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Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mea podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hey Quickie friends, Taylor popping into your feed this weekend

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Speaker 2: to share with you a new podcast we've been cooking.

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Speaker 1: Up here at Mama Mea. Allow me to introduce you

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Speaker 1: to Pivot Club.

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Speaker 2: It's hosted by Sarah Davidson, where she sits down with

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Speaker 2: people who've spent years building their lives and then one

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Speaker 1: Think people who looked.

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Speaker 2: At the path they were on and said, actually, this

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Speaker 2: isn't for me anymore. So this episode you're about to

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Speaker 2: hear it features Tim Abbot, who, like many of us,

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Speaker 2: was fed up with the cost of living, which led

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Speaker 2: him to a pretty interesting career and life pivot. I

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Speaker 2: won't give too much away, but his story does involve

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Speaker 2: this episode of Pivot Club with Tim Abbott, and if

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Speaker 2: show notes so you can catch up on the rest

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Speaker 2: of this season. Have you listening and Clarea and I

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Speaker 2: will be back with your Monday episode of The Quickie,

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Speaker 2: including the news headlines from six o'clock tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: What Happens when you need a gap here from real

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Speaker 1: life when you worked hard, climbed the corporate ladder, saved

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Speaker 1: of living crisis turns your largest asset into your biggest liability,

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Speaker 1: and the city life you worked so hard for starts

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Pivot Club. I'm your host, Sarah Davidson, and

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Speaker 1: I know the feeling well of wanting to veer off

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Speaker 1: the traditional path. My own journey. He took me from

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Speaker 1: the structured world of corporate law into the unknown territory

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Speaker 1: of founding my own business. Matcha Maiden. This is the

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Speaker 1: show where we unpack those professional plot twists and brave

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Speaker 1: decisions that change the course of our lives. We dig

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Speaker 1: we are talking to a person who looked at his

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Speaker 3: I just felt like I was like for other people's

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Speaker 1: That person is Tim Abbott, a city boy turned farm

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Speaker 1: hand who originally made his name online, building a massive

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Speaker 1: control of your own timeline Tim Abbott, Welcome to Pivot Club.

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Speaker 3: Oh thanks so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: Let's go back to the start, So tell us about

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Speaker 1: how you were brought up to view your work ethic

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Speaker 3: Thank you Squirman. It was well, I think. So I

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Speaker 3: kind of the mum approval of, like is this a

434
00:21:58,135 --> 00:22:00,054
Speaker 3: good idea? But I was like, I think it's like

435
00:22:00,094 --> 00:22:02,494
Speaker 3: a gap year, bit like financial focus. So I think

436
00:22:02,494 --> 00:22:04,975
Speaker 3: it's like a financial gap year. And then when I

437
00:22:05,014 --> 00:22:06,854
Speaker 3: did my first post online about it, I was like,

438
00:22:06,854 --> 00:22:08,694
Speaker 3: I'm dubbing at my financial gap year. I think the

439
00:22:08,734 --> 00:22:11,054
Speaker 3: media just kind of picked it up and ran with it.

440
00:22:11,054 --> 00:22:12,734
Speaker 3: I'm certainly not the first person to do the concept.

441
00:22:12,734 --> 00:22:13,334
Speaker 3: I'm certainly not.

442
00:22:13,494 --> 00:22:17,494
Speaker 1: I think you coined the term, coined the term. You

443
00:22:17,494 --> 00:22:18,654
Speaker 1: should be getting loyalty.

444
00:22:18,574 --> 00:22:21,614
Speaker 3: Actually, but I had stolen the idea from two friends

445
00:22:21,614 --> 00:22:24,054
Speaker 3: of mine, Sarah and Will, who had moved up to Foster,

446
00:22:24,135 --> 00:22:26,215
Speaker 3: which is about three and a half four hours north

447
00:22:26,215 --> 00:22:29,655
Speaker 3: of Sydney, one school teacher, one is working from home,

448
00:22:29,774 --> 00:22:31,455
Speaker 3: and they did the same thing. They were like, we're

449
00:22:31,455 --> 00:22:33,334
Speaker 3: just paying so much in rent and we just wanted

450
00:22:33,375 --> 00:22:36,455
Speaker 3: a year breather to save up a good amount of money.

451
00:22:37,334 --> 00:22:39,294
Speaker 3: And that really planted the seed. And then I was

452
00:22:39,334 --> 00:22:42,774
Speaker 3: stuck in Sydney traffic coming home from work and very

453
00:22:42,854 --> 00:22:45,414
Speaker 3: serendipitously got a text from my friend who was up

454
00:22:45,455 --> 00:22:49,054
Speaker 3: on the property and he was like can you come sooner,

455
00:22:49,135 --> 00:22:50,734
Speaker 3: like we really need your help, and I was like,

456
00:22:51,534 --> 00:22:53,734
Speaker 3: I know. The timing of it was just like huh,

457
00:22:54,094 --> 00:22:56,494
Speaker 3: all right, well that's a good sign that I you know.

458
00:22:56,534 --> 00:22:59,134
Speaker 3: We spoke on the phone and he kind of sold

459
00:22:59,135 --> 00:23:01,335
Speaker 3: me the you know, the dream of the.

460
00:23:01,254 --> 00:23:04,135
Speaker 1: Fantasy, which is the brochure.

461
00:23:04,215 --> 00:23:06,734
Speaker 3: Well, it turns was like it was a very comparable

462
00:23:07,014 --> 00:23:10,854
Speaker 3: salary to my corporate job in Sydney really, which I

463
00:23:10,854 --> 00:23:13,135
Speaker 3: think surprises a lot of people. But I think because

464
00:23:13,294 --> 00:23:15,975
Speaker 3: it's harder to get workers in those areas, so I

465
00:23:16,014 --> 00:23:19,174
Speaker 3: think they realize that and they pay for that. But

466
00:23:19,215 --> 00:23:23,374
Speaker 3: then also the addition of not having to pay rent

467
00:23:24,614 --> 00:23:29,534
Speaker 3: like utilities and petrol and or covered. So if you

468
00:23:29,614 --> 00:23:31,935
Speaker 3: kind of package it all up, I went, Wow, the

469
00:23:31,975 --> 00:23:35,894
Speaker 3: recipe of very low cost of living and keeping my

470
00:23:36,175 --> 00:23:40,094
Speaker 3: salary reasonably the same. That was the concept of this

471
00:23:40,135 --> 00:23:44,215
Speaker 3: financial gap year. So yeah, you could say move back

472
00:23:44,254 --> 00:23:45,934
Speaker 3: in with your parents, say for twelve months, and do

473
00:23:45,975 --> 00:23:50,574
Speaker 3: something similar. But I think it makes it like not

474
00:23:50,614 --> 00:23:53,614
Speaker 3: either not the temptation or the fomo of like seeing

475
00:23:53,614 --> 00:23:55,894
Speaker 3: people out doing stuff, like it's just not an option

476
00:23:55,975 --> 00:23:59,895
Speaker 3: where we are. So yeah, it makes the time out

477
00:23:59,935 --> 00:24:03,175
Speaker 3: there a lot easier because yeah, I'm not thinking like oh.

478
00:24:03,534 --> 00:24:06,695
Speaker 1: Seeing what you're not in your face around the corner,

479
00:24:06,774 --> 00:24:07,975
Speaker 1: or it's not even an option.

480
00:24:08,054 --> 00:24:09,494
Speaker 3: So I'm not like, oh my friends are not having

481
00:24:09,534 --> 00:24:11,534
Speaker 3: fun at the partment. I'm not sitting at home being

482
00:24:11,935 --> 00:24:15,695
Speaker 3: you know, a sad little timmy. But it's but it's

483
00:24:15,814 --> 00:24:18,694
Speaker 3: it's really leading up to that, in kind of the

484
00:24:18,774 --> 00:24:22,494
Speaker 3: Maym chaos of it all, I was just like it was,

485
00:24:22,574 --> 00:24:25,174
Speaker 3: first of all, the financial stress of trying to be

486
00:24:25,254 --> 00:24:28,615
Speaker 3: a big boy and be in that world was too

487
00:24:28,695 --> 00:24:30,774
Speaker 3: much too soon for me, and I really took on

488
00:24:30,814 --> 00:24:33,574
Speaker 3: more than I could chew, and I was clutching onto

489
00:24:33,614 --> 00:24:38,054
Speaker 3: it like a life raft and like treading water. And

490
00:24:38,734 --> 00:24:43,534
Speaker 3: after a long time of deliberating, the best decision and

491
00:24:43,574 --> 00:24:45,294
Speaker 3: the biggest relief for me was throwing my hands up

492
00:24:45,294 --> 00:24:47,174
Speaker 3: and say I just can't keep doing this.

