1 00:00:11,064 --> 00:00:11,384 Speaker 1: So much. 2 00:00:11,424 --> 00:00:16,024 Speaker 2: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges 3 00:00:16,104 --> 00:00:19,584 Speaker 2: the traditional owners of land and borders that this podcast 4 00:00:19,704 --> 00:00:25,904 Speaker 2: is recorded on From Mamma Mia. 5 00:00:26,144 --> 00:00:28,784 Speaker 3: Welcome to the Spill your daily pop culture fix. 6 00:00:29,064 --> 00:00:31,344 Speaker 2: I'm em Vernon and I'm Laura Brodneck. 7 00:00:31,624 --> 00:00:33,024 Speaker 3: Happy there's it. 8 00:00:33,944 --> 00:00:36,144 Speaker 2: I love how you were so confused about what day 9 00:00:36,184 --> 00:00:36,464 Speaker 2: it was? 10 00:00:36,624 --> 00:00:37,184 Speaker 3: Day is it? 11 00:00:37,304 --> 00:00:38,504 Speaker 2: I wonder if we should say at the top of 12 00:00:38,504 --> 00:00:40,464 Speaker 2: the episodes what day it was in case people are 13 00:00:40,464 --> 00:00:42,504 Speaker 2: just getting confused by time and place like you are. 14 00:00:42,544 --> 00:00:44,624 Speaker 3: That's true because I'm sure doesn't say it on their 15 00:00:44,664 --> 00:00:46,824 Speaker 3: podcast app, so we have it pref. 16 00:00:46,664 --> 00:00:49,064 Speaker 2: You anyway more interesting than what day of the week 17 00:00:49,104 --> 00:00:51,824 Speaker 2: it is. Although that's a valuable contribution to the discussion today. 18 00:00:51,824 --> 00:00:54,864 Speaker 2: Thank you, Emily. We're going to be talking about Kanye 19 00:00:54,944 --> 00:00:57,744 Speaker 2: West has gone absolutely off the rails with some tweets 20 00:00:57,744 --> 00:01:00,344 Speaker 2: that he posted today along with the release of his 21 00:01:00,384 --> 00:01:02,304 Speaker 2: new album. We're going to unpack that because it's brought 22 00:01:02,344 --> 00:01:06,544 Speaker 2: a lot of big celebrity names into this conversation about him. Plus, 23 00:01:06,904 --> 00:01:09,464 Speaker 2: Emily Vernham has a new enemy, and her name is 24 00:01:09,464 --> 00:01:11,064 Speaker 2: Gwyneth Paltrow. I feel like. 25 00:01:12,744 --> 00:01:13,944 Speaker 3: Enemy's a strong word. 26 00:01:14,224 --> 00:01:16,544 Speaker 2: You just said that everything in your life is about her, 27 00:01:16,664 --> 00:01:17,424 Speaker 2: that everything. 28 00:01:17,344 --> 00:01:19,264 Speaker 3: That's wrong in your life about my life, and it's 29 00:01:19,264 --> 00:01:22,704 Speaker 3: all about this massive Vanity Fair article interview she did. 30 00:01:23,064 --> 00:01:24,984 Speaker 2: We're going to be dissecting, we're going to unpack that, 31 00:01:25,104 --> 00:01:27,824 Speaker 2: so strap in for that. But First Married at First 32 00:01:27,864 --> 00:01:30,904 Speaker 2: Sight is over for another week. We're getting towards the 33 00:01:30,944 --> 00:01:32,904 Speaker 2: tail end of it now, which means things are getting 34 00:01:32,904 --> 00:01:35,104 Speaker 2: off the rails. The you know, last bits of the 35 00:01:35,144 --> 00:01:37,584 Speaker 2: story are going into place. A lot of the contestants 36 00:01:37,624 --> 00:01:40,544 Speaker 2: are now not hiding what is happening in their real life, 37 00:01:40,544 --> 00:01:43,224 Speaker 2: which is obviously having a few repercussions on the show 38 00:01:43,224 --> 00:01:45,744 Speaker 2: that we're watching now, which was filmed months ago. So 39 00:01:45,824 --> 00:01:47,904 Speaker 2: a big plot point from this week is that they 40 00:01:47,904 --> 00:01:50,424 Speaker 2: did their home visits, you know, with these fake married 41 00:01:50,464 --> 00:01:53,984 Speaker 2: couples take their fake partner to their real home, and 42 00:01:54,024 --> 00:01:56,344 Speaker 2: it's meant to sort of show them what their real 43 00:01:56,384 --> 00:01:58,584 Speaker 2: life would be like away from like in the walls 44 00:01:58,584 --> 00:02:00,584 Speaker 2: of the experiment where they're living in these like service 45 00:02:00,584 --> 00:02:03,824 Speaker 2: apartments and doing these filming activities to kind of see 46 00:02:03,824 --> 00:02:05,464 Speaker 2: if they can make it in the real world, and 47 00:02:05,464 --> 00:02:06,824 Speaker 2: spoiler alert, most of them don't. 48 00:02:06,984 --> 00:02:09,104 Speaker 3: How would your family feel if you brought your fake 49 00:02:09,184 --> 00:02:10,064 Speaker 3: husband to meet them. 50 00:02:10,384 --> 00:02:11,904 Speaker 2: I mean at the stage of the game, because I'm 51 00:02:11,944 --> 00:02:14,824 Speaker 2: single in my thirties, they're probably quite happy. 52 00:02:15,064 --> 00:02:16,504 Speaker 3: We'll take what we can get. Yeah. 53 00:02:16,544 --> 00:02:18,384 Speaker 2: My mom will be like, no, it's fine, you're fake 54 00:02:18,464 --> 00:02:19,664 Speaker 2: married to and we love that. 55 00:02:19,864 --> 00:02:21,864 Speaker 3: And your millions of siblings would be like what the hell. 56 00:02:22,144 --> 00:02:24,064 Speaker 2: Yeah, they just be like, oh, I'm just another person 57 00:02:24,104 --> 00:02:26,344 Speaker 2: to add to the fray. Most of my family would 58 00:02:26,344 --> 00:02:27,824 Speaker 2: just be worried if he's tall or not. That seems 59 00:02:27,824 --> 00:02:29,544 Speaker 2: to be the thing my aunts and cousins care about 60 00:02:29,544 --> 00:02:31,224 Speaker 2: all new partners. So that would be. 61 00:02:31,264 --> 00:02:33,024 Speaker 3: If your tall contenders in this season. 62 00:02:33,344 --> 00:02:35,024 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean, as we said before, I'm not 63 00:02:35,024 --> 00:02:37,904 Speaker 2: looking at the married at first sight contestants. Although once 64 00:02:37,944 --> 00:02:40,624 Speaker 2: they leave the show, they then go to every Sydney 65 00:02:40,664 --> 00:02:42,864 Speaker 2: movie premiere for the rest of their life. 66 00:02:42,664 --> 00:02:45,544 Speaker 3: And they're always the most decked out and they're always 67 00:02:45,784 --> 00:02:47,904 Speaker 3: this has just gone off the red, always like in 68 00:02:47,944 --> 00:02:50,504 Speaker 3: these massive ball gowns and where they're and are like 69 00:02:50,624 --> 00:02:52,264 Speaker 3: black teas and jeans. 70 00:02:52,264 --> 00:02:54,624 Speaker 2: Right, and they're the ones pushing in on the media wall, 71 00:02:54,664 --> 00:02:56,024 Speaker 2: and they're the ones who are taking to me. 72 00:02:56,064 --> 00:02:58,744 Speaker 3: I mean, I do this show apologize to them for 73 00:02:58,904 --> 00:03:00,184 Speaker 3: being in their presence. 74 00:03:00,104 --> 00:03:02,384 Speaker 2: Because we're getting in their way. Well that's the thing now, 75 00:03:02,464 --> 00:03:04,344 Speaker 2: is that that's probably a very us problem as we're 76 00:03:04,344 --> 00:03:06,184 Speaker 2: watching Married at First Sight and you see a really 77 00:03:06,184 --> 00:03:08,944 Speaker 2: annoying man and for everyone else, you're like, oh, I'll 78 00:03:08,984 --> 00:03:11,064 Speaker 2: never see him again. So it's fine. I'm that man's 79 00:03:11,064 --> 00:03:13,064 Speaker 2: going to be sitting behind me now at every movie 80 00:03:13,104 --> 00:03:15,264 Speaker 2: I go to, I'm going to have to push past 81 00:03:15,344 --> 00:03:17,504 Speaker 2: him in the line. This is going to affect my life. 82 00:03:17,584 --> 00:03:19,104 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm sure they listen to the. 83 00:03:19,104 --> 00:03:24,784 Speaker 2: Spell so well, sorry, back to home visits. So once again, 84 00:03:24,824 --> 00:03:27,544 Speaker 2: one of the main storylines from this week is around 85 00:03:27,704 --> 00:03:30,704 Speaker 2: Jackie and Ryan. One of the more these two are 86 00:03:30,744 --> 00:03:33,064 Speaker 2: just like every headline, they're giving us a lot of fodder, 87 00:03:33,424 --> 00:03:37,664 Speaker 2: the Jym storyline he wouldn't shave his beard for her, 88 00:03:38,224 --> 00:03:41,344 Speaker 2: but also all the storylines around people calling her emotional 89 00:03:41,424 --> 00:03:44,104 Speaker 2: and crazy. So what's interesting on this couple is that 90 00:03:44,104 --> 00:03:47,184 Speaker 2: they've got a very prominent storyline on the show, which 91 00:03:47,464 --> 00:03:49,624 Speaker 2: Jackie has come out when she's gone rogue on her 92 00:03:49,624 --> 00:03:51,824 Speaker 2: different social accounts, has come out and said it's very 93 00:03:51,944 --> 00:03:54,264 Speaker 2: edited and it does come across a little bit that way. 94 00:03:54,384 --> 00:03:56,264 Speaker 2: Is in the things actually happen, but the order of 95 00:03:56,304 --> 00:03:58,584 Speaker 2: which we're seeing them and the bits they're choosing to 96 00:03:58,624 --> 00:04:03,344 Speaker 2: show have really painted her as quite the stereotypical crazy, 