Speaker 2>and went there and at the time, so so you

0:35:10.160 --> 0:35:13.680
<v Speaker 2>like this story. So I initially got rejected for the

0:35:13.719 --> 0:35:17.240
<v Speaker 2>application because they were, oh, you don't have the physics background,

0:35:17.239 --> 0:35:18.719
<v Speaker 2>because I've only done physics one at one and one

0:35:18.800 --> 0:35:21.239
<v Speaker 2>two as part of the engineering degree, so despite the

0:35:21.280 --> 0:35:23.080
<v Speaker 2>fact they had a Bachelor of Science and applied maths

0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:25.799
<v Speaker 2>a Bachelor of Engineering at MECH and they were.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, no, it's insufficient, as in you would have needed

0:35:28.280 --> 0:35:29.480
<v Speaker 1>a pure physics story.

0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:32.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like third year physics, okay, And so I got

0:35:32.160 --> 0:35:34.040
<v Speaker 2>there resilt. I was like, ah, that sucks, and I

0:35:34.080 --> 0:35:36.520
<v Speaker 2>thought I'll submit an appeal. There's an appeal process. I

0:35:36.560 --> 0:35:38.399
<v Speaker 2>submitted it and I was like, oh, look, it's based

0:35:38.440 --> 0:35:42.960
<v Speaker 2>on what's written on the application. I need all the requirements.

0:35:43.680 --> 0:35:47.200
<v Speaker 2>I got this email months later and they go, and

0:35:47.320 --> 0:35:51.040
<v Speaker 2>this is so Swedish. They go, oh, so we've looked

0:35:51.239 --> 0:35:55.360
<v Speaker 2>at your application and the requirements and what was written

0:35:55.520 --> 0:35:58.880
<v Speaker 2>on the requirements that was listed on the website. You

0:35:59.000 --> 0:36:02.480
<v Speaker 2>did fulfill them incorrect but you did fulfill them.

0:36:02.680 --> 0:36:03.359
<v Speaker 3>So we need.

0:36:07.080 --> 0:36:10.840
<v Speaker 2>On the website. Yeah, and it's after living in sweet

0:36:10.840 --> 0:36:14.759
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, this is very sweet to my advantage. Yes,

0:36:15.040 --> 0:36:18.279
<v Speaker 2>So I ended up getting in not necessarily the requirements

0:36:18.320 --> 0:36:21.200
<v Speaker 2>they whoever had put them up mustn't have, you know,

0:36:21.400 --> 0:36:24.080
<v Speaker 2>quite written them correctly. And so what was written now

0:36:24.080 --> 0:36:25.840
<v Speaker 2>I did fulfill and so I got accepted. And so

0:36:26.400 --> 0:36:31.120
<v Speaker 2>when I did the Masters, they I remember talking to

0:36:31.200 --> 0:36:33.920
<v Speaker 2>the astro coordinator and I was like, look, you know

0:36:33.960 --> 0:36:36.160
<v Speaker 2>I haven't done I've only done first year physics. And

0:36:36.200 --> 0:36:37.480
<v Speaker 2>they're like, all right, what we can do is get

0:36:37.480 --> 0:36:39.719
<v Speaker 2>you to fill in. Because you had like four electives

0:36:39.760 --> 0:36:43.880
<v Speaker 2>that you could specialize in astro units, we'll use a

0:36:43.920 --> 0:36:48.080
<v Speaker 2>couple of them to basically like so you can do

0:36:48.239 --> 0:36:51.520
<v Speaker 2>like yeah, because it was the physics. So I was like, oh,

0:36:52.320 --> 0:36:54.920
<v Speaker 2>it was atomic and molecular physics and nuclear physics I

0:36:55.000 --> 0:36:58.000
<v Speaker 2>had to do. So I jumped straight from first year

0:36:58.040 --> 0:37:02.720
<v Speaker 2>to third year physics was like eight years earlier. Essentially,

0:37:02.760 --> 0:37:05.640
<v Speaker 2>I was going straight into thirty year physics in the

0:37:05.719 --> 0:37:09.520
<v Speaker 2>class and everything above the bachelor level at Swedish unions

0:37:09.640 --> 0:37:10.240
<v Speaker 2>is done in English.

0:37:10.360 --> 0:37:14.600
<v Speaker 1>There's so much bachelor in your life. I'm like, what bachelor? Oh? Sorry,

0:37:16.760 --> 0:37:21.959
<v Speaker 1>funny everything above the bachelor undergraduate level undergrad.

0:37:21.719 --> 0:37:24.880
<v Speaker 2>Level is taught in English. But I remember when they're like,

0:37:24.920 --> 0:37:27.400
<v Speaker 2>all right, yeah, so you remember this from second year physics.

0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:31.280
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, if we don't remember physics.

0:37:31.400 --> 0:37:35.240
<v Speaker 1>And put it in English, remind me just second year physics.

0:37:35.320 --> 0:37:36.520
<v Speaker 2>I've just I can't quite place.

0:37:36.600 --> 0:37:38.000
<v Speaker 1>I've got a blanket, can quite place.

0:37:38.600 --> 0:37:41.480
<v Speaker 2>Remind me again? I think actually a couple of people. Yeah,

0:37:41.600 --> 0:37:44.320
<v Speaker 2>just remind us. So they were the two of the

0:37:44.400 --> 0:37:48.040
<v Speaker 2>hardest units. Was basically getting dropped in third year physics

0:37:48.840 --> 0:37:51.920
<v Speaker 2>and trying to, you know, fumble my way through and

0:37:52.400 --> 0:37:56.000
<v Speaker 2>learning from scratch and yeah, it's but yeah, it is

0:37:56.080 --> 0:37:59.000
<v Speaker 2>all in English. And it was funny because I remember

0:37:59.040 --> 0:38:01.840
<v Speaker 2>talking to some of the sweet and they're like, I

0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:03.840
<v Speaker 2>don't know how to say this word in Swedish. I

0:38:03.880 --> 0:38:07.680
<v Speaker 2>only know this physics technical physics term in English because

0:38:07.719 --> 0:38:08.680
<v Speaker 2>we learned it in England.

0:38:08.800 --> 0:38:09.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:38:09.560 --> 0:38:13.000
<v Speaker 2>So it's a really interesting, yeah, kind of culture in

0:38:13.160 --> 0:38:16.200
<v Speaker 2>terms of the education system because it is this in particular,

0:38:16.280 --> 0:38:18.759
<v Speaker 2>lunit is a very international university, and so you've got

0:38:18.800 --> 0:38:22.080
<v Speaker 2>this melting pot of cultures. And I remember the way

0:38:22.120 --> 0:38:24.239
<v Speaker 2>a couple of my Swedish friends explained it. They're like, yeah,

0:38:24.640 --> 0:38:27.920
<v Speaker 2>we basically we speak English and Sweden, but we then

0:38:27.920 --> 0:38:30.439
<v Speaker 2>also get this secret language that no one else really knows.

0:38:31.120 --> 0:38:32.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Nice, so we can talk about it.

0:38:32.760 --> 0:38:34.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah you guys, Yeah, that's kind of true. Like you

0:38:35.040 --> 0:38:38.080
<v Speaker 2>speak to Swedes and you wouldn't even know, like because

0:38:38.080 --> 0:38:43.200
<v Speaker 2>they imitate perfect English or American accents, so you can't

0:38:43.200 --> 0:38:45.920
<v Speaker 2>even tell half the time. And then they also get

0:38:45.920 --> 0:38:48.000
<v Speaker 2>this secret language that nine million people know in the

0:38:48.040 --> 0:38:51.520
<v Speaker 2>world else no one else. I was like, Okay, that's

0:38:51.640 --> 0:38:53.920
<v Speaker 2>an interesting that I put it. So I did. Yeah,

0:38:53.920 --> 0:38:56.560
<v Speaker 2>I did the masters there. It was fifty percent courts work,

0:38:56.600 --> 0:39:00.640
<v Speaker 2>fift percent research, and just fell in with the research

0:39:00.840 --> 0:39:03.760
<v Speaker 2>aspect of it. Just really loved it. I was modeling

0:39:04.040 --> 0:39:08.560
<v Speaker 2>exoplanet atmospheres, so I was basically modeling, yeah, and I

0:39:08.640 --> 0:39:12.160
<v Speaker 2>was trying to understand if there were there's these types

0:39:12.160 --> 0:39:13.680
<v Speaker 2>of planets. Do you want me to get in the

0:39:13.719 --> 0:39:15.959
<v Speaker 2>weeds to weak? I love this. So there's these types

0:39:16.000 --> 0:39:21.160
<v Speaker 2>of planets, exoplanets called hot Jupiter's good name, and they're

0:39:21.200 --> 0:39:25.719
<v Speaker 2>basically giant gas planets like Jupiter, but they're they're hot,

0:39:26.360 --> 0:39:28.440
<v Speaker 2>and they're hot because they are so close to the

0:39:28.560 --> 0:39:31.359
<v Speaker 2>star we're talking instead of orbiting. You know, the Earth

0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:34.040
<v Speaker 2>takes three sixty five days, Jupiter's like eleven years or

0:39:34.080 --> 0:39:37.960
<v Speaker 2>something like that. They take three days. Whoa, so three

0:39:38.040 --> 0:39:40.000
<v Speaker 2>days to all but they're that close, which means they're

0:39:40.520 --> 0:39:45.080
<v Speaker 2>super hot several thousand degrees. And what that does is

0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:48.640
<v Speaker 2>it puffs up the atmosphere because it's so hot and energetic,

0:39:49.320 --> 0:39:53.239
<v Speaker 2>and the starlight can shine through the atmosphere, and we

0:39:53.320 --> 0:39:56.600
<v Speaker 2>can observe that starlight and what's interacting with the atmosphere.

