WEBVTT - Trump's 38 Minute Boogie 0:00:21.290 --> 0:00:25.410 So much you're listening to I'm Ama Mia podcast. Mamma 0:00:25.490 --> 0:00:28.650 Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land. We have 0:00:28.770 --> 0:00:32.730 recorded this podcast on the Gattigul people of the Eora Nation. 0:00:33.490 --> 0:00:36.290 We pay our respects to their elders past and present, 0:00:36.690 --> 0:00:39.970 and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and torres Rate 0:00:40.010 --> 0:00:40.970 islander cultures. 0:00:44.850 --> 0:00:47.770 A man with multiple guns was arrested outside of former 0:00:47.810 --> 0:00:52.330 President Donald Trump's rally in California Saturday. The local sheriff 0:00:52.370 --> 0:00:55.890 says forty nine year old Van Miller illegally had a shotgun, 0:00:55.970 --> 0:00:59.850 loaded handgun, and a high capacity magazine. Would anybody else 0:00:59.970 --> 0:01:00.450 like defend? 0:01:01.650 --> 0:01:04.490 Please raiser, Let's do it now, Please raise your head. 0:01:04.770 --> 0:01:07.410 You know what we could do though, if my guys 0:01:07.410 --> 0:01:07.930 could do it. 0:01:08.850 --> 0:01:11.170 How about we'll do a little music. 0:01:11.250 --> 0:01:12.490 Let's make this a musical. 0:01:12.530 --> 0:01:12.890 First. 0:01:13.010 --> 0:01:16.650 Oh, looky, looky, Hello out louders. Is that time of 0:01:16.690 --> 0:01:19.050 the week where we unpack all the things that are 0:01:19.050 --> 0:01:22.010 happening in the US election, which is now only a 0:01:22.130 --> 0:01:25.570 terrifying nineteen days away. I'm Holly Wainwright and I have 0:01:25.770 --> 0:01:28.570 literally been in an Internet free zone for a week 0:01:28.650 --> 0:01:30.650 and it's been glorious to not know what's been going 0:01:30.690 --> 0:01:33.730 on with Trump and Harris, but today I'm going to 0:01:33.770 --> 0:01:35.650 find out. We're joined by Jesse Stevens. 0:01:35.810 --> 0:01:38.010 I'm here, and every time I say anything about the 0:01:38.090 --> 0:01:40.050 US election, I go no, I need to get across 0:01:40.050 --> 0:01:42.570 it because I have a built in Amelia Lester, who 0:01:42.770 --> 0:01:44.770 gives me all the context I need to know. She's 0:01:44.850 --> 0:01:45.250 my filter. 0:01:45.530 --> 0:01:48.490 She absolutely is. And Amelia Lester is here. She is 0:01:48.530 --> 0:01:51.410 the deputy editor of Foreign Policy magazine. She is a 0:01:51.490 --> 0:01:53.730 journalist with lots of years of experience in the US. 0:01:53.930 --> 0:01:56.930 In fact, she lived there until very recently. Amelia, what 0:01:56.970 --> 0:02:00.090 the hell is going on in US politics this week? 0:02:00.330 --> 0:02:00.650 Okay? 0:02:00.690 --> 0:02:02.130 The first thing you need to know is that I 0:02:02.170 --> 0:02:04.610 got a text from a friend yesterday, and I'm going 0:02:04.650 --> 0:02:06.490 to read it in its entirety. This is a friend 0:02:06.530 --> 0:02:09.770 in the US. Imagine it's twenty twelve, Barack Obama was 0:02:09.770 --> 0:02:13.130 just reelected, and you receive this article from the future. 0:02:13.250 --> 0:02:15.890 This is an article from the Washington Post. There's nothing 0:02:15.970 --> 0:02:18.890 in this world that could convince you it's real. I 0:02:19.010 --> 0:02:22.490 still don't believe it's a reported story from a real event. 0:02:22.610 --> 0:02:25.770 Would you like to know what I would? I should 0:02:25.770 --> 0:02:28.250 stop and say no, it's no an assassination attempt, though that 0:02:28.290 --> 0:02:33.930 did happen. That's we'll get to that. This is a 0:02:34.050 --> 0:02:38.090 surprising thing. This is the headline. Trump sways and bops 0:02:38.130 --> 0:02:42.930 to music for thirty nine minutes in bizarre episode. 0:02:43.370 --> 0:02:47.530 So, all right, what happened here? Because I've seen tweets 0:02:47.570 --> 0:02:49.330 about it, and sometimes you just look at it and 0:02:49.330 --> 0:02:51.050 you go, oh, I'm sure everyone's exaggerating. 