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Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma mea.

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Speaker 2: Podcast from Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill, your daily

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Speaker 2: pop culture fix. I'm Laura Prodnick and I'm am Vernon

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Speaker 2: and I can't believe I'm about to say this. I

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Speaker 2: have waited a year and twenty one years before that

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Speaker 2: to say these words. But this is our brutally honest

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Speaker 2: review of Wicked for Good.

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Speaker 1: For Good, and now you went to harmonize good.

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Speaker 2: You put the lyrics to a different song. But that's okay.

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Speaker 2: I don't think anyone on this.

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Speaker 1: For good. It's Cynthia Josh Clut, one of our video producers,

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Speaker 1: Josh Clut.

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Speaker 2: We're in a soundproof studio and Emily's just permeated the

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Speaker 2: soundproof walls. The story double glass door.

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Speaker 3: Again.

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Speaker 2: Cynthia would be so proud is the good.

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Speaker 1: It's the work of read.

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Speaker 3: You can weave that wand all you want, but you

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Speaker 3: have no real power.

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Speaker 2: I'm a public figure.

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Speaker 3: Now people expect me to fly. Be encouraging.

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Speaker 1: Because it helps, and it's flying to Disco. I'm lo

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Speaker 1: have to see the Wizard.

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Speaker 2: So Wicked for Good has now been in cinemas for

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Speaker 2: over a week. We were lucky enough to see it early,

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Speaker 2: so we've really been permeating our thoughts. And you know

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Speaker 2: what's interesting that I was thinking before we came in

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Speaker 2: here is that we attended the premiere together and we

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Speaker 2: and video producer between us, and we actually haven't discussed

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Speaker 2: this movie. I have no idea we have not purposely.

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Speaker 2: Obviously you didn't think about this, but I was like,

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Speaker 2: we're going to save all of our thoughts for this room.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know whether you I've been avoiding you

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Speaker 3: like the plague, Oh my god, like you're a.

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Speaker 2: Green skinned girl in the world of Oz, I know

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Speaker 2: that story. Initial thoughts, Okay, firstly, yeah, the premiere, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Wow, this doesn't bode well for the rest of the movie.

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Speaker 2: Are you serious? Imagine if we just cut the episode here.

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Speaker 1: In the party, love the food. Look the movie for me,

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Speaker 1: initial thoughts was like not better, not worse than the

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Speaker 1: first one. It just felt like, obviously it is an

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Speaker 1: extended version of the first one, and they filmed them

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Speaker 1: back to back, but it just felt like I was

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Speaker 1: watching the first movie again in terms of like theatrics,

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Speaker 1: like acting, cinematography. So I feel like with that because

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Speaker 1: when we did our Bridley Honest review for the first one,

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Speaker 1: which if you haven't listened to, your listened to that.

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Speaker 3: I absolutely listened to. It was the best moment of

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Speaker 3: my life.

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Speaker 1: I show nights for you because we have a lot

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Speaker 1: of episodes between these two, but I remember my initial

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Speaker 1: thoughts for the first one was like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: there's a cinema like the cinematography, but because I already

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess.

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Speaker 2: The first movie, Wicked, which came out over a year ago,

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Speaker 2: has more spectacle, but Wicked for Good has more heart

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Speaker 2: and like it asked more of you, and we'll get

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Speaker 3: It asked more of you as a viewer, but the

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Speaker 1: It's so sad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, did you see my face? I was just

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Speaker 2: talk at the premiere, but did you see my face?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so obviously I sobbed through the original Wicked and

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Speaker 2: and Ariana. Of course you play Alphabet and Glinda in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it wasn't even a cinema, it was like

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And that was a heightened experience and just not

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Speaker 2: I think hit me so hard that I was sobbing

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Speaker 1: Yeah. There was like a lady next to us who

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Speaker 3: Just because my sobs were brickachet.

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Speaker 1: So this that's the fault of the theater.

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Speaker 1: Now this time we were in a proper cinema.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this time we had we had reclining seat. It's

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Speaker 1: Train, so when you were sobbing, I couldn't feel it. No,

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Speaker 1: I feel like this movie, in particular, compared to the

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I just I didn't expect it to hit

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Speaker 2: I started crying in the first when Glinda's up on

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Speaker 2: I didn't expect it to hit me so hard the

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Speaker 2: second time, but it just packs a bigger emotional punch,

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Speaker 2: to the point where I just had like black tears

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Speaker 1: So made it to the after party though, Yeah, looking.

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Speaker 3: Crazy, but that's okay. That's what Wicked does to people.

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Speaker 3: So I'm sure.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's across the law of Wicked. But the original Broadway

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Speaker 2: show came out in two thousand and three, and it's

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Speaker 2: a reimagining of the book by Gregory Maguire called Wicked

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Speaker 2: The Life and Times of the Wicked Witch of the West,

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Speaker 2: which is of course based on the novel The Wonderful

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Speaker 1: And those books are hectic.

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Speaker 2: It's so wild. When everyone says to me, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: I love Wicked. I can't wait to go read the books,

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, the.

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Speaker 1: Books, you're getting a different story, girl.

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Speaker 3: You are getting the wildest story.

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Speaker 1: Can I just say I really liked the Wicked I

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Speaker 2: Did you must try?

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Speaker 1: I warned you. Yeah, it was too scary.

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Speaker 2: They're so dense, they're much more politically minded. Also, Elfa

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Speaker 2: brang Glinda not friends friends for a tiny moment, but.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the music really ran with that.

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Speaker 2: The musical really takes that one page, which I guess

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Speaker 2: is like the whole magic of the story, and reimagined

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Speaker 2: And so there was a lot of contention when director

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Speaker 1: I knew because I watched the musical twice before I

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Speaker 1: and all of that just happens in the first half. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and the second half is just like, oh my god.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. As the biggest Wicked fan in

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Speaker 1: I think you had to watch the first film again

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, if you're not across.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is like someone who's watched the musical

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that's a question a lot of people have.

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Speaker 2: And here's the thing I guess is like, it's interesting that,

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Speaker 3: Really because but the best songs are in the second half.

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Speaker 3: But I'm depressed as but the most beautiful moments are.

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Speaker 2: I actually do believe that the best moments are in

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Speaker 1: You won't understand this single. Imagine that's something my dad

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Speaker 1: And he'll be like and then he was a Scarecrow's like,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is not the Wizard of Dad.

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Speaker 2: So our first scene showing Alphaba is to show that

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Speaker 2: And then we see that deserved yeah exactly, as we

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Speaker 2: then we find Glinda is very much become the puppet

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Speaker 2: their anti Alphaba, and she's.

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Speaker 3: Loving it, and she's well, I think she's she is conflicted.

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Speaker 2: She's loving it because, as we know from her extended

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Speaker 3: It is all she's ever wanted.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Munchkins are like that evil witch deserves to die,

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Speaker 1: and she's like, wait a minute, I can say that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't say exactly. That's my friend won't acknowledge publicly.

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Speaker 2: And we also see her surprise Pharaoh on stage with

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Speaker 1: Honestly, I think that's what we need to be doing there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I want to see the horse and everything he's

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Speaker 2: I think that's going to happen. Jonathan Bailey goes nowhere

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe they'll be an expose one day. Okay, so

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Speaker 2: I just feel like it's important in thematic universe. So

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Speaker 1: He was just angry the whole time.

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Speaker 1: He was like, hey, Nessa, so now that, like you're said, Oled,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, I didn't like that scene when they were fighting.

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Speaker 1: Catch a break with anyone. Yeah, she's just probably flying

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Speaker 2: This is to be getting received, so love of.

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Speaker 1: Her life's chasing her down. Her best friend doesn't want

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Speaker 3: I know she's in a rough spot, That's what I think.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I actually think even Slater's.

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Speaker 2: Great in this for all. You know what he's better in,

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Speaker 2: and his reward from that is being enslaved by her

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Speaker 2: because he's the only one who's ever shown her affection.

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Speaker 2: Like their storyline before the whole transformation is so beautifully tragic.

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Speaker 2: Why because he's short? No annoys me about people too.

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Speaker 3: He was like, why A, you're not pretty sure.

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Speaker 1: Okay? He's like, look at me. I'm bock, Glinda because

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about movie on Glinda, I love you. Glinda's like,

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Speaker 1: I don't love you. I love Fierro. Box's like, oh no,

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Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. Oh my god, the love of my life, Glinda,

441
00:19:04,394 --> 00:19:06,674
Speaker 1: who's never given me time of day, is getting married

442
00:19:06,674 --> 00:19:08,754
Speaker 1: to the love of her life. Yeah, I must go

443
00:19:08,834 --> 00:19:11,634
Speaker 1: stop it, even though she has no idea who I am. Sorry, Nessa,

444
00:19:11,954 --> 00:19:13,674
Speaker 1: I know that I said, I stay with you forever.

445
00:19:13,794 --> 00:19:16,594
Speaker 1: But I'm actually leaving, see ya. And then he gets

446
00:19:16,634 --> 00:19:19,434
Speaker 1: to the train station and not only does he get banned,

447
00:19:19,474 --> 00:19:22,154
Speaker 1: but he's banned all of the Munchkins. Everyone's like, Buck,

448
00:19:23,834 --> 00:19:25,434
Speaker 1: none of us can go to Emerald City.

449
00:19:25,514 --> 00:19:28,594
Speaker 2: He didn't mean to do that, he did. First of all,

450
00:19:28,594 --> 00:19:30,394
Speaker 2: that was a wild fabrication of the events.

451
00:19:30,474 --> 00:19:32,954
Speaker 1: I was like, literally, you don't even watch the first

452
00:19:32,954 --> 00:19:33,513
Speaker 1: movie now.

453
00:19:33,554 --> 00:19:35,154
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, exactly, you lived it there.

454
00:19:35,714 --> 00:19:38,353
Speaker 2: His interpretation of it is that Glinda asked him to

455
00:19:38,354 --> 00:19:39,714
Speaker 2: do this favor and he did it, and so he

456
00:19:39,714 --> 00:19:42,114
Speaker 2: thinks there's a connection also as those flashbacks if we

457
00:19:42,154 --> 00:19:44,434
Speaker 2: see them all at college together and out in the field

458
00:19:44,434 --> 00:19:46,234
Speaker 2: and spending time, like, there's so much time that they

459
00:19:46,234 --> 00:19:47,994
Speaker 2: have spent together that's been off screen.

460
00:19:48,154 --> 00:19:49,874
Speaker 3: So you're mentioned I wanted to.

461
00:19:49,794 --> 00:19:50,514
Speaker 1: See that time.

462
00:19:50,834 --> 00:19:53,513
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have some questions make a third movie, and

463
00:19:53,554 --> 00:19:55,514
Speaker 2: it's just the time at university that we didn't see.

464
00:19:55,554 --> 00:19:55,874
Speaker 1: Yeah.