0:39:56.640 --> 0:39:59.280
<v Speaker 2>We can understand kind of things about the chemical composition

0:39:59.360 --> 0:40:01.040
<v Speaker 2>of the atmosphere, temperature of the atmosphere.

0:40:01.160 --> 0:40:03.479
<v Speaker 1>How excited, He's got a totally different look on your face.

0:40:05.160 --> 0:40:05.600
<v Speaker 2>Excited.

0:40:05.840 --> 0:40:08.400
<v Speaker 1>This is the definition of yay when someone's face does that.

0:40:08.680 --> 0:40:12.319
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Yeah, So this really really cool project. I had

0:40:12.360 --> 0:40:16.360
<v Speaker 2>this really cool research element, had this computational element modeling

0:40:16.400 --> 0:40:19.480
<v Speaker 2>these atmospheres, and just really liked it. And that's what

0:40:19.680 --> 0:40:23.000
<v Speaker 2>sent me down the academic route for for the next

0:40:23.040 --> 0:40:27.800
<v Speaker 2>four years going into research to my PhD and had applied.

0:40:27.840 --> 0:40:30.279
<v Speaker 2>I had a couple of PhD interviews in Europe. I

0:40:30.360 --> 0:40:34.000
<v Speaker 2>had one in Munich, one in Amstam, and one in Leiden,

0:40:34.080 --> 0:40:37.359
<v Speaker 2>which is a smaller international UNI about forty minute train

0:40:37.440 --> 0:40:42.120
<v Speaker 2>from Amsterdam. Did really strongly in interviews, but I was

0:40:42.280 --> 0:40:45.800
<v Speaker 2>the second choice for all three and only had one spot.

0:40:46.239 --> 0:40:47.600
<v Speaker 2>And all of them came back and they said you

0:40:47.840 --> 0:40:51.319
<v Speaker 2>were amazing. There was just some slightly more aligned. If

0:40:51.360 --> 0:40:55.480
<v Speaker 2>they turn it down though, you're you're in none to town.

0:40:55.960 --> 0:40:57.719
<v Speaker 2>So I was like, Okay, that sucks. So then I

0:40:57.800 --> 0:41:01.040
<v Speaker 2>started looking Australian unis and for a few in New

0:41:01.080 --> 0:41:04.400
<v Speaker 2>South Wales and Melbourne, and I ended up the project

0:41:04.480 --> 0:41:08.560
<v Speaker 2>at Swinburn just I really liked it. It was searching

0:41:08.680 --> 0:41:11.960
<v Speaker 2>for Earth two point zero basically planets like Earth Solar

0:41:12.000 --> 0:41:16.359
<v Speaker 2>system analogus cool and again largely it was a computational

0:41:16.800 --> 0:41:20.319
<v Speaker 2>and modeling project, which is you've kind of got two

0:41:20.360 --> 0:41:23.759
<v Speaker 2>streams in astrophysics. You've got the observational astronomers who they're

0:41:24.239 --> 0:41:27.000
<v Speaker 2>using the telescopes to get data and then trying to

0:41:27.520 --> 0:41:28.600
<v Speaker 2>identify what they're.

0:41:28.440 --> 0:41:31.320
<v Speaker 1>Looking at, looking and discovering it.

0:41:31.520 --> 0:41:33.320
<v Speaker 2>And then you've got the kind of the theory and

0:41:33.360 --> 0:41:36.239
<v Speaker 2>computational astrophysicists, and so they're the ones who are kind

0:41:36.280 --> 0:41:39.479
<v Speaker 2>of they're coming up with theoretical predictions in my case,

0:41:39.600 --> 0:41:42.840
<v Speaker 2>modeling and computationally predicting things, and then that kind of

0:41:42.880 --> 0:41:46.200
<v Speaker 2>gets fed to the observational astronomers and then they'll be

0:41:46.239 --> 0:41:49.279
<v Speaker 2>looking to say, okay, this is what's being predicted. Can

0:41:49.360 --> 0:41:51.200
<v Speaker 2>we find something that kind of can verify this or not?

0:41:51.320 --> 0:41:53.160
<v Speaker 2>And so you've got this kind of synergy between those

0:41:53.200 --> 0:41:57.640
<v Speaker 2>two streams of astrophysicists that is so cool.

0:41:57.719 --> 0:42:00.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like the average lay person probably has not

0:42:00.440 --> 0:42:04.960
<v Speaker 1>ever heard that description before of like what astrophysicists are

0:42:05.080 --> 0:42:08.879
<v Speaker 1>actually doing, and then like how that could impact our

0:42:09.000 --> 0:42:11.680
<v Speaker 1>daily life, ie, we run out of space on Earth,

0:42:11.760 --> 0:42:13.720
<v Speaker 1>there may be is Earth two point zero, like someone

0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:16.279
<v Speaker 1>out there. And part of CZA that I get so

0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:21.239
<v Speaker 1>excited about is showing people that, Like one day, you're

0:42:21.360 --> 0:42:23.040
<v Speaker 1>like sitting in the shower and you're probably thinking, who

0:42:23.160 --> 0:42:25.240
<v Speaker 1>is the person who's going to find the other planet

0:42:25.480 --> 0:42:27.319
<v Speaker 1>that we're going to? You know, like that there are

0:42:27.400 --> 0:42:31.440
<v Speaker 1>people whose job is to answer the equations and make

0:42:31.480 --> 0:42:33.400
<v Speaker 1>the theories that figure out where we could live like

0:42:33.520 --> 0:42:35.040
<v Speaker 1>that kind of stuff. I don't think you think about

0:42:35.040 --> 0:42:36.440
<v Speaker 1>that on a day to day basis, but there's some

0:42:36.560 --> 0:42:38.640
<v Speaker 1>kid who might be listening who goes, I'm going to

0:42:38.640 --> 0:42:42.320
<v Speaker 1>be the person who answered that question. But I do

0:42:42.440 --> 0:42:45.160
<v Speaker 1>think a lot of people do do PhDs on extremely

0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:48.400
<v Speaker 1>specific theoretical questions and then don't really know what to

0:42:48.520 --> 0:42:52.239
<v Speaker 1>do with it afterwards in the workforce. And you have

0:42:52.360 --> 0:42:54.600
<v Speaker 1>not only then gone on to like write a book

0:42:54.680 --> 0:42:57.600
<v Speaker 1>and educate people about space, but then have also requalified

0:42:57.640 --> 0:42:59.520
<v Speaker 1>in like something completely different back on Earth.

0:43:00.400 --> 0:43:00.720
<v Speaker 2>AI.

0:43:01.760 --> 0:43:05.520
<v Speaker 1>So you've done a PhD in astrophysics you've moved away

0:43:05.560 --> 0:43:08.759
<v Speaker 1>from like the nuts and bolts and spools and flannels

0:43:09.040 --> 0:43:13.719
<v Speaker 1>of engineering and then written this book on space are

0:43:13.800 --> 0:43:16.160
<v Speaker 1>you working? Like, do you consider that as work as

0:43:16.160 --> 0:43:19.840
<v Speaker 1>an astrophysicist? And then why AI and going back to

0:43:19.880 --> 0:43:22.040
<v Speaker 1>do an entire master's on that and then a whole

0:43:22.080 --> 0:43:22.439
<v Speaker 1>new book.

0:43:22.680 --> 0:43:25.680
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, all right, this is another big question.

0:43:26.360 --> 0:43:27.000
<v Speaker 1>We haven't got it.

0:43:27.280 --> 0:43:28.879
<v Speaker 2>They're all kind of multi.

0:43:28.680 --> 0:43:30.560
<v Speaker 1>Part yeah, because I'm like, oh my god, how do

0:43:30.640 --> 0:43:31.360
<v Speaker 1>I get all it? Like?

0:43:31.400 --> 0:43:36.800
<v Speaker 2>And I still like Jesus Okay, So do I consider

0:43:36.840 --> 0:43:40.360
<v Speaker 2>it's I think in the purest sense, a scientist is

0:43:40.400 --> 0:43:44.520
<v Speaker 2>someone who's publishing with some level of frequency. You're writing papers,

0:43:44.520 --> 0:43:47.719
<v Speaker 2>you're writing papers, you're publishing in scientific journals. So during

0:43:47.760 --> 0:43:51.000
<v Speaker 2>my PhD, I was working as an astrophysicist. I was

0:43:51.040 --> 0:43:53.399
<v Speaker 2>publishing papers. I think by the end of my degree,

0:43:53.560 --> 0:43:55.600
<v Speaker 2>I think there was a bit of an overhang. I

0:43:55.680 --> 0:43:57.640
<v Speaker 2>had some papers in the work. So the last paper

0:43:57.680 --> 0:44:00.960
<v Speaker 2>I published was in twenty twenty and it wasn't a

0:44:01.000 --> 0:44:03.759
<v Speaker 2>first author. I was like fourth or fifth author or

0:44:03.800 --> 0:44:08.200
<v Speaker 2>something like that. So I ended up I think over

0:44:08.239 --> 0:44:11.400
<v Speaker 2>the whole court, I had about eight papers for first author.