0:02:51.170 --> 0:02:54.690 Yeah. No, I have never read an article in the 0:02:54.730 --> 0:02:59.050 New York Times where the reporter was so clearly confused 0:02:59.890 --> 0:03:02.610 and yet still had to write an article and describe 0:03:02.650 --> 0:03:05.130 what happened. So what happened was Trump was doing a 0:03:05.250 --> 0:03:08.570 rally in you guessed at Pennsylvania because basically that's the 0:03:08.610 --> 0:03:11.330 one state where everyone's going to decide for the next 0:03:11.410 --> 0:03:13.690 couple of weeks. It's deciding the election. He was at 0:03:13.730 --> 0:03:16.450 a town hall in Pennsylvania and then two people needed 0:03:16.450 --> 0:03:20.370 medical attention, which is also not surprising because the median 0:03:20.410 --> 0:03:24.250 age at his rallies tends to be somewhere around seventy five. 0:03:24.610 --> 0:03:27.410 They needed the medical attention, and he was sort of 0:03:27.530 --> 0:03:29.810 waiting to see what happened there, and then he decided 0:03:29.850 --> 0:03:32.370 he wasn't going to talk about small business or the 0:03:32.410 --> 0:03:36.690 economy or inflation anymore. He just wanted to listen to 0:03:36.730 --> 0:03:37.250 some music. 0:03:37.930 --> 0:03:39.610 So he was that that song that he does, where 0:03:39.610 --> 0:03:44.570 he Goes, where he does his little fist was. 0:03:46.210 --> 0:03:50.730 Yes, that that extremely well known song. Yes, yes, y 0:03:50.930 --> 0:03:51.610 m c h. 0:03:52.090 --> 0:03:57.610 Actually to dance to that on the stage and we 0:03:57.690 --> 0:03:59.450 are not dances and we did a better job than 0:03:59.490 --> 0:04:00.250 Donald Trump does. 0:04:00.570 --> 0:04:02.650 Anyway, there was a lot of fist dancing. So for 0:04:02.690 --> 0:04:05.250 thirty nine minutes, Yeah, he played his greatest hits. He 0:04:05.370 --> 0:04:10.610 played Walliam Ca. He played Ave Maria twice. That's a 0:04:10.730 --> 0:04:13.770 down out which which I think is a diagram between 0:04:13.770 --> 0:04:16.890 Donald Trump and Muriel Hesslop is that they both loved 0:04:17.010 --> 0:04:20.130 the song, are they Maria? What's interesting is he come 0:04:20.210 --> 0:04:21.850 play a lot of the songs he wants to play 0:04:21.890 --> 0:04:25.210 these days because artists keep sending him seasoned desists. So 0:04:25.530 --> 0:04:27.490 he used to love the Rolling Stones song you Can't 0:04:27.490 --> 0:04:30.010 Always Get what you Want. They sent him a season desist. 0:04:30.450 --> 0:04:33.250 James Brown, it's a man's man's man's well. 0:04:33.290 --> 0:04:34.490 That would be a big time. 0:04:35.810 --> 0:04:39.170 Saneade O'Connor performing. Nothing compares to you now, I know. 0:04:39.290 --> 0:04:44.130 If there's one politician shinetdo kinda loves. It's absolutely Donald. 0:04:43.770 --> 0:04:45.970 Trump spinning in her grave speak. 0:04:46.490 --> 0:04:47.530 Yes, sorry past tense. 0:04:47.610 --> 0:04:50.130 Yes. So anyway, it was a really odd episode. No 0:04:50.210 --> 0:04:52.410 one really knows what to make of it. But he 0:04:52.490 --> 0:04:54.930 had another odd episode this week because he was at 0:04:54.970 --> 0:04:59.770 a rally in Arizona and he said that he wanted 0:04:59.810 --> 0:05:03.850 to thank We think he was saying Assyrians for Trump, 0:05:04.050 --> 0:05:05.930 but he said in such a way that it's sounded 0:05:05.970 --> 0:05:09.410 like Ascerasians, and no one really know what he meant, and. 0:05:09.370 --> 0:05:10.770 So there were various theories. 