1 00:00:11,064 --> 00:00:11,384 Speaker 1: So much. 2 00:00:11,424 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 2: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 3 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 1: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 4 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:21,064 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on Just. 5 00:00:20,984 --> 00:00:24,424 Speaker 3: A quick heads up, this episode of The Spill mentions 6 00:00:24,544 --> 00:00:28,344 Speaker 3: suicide and self harm and some bullying, so please take 7 00:00:28,384 --> 00:00:30,544 Speaker 3: care when listening and if you or someone you know 8 00:00:30,664 --> 00:00:34,504 Speaker 3: needs to speak to someone, Lifeline's number is thirteen eleven fourteen. 9 00:00:40,184 --> 00:00:40,984 Speaker 2: From Mamma Mia. 10 00:00:41,224 --> 00:00:44,024 Speaker 1: Welcome to The Spill, your daily pop culture fixed. 11 00:00:44,224 --> 00:00:45,624 Speaker 2: I'm Laura Brodneck. 12 00:00:45,304 --> 00:00:47,344 Speaker 3: And I'm Taylor Strano. Thanks for having me. 13 00:00:47,264 --> 00:00:49,904 Speaker 1: Back, love having here, fling in from the Quickie. Bit 14 00:00:49,904 --> 00:00:51,504 Speaker 1: of a dual news day for you. 15 00:00:51,744 --> 00:00:53,344 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's always a big day on the Quickie, but 16 00:00:53,384 --> 00:00:55,304 Speaker 3: it's always an extra special day when I get to 17 00:00:55,304 --> 00:00:57,064 Speaker 3: come and hang out with you Spill. 18 00:00:57,104 --> 00:00:58,624 Speaker 2: We love that and that's all we have time. But 19 00:00:58,664 --> 00:01:00,584 Speaker 2: I'm drinking. I just ended it there. 20 00:01:00,984 --> 00:01:03,144 Speaker 1: Coming up on the show today, we are talking about 21 00:01:03,184 --> 00:01:06,304 Speaker 1: a huge news story that was I think across everyone's 22 00:01:06,344 --> 00:01:09,424 Speaker 1: different social media feeds over the weekend. A very well 23 00:01:09,424 --> 00:01:12,304 Speaker 1: known influencer hiring a private investigator to take on her 24 00:01:12,504 --> 00:01:15,544 Speaker 1: trolls and the mastermind, I guess you could call it 25 00:01:15,584 --> 00:01:18,504 Speaker 1: behind a huge gossip site that is also very prevalent 26 00:01:18,544 --> 00:01:21,584 Speaker 1: in Australia being unmasked. There was so much happening here. 27 00:01:21,944 --> 00:01:24,384 Speaker 1: There's such a huge backstory we're going to take you through. 28 00:01:24,864 --> 00:01:27,984 Speaker 3: But first, but first, let's start. 29 00:01:27,744 --> 00:01:28,784 Speaker 2: With some happy news. 30 00:01:28,824 --> 00:01:31,264 Speaker 1: Laura, Yeah, this is great. I freaking love the Logis. 31 00:01:31,264 --> 00:01:32,464 Speaker 1: I'm not even embarrassed about it. 32 00:01:32,624 --> 00:01:33,504 Speaker 2: No, why would you be. 33 00:01:33,624 --> 00:01:37,184 Speaker 3: The Logi nominations have just been announced. They came out 34 00:01:37,184 --> 00:01:41,144 Speaker 3: this morning. It is Australia TV and Film Industries Night 35 00:01:41,184 --> 00:01:43,264 Speaker 3: of Nights. That's where we get to celebrate and reflect 36 00:01:43,304 --> 00:01:45,944 Speaker 3: upon all the great television that's been made down Under 37 00:01:46,064 --> 00:01:50,304 Speaker 3: for the last twelve months or so. And the headline women. 38 00:01:50,984 --> 00:01:56,384 Speaker 3: They have dominated the nominations list, particularly the Golden Logi, 39 00:01:56,424 --> 00:01:58,584 Speaker 3: so the top gong. As we know, Larry Emda won 40 00:01:58,664 --> 00:02:02,224 Speaker 3: it last year, but this year the category is stacked 41 00:02:02,224 --> 00:02:05,464 Speaker 3: with a list of female nominees. Six women, Ali Langdon, 42 00:02:05,544 --> 00:02:10,064 Speaker 3: Julia Morris, Lisa Miller, Sonya Krueger, Poling Yao and Lynn McGranger. 43 00:02:10,544 --> 00:02:13,344 Speaker 3: And one man, of course, Hamish Blake found his way 44 00:02:13,544 --> 00:02:15,384 Speaker 3: to the man in there. He's got to be in there, 45 00:02:15,424 --> 00:02:18,544 Speaker 3: and we're happy because he's great as well. But really 46 00:02:18,624 --> 00:02:20,744 Speaker 3: nice to see so many women in the list this year. 47 00:02:21,064 --> 00:02:23,864 Speaker 1: Yeah, especially because with the Gold Logi only three women 48 00:02:23,904 --> 00:02:26,144 Speaker 1: have won it in the past fifteen years. They've won 49 00:02:26,224 --> 00:02:28,184 Speaker 1: it a few times in the owner row some of them, 50 00:02:28,264 --> 00:02:30,264 Speaker 1: so you know that's a little caveaut there. But the 51 00:02:30,384 --> 00:02:32,584 Speaker 1: last fifteen years the only women to have won the 52 00:02:32,584 --> 00:02:36,544 Speaker 1: Gold Logie are Sonya Krueger, Carrie Bigmore and Ashaketty. So 53 00:02:36,584 --> 00:02:39,144 Speaker 1: it does feel like this year we might see someone 54 00:02:39,184 --> 00:02:41,504 Speaker 1: sneaking it's on. I was watching all the coverage from 55 00:02:41,544 --> 00:02:44,144 Speaker 1: the announcement event today and news dot Com was talking 56 00:02:44,144 --> 00:02:46,504 Speaker 1: to Hamish Blake afterwards being like, how does it feel 57 00:02:46,544 --> 00:02:49,224 Speaker 1: to be the only guy nominated the Gold Logi? And 58 00:02:49,264 --> 00:02:51,464 Speaker 1: he was basically like, does feel like a little bit 59 00:02:51,464 --> 00:02:53,744 Speaker 1: of a stitch because he's like, how terrible would it 60 00:02:53,784 --> 00:02:54,584 Speaker 1: be if I won? 61 00:02:54,744 --> 00:02:56,424 Speaker 2: Oh, he can't win, No, he can't win. 62 00:02:56,504 --> 00:02:58,704 Speaker 1: But also he's got such a massive fan base and 63 00:02:58,744 --> 00:03:01,664 Speaker 1: now that he said that, like Australian notoriously like loves 64 00:03:01,664 --> 00:03:02,224 Speaker 1: a good joke. 65 00:03:02,904 --> 00:03:05,904 Speaker 3: And of course the Gold Logi is voted by the publish. 