0:44:11.800 --> 0:44:14.920
<v Speaker 2>That's quite Yeah, that's that's good. Typically for a PhD,

0:44:15.000 --> 0:44:16.960
<v Speaker 2>you need to have at least one first author. The

0:44:17.040 --> 0:44:19.960
<v Speaker 2>idea of PhD is you're adding new ideas to the

0:44:20.000 --> 0:44:24.480
<v Speaker 2>body of knowledge, and a paper's sort of evidence of that. Yeah,

0:44:24.719 --> 0:44:27.560
<v Speaker 2>you typically need at least one, but you know, three

0:44:27.640 --> 0:44:29.880
<v Speaker 2>or four is really great result. I was thrilled to

0:44:29.960 --> 0:44:32.120
<v Speaker 2>get four out of the door for that. So in

0:44:32.200 --> 0:44:36.640
<v Speaker 2>the purest sense, I'm not actively working as an astrophysicist

0:44:36.640 --> 0:44:39.919
<v Speaker 2>because I'm not actively researching and I'm not actively publishing. Okay,

0:44:40.000 --> 0:44:42.319
<v Speaker 2>I would say in the same way, though, I am

0:44:42.400 --> 0:44:44.760
<v Speaker 2>an astrophysicist in the same art. So I'm an engineer.

0:44:44.800 --> 0:44:47.880
<v Speaker 2>I've got the qualification, I've worked in the field. I

0:44:48.040 --> 0:44:50.560
<v Speaker 2>just would say I'm not actively working as an engineer

0:44:50.600 --> 0:44:51.480
<v Speaker 2>an astrophysicist.

0:44:51.640 --> 0:44:54.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, that was my question, Like what is working

0:44:54.440 --> 0:44:56.680
<v Speaker 1>as an astrophysicist? Is it a research role or are

0:44:56.719 --> 0:44:58.680
<v Speaker 1>you working for NASA? Like I think people don't actually

0:44:58.760 --> 0:45:03.000
<v Speaker 1>understand what you're doing, and I mean I imagine.

0:45:02.719 --> 0:45:04.160
<v Speaker 2>It the same as you you're still a lawyer.

0:45:04.440 --> 0:45:07.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm just lawyer. In Yeah, you're not actively.

0:45:07.320 --> 0:45:09.319
<v Speaker 2>Working and so I think, yeah, if if you've got

0:45:09.360 --> 0:45:11.279
<v Speaker 2>the credentials and you've worked in that space, and I

0:45:11.440 --> 0:45:15.120
<v Speaker 2>think you just lose that because you're no longer practicing. Yeah, totally,

0:45:15.440 --> 0:45:20.600
<v Speaker 2>it's just you're not practicing. So I think that's one definition,

0:45:20.719 --> 0:45:22.879
<v Speaker 2>probably the one I use or lean on the most

0:45:22.960 --> 0:45:24.719
<v Speaker 2>in terms of the book. So I think you've got

0:45:24.760 --> 0:45:26.840
<v Speaker 2>a few And I'm going to answer this because it

0:45:26.960 --> 0:45:29.040
<v Speaker 2>kind of ties in with what you're saying. Maybe people

0:45:29.040 --> 0:45:30.960
<v Speaker 2>aren't sure where you can go with a with a PhD.

0:45:31.600 --> 0:45:36.200
<v Speaker 2>You've got a few options, and there's three options and

0:45:36.320 --> 0:45:39.120
<v Speaker 2>I did two of them. One is going down the

0:45:39.200 --> 0:45:44.400
<v Speaker 2>full academic route, just becoming doing a post university continuing

0:45:44.520 --> 0:45:47.640
<v Speaker 2>down the research path. That's really really great. I love

0:45:47.719 --> 0:45:50.759
<v Speaker 2>the research. If I didn't end up doing what I

0:45:50.880 --> 0:45:55.279
<v Speaker 2>did in terms of, you know, moving into I guess

0:45:55.320 --> 0:45:57.319
<v Speaker 2>the public space a bit more and become a more

0:45:57.360 --> 0:46:00.480
<v Speaker 2>active science communicator, I think I probably would have pursued

0:46:00.760 --> 0:46:02.839
<v Speaker 2>at least a few more years of research going down

0:46:02.880 --> 0:46:05.600
<v Speaker 2>the post dot path because it is really research is

0:46:05.719 --> 0:46:11.799
<v Speaker 2>really fun because you're doing something you're really excited about. Yeah,

0:46:11.800 --> 0:46:12.120
<v Speaker 2>I love it.

0:46:12.239 --> 0:46:12.680
<v Speaker 1>I love it.

0:46:13.640 --> 0:46:16.920
<v Speaker 2>Research is fun. And I think you definitely don't even

0:46:17.040 --> 0:46:20.839
<v Speaker 2>know that is a career path when you're selecting your

0:46:21.040 --> 0:46:24.319
<v Speaker 2>degrees or when you're finishing high school, you don't even

0:46:24.320 --> 0:46:26.520
<v Speaker 2>know that's a thing you can do. So that's one

0:46:26.560 --> 0:46:28.120
<v Speaker 2>of the passing it down. The second one is going

0:46:28.160 --> 0:46:31.160
<v Speaker 2>into industry, which is what I did first. At the time,

0:46:31.640 --> 0:46:33.960
<v Speaker 2>data science was still I wouldn't say that was new,

0:46:34.040 --> 0:46:38.200
<v Speaker 2>but it was becoming more trendy and more common. The

0:46:38.320 --> 0:46:43.000
<v Speaker 2>degrees in data science were still quite new, so most firms,

0:46:43.520 --> 0:46:46.880
<v Speaker 2>data science consultancies or just places looking for data scientists.

0:46:47.719 --> 0:46:52.680
<v Speaker 2>We're looking for typically PhDs, like highly analytical PhDs that

0:46:52.800 --> 0:46:55.680
<v Speaker 2>they could then fill the gaps and unskill them as

0:46:55.719 --> 0:46:59.040
<v Speaker 2>a data scientist because the Bachelor of Data Science or

0:46:59.080 --> 0:47:01.839
<v Speaker 2>the Masters of Data Sciences weren't quite a mature degree yet.

0:47:01.840 --> 0:47:04.400
<v Speaker 2>That were still it was still gaining a bit of momentum.

0:47:05.120 --> 0:47:07.279
<v Speaker 2>So that was good for me because it meant, you know,

0:47:07.320 --> 0:47:09.360
<v Speaker 2>if I had have been competing with this cohort of

0:47:09.440 --> 0:47:12.040
<v Speaker 2>new data scientists coming out, I probably would have had

0:47:12.080 --> 0:47:16.480
<v Speaker 2>a real hard time getting a data science position. Fortunately

0:47:16.520 --> 0:47:19.239
<v Speaker 2>for me, timing wise, they were still quite new, so

0:47:19.280 --> 0:47:21.880
<v Speaker 2>they're like, yeah, we'll take the PhD, you know, the nerd.

0:47:22.440 --> 0:47:24.080
<v Speaker 1>The nerdy will take the nerd.

0:47:23.920 --> 0:47:25.840
<v Speaker 2>Who knows how to program and it's worked, you know,

0:47:25.920 --> 0:47:29.120
<v Speaker 2>with spools and flangs. Yeah, so that's the other one industry.

0:47:29.160 --> 0:47:30.920
<v Speaker 2>The third one is and that's kind of where I've

0:47:31.000 --> 0:47:33.080
<v Speaker 2>ended up now, which is going into science communication. And

0:47:33.160 --> 0:47:35.560
<v Speaker 2>so that's what I do now very actively through social

0:47:35.600 --> 0:47:39.880
<v Speaker 2>media but also through my books speaking all of that

0:47:40.000 --> 0:47:43.360
<v Speaker 2>fun stuff. And I love that and a lot of

0:47:43.400 --> 0:47:45.440
<v Speaker 2>my friends also have science communicators and they love it

0:47:45.480 --> 0:47:48.920
<v Speaker 2>as well. And it's definitely a different skill set, and

0:47:49.040 --> 0:47:52.440
<v Speaker 2>it's one like any skill or any muscle, you need

0:47:52.560 --> 0:47:55.759
<v Speaker 2>to train it. And I'm sure it's the same as

0:47:55.840 --> 0:47:59.880
<v Speaker 2>a MC and keynote speaker that you are. It's a

0:48:00.040 --> 0:48:02.600
<v Speaker 2>muscle that you've had to train over time. It's not

0:48:02.719 --> 0:48:04.560
<v Speaker 2>something you just suddenly can do. And I think a

0:48:04.560 --> 0:48:07.280
<v Speaker 2>lot of people see someone like yourself is really polished

0:48:07.280 --> 0:48:09.440
<v Speaker 2>at doing that, and they're like, oh, she's just really talented,

0:48:09.440 --> 0:48:12.600
<v Speaker 2>and it's like she's talented, but there's thousands of hours

0:48:12.760 --> 0:48:13.600
<v Speaker 2>high as well.

0:48:14.080 --> 0:48:16.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah look at the graph, Yeah, look at the graph.

0:48:16.239 --> 0:48:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Right, she didn't just wake up and suddenly became this

0:48:19.200 --> 0:48:22.759
<v Speaker 2>dominant kenot speaker an MC. Right, it's like anything, and

0:48:22.880 --> 0:48:26.040
<v Speaker 2>science communication is the same. To become quite effective at it,

0:48:26.600 --> 0:48:30.360
<v Speaker 2>you need to yeah, sing hundreds thousands of ours into it.