0:05:10.850 --> 0:05:13.250 People said, could he have meant Arizonans, could he have 0:05:13.330 --> 0:05:18.210 meant Azerbaijan's. But then eventually the case was cracked. There 0:05:18.410 --> 0:05:20.130 was a group of people in red T shirts that 0:05:20.130 --> 0:05:23.010 read us for Trump. Assyrians are of course an ancient 0:05:23.090 --> 0:05:27.530 people who trace their roots to Northern Iraq, Syria, Turkey, 0:05:27.570 --> 0:05:30.770 and Iran. The Facebook group Assyrians for Trump only has 0:05:30.770 --> 0:05:33.650 one hundred and thirty six members, so it's not a 0:05:33.770 --> 0:05:36.810 hugely important swing group in this selection. 0:05:36.970 --> 0:05:38.010 He's clashing it through us. 0:05:38.050 --> 0:05:40.290 So I've seen a lot of people say that this 0:05:40.530 --> 0:05:43.970 is further evidence of his cognitive decline. Other people are 0:05:43.970 --> 0:05:45.810 saying he didn't like the questions that were being asked. 0:05:45.850 --> 0:05:48.490 Others are saying he's avoiding making gaffes like my numbers 0:05:48.530 --> 0:05:50.570 with the black and especially black men. 0:05:50.690 --> 0:05:56.690 I love black men, I love them, I love them. 0:05:55.890 --> 0:06:00.370 I have gone through the roof with black men. Yes, 0:06:00.490 --> 0:06:04.290 and Kamala Harris just I understand it, tweeted, I hope 0:06:04.290 --> 0:06:09.450 he's okay after the dancing and swaying, I think is understated. 0:06:09.770 --> 0:06:11.250 So what's the black men's speech? 0:06:11.290 --> 0:06:12.090 What's happened there? 0:06:12.290 --> 0:06:15.410 If the question hollywoods is Donald Trump? Okay, I wasn't 0:06:15.410 --> 0:06:17.370 going to be able to answer that one. So I'm 0:06:17.370 --> 0:06:20.170 glad Jesse to follow up hurry so on the black 0:06:20.210 --> 0:06:23.290 men's seech. So what happened here is that Obama spoke 0:06:23.450 --> 0:06:27.530 in Pittsburgh, which is a city in Pennsylvania, last week, 0:06:27.690 --> 0:06:30.770 and he aimed his speech very much at black men. 0:06:30.930 --> 0:06:34.250 And the reason he did that is because Kamala Harris's 0:06:34.330 --> 0:06:37.970 support is still very low among black voters in Pennsylvania. 0:06:38.010 --> 0:06:40.330 It's lower than when Biden won the state in twenty twenty, 0:06:40.370 --> 0:06:43.770 according to polls, and Obama still has enormous appeal both 0:06:43.770 --> 0:06:46.770 in this community but also more generally amongst Democrats. Polls 0:06:46.770 --> 0:06:50.650 show ninety percent of Democrats still view him favorably and Harris. 0:06:50.770 --> 0:06:53.250 This is interesting, was an early supporter of Obama. Said, 0:06:53.290 --> 0:06:55.410 you know that she daw knocked for him in Iowa 0:06:55.490 --> 0:06:57.810 in two thousand and seven when he was running to 0:06:57.850 --> 0:06:59.090 be the Democratic nominee. 0:06:59.090 --> 0:06:59.970 So they go way back. 0:07:00.410 --> 0:07:02.410 But in this speech, people have said this was a 0:07:02.490 --> 0:07:06.570 risky move on Obama's part. He addressed his brothers. That's 0:07:06.570 --> 0:07:08.690 a quote. He said, you're coming up with all kinds 0:07:08.730 --> 0:07:12.090 of reasons and excuses for not supporting Kamala Harris. Part 0:07:12.090 --> 0:07:14.010 of it makes me think that you're just not feeling 0:07:14.010 --> 0:07:17.090 the idea of having a woman as president. And a 0:07:17.210 --> 0:07:20.330 number of commentators have described this as at the tone 0:07:20.370 --> 0:07:24.730 here a little bit off, a little sterldie Scoldie Wendell Pearce, 0:07:24.810 --> 0:07:28.490 who is an actor who was in Suits and the Wire, 0:07:29.250 --> 0:07:32.810 more to the point, the critically acclaimed Kenzie and Drama. 0:07:32.890 --> 0:07:34.330 He was in Suits with Megan Markle. 