66 00:03:05,584 --> 00:03:06,304 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 67 00:03:06,344 --> 00:03:08,464 Speaker 1: So you have some like the Graham Kennedy Award and 68 00:03:08,464 --> 00:03:10,584 Speaker 1: some of the talent awards that are industry vote, but 69 00:03:10,624 --> 00:03:12,144 Speaker 1: it's mostly voted. 70 00:03:11,784 --> 00:03:12,544 Speaker 2: By the people. 71 00:03:12,984 --> 00:03:14,384 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've got a favorite who you'd 72 00:03:14,424 --> 00:03:17,184 Speaker 1: love to win from that list, but I'm like Lynn McGranger. 73 00:03:16,904 --> 00:03:18,504 Speaker 3: Okay, I was gonna say it's got to be Lynn, right, 74 00:03:18,944 --> 00:03:21,064 Speaker 3: thirty three years on Home and Away, I looked her up. 75 00:03:22,304 --> 00:03:25,224 Speaker 3: I feel like Lynn deserves her flowers. Although I also 76 00:03:25,304 --> 00:03:28,064 Speaker 3: just love Poe. I don't know if you listened or 77 00:03:28,104 --> 00:03:30,304 Speaker 3: not recently, Laura, but she was on No Fill to 78 00:03:30,304 --> 00:03:32,784 Speaker 3: one of the other Mum of Mere podcasts with Kate Langbrook, 79 00:03:32,824 --> 00:03:35,584 Speaker 3: and she's just had this incredible life and it's just 80 00:03:35,624 --> 00:03:39,304 Speaker 3: such a like warm, lovely human being and she just 81 00:03:39,344 --> 00:03:40,904 Speaker 3: deserves all of the logis. 82 00:03:41,064 --> 00:03:43,344 Speaker 1: Yes, and she's been like such a constant source in 83 00:03:43,344 --> 00:03:45,624 Speaker 1: the Australian entertainment industry for so many years, which I 84 00:03:45,624 --> 00:03:48,184 Speaker 1: think this logi is supposed to be meant to be 85 00:03:48,264 --> 00:03:50,504 Speaker 1: like for all the years we've been on TV, not 86 00:03:50,584 --> 00:03:52,184 Speaker 1: just for like something you might have done this year, 87 00:03:52,184 --> 00:03:54,504 Speaker 1: as is some of the other logis are. So I 88 00:03:54,544 --> 00:03:56,944 Speaker 1: feel like Lynn or Poe would definitely be the kind 89 00:03:56,944 --> 00:04:00,624 Speaker 1: of standouts and someone very unexpected because they haven't been 90 00:04:00,664 --> 00:04:03,424 Speaker 1: in the race before with Lynn. I've got to say 91 00:04:03,504 --> 00:04:06,344 Speaker 1: I interview a lot of celebrities, like megastars, and there's 92 00:04:06,344 --> 00:04:09,104 Speaker 1: only a handful of people I've been really star struck by. 93 00:04:09,544 --> 00:04:12,064 Speaker 1: Lynn McGranger was in the Mummere office one she came 94 00:04:12,104 --> 00:04:13,584 Speaker 1: into that show Quizish. 95 00:04:13,144 --> 00:04:16,064 Speaker 2: That we used to have. Irene did it for you? Yeah, yeah, 96 00:04:16,104 --> 00:04:16,264 Speaker 2: it was. 97 00:04:16,384 --> 00:04:18,584 Speaker 1: It was I turned a corner in the old Mumma 98 00:04:18,624 --> 00:04:20,544 Speaker 1: Mer office, you know, we had that long corridor and 99 00:04:20,624 --> 00:04:22,824 Speaker 1: it was eight in Nicodemu and Lynn McGranger from Home 100 00:04:22,864 --> 00:04:25,744 Speaker 1: and Away. And because I had like been obsessively watching 101 00:04:25,784 --> 00:04:28,264 Speaker 1: Home and Away all through my childhood and teen years, 102 00:04:28,744 --> 00:04:30,664 Speaker 1: I saw them and I just panicked and I ran 103 00:04:30,704 --> 00:04:33,304 Speaker 1: away and I hid in that little old that closet 104 00:04:33,424 --> 00:04:35,384 Speaker 1: next to them because I was like, I didn't want 105 00:04:35,384 --> 00:04:37,544 Speaker 1: to interact with them. Yeah, of course, yeah, because I 106 00:04:37,584 --> 00:04:39,664 Speaker 1: was like, I was so starstruck, Like I could see 107 00:04:39,664 --> 00:04:42,064 Speaker 1: an A list like movie star and that would be fine, 108 00:04:42,144 --> 00:04:43,944 Speaker 1: but not not Irene from Home and Away. 109 00:04:44,024 --> 00:04:45,624 Speaker 3: I feel like this is the wrong time to tell 110 00:04:45,624 --> 00:04:47,624 Speaker 3: you that I was a neighbours girl growing up. 111 00:04:47,904 --> 00:04:50,504 Speaker 2: Oh I mean, look, not gonna judge you for that. 112 00:04:50,624 --> 00:04:52,984 Speaker 1: I also went through a few neighbours stints, okay, but 113 00:04:53,064 --> 00:04:55,464 Speaker 1: like Home and Away like that was my diehard. I 114 00:04:55,464 --> 00:04:57,984 Speaker 1: probably shouldn't have been watching it as a small child, 115 00:04:58,064 --> 00:04:59,264 Speaker 1: but we just did things like that. 116 00:04:59,344 --> 00:04:59,984 Speaker 2: It was on TV. 117 00:05:00,184 --> 00:05:01,584 Speaker 1: I remember that was when I when like one of 118 00:05:01,584 --> 00:05:03,664 Speaker 1: the characters, like Selena was pregnant and saying to my 119 00:05:03,704 --> 00:05:04,824 Speaker 1: mum is a six year old. 120 00:05:04,664 --> 00:05:06,864 Speaker 2: Like what does that mean? She was like, oh, don't worry. 121 00:05:07,144 --> 00:05:09,464 Speaker 1: So that's how we were raised by neighbors and Home 122 00:05:09,504 --> 00:05:11,184 Speaker 1: and Away of course, and I feel like we need 123 00:05:11,224 --> 00:05:13,344 Speaker 1: to go back to giving them all the logies because 124 00:05:13,344 --> 00:05:13,744 Speaker 1: that's how it. 125 00:05:13,744 --> 00:05:15,864 Speaker 2: Used to go. Yeah, we need a full circle moment 126 00:05:15,984 --> 00:05:16,464 Speaker 2: in TV. 127 00:05:16,824 --> 00:05:19,144 Speaker 3: Lots of other awards, of course that make up the logis, 128 00:05:19,184 --> 00:05:22,264 Speaker 3: though they're silver, not goal just FYI, the Burt Newton 129 00:05:22,304 --> 00:05:25,344 Speaker 3: Award for Most Popular Presenter. And now this again is 130 00:05:25,384 --> 00:05:27,944 Speaker 3: a stacked list. Hamish Blake finding his way onto this 131 00:05:27,984 --> 00:05:30,384 Speaker 3: list as well, which makes sense. He hosts a lot 132 00:05:30,424 --> 00:05:31,184 Speaker 3: of great stuff. 133 00:05:31,184 --> 00:05:32,504 Speaker 2: He can win that one. I'll allow it. 134 00:05:32,584 --> 00:05:37,744 Speaker 3: Julia Morris as well, Ricky Lee, Sonya Krueger to Todd Woodbridge. 