493
00:24:47,455 --> 00:24:50,215
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that you don't need to keep up. Yeah,

494
00:24:50,294 --> 00:24:50,975
Speaker 1: actually take.

495
00:24:50,814 --> 00:24:52,975
Speaker 3: A step back for sure, And also asking myself the

496
00:24:53,054 --> 00:24:56,294
Speaker 3: question of like who is this for? I think this

497
00:24:56,415 --> 00:24:58,734
Speaker 3: is for your ego, tim, Like I think this is

498
00:24:59,135 --> 00:25:03,494
Speaker 3: all ego pleasing to, you know, be a homeowner. And

499
00:25:03,534 --> 00:25:05,815
Speaker 3: like I was kind of like, why am I onto

500
00:25:05,854 --> 00:25:09,014
Speaker 3: that doesn't like, doesn't serve you, It doesn't serve me,

501
00:25:10,375 --> 00:25:12,935
Speaker 3: and it certainly doesn't bring me happiness joy. It actually

502
00:25:12,975 --> 00:25:15,534
Speaker 3: causes me a lot of stress. So yeah, putting my

503
00:25:15,534 --> 00:25:18,014
Speaker 3: hands up and going like I surrender to this, and

504
00:25:18,054 --> 00:25:21,454
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna take this leap and try out this

505
00:25:21,494 --> 00:25:24,295
Speaker 3: new life. Yeah. I never worked on a farm, never

506
00:25:24,375 --> 00:25:27,814
Speaker 3: driven a tractor, like, never done any of that. But

507
00:25:27,854 --> 00:25:29,574
Speaker 3: I was reassured that if I could drive a car,

508
00:25:29,695 --> 00:25:32,895
Speaker 3: I could drive a tractor, which is partially true. There's

509
00:25:32,895 --> 00:25:34,895
Speaker 3: a bit of a learning curve, but yeah, and now

510
00:25:35,094 --> 00:25:37,574
Speaker 3: kind of I feel like I'm good at my job.

511
00:25:37,655 --> 00:25:40,455
Speaker 3: And also I really love it. I genuinely love it

512
00:25:40,695 --> 00:25:41,575
Speaker 3: and sounds.

513
00:25:41,254 --> 00:25:44,574
Speaker 1: Like an idyllic, beautiful, grounded existence.

514
00:25:44,695 --> 00:25:47,015
Speaker 3: It is. I don't want to speak too toxic positivity

515
00:25:47,375 --> 00:25:51,655
Speaker 3: about it. Yeah, but the lifestyle is really really simple

516
00:25:52,014 --> 00:25:55,215
Speaker 3: and I'm currently living in a caravan on the property

517
00:25:55,854 --> 00:25:59,534
Speaker 3: and I love it. And I think if you told

518
00:25:59,534 --> 00:26:01,415
Speaker 3: me that twelve months ago, I wouldn't have believed it.

519
00:26:01,494 --> 00:26:06,814
Speaker 3: But there's something really it's almost like being stripped back

520
00:26:06,854 --> 00:26:08,814
Speaker 3: in a way of when I was living in the city.

521
00:26:08,814 --> 00:26:11,574
Speaker 3: There was a lot of maybe falsities that I told

522
00:26:11,614 --> 00:26:16,014
Speaker 3: myself that I needed. Like I first thing I walk

523
00:26:16,014 --> 00:26:17,615
Speaker 3: out the door, I get my coffee. I can't start

524
00:26:17,614 --> 00:26:20,975
Speaker 3: my day without grabbing my coffee. That's a lie. That's

525
00:26:20,975 --> 00:26:22,334
Speaker 3: a straight up line that I tell myself.

526
00:26:22,334 --> 00:26:23,734
Speaker 1: I'd dare you burst my bubble?

527
00:26:23,814 --> 00:26:26,175
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would go fifteen eighteen days that are having

528
00:26:26,175 --> 00:26:29,494
Speaker 3: a coffee and I'm still surviving and still very happy,

529
00:26:29,534 --> 00:26:31,375
Speaker 3: and so all those things again, and like I need

530
00:26:31,415 --> 00:26:33,655
Speaker 3: to get new sneakers because I love running every day,

531
00:26:33,814 --> 00:26:37,134
Speaker 3: Like I straight up don't. I've got like I'm fine,

532
00:26:37,455 --> 00:26:39,374
Speaker 3: I am fine, And so there was a lot of

533
00:26:39,415 --> 00:26:41,975
Speaker 3: things that I just would convince myself. I don't know

534
00:26:41,975 --> 00:26:43,814
Speaker 3: if that's common, but living in the city.

535
00:26:43,614 --> 00:26:45,135
Speaker 1: That I think extremely common.

536
00:26:45,215 --> 00:26:49,054
Speaker 3: Yeah, you need or but then out there, like I

537
00:26:49,534 --> 00:26:52,294
Speaker 3: wear the same clothes every single day and I yeah,

538
00:26:52,254 --> 00:26:54,895
Speaker 3: I do the same job every single day and eat

539
00:26:54,935 --> 00:26:56,774
Speaker 3: the same food pretty much every single day, and I

540
00:26:56,814 --> 00:26:59,654
Speaker 3: love it. Yeah, and I'm very content and happy.

541
00:26:59,895 --> 00:27:01,294
Speaker 1: Oh is that really nice?

542
00:27:01,574 --> 00:27:05,054
Speaker 3: Yeah? And sincerely genuinely like it's a very the less

543
00:27:05,175 --> 00:27:08,374
Speaker 3: I have, the easier life, it feels very flow.

544
00:27:08,774 --> 00:27:12,894
Speaker 1: It's fascinating that that's quite a common reflection for people

545
00:27:13,014 --> 00:27:17,415
Speaker 1: that like, contentment doesn't necessarily come from the huge things

546
00:27:17,415 --> 00:27:20,334
Speaker 1: that we think. It doesn't mean that those can't create happiness,

547
00:27:20,655 --> 00:27:23,774
Speaker 1: but it can complicate things. And we do have a

548
00:27:23,854 --> 00:27:28,054
Speaker 1: lot of narratives and stories we tell ourselves, and particularly

549
00:27:28,094 --> 00:27:29,655
Speaker 1: with the pace of life in the city, it's really

550
00:27:29,734 --> 00:27:32,254
Speaker 1: hard to unravel them all because you never stop and

551
00:27:32,415 --> 00:27:35,895
Speaker 1: just think and like, unravel the mind, Matt. But you've

552
00:27:36,135 --> 00:27:39,494
Speaker 1: given yourself this incredibly liberating chance to do that. But

553
00:27:39,574 --> 00:27:42,774
Speaker 1: you mentioned the toxic positivity things. This is called the

554
00:27:42,814 --> 00:27:45,695
Speaker 1: messy middle because it isn't always a smooth transition, even

555
00:27:45,695 --> 00:27:47,414
Speaker 1: if it's one you want, and even if the end

556
00:27:47,415 --> 00:27:50,814
Speaker 1: of the story is incredible. There of course, are some

557
00:27:51,014 --> 00:27:55,934
Speaker 1: logistical challenges, emotional challenges can you talk us through like

558
00:27:56,094 --> 00:28:00,375
Speaker 1: missing home, the homesickness or isolation, so the emotional side

559
00:28:00,375 --> 00:28:03,615
Speaker 1: of it, but also the physical demand of going from

560
00:28:03,655 --> 00:28:06,654
Speaker 1: an office job to you are working in such a

561
00:28:06,695 --> 00:28:08,815
Speaker 1: different way, Like what's your identity?

562
00:28:09,574 --> 00:28:12,334
Speaker 3: Yeah, alsow the end. I don't think I've ever found

563
00:28:12,375 --> 00:28:18,215
Speaker 3: identity through my occupation what ever, ever, And I think

564
00:28:18,254 --> 00:28:20,654
Speaker 3: that's a good thing when it comes to pivoting, because

565
00:28:21,094 --> 00:28:23,215
Speaker 3: I've never been like, oh, well, I'm a marketer through

566
00:28:23,254 --> 00:28:25,975
Speaker 3: and through, and or like I'm a you know, web designer.

567
00:28:26,054 --> 00:28:29,054
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't, You're not attached, No, And I

568
00:28:29,135 --> 00:28:34,254
Speaker 3: find my identity through my interests, hobbies, friendships a lot

569
00:28:34,294 --> 00:28:37,254
Speaker 3: more so like I i'd find, you know, cycling, you know,

570
00:28:37,375 --> 00:28:39,174
Speaker 3: being an interest of mine. I find identity through that,

571
00:28:39,334 --> 00:28:42,654
Speaker 3: and like my cycling buddies or my love for technology

572
00:28:42,655 --> 00:28:45,135
Speaker 3: and geeking out with friends over that or something like that.

