1 00:00:10,574 --> 00:00:15,294 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mumma Mea acknowledges 2 00:00:15,334 --> 00:00:18,174 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 3 00:00:18,214 --> 00:00:21,454 Speaker 1: is recorded on Hi. 4 00:00:21,614 --> 00:00:24,774 Speaker 2: I'm Grace Rubray. This is Muma MEA's twice daily news podcast, 5 00:00:24,854 --> 00:00:28,854 Speaker 2: The Quikie. The conversation around online safety has never been 6 00:00:28,854 --> 00:00:31,974 Speaker 2: more urgent off the back of the government's proposed age 7 00:00:32,014 --> 00:00:35,694 Speaker 2: restrictions to social media and new parent controls like Instagram's 8 00:00:35,734 --> 00:00:39,214 Speaker 2: teen accounts introduced by social media giant Meta. The question 9 00:00:39,414 --> 00:00:42,654 Speaker 2: is whose responsibility is it to keep kids safe online? 10 00:00:43,254 --> 00:00:45,454 Speaker 2: Is it up to the parents to monitor their children's 11 00:00:45,454 --> 00:00:48,814 Speaker 2: digital lives or should tech companies be held accountable for 12 00:00:48,894 --> 00:00:52,614 Speaker 2: creating safer environments. Today on the Quickie, we'll explore the 13 00:00:52,654 --> 00:00:55,854 Speaker 2: complexities of social media rules and where the current measures 14 00:00:55,894 --> 00:00:59,414 Speaker 2: are enough to protect young users in an increasingly digital world. 15 00:01:00,054 --> 00:01:02,374 Speaker 2: But before we do that, here's Claire Murphy with the 16 00:01:02,454 --> 00:01:05,134 Speaker 2: latest news headlines for Monday, September twenty three. 17 00:01:05,734 --> 00:01:08,614 Speaker 1: Thanks Grace, the Princess of Wales has made her first 18 00:01:08,654 --> 00:01:12,414 Speaker 1: public appearances, announcing she'd finished her chemo treatment. Kate and 19 00:01:12,534 --> 00:01:15,734 Speaker 1: husband William attended church on Sunday alongside King Charles and 20 00:01:15,814 --> 00:01:19,454 Speaker 1: Queen Camilla near the Balmoral estate in Scotland. The children 21 00:01:19,574 --> 00:01:22,574 Speaker 1: did not attend. Catherine announced earlier this month that she'd 22 00:01:22,574 --> 00:01:26,654 Speaker 1: finalized chemotherapy treatment after being diagnosed with an undisclosed form 23 00:01:26,694 --> 00:01:29,494 Speaker 1: of cancer, advising she'll be back to public duties, but 24 00:01:29,534 --> 00:01:31,974 Speaker 1: they'll be limited as her road to recovery is long. 25 00:01:32,494 --> 00:01:35,854 Speaker 1: Australia's first ever women's shelter has been recognized awarded New 26 00:01:35,894 --> 00:01:38,774 Speaker 1: South Wales State Heritage Register honors for being a leader 27 00:01:38,814 --> 00:01:42,414 Speaker 1: in the fight against domestic violence. Elsie Refuge in Glebe 28 00:01:42,414 --> 00:01:45,694 Speaker 1: in Sydney's Inner West was founded in nineteen seventy four 29 00:01:45,934 --> 00:01:49,574 Speaker 1: a group of activists including journalists and Somers and Bessie Guthrie, 30 00:01:49,894 --> 00:01:53,574 Speaker 1: used squatters' rights to claim abandoned houses, soon becoming the 31 00:01:53,574 --> 00:01:55,854 Speaker 1: model for hundreds of other shelters that would come after. 32 00:01:56,334 --> 00:01:58,574 Speaker 1: Doctor Summers says while it was a radical thing to 33 00:01:58,614 --> 00:02:01,494 Speaker 1: do at the time, what was really groundbreaking was giving 34 00:02:01,534 --> 00:02:04,174 Speaker 1: women a space where they could freely discuss their domestic 35 00:02:04,254 --> 00:02:07,694 Speaker 1: violence experiences. The house where the shelter first opened will 36 00:02:07,694 --> 00:02:10,134 Speaker 1: now have a State Heritage Plark place on the wall, 37 00:02:10,294 --> 00:02:12,694 Speaker 1: which will include a quote from Katie Gilchrist for the 38 00:02:12,694 --> 00:02:16,774 Speaker 1: Dictionary of