0:48:30.400 --> 0:48:34.360
<v Speaker 2>And I was doing that before The Bachelor. The Bachelor,

0:48:34.440 --> 0:48:38.040
<v Speaker 2>certainly it was an accelerant, and it's a bit of

0:48:38.080 --> 0:48:41.840
<v Speaker 2>the peanut butter as well for the dog medicine. But

0:48:41.960 --> 0:48:44.040
<v Speaker 2>I was before that. I was already starting to do

0:48:44.320 --> 0:48:46.359
<v Speaker 2>more of it. I was doing some radio interviews here

0:48:46.440 --> 0:48:48.600
<v Speaker 2>and there. I've done some public lectures. I've done a

0:48:48.680 --> 0:48:49.279
<v Speaker 2>fringe show.

0:48:50.840 --> 0:48:51.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:48:51.280 --> 0:48:54.120
<v Speaker 2>So, and I did some fringe shows after Bachelor as well,

0:48:54.160 --> 0:48:56.239
<v Speaker 2>but I'd done one before. So I was starting to

0:48:56.280 --> 0:49:02.200
<v Speaker 2>push into the science communication space and this accelerated tremendously.

0:49:02.440 --> 0:49:05.560
<v Speaker 1>Okay, that makes more sense now because in the dots

0:49:05.600 --> 0:49:09.440
<v Speaker 1>connecting thing, I was like, why be so passionate about astrophysics,

0:49:09.680 --> 0:49:11.600
<v Speaker 1>write a book about space, but then go back and

0:49:11.640 --> 0:49:15.040
<v Speaker 1>do another master's in AI to then have data scientists roles,

0:49:15.080 --> 0:49:17.759
<v Speaker 1>which seemed like this like unrelated pivot. But now I

0:49:17.800 --> 0:49:22.160
<v Speaker 1>can kind of see how connecting Yes, Yeah, like, oh,

0:49:22.239 --> 0:49:26.399
<v Speaker 1>it's like a transferable skill. That's like the logical logical jump.

0:49:26.440 --> 0:49:29.520
<v Speaker 1>Even though you've come like it's not necessarily space focused.

0:49:30.400 --> 0:49:33.719
<v Speaker 1>Now it's like and talking about science communication doing it

0:49:33.760 --> 0:49:35.560
<v Speaker 1>for children as well. So your latest book is a

0:49:35.719 --> 0:49:38.920
<v Speaker 1>children's book, which sounds easier, but I actually think distilling

0:49:39.719 --> 0:49:43.600
<v Speaker 1>complicated things into child friendly explanations is harder.

0:49:44.040 --> 0:49:46.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was actually just before we churned it out,

0:49:46.560 --> 0:49:48.040
<v Speaker 2>I thought, because it'd be remiss with me. Not so

0:49:48.040 --> 0:49:54.160
<v Speaker 2>at least because the biggest scandal I had was that

0:49:54.280 --> 0:49:56.640
<v Speaker 2>I worked at NAB. I don't know if you recall

0:49:56.800 --> 0:50:00.759
<v Speaker 2>this story. So I've never worked at NAB. I worked

0:50:00.800 --> 0:50:04.400
<v Speaker 2>at a data science consultancy called Quantium, and they have

0:50:04.600 --> 0:50:07.400
<v Speaker 2>a number of different departments. They've got like a health department,

0:50:07.440 --> 0:50:10.799
<v Speaker 2>They've got like an FMCG so fast moving consumer goods

0:50:11.040 --> 0:50:13.480
<v Speaker 2>were worse goals all that, and they had a banking

0:50:13.560 --> 0:50:15.840
<v Speaker 2>and finance department which I was in at. One of

0:50:15.880 --> 0:50:19.800
<v Speaker 2>their clients was NAB. And so as a consultant, you

0:50:20.320 --> 0:50:23.200
<v Speaker 2>often will they'll have to create a NAB account for

0:50:23.239 --> 0:50:26.600
<v Speaker 2>you because you need to access their systems. Oh my god,

0:50:27.320 --> 0:50:30.160
<v Speaker 2>someone I don't even know how it. I don't know

0:50:30.200 --> 0:50:32.239
<v Speaker 2>if Science saw that I had a NAB email and

0:50:32.280 --> 0:50:37.200
<v Speaker 2>they're like, oh, he's a banker. What And I remember

0:50:37.239 --> 0:50:39.200
<v Speaker 2>this thing coming up and I got an email from

0:50:39.280 --> 0:50:42.920
<v Speaker 2>someone at NAB and they're like, hey, someone, a media

0:50:42.960 --> 0:50:44.640
<v Speaker 2>person just called us and asked if you worked at

0:50:44.760 --> 0:50:48.120
<v Speaker 2>NAB and I'm like, well, I mean I work, you know,

0:50:48.200 --> 0:50:50.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't worry. What what do you mean? I'm like,

0:50:50.360 --> 0:50:51.480
<v Speaker 2>what do you want us to say? I'm like, well,

0:50:51.480 --> 0:50:54.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't care. Like I was like, this is just

0:50:54.280 --> 0:50:58.640
<v Speaker 2>a weird question. Are you a banker? Well? No, Anyway,

0:50:58.800 --> 0:51:00.600
<v Speaker 2>it became this big thing that like, oh, he's not

0:51:00.600 --> 0:51:03.319
<v Speaker 2>an astrophysically, he's a banker. And I was like, oh, well,

0:51:03.360 --> 0:51:05.759
<v Speaker 2>I mean as far as scandals go, this is pretty tame,

0:51:06.760 --> 0:51:09.880
<v Speaker 2>but also like my biggest I'm not until apparently I

0:51:09.960 --> 0:51:11.840
<v Speaker 2>didn't know this because I'm like working at the Quantum

0:51:11.920 --> 0:51:13.920
<v Speaker 2>office and I had, you know, some of the more

0:51:13.960 --> 0:51:15.640
<v Speaker 2>senior guys would have to go to the NAB building

0:51:15.719 --> 0:51:18.120
<v Speaker 2>regularly to talk to some of the senior execs there,

0:51:18.520 --> 0:51:19.680
<v Speaker 2>and I remember one of them came in and they

0:51:19.719 --> 0:51:23.080
<v Speaker 2>said that there's like several paps waiting there. I'm parently

0:51:23.200 --> 0:51:25.759
<v Speaker 2>hoping they could get a far off me. Yeah, trying

0:51:25.760 --> 0:51:27.680
<v Speaker 2>to They I guess wanted a photo me walking into

0:51:27.680 --> 0:51:28.920
<v Speaker 2>the NAB building or something.

0:51:29.080 --> 0:51:29.400
<v Speaker 1>Interest.

0:51:29.680 --> 0:51:31.880
<v Speaker 2>I was like, all right, this is the weird and

0:51:31.960 --> 0:51:33.960
<v Speaker 2>I was like, what is going on? And then I

0:51:34.000 --> 0:51:35.920
<v Speaker 2>had people like, oh, you work at NAB doing and

0:51:35.920 --> 0:51:38.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I've never worked at a bank in my life,

0:51:38.960 --> 0:51:42.200
<v Speaker 2>so it's such a big thing. I'm modeling. I'm doing

0:51:42.360 --> 0:51:47.000
<v Speaker 2>like predictive models on transaction data to try and build

0:51:47.000 --> 0:51:50.080
<v Speaker 2>out like approval processes for certain things. And it was

0:51:50.160 --> 0:51:52.200
<v Speaker 2>just anyway, it was really amusing to me because I

0:51:52.239 --> 0:51:53.720
<v Speaker 2>was like, this is the weirdest scandal.

0:51:53.880 --> 0:51:55.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I can't believe this is even a story.

0:51:55.920 --> 0:51:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I was like whatever, Anyway, I thought that

0:51:58.480 --> 0:52:00.600
<v Speaker 2>would be an amusing anecdote because it was something at

0:52:00.640 --> 0:52:02.680
<v Speaker 2>the time that was just like whole Matt, He's just

0:52:02.800 --> 0:52:04.839
<v Speaker 2>deceived everyone, and I'm like, well, I haven't. And also

0:52:05.000 --> 0:52:05.600
<v Speaker 2>and also why.

0:52:05.520 --> 0:52:08.440
<v Speaker 1>Would being a banker be like such a secret a

0:52:08.600 --> 0:52:09.200
<v Speaker 1>secret bag.

0:52:09.480 --> 0:52:11.360
<v Speaker 2>It's like why would that be seen? It's like is

0:52:11.440 --> 0:52:12.279
<v Speaker 2>that a bad thing?

0:52:12.960 --> 0:52:14.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean in some schools of.

0:52:14.239 --> 0:52:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Thought anyway, So I was quite using. Anyway, What was

0:52:20.000 --> 0:52:20.680
<v Speaker 2>your actual.

0:52:20.480 --> 0:52:25.360
<v Speaker 1>Question was this is problem the children? So why do

0:52:25.440 --> 0:52:27.960
<v Speaker 1>you go from I am talking about space in these

0:52:28.160 --> 0:52:32.800
<v Speaker 1>huge like science education black holes like big questions to

0:52:34.200 --> 0:52:36.920
<v Speaker 1>is my phone reading my mind? Yes? So for children?