573
00:28:45,255 --> 00:28:47,215
Speaker 3: Whereas like my job, and that might be because I've

574
00:28:47,215 --> 00:28:49,775
Speaker 3: never had a job that I've really been proud of

575
00:28:49,895 --> 00:28:51,694
Speaker 3: or loved that much, so that could just be my

576
00:28:51,695 --> 00:28:56,094
Speaker 3: own failues. But I even with content creation online, Like

577
00:28:56,175 --> 00:29:00,455
Speaker 3: I don't find identity through that. I might find community

578
00:29:00,455 --> 00:29:03,935
Speaker 3: through that, yeah, but I don't find identity through that.

579
00:29:04,255 --> 00:29:07,894
Speaker 3: I wouldn't. That makes pivoting and adjusting in life a

580
00:29:07,895 --> 00:29:09,815
Speaker 3: lot easier for me. But it does feel a bit

581
00:29:09,854 --> 00:29:11,654
Speaker 3: like cosplaying at the moment, because like I have to

582
00:29:11,655 --> 00:29:13,655
Speaker 3: wear high visit at work for like oh and s

583
00:29:13,655 --> 00:29:15,694
Speaker 3: safety reasons, and I look at myself in the MIA, well,

584
00:29:15,735 --> 00:29:17,614
Speaker 3: I look at myself with them around, I feel like

585
00:29:17,655 --> 00:29:19,495
Speaker 3: I'm like a dull. I'm like, I feel a little

586
00:29:19,495 --> 00:29:21,174
Speaker 3: bit like it's like playing dress ups a little bit

587
00:29:21,655 --> 00:29:24,255
Speaker 3: because I'm like I can't ever wearing like steelcap boots

588
00:29:24,295 --> 00:29:27,415
Speaker 3: and high veers. I would have never imagined that. But yeah,

589
00:29:27,455 --> 00:29:31,374
Speaker 3: and then from transitioning from an office space to an

590
00:29:31,375 --> 00:29:34,135
Speaker 3: outdoors kind of workplace, I've really loved it. And there's

591
00:29:34,175 --> 00:29:38,495
Speaker 3: something very refreshing about like the tactile nature of my job.

592
00:29:38,614 --> 00:29:41,695
Speaker 3: Like for up until now, like I've lived my life

593
00:29:41,775 --> 00:29:45,095
Speaker 3: in like doing like post campaign analysis and reports and

594
00:29:45,215 --> 00:29:47,935
Speaker 3: like digitalis dex Yeah, and like all that sort of

595
00:29:47,975 --> 00:29:51,975
Speaker 3: stuff and the life or the shelf life of that

596
00:29:52,255 --> 00:29:54,174
Speaker 3: might be a meeting and then it's never seen me

597
00:29:54,295 --> 00:29:56,374
Speaker 3: before again And then like I'd never really got that

598
00:29:56,415 --> 00:29:59,415
Speaker 3: like sense of achievement, whereas it like when you look

599
00:29:59,455 --> 00:30:02,134
Speaker 3: back on like your physical labor of the day, Like

600
00:30:02,375 --> 00:30:06,455
Speaker 3: there is something very cave man about like yeah, and

601
00:30:06,575 --> 00:30:09,175
Speaker 3: like there is being like, oh, that's my work that

602
00:30:09,175 --> 00:30:10,654
Speaker 3: I've done today, and I can see it and I

603
00:30:10,655 --> 00:30:12,374
Speaker 3: can touch it and I can feel and all that

604
00:30:12,415 --> 00:30:14,615
Speaker 3: sort of stuff. Yeah. So God, that's been a really

605
00:30:14,655 --> 00:30:15,455
Speaker 3: pleasant surprise.

606
00:30:15,975 --> 00:30:19,135
Speaker 1: So on the farm, yes, because playing in your high

607
00:30:19,415 --> 00:30:21,374
Speaker 1: What is your actual job, that's.

608
00:30:21,255 --> 00:30:23,735
Speaker 3: A great question. Yeah. I drive a tiger cat, which

609
00:30:23,815 --> 00:30:27,615
Speaker 3: is like a huge yellow tractor all day every day. Yeah,

610
00:30:27,655 --> 00:30:31,455
Speaker 3: start to finish, we are collecting trees, so it's a

611
00:30:31,495 --> 00:30:34,495
Speaker 3: private plantation, and the trees get cut. I then we

612
00:30:34,535 --> 00:30:36,214
Speaker 3: then cut them and then put them on the timber

613
00:30:36,854 --> 00:30:39,135
Speaker 3: road trains that you would have seen driving around. Yeah,

614
00:30:39,135 --> 00:30:41,654
Speaker 3: that's my job. But then because we're on a property,

615
00:30:41,695 --> 00:30:44,334
Speaker 3: there's cattle running around, there's Emmy's running around.

616
00:30:44,055 --> 00:30:46,095
Speaker 1: There around there.

617
00:30:46,175 --> 00:30:48,295
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a very different conversation out there, Like there's

618
00:30:48,295 --> 00:30:51,575
Speaker 3: a lot of chat about like weather conditions and and

619
00:30:51,895 --> 00:30:54,654
Speaker 3: stuff that I can't really like contribute that much too,

620
00:30:54,695 --> 00:30:57,735
Speaker 3: but I like, yeah, I listen on intently, and you know, curiously,

621
00:30:57,775 --> 00:30:58,135
Speaker 3: And I.

622
00:30:58,094 --> 00:31:01,174
Speaker 1: Think that it's just very rare for you to be

623
00:31:01,255 --> 00:31:03,815
Speaker 1: so well adjusted around your identity and your job, because

624
00:31:04,495 --> 00:31:07,895
Speaker 1: so many people's identity is their work, and it can

625
00:31:07,935 --> 00:31:10,975
Speaker 1: be really hard to separate who you are, Like there's

626
00:31:11,015 --> 00:31:14,055
Speaker 1: a lot of pride often in your work, and once

627
00:31:14,094 --> 00:31:16,695
Speaker 1: you have attached your identity to that, it's really hard

628
00:31:16,695 --> 00:31:19,455
Speaker 1: to learn how to separate that. But then you also

629
00:31:19,535 --> 00:31:24,855
Speaker 1: mentioned that the whole part of cosplaying. I love that sentiment,

630
00:31:25,215 --> 00:31:28,295
Speaker 1: but I also think to extrapolate from that that hard

631
00:31:28,334 --> 00:31:31,174
Speaker 1: of doing something new is we are always just cosplaying

632
00:31:31,415 --> 00:31:33,135
Speaker 1: and faking it till we make it, until we're good

633
00:31:33,135 --> 00:31:34,854
Speaker 1: at it. And I think that's a great strategy, just

634
00:31:34,895 --> 00:31:37,815
Speaker 1: like put on the uniform, get in the mindset, work

635
00:31:37,854 --> 00:31:40,495
Speaker 1: it out. I was pretend until you can do it.

636
00:31:40,575 --> 00:31:42,935
Speaker 3: I was certainly costplaying in marketing. I'm sorry to any

637
00:31:42,935 --> 00:31:44,695
Speaker 3: of my old clients that might say.

638
00:31:44,495 --> 00:31:47,614
Speaker 1: This, but cosplaying in everything I do, it's very.

639
00:31:47,455 --> 00:31:51,455
Speaker 3: Hard to be positive, like enthusiastically and genuinely enthusiastic about

640
00:31:51,455 --> 00:31:55,015
Speaker 3: like clicks and views, like, hey, guys, we're up twenty

641
00:31:55,015 --> 00:31:57,735
Speaker 3: five percent this month, isn't that amazing? Like that was costplaying,

642
00:31:58,094 --> 00:31:59,815
Speaker 3: That was I was wearing a suit and like, I

643
00:31:59,854 --> 00:32:02,775
Speaker 3: hate wearing a suit, so like like all of that,

644
00:32:03,094 --> 00:32:05,535
Speaker 3: I like, in my professional life has all been a

645
00:32:05,535 --> 00:32:07,854
Speaker 3: lot of cosplaying. I mean, this is probably as true

646
00:32:07,895 --> 00:32:11,175
Speaker 3: to me as you can get, but even online there's

647
00:32:11,175 --> 00:32:15,295
Speaker 3: an element of performing and all that sort of stuff.