97 00:04:03,504 --> 00:04:06,864 Speaker 2: crying woman, where she's saying, that's a different story. And 98 00:04:06,944 --> 00:04:09,624 Speaker 2: so what's interesting is that what's happening behind the scenes 99 00:04:09,664 --> 00:04:11,504 Speaker 2: with these two is always, I think a bit more 100 00:04:11,504 --> 00:04:14,104 Speaker 2: interesting or at least changes the storyline on the show, 101 00:04:14,304 --> 00:04:17,104 Speaker 2: because she's been doing all those tiktoks, seeing the different 102 00:04:17,104 --> 00:04:19,384 Speaker 2: parts of the show that were cut and what was 103 00:04:19,424 --> 00:04:22,304 Speaker 2: really happening behind the scenes. And then he's also come 104 00:04:22,344 --> 00:04:24,224 Speaker 2: out and said a bunch of stuff about her. But 105 00:04:24,304 --> 00:04:26,424 Speaker 2: one of the things he said this week is that 106 00:04:26,544 --> 00:04:27,944 Speaker 2: and I think he meant this to be like a 107 00:04:27,984 --> 00:04:31,384 Speaker 2: real burn and a real kind of exclusive plot twist 108 00:04:31,544 --> 00:04:34,464 Speaker 2: that would have people's jaws on the floor. So when 109 00:04:34,464 --> 00:04:36,144 Speaker 2: they did the homestay, he was supposed to go and 110 00:04:36,144 --> 00:04:38,784 Speaker 2: stay at her place, and he said her actual place 111 00:04:38,864 --> 00:04:41,504 Speaker 2: was a rental apartment with two other housemaids, so she 112 00:04:41,584 --> 00:04:44,544 Speaker 2: lives with housemates in Sydney, which is very normal. So 113 00:04:44,704 --> 00:04:47,384 Speaker 2: instead they got an AIRB and B to film in 114 00:04:47,464 --> 00:04:49,184 Speaker 2: to make it look like her home. They had to 115 00:04:49,224 --> 00:04:50,784 Speaker 2: pretend it was her home. 116 00:04:51,024 --> 00:04:52,584 Speaker 3: Why that's so weird. 117 00:04:52,824 --> 00:04:54,904 Speaker 2: No, it's actually not. They do them on reality TV 118 00:04:55,064 --> 00:04:57,504 Speaker 2: all the time. When people have homestays, they often rent 119 00:04:57,504 --> 00:04:59,424 Speaker 2: airbnbs because I don't want to show their actual home 120 00:04:59,424 --> 00:05:00,704 Speaker 2: with their homes and right for filming. 121 00:05:00,784 --> 00:05:02,744 Speaker 3: So she would have made that decision to not use 122 00:05:02,784 --> 00:05:03,344 Speaker 3: her actual home. 123 00:05:03,344 --> 00:05:05,184 Speaker 2: I don't think anyone for the production has come out 124 00:05:05,224 --> 00:05:07,184 Speaker 2: and released a huge statement about it, but a few 125 00:05:07,184 --> 00:05:10,264 Speaker 2: production insiders have said that because she lived with two 126 00:05:10,344 --> 00:05:12,784 Speaker 2: housemates it was a really small space, they didn't think 127 00:05:12,784 --> 00:05:15,144 Speaker 2: it was appropriate for filming, so she wanted to have 128 00:05:15,264 --> 00:05:17,584 Speaker 2: the airbnb. She hasn't come out and said that, but 129 00:05:17,624 --> 00:05:21,024 Speaker 2: that's the story, but I most would too. Yeah, I 130 00:05:21,024 --> 00:05:22,504 Speaker 2: don't want I don't want a crazy man in my 131 00:05:22,544 --> 00:05:23,184 Speaker 2: pretty apartment. 132 00:05:24,224 --> 00:05:25,784 Speaker 3: Because if she was the one saying can we do 133 00:05:25,824 --> 00:05:28,984 Speaker 3: an airbnb versus like producers coming into home going this 134 00:05:29,144 --> 00:05:30,824 Speaker 3: is not going to make the cut. We need to 135 00:05:30,824 --> 00:05:31,584 Speaker 3: take you to somewhere. 136 00:05:31,664 --> 00:05:34,904 Speaker 2: Yeah, and also maybe the two housemates were like absolutely 137 00:05:34,944 --> 00:05:38,384 Speaker 2: do jop in a towel, brushing their teeth and it's 138 00:05:38,424 --> 00:05:41,224 Speaker 2: like meet the parents. It's like all the terrible things 139 00:05:41,304 --> 00:05:43,824 Speaker 2: your housemaids do, like steal stuff from the fridge, leave 140 00:05:43,864 --> 00:05:47,104 Speaker 2: their dirty dishes, leave towels, invite their creepy boyfriends over, 141 00:05:47,264 --> 00:05:49,224 Speaker 2: who like take up too much space. But this creepy 142 00:05:49,264 --> 00:05:52,664 Speaker 2: boyfriend comes with a film crew. Yeah, so I don't 143 00:05:52,664 --> 00:05:55,024 Speaker 2: think it's quite the mic drop that he thought that was. 144 00:05:55,024 --> 00:05:56,704 Speaker 2: But I guess some people like you, I guess, are 145 00:05:56,744 --> 00:05:58,024 Speaker 2: quite shocked that that happens. 146 00:05:59,584 --> 00:06:00,544 Speaker 3: Here, Blue me Away. 147 00:06:00,584 --> 00:06:02,664 Speaker 2: Here's me like reading this and being like, oh my god. 148 00:06:02,664 --> 00:06:05,784 Speaker 2: Everyone knows they use airbnbs for filming when they need to, 149 00:06:06,024 --> 00:06:09,024 Speaker 2: Like what, okay, your mind is blown. The biggest thing 150 00:06:09,104 --> 00:06:11,784 Speaker 2: is that Jackie has been a lots of different parts 151 00:06:11,784 --> 00:06:13,904 Speaker 2: of her life now, and even though on the show 152 00:06:13,984 --> 00:06:16,624 Speaker 2: it's kind of looking like they could potentially stay together, 153 00:06:16,664 --> 00:06:18,544 Speaker 2: like that's how it's edited for the tension to be 154 00:06:18,624 --> 00:06:18,944 Speaker 2: that way. 155 00:06:19,064 --> 00:06:21,224 Speaker 3: I thought they were allowed to share lives until the show. 156 00:06:21,344 --> 00:06:22,864 Speaker 2: No, No, she's on completely rogue. 157 00:06:22,904 --> 00:06:24,144 Speaker 3: But can't she get sued? 158 00:06:24,464 --> 00:06:26,944 Speaker 2: I think yes, there's definitely a lot of legalities there. 159 00:06:27,064 --> 00:06:28,984 Speaker 2: But she's come out and said that she signed up 160 00:06:29,024 --> 00:06:32,064 Speaker 2: for a real raw experiment and what she's seeing is 161 00:06:32,104 --> 00:06:35,664 Speaker 2: this crazy edited version of herself and that it was 162 00:06:35,744 --> 00:06:38,344 Speaker 2: manipulated to look like something else. So then she's been 163 00:06:38,384 --> 00:06:41,784 Speaker 2: doing all these like instagrams and tiktoks sharing all the 164 00:06:41,824 --> 00:06:44,264 Speaker 2: information and like telling her side of the story as 165 00:06:44,304 --> 00:06:47,624 Speaker 2: the episodes drop, so that you're getting her version and 166 00:06:47,664 --> 00:06:49,704 Speaker 2: the show, which are two different realities, which has made 167 00:06:49,704 --> 00:06:52,704 Speaker 2: it a very different experience. And so she's also said 168 00:06:52,744 --> 00:06:54,264 Speaker 2: that she's with her new partner, so we know that 169 00:06:54,304 --> 00:06:57,224 Speaker 2: she's not with the Jellers. I no, no, no, that's 170 00:06:57,224 --> 00:06:58,904 Speaker 2: what I mean. Like, you're watching the show and they're like, oh, 171 00:06:58,984 --> 00:07:01,664 Speaker 2: they're going to stay together, and then outside of filming 172 00:07:01,704 --> 00:07:04,304 Speaker 2: she's like, yeah, I hate this guy. I'm with my 173 00:07:04,384 --> 00:07:04,984 Speaker 2: boyfriend now. 174 00:07:05,024 --> 00:07:07,304 Speaker 3: And then we see the classic paparazzi shots to them 175 00:07:07,384 --> 00:07:10,184 Speaker 3: having to go to court to get the marriage on legal. 176 00:07:11,024 --> 00:07:13,144 Speaker 2: What don't they do that? No, because it's not a 177 00:07:13,224 --> 00:07:13,784 Speaker 2: legal wedding. 178 00:07:14,224 --> 00:07:14,984 Speaker 3: What are we doing here? 179 00:07:15,144 --> 00:07:17,424 Speaker 2: Okay, well that was we don't have. 180 00:07:17,984 --> 00:07:19,624 Speaker 3: I thought they have to get it in the old 181 00:07:19,664 --> 00:07:20,584 Speaker 3: or something, but they do not. 182 00:07:20,704 --> 00:07:23,904 Speaker 2: Emily, they don't get legally married or married at first 183 00:07:24,184 --> 00:07:27,224 Speaker 2: they're not are you just married at first sight? But 184 00:07:27,224 --> 00:07:28,384 Speaker 2: they just do the ceremony. 185 00:07:28,584 --> 00:07:30,784 Speaker 3: So the whole thing is just what situationship at first sight? 186 00:07:31,304 --> 00:07:32,504 Speaker 3: Old on that this show? 187 00:07:32,704 --> 00:07:33,824 Speaker 2: Oh my god, Oh my. 188 00:07:33,744 --> 00:07:35,584 Speaker 3: God, it's the point of the whole show. 189 00:07:35,704 --> 00:07:38,544 Speaker 2: Okay, we've gone. So they film the wedding, but they 190 00:07:38,704 --> 00:07:41,704 Speaker 2: married segment. They're not married. They're just pretending to be 191 00:07:41,744 --> 00:07:44,304 Speaker 2: married for the TV show. Oh my god, I cannot 192 00:07:44,304 --> 00:07:46,904 Speaker 2: explain to you how reality is crazy. So it's not. 193 00:07:46,944 --> 00:07:48,464 Speaker 2: Of course, it's not a legal marriage. 