135 00:05:37,384 --> 00:05:38,624 Speaker 2: And Zan Rowe. 136 00:05:38,944 --> 00:05:40,504 Speaker 3: I know who my favorite in that list? 137 00:05:40,584 --> 00:05:42,184 Speaker 1: Oh wait, I think we are the same, shall we 138 00:05:42,184 --> 00:05:44,224 Speaker 1: say at the same time, I'm scared now all right? 139 00:05:44,464 --> 00:05:45,464 Speaker 2: Went two? Three? 140 00:05:45,664 --> 00:05:46,944 Speaker 3: Zan row okay, great? 141 00:05:48,304 --> 00:05:51,224 Speaker 2: Who always I lost your neighbors. We came back around 142 00:05:51,904 --> 00:05:54,944 Speaker 2: we as Androe Fangels on this podcast. And then of 143 00:05:54,984 --> 00:05:55,424 Speaker 2: course the. 144 00:05:55,344 --> 00:05:58,184 Speaker 3: Graham Kennedy Award for Most Popular New Talent, which is 145 00:05:58,224 --> 00:06:00,624 Speaker 3: a really interesting award because I feel like this really 146 00:06:00,664 --> 00:06:03,264 Speaker 3: sets people up to have long and during careers in 147 00:06:03,304 --> 00:06:07,624 Speaker 3: Australian media. I think of people like Tony Armstrong obviously. 148 00:06:07,704 --> 00:06:08,984 Speaker 2: Who is so beloved. 149 00:06:09,344 --> 00:06:12,744 Speaker 3: Some really great names this list, Guy Montgomery of course 150 00:06:12,784 --> 00:06:15,504 Speaker 3: Guy Mont's spelling be on the ABC. Jenny Tan who 151 00:06:15,544 --> 00:06:18,984 Speaker 3: is just like wonderful and so hilarious. Yes, Kyler Day, 152 00:06:19,384 --> 00:06:24,384 Speaker 3: Sophia Levin and Haley Pinto and Kate Miller Hideke as well. 153 00:06:24,424 --> 00:06:26,744 Speaker 1: Oh, a new fresh face we've never heard of before, 154 00:06:26,784 --> 00:06:28,304 Speaker 1: but I guess you know, because she's won so many 155 00:06:28,384 --> 00:06:29,144 Speaker 1: music awards. 156 00:06:29,384 --> 00:06:32,304 Speaker 2: Sure it's for being on the Voice. Yeah, she's one 157 00:06:32,304 --> 00:06:32,824 Speaker 2: of the judges. 158 00:06:32,944 --> 00:06:35,024 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, it was all the different musical shows. 159 00:06:35,024 --> 00:06:36,544 Speaker 1: A score in my heages then, but I'm like, yeah, 160 00:06:36,544 --> 00:06:38,904 Speaker 1: it's definitely the voice. It's definitely the voice. So we'll 161 00:06:38,944 --> 00:06:40,064 Speaker 1: see what comes of that. 162 00:06:40,104 --> 00:06:42,664 Speaker 3: The full list of all the LOGI nominees is actually 163 00:06:42,704 --> 00:06:44,504 Speaker 3: out on the Muma Mere website right now, so you 164 00:06:44,544 --> 00:06:46,264 Speaker 3: can go there and have a look. And of course 165 00:06:46,304 --> 00:06:49,584 Speaker 3: the logis are happening on Sunday August three at the 166 00:06:49,624 --> 00:06:50,904 Speaker 3: Star here in Sydney. 167 00:06:50,984 --> 00:06:53,024 Speaker 2: Nice to be back close for you. Or it's not 168 00:06:53,104 --> 00:06:53,784 Speaker 2: big commute? 169 00:06:53,944 --> 00:06:55,344 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I love that. That's why I look for 170 00:06:55,384 --> 00:06:57,184 Speaker 1: on the logis. Is not a big commute time. 171 00:06:57,984 --> 00:06:59,304 Speaker 2: You'll be there right well? 172 00:06:59,384 --> 00:07:01,224 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, probably on the red carpet. Not so much 173 00:07:01,264 --> 00:07:02,824 Speaker 1: in the room unless I can invite it back into 174 00:07:02,824 --> 00:07:03,104 Speaker 1: the room. 175 00:07:03,104 --> 00:07:04,224 Speaker 2: I've been there before. We'll see. 176 00:07:04,264 --> 00:07:08,064 Speaker 1: Stay tuned for that cliffhanger. Okay, moving on to a 177 00:07:08,104 --> 00:07:11,064 Speaker 1: big story that consumed a lot of people over the weekend. 178 00:07:11,224 --> 00:07:14,224 Speaker 1: Or whether you have a huge social media following or 179 00:07:14,264 --> 00:07:16,304 Speaker 1: you're just a nobody on the internet like me, everyone 180 00:07:16,384 --> 00:07:18,344 Speaker 1: was talking about this and that is the fact that 181 00:07:18,384 --> 00:07:21,624 Speaker 1: Indy Clinton, who is one of Australia's biggest TikTok stars, 182 00:07:21,784 --> 00:07:25,824 Speaker 1: entrepreneur a huge kind of face in the online media landscape, 183 00:07:26,024 --> 00:07:28,624 Speaker 1: gave an interview to the Daily Telegraph and also put 184 00:07:28,624 --> 00:07:31,384 Speaker 1: out a statement saying that she had hired a professional 185 00:07:31,424 --> 00:07:34,264 Speaker 1: pi to look into a number of people who had 186 00:07:34,304 --> 00:07:37,944 Speaker 1: been trolling, harassing her and defaming her online over the years. 187 00:07:38,224 --> 00:07:41,144 Speaker 1: So she said to the Daily Telegraph that she had, 188 00:07:41,264 --> 00:07:43,504 Speaker 1: along with the help of this professional team, that the 189 00:07:43,504 --> 00:07:45,984 Speaker 1: cyber bullies who had been harassing her for years had 190 00:07:46,024 --> 00:07:49,064 Speaker 1: been identified and then she was able to take legal 191 00:07:49,104 --> 00:07:51,824 Speaker 1: action to hold them accountable. And she went on to 192 00:07:51,864 --> 00:07:54,384 Speaker 1: say to the Daily Telegraph that some of the defamatory 193 00:07:54,424 --> 00:07:56,304 Speaker 1: things which had been said about her in recent years 194 00:07:56,344 --> 00:07:59,344 Speaker 1: were extremely distressing. And then she wented to sort of 195 00:07:59,344 --> 00:08:01,784 Speaker 1: talk about what could happen if this sort of behavior 196 00:08:01,824 --> 00:08:04,224 Speaker 1: continued with people who were living in the public eye, 197 00:08:04,424 --> 00:08:06,664 Speaker 1: and she said, lives have been taken for me a 198 00:08:06,704 --> 00:08:07,424 Speaker 1: few months ago. 199 00:08:07,544 --> 00:08:09,224 Speaker 2: What I endured was life or death. 200 00:08:09,504 --> 00:08:11,424 Speaker 1: So she was talking about the fact there if you 201 00:08:11,424 --> 00:08:13,464 Speaker 1: saw this at the time, that she had some plastic 202 00:08:13,504 --> 00:08:17,104 Speaker 1: surgery and she shared that online and the trolling and 203 00:08:17,264 --> 00:08:19,704 Speaker 1: it's like the really public backlash and she was getting 204 00:08:19,744 --> 00:08:23,144 Speaker 1: really violent messages about it was such a huge thing 205 00:08:23,184 --> 00:08:25,744 Speaker 1: that really consumed anyone who followed her for a while. 