465
00:19:55,914 --> 00:19:59,074
Speaker 2: I actually think boch apart from becoming the tin men

466
00:19:59,234 --> 00:20:03,194
Speaker 2: and like losing his humanity, the biggest punishment for him,

467
00:20:03,794 --> 00:20:05,994
Speaker 2: and that it's almost done with a real coldness, is

468
00:20:06,034 --> 00:20:07,834
Speaker 2: you know, when he's back in there city and he's

469
00:20:07,874 --> 00:20:10,914
Speaker 2: trying to rally people to go after Alphaba, after the

470
00:20:10,954 --> 00:20:14,594
Speaker 2: Wicked Witch, and he's screaming with fury, and he looks

471
00:20:14,674 --> 00:20:16,994
Speaker 2: up and he sees Glinda just looking down at him

472
00:20:16,994 --> 00:20:20,674
Speaker 2: with this detached, almost like hatred and sense of betrayal

473
00:20:20,754 --> 00:20:23,754
Speaker 2: on her face. And I think that that is almost

474
00:20:23,914 --> 00:20:26,914
Speaker 2: crueler than what happened to his body, because everything, like

475
00:20:26,994 --> 00:20:29,714
Speaker 2: this character has been motivated by being with this woman,

476
00:20:30,274 --> 00:20:32,074
Speaker 2: and then at the end of the day, all of

477
00:20:32,114 --> 00:20:34,554
Speaker 2: his actions led him to be reviled by the one

478
00:20:34,594 --> 00:20:35,434
Speaker 2: person he loved.

479
00:20:36,074 --> 00:20:37,914
Speaker 3: And so it's almost like a forgotten.

480
00:20:37,674 --> 00:20:39,714
Speaker 2: Tragedy of the movie that people like, oh, yeah, got

481
00:20:39,754 --> 00:20:41,954
Speaker 2: turned whatever, kind of like we just move on from

482
00:20:41,994 --> 00:20:45,954
Speaker 2: that so quickly, because yeah, and that's the one thing

483
00:20:45,994 --> 00:20:47,914
Speaker 2: he cared about. Everything decision he made and.

484
00:20:48,274 --> 00:20:53,314
Speaker 1: Lost her jewelry, it's all attached to him, so dat data.

485
00:20:53,594 --> 00:20:54,114
Speaker 1: It is just.

486
00:20:56,154 --> 00:20:58,754
Speaker 2: You're just like so flipp about this. It is a

487
00:20:58,794 --> 00:21:01,914
Speaker 2: great tragedy of Wicked I'll just keep going that the

488
00:21:02,034 --> 00:21:04,954
Speaker 2: character who's every decision was made by his heart ended

489
00:21:05,034 --> 00:21:08,354
Speaker 2: up losing it. And if you read the propaganda that

490
00:21:08,434 --> 00:21:10,234
Speaker 2: is the Wizard of Oars and watch that movie, you

491
00:21:10,274 --> 00:21:12,833
Speaker 2: think that he is this kind of kind being. But

492
00:21:12,914 --> 00:21:16,394
Speaker 2: we just know The Truth was one of my favorite movies.

493
00:21:16,434 --> 00:21:18,354
Speaker 2: I've got to say, until I read and saw Wicked.

494
00:21:18,394 --> 00:21:19,553
Speaker 2: Now I'm just like, I can't be a part of

495
00:21:19,554 --> 00:21:24,474
Speaker 2: propaganda and lies. Sorry, I can't write history.

496
00:21:24,714 --> 00:21:28,234
Speaker 1: I thought, like the transformation and the design guy they

497
00:21:28,274 --> 00:21:31,394
Speaker 1: went with the tin Man was so good, incredible, so

498
00:21:31,554 --> 00:21:34,114
Speaker 1: spot on, and so true to the original tin Man

499
00:21:34,274 --> 00:21:36,394
Speaker 1: in The Wizard of Oz. Yeah, like I love that

500
00:21:36,474 --> 00:21:39,634
Speaker 1: they didn't make it like modernize it. Yeah, Like it

501
00:21:39,714 --> 00:21:41,714
Speaker 1: just looked incredible, like an actual costume.

502
00:21:41,834 --> 00:21:44,714
Speaker 2: It looked incredible, and it also felt like it was

503
00:21:44,834 --> 00:21:46,594
Speaker 2: in the original story and books. It felt like a

504
00:21:46,594 --> 00:21:49,594
Speaker 2: punishment and a curse rather than just like a reshaping

505
00:21:49,634 --> 00:21:52,194
Speaker 2: of his body, especially because you can see that the

506
00:21:52,194 --> 00:21:54,594
Speaker 2: way Ethan Slater does his movements.

507
00:21:54,674 --> 00:21:55,594
Speaker 1: He looks like he's in pain.

508
00:21:55,634 --> 00:21:57,593
Speaker 2: He was like he's in pain every time he moves,

509
00:21:57,634 --> 00:22:00,314
Speaker 2: and that he's been kind of everything about his body

510
00:22:00,434 --> 00:22:03,634
Speaker 2: has been taken away from him. And so that's completely

511
00:22:03,634 --> 00:22:05,074
Speaker 2: tragic and a scarecrow.

512
00:22:05,234 --> 00:22:05,793
Speaker 1: We'll get to you.

513
00:22:05,914 --> 00:22:11,114
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get to that later, because I have never

514
00:22:11,274 --> 00:22:12,194
Speaker 2: seen a refaction.

515
00:22:12,834 --> 00:22:13,833
Speaker 3: Why do they do it?

516
00:22:13,874 --> 00:22:16,834
Speaker 2: We'll get to it. We'll get to it. And of course,

517
00:22:16,874 --> 00:22:18,474
Speaker 2: so much about going, I'm just gopt to push that

518
00:22:18,594 --> 00:22:20,154
Speaker 2: so much about like kind of going back and forth

519
00:22:20,154 --> 00:22:22,874
Speaker 2: between Nesso's obviously knowing that later on in the movie

520
00:22:22,954 --> 00:22:25,234
Speaker 2: she's going to be used as a ploy to draw

521
00:22:25,274 --> 00:22:28,274
Speaker 2: Alpha Bury in, but also the slippers on her feet

522
00:22:28,714 --> 00:22:31,513
Speaker 2: being the catalyst that kind of draws Elpha Burr England

523
00:22:31,554 --> 00:22:34,114
Speaker 2: together later on. I can always hear people whispering around

524
00:22:34,154 --> 00:22:35,714
Speaker 2: me in the cetem are like one, are the shoes

525
00:22:35,794 --> 00:22:37,194
Speaker 2: going to turn red? And I'm like, no, no, guys,

526
00:22:37,514 --> 00:22:39,274
Speaker 2: the shoes are not meant to be red. The revie

527
00:22:39,474 --> 00:22:41,794
Speaker 2: red slippers is another lie fed to us by the

528
00:22:41,834 --> 00:22:44,754
Speaker 2: Wizard of Oz because in the books, in the original

529
00:22:44,794 --> 00:22:47,274
Speaker 2: Wizard of Oz books, the shoes are always silver. Yeah,

530
00:22:47,354 --> 00:22:49,394
Speaker 2: and in the other following books the book the shoes

531
00:22:49,394 --> 00:22:52,074
Speaker 2: are silver. The reason they made them read in the

532
00:22:52,434 --> 00:22:55,234
Speaker 2: movie The Wizard of Oz is because they had this

533
00:22:55,354 --> 00:22:57,114
Speaker 2: new little fun thing called technicolor.

534
00:22:57,594 --> 00:22:59,194
Speaker 3: Like, look at us put color from this movie.

535
00:22:59,154 --> 00:23:01,394
Speaker 1: One of the first movies that had color around. That's

536
00:23:01,394 --> 00:23:02,874
Speaker 1: why they'd made a whole big deal of like the

537
00:23:02,954 --> 00:23:04,674
Speaker 1: first bit of the movies, like in black and white

538
00:23:04,914 --> 00:23:06,634
Speaker 1: and she gets into os and it's all color.

539
00:23:06,714 --> 00:23:08,874
Speaker 2: Can I say that is one of the greatest shots

540
00:23:08,914 --> 00:23:10,954
Speaker 2: in history. I rewatched it recently with one of my

541
00:23:10,994 --> 00:23:12,513
Speaker 2: nephews because I wanted him to see The Wizard of

542
00:23:12,554 --> 00:23:13,994
Speaker 2: Oz for the first time when I was there so

543
00:23:14,034 --> 00:23:15,154
Speaker 2: I could give him a commentary.

544
00:23:15,194 --> 00:23:15,954
Speaker 1: Steps out and.

545
00:23:16,034 --> 00:23:17,793
Speaker 3: He opens the door, and even my little six year

546
00:23:17,794 --> 00:23:18,273
Speaker 3: o nephew was.

547
00:23:18,274 --> 00:23:21,513
Speaker 1: Like, because, like, yeah, the whole magic. It's like proper magic.

548
00:23:21,714 --> 00:23:24,354
Speaker 2: And so when they tried that in the original Wisdo

549
00:23:24,354 --> 00:23:26,674
Speaker 2: of Oz movie, the silver shoes just didn't pop on.

550
00:23:26,754 --> 00:23:28,114
Speaker 3: Screen, so they made them red.

551
00:23:28,554 --> 00:23:30,354
Speaker 2: So I think it's important that they kept them silver

552
00:23:30,474 --> 00:23:32,914
Speaker 2: in this movie, true to the original material. But the

553
00:23:32,994 --> 00:23:35,394
Speaker 2: costume designer, who I hope within another Oscar, because the

554
00:23:35,394 --> 00:23:38,434
Speaker 2: costumes in this are incredible, put some little extra details

555
00:23:38,474 --> 00:23:40,714
Speaker 2: that have never been seen before. There are little tornadoes

556
00:23:40,754 --> 00:23:42,674
Speaker 2: in the side of the shoes to kind of allude

557
00:23:42,754 --> 00:23:45,114
Speaker 2: to what's happening. Yeah, incredible, and.

558
00:23:45,114 --> 00:23:47,154
Speaker 1: Then when they burn up, they go red. So I'm like,

559
00:23:47,354 --> 00:23:47,834
Speaker 1: you get your.

560
00:23:47,794 --> 00:23:49,513
Speaker 2: Bit, Yeah, you get your moments. That's a bit a

561
00:23:49,514 --> 00:23:52,954
Speaker 2: little homage. So coming back to where Alphaba and Glinda are,

562
00:23:53,194 --> 00:23:57,434
Speaker 2: where we see Alphabra arrive on Glinda's balcony door on

563
00:23:57,514 --> 00:23:59,714
Speaker 2: the night of her wedding, perfect timing. Yeah, and for

564
00:23:59,794 --> 00:24:01,434
Speaker 2: a moment there you think that she's going to come

565
00:24:01,514 --> 00:24:02,834
Speaker 2: back into the fold of the Wizard.

566
00:24:03,234 --> 00:24:06,914
Speaker 1: I think like that scene kind of set the levels

567
00:24:06,954 --> 00:24:10,273
Speaker 1: of emotion for me, because right up until then when

568
00:24:10,314 --> 00:24:13,714
Speaker 1: they were separated, the like emotional and tragic level for

569
00:24:14,034 --> 00:24:17,593
Speaker 1: Alphabo is so heightened, like everything was like messing up,

570
00:24:17,834 --> 00:24:21,474
Speaker 1: Like even the animals weren't trusting her. Cowardly lion, come on,

571
00:24:21,634 --> 00:24:22,314
Speaker 1: you saved your life.

572
00:24:22,634 --> 00:24:25,194
Speaker 3: But yeah again talk about propaganda.

573
00:24:24,914 --> 00:24:27,354
Speaker 1: And he's like, she stole me, and I'm like, leap

574
00:24:27,554 --> 00:24:27,714
Speaker 1: did she?

575
00:24:27,834 --> 00:24:30,194
Speaker 2: Kind of like Colman Dimingo's voice every time the Lion spoke,

576
00:24:30,274 --> 00:24:32,234
Speaker 2: I was like, hey, Lion, I hate you. But also

577
00:24:35,074 --> 00:24:37,794
Speaker 2: you're like, why am I sexually attracted to the cowardly Lion?