0:07:34.770 --> 0:07:37.290 He went on social media and he wrote, the party 0:07:37.330 --> 0:07:40.250 has to stop scapegoating black men. That was particularly notable 0:07:40.290 --> 0:07:43.250 for him because he's been a big supporter of Kamala 0:07:43.250 --> 0:07:45.930 Harris's run for president, and he asked why white men 0:07:45.970 --> 0:07:48.570 and women weren't getting the same treatment. And Obama has 0:07:48.650 --> 0:07:51.210 history on this because in two thousand and eight, when 0:07:51.250 --> 0:07:54.850 he was the Democratic nominee, he scolded black fathers. He 0:07:54.930 --> 0:07:57.210 told a group of black people during a speech in Chicago, 0:07:57.650 --> 0:08:01.010 we need fathers to realize that responsibility does not end 0:08:01.010 --> 0:08:04.730 at conception, addressing this idea that in the black community 0:08:05.050 --> 0:08:07.930 sometimes black fathers aren't always around. So there was this 0:08:08.090 --> 0:08:11.850 history with Obama on this, and I think in that context, 0:08:11.890 --> 0:08:14.530 Trump sort of tried to seize on the moment and 0:08:14.610 --> 0:08:16.250 declare that he loves black men. 0:08:17.090 --> 0:08:20.010 I feel like that was on his notepad, not but 0:08:20.050 --> 0:08:24.090 he has a notepad, but like black men potential. And 0:08:24.130 --> 0:08:26.250 then it sounds like he didn't really nut out what 0:08:26.690 --> 0:08:28.970 he wanted to say about that, so he just yelled 0:08:28.970 --> 0:08:29.410 black men. 0:08:29.570 --> 0:08:29.810 Yeah. 0:08:29.890 --> 0:08:33.210 I mean it's I hate Taylor Swift, I love black men. 0:08:33.330 --> 0:08:35.170 It tends to be a pendulum for him. 0:08:35.610 --> 0:08:37.690 None of this seems to be changing the poles so far. 0:08:37.810 --> 0:08:42.050 I know. I ask you this every week. Is anything 0:08:42.130 --> 0:08:44.450 we can hold on to? So much seems to happen, 0:08:44.450 --> 0:08:47.410 and yet nothing seems to change. Because last week I 0:08:47.490 --> 0:08:49.650 listened to you on Mama Mia out loud while I 0:08:49.690 --> 0:08:52.610 wasn't here, talking about Kamala's press blitz. Call her daddy. 0:08:53.010 --> 0:08:53.890 Did it do anything? 0:08:54.010 --> 0:08:56.570 Yeah, the press plits is interesting. So the short answer 0:08:56.610 --> 0:08:58.970 is no, the poles haven't changed much. But it's worth 0:08:58.970 --> 0:09:01.290 talking about the press blitz because now there's a report 0:09:01.410 --> 0:09:04.170 that Kamala Harris is considering or in negotiations to go 0:09:04.210 --> 0:09:06.290 on Joe Rogan's podcast. 0:09:06.610 --> 0:09:09.090 That listen to our debscriber episode last week, but we 0:09:09.130 --> 0:09:11.330 said you need to go on Joe Rogan and she 0:09:11.570 --> 0:09:13.210 brought that to her team. 0:09:13.370 --> 0:09:15.410 Yeah, I think that they did listen to that. So 0:09:15.730 --> 0:09:17.570 the strategy at work here is that I think that 0:09:17.570 --> 0:09:20.410 they're trying to reach as many persuadable voters as possible 0:09:20.930 --> 0:09:24.490 through outlets that people feel genuinely connected to. And what's 0:09:24.490 --> 0:09:26.330 interesting is she was on the cover of Vogue. The 0:09:26.370 --> 0:09:29.290 cover came out this weekend. It was very subdued, a 0:09:29.290 --> 0:09:31.210 big contrast to the last time she was on the 0:09:31.210 --> 0:09:33.130 cover of Vogue when she became the vice president. You 0:09:33.170 --> 0:09:35.530 might remember that that cover came under some criticism for 0:09:35.570 --> 0:09:38.170 the styling. She was wearing Converse. There was kind of 0:09:38.170 --> 0:09:40.930 some draped fabrics behind her. People thought that it looked 0:09:40.970 --> 0:09:44.410 disrespectful and not fully elegant enough for her office. This 0:09:44.570 --> 0:09:48.010 was a very classic, elegant, sort of politician y cover 0:09:48.090 --> 0:09:50.290 of Vogue, and it sank without a trace. 0:09:50.570 --> 0:09:52.210 Did you even hear anything about it? 0:09:52.530 --> 0:09:53.930 Nah, it was a pretty boring cover. 