648
00:32:15,415 --> 00:32:17,694
Speaker 1: And I think also cosplaying can work when you do

649
00:32:17,775 --> 00:32:19,975
Speaker 1: have those moments of doubt, because for a lot of people,

650
00:32:19,975 --> 00:32:21,735
Speaker 1: when they do make a really big jump, like you

651
00:32:21,815 --> 00:32:23,935
Speaker 1: moved five hundred kilometers away into a job you've never

652
00:32:23,975 --> 00:32:26,135
Speaker 1: done before, that would bring up a lot of self

653
00:32:26,215 --> 00:32:29,415
Speaker 1: doubt and imposter syndrome for people. And my strategy has

654
00:32:29,495 --> 00:32:34,855
Speaker 1: been cosplay confidence until you actually have it, and that works.

655
00:32:34,895 --> 00:32:37,735
Speaker 1: But have you had any moments when you did find

656
00:32:37,775 --> 00:32:40,374
Speaker 1: yourself in this messy middle where you were like, maybe

657
00:32:40,415 --> 00:32:41,614
Speaker 1: I can't do this?

658
00:32:41,815 --> 00:32:45,015
Speaker 3: Yeah I have Yeah, And there's been yeah, two moments

659
00:32:45,055 --> 00:32:47,455
Speaker 3: of stick out this year that have certainly mean that.

660
00:32:47,895 --> 00:32:50,894
Speaker 3: One was doing the Iron Man training and.

661
00:32:51,415 --> 00:32:53,295
Speaker 1: Just another thing thrown into the mix.

662
00:32:53,854 --> 00:32:56,615
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was point there where I was like, there's

663
00:32:56,655 --> 00:33:00,654
Speaker 3: no way you can do this. And it's momentary, but

664
00:33:00,775 --> 00:33:03,615
Speaker 3: like there is that voice of doubt, that conquering that

665
00:33:03,775 --> 00:33:06,455
Speaker 3: makes you so much stronger, and so yeah, there was

666
00:33:06,495 --> 00:33:08,735
Speaker 3: a lot of negative self talk during that training of

667
00:33:08,775 --> 00:33:12,135
Speaker 3: being like, I mean, fair enough things.

668
00:33:11,895 --> 00:33:15,295
Speaker 1: You can do what a human being? Yes, and you've

669
00:33:15,295 --> 00:33:15,614
Speaker 1: done it.

670
00:33:15,854 --> 00:33:19,654
Speaker 3: Yeah I did too. Actually, yeah that's a but I

671
00:33:19,695 --> 00:33:22,094
Speaker 3: love it. But but then out on the out on

672
00:33:22,135 --> 00:33:23,894
Speaker 3: the farm, Yeah, there's been a couple of moments and

673
00:33:23,935 --> 00:33:26,615
Speaker 3: one really tough day and I was just like Tim,

674
00:33:26,655 --> 00:33:28,215
Speaker 3: like what are you doing?

675
00:33:28,455 --> 00:33:30,535
Speaker 1: Like this is why are you out here?

676
00:33:30,815 --> 00:33:36,055
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, And but but but again, like I'm old

677
00:33:36,175 --> 00:33:37,935
Speaker 3: enough now and have been through enough of those moments

678
00:33:38,015 --> 00:33:40,895
Speaker 3: now where I go like, these moments can just be

679
00:33:41,175 --> 00:33:44,134
Speaker 3: a mixture of you're tired, or you're stress or both,

680
00:33:44,215 --> 00:33:47,055
Speaker 3: or you're hungry or whatever, and then all of it

681
00:33:47,775 --> 00:33:52,334
Speaker 3: and then you're like huh okay, like let's just I'm okay,

682
00:33:52,415 --> 00:33:55,374
Speaker 3: I'm okay. Yeah. Yeah, And so writing writing those waves

683
00:33:55,375 --> 00:33:58,894
Speaker 3: as opposed to catastrophizing is a lot easier now in

684
00:33:58,895 --> 00:34:02,575
Speaker 3: my thirties than it was maybe ten years ago. But yeah,

685
00:34:02,614 --> 00:34:04,614
Speaker 3: and I think from saying doing The Iron Man, there

686
00:34:04,695 --> 00:34:07,055
Speaker 3: is a lot of mentors there of sticking things out

687
00:34:07,094 --> 00:34:11,975
Speaker 3: and pushing through and that's really lent into doing this

688
00:34:12,015 --> 00:34:13,415
Speaker 3: sort of work. But now I really love it. It's

689
00:34:13,415 --> 00:34:15,614
Speaker 3: my favorite job that I've ever had. I think, Yeah,

690
00:34:16,295 --> 00:34:18,654
Speaker 3: well I noticed that because I don't complain about it

691
00:34:18,694 --> 00:34:19,215
Speaker 3: to my friends.

692
00:34:19,855 --> 00:34:22,855
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that's a fascinating way to measure happiness.

693
00:34:22,935 --> 00:34:24,335
Speaker 3: Yeah, when your friends ask you how's work, I'm like,

694
00:34:24,375 --> 00:34:27,855
Speaker 3: I actually love it. And look, if I could change

695
00:34:27,895 --> 00:34:29,614
Speaker 3: one thing, ord be being closer to a city and

696
00:34:29,614 --> 00:34:31,214
Speaker 3: being close to my partner James.

697
00:34:30,895 --> 00:34:32,735
Speaker 1: But a long distance.

698
00:34:33,134 --> 00:34:35,975
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's you know, temporary and making that work.

699
00:34:36,015 --> 00:34:38,214
Speaker 3: But other than that, I actually love the job and

700
00:34:38,255 --> 00:34:41,495
Speaker 3: I love where we are. It's a beautiful part of Australia. Yeah.

701
00:34:41,575 --> 00:34:43,575
Speaker 1: Do you know what I think is also fascinating about

702
00:34:43,614 --> 00:34:46,455
Speaker 1: this financial gap year? And actually that comes back to

703
00:34:47,094 --> 00:34:49,975
Speaker 1: the sort of more standard conventional gap year that people take.

704
00:34:50,855 --> 00:34:53,614
Speaker 1: It's similar to working overseas as an expart or doing

705
00:34:53,855 --> 00:34:56,934
Speaker 1: an exchange when you're at school. I loved those experiences

706
00:34:57,015 --> 00:34:59,774
Speaker 1: so much because they were temporary and I knew that

707
00:34:59,815 --> 00:35:02,415
Speaker 1: I didn't have to put down roots and prove myself

708
00:35:02,415 --> 00:35:04,455
Speaker 1: for a lifetime or make forever decisions.

709
00:35:04,535 --> 00:35:04,895
Speaker 3: Yeah.

710
00:35:05,094 --> 00:35:07,415
Speaker 1: Mostly as an adult, you don't get that because your

711
00:35:07,415 --> 00:35:10,854
Speaker 1: decisions are kind of for your life. But you've you're

712
00:35:10,895 --> 00:35:14,334
Speaker 1: living in this temporary, beautiful bubble has that made it

713
00:35:14,375 --> 00:35:15,575
Speaker 1: easier to enjoy it?

714
00:35:15,614 --> 00:35:18,495
Speaker 3: Does? It does feel that way sometimes, And yes, I

715
00:35:18,535 --> 00:35:20,334
Speaker 3: do talk to my friends about this because so I'm

716
00:35:20,375 --> 00:35:22,255
Speaker 3: living in a caravan as a part of this setup

717
00:35:22,614 --> 00:35:24,854
Speaker 3: on the property and I love that. But I do

718
00:35:25,775 --> 00:35:28,535
Speaker 3: wonder if I love it so much because it is

719
00:35:28,575 --> 00:35:31,815
Speaker 3: an experience that does have an expiry day. I wonder,

720
00:35:31,815 --> 00:35:33,294
Speaker 3: And I don't think that's something that I'll ever know,

721
00:35:34,015 --> 00:35:37,774
Speaker 3: having lived in London that didn't have an expiry day.

722
00:35:38,174 --> 00:35:40,055
Speaker 3: And I did just get to a point where I went,

723
00:35:40,174 --> 00:35:42,774
Speaker 3: I'm not happy anymore. I need to and that was yeah,

724
00:35:42,815 --> 00:35:44,614
Speaker 3: And once I obviously I didn't leave the next day,

725
00:35:44,654 --> 00:35:47,375
Speaker 3: but once I'd made the decision mentally, that was my

726
00:35:47,614 --> 00:35:50,294
Speaker 3: kind of exit period. And then starts rubbing things up.