194 00:07:48,504 --> 00:07:50,464 Speaker 3: Why not? I thought that's the whole point. That's why 195 00:07:50,544 --> 00:07:51,464 Speaker 3: it makes it so good. 196 00:07:51,504 --> 00:07:53,904 Speaker 2: No, no, no, So they have the marriage and the celebrant 197 00:07:53,904 --> 00:07:55,784 Speaker 2: doesn't actually because you can go like media. 198 00:07:55,624 --> 00:07:57,624 Speaker 3: And they have attull wedding and they're not really married. 199 00:07:57,664 --> 00:07:59,824 Speaker 2: Yeah, but they film the wedding multiple times. It's like 200 00:07:59,864 --> 00:08:02,464 Speaker 2: filming a TV show, and the celebrate doesn't really say 201 00:08:02,504 --> 00:08:05,144 Speaker 2: the full shtick. People from media get invited to come 202 00:08:05,184 --> 00:08:06,824 Speaker 2: and watch the filming. It's a full day. 203 00:08:06,864 --> 00:08:08,464 Speaker 3: Do people bring like them wedding gifts? 204 00:08:09,064 --> 00:08:13,984 Speaker 2: Nobody? I don't think, Oh my god, I feel like 205 00:08:14,024 --> 00:08:15,344 Speaker 2: I know this was so political. 206 00:08:16,064 --> 00:08:18,264 Speaker 3: So if they break up, they're just like okay. 207 00:08:18,504 --> 00:08:20,384 Speaker 2: Yeah, they just don't see. That's why when people leave 208 00:08:20,384 --> 00:08:21,544 Speaker 2: the experiment, they just leave. 209 00:08:21,584 --> 00:08:23,624 Speaker 3: Why does everyone do this? I could do this easy? 210 00:08:23,904 --> 00:08:25,024 Speaker 2: What pretend to get married? 211 00:08:25,104 --> 00:08:26,704 Speaker 3: Yeah? Because I get really married. 212 00:08:27,144 --> 00:08:31,104 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's a TV show they're filming it as 213 00:08:31,144 --> 00:08:33,024 Speaker 2: part of the show, Like that's the idea to have 214 00:08:33,144 --> 00:08:36,624 Speaker 2: that moment on film, But no one's getting legally married. 215 00:08:37,104 --> 00:08:38,544 Speaker 2: So when they leave the show, they just leave. 216 00:08:38,624 --> 00:08:40,624 Speaker 3: That's it, Like I expected more. 217 00:08:41,264 --> 00:08:43,064 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I just feel like you're watching the 218 00:08:43,104 --> 00:08:45,784 Speaker 2: show through the complete Now one day we're getting so stressed. 219 00:08:45,424 --> 00:08:48,704 Speaker 1: About it, so stressed about these people because you're like 220 00:08:48,744 --> 00:08:50,824 Speaker 1: because I'm like, oh my god, the legality is after 221 00:08:50,904 --> 00:08:52,824 Speaker 1: like dealing with all of that, and then you get 222 00:08:52,824 --> 00:08:55,024 Speaker 1: a bad edit and now now you have to deal 223 00:08:55,064 --> 00:08:56,424 Speaker 1: with this divorce proceedings. 224 00:08:56,544 --> 00:08:59,464 Speaker 2: No, it's just cosplaying married. I mean, this is a conversation. 225 00:08:59,504 --> 00:09:02,424 Speaker 2: I did not think it crazy. Poor little innocent soul 226 00:09:02,464 --> 00:09:02,824 Speaker 2: over here. 227 00:09:02,864 --> 00:09:04,504 Speaker 3: I did not know this is what you find more 228 00:09:04,544 --> 00:09:06,184 Speaker 3: than the avy and pity. 229 00:09:06,624 --> 00:09:09,184 Speaker 2: Well maybe off michae I'll explain to you how reality 230 00:09:09,184 --> 00:09:10,864 Speaker 2: TV works because we just don't have time to get 231 00:09:10,864 --> 00:09:11,624 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. 232 00:09:13,504 --> 00:09:18,024 Speaker 3: A new interview Exclusive Interview has dropped on Vanity Fair 233 00:09:18,144 --> 00:09:22,304 Speaker 3: and is with the one and only Gwynett Paltrow. So 234 00:09:22,344 --> 00:09:25,784 Speaker 3: the headline for this article was Gwene Paltrow on Motherhood, 235 00:09:26,304 --> 00:09:30,984 Speaker 3: Make America Healthy Again, Megan Markle making out with Timothy Shalloway, 236 00:09:31,104 --> 00:09:35,544 Speaker 3: and much more. She talked a lot in this article, 237 00:09:35,584 --> 00:09:37,384 Speaker 3: which I feel like similar to when we talked about 238 00:09:37,384 --> 00:09:39,744 Speaker 3: Scarlett Your Hands, and I don't really know much about 239 00:09:39,744 --> 00:09:43,944 Speaker 3: her life, But unlike Scajo, this article didn't actually make 240 00:09:44,024 --> 00:09:46,184 Speaker 3: me fall in love really, yeah, did it make you 241 00:09:46,184 --> 00:09:46,744 Speaker 3: fall in love with that? 242 00:09:47,024 --> 00:09:50,184 Speaker 2: I already kind of like Onnyneth Paltrow that problematic. 243 00:09:49,584 --> 00:09:51,664 Speaker 3: To why do you like her so much? I don't know. 244 00:09:51,784 --> 00:09:54,224 Speaker 2: She's just a proper movie star, Like she's just not 245 00:09:54,384 --> 00:09:57,464 Speaker 2: anymore well what I mean, like her persona, Like I 246 00:09:57,504 --> 00:09:59,184 Speaker 2: mean her like back cut a lot of films, is 247 00:09:59,184 --> 00:10:03,184 Speaker 2: like quite impressive. But also she just is that quintessential 248 00:10:03,224 --> 00:10:06,584 Speaker 2: movie star, Like she's so unearthly, she's so unattainable. She's 249 00:10:06,584 --> 00:10:08,984 Speaker 2: absolutely crazy. Except the time I saw her not be 250 00:10:08,984 --> 00:10:10,784 Speaker 2: able to walk in wedge heels, I was like, well, 251 00:10:10,784 --> 00:10:14,144 Speaker 2: every woman has the same downfall. When I was watching 252 00:10:14,144 --> 00:10:17,584 Speaker 2: her walk, yeah, and I was like, you know, the 253 00:10:17,664 --> 00:10:19,504 Speaker 2: end of the day, we're all undone by a wedge heel. 254 00:10:19,584 --> 00:10:21,584 Speaker 2: But she's not meant to be the everywoman, and she 255 00:10:21,624 --> 00:10:24,664 Speaker 2: doesn't pretend to be, like she says crazy stuff she says, 256 00:10:24,744 --> 00:10:27,464 Speaker 2: So I don't have anything against her for that. Plus 257 00:10:27,504 --> 00:10:29,664 Speaker 2: I really loved her in Aventures Endgame, like I liked 258 00:10:29,664 --> 00:10:31,464 Speaker 2: her in all the Marvel movies. But like in that 259 00:10:31,544 --> 00:10:34,064 Speaker 2: really sad moment when Tony Start died, I was like, 260 00:10:34,064 --> 00:10:35,984 Speaker 2: Gwyneth Paltros, give her an oscar for this. 261 00:10:36,224 --> 00:10:38,944 Speaker 3: I just know that the day after she filmed that scene, 262 00:10:38,944 --> 00:10:40,904 Speaker 3: she would have completely forgotten she was in that movie. 263 00:10:41,104 --> 00:10:43,024 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, she has no idea what Marvel movie she's 264 00:10:43,064 --> 00:10:45,344 Speaker 2: been in. But that's again, that's part of her charm. 265 00:10:45,544 --> 00:10:48,504 Speaker 2: She's always unsure of. It's like every time she gets 266 00:10:48,544 --> 00:10:50,664 Speaker 2: introduced to Sebastian Stan, she's like, I'd love to work 267 00:10:50,704 --> 00:10:53,544 Speaker 2: with Sebastian Stan. He's like, we've done movies together, Please 268 00:10:53,584 --> 00:10:54,104 Speaker 2: remember me. 269 00:10:54,864 --> 00:10:57,264 Speaker 3: She is going to be in a new movie though, 270 00:10:57,304 --> 00:11:01,104 Speaker 3: with Timothy Shallaman. She talked about having a lot of sex. 271 00:11:01,424 --> 00:11:03,104 Speaker 2: Oh have you seen the pat photos from that? 272 00:11:03,584 --> 00:11:05,584 Speaker 3: No? I read it in the article, but I actually 273 00:11:05,624 --> 00:11:06,504 Speaker 3: haven't seen that because they. 274 00:11:06,424 --> 00:11:08,344 Speaker 2: Were filming on location in the streets. So like a 275 00:11:08,384 --> 00:11:10,864 Speaker 2: few pat photos came out and there's like pictures of 276 00:11:10,904 --> 00:11:13,104 Speaker 2: them like seemingly like meeting out against a wall and 277 00:11:13,304 --> 00:11:16,384 Speaker 2: her stroking his face and they're looking all hot and heavy. 