0:09:54.170 --> 0:09:56.530 I looked at the cover and it was exactly what 0:09:56.570 --> 0:09:59.050 you It's like if an Ai put together a Yeah, 0:09:59.290 --> 0:10:00.530 it must be of what they do. 0:10:00.690 --> 0:10:04.050 Yeah, it must be a tricky line to walk, because 0:10:04.130 --> 0:10:06.330 you could have made a cover that would have gone viral, 0:10:06.490 --> 0:10:09.690 but it probably would have had to be. She's been 0:10:09.730 --> 0:10:12.530 styled a different way, her hairs up, she's wearing a 0:10:12.730 --> 0:10:15.210 ball gown, and then that would have attracted. So it's 0:10:15.290 --> 0:10:17.650 kind of like a small target cover. But then it's 0:10:17.730 --> 0:10:19.370 anny point doing a small. 0:10:19.170 --> 0:10:22.770 Target because I think that call her Daddy appearance was 0:10:22.810 --> 0:10:26.130 seen as so revolutionary and clever. Is because the biggest 0:10:26.130 --> 0:10:28.450 sense that undecided voters have about her is that they 0:10:28.490 --> 0:10:31.530 don't know her. That's what they keep telling polsters, and 0:10:31.570 --> 0:10:33.530 they're not going to get to know her more from 0:10:33.570 --> 0:10:36.450 a super stage any leave of its Vogue cover. They 0:10:36.530 --> 0:10:38.450 need to hear her in a kind of long form 0:10:38.530 --> 0:10:41.690 podcast setting and Joe Rogan. It's a smart choice for her. 0:10:42.050 --> 0:10:44.450 Harris needs Rogan more than the other way around. Seems 0:10:44.490 --> 0:10:45.330 to be the general consent. 0:10:45.330 --> 0:10:47.330 And I also hear she's got on Fox News. 0:10:47.570 --> 0:10:51.010 Yes, which is also smart because Pete Boudajed, who's a 0:10:51.050 --> 0:10:53.650 surrogate for the campaign and also in Biden's cabinet, goes 0:10:53.650 --> 0:10:56.370 on Fox News all the time. And people say that's 0:10:56.410 --> 0:10:58.650 why he's been able to sort of hone his messaging. 0:10:58.650 --> 0:11:00.490 He's seen as sort of the greatest communicator in the 0:11:00.490 --> 0:11:02.690 Democratic Party right now, and it's probably because he's been 0:11:02.770 --> 0:11:05.330 consistently forced to talk to people who disagree with him. 0:11:05.410 --> 0:11:09.890 It's a bit late, Kamala three weeks ago, baby. 0:11:09.970 --> 0:11:13.810 Go back to what is if it's my correct count 0:11:14.050 --> 0:11:18.650 the third assassination attempt, which the reporting popped up for 0:11:18.730 --> 0:11:20.570 five minutes and then seem to disappear. 0:11:20.810 --> 0:11:23.770 I just isn't this extraordinary? It sort of goes along 0:11:23.770 --> 0:11:25.650 with the theme of this episode, I think, which is 0:11:25.690 --> 0:11:28.690 if you'd told someone in twenty twelve that the presidential 0:11:28.730 --> 0:11:32.010 nominee had had three assassination attempts and we're not even 0:11:32.050 --> 0:11:34.690 talking about it, it kind of sums it all up. 0:11:34.770 --> 0:11:37.850 I think people are pretty skeptical about this assassination attempt. 0:11:37.850 --> 0:11:41.330 I've noticed that most news outlets are putting assassination attempt 0:11:41.330 --> 0:11:44.010 in quote marks. The facts are that a man, a 0:11:44.010 --> 0:11:47.130 forty nine year old man Van Miller, was arrested outside 0:11:47.130 --> 0:11:49.970 a Trump rally in California's Coachella Valley. 0:11:50.050 --> 0:11:50.970 Yes, that Coachella. 0:11:51.450 --> 0:11:54.570 The sheriff said, I truly do believe we prevented another 0:11:54.650 --> 0:11:58.970 assassination attempt. The Secret Service disagrees with that. Miller himself 0:11:59.010 --> 0:12:01.570 said that the claim he was an assassin was complete bullshit. 0:12:01.650 --> 0:12:03.810 Now maybe that's what he would say, but it is 0:12:03.890 --> 0:12:06.730 just an interesting data point. Basically, what happened was he 0:12:06.810 --> 0:12:09.530 had a phony press passed in an unregistered car and 0:12:09.570 --> 0:12:11.410 he was stopped trying to enter the rally. When the 0:12:11.450 --> 0:12:14.450 police searched the vehicle, they found a shotgun, a loaded handgun, 0:12:14.490 --> 0:12:17.610 all sorts of guns. My view on this, it's not 0:12:17.730 --> 0:12:20.330 surprising that a forty nine year old man going to 0:12:20.370 --> 0:12:22.650 a rally in the middle of the desert has a 0:12:22.650 --> 0:12:24.530 lot of guns in his car. I don't think that 0:12:24.610 --> 0:12:27.370 necessarily proves he wanted to use the guns on Donald Trump. 