0:52:37.040 --> 0:52:40.320
<v Speaker 2>Yes, big pivot, big pivot. So data science is essentially

0:52:40.400 --> 0:52:43.879
<v Speaker 2>applied artificial intelligence. So you're going through data and you're

0:52:44.000 --> 0:52:48.719
<v Speaker 2>using typically machine learning algorithms, which are the lifeblood of

0:52:48.840 --> 0:52:52.680
<v Speaker 2>artificial intelligence. Everything AI is powered by machine learning algorithms,

0:52:53.280 --> 0:52:57.960
<v Speaker 2>and you're applying them to different problems, usually with a

0:52:58.120 --> 0:53:01.320
<v Speaker 2>ton of data to off. And it can be to

0:53:01.400 --> 0:53:07.239
<v Speaker 2>make decisioning decisions or to inform decisions. Sometimes it can

0:53:07.280 --> 0:53:09.960
<v Speaker 2>be predictive modeling to try and predict certain things about

0:53:10.000 --> 0:53:13.799
<v Speaker 2>what's happening within certain spaces. Sometimes it can be really clever. Idea,

0:53:13.800 --> 0:53:15.320
<v Speaker 2>I was working on an algorithm that was trying to

0:53:15.400 --> 0:53:18.080
<v Speaker 2>discern how people were using a piece of software, what

0:53:18.200 --> 0:53:20.120
<v Speaker 2>they were actually doing with it, based on the actions

0:53:20.160 --> 0:53:23.320
<v Speaker 2>and behaviors they were doing, what is their use case?

0:53:23.840 --> 0:53:26.080
<v Speaker 2>So that was really cool. So data science is applied AI.

0:53:26.160 --> 0:53:30.640
<v Speaker 2>So I was already doing AI. But the more exotic

0:53:30.840 --> 0:53:36.560
<v Speaker 2>and exciting algorithms aren't really commonplace in enterprise. They're more

0:53:36.640 --> 0:53:40.080
<v Speaker 2>in research and big tech companies like your facebooks and

0:53:40.680 --> 0:53:43.239
<v Speaker 2>your Googles and stuff like that. And I really wanted

0:53:43.239 --> 0:53:45.320
<v Speaker 2>to learn more about the exotic algorithms.

0:53:45.360 --> 0:53:47.680
<v Speaker 1>Of course you did, so you were like, fuck it,

0:53:47.680 --> 0:53:48.840
<v Speaker 1>I'll do a fifth degree.

0:53:48.920 --> 0:53:50.839
<v Speaker 2>So I did. Yeah, So I went back and did

0:53:51.120 --> 0:53:54.719
<v Speaker 2>the AI degree and that was fantastic. Got to do

0:53:54.800 --> 0:53:57.319
<v Speaker 2>all the really cool stuff the neural networks, which are

0:53:57.360 --> 0:54:01.040
<v Speaker 2>the things they power a lot of, like image recognition

0:54:01.120 --> 0:54:05.080
<v Speaker 2>and computer vision generative or transformers, which are the.

0:54:06.760 --> 0:54:12.279
<v Speaker 1>Stop laughing, the transformers. I'm just translating for everyone in

0:54:12.400 --> 0:54:13.560
<v Speaker 1>other states of Australia.

0:54:13.680 --> 0:54:16.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the transformers which power that's what the T and

0:54:16.360 --> 0:54:20.440
<v Speaker 2>GBT stands for, is based on neural networks. So I

0:54:20.520 --> 0:54:22.880
<v Speaker 2>got to do some of them. Reinforcement learning, which is

0:54:22.920 --> 0:54:26.120
<v Speaker 2>again a training mechanism. If you remember Alpha Go. Alpha

0:54:26.160 --> 0:54:30.400
<v Speaker 2>Go was a AI they built to play the game Go,

0:54:30.920 --> 0:54:34.080
<v Speaker 2>which is I don't even know. I feel like it's

0:54:34.120 --> 0:54:37.319
<v Speaker 2>a Chinese game originally, and it's like something like you're

0:54:37.360 --> 0:54:40.840
<v Speaker 2>putting balls down and you like jump them, and I

0:54:40.920 --> 0:54:42.279
<v Speaker 2>can't remember how it works. It's a sort of like

0:54:42.400 --> 0:54:45.160
<v Speaker 2>chess kind of stuff. But they build an algorithm called

0:54:45.200 --> 0:54:49.360
<v Speaker 2>Alpha Go and they basically trained it using reinforcement learning,

0:54:49.400 --> 0:54:51.000
<v Speaker 2>and so they didn't teach it the rules of it.

0:54:51.440 --> 0:54:54.160
<v Speaker 2>They just had an algorithm that sort of rewarded what

0:54:54.320 --> 0:54:57.440
<v Speaker 2>it did based on like a few different kind of mechanisms,

0:54:57.880 --> 0:55:00.880
<v Speaker 2>and then got it to learn from existing games, but

0:55:00.960 --> 0:55:04.400
<v Speaker 2>also just playing like a billion games, and based on

0:55:04.480 --> 0:55:06.799
<v Speaker 2>what it did, it kind of got rewards to incentivize

0:55:06.840 --> 0:55:09.640
<v Speaker 2>it to do certain things. And so they trained this

0:55:09.920 --> 0:55:13.000
<v Speaker 2>algorithm from scratch without teaching it the game. It learnt

0:55:13.040 --> 0:55:16.640
<v Speaker 2>it itself, and it ended up and it now beats

0:55:16.719 --> 0:55:20.400
<v Speaker 2>humans the time. It just dominates. So that was a

0:55:20.440 --> 0:55:23.920
<v Speaker 2>really cool application because I think with sort of the

0:55:24.080 --> 0:55:28.200
<v Speaker 2>chess algorithms, they were trained on existing chess games, so

0:55:28.239 --> 0:55:30.600
<v Speaker 2>it was like, you know, he's a million games of

0:55:30.719 --> 0:55:34.000
<v Speaker 2>chess to try and teach it, whereas Alpha go was

0:55:34.320 --> 0:55:36.239
<v Speaker 2>we're not going to tell you the games, which is

0:55:36.239 --> 0:55:38.520
<v Speaker 2>going to get you to play it a trillion figure now,

0:55:39.000 --> 0:55:40.560
<v Speaker 2>and we're going to reward you when you do good

0:55:40.600 --> 0:55:42.320
<v Speaker 2>stuff and punish you when you do bad stuff. And

0:55:42.400 --> 0:55:44.680
<v Speaker 2>it just figured out and it started doing strategies that

0:55:44.760 --> 0:55:48.320
<v Speaker 2>humans hadn't done before because it could because that's the

0:55:49.040 --> 0:55:52.879
<v Speaker 2>humans over all the Alpha games ever might have played.

0:55:52.920 --> 0:55:55.520
<v Speaker 2>You know, I don't know a billion games. You know,

0:55:55.600 --> 0:55:58.600
<v Speaker 2>they made this algorithm play ten billion. Of course, if

0:55:58.600 --> 0:56:00.600
<v Speaker 2>you played ten times and many games might come up

0:56:00.600 --> 0:56:02.160
<v Speaker 2>with a strategy that you wouldn't have come up with

0:56:02.239 --> 0:56:04.880
<v Speaker 2>in the first billion games. So I had these strategies

0:56:04.880 --> 0:56:06.800
<v Speaker 2>that developed. They were like, no humans figured out that

0:56:06.840 --> 0:56:09.359
<v Speaker 2>strategy yet, and so it was just a really cool

0:56:09.600 --> 0:56:12.560
<v Speaker 2>demonstration of reinforcement learning. So that's why I went back

0:56:12.600 --> 0:56:16.200
<v Speaker 2>to do the Masters, because I liked doing applied AI

0:56:16.719 --> 0:56:19.560
<v Speaker 2>in industry, but I wanted to know more about the

0:56:19.719 --> 0:56:25.960
<v Speaker 2>really exotic, powerful, interesting algorithms that aren't commonplace in industry yet. Yeah,

0:56:26.360 --> 0:56:29.279
<v Speaker 2>so that was the motivation. In terms of the book. Yeah,

0:56:29.280 --> 0:56:31.239
<v Speaker 2>I agree with you. Writing for a younger age group

0:56:31.440 --> 0:56:35.759
<v Speaker 2>is more challenging. You're limited by number of words as well.

0:56:36.320 --> 0:56:38.560
<v Speaker 2>I think the upper limit at the time when I

0:56:38.640 --> 0:56:41.000
<v Speaker 2>first started that children's book, I think it was only

0:56:41.120 --> 0:56:43.160
<v Speaker 2>like twelve thousand words.

0:56:43.200 --> 0:56:45.719
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god to even discuss AI at all.

0:56:46.200 --> 0:56:49.000
<v Speaker 2>But I went well over that. I think I landed

0:56:49.040 --> 0:56:50.640
<v Speaker 2>on about seventeen or eighteen thousand.

0:56:51.000 --> 0:56:53.880
<v Speaker 1>I remember episodes. Amount of words, yeah.

0:56:53.960 --> 0:56:56.480
<v Speaker 2>And I remember telling the past. Look, I can trim

0:56:56.560 --> 0:56:58.440
<v Speaker 2>it down, but I think I'm going to and I

0:56:58.680 --> 0:57:00.960
<v Speaker 2>tried done a really hard acts cunt. I'm like, this

0:57:01.040 --> 0:57:04.440
<v Speaker 2>one's like fourteen thousand, and I'm like it's missing, it's

0:57:04.520 --> 0:57:06.680
<v Speaker 2>losing a lot of stuff, and they're like, nah, if

0:57:06.719 --> 0:57:08.600
<v Speaker 2>you reckon the seventeen k is the one. Let's do that.