727
00:35:50,335 --> 00:35:53,335
Speaker 3: But I've been pretty intuitive and in tune with that

728
00:35:53,415 --> 00:35:55,174
Speaker 3: part of my brain for quite a while now of

729
00:35:55,214 --> 00:35:59,455
Speaker 3: going like this doesn't feel right and learning to listen

730
00:35:59,495 --> 00:36:02,214
Speaker 3: to my gut. I don't. But that took me a

731
00:36:02,255 --> 00:36:05,174
Speaker 3: really long time. It took me a long time. And

732
00:36:05,975 --> 00:36:09,455
Speaker 3: once I tuned into the gut more than the ego,

733
00:36:10,214 --> 00:36:13,535
Speaker 3: the gut really guides you really, really well, because if

734
00:36:13,535 --> 00:36:16,894
Speaker 3: you feel uncomfortable or feel like wrestless, something's not right,

735
00:36:17,575 --> 00:36:18,215
Speaker 3: there's a reason.

736
00:36:19,495 --> 00:36:22,694
Speaker 1: I also think that leaning into that whole everything is

737
00:36:22,734 --> 00:36:23,535
Speaker 1: temporary thing.

738
00:36:23,734 --> 00:36:26,055
Speaker 3: But the con is like nothing's forever.

739
00:36:26,734 --> 00:36:29,334
Speaker 1: In a good way, exactly in the liberating way.

740
00:36:29,415 --> 00:36:33,015
Speaker 3: The trap of that might prevent people from doing something

741
00:36:33,094 --> 00:36:34,455
Speaker 3: is the kind of what ifs.

742
00:36:34,815 --> 00:36:37,254
Speaker 1: Yeah, in my mind, I'm like, well, the what if

743
00:36:37,335 --> 00:36:40,334
Speaker 1: is use that in a good way of like, who

744
00:36:40,375 --> 00:36:41,815
Speaker 1: cares if it doesn't work, because then you can just

745
00:36:41,855 --> 00:36:43,294
Speaker 1: do something else correct.

746
00:36:43,015 --> 00:36:46,775
Speaker 3: And worst case scenario, you're back where you started. I've

747
00:36:46,895 --> 00:36:49,535
Speaker 3: never done that, And looking back on my life, it's

748
00:36:49,575 --> 00:36:51,294
Speaker 3: a lot easier to look back than look forward. But

749
00:36:51,855 --> 00:36:56,094
Speaker 3: I look back and I'm like, every decision has kind

750
00:36:56,134 --> 00:37:00,215
Speaker 3: of pingponged me into something better or a more interesting path.

751
00:37:04,734 --> 00:37:08,174
Speaker 1: Moving onto your life now, you're almost six months in. Yes,

752
00:37:08,415 --> 00:37:11,335
Speaker 1: I've read you say that actually looking forward, this is

753
00:37:11,375 --> 00:37:13,895
Speaker 1: the most excited you've been for the future, which is

754
00:37:14,134 --> 00:37:15,335
Speaker 1: a beautiful sentiment.

755
00:37:15,775 --> 00:37:18,535
Speaker 3: It's the first time in a really, really long time

756
00:37:18,575 --> 00:37:21,334
Speaker 3: that that's been true. I feel like the last time

757
00:37:21,375 --> 00:37:22,774
Speaker 3: I was just excited for the future, I had just

758
00:37:22,775 --> 00:37:25,415
Speaker 3: finished high school. Oh my gosh, and that kind of

759
00:37:25,535 --> 00:37:28,134
Speaker 3: like the world's might always just sort of mentality of like, well,

760
00:37:28,174 --> 00:37:29,414
Speaker 3: I don't have a care in the world, and more

761
00:37:29,495 --> 00:37:32,654
Speaker 3: like if everything seems very in flow now.

762
00:37:32,575 --> 00:37:35,174
Speaker 1: And that's from this, do you think the separation from

763
00:37:35,255 --> 00:37:36,134
Speaker 1: where you were for.

764
00:37:36,335 --> 00:37:38,294
Speaker 3: A number of things. I feel like I'm living a

765
00:37:38,335 --> 00:37:41,134
Speaker 3: life that's far more true to myself, which or true

766
00:37:41,174 --> 00:37:44,535
Speaker 3: to Minor's eyes and my goals, which is so exciting.

767
00:37:44,654 --> 00:37:47,694
Speaker 3: And then probably nine months into real that shit with

768
00:37:47,694 --> 00:37:49,495
Speaker 3: my partner James, and that is just like the best

769
00:37:49,495 --> 00:37:51,254
Speaker 3: thing that's ever happened to me. And we're just like

770
00:37:52,654 --> 00:37:54,495
Speaker 3: just like perfect for each other, made for each other,

771
00:37:54,654 --> 00:37:57,694
Speaker 3: and very much brought into the same pipe dream of

772
00:37:57,734 --> 00:37:59,575
Speaker 3: like one in the Golden Retrieval one in the house.

773
00:37:59,734 --> 00:38:02,214
Speaker 3: It's so exciting to have like a co pilot now

774
00:38:02,255 --> 00:38:04,414
Speaker 3: of being like, right, we're both in the driver's seat,

775
00:38:04,415 --> 00:38:07,214
Speaker 3: we're both going after the same thing. Yeah, same energy,

776
00:38:07,335 --> 00:38:09,774
Speaker 3: same vision, and it's very exciting. So it's just very

777
00:38:09,775 --> 00:38:12,535
Speaker 3: exciting for the future. And you know, a lot of

778
00:38:12,535 --> 00:38:13,935
Speaker 3: things that I've wanted to do in my life where

779
00:38:13,935 --> 00:38:15,614
Speaker 3: I've thought I'm going to be doing them on my own,

780
00:38:15,935 --> 00:38:18,814
Speaker 3: to now have someone in a companion to IULD go

781
00:38:18,855 --> 00:38:21,015
Speaker 3: and do all those things with it's very, very exciting

782
00:38:21,094 --> 00:38:24,655
Speaker 3: and I yeah, I feel very blessed and it's given

783
00:38:24,694 --> 00:38:26,935
Speaker 3: me a great buzz and energy which I haven't I

784
00:38:26,935 --> 00:38:29,295
Speaker 3: haven't experience since I was probably yeah, like seventeen or eighteen.

785
00:38:29,895 --> 00:38:33,055
Speaker 1: Yeah, and to get that back is Yeah, it's so exciting.

786
00:38:33,094 --> 00:38:35,614
Speaker 1: And it's interesting that I think with something like a

787
00:38:35,654 --> 00:38:39,055
Speaker 1: financial gap year, the wording is often oh, well when

788
00:38:39,134 --> 00:38:41,855
Speaker 1: you go back, like when this ends and you go back.

789
00:38:41,935 --> 00:38:43,654
Speaker 1: But I kind of don't think that you will go

790
00:38:43,694 --> 00:38:46,255
Speaker 1: back to who you were before, Like you'll be propelled

791
00:38:46,255 --> 00:38:49,815
Speaker 1: into this new human. You can't go back to unknow

792
00:38:49,855 --> 00:38:51,814
Speaker 1: what you've known. It's like, what is the plan if

793
00:38:51,895 --> 00:38:54,654
Speaker 1: you make this on hundred thousand dollars goal? Do you

794
00:38:54,734 --> 00:38:57,694
Speaker 1: feel pressure to decide that? No?

795
00:38:57,935 --> 00:39:00,975
Speaker 3: I probably feel more pressure to proclaim it than because.

796
00:39:00,734 --> 00:39:03,854
Speaker 1: We keep asking, well, I've kind of got the grand plan.

797
00:39:03,935 --> 00:39:06,655
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I put myself into that position. But plan,

798
00:39:06,935 --> 00:39:11,734
Speaker 3: like I think to say, it's it's absolutely changed me

799
00:39:12,335 --> 00:39:14,174
Speaker 3: as a person. I think it's hard to go through

800
00:39:14,214 --> 00:39:17,774
Speaker 3: any experience or life without it changing me. I think

801
00:39:17,815 --> 00:39:19,895
Speaker 3: the best thing that's happened to me is that I

802
00:39:19,935 --> 00:39:25,134
Speaker 3: feel like it's really stripped me back to bear bones.

803
00:39:24,775 --> 00:39:27,455
Speaker 1: And bear like without all the noise.

804
00:39:27,295 --> 00:39:31,055
Speaker 3: Without a noise A yeah, and that's that's always been

805
00:39:31,055 --> 00:39:33,175
Speaker 3: the same. But I think like living in the city,

806
00:39:33,335 --> 00:39:36,374
Speaker 3: you do pick up a lot of influencers, whether you're

807
00:39:36,375 --> 00:39:39,214
Speaker 3: not like subconsciously from your friends or just society. But

808
00:39:39,895 --> 00:39:43,535
Speaker 3: I wish more people could see me out there, and

809
00:39:43,575 --> 00:39:46,215
Speaker 3: I don't think they ever will. I love. That's really sad,

810
00:39:46,214 --> 00:39:48,375
Speaker 3: but like it's I said, it's my boyfriend, James. I

811
00:39:48,694 --> 00:39:50,455
Speaker 3: wish you could see me. I see who I am

812
00:39:50,495 --> 00:39:52,614
Speaker 3: out there, because like I think it's someone who I'm

813
00:39:52,614 --> 00:39:54,254
Speaker 3: really proud of, which is really nice.