206 00:08:25,984 --> 00:08:29,424 Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, I mean, when anybody puts anything online, they 207 00:08:29,424 --> 00:08:31,584 Speaker 3: are making a conscious choice that it is open to 208 00:08:31,664 --> 00:08:35,944 Speaker 3: the public opinion forum. However, that does not mean that 209 00:08:35,984 --> 00:08:40,264 Speaker 3: you are inviting violent, threatening messages that make you feel 210 00:08:40,304 --> 00:08:43,144 Speaker 3: potentially unsafe even in your own home or community. 211 00:08:43,384 --> 00:08:44,224 Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. 212 00:08:44,664 --> 00:08:47,424 Speaker 1: And previously people have just been told there's something you 213 00:08:47,464 --> 00:08:50,664 Speaker 1: can do because it's anonymous, it's online. It wasn't something 214 00:08:50,704 --> 00:08:53,704 Speaker 1: you could really take action against someone sending you comments. 215 00:08:53,744 --> 00:08:55,504 Speaker 1: I know that a lot of influencers in the past 216 00:08:55,504 --> 00:08:58,024 Speaker 1: said that when this has happened to them, or influencers 217 00:08:58,064 --> 00:09:00,784 Speaker 1: or media personalities, when something like this has happened to them, 218 00:09:00,784 --> 00:09:03,904 Speaker 1: they have contacted the police, and often all they've been 219 00:09:03,904 --> 00:09:05,504 Speaker 1: told is they have to wait for action to be 220 00:09:05,544 --> 00:09:07,544 Speaker 1: taken or they need more proof. It can't just be 221 00:09:07,584 --> 00:09:11,264 Speaker 1: a comment online. But that's starting to change. And what 222 00:09:11,304 --> 00:09:13,544 Speaker 1: Indy Clinton said is that she had sort of just 223 00:09:13,584 --> 00:09:16,584 Speaker 1: had enough. She'd hire these professionals, and then she was 224 00:09:16,624 --> 00:09:20,944 Speaker 1: able to take some legal action because she had tracked ipeaddresses, 225 00:09:20,984 --> 00:09:22,984 Speaker 1: tracked real names, all those sorts of things. 226 00:09:23,384 --> 00:09:26,904 Speaker 3: It's a really bold move and a really brave move 227 00:09:26,984 --> 00:09:29,704 Speaker 3: to take, and then to talk about it publicly on 228 00:09:29,704 --> 00:09:32,704 Speaker 3: your platform, be like, hey, I see you, and I've 229 00:09:32,704 --> 00:09:34,944 Speaker 3: stopped ignoring you, and I'm actually going to take a 230 00:09:35,024 --> 00:09:37,184 Speaker 3: stand against this. Now we don't know what is to 231 00:09:37,224 --> 00:09:40,744 Speaker 3: come of this sixty four page report. Yes that India 232 00:09:40,744 --> 00:09:42,184 Speaker 3: has been handed and we don't even know what's in 233 00:09:42,224 --> 00:09:43,824 Speaker 3: that report. We just know that it's something that is 234 00:09:43,864 --> 00:09:47,264 Speaker 3: now in her possession. But the fact that she's gone, hey, 235 00:09:47,904 --> 00:09:50,584 Speaker 3: I know you think you're anonymous. And by the way, 236 00:09:51,424 --> 00:09:54,584 Speaker 3: anybody who puts anything online anymore, if you think that 237 00:09:54,624 --> 00:09:58,184 Speaker 3: you're anonymous, you are absolutely kidding yourself. Even if you 238 00:09:58,224 --> 00:10:00,504 Speaker 3: post under your own name. Nothing has gone from the 239 00:10:00,504 --> 00:10:01,304 Speaker 3: Internet forever. 240 00:10:01,704 --> 00:10:04,104 Speaker 2: We know that now, yes, exactly. 241 00:10:03,744 --> 00:10:06,864 Speaker 3: So why people still continue to put hateful or dangerous 242 00:10:06,944 --> 00:10:10,344 Speaker 3: or scary things on the Internet completely baffles met. 243 00:10:10,544 --> 00:10:13,104 Speaker 1: And that's the tagline I saw so many people sharing, 244 00:10:13,384 --> 00:10:15,184 Speaker 1: and not just people that I follow who are really 245 00:10:15,184 --> 00:10:17,144 Speaker 1: in the public eye, but even just people who are 246 00:10:17,464 --> 00:10:19,824 Speaker 1: active on socials but don't have a huge account. I've 247 00:10:19,864 --> 00:10:21,944 Speaker 1: seen so many people sharing that over the weekend, that 248 00:10:22,024 --> 00:10:24,904 Speaker 1: no one is anonymous, which I think has been the 249 00:10:24,984 --> 00:10:28,144 Speaker 1: turning point is that this sixty four page report that 250 00:10:28,184 --> 00:10:31,304 Speaker 1: she has with like contact names of people, like home 251 00:10:31,304 --> 00:10:34,104 Speaker 1: addresses where they work, all those sorts of things. Once 252 00:10:34,184 --> 00:10:38,184 Speaker 1: you find out who's behind these accounts, people's identity is 253 00:10:38,304 --> 00:10:39,104 Speaker 1: very traceable. 254 00:10:39,304 --> 00:10:41,184 Speaker 3: Absolutely, and I think for a lot of people this 255 00:10:41,304 --> 00:10:44,104 Speaker 3: might be their first time seeing someone really big that 256 00:10:44,144 --> 00:10:48,024 Speaker 3: they follow actually dealing with these trolls head on. But 257 00:10:48,104 --> 00:10:50,624 Speaker 3: as we know, Laura, this is not the first example 258 00:10:50,664 --> 00:10:54,224 Speaker 3: of somebody receiving online hate and then actually doing something 259 00:10:54,224 --> 00:10:57,064 Speaker 3: about it. This actually goes back to basically for as 260 00:10:57,064 --> 00:11:01,224 Speaker 3: long as people, usually women in particular, have posted anything 261 00:11:01,264 --> 00:11:03,744 Speaker 3: online or have been a public presence. I think about 262 00:11:03,784 --> 00:11:08,064 Speaker 3: people like Aaron Mollin, for instance, who is a journalist 263 00:11:08,104 --> 00:11:11,824 Speaker 3: and a reporter who spoke on sixty Minutes actually about 264 00:11:12,064 --> 00:11:14,824 Speaker 3: what she has done to help stamp out this hate. 265 00:11:15,144 --> 00:11:18,664 Speaker 4: This is not about some little girl who wants to 266 00:11:18,704 --> 00:11:20,784 Speaker 4: go on Instagram and get likes and post a selfie. 