578
00:24:37,954 --> 00:24:40,994
Speaker 2: It's not my fault. That's the power of Colemon Domingo's voice.

579
00:24:41,474 --> 00:24:44,994
Speaker 2: It came through the screen at me, and I already

580
00:24:45,034 --> 00:24:47,674
Speaker 2: confused because I found the tin man hot ice and

581
00:24:47,914 --> 00:24:50,834
Speaker 2: obviously fod a scare hot. Later on, it's too much

582
00:24:50,994 --> 00:24:56,354
Speaker 2: this movie. The Vice Master Wizard also hot with such

583
00:24:56,394 --> 00:24:59,594
Speaker 2: a looser Just forget me out of this world. It's

584
00:24:59,634 --> 00:25:01,314
Speaker 2: too sexually confusing. I hate it.

585
00:25:02,034 --> 00:25:05,834
Speaker 1: So she's at Glinda's door and it's almost like now

586
00:25:05,954 --> 00:25:08,754
Speaker 1: they've both established their sisters. It's like the way you

587
00:25:08,874 --> 00:25:11,794
Speaker 1: talk to your sister, where like Glinda is pretty much like,

588
00:25:12,154 --> 00:25:13,994
Speaker 1: come on, dude, let's just go talk to him. Like

589
00:25:14,114 --> 00:25:16,394
Speaker 1: it's not that serious. Yeah, the steaks could not be

590
00:25:16,394 --> 00:25:18,354
Speaker 1: a lot for her, for her the stake, that's like

591
00:25:18,434 --> 00:25:20,954
Speaker 1: when That's how I liked the clash between them. Yeah,

592
00:25:20,954 --> 00:25:24,154
Speaker 1: because Alphabet's like, literally the world is burning down, like

593
00:25:24,314 --> 00:25:25,954
Speaker 1: it's so messed up out there, and she's like, dude,

594
00:25:26,034 --> 00:25:26,594
Speaker 1: just talk to him.

595
00:25:26,954 --> 00:25:28,833
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, that's it's my wedding night.

596
00:25:28,914 --> 00:25:29,234
Speaker 1: Let's just go.

597
00:25:29,394 --> 00:25:29,554
Speaker 2: Yeah.

598
00:25:29,634 --> 00:25:31,074
Speaker 3: She's like, I've got a dress up, what birds help

599
00:25:31,114 --> 00:25:31,674
Speaker 3: me get dressed?

600
00:25:31,674 --> 00:25:33,194
Speaker 2: I need to go, And even the wizards like, oh

601
00:25:33,274 --> 00:25:37,874
Speaker 2: hey again, security, nowhere can I just I'm actually just

602
00:25:37,914 --> 00:25:39,994
Speaker 2: realized why the beginning of the movie felt so jarring

603
00:25:40,034 --> 00:25:42,194
Speaker 2: to me. Now, it's because I think they did this

604
00:25:42,354 --> 00:25:44,834
Speaker 2: because they wanted the audience to not start on such

605
00:25:44,874 --> 00:25:47,514
Speaker 2: a heightened note. But in the top of the musical,

606
00:25:47,674 --> 00:25:49,874
Speaker 2: when Alphaba and Glinda come back together, they're a lot

607
00:25:49,914 --> 00:25:52,994
Speaker 2: angrier at each other and their remarks are a lot

608
00:25:53,074 --> 00:25:57,474
Speaker 2: more cutting, like when Alphabe really taunts Glinda for almost

609
00:25:57,554 --> 00:26:01,114
Speaker 2: accepting all of these different bribes. And in the stage

610
00:26:01,114 --> 00:26:02,674
Speaker 2: show version, which I know the movie you have to

611
00:26:02,714 --> 00:26:04,714
Speaker 2: watch it with different eyes, but sometimes I'm like, there's

612
00:26:04,714 --> 00:26:07,354
Speaker 2: a reason storytelling happens in a certain way in the

613
00:26:07,434 --> 00:26:09,714
Speaker 2: stage show where they're having that back and forth and

614
00:26:09,754 --> 00:26:11,914
Speaker 2: she's like, well, we kin'd all travel by bubble, and

615
00:26:11,994 --> 00:26:13,313
Speaker 2: in this she kind of says it with a bit

616
00:26:13,314 --> 00:26:15,034
Speaker 2: of an endeary like in the movie version, well we

617
00:26:15,154 --> 00:26:17,593
Speaker 2: kind of travel by bubble. Like It's such a subtle difference,

618
00:26:17,634 --> 00:26:21,034
Speaker 2: but yeah, it completely changes the tone of where these

619
00:26:21,154 --> 00:26:24,074
Speaker 2: characters are and what their relationship is to each other.

620
00:26:24,194 --> 00:26:27,074
Speaker 2: After that moment of your mental sort of think that

621
00:26:27,154 --> 00:26:29,594
Speaker 2: they had this big moment and then they both chose

622
00:26:29,634 --> 00:26:32,714
Speaker 2: different sides, and when they come back together, the tension

623
00:26:32,794 --> 00:26:33,514
Speaker 2: between it has.

624
00:26:33,514 --> 00:26:35,274
Speaker 3: Built, whereas that didn't happen in the movie.

625
00:26:35,674 --> 00:26:38,554
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I also found that very similar to even

626
00:26:38,674 --> 00:26:42,474
Speaker 1: the really really sad scenes. Like it's like the musical

627
00:26:42,634 --> 00:26:46,354
Speaker 1: was like extremes, yeah, and then the movie was also extremes,

628
00:26:46,434 --> 00:26:49,273
Speaker 1: but like on a level a bit below, and so

629
00:26:49,354 --> 00:26:51,994
Speaker 1: it wasn't as sad as it was still so sad,

630
00:26:52,034 --> 00:26:53,594
Speaker 1: but it wasn't as sad as a musical.

631
00:26:53,794 --> 00:26:55,594
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that is something that you kind of

632
00:26:55,674 --> 00:26:57,834
Speaker 2: just have to work into having a gear gap, because

633
00:26:57,834 --> 00:27:00,114
Speaker 2: you've got to think in a stage musical, you've been outside,

634
00:27:00,154 --> 00:27:02,434
Speaker 2: you've hopefully got another glass of wine, you've come back in,

635
00:27:02,594 --> 00:27:04,874
Speaker 2: you've had like thirty minutes, you're still in that really

636
00:27:04,954 --> 00:27:05,714
Speaker 2: heightened stage.

637
00:27:05,794 --> 00:27:08,674
Speaker 1: So and you're so invested in the characters that whole time.

638
00:27:08,714 --> 00:27:10,314
Speaker 2: And so when you come back in, you need the

639
00:27:10,434 --> 00:27:13,634
Speaker 2: character action on stage to match your height and emotions.

640
00:27:13,234 --> 00:27:15,314
Speaker 1: And they have to like get your trust again.

641
00:27:15,514 --> 00:27:18,234
Speaker 2: Yeah, whereas in the movie he knows the audience is

642
00:27:18,274 --> 00:27:20,194
Speaker 2: coming out on that lower emotional level and we have

643
00:27:20,314 --> 00:27:22,114
Speaker 2: to build up together. So I kind of get it

644
00:27:22,194 --> 00:27:25,434
Speaker 2: that the bubble is such a metaphor for Glinda because

645
00:27:25,914 --> 00:27:28,634
Speaker 2: it's this floating symbol of her not being the thing

646
00:27:28,754 --> 00:27:30,714
Speaker 2: she wants to be, which she wants to be seen

647
00:27:30,794 --> 00:27:33,474
Speaker 2: as powerful, she wants to be seen as worthy, and

648
00:27:33,874 --> 00:27:36,074
Speaker 2: even though she's got that on the surface, she's still

649
00:27:36,154 --> 00:27:39,394
Speaker 2: hiding behind. Yeah, this trick that they've put in place.

650
00:27:39,754 --> 00:27:42,114
Speaker 2: And it's so interesting because John m chu said his

651
00:27:42,354 --> 00:27:45,354
Speaker 2: motivation for Glinda's character through this movie is like she's

652
00:27:45,354 --> 00:27:46,274
Speaker 2: got to pop her own bubble.

653
00:27:46,314 --> 00:27:47,594
Speaker 3: She's got to pop her own bubble yea.

654
00:27:47,674 --> 00:27:49,874
Speaker 2: And yes she does that physically when she pops the bubble,

655
00:27:49,954 --> 00:27:52,234
Speaker 2: But what his meaning is later on the movie, when

656
00:27:52,274 --> 00:27:54,034
Speaker 2: she pops the bubble for the last time, it's that

657
00:27:54,154 --> 00:27:56,994
Speaker 2: she's popping the bubble around her and this bubble of

658
00:27:57,074 --> 00:28:00,354
Speaker 2: perfection that she wanted and putting herself out into this

659
00:28:00,514 --> 00:28:01,674
Speaker 2: more realistic world.

660
00:28:01,594 --> 00:28:03,674
Speaker 1: And even the bubble of safety. Right, And like when

661
00:28:03,714 --> 00:28:05,994
Speaker 1: you talk about it all the time in like MoMA

662
00:28:06,074 --> 00:28:08,274
Speaker 1: Miya House, sometimes we feel get that we do work

663
00:28:08,754 --> 00:28:10,634
Speaker 1: in a bubble and then we meet someone who's like

664
00:28:10,794 --> 00:28:13,234
Speaker 1: so opposite of us, especially, and we talked about this

665
00:28:13,314 --> 00:28:15,794
Speaker 1: a lot in dating. I'm literally like I forgot people

666
00:28:15,874 --> 00:28:17,554
Speaker 1: like this still exists. Yeah, and that's kind of like

667
00:28:17,594 --> 00:28:19,793
Speaker 1: what Glinda's doing, right, She's putting herself in the bubble

668
00:28:19,994 --> 00:28:22,554
Speaker 1: because you's refusing to see what's actually happening in the

669
00:28:22,634 --> 00:28:25,874
Speaker 1: world around her that she's like now the leader of Yeah.

670
00:28:26,554 --> 00:28:30,194
Speaker 3: Such a good point. And also, guys, guys, huge revelation.

671
00:28:30,314 --> 00:28:35,114
Speaker 2: We wick it's a wicked assault, which I guess is

672
00:28:35,154 --> 00:28:37,954
Speaker 2: why they went so hard with the new song that

673
00:28:38,234 --> 00:28:40,634
Speaker 2: Ariana Grande sings in the movie, which is the girl

674
00:28:40,674 --> 00:28:52,434
Speaker 2: in the bubble beud with a beuiful life, such a beautiful.

675
00:28:53,394 --> 00:28:54,394
Speaker 3: Built tongue lies.

676
00:28:58,034 --> 00:29:00,794
Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna out myself as a betrayal of my religion.

677
00:29:00,954 --> 00:29:04,394
Speaker 2: My religion being Wicked, the musical, the songs, everything, because

678
00:29:04,874 --> 00:29:07,594
Speaker 2: as you know, I only listen to musical and Wicked

679
00:29:07,674 --> 00:29:09,514
Speaker 2: is my favorite musical of all time. I listened to

680
00:29:09,514 --> 00:29:12,274
Speaker 2: the soundtrack over and over again. And so every year

681
00:29:12,354 --> 00:29:17,194
Speaker 2: on Spotify, my top artist is Stephen Schwartz. That's not embarrassing,

682
00:29:17,274 --> 00:29:19,834
Speaker 2: just so you know, that's amazing. Stephen Schwartz, the original

683
00:29:19,914 --> 00:29:23,154
Speaker 2: composer of the Wicked musical. Yeah, a god among men

684
00:29:23,234 --> 00:29:26,754
Speaker 2: somewhere gave us to find gravity, games for good, gave

685
00:29:26,834 --> 00:29:29,554
Speaker 2: us popular Like what can this man not do except

686
00:29:29,594 --> 00:29:34,794
Speaker 2: to write your original song? Yeah, okay, so they had

687
00:29:34,874 --> 00:29:35,914
Speaker 2: to do it for the Oscar.