814
00:39:54,815 --> 00:39:57,535
Speaker 1: So sad, that's actually so beautiful.

815
00:39:57,815 --> 00:39:59,694
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really like who I am out there, and.

816
00:40:00,174 --> 00:40:02,055
Speaker 1: It's like you in your purest form.

817
00:40:02,174 --> 00:40:04,855
Speaker 3: Yeah, truly, there's no fluff. And then after this, I

818
00:40:05,094 --> 00:40:08,055
Speaker 3: really want to sell the apartment and I certainly don't

819
00:40:08,055 --> 00:40:10,895
Speaker 3: want to be some property mogul. I'm not. That's certainly

820
00:40:10,935 --> 00:40:13,374
Speaker 3: not the dream. But yeah, so James and I will

821
00:40:13,375 --> 00:40:17,694
Speaker 3: hopefully team up and buy a house together and that

822
00:40:17,815 --> 00:40:19,535
Speaker 3: be that, and he runs a business in Brizze. I'll

823
00:40:19,575 --> 00:40:22,814
Speaker 3: probably like, I love Sydney. Sydney is one of the

824
00:40:22,815 --> 00:40:24,695
Speaker 3: best places on Earth. I love it. It's my hometown.

825
00:40:25,094 --> 00:40:27,334
Speaker 3: But I just like, if I don't have thirty million dollars, so.

826
00:40:28,815 --> 00:40:33,855
Speaker 1: If I did financial gap quarter, yeah life.

827
00:40:34,015 --> 00:40:36,575
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, maybe when I'm in the Book of Mormon, Yeah,

828
00:40:36,614 --> 00:40:37,294
Speaker 3: that'll happen.

829
00:40:37,495 --> 00:40:37,975
Speaker 1: Yeah obviously.

830
00:40:38,214 --> 00:40:40,255
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I was put down roots in Brizzy because

831
00:40:40,654 --> 00:40:43,254
Speaker 3: and I say this is a huge compliment, but I

832
00:40:43,255 --> 00:40:46,015
Speaker 3: would say, like Perth and Brizzy have this very like

833
00:40:46,055 --> 00:40:50,415
Speaker 3: two thousand and five pre smartphone analog analog energy about it,

834
00:40:50,455 --> 00:40:51,895
Speaker 3: and I love it. It's a city, but it's a

835
00:40:51,935 --> 00:40:55,975
Speaker 3: slower pace and everything feels a lot more present. It

836
00:40:56,055 --> 00:40:59,055
Speaker 3: just feels like it's the speed is just turned down

837
00:40:59,055 --> 00:41:02,215
Speaker 3: a bit. I agree, So that's kind of the dream.

838
00:41:02,255 --> 00:41:05,254
Speaker 3: And then for another pivot, I'm enrolled to study psychology.

839
00:41:05,694 --> 00:41:10,694
Speaker 1: Wait, of course you are, Wait what drove that?

840
00:41:11,455 --> 00:41:14,215
Speaker 3: Well, I come from a bit of a psych background,

841
00:41:14,214 --> 00:41:16,174
Speaker 3: so my mum psych trained, my uncle psych trained, my

842
00:41:16,214 --> 00:41:19,934
Speaker 3: sister's psych trained, and I just as an area of study,

843
00:41:20,255 --> 00:41:22,495
Speaker 3: like what I listened to is what I read. I

844
00:41:22,535 --> 00:41:26,815
Speaker 3: find it fascinating, ever evolving research. So I'm enrolled. I

845
00:41:26,895 --> 00:41:30,015
Speaker 3: actually started earlier this year, but then with everything, I

846
00:41:30,055 --> 00:41:31,015
Speaker 3: was like, I can't.

847
00:41:30,855 --> 00:41:35,254
Speaker 1: You have a lot on your plate anymore right now.

848
00:41:35,335 --> 00:41:37,934
Speaker 3: Yeah, as my friends are doing the most achieving the least.

849
00:41:37,975 --> 00:41:41,535
Speaker 3: But I hear that. But that's the kind of you know,

850
00:41:42,094 --> 00:41:46,935
Speaker 3: longer term retraining vision. And I did kind of anticipate this,

851
00:41:47,055 --> 00:41:52,055
Speaker 3: but I originally studied communications information technology, and now moving

852
00:41:52,094 --> 00:41:54,375
Speaker 3: into like later in life, I'm like, I'd really like

853
00:41:54,495 --> 00:41:57,695
Speaker 3: to do psychology. I think it's really like rewarding profession

854
00:41:57,734 --> 00:42:00,455
Speaker 3: to help people and it's just interesting like human behavior,

855
00:42:00,495 --> 00:42:01,734
Speaker 3: and yeah, I love it.

856
00:42:01,855 --> 00:42:05,455
Speaker 1: There's something really refreshing about you. And it's many things,

857
00:42:06,295 --> 00:42:08,975
Speaker 1: many things ain't you, but I feel like one of

858
00:42:08,975 --> 00:42:14,135
Speaker 1: them is that you don't seem super stressed about timelines.

859
00:42:14,415 --> 00:42:17,814
Speaker 1: Like people often don't go back to retrain because they

860
00:42:17,895 --> 00:42:20,134
Speaker 1: feel like they're too old or it's too late. The

861
00:42:20,174 --> 00:42:22,055
Speaker 1: common phrase is it's too late for me to do that.

862
00:42:22,375 --> 00:42:24,415
Speaker 1: To be fair, you're a baby, you're thirty one. But

863
00:42:24,535 --> 00:42:26,895
Speaker 1: still many people wouldn't go back and retrain in something

864
00:42:27,015 --> 00:42:29,615
Speaker 1: at thirty one or take a year out of life.

865
00:42:29,734 --> 00:42:31,495
Speaker 1: As you mentioned, the pace of the cities is so

866
00:42:31,614 --> 00:42:33,654
Speaker 1: fast that a lot of people would feel like they'd

867
00:42:33,694 --> 00:42:35,535
Speaker 1: fall behind. But then it's kind of like fall behind

868
00:42:35,575 --> 00:42:38,294
Speaker 1: what from who? Yeah, from watch from no one else

869
00:42:38,375 --> 00:42:40,495
Speaker 1: is living your life, and you seem to be really

870
00:42:40,734 --> 00:42:44,214
Speaker 1: able to move past that timeline that the city is

871
00:42:44,295 --> 00:42:45,774
Speaker 1: kind of impose on us.

872
00:42:45,935 --> 00:42:48,375
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I don't get a twisted I am quite pragmatic.

873
00:42:49,734 --> 00:42:51,814
Speaker 3: Planned you've thought about it, yeah, I thought about it.

874
00:42:51,895 --> 00:42:54,015
Speaker 3: But we spoke about my parents and their work ethic.

875
00:42:54,094 --> 00:42:57,015
Speaker 3: But we have a family friend called Brett, and he

876
00:42:57,094 --> 00:42:59,335
Speaker 3: was actually a family doctor growing up. He got to

877
00:42:59,815 --> 00:43:02,174
Speaker 3: my age now, early thirties, and he went, I don't

878
00:43:02,174 --> 00:43:04,694
Speaker 3: want to do this. And so after the what like

879
00:43:04,855 --> 00:43:07,814
Speaker 3: six seven years of training, and he did that because

880
00:43:07,815 --> 00:43:09,854
Speaker 3: I think there was a bit of parental pressure for him,

881
00:43:10,214 --> 00:43:11,334
Speaker 3: but he was like, I don't want to do this.

882
00:43:11,575 --> 00:43:13,575
Speaker 3: And so then he went and worked in television for

883
00:43:13,614 --> 00:43:16,975
Speaker 3: a bit, and then he worked at AOL for the

884
00:43:17,174 --> 00:43:20,174
Speaker 3: Intel company. Yeah, and then worked at Microsoft and then

885
00:43:20,174 --> 00:43:23,255
Speaker 3: the San Francisco Chronicle and he's had this amazing career.

886
00:43:23,295 --> 00:43:25,654
Speaker 3: But he just kind of went, you know, like that

887
00:43:25,775 --> 00:43:29,495
Speaker 3: seven eight year degree can transfer into all aspects of life, right,

888
00:43:29,975 --> 00:43:33,094
Speaker 3: So he told me, and he was like, you know,

889
00:43:33,214 --> 00:43:36,015
Speaker 3: it's an eight year degree or it's another forty years

890
00:43:36,055 --> 00:43:36,735
Speaker 3: of my life.