278 00:11:16,584 --> 00:11:19,984 Speaker 2: Just from those few photos, you know Timothy Chalmy is 279 00:11:20,024 --> 00:11:20,304 Speaker 2: loving that. 280 00:11:20,624 --> 00:11:23,344 Speaker 3: He is abctutely loving that. Kylie Jenner maybe not as much. 281 00:11:23,624 --> 00:11:27,384 Speaker 3: But what I found really interesting in this article was 282 00:11:27,424 --> 00:11:30,664 Speaker 3: kind of similar when we talked about Mikey Madison in Honora, 283 00:11:31,264 --> 00:11:32,904 Speaker 3: when she was talking about the film that she has 284 00:11:32,984 --> 00:11:35,504 Speaker 3: upcoming with Timothy Chalamaye, they got onto the topic of 285 00:11:35,584 --> 00:11:39,424 Speaker 3: intimacy coordinators, and Gwene Paltrow, I would say, was like 286 00:11:39,464 --> 00:11:42,024 Speaker 3: one of the first women who kind of pushed the 287 00:11:42,224 --> 00:11:45,144 Speaker 3: hashtag me too movement, Like she has publicly said that 288 00:11:45,224 --> 00:11:48,344 Speaker 3: she was sectually harassed by Harvey Weinstein and she has 289 00:11:48,344 --> 00:11:50,024 Speaker 3: talked about it in the past thing that she does 290 00:11:50,064 --> 00:11:51,984 Speaker 3: feel like she was one of the front runners for that, 291 00:11:52,504 --> 00:11:55,224 Speaker 3: And yet when they talked about intimacy coordinators, similar to 292 00:11:55,264 --> 00:11:57,824 Speaker 3: Mikey Madison, she was one of the people who said 293 00:11:57,864 --> 00:11:59,024 Speaker 3: that she didn't want one. 294 00:11:59,304 --> 00:12:02,704 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that Harvey Weinstein's story gets a little misconstrued. 295 00:12:02,704 --> 00:12:04,544 Speaker 2: And I don't want to take this away from Gonneth Paltrow, 296 00:12:04,584 --> 00:12:06,384 Speaker 2: but I think because she was one of the big 297 00:12:06,464 --> 00:12:08,864 Speaker 2: names in that she gets really championed with like the 298 00:12:08,904 --> 00:12:11,304 Speaker 2: person who took down Harvey Wine and again, I don't 299 00:12:11,304 --> 00:12:13,184 Speaker 2: want to minimize what she did or what she went through, 300 00:12:13,184 --> 00:12:15,824 Speaker 2: but when you read the full story, like you read 301 00:12:15,824 --> 00:12:17,344 Speaker 2: the book that the journalists wrote, or you read the 302 00:12:17,384 --> 00:12:20,424 Speaker 2: court documents, it wasn't exactly like that. Obviously, like she 303 00:12:20,784 --> 00:12:23,104 Speaker 2: had had a run in with Harvey Weinstein and Brad 304 00:12:23,144 --> 00:12:24,704 Speaker 2: Pitt at the time when it's like, if you ever 305 00:12:24,744 --> 00:12:26,584 Speaker 2: do that again, off fucking kill you. And then she 306 00:12:26,624 --> 00:12:29,424 Speaker 2: was quite left alone. So that's obviously still a terrible 307 00:12:29,464 --> 00:12:32,104 Speaker 2: thing to go through. But when the journalists who broke 308 00:12:32,144 --> 00:12:35,224 Speaker 2: that whole story were initially trying to get Hollywood women 309 00:12:35,264 --> 00:12:38,104 Speaker 2: to speak, none of them would, including Gwyneth Paltrow, But 310 00:12:38,224 --> 00:12:40,504 Speaker 2: once a few people like Ashley Judd's actually the one 311 00:12:40,544 --> 00:12:42,984 Speaker 2: who put her whole career on the line and spoke 312 00:12:42,984 --> 00:12:45,664 Speaker 2: out against him and gave all the information. And it 313 00:12:45,704 --> 00:12:47,504 Speaker 2: wasn't until the case was a bit more built and 314 00:12:47,504 --> 00:12:49,664 Speaker 2: the journalists were going back and forth with Gwyneth Paltrow 315 00:12:49,864 --> 00:12:51,904 Speaker 2: that she said, yes, I'll say this, which is obviously 316 00:12:52,024 --> 00:12:54,064 Speaker 2: like a very helpful thing and would have been hard 317 00:12:54,064 --> 00:12:56,304 Speaker 2: from her. But I think somewhere on the line got 318 00:12:56,304 --> 00:12:59,464 Speaker 2: misconstrued that Gwyneth Paltrow was like leading the charge and 319 00:12:59,544 --> 00:13:02,104 Speaker 2: said there was lots of actresses who people don't even 320 00:13:02,144 --> 00:13:03,824 Speaker 2: know their names because they lost their careers. There were 321 00:13:03,824 --> 00:13:06,224 Speaker 2: people who worked for him. There was Ashley Judd, there 322 00:13:06,264 --> 00:13:08,184 Speaker 2: was the journalist. Like they did all the leg work 323 00:13:08,224 --> 00:13:10,904 Speaker 2: for years and years and years, and then if Paltry 324 00:13:10,944 --> 00:13:12,904 Speaker 2: came in and then was like super helpful because she 325 00:13:13,584 --> 00:13:16,064 Speaker 2: but just not. I think that story gets misconstrued, but 326 00:13:16,104 --> 00:13:16,544 Speaker 2: she very. 327 00:13:16,504 --> 00:13:18,984 Speaker 3: Much believed she did lead the charge. 328 00:13:19,064 --> 00:13:20,664 Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure like that was a big thing for 329 00:13:20,704 --> 00:13:22,864 Speaker 2: her because she had never weighed into that before. It 330 00:13:22,904 --> 00:13:24,864 Speaker 2: was a big thing for her to speak out, but 331 00:13:25,064 --> 00:13:27,944 Speaker 2: it definitely came at the later end of the story. 332 00:13:28,224 --> 00:13:30,744 Speaker 3: Yeah, what I find really interesting about her is that 333 00:13:31,344 --> 00:13:33,904 Speaker 3: you're right, she's not like the everyday women and like 334 00:13:34,104 --> 00:13:38,064 Speaker 3: her brand Goop can atone to that. But she very 335 00:13:38,184 --> 00:13:40,744 Speaker 3: much thinks that like she was brought on this earth 336 00:13:40,824 --> 00:13:42,904 Speaker 3: to like pave the way for other women. 337 00:13:43,184 --> 00:13:44,104 Speaker 2: I mean, that's adorable. 338 00:13:44,224 --> 00:13:47,224 Speaker 3: She literally says that, and I'm like, what way are 339 00:13:47,224 --> 00:13:49,424 Speaker 3: we going? Because I am not in that same tax 340 00:13:49,424 --> 00:13:50,464 Speaker 3: bracket to pay that way. 341 00:13:50,624 --> 00:13:52,304 Speaker 2: No, I don't think she's paid the way for me 342 00:13:52,344 --> 00:13:54,464 Speaker 2: in any sense of the world. If anything, she's put 343 00:13:54,544 --> 00:13:58,224 Speaker 2: roadblocks and speed bombs having to like jump over. So 344 00:13:58,384 --> 00:13:59,944 Speaker 2: thanks for that, Quinnit thanks. 345 00:13:59,744 --> 00:14:01,944 Speaker 3: So much on it. Also, I need to ask you 346 00:14:01,984 --> 00:14:04,904 Speaker 3: about what you thought about the Hatha hate part of 347 00:14:04,944 --> 00:14:05,584 Speaker 3: the article. 348 00:14:05,904 --> 00:14:08,664 Speaker 2: Oh, in terms of like talking about that online swell 349 00:14:08,704 --> 00:14:09,144 Speaker 2: of hatred. 350 00:14:09,384 --> 00:14:11,864 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, did she get hated because I feel 351 00:14:11,904 --> 00:14:13,864 Speaker 3: like I missed that whole bout of her career, Like 352 00:14:13,904 --> 00:14:16,424 Speaker 3: I barely saw her in any movies. 353 00:14:16,584 --> 00:14:19,064 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean this is going back like well over 354 00:14:19,104 --> 00:14:21,224 Speaker 2: twenty years ago, so I guess it was kind of 355 00:14:21,264 --> 00:14:24,744 Speaker 2: different then. But when she first won her Oscar and 356 00:14:24,944 --> 00:14:26,984 Speaker 2: everyone thought she shouldn't have won it. They thought Kate 357 00:14:27,024 --> 00:14:29,184 Speaker 2: Blanchett should have won, and she got up on stage 358 00:14:29,184 --> 00:14:31,984 Speaker 2: and got really emotional, like she was breaking down in tears, 359 00:14:32,344 --> 00:14:34,064 Speaker 2: and then it was all these things of like people 360 00:14:34,144 --> 00:14:36,064 Speaker 2: hating her dress because it was like ill fitted, very 361 00:14:36,104 --> 00:14:38,824 Speaker 2: Anne Hathaway in that sense. Also her talking about her 362 00:14:38,824 --> 00:14:40,824 Speaker 2: diamond necklace and saying her dad was going to buy 363 00:14:40,864 --> 00:14:42,704 Speaker 2: it for her as a present and Run's like so 364 00:14:42,824 --> 00:14:45,184 Speaker 2: in that way, people, it was like the first original 365 00:14:45,224 --> 00:14:47,624 Speaker 2: wave of Nepo baby hate because at that time, people 366 00:14:47,664 --> 00:14:50,824 Speaker 2: loved Nepo babies because they were, you know, so glamorous, 367 00:14:50,904 --> 00:14:53,144 Speaker 2: and there wasn't this idea of privilege back then in 368 00:14:53,224 --> 00:14:54,824 Speaker 2: terms of like movie stars. 369 00:14:55,024 --> 00:14:57,624 Speaker 3: But she loves it. But she also made Nepo baby. 370 00:14:57,384 --> 00:14:59,824 Speaker 2: Well exactly, And so I've heard her say before that 371 00:14:59,864 --> 00:15:01,664 Speaker 2: after she won her Oscar, she just took to her 372 00:15:01,704 --> 00:15:04,584 Speaker 2: bed very often, Like she took to her bed for 373 00:15:04,624 --> 00:15:06,184 Speaker 2: months and months and very. 374 00:15:06,184 --> 00:15:07,344 Speaker 3: Meth in little women. 375 00:15:07,624 --> 00:15:09,664 Speaker 2: Yeah, she took to her bed, which is something you 376 00:15:09,664 --> 00:15:13,544 Speaker 2: can only do you have income coming in, you have 377 00:15:13,664 --> 00:15:16,264 Speaker 2: like different incomes in take to her bed. And she 378 00:15:16,344 --> 00:15:18,824 Speaker 2: was just really mortified by how people were reacting to 379 00:15:18,864 --> 00:15:21,904 Speaker 2: her Oscar's win and really broken down by it. So 380 00:15:22,384 --> 00:15:23,904 Speaker 2: it was I guess hatred, but I think it was 381 00:15:23,944 --> 00:15:26,144 Speaker 2: more industry hatred. I guess because we didn't have social 382 00:15:26,184 --> 00:15:28,864 Speaker 2: media in the same way then that I didn't see 383 00:15:28,864 --> 00:15:31,864 Speaker 2: this huge wave of like people saying we hate Guadeth Paltrow. 