0:12:27.450 --> 0:12:30.010 Keep in mind, forty eight percent of Republicans report they 0:12:30.050 --> 0:12:32.770 own at least one gun, sixty six percent say they 0:12:32.770 --> 0:12:35.570 live in a household with a gun, and culturally that's 0:12:35.570 --> 0:12:38.210 sort of become a Republican badge of honor? Is this 0:12:38.290 --> 0:12:40.290 idea that I own a gun, I'm not afraid to 0:12:40.370 --> 0:12:41.970 use a gun. I don't think you can make the 0:12:42.050 --> 0:12:43.250 leap there. No. 0:12:44.050 --> 0:12:47.730 I have a question from an out louder named Georgie, 0:12:47.850 --> 0:12:51.290 who has asked, I want to know what actually will 0:12:51.370 --> 0:12:55.050 change for women in America if Trump or Harris gets in, 0:12:55.130 --> 0:12:58.090 because she says with all this fake news, she can't 0:12:58.090 --> 0:13:03.210 separate fact from fiction, will it tangibly impact the lives 0:13:03.210 --> 0:13:03.570 of women? 0:13:04.130 --> 0:13:07.130 Georgie, that's a really good question. I think there's two 0:13:07.290 --> 0:13:10.170 buckets here. The first bucket is abortion, and then the 0:13:10.210 --> 0:13:14.290 second bucket is the economy. Generally first on abortion, we 0:13:14.370 --> 0:13:17.210 don't know what Trump's going to do. At various points, 0:13:17.210 --> 0:13:20.970 He's said he will sign a nationwide abortion van various 0:13:20.970 --> 0:13:24.730 points he said he won't. JD Vanns's vice presidential candidate, 0:13:24.730 --> 0:13:27.730 has said similar contradictory things about what he wants to do. 0:13:28.370 --> 0:13:30.850 The fact is about half of American women right now 0:13:30.970 --> 0:13:33.690 can't really get an abortion if they want one, or 0:13:33.690 --> 0:13:37.290 at least not easily. If Harris got in. She has 0:13:37.330 --> 0:13:40.330 said that she'd like to expand that out to more people. Again, 0:13:41.090 --> 0:13:43.130 she legislatively would find that difficult. 0:13:43.250 --> 0:13:45.090 Just going to say could she do that, she can't 0:13:45.130 --> 0:13:47.450 promise to re state she can't. 0:13:47.690 --> 0:13:50.530 So I think with a Harris administration, you'll see the 0:13:50.530 --> 0:13:54.210 status quo on abortion. With a Trump administration, it is. 0:13:54.410 --> 0:13:56.770 I think it's reasonably likely that they will do what 0:13:56.850 --> 0:13:59.730 they can to further restrict abortion access. Whether that means 0:13:59.850 --> 0:14:02.690 nationwide abortion man, I don't know, because that is pretty 0:14:02.730 --> 0:14:06.610 extreme vement for them. But Republicans have talked about minimizing 0:14:06.690 --> 0:14:10.330 access to contraception and also making it. 0:14:10.250 --> 0:14:12.810 Harder to receive the so called abortion. 0:14:12.610 --> 0:14:14.570 Bill through the mail, which is what a lot of 0:14:14.610 --> 0:14:16.970 American women do as a work around now when they 0:14:16.970 --> 0:14:21.370 can't access abortion care in their state abortion. I do 0:14:21.450 --> 0:14:24.450 think that there's some real extremist measures that we could 0:14:24.490 --> 0:14:27.330 see under a Trump administration. Under a Harris administration, I 0:14:27.330 --> 0:14:29.690 don't think we could see much change in terms of 0:14:29.770 --> 0:14:33.690 getting more women access to abortion. On the economy, I 0:14:33.730 --> 0:14:36.330 think both candidates have talked about the need to make 0:14:36.450 --> 0:14:37.970 child came more affordable, things like this. 0:14:38.050 --> 0:14:39.450 I doubt any of that will happen. 