Sydney, which reads armed only with broomsticks, shovels 39 00:02:16,814 --> 00:02:20,974 Speaker 1: and energetic determination. They changed the locks to establish residency 40 00:02:21,094 --> 00:02:25,774 Speaker 1: and claimed squatter's rights. Israel and Lebanon have exchanged heavy fire, 41 00:02:25,854 --> 00:02:29,214 Speaker 1: with Israeli planes carrying out the most intense bombardment in 42 00:02:29,254 --> 00:02:32,654 Speaker 1: almost a year of war across Lebanon South, while Hesbelah 43 00:02:32,654 --> 00:02:36,294 Speaker 1: claimed rocket attacks on military targets in Israel's north. The 44 00:02:36,414 --> 00:02:39,054 Speaker 1: escalating attacks come less than forty eight hours after in 45 00:02:39,174 --> 00:02:43,174 Speaker 1: Israeli air strike targeting Hesbela commanders killed at least thirty 46 00:02:43,214 --> 00:02:46,534 Speaker 1: seven people in a suburb of the Lebanese capital. Hesbela, 47 00:02:46,694 --> 00:02:50,374 Speaker 1: a powerful Iranian backed group, said sixteen members, including senior 48 00:02:50,454 --> 00:02:54,054 Speaker 1: leader Ibrahim Aquil and another commander, were amongst those killed. 49 00:02:54,334 --> 00:02:57,174 Speaker 1: The attack leveled a multi story residential building in the 50 00:02:57,214 --> 00:03:00,694 Speaker 1: crowded suburb and damaged a nursery next door, killing three 51 00:03:00,774 --> 00:03:04,654 Speaker 1: children and seven women. Fridays strike escalated the conflict and 52 00:03:04,694 --> 00:03:08,134 Speaker 1: inflicted another blow to Hesblah after two days of attacks 53 00:03:08,134 --> 00:03:12,134 Speaker 1: in which pages and handheld radios used by its members exploded, 54 00:03:12,214 --> 00:03:16,294 Speaker 1: killing thirty nine people and injuring three thousand others. Actress 55 00:03:16,294 --> 00:03:19,214 Speaker 1: Demi Moore has appeared on the Jennifer Hudson Show, revealing 56 00:03:19,334 --> 00:03:22,774 Speaker 1: she does not give her daughter parenting advice. Moore says 57 00:03:22,814 --> 00:03:25,014 Speaker 1: something she's learned is that you don't give advice in 58 00:03:25,094 --> 00:03:28,374 Speaker 1: general unless you are asked, saying of daughter Rumor, who 59 00:03:28,414 --> 00:03:31,014 Speaker 1: is a mom to seventeen month old Luetta, that she's 60 00:03:31,054 --> 00:03:33,374 Speaker 1: a wonderful mother and that she's so proud of her. 61 00:03:33,694 --> 00:03:37,014 Speaker 1: More says, if she's asked, she'll share her experiences, strength 62 00:03:37,054 --> 00:03:39,454 Speaker 1: and hope, but if she's not, she knows it's better 63 00:03:39,534 --> 00:03:41,614 Speaker 1: just to keep her mouth shut and allow her daughter 64 00:03:41,654 --> 00:03:42,734 Speaker 1: to find her own way. 65 00:03:43,014 --> 00:03:46,334 Speaker 2: Thanks Claire. Coming up, we dive into the ongoing discussion 66 00:03:46,414 --> 00:03:49,454 Speaker 2: about online safety and what it really means for families 67 00:03:49,454 --> 00:04:00,014 Speaker 2: and tech companies. It seems like every few weeks there's 68 00:04:00,014 --> 00:04:03,134 Speaker 2: a new tech update to help productivity, change the way 69 00:04:03,134 --> 00:04:07,214 Speaker 2: we do everyday tasks, or put safeguards in to ironically 70 00:04:07,294 --> 00:04:11,974 Speaker 2: protect us from such technological advancement. The Apple versus Android 71 00:04:12,054 --> 00:04:15,254 Speaker 2: battle rages on with each release, and both sides continue 72 00:04:15,254 --> 00:04:17,254 Speaker 2: to push the limits on what our devices can do. 73 00:04:17,734 --> 00:04:20,854 Speaker 2: But it's not just the actual hardware rolling out new updates. 