384 00:15:32,104 --> 00:15:34,384 Speaker 3: Well, you know how you said that my enemy is 385 00:15:34,424 --> 00:15:35,184 Speaker 3: gwennap Paltrow. 386 00:15:35,544 --> 00:15:38,424 Speaker 2: You said that before we started. Actually it's because of 387 00:15:38,464 --> 00:15:40,424 Speaker 2: Gweth Paltrow. Okay, what's the plot twist? 388 00:15:40,744 --> 00:15:42,224 Speaker 3: But there's another Paltrow. 389 00:15:42,344 --> 00:15:46,784 Speaker 2: Oh oh my god, don't Emily, don't do this Apple 390 00:15:46,864 --> 00:15:48,904 Speaker 2: Markets and don't start a fight you can't finish. 391 00:15:49,064 --> 00:15:52,104 Speaker 3: I can't believe she didn't mention what happened at that 392 00:15:52,304 --> 00:15:56,344 Speaker 3: What was it a Debbie tombull? Yeah, apparently the debut 393 00:15:56,384 --> 00:15:58,344 Speaker 3: Tom Bull to go to all the famous people. 394 00:15:59,184 --> 00:16:00,184 Speaker 2: What's your beef with Apple? 395 00:16:00,384 --> 00:16:04,064 Speaker 3: Okay? So in the interview, Gwenett was talking about how 396 00:16:04,224 --> 00:16:09,384 Speaker 3: apples so nice and smart and lovely and fun and funny, 397 00:16:09,744 --> 00:16:13,264 Speaker 3: and she's just got into a sorority in college, and 398 00:16:13,384 --> 00:16:16,184 Speaker 3: she did mention the debutante ball. She said, she's so 399 00:16:16,424 --> 00:16:22,504 Speaker 3: like I'm up in a huge I'm obviously paraphrasing. She said, 400 00:16:22,824 --> 00:16:25,424 Speaker 3: she's so like low key and doesn't like fame. So 401 00:16:25,464 --> 00:16:27,024 Speaker 3: it was a bit of a surprise that she wanted 402 00:16:27,024 --> 00:16:29,024 Speaker 3: to go to this ball, and she was really interested 403 00:16:29,024 --> 00:16:30,704 Speaker 3: in it, and I was like, there's no way that 404 00:16:30,744 --> 00:16:33,864 Speaker 3: was a surprise. She desperately wanted to go to the ball. 405 00:16:34,144 --> 00:16:35,864 Speaker 3: We did talk about this on the spill. We'll link 406 00:16:35,904 --> 00:16:38,384 Speaker 3: that episode in the show because I am so passionate 407 00:16:38,424 --> 00:16:41,304 Speaker 3: about this. But it was this big ball that Apple 408 00:16:41,384 --> 00:16:44,024 Speaker 3: Martin went to. The whole family was there, Chris was 409 00:16:44,064 --> 00:16:46,224 Speaker 3: a gwen It was there, her mum was there. I 410 00:16:46,224 --> 00:16:46,824 Speaker 3: forgot her name. 411 00:16:46,904 --> 00:16:49,384 Speaker 2: Blithe dinner, Yes, how dare you? That was like a 412 00:16:49,464 --> 00:16:51,104 Speaker 2: very celebrated actress. So sorry. 413 00:16:51,184 --> 00:16:53,984 Speaker 3: They were all there, all the nepos were there, and 414 00:16:54,264 --> 00:16:57,144 Speaker 3: there was this part in the ball where like the 415 00:16:57,224 --> 00:16:59,824 Speaker 3: girls had to come out in front of like a 416 00:16:59,984 --> 00:17:02,464 Speaker 3: row of photographers kind of like a red carpet and 417 00:17:02,504 --> 00:17:04,704 Speaker 3: have their portraits. Yeah, and had their portrait taken, and 418 00:17:04,704 --> 00:17:07,024 Speaker 3: they're posing and they're looking cute and they're looking fun. 419 00:17:07,584 --> 00:17:10,704 Speaker 3: And then it wasn't Apple's turn, and it was a 420 00:17:10,744 --> 00:17:12,944 Speaker 3: girl in front of her turn. So she's walking there 421 00:17:13,344 --> 00:17:15,824 Speaker 3: and she's taking photos and just as she gets to 422 00:17:15,904 --> 00:17:20,264 Speaker 3: the photography line, Apple Martin just comes out of nowhere 423 00:17:20,704 --> 00:17:25,664 Speaker 3: pushes her to the ground and she points her on 424 00:17:25,664 --> 00:17:27,064 Speaker 3: the ground because on the ground, like get out of 425 00:17:27,064 --> 00:17:27,784 Speaker 3: my way to my turn. 426 00:17:27,984 --> 00:17:30,624 Speaker 2: Okay, just in case people don't know, you're joking, she 427 00:17:30,664 --> 00:17:33,584 Speaker 2: didn't actually push her. She kind of comes from behind 428 00:17:33,624 --> 00:17:35,144 Speaker 2: her and she's like she has like a little dance 429 00:17:35,224 --> 00:17:37,624 Speaker 2: and makes a weird face and then does walk in 430 00:17:37,624 --> 00:17:38,264 Speaker 2: front of her. 431 00:17:38,544 --> 00:17:40,904 Speaker 3: She took that girl's moment, I know, but and this thing, 432 00:17:40,984 --> 00:17:43,024 Speaker 3: you never take a girl's moment. Look what your mom 433 00:17:43,064 --> 00:17:44,184 Speaker 3: did for the me too movement? 434 00:17:45,024 --> 00:17:47,544 Speaker 2: Okay, please don't collate those two things that's gonna get 435 00:17:47,544 --> 00:17:49,984 Speaker 2: you canceled. I just think it's such a quick video 436 00:17:50,344 --> 00:17:52,304 Speaker 2: and you can tell she's come from like one group 437 00:17:52,344 --> 00:17:54,624 Speaker 2: of girls are getting their photos taken, then another, and 438 00:17:54,664 --> 00:17:56,224 Speaker 2: so she does a little dance through is if you 439 00:17:56,224 --> 00:17:57,464 Speaker 2: knowed just on that high of. 440 00:17:57,464 --> 00:18:00,424 Speaker 3: Like, no, okay, I've never done that to another woman. 441 00:18:00,624 --> 00:18:02,624 Speaker 2: Okay. I'm sure if she knew it was going to 442 00:18:02,664 --> 00:18:04,464 Speaker 2: blow up in this way, she wouldn't have. Also, that 443 00:18:04,544 --> 00:18:07,344 Speaker 2: girl obviously is a rich, famous girl as well. I 444 00:18:07,344 --> 00:18:10,344 Speaker 2: don't think she's like a downtrodden like Cinderella at that party. 445 00:18:10,384 --> 00:18:11,144 Speaker 2: I'm sure she's fine. 446 00:18:11,344 --> 00:18:12,664 Speaker 3: True, Maybe we should interview her. 447 00:18:13,064 --> 00:18:15,264 Speaker 2: I can find the girl. So what did Apple Martin duty? 448 00:18:16,064 --> 00:18:18,224 Speaker 2: I do almost think and I really don't mean to 449 00:18:18,224 --> 00:18:20,344 Speaker 2: be the Apple Martin apologist of this podcast, but I 450 00:18:20,504 --> 00:18:23,704 Speaker 2: also to think that what Gwyneth's saying around it was 451 00:18:23,704 --> 00:18:25,584 Speaker 2: a bit surprising because she's never wanted to be in 452 00:18:25,584 --> 00:18:27,824 Speaker 2: the spotlight. Is there's a hint of truth to that 453 00:18:27,904 --> 00:18:31,504 Speaker 2: because this girl has grown up with crazy famous parents, 454 00:18:31,544 --> 00:18:33,664 Speaker 2: Like everyone was so aware of her birth when it happened, 455 00:18:33,664 --> 00:18:35,744 Speaker 2: because it was a big thing. Name's freakin' Apple. She's 456 00:18:35,824 --> 00:18:39,984 Speaker 2: very memorable. Like she could have been in so many 457 00:18:39,984 --> 00:18:41,824 Speaker 2: movies by now, she could be the face of brand, 458 00:18:41,864 --> 00:18:44,784 Speaker 2: she could be walking catwalks. She has an Instagram. It's private, 459 00:18:45,224 --> 00:18:46,984 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, she could have been leveraging 460 00:18:47,064 --> 00:18:48,864 Speaker 2: all of that. Like, I'm sure she's living a very 461 00:18:48,944 --> 00:18:51,744 Speaker 2: luxurious life behind the scenes. But we can go years 462 00:18:51,744 --> 00:18:54,224 Speaker 2: without seeing that girl and then she's gone to college. 463 00:18:54,384 --> 00:18:56,224 Speaker 2: So I think when her mum was saying, like, oh, 464 00:18:56,224 --> 00:18:57,744 Speaker 2: she wanted to go to this big thing where she'd 465 00:18:57,744 --> 00:19:00,984 Speaker 2: be photographed. It is interesting because there's other NEPO babies 466 00:19:01,264 --> 00:19:03,304 Speaker 2: that have gone off and you know, have done ten 467 00:19:03,384 --> 00:19:06,384 Speaker 2: movies by her age. Yeah, it's weird that Gwenna's very 468 00:19:06,424 --> 00:19:08,344 Speaker 2: intense about that. Again, when she came to Sydney for 469 00:19:08,344 --> 00:19:10,344 Speaker 2: that Q and A with Jackie O and there Chatdaywayn's 470 00:19:11,344 --> 00:19:12,784 Speaker 2: and then only I did go to that, I didn't 471 00:19:12,824 --> 00:19:14,944 Speaker 2: meet one and I just was in her presence, just. 472 00:19:14,944 --> 00:19:15,864 Speaker 3: You know what, the same. 473 00:19:16,104 --> 00:19:17,784 Speaker 2: I still wrote a two thousand word recap of what 474 00:19:17,824 --> 00:19:20,984 Speaker 2: she's like. I thought it was like when I met Gwenne. Yeah, 475 00:19:21,424 --> 00:19:22,864 Speaker 2: I didn't need to meet her. I got everything I 476 00:19:22,904 --> 00:19:23,944 Speaker 2: needed just from watching her. 477 00:19:24,144 --> 00:19:25,624 Speaker 3: I got everything I needed from this article. 