267 00:11:20,784 --> 00:11:21,704 Speaker 2: That's ridiculous. 268 00:11:22,224 --> 00:11:24,144 Speaker 4: This is about being able to do something that everyone 269 00:11:24,144 --> 00:11:26,424 Speaker 4: else in this country does, which is be online and 270 00:11:26,504 --> 00:11:29,904 Speaker 4: not having to be subjected to vile, threatening, intimidating abuse 271 00:11:30,864 --> 00:11:31,704 Speaker 4: nobody deserves. 272 00:11:31,744 --> 00:11:33,704 Speaker 2: I don't care who you are, so you know. 273 00:11:33,784 --> 00:11:36,144 Speaker 3: Some really strong words from Marion mLAN there, and who knows, 274 00:11:36,184 --> 00:11:39,024 Speaker 3: maybe this will help to set a prisoner and really 275 00:11:39,064 --> 00:11:41,744 Speaker 3: make people reconsider what it is that they're doing when 276 00:11:41,784 --> 00:11:45,384 Speaker 3: they post something hateful or scary online. The other example, Lauren, 277 00:11:45,384 --> 00:11:48,144 Speaker 3: and I know that you were definitely working around the 278 00:11:48,144 --> 00:11:53,264 Speaker 3: media when this happened is when Charlotte Dawson confronted her troll. 279 00:11:53,464 --> 00:11:55,824 Speaker 3: Of course, for people who don't remember, Charlotte Dawson was 280 00:11:55,944 --> 00:11:59,944 Speaker 3: this extremely high profile Australian TV personality, She was a model, 281 00:12:00,024 --> 00:12:03,864 Speaker 3: and she became this advocate against cyberbullying after she experienced 282 00:12:03,904 --> 00:12:07,144 Speaker 3: her own online harassment. It was, like most online harassment, 283 00:12:07,184 --> 00:12:10,544 Speaker 3: extremely intense for a woman of such public stature. She 284 00:12:10,744 --> 00:12:13,584 Speaker 3: was the target of this coordinated campaign of abuse on 285 00:12:13,664 --> 00:12:16,384 Speaker 3: social media, particularly on Twitter. People were sending her these 286 00:12:16,424 --> 00:12:20,224 Speaker 3: really awful messages urging her to inflict. 287 00:12:19,824 --> 00:12:21,024 Speaker 2: Harm upon herself. 288 00:12:21,504 --> 00:12:23,584 Speaker 3: And then it actually all came out in the wash 289 00:12:23,664 --> 00:12:26,344 Speaker 3: and she actually, you know, confronted a couple of the 290 00:12:26,384 --> 00:12:29,104 Speaker 3: people who were behind all of this trolling online. 291 00:12:29,344 --> 00:12:30,904 Speaker 1: I suppose the first thing I want to say is, 292 00:12:30,944 --> 00:12:34,384 Speaker 1: because I'm face to face with you, thesite around said, 293 00:12:35,104 --> 00:12:36,944 Speaker 1: how do you feel? I said, by the fact that 294 00:12:36,984 --> 00:12:38,304 Speaker 1: you know, I do say a lot of things that 295 00:12:38,344 --> 00:12:40,264 Speaker 1: are very nice. 296 00:12:40,264 --> 00:12:43,024 Speaker 2: Where does that come from? Doesn't come from anywhere in particular, 297 00:12:43,224 --> 00:12:45,424 Speaker 2: It just comes Do you think that people like Charlotte 298 00:12:45,464 --> 00:12:47,144 Speaker 2: should have to just cop. 299 00:12:47,384 --> 00:12:50,464 Speaker 1: Whenever you put out there, I think that you know, 300 00:12:50,624 --> 00:12:52,424 Speaker 1: being in the public eye, you are going to get 301 00:12:52,464 --> 00:12:55,504 Speaker 1: abused again. A little bit more confident on the internet's 302 00:12:55,544 --> 00:12:58,064 Speaker 1: fair game. If they put themselves out in the media, 303 00:12:58,104 --> 00:13:00,824 Speaker 1: I think they should be prepared the. 304 00:13:00,744 --> 00:13:01,424 Speaker 2: Cops and slack. 305 00:13:01,664 --> 00:13:04,064 Speaker 3: I can understand why some people would think that was disrespectful. 306 00:13:04,104 --> 00:13:06,584 Speaker 4: However, me, I have a very very dulled sense of 307 00:13:06,624 --> 00:13:09,504 Speaker 4: what is disrepectful and what isn't because I'm just desensitized 308 00:13:09,504 --> 00:13:11,504 Speaker 4: to her, and that's what the why is. 309 00:13:12,264 --> 00:13:14,544 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I remember that being confronting at the time, 310 00:13:14,664 --> 00:13:17,144 Speaker 1: but I think with the way that that situation has 311 00:13:17,344 --> 00:13:20,744 Speaker 1: escalated is even more confronting to hear now to people 312 00:13:20,784 --> 00:13:23,464 Speaker 1: say like, it's not real life. And also that idea 313 00:13:23,504 --> 00:13:26,904 Speaker 1: of what Charlotte was saying about how these people say 314 00:13:26,944 --> 00:13:29,144 Speaker 1: these things online, but at the same time she's like, 315 00:13:29,184 --> 00:13:31,224 Speaker 1: but you wouldn't turn around to me when you're staring 316 00:13:31,264 --> 00:13:33,824 Speaker 1: at me here right now and say those things. I 317 00:13:33,864 --> 00:13:35,864 Speaker 1: think it is the line for a lot of people 318 00:13:35,944 --> 00:13:38,224 Speaker 1: in terms of the idea that they think that words 319 00:13:38,264 --> 00:13:40,304 Speaker 1: online and then what they would say to a real 320 00:13:40,344 --> 00:13:42,664 Speaker 1: person are two different worlds. But when you're the person 321 00:13:42,744 --> 00:13:46,064 Speaker 1: who's at the center of that online and getting that abuse. 322 00:13:46,144 --> 00:13:48,824 Speaker 1: It's a completely different story. And also for someone like 323 00:13:48,904 --> 00:13:51,304 Speaker 1: Charlotte Dawson too, there's the added thing of her being 324 00:13:51,344 --> 00:13:54,024 Speaker 1: like such a recognizable face when all this was happening. 