74 00:04:21,214 --> 00:04:24,254 Speaker 2: It's also apps, and the conversation seems to always come 75 00:04:24,294 --> 00:04:28,414 Speaker 2: back to one thing, social media, and now the governments 76 00:04:28,454 --> 00:04:31,974 Speaker 2: are stepping in. Earlier this month, the federal government committed 77 00:04:31,974 --> 00:04:35,494 Speaker 2: to a trial of age verification technology across all social 78 00:04:35,534 --> 00:04:38,854 Speaker 2: media platforms. The policy was first introduced by the South 79 00:04:38,894 --> 00:04:42,614 Speaker 2: Australian government in early September, which would force social media 80 00:04:42,654 --> 00:04:45,774 Speaker 2: companies to ban children thirteen years old or younger or 81 00:04:45,894 --> 00:04:48,894 Speaker 2: face fines. The federal government said that it will make 82 00:04:48,894 --> 00:04:51,614 Speaker 2: it a formal policy after the coalition said in June 83 00:04:51,774 --> 00:04:54,614 Speaker 2: it would seek a bipartisan deal on the issue. Prime 84 00:04:54,614 --> 00:04:57,094 Speaker 2: Minister Anthony Alberizi said the government was looking at the 85 00:04:57,134 --> 00:05:00,614 Speaker 2: age range between fourteen and sixteen, but personally preferred a 86 00:05:00,694 --> 00:05:01,294 Speaker 2: higher limit. 87 00:05:01,814 --> 00:05:04,374 Speaker 3: I want to see kids off their devices and not 88 00:05:04,534 --> 00:05:07,054 Speaker 3: of the footy fields and the swimming pools and the 89 00:05:07,054 --> 00:05:11,014 Speaker 3: tennis courts. We want them to have have real experiences 90 00:05:11,054 --> 00:05:12,134 Speaker 3: with real people. 91 00:05:12,294 --> 00:05:13,134 Speaker 1: Because we know. 92 00:05:13,614 --> 00:05:17,294 Speaker 3: That social media is causing social harm. We have committed 93 00:05:17,334 --> 00:05:22,574 Speaker 3: to introducing legislation before the end of this year for 94 00:05:22,894 --> 00:05:27,014 Speaker 3: our age verification to make for that we get young 95 00:05:27,094 --> 00:05:30,094 Speaker 3: people away from this social harm. 96 00:05:30,494 --> 00:05:33,134 Speaker 2: The question is whose job is it to keep kids 97 00:05:33,134 --> 00:05:37,894 Speaker 2: safe online the platforms, the government or should this responsibility 98 00:05:37,934 --> 00:05:41,734 Speaker 2: fall squarely on the Parents Meta, the parent company of 99 00:05:41,814 --> 00:05:45,734 Speaker 2: Instagram and Facebook, has just introduced sweeping new controls to 100 00:05:45,814 --> 00:05:49,134 Speaker 2: limit what young users can see and who can contact them. 101 00:05:49,574 --> 00:05:52,934 Speaker 2: Instagram's new teen accounts aim to give parents more control. 102 00:05:53,574 --> 00:05:55,694 Speaker 2: When asked if this was in response to the government's 103 00:05:55,734 --> 00:06:00,574 Speaker 2: social media restrictions, Instagram's Chief executive officer Adam Mosserri said, 104 00:06:00,614 --> 00:06:02,774 Speaker 2: these changes have been in the works for over a 105 00:06:02,854 --> 00:06:05,534 Speaker 2: year and it's going out now because it's ready now. 106 00:06:05,894 --> 00:06:08,734 Speaker 2: They've tried wherever possible to find the overlap between what 107 00:06:08,814 --> 00:06:12,814 Speaker 2: parents want, what teams want, and lean into that. Communications 108 00:06:12,854 --> 00:06:16,334 Speaker 2: Minister Michelle Roland welcomed the news of Instagram teen accounts, 109 00:06:16,374 --> 00:06:19,214 Speaker 2: but reiterated it's not linked to government policy. 