478 00:19:25,744 --> 00:19:27,624 Speaker 2: But it was interesting because the only time during that 479 00:19:27,704 --> 00:19:29,104 Speaker 2: Q and A where she got like a little bit 480 00:19:29,184 --> 00:19:31,824 Speaker 2: like ruffled was when Jackie O was like, so your kids, 481 00:19:31,864 --> 00:19:33,544 Speaker 2: you know, like in a nice way, but she's like, 482 00:19:33,584 --> 00:19:35,904 Speaker 2: you know, your kids, they've got this amazing life and 483 00:19:35,944 --> 00:19:37,984 Speaker 2: they've got favors parents. They can have anything they want. 484 00:19:38,024 --> 00:19:39,224 Speaker 2: And she was trying to say, like, how do you 485 00:19:39,344 --> 00:19:41,184 Speaker 2: keep them grounded? You're gonna way? 486 00:19:41,504 --> 00:19:42,384 Speaker 3: Why are they so mean? 487 00:19:43,784 --> 00:19:46,104 Speaker 2: Would you believe JACKIEO didn't say that to her culcher 488 00:19:46,144 --> 00:19:48,704 Speaker 2: on stage, although that would have been incredible, And before 489 00:19:48,744 --> 00:19:51,944 Speaker 2: she even finished the question, Gwenna start up really ruffled 490 00:19:51,944 --> 00:19:53,864 Speaker 2: and she goes into a microphone. They can't have whatever 491 00:19:53,904 --> 00:19:56,344 Speaker 2: they want. It was the only time she got like, quite, 492 00:19:57,024 --> 00:19:59,184 Speaker 2: they can. Yeah, well, I don't know. I think she's 493 00:19:59,224 --> 00:20:01,224 Speaker 2: trying to really paint her kids as these like you know, 494 00:20:01,304 --> 00:20:04,464 Speaker 2: everyday working class of the people to put. 495 00:20:04,744 --> 00:20:07,824 Speaker 3: Stuff at the ball. That's all I'm saying. The one 496 00:20:07,864 --> 00:20:09,744 Speaker 3: thing that I did want to bring up though, is 497 00:20:09,944 --> 00:20:12,824 Speaker 3: kind of what I thought was really interesting was when 498 00:20:12,824 --> 00:20:15,704 Speaker 3: she was talking about Goop and she used a lot 499 00:20:15,744 --> 00:20:20,224 Speaker 3: of like CEO jargon, like she's very much like in 500 00:20:20,304 --> 00:20:22,744 Speaker 3: that space. I think she's like you can really see 501 00:20:22,744 --> 00:20:26,264 Speaker 3: the transition of her from movie star and doing interviews 502 00:20:26,264 --> 00:20:29,504 Speaker 3: that are about like her stardom versus interviews about her business, 503 00:20:29,544 --> 00:20:31,304 Speaker 3: because it felt like it was a different person in 504 00:20:31,344 --> 00:20:34,864 Speaker 3: that one section of talking about the business. And then 505 00:20:34,864 --> 00:20:38,384 Speaker 3: she had to also talk about the infamous layoffs that 506 00:20:38,424 --> 00:20:41,664 Speaker 3: she had. She laid off around forty people, and I 507 00:20:41,704 --> 00:20:43,384 Speaker 3: want to read out the quote because I just thought 508 00:20:43,384 --> 00:20:47,624 Speaker 3: it was the most CEO ish quote I've ever read. 509 00:20:47,664 --> 00:20:49,864 Speaker 3: When she was asked about laying off people, she said, 510 00:20:50,424 --> 00:20:53,064 Speaker 3: these are my people that I love, and the emotional 511 00:20:53,184 --> 00:20:55,824 Speaker 3: pain that I went through is different than a lot 512 00:20:55,864 --> 00:20:59,024 Speaker 3: of CEOs. A lot of people that I know are like, 513 00:20:59,424 --> 00:21:02,664 Speaker 3: let's just flip the switch. Who gives a shit? But 514 00:21:02,744 --> 00:21:03,424 Speaker 3: that's not me. 515 00:21:03,984 --> 00:21:05,504 Speaker 2: I mean, she didn't care enough to keep them on. 516 00:21:05,904 --> 00:21:08,344 Speaker 2: I know it's a business decision, but like forty people 517 00:21:08,384 --> 00:21:10,144 Speaker 2: from a company that I know it's going to be company, 518 00:21:10,184 --> 00:21:12,904 Speaker 2: but it's still quite a lot. And also just like 519 00:21:13,064 --> 00:21:15,144 Speaker 2: the group offices and the staff, like they've had their 520 00:21:15,144 --> 00:21:18,024 Speaker 2: own infamy around them that they all wear like soft 521 00:21:18,064 --> 00:21:20,304 Speaker 2: beige and they all like float through the office and 522 00:21:20,344 --> 00:21:22,144 Speaker 2: they're all, you know, they're all this kind of very 523 00:21:22,184 --> 00:21:25,064 Speaker 2: similar looking type of woman from the same background. 524 00:21:25,184 --> 00:21:27,664 Speaker 3: So, but she's still like very much like out of 525 00:21:27,744 --> 00:21:30,584 Speaker 3: touch kind of person like, especially when they were talking 526 00:21:30,624 --> 00:21:34,264 Speaker 3: about the famous vagina candle in twenty twenty, like it 527 00:21:34,344 --> 00:21:37,744 Speaker 3: actually like pissed her off on like how viral that 528 00:21:37,824 --> 00:21:40,304 Speaker 3: candle went. And she said that it was such a 529 00:21:40,344 --> 00:21:42,304 Speaker 3: fluke that everyone was buying it. And I'm like, why 530 00:21:42,344 --> 00:21:45,024 Speaker 3: are you upset that's a fifteen thousand dollar candle. Yeah, 531 00:21:45,104 --> 00:21:47,224 Speaker 3: that everyone's buying it. And she was upset because they 532 00:21:47,264 --> 00:21:49,184 Speaker 3: bought the candle, but they didn't come back from like 533 00:21:49,264 --> 00:21:51,944 Speaker 3: the little serums and the cashmere sweaters. 534 00:21:52,064 --> 00:21:52,784 Speaker 2: Yeah, no one wants that. 535 00:21:53,064 --> 00:21:56,024 Speaker 3: No one wants that. The entire interview is like, well, 536 00:21:56,064 --> 00:21:58,464 Speaker 3: I like the storytelling element of it, like you get 537 00:21:58,504 --> 00:22:00,744 Speaker 3: to see what a house kind of looks like. It's 538 00:22:00,824 --> 00:22:02,664 Speaker 3: also in Architectural Digest. 539 00:22:02,384 --> 00:22:04,744 Speaker 2: And have you worked that video? You need to know 540 00:22:05,144 --> 00:22:07,544 Speaker 2: did we recap that? No, we're not doing that, by 541 00:22:07,584 --> 00:22:08,824 Speaker 2: the way, miss opportunity. 542 00:22:08,864 --> 00:22:11,184 Speaker 3: Anyway, we'll link the whole article in the show notes. 543 00:22:11,544 --> 00:22:13,584 Speaker 3: Let us know what you think of Na patro An 544 00:22:13,584 --> 00:22:14,704 Speaker 3: apple Ale. 545 00:22:15,864 --> 00:22:17,904 Speaker 2: So a lot of us today woke up to a 546 00:22:17,904 --> 00:22:22,304 Speaker 2: lot of headlines around Kanye West hosting some very derogatory 547 00:22:22,304 --> 00:22:24,784 Speaker 2: and upsetting statements, which has come a little bit part 548 00:22:24,784 --> 00:22:27,704 Speaker 2: of the course recently with this next public kind of 549 00:22:27,744 --> 00:22:30,624 Speaker 2: bend he's been on. But these particular tweets included some 550 00:22:30,704 --> 00:22:33,664 Speaker 2: famous names, so they're making even more headlines than normal. 551 00:22:34,064 --> 00:22:35,944 Speaker 2: Just to backtrack a little of what led to this, 552 00:22:36,304 --> 00:22:39,344 Speaker 2: So Kanye West, and again, I know he's legally changed 553 00:22:39,344 --> 00:22:42,104 Speaker 2: his name to Ye, but just for the purpose of this, 554 00:22:42,144 --> 00:22:44,344 Speaker 2: I'm still going to refer to him as Kanye, mostly 555 00:22:44,384 --> 00:22:45,264 Speaker 2: because he would hate that. 556 00:22:45,544 --> 00:22:45,824 Speaker 3: Yeah. 557 00:22:46,304 --> 00:22:48,904 Speaker 2: So, Kanye West dropped his latest collection of songs as 558 00:22:48,904 --> 00:22:52,544 Speaker 2: a short film. There's three versions of this new visual 559 00:22:52,544 --> 00:22:55,344 Speaker 2: album called Bully, which have come out, and this is 560 00:22:55,344 --> 00:22:57,384 Speaker 2: something he's been talking about working on for a while. 561 00:22:57,464 --> 00:23:00,584 Speaker 2: It's actually the first proper full length album he's released 562 00:23:00,584 --> 00:23:03,504 Speaker 2: since Dondo, which came out in twenty twenty one. In 563 00:23:03,544 --> 00:23:06,224 Speaker 2: the short film, there's a section that stars Saint West, 564 00:23:06,264 --> 00:23:10,024 Speaker 2: so that's Kanye's second child with Kim Kardashian, and in it, 565 00:23:10,064 --> 00:23:12,664 Speaker 2: he's wielding a mallet in a wrestling ring and he's 566 00:23:12,704 --> 00:23:17,784 Speaker 2: sending off these attackers and yeah, yeah, around that age 567 00:23:17,944 --> 00:23:19,984 Speaker 2: and the whole thing goes for about forty five minutes. 