688
00:29:36,754 --> 00:29:39,234
Speaker 3: That's it. That is what it feels like. So there

689
00:29:39,274 --> 00:29:41,354
Speaker 3: are two new songs in Wicked, which I.

690
00:29:41,634 --> 00:29:44,234
Speaker 1: Was No Place Like Home, Yes, and what was this

691
00:29:44,314 --> 00:29:44,754
Speaker 1: one called?

692
00:29:44,994 --> 00:29:47,634
Speaker 3: So Cynthia Rivo sings no Place Like Home, which is

693
00:29:47,714 --> 00:29:55,154
Speaker 3: her new original song, and.

694
00:29:55,394 --> 00:29:57,354
Speaker 1: You I'm the Wicked Witch of the West.

695
00:30:00,834 --> 00:30:03,034
Speaker 2: Ariana Grande sings the Girl in the Bubble, which is

696
00:30:03,114 --> 00:30:05,954
Speaker 2: her original song, both crafted by the man we were

697
00:30:05,994 --> 00:30:09,914
Speaker 2: listening like play good. I was like, well, just sing

698
00:30:10,034 --> 00:30:12,394
Speaker 2: popular again and I don't care. And so when I

699
00:30:12,434 --> 00:30:13,954
Speaker 2: first heard they were going to be two new songs,

700
00:30:14,154 --> 00:30:15,394
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, am I like to

701
00:30:15,434 --> 00:30:17,434
Speaker 2: get two new best friends in my life? Like that's

702
00:30:17,434 --> 00:30:19,154
Speaker 2: what it feels like, because the Wicked songs make up

703
00:30:19,154 --> 00:30:20,914
Speaker 2: my life and maybe I just had to listen to

704
00:30:20,954 --> 00:30:23,474
Speaker 2: them again and again and again. But these two new

705
00:30:23,554 --> 00:30:25,874
Speaker 2: original Wicked songs did not feel that they had earned

706
00:30:25,914 --> 00:30:28,314
Speaker 2: their place in this movie, is what I'll say to that.

707
00:30:28,554 --> 00:30:31,074
Speaker 2: And I think part of it John m Two, who

708
00:30:31,194 --> 00:30:33,234
Speaker 2: is my guiding light through all this, so that he

709
00:30:33,514 --> 00:30:36,514
Speaker 2: and Stephen Schwartz did this because they had more time

710
00:30:36,594 --> 00:30:39,354
Speaker 2: to fill. They had more space by making two movies,

711
00:30:39,434 --> 00:30:42,194
Speaker 2: and so they wanted to delve deeper into the backstories

712
00:30:42,834 --> 00:30:46,314
Speaker 2: of Alpha, Bart and Glinda, and they just started to

713
00:30:46,354 --> 00:30:48,194
Speaker 2: deal it with these two new original songs.

714
00:30:48,394 --> 00:30:53,354
Speaker 1: Yeah. I wasn't a fan of the extra songs, not

715
00:30:53,514 --> 00:30:55,554
Speaker 1: because I didn't like the songs, but because I think

716
00:30:55,834 --> 00:30:58,794
Speaker 1: developing those characters would have been done better by a

717
00:30:58,954 --> 00:31:03,434
Speaker 1: spoken word like the film. Because even though this film

718
00:31:03,954 --> 00:31:06,474
Speaker 1: was shorter than the first film. I think it was

719
00:31:06,474 --> 00:31:09,834
Speaker 1: like thirty minutes. It felt like there were parts that like,

720
00:31:09,994 --> 00:31:13,074
Speaker 1: and I think it's the two songs I just dragged. Yeah,

721
00:31:13,314 --> 00:31:15,914
Speaker 1: and it made it drag. But also because these two

722
00:31:15,954 --> 00:31:18,314
Speaker 1: new songs made the film feel like it was dragging,

723
00:31:18,874 --> 00:31:20,914
Speaker 1: all the other bits that I really wanted them to

724
00:31:21,074 --> 00:31:24,274
Speaker 1: dive deep on felt rushed. Yes, Like all the like

725
00:31:25,154 --> 00:31:27,274
Speaker 1: multiple plot twists that happened in the end was just

726
00:31:27,354 --> 00:31:29,674
Speaker 1: like bam bam, bam, bam bam. And there were people

727
00:31:29,754 --> 00:31:32,874
Speaker 1: that we went with who hadn't actually seen the musical.

728
00:31:33,234 --> 00:31:34,834
Speaker 2: I wish I could just erase the musical for a

729
00:31:34,914 --> 00:31:37,434
Speaker 2: moment to watch them, which is and I was excited.

730
00:31:37,994 --> 00:31:41,354
Speaker 1: I was excited. I'm gonna out our video producer Michael.

731
00:31:41,354 --> 00:31:43,394
Speaker 1: He hadn't seen the musical, but he watched the first film,

732
00:31:43,914 --> 00:31:44,994
Speaker 1: and I was sitting next to him, so I was

733
00:31:44,994 --> 00:31:47,634
Speaker 1: excited to see his reaction for the plot twist. But

734
00:31:47,754 --> 00:31:50,234
Speaker 1: because they happened so so fast, it didn't actually give

735
00:31:50,314 --> 00:31:52,554
Speaker 1: him a time to register or react what was happening.

736
00:31:53,034 --> 00:31:54,874
Speaker 1: And that's not what I experienced when I watched the

737
00:31:54,954 --> 00:31:57,834
Speaker 1: musical at all. Yeah, the musical, the whole crowd would

738
00:31:57,834 --> 00:32:00,194
Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, yeah.

739
00:32:00,274 --> 00:32:02,114
Speaker 2: No, no, I feel that so much. And one of

740
00:32:02,154 --> 00:32:05,954
Speaker 2: the reasons why these songs didn't work is because Wicked

741
00:32:06,074 --> 00:32:09,514
Speaker 2: is one of those rare, rare, rare musicals where even

742
00:32:09,554 --> 00:32:12,074
Speaker 2: though the songs are incredible, it's actually not about the songs.

743
00:32:12,314 --> 00:32:15,314
Speaker 2: You could take the songs out of Wicked and it

744
00:32:15,354 --> 00:32:18,314
Speaker 2: would still work as a story. I agree, because the

745
00:32:18,394 --> 00:32:21,594
Speaker 2: plot and the characters are so good, So every song

746
00:32:21,754 --> 00:32:24,674
Speaker 2: that's in there needs to really earn its place, and

747
00:32:24,794 --> 00:32:27,114
Speaker 2: the other songs all really earn their place, and I

748
00:32:27,194 --> 00:32:30,514
Speaker 2: feel like each song has when you think about I'm

749
00:32:30,554 --> 00:32:34,154
Speaker 2: not that girl, no good deed, was I really chasing

750
00:32:34,194 --> 00:32:36,554
Speaker 2: good or chasing attention? Like you have all these huge

751
00:32:36,674 --> 00:32:39,594
Speaker 2: moments and like forl good like a handprint on my heart,

752
00:32:39,714 --> 00:32:41,914
Speaker 2: my life has been to you know. They all move

753
00:32:41,994 --> 00:32:45,754
Speaker 2: the plot along in a really important way, and these

754
00:32:45,874 --> 00:32:48,314
Speaker 2: songs just felt like we were stepping into the characters

755
00:32:48,394 --> 00:32:50,834
Speaker 2: world to get a taste of where their mind was at.

756
00:32:50,834 --> 00:32:52,674
Speaker 2: And I was like, I was already there, Yeah, I

757
00:32:52,714 --> 00:32:56,074
Speaker 2: already got it. I get it, alphabet no place like

758
00:32:56,194 --> 00:32:59,154
Speaker 2: I move along go form love with your scarecrew man,

759
00:32:59,714 --> 00:33:01,514
Speaker 2: and what you're saying with the Oscars. It's like, I

760
00:33:01,674 --> 00:33:04,914
Speaker 2: know that every creative person invested in this film and

761
00:33:05,034 --> 00:33:06,754
Speaker 2: the years and years and years and years they spent

762
00:33:06,834 --> 00:33:08,994
Speaker 2: on it, I know that they wouldn't think this, But

763
00:33:09,194 --> 00:33:11,194
Speaker 2: what it comes across to us is the audience. It

764
00:33:11,354 --> 00:33:14,634
Speaker 2: feels like Oscar bait because the thing is like, they

765
00:33:14,754 --> 00:33:17,354
Speaker 2: can't be nominated for those original songs, and they can't

766
00:33:17,394 --> 00:33:20,034
Speaker 2: do a full performance unless they have these new songs

767
00:33:20,074 --> 00:33:21,954
Speaker 2: in the musical, and they wanted to give one to

768
00:33:22,034 --> 00:33:23,954
Speaker 2: Ariana and one to Cynthia, so they both have an

769
00:33:23,994 --> 00:33:26,794
Speaker 2: equal shot in that category, and so they will both

770
00:33:26,834 --> 00:33:29,514
Speaker 2: have a stronger shot in Best Supporting Actress, where we

771
00:33:29,594 --> 00:33:31,914
Speaker 2: know Ariana Grande is going, and Best Actress, where we

772
00:33:31,954 --> 00:33:33,074
Speaker 2: know Cynthia Reva was going.

773
00:33:33,194 --> 00:33:35,514
Speaker 1: I want to talk about that, yes, because obviously know

774
00:33:35,674 --> 00:33:38,994
Speaker 1: that Cynthia is nominated for Best Actress and Ariana's Best

775
00:33:38,994 --> 00:33:43,714
Speaker 1: Supporting Actress. Yeah, this film didn't feel like arian I

776
00:33:43,834 --> 00:33:45,154
Speaker 1: was a supporting actress at all.

777
00:33:45,514 --> 00:33:46,234
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting.

778
00:33:46,274 --> 00:33:48,914
Speaker 2: A few people have brought that up because it's meant

779
00:33:48,954 --> 00:33:51,114
Speaker 2: to be Alphabet's story and it always sounded so weird.

780
00:33:51,234 --> 00:33:53,354
Speaker 2: Not that your opinion's wrong, but when I talk to

781
00:33:53,434 --> 00:33:56,354
Speaker 2: people after they've seen a stage show. And I've heard

782
00:33:56,394 --> 00:33:57,914
Speaker 2: so many people over the years be like, oh, the

783
00:33:57,954 --> 00:34:00,754
Speaker 2: Alphabet character was good, but she can't compare it to Glinda,

784
00:34:01,154 --> 00:34:03,554
Speaker 2: And I'm always just like, did we watch the same show.

785
00:34:03,994 --> 00:34:07,154
Speaker 2: It's Alphabet's story. She has the big powerful moment, she

786
00:34:07,314 --> 00:34:09,873
Speaker 2: has the plot twist, she has the best one liners,

787
00:34:09,953 --> 00:34:13,433
Speaker 2: like it's her movie. And they definitely added a lot

788
00:34:13,554 --> 00:34:17,114
Speaker 2: more in for Ariana Grande and the Glinda character this time.

789
00:34:17,314 --> 00:34:20,234
Speaker 1: I didn't, but I didn't think about that for the musical.