110 00:06:19,334 --> 00:06:23,094 Speaker 4: The announcement we've seen today applies to one platform, that 111 00:06:23,254 --> 00:06:28,454 Speaker 4: is Instagram. The government is seeking to introduce legislation have 112 00:06:28,574 --> 00:06:31,414 Speaker 4: that passed by the Parliament, will introduce that this year 113 00:06:31,854 --> 00:06:36,454 Speaker 4: that relates to access to social media by children. We're 114 00:06:36,494 --> 00:06:40,614 Speaker 4: looking at an aid range here of between thirteen and sixteen, but. 115 00:06:40,694 --> 00:06:44,134 Speaker 2: Not all socials are on the same page. Snapchat CEO 116 00:06:44,294 --> 00:06:47,734 Speaker 2: Evan Spiegel has some strong opinions on this. He thinks 117 00:06:47,774 --> 00:06:50,614 Speaker 2: parents already have all the tools they need, whether it's 118 00:06:50,654 --> 00:06:54,494 Speaker 2: Apple screen time controls or Snapchat's own family center. Spiegel, 119 00:06:54,534 --> 00:06:57,334 Speaker 2: who has three kids with Miranda Kerr, told The Sydney 120 00:06:57,334 --> 00:06:59,614 Speaker 2: Morning Herald it's up to parents, not the platforms, to 121 00:06:59,654 --> 00:07:02,134 Speaker 2: handle the job of keeping their kids safe online, as 122 00:07:02,134 --> 00:07:05,854 Speaker 2: that's what he and Kerr do with scams targeting older 123 00:07:05,894 --> 00:07:10,054 Speaker 2: generations online mental health concerns for young people and everything between. 124 00:07:10,534 --> 00:07:15,094 Speaker 2: Online safety seems to be a universal issue. Whether it's misinformation, 125 00:07:15,374 --> 00:07:18,894 Speaker 2: privacy risks, or just spending too much time doom scrolling, 126 00:07:19,374 --> 00:07:23,054 Speaker 2: it's something every generation has to navigate. Trevor Loong is 127 00:07:23,054 --> 00:07:26,254 Speaker 2: a tech expert and the host of two podcasts, EFTM 128 00:07:26,374 --> 00:07:29,134 Speaker 2: and Two Blokes Talking Tech. He's here to break down 129 00:07:29,134 --> 00:07:31,854 Speaker 2: the new Meta and Instagram restrictions and to help us 130 00:07:31,894 --> 00:07:33,934 Speaker 2: figure out if any of this is really making the 131 00:07:34,014 --> 00:07:37,414 Speaker 2: online world safer for anyone. Trevor, I like to start 132 00:07:37,454 --> 00:07:40,174 Speaker 2: by getting you to explain Meta's new update and the 133 00:07:40,254 --> 00:07:41,654 Speaker 2: Instagram for Teens feature. 134 00:07:42,334 --> 00:07:44,934 Speaker 5: Yeah, this is a fascinating thing because it's more than 135 00:07:45,054 --> 00:07:49,534 Speaker 5: just about creating parental controls. In my view, it's about 136 00:07:49,574 --> 00:07:55,254 Speaker 5: forcing parental controls. So Instagram like TikTok, Xbox, PlayStation, a 137 00:07:55,294 --> 00:07:58,094 Speaker 5: lot of these things have parental controls, and we'll get 138 00:07:58,134 --> 00:07:59,374 Speaker 5: into the fact that I don't think a lot of 139 00:07:59,374 --> 00:08:02,974 Speaker 5: parents use them later. But what Instagram has done is said, look, 140 00:08:03,014 --> 00:08:06,654 Speaker 5: we're going to create a teen account, and any teenager 141 00:08:06,654 --> 00:08:09,734 Speaker 5: that they identify currently by birth date, we'll get at 142 00:08:09,894 --> 00:08:12,174 Speaker 5: this team account, which is essentially a tick box on 143 00:08:12,254 --> 00:08:14,974 Speaker 5: all the highest level restrictions, and they are things like 144 00:08:15,174 --> 00:08:17,614 Speaker 5: your account has to be private, you can't message people 145 00:08:17,654 --> 00:08:20,174 Speaker 5: you don't know. There'll be some filters on your dms 146 00:08:20,174 --> 00:08:22,494 Speaker 5: in terms of the words and looking for bullying, harassment. 147 00:08:22,654 --> 00:08:25,414 Speaker 5: There'll be filters on content you see. So they'll enforce 148 00:08:25,414 --> 00:08:28,374 Speaker 5: a sixty minute time limit on the day, although it's 149 00:08:28,414 --> 00:08:30,934 Speaker 5: more of a reminder. After sixty minutes, they'll put in 150 00:08:30,974 --> 00:08:34,374 Speaker 5: place an immediate overnight kind of stop on notification, so 151 00:08:34,454 --> 00:08:36,814 Speaker 5: you won't get a notification on your bedside at one 152 00:08:36,854 --> 00:08:40,094 Speaker 5: am in the morning. That's probably just the top level stuff. 