568 00:23:20,024 --> 00:23:22,824 Speaker 2: The visual album, and it's meant to be based on 569 00:23:22,824 --> 00:23:25,304 Speaker 2: like a real life scenario when he was dealing with bullies. 570 00:23:25,344 --> 00:23:27,144 Speaker 2: And then the album's called Bully, so it's a whole unit. 571 00:23:27,344 --> 00:23:28,504 Speaker 2: The storytelling layer is. 572 00:23:28,424 --> 00:23:31,344 Speaker 3: There when Kanye was dealing with bullies or Saint. 573 00:23:31,344 --> 00:23:34,344 Speaker 2: Oh Saint, so that's why he's involved in it. So 574 00:23:34,464 --> 00:23:37,624 Speaker 2: the album is not yet available on any music streaming platforms, 575 00:23:37,624 --> 00:23:40,424 Speaker 2: like any of the major ones, And on Twitter, Kanye 576 00:23:40,544 --> 00:23:42,984 Speaker 2: said that that was quite an intentional move and said 577 00:23:43,024 --> 00:23:46,024 Speaker 2: I stopped using them because streams are fake and French 578 00:23:46,024 --> 00:23:49,824 Speaker 2: and Jewish record labels treat artists like prostitute, saying that 579 00:23:49,864 --> 00:23:52,224 Speaker 2: he was going to go another way with releasing his music. 580 00:23:52,584 --> 00:23:55,064 Speaker 3: This whole thing, I feel like we've been talking about, 581 00:23:55,184 --> 00:23:56,864 Speaker 3: like exactly what you said last time we talked about 582 00:23:56,904 --> 00:23:59,024 Speaker 3: Kanye West, Like it's always in like bouts and then 583 00:23:59,064 --> 00:24:01,184 Speaker 3: he disappears for a while and then he comes up. 584 00:24:01,544 --> 00:24:03,864 Speaker 3: But this kind of feels like this time with the 585 00:24:03,904 --> 00:24:06,984 Speaker 3: whole like music release in him deleting tweets and then 586 00:24:07,064 --> 00:24:10,224 Speaker 3: reposting them and not backing down, and then also with 587 00:24:10,504 --> 00:24:12,664 Speaker 3: I feel like the Elon Musk in the room, how 588 00:24:12,784 --> 00:24:16,144 Speaker 3: like it's kind of similar personalities where now that Elon 589 00:24:16,264 --> 00:24:19,184 Speaker 3: Musk owns Twitter or x, that like a lot of 590 00:24:19,184 --> 00:24:21,144 Speaker 3: the stuff he can get away with saying and it 591 00:24:21,224 --> 00:24:23,584 Speaker 3: stays up on those platforms and it's very harmful, and 592 00:24:23,624 --> 00:24:26,104 Speaker 3: it feels like he's got this other about of just 593 00:24:26,184 --> 00:24:29,144 Speaker 3: extreme power and all of these other personalities that are 594 00:24:29,184 --> 00:24:31,944 Speaker 3: absolutely just pushing him to like stay in that position 595 00:24:32,464 --> 00:24:34,344 Speaker 3: that I have a feeling that we're just not going 596 00:24:34,424 --> 00:24:37,104 Speaker 3: to see it drop down anytime soon at all. 597 00:24:37,344 --> 00:24:39,864 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, And it does seem like he can 598 00:24:39,944 --> 00:24:42,744 Speaker 2: kind of like have these big blowouts and like obviously 599 00:24:42,744 --> 00:24:44,744 Speaker 2: like he's lost a lot of his partnership deals and 600 00:24:44,784 --> 00:24:47,624 Speaker 2: things like that. But there's definitely a world where he 601 00:24:47,704 --> 00:24:50,584 Speaker 2: has if he has access to his audience on like 602 00:24:50,624 --> 00:24:53,104 Speaker 2: a separate platform that he runs, that he can just 603 00:24:53,144 --> 00:24:55,304 Speaker 2: sell them his music directly to them and people will 604 00:24:55,304 --> 00:24:57,504 Speaker 2: still buy and listen to it, Yeah, just because of 605 00:24:57,504 --> 00:24:59,784 Speaker 2: that huge following he still has. So even though like 606 00:25:00,144 --> 00:25:02,624 Speaker 2: some parts of what he says my deter people, like, 607 00:25:02,664 --> 00:25:05,224 Speaker 2: that level of fame is still there. But what's interesting 608 00:25:05,264 --> 00:25:07,784 Speaker 2: about this is that putting out that statement, I think 609 00:25:07,824 --> 00:25:09,304 Speaker 2: like that would have made headlines, but a lot of 610 00:25:09,304 --> 00:25:11,144 Speaker 2: people wouldn't have interact with it. It's got to have 611 00:25:11,184 --> 00:25:13,704 Speaker 2: stage with Kanye now, where there's so many of these 612 00:25:13,704 --> 00:25:15,664 Speaker 2: headlines and so many of these different stories and so 613 00:25:15,704 --> 00:25:18,424 Speaker 2: many of these outbursts, it becomes, I think, just like 614 00:25:18,464 --> 00:25:20,624 Speaker 2: a little bit of background noise for a lot of people. 615 00:25:20,824 --> 00:25:22,784 Speaker 2: It's like when a lot of the allegations were coming 616 00:25:22,784 --> 00:25:25,104 Speaker 2: out against like men in Hollywood and the Harvey Weinstein thing, 617 00:25:25,224 --> 00:25:27,504 Speaker 2: like the first couple of days that was so intense, 618 00:25:27,544 --> 00:25:29,824 Speaker 2: but after a while it just became noise to people 619 00:25:29,824 --> 00:25:31,784 Speaker 2: because they couldn't take it in. And even now, like 620 00:25:31,864 --> 00:25:35,664 Speaker 2: on a different scale, but with Justin Baldoni and Blake Lively, 621 00:25:35,824 --> 00:25:38,944 Speaker 2: like there's so many new allegations, like intense stories still 622 00:25:38,984 --> 00:25:40,704 Speaker 2: coming out about that, but I feel like a lot 623 00:25:40,704 --> 00:25:43,344 Speaker 2: of people just turn away because it's like information overload 624 00:25:43,424 --> 00:25:44,544 Speaker 2: with it, yeah, and they want. 625 00:25:44,424 --> 00:25:46,744 Speaker 3: To enjoy what they enjoy, right, And I feel like 626 00:25:46,824 --> 00:25:48,944 Speaker 3: in these cases there's always that argument of can you 627 00:25:48,984 --> 00:25:51,704 Speaker 3: separate the art from the artists? And I feel like 628 00:25:51,784 --> 00:25:55,104 Speaker 3: that argument can't be applied to this situation because the 629 00:25:55,224 --> 00:25:58,744 Speaker 3: lyrics and these songs that his released are absolutely horrific. 630 00:25:59,224 --> 00:26:01,384 Speaker 3: Like if you just saw those lyrics like siloed as 631 00:26:01,384 --> 00:26:03,864 Speaker 3: tweets like there's no way that would ever get published. 632 00:26:04,104 --> 00:26:06,544 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, So there is one set of tweets that 633 00:26:06,624 --> 00:26:09,144 Speaker 2: have been deleted, but of course the screenshots are everywhere. 634 00:26:09,184 --> 00:26:11,104 Speaker 2: And this is what's making a lot of headlines today 635 00:26:11,384 --> 00:26:15,224 Speaker 2: because it's about jay Z and Beyonce's children. So their 636 00:26:15,264 --> 00:26:18,184 Speaker 2: oldest daughter, Blue Ivy, is obviously very visible because she's 637 00:26:18,184 --> 00:26:21,104 Speaker 2: been performing with her mom at the concent. 638 00:26:20,824 --> 00:26:26,344 Speaker 3: Tours and great performer. Yes you're oh baby, EPO Baby, 639 00:26:26,384 --> 00:26:28,264 Speaker 3: I stand by my whole heart. 640 00:26:28,264 --> 00:26:29,864 Speaker 2: And she was at the Grammys with her mom and 641 00:26:29,864 --> 00:26:32,784 Speaker 2: she walks red carpet, she's in the Lion King. There's Yeah, 642 00:26:32,784 --> 00:26:35,224 Speaker 2: she's very very visible in Nepo Baby. But jay Z 643 00:26:35,344 --> 00:26:38,064 Speaker 2: and Beyonce also have twins called Rumy and Sir, which 644 00:26:38,064 --> 00:26:41,144 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, just great names. So celebrity kids and jay 645 00:26:41,224 --> 00:26:44,064 Speaker 2: Z and Kane have obviously had a very intense and 646 00:26:44,144 --> 00:26:47,424 Speaker 2: high profile working relationship and friendship for many, many years. 