0:57:08.719 --> 0:57:11.440
<v Speaker 2>Then they've been a wonderful publisher, Alan and ant One,

0:57:11.680 --> 0:57:14.000
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, it was really challenging keeping the word limit

0:57:14.120 --> 0:57:18.360
<v Speaker 2>down and then also to your point, using easily accessible

0:57:18.440 --> 0:57:25.040
<v Speaker 2>words and explaining complex concepts and often abstract concepts in

0:57:25.160 --> 0:57:28.720
<v Speaker 2>a way that's engaging and accessible for a younger age group,

0:57:28.760 --> 0:57:34.440
<v Speaker 2>but also not so childlike that adults won't enjoy it. Yeah,

0:57:34.480 --> 0:57:37.880
<v Speaker 2>because I'd still wanted it's targeted for eight to twelve

0:57:37.920 --> 0:57:40.200
<v Speaker 2>year olds, but I wanted people, you know, high schoolers

0:57:40.280 --> 0:57:41.840
<v Speaker 2>or adults to also be able to pick it up

0:57:41.880 --> 0:57:42.760
<v Speaker 2>and enjoy reading it.

0:57:43.400 --> 0:57:47.560
<v Speaker 1>And my dad loves it, and he's's so sweet and.

0:57:47.680 --> 0:57:51.400
<v Speaker 2>He used to work as a CEO in WA and

0:57:51.600 --> 0:57:54.360
<v Speaker 2>he obviously through his work there met a lot of

0:57:54.440 --> 0:57:58.200
<v Speaker 2>other C suite execs and he buys loads of my

0:57:58.240 --> 0:58:02.600
<v Speaker 2>book and gives them copies. Say, you know this is

0:58:02.840 --> 0:58:04.720
<v Speaker 2>it's a short book because you can it's a target

0:58:04.720 --> 0:58:06.760
<v Speaker 2>a young age. You can build out a couple of hours.

0:58:07.200 --> 0:58:09.440
<v Speaker 2>I have some fundamental understanding artificial intelligence.

0:58:09.480 --> 0:58:10.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

0:58:10.400 --> 0:58:12.960
<v Speaker 2>So it was a challenge, but I really loved it

0:58:13.080 --> 0:58:16.560
<v Speaker 2>because it's ended up as a book that children can enjoy,

0:58:16.920 --> 0:58:19.680
<v Speaker 2>but the amount of adults and in particular parents who

0:58:19.720 --> 0:58:21.760
<v Speaker 2>have told me that they've really enjoyed it and found

0:58:21.760 --> 0:58:24.640
<v Speaker 2>it really handy because yeah, they can read it quickly

0:58:24.640 --> 0:58:28.200
<v Speaker 2>and now they feel more empowered around AI. I'm really

0:58:28.240 --> 0:58:28.720
<v Speaker 2>happy with it.

0:58:30.400 --> 0:58:31.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad with that we had a chance to

0:58:31.880 --> 0:58:33.320
<v Speaker 1>talk more about it, because I feel like we didn't

0:58:33.320 --> 0:58:36.439
<v Speaker 1>have time last time, and it is like I think.

0:58:36.960 --> 0:58:38.640
<v Speaker 1>One of the things I love on this show is

0:58:38.720 --> 0:58:42.440
<v Speaker 1>how random people's careers can end up being, and how

0:58:42.520 --> 0:58:44.640
<v Speaker 1>you can we're all multi passionate. Not many people wake

0:58:44.720 --> 0:58:45.760
<v Speaker 1>up and go, I want to be a doctor. I'm

0:58:45.760 --> 0:58:47.960
<v Speaker 1>going to just do medicine. Even doctors are like, which

0:58:48.040 --> 0:58:49.640
<v Speaker 1>kind of medicine? What kind of direction do you want

0:58:49.680 --> 0:58:51.280
<v Speaker 1>to go? Do you want to go private practice hospitals?

0:58:51.320 --> 0:58:53.720
<v Speaker 1>Like what part of the body? I think we yeah, again,

0:58:53.800 --> 0:58:56.920
<v Speaker 1>go back to that like siloing of the simplicity of categorization,

0:58:58.000 --> 0:59:00.120
<v Speaker 1>but and think our scientist has to look like this.

0:59:00.240 --> 0:59:02.680
<v Speaker 1>But you've done books, You've done adult books, children's books,

0:59:02.720 --> 0:59:05.680
<v Speaker 1>space AI And then on top of that, like to

0:59:05.880 --> 0:59:09.480
<v Speaker 1>full circle back to the beginning. The question about dating

0:59:09.800 --> 0:59:13.360
<v Speaker 1>post quitting alcohol and whether that was easy or hard

0:59:13.520 --> 0:59:17.600
<v Speaker 1>or socializing post alcohol solved the problem of the non

0:59:17.680 --> 0:59:21.640
<v Speaker 1>OLC landscape being like pretty poor. When we both first

0:59:21.680 --> 0:59:24.800
<v Speaker 1>stopped drinking alcohol, you decided, look, I've done five degrees,

0:59:25.000 --> 0:59:28.680
<v Speaker 1>I've got two books, I understand a business. Yeah, so

0:59:28.880 --> 0:59:32.600
<v Speaker 1>you are now a founder and ceosh.

0:59:32.760 --> 0:59:34.800
<v Speaker 2>I still feel like a wanker putting founder.

0:59:34.520 --> 0:59:38.520
<v Speaker 1>In my type, but like talk about multi passionate and

0:59:38.680 --> 0:59:44.240
<v Speaker 1>like multifaceted careers that all have they all it's like

0:59:44.320 --> 0:59:45.800
<v Speaker 1>cohesive in its own weird way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, thank you. So, yeah, it was I stopped

0:59:48.800 --> 0:59:51.840
<v Speaker 2>drinking at start at twenty twenty, which, yeah, obviously we

0:59:51.960 --> 0:59:54.560
<v Speaker 2>met after that period, so we were both obviously teattlers,

0:59:55.040 --> 0:59:58.000
<v Speaker 2>and yeah, we touched on it before we started recording this,

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<v Speaker 2>But obviously during the era when you stopp drink it

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<v Speaker 2>was even harder twenty like mid twenty tens is zero. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Beryl was your option.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I was just like lemonon bitters, lemon age.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was it. Sparkling Water twenty twenty. It was

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<v Speaker 2>getting better. I think there was starting to have some more.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Kalan zero and Heineken zero was starting to

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<v Speaker 2>ramp up in quantity, and you started seeing some of

1:00:22.080 --> 1:00:24.880
<v Speaker 2>the craft beers were coming through. So your heaps normal

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<v Speaker 2>you're sober, not things like that. So they suddenly was

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<v Speaker 2>some some more options and socializing and dating post giving

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<v Speaker 2>up alcohol. Socializing was very hard initially.

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<v Speaker 1>It's such a crutch.

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<v Speaker 2>For such a crutch, you go through this period of

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<v Speaker 2>without alcohol, Am I boring?

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<v Speaker 1>What is my personality? It's fun?

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, exactly, And you've got this idea that yeah

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<v Speaker 2>you've if you've used it so frequently when you're socializing,

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<v Speaker 2>you're how people actually want to talk to me if

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not not drinking. I mean, it doesn't take you

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<v Speaker 2>long to realize, well, yeah, actually they're talking to you,

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<v Speaker 2>They're not like talking to the alcohol.

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<v Speaker 1>Well sometimes, but that's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I love you mate, Yes, but yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>think initially, and I imagine it was probably similar for yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>You kind of for the first six months, I reckon

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<v Speaker 2>I needed an excuse. I need I'm doing fair Fast

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<v Speaker 2>and doing drudge. Youly, oh really enjoyed drudge a life.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing dry August, so training for something, just having

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<v Speaker 2>an excuse. And I tell people all the time that

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<v Speaker 2>you know, that's initially, that's that's that's fine if that's

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<v Speaker 2>what you need initially, because it is really hard when

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<v Speaker 2>you first stop drinking to have the commonness to tell

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<v Speaker 2>people you're not drinking. And so initially, if you need

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<v Speaker 2>to just roll out an excuse, then then do that

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<v Speaker 2>until you feel comfortable and confident in saying it. I

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<v Speaker 2>also joke a lot. It's the only substance you need

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<v Speaker 2>to justify why you're not doing it. Isn't so interesting

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<v Speaker 2>no one else you know, you don't rock up to

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<v Speaker 2>a party and nine's going, oh, not doing heroin? To

1:02:02.200 --> 1:02:03.360
<v Speaker 2>do you have to You've got to get up and

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow right, yeah, no ketamine?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you're driving okay, fair, fair fad.

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<v Speaker 3>Otherwise like yeah, it's like otherwise people are like, they're like,

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<v Speaker 3>why are you not drinking this poison? What is it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you could to get up here tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's not heroin day to day maybe later. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's this bizarre substance that for some reason you

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<v Speaker 2>need to justify while you're not doing it. And so yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>initially it took me a while to get there. Eventually

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<v Speaker 2>I got to the place where I was very confident

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<v Speaker 2>and also much more comfortable about my own mental illness

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<v Speaker 2>as well, so I could tell people, yeah, I don't drink,

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<v Speaker 2>and if they pride. I could say I don't drink

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<v Speaker 2>because I have mental illness and it shouldn't take a

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<v Speaker 2>sign as to you know, add a depressant to depression

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<v Speaker 2>and go.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that graph is is. Yeah, it's I'm really laboring

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<v Speaker 1>the graft and get off your case. Really really just

1:03:08.520 --> 1:03:10.760
<v Speaker 1>laying it on you. I'm sorry, it's just too funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a part.

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<v Speaker 1>Why is it not called park?

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<v Speaker 2>Don't it?

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<v Speaker 1>Why is it not called park?

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<v Speaker 2>The rest of this episode?