153 00:08:40,134 --> 00:08:42,054 Speaker 5: A lot of little tweaks underneath that. But all of 154 00:08:42,094 --> 00:08:45,014 Speaker 5: these things, while they have been available for many years, 155 00:08:45,334 --> 00:08:49,894 Speaker 5: are being turned on by default four teens, and if 156 00:08:49,934 --> 00:08:54,014 Speaker 5: you're under sixteen, you cannot turn them off unless you 157 00:08:54,214 --> 00:08:57,974 Speaker 5: have linked your parents' Instagram account, and only your parent 158 00:08:58,014 --> 00:08:58,654 Speaker 5: can approve that. 159 00:08:59,934 --> 00:09:01,894 Speaker 2: What is your view on this, because I do feel 160 00:09:01,894 --> 00:09:05,174 Speaker 2: like you have quite your opinions are quite strong. Are 161 00:09:05,254 --> 00:09:08,374 Speaker 2: you for or against these changes? 162 00:09:08,814 --> 00:09:12,574 Speaker 5: I think this is genuinely and look, I spoke to 163 00:09:12,614 --> 00:09:15,054 Speaker 5: the boss of Instagram, Adam Massari, the other day before 164 00:09:15,054 --> 00:09:17,774 Speaker 5: they announced this, and I peel. You know, when you 165 00:09:17,814 --> 00:09:19,894 Speaker 5: talk to someone, you get a real sense of their 166 00:09:19,934 --> 00:09:21,734 Speaker 5: true belief in something and whether or not they're just 167 00:09:21,734 --> 00:09:22,974 Speaker 5: doing it for the sake of this is a guy 168 00:09:23,014 --> 00:09:26,134 Speaker 5: who's got young kids, knows this is his future problem 169 00:09:26,454 --> 00:09:28,774 Speaker 5: and that this is potentially going to cost them users 170 00:09:29,014 --> 00:09:30,774 Speaker 5: and engagement a bunch of things. But they're doing it 171 00:09:30,774 --> 00:09:34,214 Speaker 5: because they think it's right. I have a seventeen year 172 00:09:34,254 --> 00:09:36,454 Speaker 5: old turning eighteen. I have a fourteen year old girl, 173 00:09:36,654 --> 00:09:39,294 Speaker 5: and have a twelve year old boy turning thirteen very soon, 174 00:09:39,334 --> 00:09:41,694 Speaker 5: and for his birthday, like his brother and sister, he 175 00:09:41,774 --> 00:09:45,054 Speaker 5: wants Instagram, he wants social media and he'll get it 176 00:09:45,094 --> 00:09:48,094 Speaker 5: because he's waited un till he's thirty eight. I am 177 00:09:48,094 --> 00:09:50,894 Speaker 5: a digital parent, so I'm egotistically at a different level. 178 00:09:50,894 --> 00:09:53,014 Speaker 5: I enforce these things. I have these rules, I know 179 00:09:53,094 --> 00:09:56,494 Speaker 5: these but there's a bunch of parents who are unaware 180 00:09:56,494 --> 00:10:00,294 Speaker 5: of these things, blissfully unaware or ignorantly unaware. You choose, 181 00:10:00,694 --> 00:10:03,454 Speaker 5: and they don't know how to enforce these things, and 182 00:10:03,534 --> 00:10:07,574 Speaker 5: so these restrictions are being essentially forced upon their kids, 183 00:10:08,134 --> 00:10:10,774 Speaker 5: and inherently, if their kids want to make a change, 184 00:10:10,934 --> 00:10:14,134 Speaker 5: a conversation is forced upon that parent and that child. 185 00:10:14,174 --> 00:10:16,054 Speaker 5: And that is the best thing we can have. We 186 00:10:16,174 --> 00:10:19,694 Speaker 5: need parents talking to kids about why do you want 187 00:10:19,694 --> 00:10:21,254 Speaker 5: to be a public account? Who do you want to 188 00:10:21,254 --> 00:10:24,174 Speaker 5: get d m's from? Have a conversation. It changes everything 189 00:10:24,374 --> 00:10:27,694 Speaker 5: when you actually talk to your kids about the rules, 190 00:10:27,974 --> 00:10:30,014 Speaker 5: the changes and the restrictions. 