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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Maya acknowledges

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Speaker 1: the traditional owners of the land and waters that this

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Speaker 1: podcast is recorded on.

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Speaker 2: I'm a Shiny Dante host of But Are You Happy?

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Speaker 3: Did you know that.

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Speaker 2: One in five Australians experience and mental health condition each year,

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Speaker 2: Yet too many suffer in silence. Talking about our feelings

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Speaker 2: and experiences is one of the most powerful steps towards

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Speaker 2: healing and knowing we're not alone. That's why we're introducing

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Speaker 2: I Never told You This, a series created to spark honest,

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Speaker 2: meaningful conversations that support better mental well being, brought to

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Speaker 2: you by Medibank.

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Speaker 1: I'm just actually feeling really freaking angry right now. What

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Speaker 1: a wasted emotion?

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Speaker 4: Pride is two people, one big reveal. I never told

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Speaker 4: you this, A simple card game where one question could

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Speaker 4: change everything. It starts live What's more things brings my joy?

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to answer that.

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Speaker 4: Then comes the moment that could shift a relationship forever.

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Speaker 4: As they finished this sentence, I never told you this.

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Speaker 4: I've never told you.

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Speaker 2: They never told you this.

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Speaker 4: Today, cousins Tina and Yula will be sitting down together.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how she's going to take what I'll

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Speaker 3: be sharing with her.

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Speaker 4: Yula has something big to reveal to her cousin Tina.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Well, I've got this fun game called the Mediebank

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Speaker 3: Family Roast Card Game.

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Speaker 1: Why not? I'm up for anything.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to pick up a card.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: In what way do you think we're similar?

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Speaker 1: Both can talk Underwater've both got a very quirky outlook

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Speaker 1: on life, willing to train anything once. How long will

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Speaker 1: we got.

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Speaker 3: My John?

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Speaker 1: Let's go tell us about an embarrassing childhood memory.

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Speaker 3: At your house in the country. When I decided to

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Speaker 3: lock my sister in the out what are they called

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Speaker 3: the toilet outhouse and didn't tell anyone came inside the

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Speaker 3: house or playing or playing and dancing to music. I

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Speaker 3: got into so much trouble. It was a very bad

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Speaker 3: thing to do, and I'm very you regret it. I'm

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Speaker 3: not going to answer that.

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Speaker 1: Is there a family tradition you hope continues for generations?

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Speaker 3: In our culture? Great Easter is one of the biggest nights.

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Speaker 3: It's quite spectacular.

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Speaker 1: And in the middle of the night. That's something different.

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Speaker 3: My turn to pick up a card. I never told

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Speaker 3: you this, Okay, you know how whenever I see you,

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Speaker 3: you are constantly asking me why I'm giving you things,

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Speaker 3: whether it's food, useless objects, nice things, And we've tried,

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Speaker 3: you've tried to diagnose it. I'm correct, correct, and I

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Speaker 3: do know why I do it. And it's because the

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Speaker 3: big one when I was about between the ages of

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Speaker 3: eight and twelve, whenever you close the takeaway shop that

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Speaker 3: you owned in the country eight hours six eight hours away,

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Speaker 3: it was you'd come down for public holidays. You'd call

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Speaker 3: us when you're on your way, and then we'd just

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Speaker 3: been camped outside waiting and counting the cars for the

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Speaker 3: whole hours, and then when you'd finally get there and say, oh,

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Speaker 3: you know, you're so excited to see me, which I

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Speaker 3: genuinely was. But part of the reason I was excited

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Speaker 3: was that I knew your family would be bringing all

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Speaker 3: the food from the shop. I don't know whether you knew.

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Speaker 3: My mum never wanted me to tell you. She didn't

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Speaker 3: want any of you to know that we didn't have

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Speaker 3: money for food.

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Speaker 2: The rest of this episode of I never told you this.

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Speaker 2: Right after the break.

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Speaker 3: I remember some weeks we would eat nothing but boiled potatoes.