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<v Speaker 1>Please do consistent.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, so I'm very comfortable being able to say, look,

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<v Speaker 2>I've got mental illness, and it just ruins that. Even further,

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<v Speaker 2>it shouldn't have taken me that long to figure out

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<v Speaker 2>how bad this was to my existing mental illness illnesses.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it took me a while initially to get

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<v Speaker 2>to that place of being comfortable saying that socializing. Now

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's easy, especially because I guess I've been quite

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<v Speaker 2>public about the fact I don't drink and I've got

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<v Speaker 2>mental illness. It's you know, everyone kind of already is

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<v Speaker 2>aware of that. I have been at times where people

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<v Speaker 2>buy like around the kill, and I go, I don't drink.

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<v Speaker 2>I just saw you're drinking a beer I'm like, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a calm zero. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, get with the program. It's twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 2>They think like I'm trying to get out of a shot.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, mate, I have done a shot for you know, five.

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<v Speaker 1>Years, maybe when I was having mob child. When I

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<v Speaker 1>was pregnant, people would you med a side I I'm like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it's pre juice, calm down.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a friend who when she was pregnant, I

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<v Speaker 2>would rock up to a picnic and I'm but I've

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<v Speaker 2>got some heidaken zeros if you want one. This is

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<v Speaker 2>before parsh obviously, it's past now obviously, but that some

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<v Speaker 2>heindn zeros goes No, I can't because like people just look,

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<v Speaker 2>they can't see that it's a zero. Can You're just

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<v Speaker 2>like smashing a bu well pregnant And I was like okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>fair enough.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, well if you want to, they're there to

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<v Speaker 1>the party, I understand.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it's funny. There's that kind of extra level

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<v Speaker 2>or extra thing that women have to face when not

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<v Speaker 2>drinking as well. But yeah, so and and dating again,

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<v Speaker 2>the same thing I had with am I interesting. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, what if I rock up and it's like, gee,

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<v Speaker 2>this guy's a dud.

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<v Speaker 1>This yes, boring on the flipping. So, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>He ordered a green tea with his spaghetti.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, man, this guy he was all right. And then

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<v Speaker 2>he just like had a pub whole spaghetti and the

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<v Speaker 2>green tea. He poured the green tea in the spaghetti

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<v Speaker 2>like he.

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<v Speaker 1>Just got really weird, freaking psycho.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't have a date. One's actually with a woman

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<v Speaker 2>who she picked the venue. It was like a rooftop bar.

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<v Speaker 2>We got there. I was like, I'm going to grab

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<v Speaker 2>a beer and you can I get you a drink,

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<v Speaker 2>which is back when I was still drinking. He goes, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you're just a glass of warm water like a tea

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<v Speaker 2>and just no, just warm water.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is actually do you know better for your inside?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, I do not know that. So I went

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<v Speaker 2>to the bar and I was like, oh, yeah, just

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<v Speaker 2>a pint of can't remember. And I go, look, this

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<v Speaker 2>is gonna be a bit of an odd order. But

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<v Speaker 2>and he goes, now I've heard them all before. I go, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>just a glass of warm water. He goes. He goes like,

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<v Speaker 2>like tap water. I think, so, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>So and he never went back to the team again.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was a nice date, but yeah, it was

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<v Speaker 2>just that was a yeah, so that was not green

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<v Speaker 2>tea but close spaghetty. But yeah, I think initially the

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<v Speaker 2>same thing the dates, and especially I think it's very

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<v Speaker 2>commonplace for people you're a bit nervous for a day,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe you have a settler. Yeah, and so not having

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<v Speaker 2>that as well, now I'm so comfortable with who I

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<v Speaker 2>am and with might not drink that I rock up

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<v Speaker 2>and it's completely fine, and it's you know, you remember,

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<v Speaker 2>and everyone I know who stops drinking goes through a

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<v Speaker 2>similar phase and then they're like, oh yeah, no, you

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<v Speaker 2>kind of rediscover yourself a bit in that. Oh yeah

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<v Speaker 2>that the alcohol wasn't my personality, Like my personality was

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<v Speaker 2>my personality? Yeah yeah, yeah, kind of had started relying

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<v Speaker 2>on this thing to draw that out, where ITAs reality,

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<v Speaker 2>you can draw it out whenever you like.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so true.

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<v Speaker 2>You just kind of forget a little bit if you've,

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<v Speaker 2>if you've relied on alcohol a bit for it. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>dating now is fine. I get some really sweet things

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<v Speaker 2>that whether you know, we'll be able to at a

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<v Speaker 2>bar and the lady will ask is okay if I

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<v Speaker 2>have a dream? Yeah, of course, I'm like, it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a gremlin, la. I mean, but it's sweet

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<v Speaker 2>because that is a thing for some people where it

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<v Speaker 2>can be a triggering thing. Typically they will avoid a

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<v Speaker 2>bar altogether. So by virtue of the fact that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>organizing dates at bars, they can feel relaxed, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's a really sweet thing to.

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<v Speaker 2>Ask, because depending on someone's relationship, that can be just

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<v Speaker 2>by having a drink in front of someone can be

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<v Speaker 2>really challenging. So I'm lucky that that's not the case

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<v Speaker 2>for me. So yeah, I always say, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't drink, but if you want to go for it,

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<v Speaker 2>there's yeah, just drink whatever you want. Like, I literally

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<v Speaker 2>don't care. I love they've got stunkered on the day. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we're probably not compatible.

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<v Speaker 1>Social calendar activity, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So yeah, I was getting up tomorrow morning for.

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<v Speaker 1>A run, but they're on the way then.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I think I think, you know, no one's

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<v Speaker 2>doing that really, So sorry. As dating goes, I'm so

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<v Speaker 2>comfortable with myself and yeah, with whoever I want to

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<v Speaker 2>date with, I'm like, yeah, if you want to drink, drink.

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<v Speaker 2>If you don't want to drink, don't drink like whatever

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<v Speaker 2>you feel comfortable doing.

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<v Speaker 1>She's your an adventure.

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<v Speaker 2>Choose your own adventure.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I love that your adventure that you choose is

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<v Speaker 1>always like one hundred and fifty million out of ten.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I'm going to quit drinking, so I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>start a business. And it's like I'm going to be

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<v Speaker 1>interested in AI. I'm going to do another masters. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like you just don't do anything like in a chill,

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<v Speaker 1>lazy way. You're just like, I'm going to take it

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<v Speaker 1>like to the max that I can. It's a very

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<v Speaker 1>high achiever trade, which I like is like full dedication.

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<v Speaker 1>So you've started your own alcoholic this is very pot kettle.

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<v Speaker 2>Well make my own brand though, but you didn't, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>hang on, but your green tea brand. Yeah, you're the one.

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<v Speaker 2>This is true. You know it was he called me like, mate,

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<v Speaker 2>she just got the pastor and green tea out and

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<v Speaker 2>started the business.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so true. Oh my god, take a long, hard

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<v Speaker 1>look in the mirror.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, he started started pash with a mate or

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of mates and the friend that I did

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<v Speaker 2>it with. We'd bounced around startup ideas for years. I

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<v Speaker 2>had one that I actually got to an m v

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<v Speaker 2>P minimum viable product. For those who aren't familiar with

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<v Speaker 2>the term, it was an app called Socrates Way. It

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<v Speaker 2>was built the website and the web app and the

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<v Speaker 2>iPhone app, and it was basically it was like a

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<v Speaker 2>marketplace for high school tutors. So your your parent, your

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<v Speaker 2>child needs help for maths. You pull up this app,

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<v Speaker 2>you type in your postcode, Maths comes up with a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of people. There's a review system, there's a booking system,

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<v Speaker 2>all of that. Jazz got it to an MVP stage

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<v Speaker 2>and then got really busy with my PhD, dropped it

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<v Speaker 2>and never picked it up again. So we'd bounced around that,

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<v Speaker 2>We bounced around a ton over the same person. And

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<v Speaker 2>then eventually he it was about two years, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>all a year and a half into my sobriety that

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<v Speaker 2>he goes, would you, you know, would your fancy doing

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of a we try a non olk startup.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, well, yeah, you know, I've wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to try a start up for a long time, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is something that I'm authentically involved in and really

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<v Speaker 2>passionate about. And so away we went and built it

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<v Speaker 2>for probably twelve or eighteen months till we finally got

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<v Speaker 2>to launch, and then now we've been trading for kind

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<v Speaker 2>of coming up eighteen months at the end of the job.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's yeah, it's been a it's been a really

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<v Speaker 2>steep learning curve and having learning curve, and it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>been really it was. It was a hard decision when

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<v Speaker 2>I finally quit the nine to five, and one of

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<v Speaker 2>the things I think that helped me make the decision was,

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<v Speaker 2>even if this doesn't work out, the skills and professional

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<v Speaker 2>development I'll have over the period of running a business

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<v Speaker 2>will probably outweigh the professional development from just doing data

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<v Speaker 2>science for the same period of time. I can kind

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<v Speaker 2>of always jump back into data science the skill set

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<v Speaker 2>that I've developed from running a business and not having

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<v Speaker 2>kind of really you know, been involved in the bus.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't do economics or commerce at UNI. I was

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<v Speaker 2>missing a lot of that skill set and so this

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<v Speaker 2>was a way for me to kind of fill those gaps.