647 00:26:47,824 --> 00:26:50,224 Speaker 2: A lot of that, people think, started to fall apart 648 00:26:50,264 --> 00:26:53,624 Speaker 2: when jay Z and Beyonce didn't go to Kanye's wedding 649 00:26:53,624 --> 00:26:57,184 Speaker 2: to Kim Kardashian back in twenty fourteen. Remember after the wedding, 650 00:26:57,184 --> 00:26:59,864 Speaker 2: there were just headlines everywhere that they had skipped it 651 00:26:59,904 --> 00:27:02,024 Speaker 2: to kind of make a point. And then these paparazzi 652 00:27:02,064 --> 00:27:04,344 Speaker 2: photos came out of them in the little boat together, 653 00:27:04,784 --> 00:27:07,784 Speaker 2: you know, having a little romantic vacation the same weekend 654 00:27:07,904 --> 00:27:10,304 Speaker 2: that their wedding was happening. And I don't know the backstory, 655 00:27:10,424 --> 00:27:12,264 Speaker 2: and you know, could be anything. Maybe just didn't want 656 00:27:12,264 --> 00:27:15,264 Speaker 2: to go. And then Beyonce wished Kim and Kanye love 657 00:27:15,384 --> 00:27:16,944 Speaker 2: and was like, you know, we're so happy for them. 658 00:27:17,264 --> 00:27:19,744 Speaker 2: But Kanye has since blown up about that and said 659 00:27:19,744 --> 00:27:21,864 Speaker 2: that he missed the wedding to make a point. So 660 00:27:22,104 --> 00:27:25,264 Speaker 2: off the back of his rant today he made some 661 00:27:25,424 --> 00:27:28,664 Speaker 2: really awful comments about jay Z and Beyonce's children, and 662 00:27:28,904 --> 00:27:31,224 Speaker 2: this has been deleted, but it's obviously everywhere now. There's 663 00:27:31,264 --> 00:27:33,224 Speaker 2: some pretty upsetting language in here. I'll just read it 664 00:27:33,264 --> 00:27:36,744 Speaker 2: out though, so people know what was said. So Kanye tweeted, wait, 665 00:27:36,864 --> 00:27:40,304 Speaker 2: has anyone seen jay Z and Beyonce's younger kids. They're retarded, 666 00:27:40,824 --> 00:27:44,024 Speaker 2: not like literally, and this is why artificial insemination is 667 00:27:44,064 --> 00:27:47,304 Speaker 2: such a blessing. Having retarded children is a choice. If 668 00:27:47,344 --> 00:27:49,744 Speaker 2: Twitter take my shit down, then so be it. But 669 00:27:49,784 --> 00:27:51,864 Speaker 2: I need to all to know jay Z or nobody 670 00:27:51,944 --> 00:27:54,824 Speaker 2: have no power over me. And for a lot of people, 671 00:27:54,944 --> 00:27:57,304 Speaker 2: this is I mean, he said so many awful things 672 00:27:57,344 --> 00:27:59,824 Speaker 2: before and like the swatsticker t shirts and even like 673 00:27:59,824 --> 00:28:02,184 Speaker 2: this week he posted a casting call and he was like, 674 00:28:02,544 --> 00:28:04,584 Speaker 2: no people of this, No fat people know that, Like 675 00:28:04,624 --> 00:28:07,064 Speaker 2: his language is always awful. But for a lot of people, 676 00:28:07,544 --> 00:28:09,784 Speaker 2: using the R word that context and like talking about 677 00:28:09,864 --> 00:28:12,024 Speaker 2: children has been the last straw for them. 678 00:28:12,504 --> 00:28:15,424 Speaker 3: That's so disgusting. But these are tweets that he then 679 00:28:15,544 --> 00:28:18,344 Speaker 3: deleted because he wanted to stay good friends with them. 680 00:28:18,464 --> 00:28:20,504 Speaker 2: Well, he didn't want his account taken down, he said, 681 00:28:21,024 --> 00:28:22,904 Speaker 2: And I was like, well, Elon mascoonzex So I think 682 00:28:22,904 --> 00:28:23,584 Speaker 2: you're actually fine. 683 00:28:23,584 --> 00:28:24,504 Speaker 3: I think he'll be fine. 684 00:28:24,544 --> 00:28:26,184 Speaker 2: He'd probably retweet you with this stage. 685 00:28:26,344 --> 00:28:28,784 Speaker 3: It's like one of those situations because we all know 686 00:28:29,024 --> 00:28:32,624 Speaker 3: that they used to be such good friends. Like Kanye 687 00:28:32,624 --> 00:28:35,144 Speaker 3: West and jay Z were together at the Grammys when 688 00:28:35,184 --> 00:28:38,064 Speaker 3: Beyonce announced her first pregnancy with Blue Ivy, and like 689 00:28:38,104 --> 00:28:40,864 Speaker 3: you could see like Kanye congratulating jay Z and being 690 00:28:40,904 --> 00:28:43,384 Speaker 3: so so happy. Also he was the one who like 691 00:28:43,464 --> 00:28:45,144 Speaker 3: ran up on stage and tried to get the water 692 00:28:45,184 --> 00:28:46,744 Speaker 3: of tailor shift for Beyonce. 693 00:28:47,184 --> 00:28:49,624 Speaker 2: Yeah, and when she's lost grummies in the past, he's 694 00:28:49,664 --> 00:28:51,984 Speaker 2: gone on full trades on social and stuff. At how 695 00:28:51,984 --> 00:28:53,144 Speaker 2: she would have won, which is all these hell a 696 00:28:53,144 --> 00:28:54,704 Speaker 2: lot of people thought, but they Yeah, they were a 697 00:28:54,784 --> 00:28:56,664 Speaker 2: very close, slit knit unit for a long time. 698 00:28:56,784 --> 00:28:59,304 Speaker 3: But it's like interesting because I feel like if I'm 699 00:28:59,384 --> 00:29:02,704 Speaker 3: just like in his position, he's gone above and beyond 700 00:29:02,744 --> 00:29:06,064 Speaker 3: for this friendship, like very publicly, like put his own 701 00:29:06,144 --> 00:29:08,464 Speaker 3: fame on the line for it, and they've never done 702 00:29:08,504 --> 00:29:11,064 Speaker 3: that in return for him. In fact, they don't even 703 00:29:11,104 --> 00:29:12,104 Speaker 3: go to his wedding. 704 00:29:12,224 --> 00:29:14,144 Speaker 2: No I know. But they have supported him in terms 705 00:29:14,184 --> 00:29:17,344 Speaker 2: of like supported his work in a normal celebrity capacity. Yeah, 706 00:29:17,384 --> 00:29:19,904 Speaker 2: like work together, collaborated together, shared his projects. 707 00:29:20,904 --> 00:29:23,144 Speaker 3: You never run on stage for me, I'm always the 708 00:29:23,144 --> 00:29:24,064 Speaker 3: one running on stage. 709 00:29:24,104 --> 00:29:24,304 Speaker 1: True. 710 00:29:24,304 --> 00:29:26,024 Speaker 2: I would love to see Beyonce run on stage and 711 00:29:26,024 --> 00:29:28,744 Speaker 2: grab someone's award. So again, I think this is gonna 712 00:29:28,784 --> 00:29:31,824 Speaker 2: like maybe turn a few more people off who maybe 713 00:29:32,144 --> 00:29:34,944 Speaker 2: before this had turned a blank eye to Kanye West 714 00:29:35,144 --> 00:29:37,504 Speaker 2: and his behavior. But I do think at this point 715 00:29:37,504 --> 00:29:40,264 Speaker 2: in time, because he's decided that he doesn't want any 716 00:29:40,384 --> 00:29:42,824 Speaker 2: kind of in with like that celebrity world or like 717 00:29:42,904 --> 00:29:45,464 Speaker 2: other famous names, even someone like who Jay Z and 718 00:29:45,504 --> 00:29:48,464 Speaker 2: Beyonce who kind of feel like untouchable in every sense 719 00:29:48,464 --> 00:29:50,504 Speaker 2: of the world. Like that was that moment after those 720 00:29:50,544 --> 00:29:54,184 Speaker 2: allegations were made against jay Z in correlation with the 721 00:29:54,224 --> 00:29:58,024 Speaker 2: Sean Combs lawsuit, and those have been dropped now, and 722 00:29:58,064 --> 00:30:01,264 Speaker 2: also jay Z is now suing everyone involved in that 723 00:30:01,904 --> 00:30:04,544 Speaker 2: for basically what his words are is like putting that 724 00:30:04,584 --> 00:30:06,824 Speaker 2: information out into the world where his children could see it. 725 00:30:06,864 --> 00:30:08,904 Speaker 2: And now Kanye has taken a lot of that a 726 00:30:08,904 --> 00:30:11,104 Speaker 2: step further by putting this out the world but also 727 00:30:11,144 --> 00:30:14,544 Speaker 2: targeting those same children that are involved in this lawsuit now. 728 00:30:14,584 --> 00:30:17,144 Speaker 2: So it's a very messy situation, but I think the 729 00:30:17,184 --> 00:30:20,424 Speaker 2: more he angers Hollywood, the more he builds this outside 730 00:30:20,424 --> 00:30:22,384 Speaker 2: fan base that still want to buy his music. So 731 00:30:22,464 --> 00:30:24,584 Speaker 2: in a way, it's a crazy plan, but it's one 732 00:30:24,584 --> 00:30:27,344 Speaker 2: that he seems very intent on following. Well, thank you 733 00:30:27,384 --> 00:30:29,784 Speaker 2: so much for listening to the Spill today. I want 734 00:30:29,824 --> 00:30:31,304 Speaker 2: you all to know I'm only saying this because it's 735 00:30:31,304 --> 00:30:33,144 Speaker 2: written in the script and it's just part of my 736 00:30:33,184 --> 00:30:34,464 Speaker 2: employment to say say this. 737 00:30:34,624 --> 00:30:35,864 Speaker 3: Come on, say it if you. 738 00:30:35,824 --> 00:30:38,864 Speaker 2: Want more from us. Emily did an impression of Stitch 739 00:30:39,504 --> 00:30:43,744 Speaker 2: that's on the Spill Instagram account, which is a high 740 00:30:43,744 --> 00:30:45,864 Speaker 2: point for your career and a low point for my career. 741 00:30:46,384 --> 00:30:48,064 Speaker 2: But will let the people be the judge of that. 742 00:30:48,104 --> 00:30:50,184 Speaker 3: Should I be outro in my stitch voice? 743 00:30:50,304 --> 00:30:52,984 Speaker 2: Oh, I mean just pull for a moment. So to 744 00:30:53,024 --> 00:30:55,824 Speaker 2: everyone who's commenting that it's the funniest thing I've ever seen, 745 00:30:55,904 --> 00:30:58,144 Speaker 2: I've clocked your names and I'll remember this. So if 746 00:30:58,144 --> 00:31:00,824 Speaker 2: you want to see that and just more from our podcast, 747 00:31:00,944 --> 00:31:03,544 Speaker 2: follow the Spill podcast on Instagram. Okay, do we need 748 00:31:03,584 --> 00:31:06,104 Speaker 2: to do the spells? Produce British? 749 00:31:06,104 --> 00:31:08,544 Speaker 3: Would some production bry scotstron it. We'll be back in 750 00:31:08,584 --> 00:31:11,224 Speaker 3: your podcast for it at the premum tomorrow By Bye 751 00:31:15,264 --> 00:31:16,824 Speaker 3: Len