0:14:39.490 --> 0:14:41.370 To be honest, the federal government in the US can 0:14:41.410 --> 0:14:43.770 only do so much on the economy. I do think 0:14:43.810 --> 0:14:46.930 Trump wants to implement some pretty sweeping reforms that are 0:14:46.970 --> 0:14:50.010 going to make consumer goods just hugely more expensive. So 0:14:50.130 --> 0:14:53.170 that's going to impact women and the economy as a whole. 0:14:53.690 --> 0:14:56.290 He wants to start more trade wars with China and others. 0:14:56.610 --> 0:14:59.410 It's going to be a volatile time economically, and that 0:14:59.490 --> 0:15:03.290 will have real implications for American women and also Australian women. 0:15:03.330 --> 0:15:05.690 By the way, Beyond that, I think those are the 0:15:05.690 --> 0:15:06.290 two buckets. 0:15:06.530 --> 0:15:09.450 Another out Louder has a question. Lenny writes, I would 0:15:09.530 --> 0:15:12.450 like to get under the backstory of Trump wants donating 0:15:12.530 --> 0:15:12.970 to come on. 0:15:13.330 --> 0:15:15.730 Yeah, thanks for this, Lenny, because this actually caused me 0:15:15.770 --> 0:15:17.810 to look into Trump's political history. 0:15:18.170 --> 0:15:19.210 Did you know that he. 0:15:19.770 --> 0:15:22.770 Was going to run for president in nineteen ninety nine, 0:15:22.810 --> 0:15:25.450 two thousand as an independent party? 0:15:25.610 --> 0:15:27.850 Yes, yes, I vaguely remember this. 0:15:28.130 --> 0:15:30.130 Yeah, I completely forgot about that. 0:15:30.290 --> 0:15:32.330 So he threatened to run for president quite a few 0:15:32.330 --> 0:15:33.650 times before he actually did it. 0:15:33.730 --> 0:15:36.210 He did, but he got quite close in ninety nine, 0:15:36.250 --> 0:15:39.170 two thousand. As I say, he was an independent candidate there. 0:15:39.170 --> 0:15:41.090 It's very much a two party system in the US, 0:15:41.130 --> 0:15:42.810 so there's no way he would have won but it's 0:15:42.810 --> 0:15:45.530 interesting to note then he was a registered Democrat. So 0:15:45.570 --> 0:15:48.770 in the US, when you register to vote, you need 0:15:48.810 --> 0:15:51.130 to declare whether you're a Democrat or a Republican. You 0:15:51.170 --> 0:15:54.250 can declare as not affiliated, which is what journalists like 0:15:54.250 --> 0:15:56.410 myself tend to do, but the default is that you 0:15:56.530 --> 0:15:58.490 declare for one party or the other. So with that 0:15:58.570 --> 0:16:02.090 in mind, from two thousand to twenty eleven he was 0:16:02.090 --> 0:16:05.330 a registered Democrat, which is not at all surprising. He 0:16:05.730 --> 0:16:08.170 lived in New York City, where the vast majority of people, 0:16:08.250 --> 0:16:11.730 particularly even the wealthiest people there, tend to be Democrats. 0:16:12.250 --> 0:16:16.450 He moved in social circles with the Clintons. Milania appeared 0:16:16.490 --> 0:16:18.130 on the cover of Vogue when they got married in 0:16:18.130 --> 0:16:20.370 two thousand and six. That's notable because an a Winter 0:16:20.930 --> 0:16:23.770 editor is a huge Democratic sarrogate and would not have 0:16:23.810 --> 0:16:25.770 put Millennia on the cover if there was any hint 0:16:25.770 --> 0:16:29.810 of Republicanism there. In twenty eleven, he did re register 0:16:29.930 --> 0:16:32.890 as a Republican that same year, though he cut a 0:16:32.930 --> 0:16:36.210 five thousand dollars check for Kamala Harris's reelection campaign to 0:16:36.210 --> 0:16:39.650 be California's Attorney General. The backstory on that is Fox 0:16:39.650 --> 0:16:43.610 News discovered that he wrote this check to attendee fundraising 0:16:43.650 --> 0:16:47.850 dinner for Harris, which Avanka Trump attended, and then Avanka 0:16:48.010 --> 0:16:51.010 actually donated again in twenty fourteen to Harris. 0:16:51.170 --> 0:16:53.090 Why hasn't that been made a bigger deal of. 0:16:53.450 --> 0:16:56.730 Because I think everyone knows that avunka politically had never 0:16:56.770 --> 0:16:59.530 really agreed with her father, but then when along in 0:16:59.570 --> 0:17:01.970 a naked power grab when he did get into office. 