191 00:10:30,254 --> 00:10:33,574 Speaker 2: I want to ask about the potential loopholes. Can a 192 00:10:33,734 --> 00:10:36,294 Speaker 2: child like if they have Instagram and they go, well, 193 00:10:36,294 --> 00:10:38,174 Speaker 2: maybe I'll just set up an account and I won't 194 00:10:38,174 --> 00:10:41,574 Speaker 2: say my age. I'll put in that I'm thirty. Is 195 00:10:41,614 --> 00:10:45,534 Speaker 2: that possible? Are there loopholes that because teens are digital 196 00:10:45,614 --> 00:10:47,454 Speaker 2: natives growing up with this stuff, that they're going to 197 00:10:47,454 --> 00:10:48,854 Speaker 2: be able to get around all of this. 198 00:10:50,054 --> 00:10:52,294 Speaker 5: You're not let a vape at school, kids do it. 199 00:10:52,414 --> 00:10:54,174 Speaker 5: You're not let to have your phones at school anymore. 200 00:10:54,254 --> 00:10:56,014 Speaker 5: Kids get them through. Kids are always going to get 201 00:10:56,014 --> 00:10:59,014 Speaker 5: by some rules so yeah, I imagine there'll be kids 202 00:10:59,014 --> 00:11:01,614 Speaker 5: that set up new accounts and don't care about fullgoing 203 00:11:01,614 --> 00:11:03,094 Speaker 5: all their followers and I'll create a new account with 204 00:11:03,134 --> 00:11:07,054 Speaker 5: an adult birth date. Instagram's smart, though, and look to 205 00:11:07,134 --> 00:11:10,094 Speaker 5: be clear, kids will slip through the cracks. They're smart 206 00:11:10,134 --> 00:11:12,294 Speaker 5: and they're ready for some of this stuff. So they will. 207 00:11:12,374 --> 00:11:15,254 Speaker 5: For example, they'll identify, hang on a minute, this device 208 00:11:15,694 --> 00:11:17,934 Speaker 5: had a teen account on it yesterday, and now you 209 00:11:17,934 --> 00:11:19,574 Speaker 5: want to be an adult account, and they might stop that. 210 00:11:20,054 --> 00:11:22,374 Speaker 5: Not yet, but within the next twelve months they're going 211 00:11:22,374 --> 00:11:27,014 Speaker 5: to start actually identifying teens who have adult birth dates 212 00:11:27,054 --> 00:11:29,894 Speaker 5: and putting them into the teen account buckets. That's more 213 00:11:29,934 --> 00:11:33,934 Speaker 5: of a technical AI computer programming challenge, which is like, well, 214 00:11:34,054 --> 00:11:36,894 Speaker 5: language is being used, what content are they liking or 215 00:11:36,894 --> 00:11:38,894 Speaker 5: who are they following? And you know, is this clearly 216 00:11:38,934 --> 00:11:41,014 Speaker 5: a teen account or is this an adult? And so 217 00:11:41,054 --> 00:11:44,254 Speaker 5: they'll actually crack down on that. So, yes, there'll be loopholes. 218 00:11:44,254 --> 00:11:46,774 Speaker 5: Parents need to be engaged in this, and we can 219 00:11:46,814 --> 00:11:48,654 Speaker 5: open a whole lot of candle worms about this whole 220 00:11:48,694 --> 00:11:51,974 Speaker 5: social media debate. But it's not the government's role to 221 00:11:52,054 --> 00:11:53,974 Speaker 5: stop kids doing things. It's parents. 222 00:11:54,654 --> 00:11:58,494 Speaker 2: Let's have that conversation because Snapchat CEO Evan Spiegel has 223 00:11:59,214 --> 00:12:00,814 Speaker 2: said this, and he agrees with you. He said that 224 00:12:00,854 --> 00:12:03,574 Speaker 2: parents already have the tools to manage screen time, and 225 00:12:03,614 --> 00:12:06,214 Speaker 2: there are things that companies are bringing in, but at 226 00:12:06,214 --> 00:12:08,174 Speaker 2: the end of the day, it does come down to 227 00:12:08,894 --> 00:12:12,654 Speaker 2: parents making sure their kids are safe online. Do you 228 00:12:12,694 --> 00:12:13,614 Speaker 2: agree with him? 229 00:12:14,174 --> 00:12:16,254 Speaker 5: I agree part, but I want to be very clear 230 00:12:16,254 --> 00:12:18,374 Speaker 5: on my views. I think that if you ranked the 231 00:12:18,414 --> 00:12:22,374 Speaker 5: big platforms, let's say TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, and Snapchat, Snapchat 232 00:12:22,414 --> 00:12:26,214 Speaker 5: is the least most teen and parent friendly platform on 233 00:12:26,254 --> 00:12:30,614 Speaker 5: the planet. TikTok probably has the best level of restrictions, 234 00:12:30,654 --> 00:12:33,574 Speaker 5: but Instagram has sur passed that by enforcing them. Facebook's 235 00:12:33,614 --> 00:12:36,614 Speaker 5: not really tean thing, but it's there. But Snapchat, while 236 00:12:36,614 --> 00:12:39,574 Speaker 5: there are printo controls, they're the biggest risk to kids 237 00:12:39,614 --> 00:12:43,494 Speaker 5: because kids can share their location, messages disappear. Like we 238 00:12:43,574 --> 00:12:46,014 Speaker 5: have this conversation with my twelve year old recently. It's like, now, 239 00:12:46,134 --> 00:12:48,294 Speaker 5: just say, you know, when you get all this stuff, 240 00:12:48,774 --> 00:12:50,934 Speaker 5: I prefer that you stuck with WhatsApp for messaging your 241 00:12:50,934 --> 00:12:54,494 Speaker 5: mates because there's always a record. I want you to 242 00:12:54,534 --> 00:12:56,974 Speaker 5: know what you said and what he said, because he 243 00:12:57,014 --> 00:13:00,134 Speaker 5: said she said situation on Snapchat. The record's gone. That's 244 00:13:00,174 --> 00:13:03,134 Speaker 5: the biggest problem with Snapchat. So, I mean, he's right 245 00:13:03,694 --> 00:13:07,854 Speaker 5: that parental controls do exist. But man, Snapchat is the 246 00:13:07,854 --> 00:13:09,414 Speaker 5: one that if I could do anything, if I could 247 00:13:09,654 --> 00:13:11,534 Speaker 5: not have my kids on it, I would. But I 248 00:13:11,614 --> 00:13:13,774 Speaker 5: know that by not having my kids on there, I'm 249 00:13:13,814 --> 00:13:15,734 Speaker 5: excluding them from a peer group. And so that as 250 00:13:15,774 --> 00:13:18,134 Speaker 5: a parent is your biggest challenge is if I ban 251 00:13:18,334 --> 00:13:20,734 Speaker 5: my kids from something over and above what all their 252 00:13:20,774 --> 00:13:23,894 Speaker 5: mates are doing, I'm actually creating exclusion for them, and 253 00:13:23,894 --> 00:13:27,454 Speaker 5: that's problematic for kids at school. So, yes, he's right parents. 254 00:13:28,014 --> 00:13:31,774 Speaker 5: Parents need to educate themselves on what the parental controls are. 255 00:13:32,214 --> 00:13:34,054 Speaker 5: I would argue Snapchat is one of the platforms that 256 00:13:34,134 --> 00:13:36,614 Speaker 5: needs to go further. So for example, if I was 257 00:13:36,814 --> 00:13:39,094 Speaker 5: the government or I was Snapchat cee, I would say, 258 00:13:39,374 --> 00:13:41,294 Speaker 5: we have made it so there is no such thing 259 00:13:41,294 --> 00:13:43,774 Speaker 5: as a disappearing message on Snapchat until you are eighteen 260 00:13:43,814 --> 00:13:45,294 Speaker 5: years old. Well, let's do that. 261 00:13:45,734 --> 00:13:48,574 Speaker 2: So many people talk about the mental health aspects of 262 00:13:48,614 --> 00:13:52,894 Speaker 2: this conversation fourteens, but if we look at the downside 263 00:13:52,894 --> 00:13:55,614 Speaker 2: to social media and technology, there is kind of a 264 00:13:55,654 --> 00:13:59,374 Speaker 2: downside for all generations. Whether it's Boom is not quite 265 00:13:59,534 --> 00:14:03,934 Speaker 2: understanding scams or getting caught up in misinformation. Do you 266 00:14:03,974 --> 00:14:06,374 Speaker 2: think all generations are struggling with social media in their 267 00:14:06,414 --> 00:14:06,814 Speaker 2: own way? 268 00:14:07,294 --> 00:14:09,334 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think all generations struggle with technology in their 269 00:14:09,334 --> 00:14:11,774 Speaker 5: own and now victims of technology you mentioned the best 270 00:14:11,774 --> 00:14:16,174 Speaker 5: one there is. However, seventies are at huge risk from 271 00:14:16,454 --> 00:14:19,614 Speaker 5: crypto romance, all these different scams that you know, some 272 00:14:19,694 --> 00:14:22,814 Speaker 5: of us would just laugh at how how ridiculous they are. 273 00:14:22,854 --> 00:14:25,334 