790
00:34:20,354 --> 00:34:21,993
Speaker 1: I thought it was very much like what you said,

791
00:34:22,034 --> 00:34:25,434
Speaker 1: like Alphabet's story. But I definitely thought this part of

792
00:34:25,514 --> 00:34:27,674
Speaker 1: the movie, and even the first movie was alphabet story.

793
00:34:28,034 --> 00:34:30,514
Speaker 1: I definitely thought the second movie was Glinda's story.

794
00:34:30,914 --> 00:34:32,714
Speaker 2: I guess it's the way they chose to open the movie,

795
00:34:32,794 --> 00:34:34,834
Speaker 2: which again is all new stuff that's been added in.

796
00:34:34,994 --> 00:34:38,354
Speaker 2: Is that the first movie opens with Alphabe's backstory as

797
00:34:38,354 --> 00:34:40,754
Speaker 2: a child, and then they cast a child to play

798
00:34:40,994 --> 00:34:43,913
Speaker 2: Glinda in the second movie, so you have flashbacks to her,

799
00:34:44,394 --> 00:34:46,354
Speaker 2: and I guess they do make more of her, like

800
00:34:46,794 --> 00:34:50,473
Speaker 2: stepping up into this leadership role, banishing Madam Morrible, all

801
00:34:50,554 --> 00:34:51,433
Speaker 2: these sorts of things.

802
00:34:51,514 --> 00:34:53,873
Speaker 3: I guess they do lean into that more.

803
00:34:54,314 --> 00:34:55,834
Speaker 2: I don't know. The thing is, they're running them in

804
00:34:55,834 --> 00:34:57,794
Speaker 2: different categories to give them a shot to win. I

805
00:34:57,914 --> 00:35:00,074
Speaker 2: hate when the politics of the oscars, which I love,

806
00:35:00,594 --> 00:35:03,314
Speaker 2: it's my main politics that I thought, not watch Wicked

807
00:35:04,074 --> 00:35:06,794
Speaker 2: exactly what happens when politics gets in the way. I

808
00:35:06,914 --> 00:35:08,754
Speaker 2: love the politics of the Oscars, but I do hate

809
00:35:08,794 --> 00:35:11,034
Speaker 2: when they encroach on my movie watching experience like they

810
00:35:11,074 --> 00:35:13,033
Speaker 2: did here, because it's like, I shouldn't be thinking about

811
00:35:13,034 --> 00:35:15,034
Speaker 2: the best actress race. I shouldn't be thinking about who

812
00:35:15,074 --> 00:35:17,393
Speaker 2: gets to perform best song first. I should be in

813
00:35:17,474 --> 00:35:19,234
Speaker 2: this world. And these songs pulled me out of it.

814
00:35:19,514 --> 00:35:21,234
Speaker 3: Yeah, but then I got pulled back in by some

815
00:35:21,314 --> 00:35:22,274
Speaker 3: of the best songs ever.

816
00:35:23,274 --> 00:35:24,034
Speaker 1: Pulled right back in.

817
00:35:26,314 --> 00:35:28,674
Speaker 2: I think one of the things that works really well

818
00:35:28,794 --> 00:35:31,834
Speaker 2: is that I feel like some people will see Wicked

819
00:35:31,914 --> 00:35:34,514
Speaker 2: for Good and feel like it pales in comparison to

820
00:35:34,794 --> 00:35:37,714
Speaker 2: Wicked the first one, because it's a bit frothier, it's

821
00:35:37,714 --> 00:35:40,114
Speaker 2: a bit popular, it has a more natural beginning and

822
00:35:40,234 --> 00:35:41,914
Speaker 2: end in some ways, and people.

823
00:35:41,874 --> 00:35:44,154
Speaker 1: Know most of the songs in the first part.

824
00:35:44,274 --> 00:35:46,154
Speaker 2: Yes, which is crazy to me, because now that we're

825
00:35:46,194 --> 00:35:48,354
Speaker 2: in the meat of the second half, this is where

826
00:35:48,394 --> 00:35:51,714
Speaker 2: I think the good storytelling happens, and it doesn't just

827
00:35:51,874 --> 00:35:54,354
Speaker 2: happen in the crescendos of these big songs. And this

828
00:35:54,434 --> 00:35:55,994
Speaker 2: is where John and Chua, I'm like, give that man

829
00:35:56,034 --> 00:35:59,033
Speaker 2: an Oscar for directing. He knows that the biggest parts

830
00:35:59,074 --> 00:36:01,474
Speaker 2: of Wicked don't happen in the crescendos. He knows that

831
00:36:01,514 --> 00:36:04,754
Speaker 2: it happens in the quiet moments between songs. And that's

832
00:36:04,834 --> 00:36:06,873
Speaker 2: his best moment as a director, when he holds the

833
00:36:07,594 --> 00:36:10,074
Speaker 2: just on their faces in those really quiet moments and

834
00:36:10,194 --> 00:36:12,634
Speaker 2: we have those moments of betrayal we have. You know,

835
00:36:12,714 --> 00:36:16,234
Speaker 2: my favorite moment is in the movie. It's after Alpha

836
00:36:16,314 --> 00:36:19,553
Speaker 2: Bart and Glinda have had their fight next Tonessa Rosa's grease,

837
00:36:20,194 --> 00:36:23,873
Speaker 2: which is always one of my favorite scenes because the

838
00:36:24,114 --> 00:36:25,954
Speaker 2: physical comedy in that scene.

839
00:36:26,474 --> 00:36:27,274
Speaker 1: Such bad fighters.

840
00:36:29,154 --> 00:36:31,234
Speaker 2: It's always I think about, like in Bridge Dones, like

841
00:36:31,354 --> 00:36:33,834
Speaker 2: that's how men would fight when they're just like half flitting,

842
00:36:33,874 --> 00:36:34,394
Speaker 2: half punched.

843
00:36:34,514 --> 00:36:37,393
Speaker 1: I think that's what they studied Colin first.

844
00:36:40,074 --> 00:36:42,154
Speaker 3: Well, you're just like this is how you would fight.

845
00:36:42,474 --> 00:36:43,993
Speaker 3: You actually at the end of the day, you are.

846
00:36:43,994 --> 00:36:46,274
Speaker 1: But two based on the girls such big dresses.

847
00:36:47,554 --> 00:36:49,953
Speaker 2: And exactly, and Glinda is so tiny and other they're

848
00:36:49,994 --> 00:36:51,873
Speaker 2: just like so quite like a bit embarrassed for her.

849
00:36:51,954 --> 00:36:55,393
Speaker 2: Mostly it's just all so good that after that we

850
00:36:55,474 --> 00:36:58,073
Speaker 2: have pharo come in and say, Unhan that green girl,

851
00:36:58,154 --> 00:37:00,434
Speaker 2: which is always one of my favorite lines. When you

852
00:37:00,674 --> 00:37:02,834
Speaker 2: have that, and this is where Ariana Grande's acting is

853
00:37:02,954 --> 00:37:05,993
Speaker 2: so good, where you have that moment where Glinda's yelling

854
00:37:06,034 --> 00:37:07,994
Speaker 2: at the other guards and she's like leave him alonely

855
00:37:08,074 --> 00:37:11,034
Speaker 2: from alone, he loves her, and that's the first time

856
00:37:11,114 --> 00:37:14,834
Speaker 2: she'll ever admit to herself that he just loves her

857
00:37:14,994 --> 00:37:18,194
Speaker 2: and that there's no trickery, there's no betrayal in it's

858
00:37:18,274 --> 00:37:20,514
Speaker 2: like her real inquishing any kind of hate and just

859
00:37:20,594 --> 00:37:22,274
Speaker 2: couldn't be me, Sorry.

860
00:37:22,994 --> 00:37:24,554
Speaker 3: Couldn't be that of all, take it.

861
00:37:26,954 --> 00:37:27,994
Speaker 1: In fact, bring more guts.

862
00:37:29,354 --> 00:37:31,514
Speaker 2: Okay, this is why you're the hero of the story.

863
00:37:32,074 --> 00:37:35,194
Speaker 2: And again Jonathan Bailey's acting. Also, where's his best actor,

864
00:37:35,274 --> 00:37:38,154
Speaker 2: oscar I hope it's coming for this role. Thing that

865
00:37:38,314 --> 00:37:42,594
Speaker 2: ends maybe where he is like I'm so sorry, I'm

866
00:37:42,714 --> 00:37:43,794
Speaker 2: so sorry, and I was like, this.

867
00:37:43,874 --> 00:37:46,074
Speaker 1: Is he said like two lines in the hole.

868
00:37:46,354 --> 00:37:47,834
Speaker 3: It's the way he said that, Emily.

869
00:37:48,034 --> 00:37:52,074
Speaker 2: It was so good. Just also a question, okay, so

870
00:37:52,194 --> 00:37:52,393
Speaker 2: you know.

871
00:37:52,474 --> 00:37:54,913
Speaker 1: When he follows her back to so I'm jumping when

872
00:37:54,954 --> 00:37:57,514
Speaker 1: he follows her back to her next.

873
00:37:57,474 --> 00:37:59,794
Speaker 3: Yeah, away, Okay, let's get to that.

874
00:38:00,154 --> 00:38:03,234
Speaker 1: And she's like singing about like pretty much having sex

875
00:38:03,274 --> 00:38:05,754
Speaker 1: with him. Yeah, and he's kind of looking around. I

876
00:38:06,034 --> 00:38:08,834
Speaker 1: had this's a technical thing for me. Then I get

877
00:38:08,874 --> 00:38:12,674
Speaker 1: really confused on musicals. Could he hear what you say?

878
00:38:13,594 --> 00:38:19,114
Speaker 2: Could hear? Yes? Okay, here's the rule of musicals is

879
00:38:19,314 --> 00:38:22,314
Speaker 2: whether other characters can hear the song or not is

880
00:38:22,634 --> 00:38:25,114
Speaker 2: there's always a very subtle light change, and there's always

881
00:38:25,154 --> 00:38:27,354
Speaker 2: a very subtle like the other characters if they're not

882
00:38:27,394 --> 00:38:29,634
Speaker 2: supposed to be part of the song, they'll turn their

883
00:38:29,674 --> 00:38:32,234
Speaker 2: heads slightly. So there is a part in As Long

884
00:38:32,274 --> 00:38:35,033
Speaker 2: as Your Mind where Fierius is sort of turned away,

885
00:38:35,114 --> 00:38:36,754
Speaker 2: So in that moment he can't hear her, but the

886
00:38:36,834 --> 00:38:38,354
Speaker 2: rest of the song they are singing together.

887
00:38:38,474 --> 00:38:40,794
Speaker 1: So yes, answer my question.

888
00:38:41,394 --> 00:38:43,114
Speaker 3: No, so he can't hear in the beginning, but he

889
00:38:43,194 --> 00:38:43,834
Speaker 3: hears her as a song.

890
00:38:43,914 --> 00:38:45,594
Speaker 2: Go as long does that make that hous interest? Like

891
00:38:45,714 --> 00:38:48,354
Speaker 2: you've been saying something it's like you talking about for me,

892
00:38:48,434 --> 00:38:49,354
Speaker 2: because that's why I'm here.

893
00:38:50,394 --> 00:38:51,234
Speaker 3: It's kind of implied.

894
00:38:51,594 --> 00:38:54,034
Speaker 2: Okay, as long as your Mind I've got to say

895
00:38:54,314 --> 00:38:56,593
Speaker 2: is and this is why the next person who says

896
00:38:56,634 --> 00:38:58,754
Speaker 2: the second half of Wicked doesn't have any good songs,

897
00:38:59,434 --> 00:39:01,593
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I'm not clock that person across the face.