0:17:02.370 --> 0:17:05.530 Some people have joked that Harris should spend that money 0:17:05.650 --> 0:17:08.170 that he gave her there on her presidential campaign. Now 0:17:08.770 --> 0:17:12.490 it's not possible. The Sacramento b which is a California newspaper, 0:17:12.570 --> 0:17:15.290 reported in twenty twenty that she'd actually given away the 0:17:15.450 --> 0:17:19.050 entire six thousand dollars he'd given her when she began 0:17:19.090 --> 0:17:21.450 her run for the US Senate because she knew already 0:17:21.490 --> 0:17:23.450 at that point this was toxic money, and she gave 0:17:23.450 --> 0:17:26.610 it to a civil rights nonprofit working in Central America, which. 0:17:26.450 --> 0:17:28.650 Is a nice bowl. On top of this whole story. 0:17:28.450 --> 0:17:31.890 That's really interesting, not because I'm surprised that Trump was 0:17:32.210 --> 0:17:34.290 a Democrat, because I don't believe he gives a shit 0:17:34.330 --> 0:17:37.170 about anything except for Trump so his swing with the breeze, 0:17:37.490 --> 0:17:39.970 but he loves to say what a mess she made 0:17:40.010 --> 0:17:43.250 of California and how California is as attorney general, and 0:17:43.250 --> 0:17:45.690 that how it's a cesspool, and it's like, well, you 0:17:45.770 --> 0:17:47.330 thought at one point she was a good thing. 0:17:47.570 --> 0:17:48.530 Yeah, exactly. 0:17:48.610 --> 0:17:51.810 And it also hits on something which Australian listeners may 0:17:51.850 --> 0:17:54.490 not be aware of, which is that in the US, 0:17:54.610 --> 0:17:57.290 because it's so much more polarized. If you are a 0:17:57.370 --> 0:18:00.130 rich person living in New York, you are a Democrat. 0:18:00.250 --> 0:18:02.770 It's not like here where the sort of like moneyed 0:18:02.890 --> 0:18:05.890 end of town won't really tell you who they're voting for. 0:18:06.970 --> 0:18:08.810 It's out in the open for him to live in 0:18:08.850 --> 0:18:10.690 New York as long as he did and to be 0:18:10.770 --> 0:18:14.930 moving in the vogue circles. By definition, he's a Democrat. 0:18:15.010 --> 0:18:17.290 So that's what made his run for office all the 0:18:17.330 --> 0:18:18.730 more shocking and surprising. 0:18:18.970 --> 0:18:19.970 And why he lives in Florida. 0:18:20.050 --> 0:18:21.050 Why he lives in Florida. 0:18:21.090 --> 0:18:25.250 Now, Charlotte asked this question, which I am wondering too, 0:18:25.290 --> 0:18:27.730 because we are two and a half weeks out from 0:18:27.890 --> 0:18:31.730 the people going and voting. She asks, how long until 0:18:31.730 --> 0:18:34.930 we will know before the final electoral college count? 0:18:35.050 --> 0:18:40.370 Oh, Charlotte, Charlotte, I'm not that smart. I wish I knew. 0:18:40.610 --> 0:18:43.330 I mean, one thing's for sure, you were not going 0:18:43.370 --> 0:18:46.410 to know on election night. We haven't known on election 0:18:46.490 --> 0:18:49.650 night the last few elections, So that's do you know. 0:18:49.570 --> 0:18:50.370 The next stage? 0:18:50.410 --> 0:18:52.850 And like, how does it normally go? Because I forget 0:18:52.850 --> 0:18:54.010 this every election. 0:18:53.810 --> 0:18:56.010 But except remind me because you say we didn't know, 0:18:56.210 --> 0:18:59.530 and we didn't. But remember that horrible day in twenty 0:18:59.570 --> 0:19:02.970 sixteen with the New York Times needle, which was election 0:19:03.170 --> 0:19:06.970 Day where everybody thought. I remember even here, we were 0:19:06.970 --> 0:19:08.930 all obsessed with that needle on the front of the 0:19:09.530 --> 0:19:11.410 right and they were counting out and obviously it's not 0:19:11.450 --> 0:19:14.810 the final vote count, but obviously there was enough momentum 0:19:14.850 --> 0:19:19.210