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Speaker 3: We would often go days without any food. We were

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Speaker 3: literally starving, and just seeing that car and all the

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Speaker 3: food and things that I would never be able to

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Speaker 3: afford to buy, like chips and chocolates, was just like

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Speaker 3: our lifeline.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's huge. I had no idea. I'm just

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Speaker 1: actually feeling really freaking angry right now because it just

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Speaker 1: goes to show what a wasted emotion pride is. You know,

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Speaker 1: you're cousins. We never wanted for anything. We didn't have

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Speaker 1: lots of everything. We had enough, and to think that

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Speaker 1: you guys didn't have enough breaks my heart.

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Speaker 3: And I'm sure if my family, my parents reached out,

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Speaker 3: your parents would have absolutely helped us.

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Speaker 1: You always look after the children. It's not anything to

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Speaker 1: put an extra plate out, do you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I know things were hard, like you know, especially for

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Speaker 1: immigrant families, you know, with parents learning English as a

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Speaker 1: second language, things were quite tough. But I remember my

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Speaker 1: dad telling me, you know that he'd often work three

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Speaker 1: or four jobs at a time just to try and

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Speaker 1: were always okay.

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Speaker 3: You know, my dad had his own issues and couldn't

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Speaker 3: keep a job down. My mum had mental health issues.

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Speaker 3: Both our families migrated. Your parents opened up a shop

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Speaker 3: and were doing well. Mine was struggling to make ends

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Speaker 3: meet or hold down any regular work. Your parents were

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Speaker 3: successful and they were failures.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that's something that's just endemic and bunks,

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Speaker 1: not just Greeks, but lots of cultures. They waste their

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Speaker 1: time worrying about what are the people going to think,

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Speaker 1: when actually no one's thinking of about them at all.

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Speaker 1: If my dad had known that things were that difficult

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Speaker 1: for you, he would have employed your parents. You know,

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Speaker 1: we could have all lived together and worked together because

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Speaker 1: God knows we needed workers. You know something it didn't

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Speaker 1: have to happen.

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Speaker 3: Moving forward, it's how do we make it better for

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Speaker 3: us and our children and how important it is to

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Speaker 3: ask for help. It might be the norm to suffer

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Speaker 3: in silence, so we know in our culture it's a

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Speaker 3: pride thing. But we need to change that, and we

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Speaker 3: change that by coming out setting an example.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, remember when we were kids. You couldn't

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Speaker 1: find any You couldn't find a translator. How many times

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Speaker 1: did you get dragged on an office with your mum

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Speaker 1: and trying to explain something? You know? So I think

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Speaker 1: definitely is a social thing. We are progressing as a society,

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Speaker 1: but as you said, it is very important that new

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Speaker 1: companies understand. Everybody needs to understand it's okay. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with asking for help, and all you're

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Speaker 1: doing by hanging on to some ridiculous pride is just

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Speaker 1: injuring yourself.

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Speaker 3: I feel like this whole weight has come off and

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Speaker 3: that I can sleep well tonight, you know, decades later.

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Speaker 3: As soon as I see your car pulling up, it

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Speaker 3: just takes me back to that childhood, and the instinct

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Speaker 3: is the happiness, the happiness, the food, and I just

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Speaker 3: feel eternally obligated to give something back, which is why

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Speaker 3: I will not let you leave my house without things,

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Speaker 3: whether it's olaves or sweets, it's just this.

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Speaker 1: You've held onto this for so many years, and how

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Speaker 1: many hours have we wasted try to God knows what

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Speaker 1: kind of disorder you have.

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Speaker 3: We caught a reverse hoarding. Thank you. I really appreciate

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Speaker 3: you coming on board today. I know it's been suspenseful,

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Speaker 3: and I hope you are able to accept what happened

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Speaker 3: and not take any responsibility for it, and just appreciate

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Speaker 3: what you did and what a big impact you had

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Speaker 3: in my life, because that's what I want this to

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Speaker 3: be about.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's anything I couldn't ask you for,

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Speaker 1: and I hope that you feel the same. I genuine

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Speaker 1: is I to