Speaker 5: But we need to understand the generational difference, and social 274 00:14:25,454 --> 00:14:29,294 Speaker 5: media has huge impacts on the mental health of all 275 00:14:29,334 --> 00:14:30,854 Speaker 5: of us. You know, we talk about kids and the 276 00:14:30,934 --> 00:14:34,134 Speaker 5: impact of kids seeing you know, beauty and cosmetics. I 277 00:14:34,174 --> 00:14:36,694 Speaker 5: mean I look at social media sometimes and I think 278 00:14:37,054 --> 00:14:39,294 Speaker 5: he's got a better laugh than me or whatever. So 279 00:14:39,374 --> 00:14:41,734 Speaker 5: you've got to know that it has an impact on 280 00:14:41,814 --> 00:14:44,734 Speaker 5: you and those algorithms are feeding you what you want 281 00:14:44,774 --> 00:14:48,654 Speaker 5: to see. So again I come back to my long 282 00:14:48,734 --> 00:14:52,414 Speaker 5: standing view. Since the very day that Peter malinask As 283 00:14:52,454 --> 00:14:55,094 Speaker 5: the South Australian Premiere, brought up this thing, I called 284 00:14:55,174 --> 00:14:57,334 Speaker 5: him a root word. I said he was silly in 285 00:14:57,374 --> 00:14:59,894 Speaker 5: a different way because I think it's a silly argument 286 00:14:59,934 --> 00:15:01,654 Speaker 5: to say that we just do this thing and it 287 00:15:01,694 --> 00:15:05,214 Speaker 5: stops because if we stopped all social media for everyone, 288 00:15:05,814 --> 00:15:10,374 Speaker 5: we would still have bones, text, messages, WhatsApp. Also there's 289 00:15:10,414 --> 00:15:13,534 Speaker 5: other apps the kids have, like discordant things. So bullying 290 00:15:13,894 --> 00:15:18,614 Speaker 5: will happen via messages. Bullying will happen via text. Billing 291 00:15:18,654 --> 00:15:21,574 Speaker 5: will happen by passing notes in school. It's not going 292 00:15:21,654 --> 00:15:25,854 Speaker 5: to be ended by social media being banned. Content will 293 00:15:25,934 --> 00:15:29,254 Speaker 5: be shared outside of social media with kids. So we 294 00:15:29,334 --> 00:15:33,254 Speaker 5: need to be talking about educating parents on content awareness 295 00:15:33,654 --> 00:15:36,334 Speaker 5: and how to be digital savvy because this is not 296 00:15:36,414 --> 00:15:38,894 Speaker 5: going away. No want to come off like I'm the 297 00:15:38,934 --> 00:15:42,534 Speaker 5: perfect parent. I'm not. We've had issues. One of my 298 00:15:42,614 --> 00:15:45,014 Speaker 5: children change schools because of an issue on social media. 299 00:15:45,134 --> 00:15:48,054 Speaker 5: We have had issues. I believe there's a problem, but 300 00:15:48,534 --> 00:15:51,294 Speaker 5: I don't believe the solution is government. I believe the 301 00:15:51,294 --> 00:15:55,414 Speaker 5: solution is education and parents and understanding and realizing that 302 00:15:56,014 --> 00:15:58,534 Speaker 5: the world's tough kids have got it tough and that 303 00:15:58,614 --> 00:16:00,614 Speaker 5: they always have. I had a tough time at school, 304 00:16:00,734 --> 00:16:02,894 Speaker 5: so does my kids. That's life. Unfortunately. 305 00:16:05,454 --> 00:16:07,894 Speaker 2: If you feel passionate about the conversation and want to 306 00:16:07,934 --> 00:16:10,494 Speaker 2: hear more, may have Friedman, Olly, Wayne Wright, and Jesse 307 00:16:10,574 --> 00:16:13,574 Speaker 2: Stevens talked about all the social media restrictions this week 308 00:16:13,694 --> 00:16:15,854 Speaker 2: on Mamma Mia out Loud. There's a link to the 309 00:16:15,854 --> 00:16:18,654 Speaker 2: episode in the show notes. Thank you for taking some 310 00:16:18,734 --> 00:16:21,374 Speaker 2: time to feed your mind with us today. This episode 311 00:16:21,374 --> 00:16:23,694 Speaker 2: of The Quickie is produced by me Grace Ruffrey and 312 00:16:23,734 --> 00:16:27,614 Speaker 2: our senior producer Taylor Strano, with audio production by Jacob Brown.