891
00:43:37,134 --> 00:43:38,894
Speaker 1: Oh yes, I love that.

892
00:43:39,015 --> 00:43:40,654
Speaker 3: And so he's like, I'm not throwing that degree out

893
00:43:40,694 --> 00:43:43,134
Speaker 3: the window. He's like, I use it. Yeah, And he

894
00:43:43,455 --> 00:43:45,814
Speaker 3: finds that knowledge of the human body and health so

895
00:43:46,015 --> 00:43:49,415
Speaker 3: valuable in his life. But I think that adaptability really

896
00:43:49,455 --> 00:43:52,094
Speaker 3: inspired me because I'm like, well, I've done a marketing degree.

897
00:43:52,134 --> 00:43:53,415
Speaker 3: I guess I'm going to be a marketer for the

898
00:43:53,415 --> 00:43:55,374
Speaker 3: rest of my life, the most being like, no, I'm

899
00:43:55,375 --> 00:43:56,254
Speaker 3: going to go work on off arm.

900
00:43:56,815 --> 00:43:59,775
Speaker 1: I love that, And I often come back to this quote, Yeah,

901
00:43:59,895 --> 00:44:02,255
Speaker 1: you don't have to stick with a mistake just because

902
00:44:02,255 --> 00:44:04,374
Speaker 1: of the time it took you to make it. Oh,

903
00:44:04,614 --> 00:44:06,654
Speaker 1: not that it was a mistake his career, but it's

904
00:44:06,694 --> 00:44:08,654
Speaker 1: just like, you're right. We often think, oh, well, I've

905
00:44:08,654 --> 00:44:10,375
Speaker 1: studied this long, I've got to keep going with it.

906
00:44:10,415 --> 00:44:13,055
Speaker 1: And it's like, actually, you don't have to give the

907
00:44:13,094 --> 00:44:15,094
Speaker 1: rest of your life to medicine just because you gave

908
00:44:15,134 --> 00:44:18,415
Speaker 1: seven or eight years. You can choose and it will

909
00:44:18,455 --> 00:44:20,375
Speaker 1: still be transferable, Like nothing's a waste.

910
00:44:20,415 --> 00:44:22,415
Speaker 3: It's a business term like diminishing returns.

911
00:44:22,855 --> 00:44:23,175
Speaker 1: Yeah.

912
00:44:23,174 --> 00:44:25,535
Speaker 3: Well yeah, And so I think he went like, it's

913
00:44:25,535 --> 00:44:27,614
Speaker 3: going to cost me more to stay than it is

914
00:44:27,654 --> 00:44:29,854
Speaker 3: to leave to let go. Yeah, And it's the same

915
00:44:29,895 --> 00:44:31,294
Speaker 3: thing with my apartment. It's going to cost me more

916
00:44:31,335 --> 00:44:32,174
Speaker 3: to stay than it is to go.

917
00:44:32,415 --> 00:44:34,495
Speaker 1: So and we don't often think about that. We think

918
00:44:34,535 --> 00:44:37,174
Speaker 1: about the risk of the scary decision. We don't think

919
00:44:37,174 --> 00:44:39,895
Speaker 1: about the risk of staying and how that's sometimes scarier.

920
00:44:40,255 --> 00:44:43,294
Speaker 3: I think so because look, you know, if I was

921
00:44:43,335 --> 00:44:46,455
Speaker 3: in the same position I was twelve months ago, I'd

922
00:44:46,455 --> 00:44:49,254
Speaker 3: be really unhappy. Yeah. Yeah, but that's me, that's me.

923
00:44:49,295 --> 00:44:52,575
Speaker 3: I'm not like And again this is an extreme Yeah,

924
00:44:53,415 --> 00:44:56,134
Speaker 3: it is quite large. Yeah, that's what it took for you.

925
00:44:56,415 --> 00:44:58,614
Speaker 1: So what would you say, having been like a serial

926
00:44:58,654 --> 00:45:03,134
Speaker 1: pivoter and continuing to make them obviously going back to study, Yeah,

927
00:45:03,174 --> 00:45:06,495
Speaker 1: what would you say is the biggest une expected lesson

928
00:45:06,734 --> 00:45:09,134
Speaker 1: that you've learned about eat yourself or life?

929
00:45:10,734 --> 00:45:12,694
Speaker 3: I think I might have said this earlier, but the

930
00:45:12,694 --> 00:45:15,055
Speaker 3: biggest unexpected lesson is that I do have far more

931
00:45:15,174 --> 00:45:18,614
Speaker 3: autonomy over my life than I once thought or gave

932
00:45:18,654 --> 00:45:21,495
Speaker 3: myself credit for. And I'd probably still fall trapped to

933
00:45:21,535 --> 00:45:23,654
Speaker 3: that of like, oh no, that's not an option or

934
00:45:23,654 --> 00:45:25,774
Speaker 3: I can't do that, and then I kind of go like,

935
00:45:25,855 --> 00:45:30,215
Speaker 3: well why not? Why can't I? And I'm certainly not lawless,

936
00:45:30,214 --> 00:45:35,495
Speaker 3: and I'm certainly not like like yeah, yeah, but yeah,

937
00:45:35,535 --> 00:45:38,134
Speaker 3: I think that part of my like, well, who's in control?

938
00:45:38,375 --> 00:45:42,654
Speaker 3: And that's also for the bad sides of my life too, Like,

939
00:45:42,775 --> 00:45:45,575
Speaker 3: I think it was a lot easier for me, in

940
00:45:45,614 --> 00:45:49,134
Speaker 3: certainly bad situations of my life to point fingers or

941
00:45:49,174 --> 00:45:52,415
Speaker 3: play the blame game, but to take the accountability of

942
00:45:52,455 --> 00:45:54,094
Speaker 3: like what role did I play in that? And how

943
00:45:54,174 --> 00:45:56,935
Speaker 3: much control? Like I think of like a bad relationship

944
00:45:56,935 --> 00:45:59,094
Speaker 3: that I might have been in where I'm like, well, Tim,

945
00:45:59,134 --> 00:46:01,335
Speaker 3: you stayed in that, yeah.

946
00:46:01,495 --> 00:46:03,695
Speaker 1: Like you let it happen hard look in the mirror,

947
00:46:03,815 --> 00:46:04,374
Speaker 1: yeah yeah.

948
00:46:04,415 --> 00:46:07,734
Speaker 3: And so having those conversations with myself, I was like, yeah, damn,

949
00:46:07,734 --> 00:46:09,774
Speaker 3: I do have a lot more control on an autonomy

950
00:46:09,895 --> 00:46:13,134
Speaker 3: of my life than I thought. So, going back to

951
00:46:13,174 --> 00:46:16,975
Speaker 3: the time thing before I turned thirty, I thought I

952
00:46:16,975 --> 00:46:18,775
Speaker 3: had to live my whole life before I turned thirty.

953
00:46:18,935 --> 00:46:22,134
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm not sure about you, but I don't meltdown. Yeah,

954
00:46:22,255 --> 00:46:23,975
Speaker 1: twenty nine and a half, I was like Jesus, Yeah.

955
00:46:23,855 --> 00:46:24,614
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, I have to have

956
00:46:24,654 --> 00:46:25,895
Speaker 3: the house and the kids and the like in the

957
00:46:25,935 --> 00:46:28,094
Speaker 3: marriage and the dream job. I've goten a trivia yeah,

958
00:46:28,094 --> 00:46:30,015
Speaker 3: and if I've got to Travis and then I turned thirty,

959
00:46:30,055 --> 00:46:32,614
Speaker 3: and they're like the hourglass flipped over again and I

960
00:46:32,734 --> 00:46:35,375
Speaker 3: went I felt very much on the old side of

961
00:46:35,855 --> 00:46:37,614
Speaker 3: young when I bet four ten thirty, and now I

962
00:46:37,654 --> 00:46:41,455
Speaker 3: feel like I'm on the young side of old. So yeah,

963
00:46:42,094 --> 00:46:43,614
Speaker 3: and so now I feel like a spring chicken again.

964
00:46:43,614 --> 00:46:47,174
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, my godness, yeah, which is great. That's

965
00:46:47,335 --> 00:46:49,535
Speaker 3: that's really really nice. And also like I don't know

966
00:46:49,614 --> 00:46:51,814
Speaker 3: what I'm expecting out of life either, like what am

967
00:46:51,855 --> 00:46:53,535
Speaker 3: I supposed to have achieved by thirty one?