898
00:39:01,674 --> 00:39:04,314
Speaker 1: I remember being more sexier in the musical. Yeah, okay,

899
00:39:04,754 --> 00:39:04,994
Speaker 1: come on.

900
00:39:05,634 --> 00:39:08,274
Speaker 3: It is one of the sexy songs you'll ever hear.

901
00:39:08,914 --> 00:39:11,514
Speaker 2: The first time I saw it on stage with Rob Milsey,

902
00:39:12,634 --> 00:39:15,074
Speaker 2: and I've been in love with him, in love with

903
00:39:15,234 --> 00:39:18,274
Speaker 2: him ever since the first time I saw it on stage.

904
00:39:18,394 --> 00:39:20,594
Speaker 3: I always like I have to look away. It's too much.

905
00:39:20,794 --> 00:39:22,874
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm watching people through like a bedroom

906
00:39:22,914 --> 00:39:24,594
Speaker 3: window or something. It is so sexy.

907
00:39:25,114 --> 00:39:28,074
Speaker 2: And this is the time where sometimes less is more

908
00:39:28,114 --> 00:39:31,554
Speaker 2: because on stage it's actually one of the quietest songs

909
00:39:31,634 --> 00:39:35,914
Speaker 2: in Wicked. There's no big special effects, there's no background

910
00:39:35,994 --> 00:39:39,994
Speaker 2: actors or dancing. It's just most of that song is

911
00:39:40,234 --> 00:39:43,393
Speaker 2: the actress playing Alphabet and the actor playing Fierro, just

912
00:39:43,554 --> 00:39:47,154
Speaker 2: kneeling on the stage together, holding each other and singing

913
00:39:47,234 --> 00:39:51,234
Speaker 2: with their faces so close together. And it's just so

914
00:39:51,474 --> 00:39:54,433
Speaker 2: romantic and intimate. And I don't know if the movie

915
00:39:54,554 --> 00:39:58,634
Speaker 2: version captured that intimacy in the way I wanted. I

916
00:39:58,714 --> 00:40:03,914
Speaker 2: think Cynthia and Jonathan captured it in their expressions and

917
00:40:03,954 --> 00:40:05,594
Speaker 2: the way they touched each other, the way they kiss.

918
00:40:05,634 --> 00:40:07,553
Speaker 2: People are saying they have no chemistry. I don't believe

919
00:40:07,554 --> 00:40:07,953
Speaker 2: that's true.

920
00:40:08,594 --> 00:40:13,513
Speaker 1: I don't think they have they have chemistry. No, explain yourself, Well,

921
00:40:13,714 --> 00:40:15,794
Speaker 1: when those scenes, you're meant to feel like, whoa, this

922
00:40:15,954 --> 00:40:18,634
Speaker 1: is amazing, I felt I was like, WHOA, I feel

923
00:40:18,674 --> 00:40:21,754
Speaker 1: like a pervert because like, I feel like these two

924
00:40:21,794 --> 00:40:24,314
Speaker 1: don't want me to witness anything that's sex and I

925
00:40:24,354 --> 00:40:25,994
Speaker 1: want you to watch it. Yeah, and I feel like

926
00:40:26,074 --> 00:40:27,954
Speaker 1: they were forced, like they were forced to do it.

927
00:40:28,434 --> 00:40:30,674
Speaker 1: But I also didn't think this was Jonathan Bailey's best

928
00:40:30,714 --> 00:40:33,194
Speaker 1: performance in general. Really yeah?

929
00:40:33,754 --> 00:40:33,794
Speaker 2: What?

930
00:40:34,634 --> 00:40:37,114
Speaker 1: Yeah? I loved him in the first movie.

931
00:40:36,954 --> 00:40:40,834
Speaker 3: Oh my God, the longing, the character development, the sorrow

932
00:40:40,874 --> 00:40:44,433
Speaker 3: and transformation he goes through, the self realization, the long

933
00:40:44,594 --> 00:40:45,514
Speaker 3: the yearning Emily.

934
00:40:45,714 --> 00:40:47,634
Speaker 1: I wonder if like it just felt rushed for me,

935
00:40:48,274 --> 00:40:49,234
Speaker 1: like he didn't do it for me.

936
00:40:49,634 --> 00:40:51,874
Speaker 2: I just think that that seed needed to be smaller,

937
00:40:52,474 --> 00:40:54,393
Speaker 2: and I think there's a few scenes that I think

938
00:40:54,434 --> 00:40:56,393
Speaker 2: didn't need to be a bit smaller. I understand John

939
00:40:56,514 --> 00:40:57,914
Speaker 2: m Chwu, I know we've got the budget. I know

940
00:40:57,954 --> 00:40:59,953
Speaker 2: we've got the money. I also know that he doesn't

941
00:40:59,994 --> 00:41:01,594
Speaker 2: care about my opinion, and I do think one of

942
00:41:01,634 --> 00:41:03,714
Speaker 2: the best things that the creative team for Wicked did

943
00:41:03,874 --> 00:41:06,274
Speaker 2: is just go away, film it all in one go.

944
00:41:06,874 --> 00:41:08,634
Speaker 2: And and John m chu I must always say his

945
00:41:08,674 --> 00:41:11,513
Speaker 2: full name. John m chwo said that the man trick

946
00:41:11,554 --> 00:41:14,794
Speaker 2: he had in his head for these movies was turn

947
00:41:14,874 --> 00:41:17,194
Speaker 2: your back to the audience and conduct the orchestra. So

948
00:41:17,354 --> 00:41:19,714
Speaker 2: don't think about what people like us are saying, don't

949
00:41:19,714 --> 00:41:22,274
Speaker 2: think about the fans, think about what the people in

950
00:41:22,354 --> 00:41:24,114
Speaker 2: front of you, the actors and the musicians, are doing,

951
00:41:24,194 --> 00:41:26,314
Speaker 2: and only focus on them. And I think that is

952
00:41:26,394 --> 00:41:28,274
Speaker 2: very good, not to let the noise in. But my

953
00:41:28,434 --> 00:41:30,393
Speaker 2: note for him, should he want to listen, is that

954
00:41:31,194 --> 00:41:33,354
Speaker 2: girl in the Bubble felt like you could barely see

955
00:41:33,394 --> 00:41:36,434
Speaker 2: Arianna Grunde and all those crazy set dressings and flashbacks

956
00:41:36,474 --> 00:41:39,154
Speaker 2: and everything like it overshadowed her. And I think the

957
00:41:39,194 --> 00:41:41,554
Speaker 2: same thing happened a little bit in as long as

958
00:41:41,594 --> 00:41:45,274
Speaker 2: your mind, because you're almost distracted by like you're saying

959
00:41:45,314 --> 00:41:47,594
Speaker 2: her hide away and then she's changing clothes and at

960
00:41:47,634 --> 00:41:48,634
Speaker 2: one stage they're flying.

961
00:41:49,154 --> 00:41:49,913
Speaker 1: Yeah, what the hell?

962
00:41:50,474 --> 00:41:53,754
Speaker 2: I just yeah, I thought the best parts that somewhere

963
00:41:53,754 --> 00:41:54,314
Speaker 2: they were kind of just.

964
00:41:54,354 --> 00:41:58,913
Speaker 1: Because they're flying. It's sorry, do you remember that beer? Right, because.

965
00:42:00,794 --> 00:42:01,433
Speaker 3: Because he's got.

966
00:42:01,714 --> 00:42:05,354
Speaker 1: She's holding him and he's but because they're in the air,

967
00:42:05,394 --> 00:42:06,473
Speaker 1: looks like she's lifting him.

968
00:42:06,514 --> 00:42:08,514
Speaker 3: Min she's holding him up.

969
00:42:08,754 --> 00:42:10,873
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like as it's like she's carrying him like

970
00:42:10,954 --> 00:42:14,714
Speaker 1: a baby. But it's only because he's taller than her.

971
00:42:14,754 --> 00:42:17,234
Speaker 1: And then they just started floating in that same height position.

972
00:42:18,394 --> 00:42:21,314
Speaker 3: I mean it was really awkward, Like it was just

973
00:42:21,474 --> 00:42:22,554
Speaker 3: weird aggressive.

974
00:42:22,634 --> 00:42:24,674
Speaker 2: We're so used to seeing like the superhero man come

975
00:42:24,754 --> 00:42:26,794
Speaker 2: in sweep the woman up and fly her around, and

976
00:42:26,874 --> 00:42:27,794
Speaker 2: now it's fear.

977
00:42:28,114 --> 00:42:30,634
Speaker 3: That's what he needed, being flowing around the room.

978
00:42:31,234 --> 00:42:32,754
Speaker 2: I thought the best part of that song when it

979
00:42:32,874 --> 00:42:35,954
Speaker 2: clearly closed in on just their faces together and you

980
00:42:36,034 --> 00:42:38,114
Speaker 2: saw them kiss and know that they just had great

981
00:42:38,154 --> 00:42:41,194
Speaker 2: sex after that, Yeah, which is a whole pleasure. No, No,

982
00:42:41,354 --> 00:42:43,074
Speaker 2: the whole point of those characters, the subtext of this

983
00:42:43,234 --> 00:42:45,674
Speaker 2: is that they have incredible sex throughout the whole thing.

984
00:42:46,954 --> 00:42:51,674
Speaker 2: And she's like, NESSA gotta go, yeah, and he's just

985
00:42:51,714 --> 00:42:52,954
Speaker 2: a bit like, oh, do I stay, do I go?

986
00:42:53,034 --> 00:42:53,434
Speaker 2: What do I do?

987
00:42:53,594 --> 00:42:54,954
Speaker 1: Then he goes and find some monkeys.

988
00:42:55,154 --> 00:42:58,674
Speaker 2: Yeah, huge, huge moment for them, and then we're moving

989
00:42:58,794 --> 00:43:03,594
Speaker 2: into his transformation, which again is one of.

990
00:43:03,714 --> 00:43:06,474
Speaker 3: The sorrowful parts of Wicked.

991
00:43:06,554 --> 00:43:08,634
Speaker 1: In a way, it's also one of the biggest plot twists.

992
00:43:08,874 --> 00:43:11,594
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I know I'm saying negative about this movie,

993
00:43:11,634 --> 00:43:14,354
Speaker 2: which I must say I loved very much, But I

994
00:43:14,514 --> 00:43:16,554
Speaker 2: just don't when you're saying before about some plot twists

995
00:43:16,634 --> 00:43:19,474
Speaker 2: not being given the room they needed to grow and

996
00:43:19,514 --> 00:43:21,794
Speaker 2: the room they needed to be able to hit, what

997
00:43:21,914 --> 00:43:24,594
Speaker 2: a big reveal they are. I think his transformation was

998
00:43:24,634 --> 00:43:25,034
Speaker 2: one of them.

999
00:43:25,154 --> 00:43:26,794
Speaker 1: His yeah, was one of them. It was like I

1000
00:43:26,874 --> 00:43:30,634
Speaker 1: was actually quite disappointed in the reveal of his transformation

1001
00:43:30,794 --> 00:43:34,714
Speaker 1: and then the actual reveal of his face on top

1002
00:43:34,754 --> 00:43:34,914
Speaker 1: of that.

1003
00:43:35,314 --> 00:43:38,873
Speaker 2: I have never felt a collective screaming gasp around me.