325 00:13:54,024 --> 00:13:56,504 Speaker 1: So not only is she having all these people come 326 00:13:56,544 --> 00:13:58,944 Speaker 1: for her online and these like very coordinated attacks, then 327 00:13:58,984 --> 00:14:02,224 Speaker 1: because she's a public face, then outlets start reporting on it, 328 00:14:02,544 --> 00:14:04,784 Speaker 1: they bring more eyes on it. It's like an escalating 329 00:14:04,824 --> 00:14:07,704 Speaker 1: situation where then people see that and then they go 330 00:14:07,744 --> 00:14:10,264 Speaker 1: and join the trolls. It's always like this like eating 331 00:14:10,424 --> 00:14:12,944 Speaker 1: itself kind of media cycle that can then take off. 332 00:14:13,104 --> 00:14:15,344 Speaker 3: Oh, it's like a self fulfilling prophecy. And during that 333 00:14:15,464 --> 00:14:18,224 Speaker 3: whole period of time, there still has to be a 334 00:14:18,304 --> 00:14:20,584 Speaker 3: level of self preservation, like she still has to show 335 00:14:20,664 --> 00:14:22,624 Speaker 3: up to work and she still has to be the 336 00:14:22,784 --> 00:14:25,864 Speaker 3: Charlotte Dawson that we've all become accustomed to seeing in 337 00:14:25,904 --> 00:14:28,824 Speaker 3: public life. And then, of course Laura nobody ever wants 338 00:14:28,864 --> 00:14:32,744 Speaker 3: to talk about the extreme cases, but unfortunately Charlotte Dawson 339 00:14:32,904 --> 00:14:36,784 Speaker 3: is one of those really really sad cases that in 340 00:14:36,864 --> 00:14:39,664 Speaker 3: twenty fourteen, she did end up taking her own life, 341 00:14:40,304 --> 00:14:42,984 Speaker 3: largely as a result of all of this online trolling 342 00:14:43,024 --> 00:14:45,944 Speaker 3: and hate, and it does go to show that if 343 00:14:45,984 --> 00:14:50,144 Speaker 3: continually pushed and if continually harassed, anybody can fall victim 344 00:14:50,184 --> 00:14:52,584 Speaker 3: to it. In that way, nobody is above it and 345 00:14:52,624 --> 00:14:55,184 Speaker 3: nobody is below it. So when it ranges from such 346 00:14:55,224 --> 00:14:58,224 Speaker 3: extreme cases and examples like Charlotte Dawson's death all the 347 00:14:58,224 --> 00:15:01,664 Speaker 3: way down to Indy Clinton's sixty four page report, it's 348 00:15:01,744 --> 00:15:05,144 Speaker 3: so important to remember that you are a person behind 349 00:15:05,144 --> 00:15:07,304 Speaker 3: that keyboard who you're putting your hate out into the world. 350 00:15:07,344 --> 00:15:09,624 Speaker 3: You're not anonymous, just as on the other end, the 351 00:15:09,664 --> 00:15:12,264 Speaker 3: person received that is also just a human being. 352 00:15:12,464 --> 00:15:16,664 Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, And I think talking about Charlotte's death because 353 00:15:16,664 --> 00:15:19,424 Speaker 1: she was beloved by so many people, can be really difficult. 354 00:15:19,464 --> 00:15:21,344 Speaker 1: But I also think it's just it is important in 355 00:15:21,344 --> 00:15:23,744 Speaker 1: this conversation to always bring up her name and bring 356 00:15:23,864 --> 00:15:25,744 Speaker 1: up what she said, just because she devoted so much 357 00:15:25,824 --> 00:15:29,104 Speaker 1: of her life to pushing against bullying and online behavior. 358 00:15:29,144 --> 00:15:31,664 Speaker 1: And I do think that things like meeting her trolls 359 00:15:31,744 --> 00:15:33,704 Speaker 1: or giving all these interviews about it, I do think 360 00:15:33,744 --> 00:15:35,864 Speaker 1: that did move the dial a little bit. Even if 361 00:15:35,864 --> 00:15:38,544 Speaker 1: she just stopped a handful of people who attacked her 362 00:15:38,624 --> 00:15:40,744 Speaker 1: from then jumping online and doing it to other people. 363 00:15:41,144 --> 00:15:43,504 Speaker 1: That's a huge change that she enacted through her life. 364 00:15:43,504 --> 00:15:46,224 Speaker 1: So I do think that's important to bring up, Nana. 365 00:15:46,584 --> 00:15:48,624 Speaker 1: What's really interesting about this is that we have these 366 00:15:48,664 --> 00:15:51,464 Speaker 1: two kind of huge stories around online behavior and well 367 00:15:51,464 --> 00:15:53,784 Speaker 1: known figures and celebrity. Is kind of culminating in the 368 00:15:53,824 --> 00:15:57,504 Speaker 1: last couple of days because alongside Indian Clinton talking about 369 00:15:57,584 --> 00:16:00,224 Speaker 1: hiring this private investigator, not releasing all the details of 370 00:16:00,224 --> 00:16:02,344 Speaker 1: the sixty four page report, but sort of taking people 371 00:16:02,464 --> 00:16:04,704 Speaker 1: through house she did it and starting a huge conversation, 372 00:16:05,184 --> 00:16:08,624 Speaker 1: we also had another big story take place in that area, 373 00:16:08,944 --> 00:16:12,664 Speaker 1: and that is the founder of are very How do 374 00:16:12,664 --> 00:16:13,704 Speaker 1: you describe Tattle? 375 00:16:13,904 --> 00:16:14,984 Speaker 2: Well, I'm hoping you tell me. 376 00:16:15,064 --> 00:16:15,104 Speaker 3: No. 377 00:16:15,584 --> 00:16:18,344 Speaker 1: I mean, unfortunately I can tell you and look for 378 00:16:18,344 --> 00:16:20,424 Speaker 1: anyone out there who listening who doesn't know what title is. 379 00:16:20,424 --> 00:16:21,224 Speaker 2: God bless you. 380 00:16:21,224 --> 00:16:23,264 Speaker 1: You live a charmed life and you should stay there 381 00:16:23,464 --> 00:16:26,824 Speaker 1: ignorance and don't go into these dark corners of the internet. 382 00:16:27,904 --> 00:16:30,664 Speaker 3: Ignorance is bliss. However, we are here to corrupt that 383 00:16:30,784 --> 00:16:31,544 Speaker 3: ignorance right now. 384 00:16:31,624 --> 00:16:33,824 Speaker 1: Yes, Well, I should say I've been really careful not 385 00:16:33,864 --> 00:16:35,824 Speaker 1: to mention tattle on the spill. I know a lot 386 00:16:35,824 --> 00:16:37,944 Speaker 1: of people don't mention sites like that because you don't 387 00:16:37,944 --> 00:16:41,344 Speaker 1: want to drive people towards them. Because this has blown 388 00:16:41,424 --> 00:16:43,904 Speaker 1: up as a big news story over the weekend, and 389 00:16:44,024 --> 00:16:46,904 Speaker 1: especially because and so many influencers who are mentioned on 390 00:16:46,944 --> 00:16:48,904 Speaker 1: tatle a lot have their own tittle threads have been 391 00:16:48,944 --> 00:16:51,824 Speaker 1: sharing it. I think it's really in the public domain 392 00:16:51,864 --> 00:16:53,624 Speaker 1: now and it's not okay to talk about it. But 393 00:16:53,624 --> 00:16:55,184 Speaker 1: the more we talk about it, hopefully the more it 394 00:16:55,264 --> 00:16:57,744 