968
00:46:53,694 --> 00:46:55,735
Speaker 1: Like ory, oh, there is no there is no normal.

969
00:46:55,935 --> 00:46:58,694
Speaker 1: There is no normal, and there's no overwriting timeline. It's no,

970
00:46:59,134 --> 00:47:01,175
Speaker 1: We're all in our own pathway, and we get really

971
00:47:01,255 --> 00:47:02,175
Speaker 1: hung up on where.

972
00:47:02,055 --> 00:47:04,935
Speaker 3: We should be compared to who, Yeah, compared to who,

973
00:47:05,015 --> 00:47:09,535
Speaker 3: and what timeline and what trajectory. But I honestly now

974
00:47:09,654 --> 00:47:15,495
Speaker 3: sincerely look at at my identity not being disconnected from

975
00:47:15,535 --> 00:47:18,535
Speaker 3: work and being really happy with yeah, who I am

976
00:47:18,575 --> 00:47:21,015
Speaker 3: and what I stand for and my values and all

977
00:47:21,055 --> 00:47:23,254
Speaker 3: that sort of stuff. But it's taken a long time.

978
00:47:25,295 --> 00:47:28,135
Speaker 3: It's taken a Rubik's cube of pivoting and twisting and molding,

979
00:47:28,335 --> 00:47:28,975
Speaker 3: and so for.

980
00:47:29,415 --> 00:47:33,815
Speaker 1: Any other more aspiring pivots, perhaps other people who were earlier,

981
00:47:34,575 --> 00:47:39,495
Speaker 1: Oh the pivot curious, which ISI curious, which is probably

982
00:47:39,535 --> 00:47:43,134
Speaker 1: a big subsection of society. But other young Australians, you know,

983
00:47:43,214 --> 00:47:45,734
Speaker 1: particularly who might be feeling the crunch of the cost

984
00:47:45,775 --> 00:47:48,815
Speaker 1: of living like you were, all the relentless pace of society,

985
00:47:50,174 --> 00:47:53,734
Speaker 1: what would you say to them about what a successful

986
00:47:53,734 --> 00:47:55,095
Speaker 1: pivot looks like? Now? True?

987
00:47:55,895 --> 00:47:58,015
Speaker 3: Well, I think that the question that I asked myself

988
00:47:58,055 --> 00:47:59,734
Speaker 3: that was really helpful is like, what do I need

989
00:47:59,815 --> 00:48:01,535
Speaker 3: to surrender to us? I think I said that before,

990
00:48:01,575 --> 00:48:04,454
Speaker 3: but like the question of like, and also what would

991
00:48:04,694 --> 00:48:06,614
Speaker 3: bring me more peace? What would make my life easier?

992
00:48:06,895 --> 00:48:08,855
Speaker 3: But what is a successful pivot? I guess I don't know.

993
00:48:09,055 --> 00:48:11,735
Speaker 3: I guess I think you're always going to learn something.

994
00:48:12,055 --> 00:48:13,734
Speaker 3: You can only learn so much in one place. So

995
00:48:13,935 --> 00:48:16,975
Speaker 3: I think that putting yourself in a new environment you

996
00:48:17,094 --> 00:48:19,214
Speaker 3: hate it, you've learned that you've hated it, or you've

997
00:48:19,255 --> 00:48:21,854
Speaker 3: learned you don't like it. So for me, I don't

998
00:48:21,895 --> 00:48:25,375
Speaker 3: think there's ever been a pivot that is not paid

999
00:48:25,415 --> 00:48:28,734
Speaker 3: off in some way. If speaking frankly, I actually didn't

1000
00:48:28,775 --> 00:48:31,254
Speaker 3: really enjoy my time living in London, purely from where

1001
00:48:31,335 --> 00:48:33,294
Speaker 3: I was at as a twenty four year old and I.

1002
00:48:33,375 --> 00:48:35,814
Speaker 1: Was so broke, so like, that was not you can't

1003
00:48:35,855 --> 00:48:36,414
Speaker 1: enjoy the scene?

1004
00:48:38,255 --> 00:48:41,455
Speaker 3: Yeah it was, Yeah, it was just stressful. But then

1005
00:48:42,295 --> 00:48:45,655
Speaker 3: leaving that, I went like, oh, that's actually where I started,

1006
00:48:45,734 --> 00:48:47,214
Speaker 3: Like I met someone who was making content in that

1007
00:48:47,335 --> 00:48:48,694
Speaker 3: pine and dot seed, and I was like, well, had

1008
00:48:48,734 --> 00:48:51,055
Speaker 3: I not done that, all of this other stuff wouldn't

1009
00:48:51,055 --> 00:48:54,335
Speaker 3: have happened as well. And so again much easier to

1010
00:48:54,335 --> 00:48:56,815
Speaker 3: connect the dots looking backwards. But at the time you're like,

1011
00:48:56,935 --> 00:48:59,734
Speaker 3: this doesn't feel like it's right for me, or yeah,

1012
00:49:00,134 --> 00:49:02,734
Speaker 3: but it ultimately has paid off, I think.

1013
00:49:02,815 --> 00:49:05,335
Speaker 1: And I also think that finding out you don't like

1014
00:49:05,575 --> 00:49:08,214
Speaker 1: something is actually as valuable as finding out you do,

1015
00:49:08,335 --> 00:49:10,254
Speaker 1: because you don't know until you try it.

1016
00:49:10,415 --> 00:49:13,694
Speaker 3: One percent. I really really agree with that. And but yeah,

1017
00:49:13,935 --> 00:49:16,134
Speaker 3: falling trap to not trying something out of fear of

1018
00:49:16,174 --> 00:49:19,694
Speaker 3: not enjoying it would be dangerous. I think. Yeah, yeah,

1019
00:49:19,815 --> 00:49:22,495
Speaker 3: but peer pressure is really really real, even as an adult,

1020
00:49:22,895 --> 00:49:26,175
Speaker 3: and I see it amongst you know, my peers sometimes

1021
00:49:26,255 --> 00:49:31,335
Speaker 3: when just a collective consciousness can sweep through a decision

1022
00:49:31,734 --> 00:49:35,375
Speaker 3: or create new norms, to create new norms that everyone

1023
00:49:35,455 --> 00:49:37,415
Speaker 3: that I know is financially stressed or we just accept it.

1024
00:49:37,775 --> 00:49:39,855
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're just like, this is just being in my thirties.

1025
00:49:40,295 --> 00:49:40,855
Speaker 1: How it should be.

1026
00:49:41,174 --> 00:49:44,814
Speaker 3: It should be as opposed to being like why though? Yeah? Yeah,

1027
00:49:45,055 --> 00:49:48,815
Speaker 3: but it does take some deep introspective conversation with yourself

1028
00:49:48,895 --> 00:49:52,134
Speaker 3: and figuring out if it's if you're happy or who

1029
00:49:52,174 --> 00:49:52,935
Speaker 3: are you playing this for?

1030
00:49:53,255 --> 00:49:56,334
Speaker 1: Well, I think you have already in this episode given

1031
00:49:56,495 --> 00:50:00,935
Speaker 1: our listeners so much inspiration to start having those introspective

1032
00:50:00,975 --> 00:50:03,215
Speaker 1: conversations if they haven't, because a lot of people haven't,

1033
00:50:03,375 --> 00:50:06,535
Speaker 1: and you're a really amazing exis sample of what you

1034
00:50:06,775 --> 00:50:08,934
Speaker 1: can do when you do reach that point.

1035
00:50:09,255 --> 00:50:11,334
Speaker 3: I think this pivot in particular, but I think had

1036
00:50:11,415 --> 00:50:13,614
Speaker 3: we done this podcast eighteen months ago, you would have

1037
00:50:13,694 --> 00:50:14,614
Speaker 3: caught me at my wits ends.

1038
00:50:16,134 --> 00:50:17,095
Speaker 1: The timing of the universe.

1039
00:50:17,174 --> 00:50:19,495
Speaker 3: The timing of the universe has been perfect, but yeah,

1040
00:50:19,614 --> 00:50:24,654
Speaker 3: I think thinking back to that time, the restlessness restlessness

1041
00:50:24,775 --> 00:50:28,215
Speaker 3: causes for a pivot, I think, yeah, yeah, that's a takeaway.

1042
00:50:29,255 --> 00:50:29,815
Speaker 1: That was amazing.

1043
00:50:29,975 --> 00:50:30,214
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1044
00:50:34,495 --> 00:50:36,854
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1045
00:50:36,895 --> 00:50:39,134
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1049
00:50:48,495 --> 00:50:50,055
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00:50:50,415 --> 00:50:53,415
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1051
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