1004
00:43:39,434 --> 00:43:41,873
Speaker 2: And people weren't screaming and gasping because they didn't know

1005
00:43:42,234 --> 00:43:44,594
Speaker 2: that Fierro turns into the scarecrow at the end. They

1006
00:43:44,594 --> 00:43:46,554
Speaker 2: were screaming and gasping because they didn't know what his

1007
00:43:46,714 --> 00:43:49,473
Speaker 2: face as a scarecrow would look like. Fear Crow as

1008
00:43:49,474 --> 00:43:50,354
Speaker 2: people are calling him.

1009
00:43:50,794 --> 00:43:54,434
Speaker 1: It was not good. I can't even begin to explain it.

1010
00:43:55,634 --> 00:43:55,873
Speaker 2: It is.

1011
00:43:56,714 --> 00:44:00,034
Speaker 1: How would you sorry? How would you explain I'm sorry?

1012
00:44:00,474 --> 00:44:02,634
Speaker 2: At this stage, no it's okay. I'm trying to think

1013
00:44:02,634 --> 00:44:04,913
Speaker 2: about how to explain it. At this stage of the movie,

1014
00:44:05,114 --> 00:44:06,874
Speaker 2: I'm I'm openly weeping.

1015
00:44:07,314 --> 00:44:08,474
Speaker 1: Your eyes are already blurred.

1016
00:44:08,754 --> 00:44:11,514
Speaker 2: I can barely see what's happening. So I didn't register

1017
00:44:11,634 --> 00:44:16,354
Speaker 2: at first when I saw him exactly how you know what?

1018
00:44:17,754 --> 00:44:21,433
Speaker 1: He looked like Jonathan Bailey with like a snapchat filter

1019
00:44:21,554 --> 00:44:22,194
Speaker 1: on his face.

1020
00:44:22,914 --> 00:44:24,474
Speaker 3: Yes, oh my god, that's it, Like.

1021
00:44:24,874 --> 00:44:27,474
Speaker 2: Any of us could do that. That's like what we

1022
00:44:27,554 --> 00:44:30,114
Speaker 2: would imagine. We were just doing it ourselves on a computer,

1023
00:44:30,194 --> 00:44:31,073
Speaker 2: but all like on our phone.

1024
00:44:31,194 --> 00:44:32,154
Speaker 3: Yeah, but not.

1025
00:44:32,634 --> 00:44:35,554
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just for a movie that is so incredible.

1026
00:44:35,074 --> 00:44:35,834
Speaker 1: It looks like AI.

1027
00:44:36,274 --> 00:44:37,754
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think for a movie that's.

1028
00:44:37,674 --> 00:44:39,754
Speaker 2: So incredible, especially practical.

1029
00:44:39,674 --> 00:44:41,834
Speaker 1: Especially because we saw The Tin Man before that and.

1030
00:44:41,874 --> 00:44:43,434
Speaker 3: That said the bar so high amazing.

1031
00:44:43,834 --> 00:44:46,714
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they should have done that with Jonathan Bailey,

1032
00:44:46,794 --> 00:44:50,434
Speaker 1: like go for an ode for the original Scarecrow, like

1033
00:44:50,554 --> 00:44:54,074
Speaker 1: the sack with the like the features. Yeah, and like

1034
00:44:54,594 --> 00:44:56,474
Speaker 1: I don't know, he just it looked like a plastic

1035
00:44:56,594 --> 00:45:00,314
Speaker 1: covering over his Yeah, it literally looked like a filter textured. Yeah.

1036
00:45:00,674 --> 00:45:01,234
Speaker 3: It was weird.

1037
00:45:03,994 --> 00:45:06,834
Speaker 1: It looked like it was like, yes, but it was

1038
00:45:06,914 --> 00:45:07,594
Speaker 1: just because.

1039
00:45:07,394 --> 00:45:09,554
Speaker 2: It's meant to be such a It is such a

1040
00:45:09,754 --> 00:45:12,953
Speaker 2: powerful moment because also for most people in that theater,

1041
00:45:13,074 --> 00:45:13,594
Speaker 2: and she has to.

1042
00:45:13,594 --> 00:45:15,554
Speaker 1: Pretend to be like shocked and be like Fiera, and

1043
00:45:15,594 --> 00:45:18,794
Speaker 1: I'm like, obviously, it's it anyone. It's not a Clark

1044
00:45:18,834 --> 00:45:19,514
Speaker 1: and situation.

1045
00:45:19,754 --> 00:45:21,433
Speaker 2: We all know it's maybe. She was like, I want

1046
00:45:21,434 --> 00:45:25,434
Speaker 2: to change my mind, like I'm tapping out, and I

1047
00:45:25,474 --> 00:45:26,274
Speaker 2: was supposed to stay with you.

1048
00:45:26,274 --> 00:45:26,993
Speaker 3: For better or for worse.

1049
00:45:27,034 --> 00:45:28,873
Speaker 1: Actually I think I'll be okay on my own.

1050
00:45:29,074 --> 00:45:31,393
Speaker 2: Yeah you can. You're like, I'm just not that girl,

1051
00:45:32,994 --> 00:45:35,154
Speaker 2: but no, I mean, look, I did cry it this

1052
00:45:35,234 --> 00:45:37,513
Speaker 2: bit because it is so beautiful because on one hand,

1053
00:45:37,554 --> 00:45:39,873
Speaker 2: you have the reveal that Alpha Burrow is alive and

1054
00:45:40,034 --> 00:45:43,714
Speaker 2: that Fierra's fate is sealed, and it is this sadness,

1055
00:45:43,794 --> 00:45:46,434
Speaker 2: but you kind of have this moment of knowing that

1056
00:45:46,554 --> 00:45:48,754
Speaker 2: these two people who are so so deeply in love

1057
00:45:49,434 --> 00:45:51,033
Speaker 2: have found each other and are going to walk away

1058
00:45:51,114 --> 00:45:53,914
Speaker 2: together into this new world. And it's also interesting that

1059
00:45:54,034 --> 00:45:56,433
Speaker 2: Alphabil was always seen as the outcast because of how

1060
00:45:56,514 --> 00:45:58,994
Speaker 2: she looked, and now a man who was previously like

1061
00:45:59,074 --> 00:46:01,554
Speaker 2: the ideal of beauty is now an outcast because how

1062
00:46:01,674 --> 00:46:02,154
Speaker 2: he looked.

1063
00:46:02,514 --> 00:46:03,314
Speaker 3: It's like the individual.

1064
00:46:05,874 --> 00:46:07,514
Speaker 1: I was also like when I remember I watching the

1065
00:46:07,594 --> 00:46:09,514
Speaker 1: musical when I was younger, and I was like, she

1066
00:46:09,594 --> 00:46:12,834
Speaker 1: did that spell on purpose, she knew what she was doing.

1067
00:46:12,954 --> 00:46:15,394
Speaker 3: Oh my god, no good deed when she casts the spell.

1068
00:46:15,514 --> 00:46:17,514
Speaker 2: Can I just say it's always one of my favorites

1069
00:46:17,554 --> 00:46:19,794
Speaker 2: because it is again about talking about songs that have

1070
00:46:19,874 --> 00:46:20,554
Speaker 2: to be earned to.

1071
00:46:20,634 --> 00:46:21,074
Speaker 3: Be in there.

1072
00:46:21,554 --> 00:46:24,393
Speaker 2: It is this moment where up until then, Alphabet has

1073
00:46:24,434 --> 00:46:27,554
Speaker 2: this scene where she's almost an unattainable heroine for us

1074
00:46:27,674 --> 00:46:29,393
Speaker 2: because she was like, I don't care about myself.

1075
00:46:29,434 --> 00:46:30,314
Speaker 3: I just care about the animals.

1076
00:46:30,354 --> 00:46:31,953
Speaker 2: I care about right and wrong, and I care about

1077
00:46:31,994 --> 00:46:34,074
Speaker 2: nothing else, and like that's just not a human thing.

1078
00:46:34,674 --> 00:46:37,874
Speaker 2: Everyone's actions were they're good about and motivated by something

1079
00:46:37,954 --> 00:46:40,594
Speaker 2: for them. So when she talks about like did I

1080
00:46:40,674 --> 00:46:42,754
Speaker 2: just want this because I wanted to prove I was special?

1081
00:46:42,794 --> 00:46:44,433
Speaker 2: Do I wanted to prove I was the best? Did

1082
00:46:44,474 --> 00:46:46,794
Speaker 2: I want the attention for this? And have I brought

1083
00:46:46,834 --> 00:46:50,994
Speaker 2: this on myself? Is one of the best character developments,

1084
00:46:51,034 --> 00:46:53,754
Speaker 2: I would say, in history. But it is so well done.

1085
00:46:53,754 --> 00:46:56,274
Speaker 2: It's so perfectly done. It's so clever, and I think

1086
00:46:56,314 --> 00:46:59,074
Speaker 2: that song encapsulates it so much. And you kind of

1087
00:46:59,114 --> 00:47:01,754
Speaker 2: almost see the payoff of that song in this moment

1088
00:47:02,394 --> 00:47:04,993
Speaker 2: where in that moment she knows that she has done

1089
00:47:05,114 --> 00:47:06,954
Speaker 2: work for the greater good, but she also has to

1090
00:47:07,114 --> 00:47:10,274
Speaker 2: live with the consequences of her actions, which is disfiguring

1091
00:47:10,354 --> 00:47:13,033
Speaker 2: the man she loves so And what I thought maybe

1092
00:47:13,154 --> 00:47:15,473
Speaker 2: was a little bit missed is that in the stage show,

1093
00:47:15,594 --> 00:47:17,513
Speaker 2: not to always bring it back to that, but it's

1094
00:47:17,554 --> 00:47:20,714
Speaker 2: such a huge plot point that he stumbles when they

1095
00:47:20,754 --> 00:47:22,473
Speaker 2: try to walk away to go to this new life,

1096
00:47:22,514 --> 00:47:25,393
Speaker 2: and she has to hold him and carry him. Is

1097
00:47:25,434 --> 00:47:27,434
Speaker 2: this metaphor of her having to carry him for the

1098
00:47:27,514 --> 00:47:29,594
Speaker 2: rest of their lives and look after him. And I

1099
00:47:29,634 --> 00:47:31,513
Speaker 2: don't know how much of that was brought into the movie,

1100
00:47:31,714 --> 00:47:33,794
Speaker 2: or maybe it was in a way I don't know.

1101
00:47:34,114 --> 00:47:34,514
Speaker 2: I don't know.

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00:47:35,074 --> 00:47:37,154
Speaker 1: At that point, I was just laughing.

1103
00:47:37,794 --> 00:47:39,994
Speaker 2: I do think that their storyline came to a beautiful

1104
00:47:40,074 --> 00:47:41,834
Speaker 2: end of the movie, and it did feel so urned.

1105
00:47:41,874 --> 00:47:43,594
Speaker 2: I just wish they had spent a little bit of

1106
00:47:43,674 --> 00:47:47,234
Speaker 2: time setting up him being the scarecrow and setting up

1107
00:47:47,234 --> 00:47:49,234
Speaker 2: the stakes of that. And I guess that because you

1108
00:47:49,314 --> 00:47:50,873
Speaker 2: see the tin men's face and the lead up, you

1109
00:47:50,914 --> 00:47:52,873
Speaker 2: see the lion's face, you never see his face until

1110
00:47:52,874 --> 00:47:55,034
Speaker 2: the end, and that's supposed to be a little wink

1111
00:47:55,074 --> 00:47:57,834
Speaker 2: to the audience who doesn't know about what's coming. So

1112
00:47:57,954 --> 00:48:00,913
Speaker 2: there is that. Okay, shall we get to the only

1113
00:48:01,274 --> 00:48:04,593
Speaker 2: the real story, the real love story in Wicked, which

1114
00:48:04,834 --> 00:48:06,834
Speaker 2: Gladder and Alphabet being that I did.