Speaker 1: kind of shines a light and potentially it'll get shut down. 395 00:16:57,984 --> 00:17:01,584 Speaker 1: So title is an online gossip forum active in many, many, 396 00:17:01,664 --> 00:17:03,624 Speaker 1: very countries, and the idea is that you have these 397 00:17:03,624 --> 00:17:08,544 Speaker 1: different threads and pages about specific people or places. You 398 00:17:08,544 --> 00:17:10,944 Speaker 1: have to have a certain number of followers who on 399 00:17:11,064 --> 00:17:13,984 Speaker 1: likec with social media accounts to have an account made 400 00:17:14,184 --> 00:17:16,664 Speaker 1: about you, So like, you can't just go and make 401 00:17:16,704 --> 00:17:19,304 Speaker 1: an account about like a random person with like two 402 00:17:19,424 --> 00:17:21,184 Speaker 1: hundred followers. It has to be someone who's in the 403 00:17:21,184 --> 00:17:23,744 Speaker 1: public eye. Not that that's an excuse for anything, but 404 00:17:23,944 --> 00:17:26,904 Speaker 1: that's what the idea is. Okay, And on these forums, 405 00:17:27,104 --> 00:17:29,344 Speaker 1: so many people I believe you have to like, I 406 00:17:29,344 --> 00:17:32,024 Speaker 1: think anyone can view it. Well, I know anyone can 407 00:17:32,024 --> 00:17:33,504 Speaker 1: deal it because I've looked at it, and I'm definitely 408 00:17:33,504 --> 00:17:35,264 Speaker 1: not a member, but I think it is invite only, 409 00:17:35,304 --> 00:17:37,704 Speaker 1: like someone has to send you a code to access. 410 00:17:37,984 --> 00:17:41,144 Speaker 1: Already hating out, Yeah, it is something to hate that. 411 00:17:41,384 --> 00:17:45,144 Speaker 1: That's the correct emotion, just because it's it's so organized, 412 00:17:45,624 --> 00:17:47,984 Speaker 1: and it's so who has this much energy to be 413 00:17:48,024 --> 00:17:50,104 Speaker 1: so oh no, wait, we haven't even got to that 414 00:17:50,304 --> 00:17:52,784 Speaker 1: stage yet. There's a lot to say about that situation, 415 00:17:52,864 --> 00:17:54,984 Speaker 1: about the energy, because for a lot of people, this 416 00:17:55,184 --> 00:17:57,264 Speaker 1: is you know, everyone has a third place for a 417 00:17:57,264 --> 00:18:00,624 Speaker 1: lot of people, unfortunately, a lot of people have Homework 418 00:18:00,664 --> 00:18:03,944 Speaker 1: and Tattle and like virtual third place, and the idea 419 00:18:04,024 --> 00:18:06,984 Speaker 1: is that you go on there and basically bitch and 420 00:18:07,104 --> 00:18:11,824 Speaker 1: complain and share intel about these public figures in this place. 421 00:18:11,864 --> 00:18:15,744 Speaker 1: But everyone there has like a fake name, a fake hitcher. 422 00:18:16,064 --> 00:18:18,384 Speaker 1: It's all been very mysterious, and for a long time 423 00:18:18,424 --> 00:18:20,264 Speaker 1: people have been like people have tried to shut it 424 00:18:20,304 --> 00:18:22,944 Speaker 1: down many times, and well known people who have had 425 00:18:23,224 --> 00:18:26,624 Speaker 1: really intense threads about themselves and their families and their 426 00:18:26,664 --> 00:18:29,944 Speaker 1: businesses have tried to take legal action and it hasn't 427 00:18:29,944 --> 00:18:34,824 Speaker 1: really gone ahead. And recently the person behind it all 428 00:18:34,944 --> 00:18:39,304 Speaker 1: who started Tattle, which is now a worldwide situation, has 429 00:18:39,344 --> 00:18:43,824 Speaker 1: been unmasked as Sebastian Bond, who also goes by the 430 00:18:43,864 --> 00:18:48,064 Speaker 1: alias Bastian Durwood. So Sebastian Bond is a UK citizen. 431 00:18:48,504 --> 00:18:51,224 Speaker 1: He's also the creator behind the plant based recipe brand 432 00:18:51,424 --> 00:18:55,264 Speaker 1: Nest and Glow, which I'm sure he doesn't want those 433 00:18:55,304 --> 00:18:58,144 Speaker 1: two things said in the same situation. But this is 434 00:18:58,184 --> 00:19:01,384 Speaker 1: the situation that Sebastian has created for himself. So he's 435 00:19:01,424 --> 00:19:04,824 Speaker 1: been operating Tattle under a false name, which is Helen McDougall, 436 00:19:05,224 --> 00:19:07,944 Speaker 1: and he was using companies in Hong Kong and the 437 00:19:08,064 --> 00:19:12,024 Speaker 1: UK to obscure his idea, entity and income from this. 438 00:19:12,144 --> 00:19:14,904 Speaker 1: So people have been trying to find this person for many, many, 439 00:19:14,904 --> 00:19:17,824 Speaker 1: many years, and the reasons that it's happened is because 440 00:19:17,864 --> 00:19:20,184 Speaker 1: of a landmark legal case that was brought about by 441 00:19:20,264 --> 00:19:22,744 Speaker 1: Neil and Donna San. So they are an Irish couple 442 00:19:23,064 --> 00:19:26,104 Speaker 1: who were targeted by a forty five page thread on 443 00:19:26,264 --> 00:19:30,544 Speaker 1: Tattle that the court documents from this case described as 444 00:19:30,624 --> 00:19:35,944 Speaker 1: a calculated exercise of extreme cynicism and serious harassment. The 445 00:19:35,944 --> 00:19:39,064 Speaker 1: couple was awarded damages of three hundred thousand pounds And 446 00:19:39,184 --> 00:19:41,864 Speaker 1: this is also interesting, over one million dollars in assets 447 00:19:41,944 --> 00:19:45,944 Speaker 1: linked to tattle Life's advertising revenue were frozen. So tattle 448 00:19:45,984 --> 00:19:48,984 Speaker 1: Life doesn't do sponsored content, but there are like ads 449 00:19:48,984 --> 00:19:50,904 Speaker 1: like those Google ads do pop up in there. 450 00:19:51,344 --> 00:19:54,224 Speaker 3: Who is making to advertise on this website? 451 00:19:54,224 --> 00:19:56,224 Speaker 1: No, I don't think it's like they sell space like 452 00:19:56,264 --> 00:19:58,504 Speaker 1: they or they sell like advertising generator. 