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<v Speaker 1>I love you're trying to just be the ultimate human

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<v Speaker 1>with skills in like every single.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I want to, like, you know, they're like it's

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<v Speaker 2>like one are your Degrees're like, well, I'm a doctor,

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<v Speaker 2>like a physician doctor, but then also a PhD. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I also did an expedition in Antarctica for eight eight

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<v Speaker 2>months and oh yeah what Else're like, Oh, I got

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<v Speaker 2>ten thousand hours flying a chop and I'm like, yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so yeah, cheers. I made a non aarcoholic beer, which

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<v Speaker 2>is pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's pretty great.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just unfortunately it's not like in the application process

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<v Speaker 2>to like, how many beverages have you invented?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you don't know, look on the website and see

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<v Speaker 1>if the criteria that's listed on the website is not

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<v Speaker 1>the criteria that you need.

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<v Speaker 2>Put the pressure on the Swedes, get them.

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<v Speaker 1>To write the website.

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<v Speaker 2>So no, and look, I marginally joke there, but I

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<v Speaker 2>do genuinely want to have an I applied to be

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<v Speaker 2>an astronaut a couple of years back when European Space

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<v Speaker 2>Agency opened its application.

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<v Speaker 1>Really so you and Catherine you did mention this, were

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<v Speaker 1>in the same ination application, coh.

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<v Speaker 2>So, between the two of us we passed six out

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<v Speaker 2>of seven rounds. Yes, six out of six were hers.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's not get into that. Let's get into the

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<v Speaker 2>data there average.

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<v Speaker 1>As a cohort.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I applied. There was I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>about twenty seven thousand applicants in the process, and the

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<v Speaker 2>first cut is ninety percent get cut. So I got

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<v Speaker 2>cut then. But they usually open their doors every ten

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<v Speaker 2>or eleven years, but I think they're trying to ramp

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<v Speaker 2>it back up, so it might be as short as

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<v Speaker 2>six to eight.

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<v Speaker 1>So you do want to get to spac I want

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<v Speaker 1>to have another crack.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I've got you know, between that, I've got

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<v Speaker 2>another kind of six years. So what are the skills

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<v Speaker 2>I need to try and develop from here until then

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<v Speaker 2>to make for a more compelling applicant.

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<v Speaker 1>I love how logical you are about, like I want

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<v Speaker 1>to get from A to B? What in my part chart?

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<v Speaker 1>Am I missing from A to B? And you're the same.

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<v Speaker 1>With dating, You're the same with upskilling, you're the same.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's really interesting. It's like such a logical way

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<v Speaker 1>to look at it, because most people go, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to go from A to B and instra gratuity and like,

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<v Speaker 1>I just what's the quickest way I can get there?

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<v Speaker 1>And you're like, no, what am I missing? It's such

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<v Speaker 1>a d driven way to look at it. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>also like I just had an interview this morning where

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<v Speaker 1>the question that you said is like, what was the

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<v Speaker 1>worst case scenario? You go back to what you're doing before.

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<v Speaker 1>And the thing I always try and like remind people

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<v Speaker 1>when they have a big goal, especially one that seems impossible,

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<v Speaker 1>like space A. Someone has to go. So someone is

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<v Speaker 1>going to go the data is someone will why not you?

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<v Speaker 1>And b the time is going to pass anyway. So

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<v Speaker 1>when you said I'm going to be a data scientist

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll learn X, or I'm going to get you know,

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<v Speaker 1>do a business and I'll learn why, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>million times X, It's like you're going to spend eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>months either way, you might as well spend eighteen months

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<v Speaker 1>learning the stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I say this exact thing. Oh my god, people are like, ah,

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<v Speaker 2>should I You know, I'm thinking of going back to

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<v Speaker 2>do medicine. But you know, by the time I finished,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be thirty six. I'm like, you can six anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. Right, Like you turn thirty six and

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<v Speaker 2>you've got a degree or you don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, yeah, either you turn thirty six with the medical

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<v Speaker 1>degree or you turn thirty six without it, doing exactly

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing as you're doing a twenty.

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<v Speaker 3>Six Yeah, Oh my god, it's like you did an

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<v Speaker 3>agree and it's like, oh, well, you just delete it

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<v Speaker 3>four years.

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<v Speaker 2>You're forty now wake you skipped on. That's not how

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<v Speaker 2>it works. The time is the time goes right, it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to You're gonna eventually get there. So there's something

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<v Speaker 2>you want to do, just just do it, like why not?

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<v Speaker 2>And even if you start it and you decide actually

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't for me, Like, that's still the like the

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<v Speaker 2>period when you stop, you're still going to get there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know, the time keeps going correct, just continuous

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<v Speaker 1>to continuum science. We've solved We've solved the universe.

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<v Speaker 2>We've solved life, which I thought we were based on

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<v Speaker 2>our tangents. I thought we would solve life.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought we had solved life. Turns out we hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>there And I also have realized it is you are

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<v Speaker 1>so multifaceted. It is impossible even as a two parter,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I feel like we need a ten part for

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<v Speaker 1>all the changes that we need. But I've already run

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<v Speaker 1>us over time and solving life is a really great

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<v Speaker 1>place y place. But I'm so glad that we got

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<v Speaker 1>to visit some of the other facets of what you're

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<v Speaker 1>doing and the fact that you do want to get

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<v Speaker 1>to space because in six to eight years we'll do

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<v Speaker 1>the anniversary episode, and I think the time will have

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<v Speaker 1>passed anyway, so we'll be fascinating to hear what you

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<v Speaker 1>have done in that pie chart. And like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>worst case scenario is you've tried to position yourself for

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<v Speaker 1>the next astronaut intake, you don't make it. You've got

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<v Speaker 1>all these extra skills. It's not a waste, that's it.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of the ones I want to start doing

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<v Speaker 2>is getting some pilot time chopper or plane. But that's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't get into the national programs. I

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<v Speaker 2>got to learn how to fly a plane creationally.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I can drink and drive because pash not

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<v Speaker 1>exactly exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you know, get up in the plane, crack

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<v Speaker 2>at tinny like you can't do it. Actually on the

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<v Speaker 2>way I can. On the way here. I was walking

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<v Speaker 2>in with this and a guy goes a bit early

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<v Speaker 2>for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, no, it's never too early for a part, never too.

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<v Speaker 2>Early for a past, never too early for a past.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it's a great. It's Actually we we won

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<v Speaker 2>as you did. We were in the World Beer Awards

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<v Speaker 2>and we won Best Non Alcoholic beer in Australia that

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<v Speaker 2>is insane. That some of the some of the big incumbents,

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<v Speaker 2>that is amazing. So if you want to taste the

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<v Speaker 2>best non alcoholic beer in Australia as determined by the

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<v Speaker 2>World Beer.

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<v Speaker 1>Awards, drink and also look out for Pash on Short Tank. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if the episode will have come out

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<v Speaker 1>by the time this does. Maybe not.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, actually it sure depends. Yeah, you may have

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<v Speaker 2>already seen me. You may you may not have.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have not tune in.

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<v Speaker 2>Shark Tank next chapter, the next chapter. Yes, you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to Marthew Argue.

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<v Speaker 1>Your name is spelled correctly to be Terrances, but unfortunately

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<v Speaker 1>it's not.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why they the folks wrote it down the light Terrans.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thanks for an amata, Thank you for joining me,

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, thank you well. As I said again, we

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<v Speaker 1>could have gone so much further into all of these

1:18:21.360 --> 1:18:23.760
<v Speaker 1>topics and many others, but I'm so glad that we

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<v Speaker 1>at least came back for part two, and I hope

1:18:26.760 --> 1:18:29.680
<v Speaker 1>that you guys enjoyed listening. All the links are in

1:18:29.800 --> 1:18:33.080
<v Speaker 1>the show notes to his books to Pash to the

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<v Speaker 1>other episodes that we mentioned in part one, where you

1:18:35.920 --> 1:18:38.120
<v Speaker 1>can hear more about the behind the scenes from The

1:18:38.160 --> 1:18:40.800
<v Speaker 1>Bachelor if that's what you're interested in, or much more

1:18:40.880 --> 1:18:43.920
<v Speaker 1>detail about his mental health journey on Jess Rose podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>And please, as always, do share the episode on socials

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<v Speaker 1>do it now and take a screenshot and share it,

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<v Speaker 1>tagging and doctor Matt Agnew to thank him for his time,

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<v Speaker 1>generous vulnerability, and also just to let him know what

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<v Speaker 1>you thought if there was anything that really resonated. I

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<v Speaker 1>cannot believe we are in November already. Gosh, time is flying. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I am back to saying that every single episode, but truly,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's just speeding up at such a rapid rate.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, I should have asked the astrophysicists about that

1:19:10.640 --> 1:19:14.160
<v Speaker 1>the whole time space continuum thing, but it really does

1:19:14.240 --> 1:19:17.200
<v Speaker 1>seem to just be escalating. I hope that you guys

1:19:17.400 --> 1:19:19.960
<v Speaker 1>are enjoying having some yeay a little bit more regularly

1:19:20.040 --> 1:19:22.360
<v Speaker 1>in your ears, and as always, please do let me

1:19:22.400 --> 1:19:25.000
<v Speaker 1>know if you have any feedback, suggestions, or requests. We

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<v Speaker 1>will take a short break over Christmas, but then we'll

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<v Speaker 1>be back at this much more regular cadence next year

1:19:29.840 --> 1:19:34.040
<v Speaker 1>and have some incredible other guests either already recorded or

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<v Speaker 1>in the pipeline. It's going to be such a big

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty five. It just is so lovely to be back.

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<v Speaker 1>But in the meantime, I hope you guys are having

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<v Speaker 1>a wonderful week and are seizing your yay assass