1115
00:48:07,194 --> 00:48:09,674
Speaker 1: Really tear up for is when they told each other

1116
00:48:09,754 --> 00:48:12,114
Speaker 1: I love you behind the door.

1117
00:48:12,634 --> 00:48:15,634
Speaker 2: The thing about for Good is it is just, oh

1118
00:48:15,714 --> 00:48:19,393
Speaker 2: my god, this is such a transformative song. And it's like,

1119
00:48:19,914 --> 00:48:21,834
Speaker 2: I know that people listen to that song all the time,

1120
00:48:21,954 --> 00:48:23,913
Speaker 2: and that people have listened to it in the movie,

1121
00:48:23,954 --> 00:48:25,714
Speaker 2: in the stage show, and like myself, people listen to it.

1122
00:48:25,794 --> 00:48:27,634
Speaker 2: But I also urge people to just sit down and

1123
00:48:27,674 --> 00:48:31,514
Speaker 2: also just read the lyrics because the lyrics are so beautiful,

1124
00:48:31,594 --> 00:48:33,234
Speaker 2: and it is, at the end of the day, a

1125
00:48:33,314 --> 00:48:36,674
Speaker 2: love story between these two women, and this moment where

1126
00:48:37,194 --> 00:48:39,513
Speaker 2: the kind of weight of the consequences of what they're

1127
00:48:39,594 --> 00:48:42,234
Speaker 2: choosing to do, which is to be separated forever. Obviously

1128
00:48:42,554 --> 00:48:44,434
Speaker 2: Glinda is not aware of what's going to happen, but

1129
00:48:44,514 --> 00:48:47,114
Speaker 2: Alphabet does know. But the stakes in that moment are

1130
00:48:47,154 --> 00:48:47,634
Speaker 2: so high.

1131
00:48:47,994 --> 00:48:51,434
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I feel like it's very obvious because Glinda

1132
00:48:51,554 --> 00:48:54,274
Speaker 1: loves loudly and I feel like it's very obvious how

1133
00:48:54,354 --> 00:48:57,234
Speaker 1: much love Glinda has for Alpha Biden. It's not as

1134
00:48:57,394 --> 00:49:00,234
Speaker 1: obvious for Alphabek because she's much more reserved, But you

1135
00:49:00,514 --> 00:49:03,354
Speaker 1: find out that her love is so great because she

1136
00:49:03,474 --> 00:49:05,914
Speaker 1: doesn't give Glinda the choice. She makes a choice for

1137
00:49:06,434 --> 00:49:09,114
Speaker 1: her by telling her that she's still alive because she

1138
00:49:09,274 --> 00:49:11,594
Speaker 1: knows that Filna would just like follow her or like

1139
00:49:11,714 --> 00:49:14,234
Speaker 1: bring her back. Yeah, and she does that for her.

1140
00:49:14,274 --> 00:49:15,953
Speaker 1: And I think that's like the moment in the movie

1141
00:49:15,954 --> 00:49:19,234
Speaker 1: where you're like, oh my god, yeah right am I right? Girls?

1142
00:49:19,994 --> 00:49:22,154
Speaker 2: So it is yeah, like it is this kind of

1143
00:49:22,194 --> 00:49:24,873
Speaker 2: beautiful centering of this friendship that's you and me. It

1144
00:49:24,914 --> 00:49:27,194
Speaker 2: would just be one hundred percent like us that moment

1145
00:49:27,234 --> 00:49:30,594
Speaker 2: again about John and two knowing when to like really

1146
00:49:30,794 --> 00:49:33,794
Speaker 2: hold in a moment and knowing when the quieter moments

1147
00:49:33,834 --> 00:49:37,554
Speaker 2: are more important than the song. That moment where Alphaba

1148
00:49:37,674 --> 00:49:41,074
Speaker 2: shuts her behind the door and the camera just holds

1149
00:49:41,074 --> 00:49:43,474
Speaker 2: on them for so long, of each of them pressing

1150
00:49:43,554 --> 00:49:48,594
Speaker 2: against the door and sobbing, and both of the actresses

1151
00:49:48,794 --> 00:49:50,594
Speaker 2: had I mean, they're both incredible in this, but the

1152
00:49:50,714 --> 00:49:53,274
Speaker 2: build up to that moment, especially because they shot the

1153
00:49:53,514 --> 00:49:55,634
Speaker 2: movies back to back, and they both did all this

1154
00:49:55,754 --> 00:49:58,914
Speaker 2: extensive work, Like Ariana Grande would come to set with

1155
00:49:59,034 --> 00:50:02,194
Speaker 2: like all these notebooks with hundreds of pages of handwritten

1156
00:50:02,234 --> 00:50:04,754
Speaker 2: notes so she would know emotionally where she was at

1157
00:50:05,154 --> 00:50:08,953
Speaker 2: at each scene to appropriately build that moment. Cynthia River

1158
00:50:09,034 --> 00:50:11,594
Speaker 2: had all these like sense memory tricks, like different perfumes

1159
00:50:11,594 --> 00:50:14,274
Speaker 2: through different scenes, so she could always smell where she was,

1160
00:50:14,434 --> 00:50:17,794
Speaker 2: like in Alphabet's Journey, and so she could differentiate. Because

1161
00:50:17,794 --> 00:50:20,114
Speaker 2: the thing is, the way they react in this moment

1162
00:50:20,234 --> 00:50:21,873
Speaker 2: is so different to how they react at the end

1163
00:50:21,954 --> 00:50:23,473
Speaker 2: of the movie, and that when we see them say

1164
00:50:23,514 --> 00:50:26,074
Speaker 2: goodbye and the moment they first became friends. And so

1165
00:50:26,194 --> 00:50:28,393
Speaker 2: when you see them pushing of two sides of the

1166
00:50:28,474 --> 00:50:31,994
Speaker 2: locked door, it's this idea that their friendship is severed forever,

1167
00:50:32,434 --> 00:50:34,554
Speaker 2: but they're gonna hold onto this moment and it is

1168
00:50:34,994 --> 00:50:37,514
Speaker 2: so beautiful and heartbreaking. Like that is when I was

1169
00:50:37,594 --> 00:50:41,074
Speaker 2: like literally sobbing so hard that I actually thought I

1170
00:50:41,194 --> 00:50:42,794
Speaker 2: might have to just like crawl into the floor.

1171
00:50:42,994 --> 00:50:43,794
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.

1172
00:50:44,234 --> 00:50:46,914
Speaker 2: It was just so much. And also I think I

1173
00:50:47,194 --> 00:50:49,674
Speaker 2: always thought it was odd when people like who's gonna

1174
00:50:49,674 --> 00:50:51,234
Speaker 2: play Dorothy, Where's Dorothy gonna be?

1175
00:50:51,314 --> 00:50:53,314
Speaker 3: I'm like she's kept off screen for a reason.

1176
00:50:53,394 --> 00:50:55,474
Speaker 1: Yeah, similar to the musical, which is what I like.

1177
00:50:56,114 --> 00:50:58,674
Speaker 2: She's not part of this world, it's not.

1178
00:50:58,754 --> 00:51:01,594
Speaker 1: The interesting part is that you see it how it

1179
00:51:01,754 --> 00:51:03,994
Speaker 1: weaves with m Yeah, the Wizard.

1180
00:51:03,754 --> 00:51:05,914
Speaker 2: Of Again is the magic Wicked of knowing it Like

1181
00:51:06,034 --> 00:51:10,274
Speaker 2: how wonderfully secret backstory is set within the original story

1182
00:51:10,314 --> 00:51:11,914
Speaker 2: that it's not meant to be Dorothy's story, So she

1183
00:51:11,954 --> 00:51:13,674
Speaker 2: absolutely should not be on screen. Yeah.

1184
00:51:13,874 --> 00:51:15,794
Speaker 3: I would throw my popcorn the screen if i'd seen

1185
00:51:15,834 --> 00:51:18,834
Speaker 3: her face. Really, Yeah, because you're not meant to That's

1186
00:51:18,834 --> 00:51:19,474
Speaker 3: the whole point of it.

1187
00:51:20,074 --> 00:51:20,913
Speaker 1: And Dodo.

1188
00:51:22,914 --> 00:51:25,553
Speaker 2: And so those final moments I think where we see

1189
00:51:25,594 --> 00:51:27,714
Speaker 2: Glinda kind of come into her power, we see her

1190
00:51:28,274 --> 00:51:30,474
Speaker 2: pop the bubble that she lives in, and then we

1191
00:51:30,554 --> 00:51:33,953
Speaker 2: see Alphabet make this choice that feels really earned. At

1192
00:51:33,954 --> 00:51:36,994
Speaker 2: the end of she thought the most powerful thing she

1193
00:51:37,074 --> 00:51:39,674
Speaker 2: could do was to be visible, but sometimes the most

1194
00:51:39,714 --> 00:51:42,634
Speaker 2: powerful thing you can do is be invisible, and so

1195
00:51:42,994 --> 00:51:44,873
Speaker 2: you see her make that choice and also get a

1196
00:51:44,914 --> 00:51:46,834
Speaker 2: happy ending to an extent.

1197
00:51:49,514 --> 00:51:50,593
Speaker 3: There went to the other world.

1198
00:51:50,794 --> 00:51:51,674
Speaker 1: Yeah, whatever that was.

1199
00:51:53,554 --> 00:51:56,274
Speaker 2: Overall, I think I know that there's been mixed reviews

1200
00:51:56,434 --> 00:51:59,034
Speaker 2: about Wicked for Good, but overall, I think it's an

1201
00:51:59,114 --> 00:52:01,674
Speaker 2: incredible piece of filmmaking and storytelling.

1202
00:52:01,794 --> 00:52:03,554
Speaker 1: And I want to watch both of them now, back

1203
00:52:03,594 --> 00:52:03,873
Speaker 1: to back.

1204
00:52:03,954 --> 00:52:04,634
Speaker 3: Let's do it right now.

1205
00:52:05,474 --> 00:52:05,714
Speaker 1: Bye.

1206
00:52:06,234 --> 00:52:08,754
Speaker 2: Just that's all I want to do. So, oh we

1207
00:52:08,954 --> 00:52:09,954
Speaker 2: we did it.

1208
00:52:10,434 --> 00:52:13,594
Speaker 3: Go cry by myself now because it's just God is

1209
00:52:13,634 --> 00:52:14,954
Speaker 3: just the best thing of the whole world, isn't it?

1210
00:52:15,034 --> 00:52:15,953
Speaker 2: My grade is the best thing.

1211
00:52:16,354 --> 00:52:19,514
Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for listening to this very special,

1212
00:52:19,834 --> 00:52:23,794
Speaker 1: brudely honest review of Wicked. For good, do not forget that.

1213
00:52:23,954 --> 00:52:26,634
Speaker 1: If you haven't listened to our briodlyan review of the

1214
00:52:26,754 --> 00:52:29,474
Speaker 1: first Wicked film, please do. We'll put that in our

1215
00:52:29,514 --> 00:52:31,473
Speaker 1: show notes as well. Maybe do it back to back.

1216
00:52:31,914 --> 00:52:34,314
Speaker 3: Yeah, that'll be like a double Wicked double feature.

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