453 00:19:58,704 --> 00:20:00,024 Speaker 2: Yeah, like when you go on the. 454 00:19:59,984 --> 00:20:03,224 Speaker 1: Different feeds, ads will pop up that circulate the Internet, 455 00:20:03,264 --> 00:20:05,584 Speaker 1: so they'd be making revenue. And because there's millions of 456 00:20:05,584 --> 00:20:07,464 Speaker 1: people on this site all the time, they'd be getting 457 00:20:07,464 --> 00:20:10,384 Speaker 1: a lot of eyes on there, which is again just 458 00:20:10,784 --> 00:20:13,104 Speaker 1: a huge part of it, the fact that it's become 459 00:20:13,104 --> 00:20:15,664 Speaker 1: this huge thing, it's had these real life consequences, and 460 00:20:15,784 --> 00:20:17,704 Speaker 1: he's making a lot of money off it. So if 461 00:20:17,704 --> 00:20:22,024 Speaker 1: a court actually lifted reporting restrictions on Bond's identity just 462 00:20:22,064 --> 00:20:25,024 Speaker 1: in June of this year, saying that his reckless conduct 463 00:20:25,024 --> 00:20:28,024 Speaker 1: and his attempts to evade enforcement of UK court decisions 464 00:20:28,304 --> 00:20:31,384 Speaker 1: had led to that, and basically this is what people 465 00:20:31,384 --> 00:20:34,344 Speaker 1: have been really chasing since twenty eighteen. 466 00:20:34,504 --> 00:20:35,664 Speaker 2: So if you're want of. 467 00:20:35,624 --> 00:20:39,064 Speaker 1: Those people who sort of across this terrible world, which 468 00:20:39,144 --> 00:20:41,904 Speaker 1: unfortunately a lot of really well known people are, because 469 00:20:41,904 --> 00:20:44,024 Speaker 1: they just can't you know, they even if they don't 470 00:20:44,064 --> 00:20:46,024 Speaker 1: go and look at it, they're very aware it's happening. 471 00:20:46,104 --> 00:20:48,224 Speaker 1: This is a huge landmark case of having a face 472 00:20:48,264 --> 00:20:50,744 Speaker 1: and a name and court restrictions against this person. 473 00:20:51,424 --> 00:20:53,664 Speaker 3: It's so interesting, right, Laura, because I look at those 474 00:20:53,784 --> 00:20:56,984 Speaker 3: names of that couple who were really the undoing of 475 00:20:57,064 --> 00:21:00,664 Speaker 3: tattle life. I have no idea who those people are, yeah, 476 00:21:00,704 --> 00:21:03,384 Speaker 3: which I think is really telling of like we will 477 00:21:03,504 --> 00:21:06,864 Speaker 3: basically just read hateful stuff about anybody. 478 00:21:07,144 --> 00:21:10,424 Speaker 1: Oh, there are millions of tattle threads, and can I 479 00:21:10,424 --> 00:21:13,224 Speaker 1: say it's not a sight I frequent at all, and 480 00:21:13,264 --> 00:21:15,904 Speaker 1: thank god I'm a nobody, so like I'm not on 481 00:21:15,984 --> 00:21:17,784 Speaker 1: there or if I don't even know how my name 482 00:21:17,824 --> 00:21:19,544 Speaker 1: would brought up if it is, like there's you know, 483 00:21:19,664 --> 00:21:22,224 Speaker 1: notions of it, so that's kind of like a safety net. 484 00:21:22,344 --> 00:21:23,944 Speaker 1: But I did find out about it a couple of 485 00:21:24,024 --> 00:21:26,264 Speaker 1: years ago because a couple of well known people that 486 00:21:26,344 --> 00:21:29,744 Speaker 1: I follow were posting about it and talking about this 487 00:21:29,864 --> 00:21:32,944 Speaker 1: kind of like horrific site that was happening, and I 488 00:21:32,984 --> 00:21:35,504 Speaker 1: was like, what the hell is this? And honestly my 489 00:21:35,584 --> 00:21:38,864 Speaker 1: mind was quite blown by the existence of these threads. 490 00:21:38,904 --> 00:21:41,184 Speaker 1: It's interesting because a lot of different well known people 491 00:21:41,184 --> 00:21:43,264 Speaker 1: have talked about it, And it was only the last 492 00:21:43,304 --> 00:21:45,424 Speaker 1: few months that Steph Claire Smith, who is the co 493 00:21:45,504 --> 00:21:47,784 Speaker 1: owner of Kick and a very public figure with over 494 00:21:47,824 --> 00:21:51,864 Speaker 1: a million followers, was talking about Tattle on her Instagram 495 00:21:51,944 --> 00:21:55,504 Speaker 1: stories and saying that her husband Josh didn't know it 496 00:21:55,544 --> 00:21:57,584 Speaker 1: existed and when he found out, he was just so 497 00:21:57,864 --> 00:22:02,384 Speaker 1: genuinely shocked that people were talking about him, talking about 498 00:22:02,384 --> 00:22:06,024 Speaker 1: their family, talking about their kids, and just couldn't. 499 00:22:05,824 --> 00:22:06,864 Speaker 2: Like just the shock he had. 500 00:22:06,904 --> 00:22:09,104 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, that is the correct response to 501 00:22:09,184 --> 00:22:10,104 Speaker 1: finding out that these things. 502 00:22:10,704 --> 00:22:12,744 Speaker 3: Well, it's shocked as well, because it's that thing of 503 00:22:12,824 --> 00:22:16,584 Speaker 3: you have absolutely no control over that at all. People 504 00:22:16,624 --> 00:22:19,304 Speaker 3: can just get on there like the wild West and 505 00:22:19,384 --> 00:22:22,584 Speaker 3: say whatever the heck they want, true or not, because 506 00:22:22,664 --> 00:22:24,864 Speaker 3: let's be real, I don't think there's a fact checking 507 00:22:25,304 --> 00:22:26,424 Speaker 3: section of Tattle. 508 00:22:26,624 --> 00:22:26,784 Speaker 1: No. 509 00:22:26,864 --> 00:22:29,304 Speaker 3: I don't think that's in the budget for them personally. 510 00:22:29,424 --> 00:22:30,824 Speaker 2: No, no, no, I can't say I've ever seen that. 511 00:22:31,144 --> 00:22:33,984 Speaker 3: What I do want to commend this Northern Irish couple 512 00:22:34,024 --> 00:22:36,304 Speaker 3: on is the fact that they've been able to pursue 513 00:22:36,344 --> 00:22:39,264 Speaker 3: this legal course of action and now we have this 514 00:22:39,344 --> 00:22:42,184 Speaker 3: man's name, Bastard or Bastian, what was his name? 515 00:22:42,424 --> 00:22:45,504 Speaker 2: Yeah, it Sebastian is like his code name. 516 00:22:45,624 --> 00:22:48,264 Speaker 3: I like Bastard better personally. But of course, let us 517 00:22:48,304 --> 00:22:50,024 Speaker 3: not forget the only reason that we do now know 518 00:22:50,064 --> 00:22:52,544 Speaker 3: who this man is is because they were in a 519 00:22:52,624 --> 00:22:56,704 Speaker 3: position which is incredibly wealthy to be able to pursue 520 00:22:56,704 --> 00:22:57,424 Speaker 3: the legal action. 521 00:22:57,544 --> 00:22:59,024 Speaker 2: And a lot of people, even. 522 00:22:58,864 --> 00:23:02,344 Speaker 3: Though they may appear online and they may appear of 523 00:23:02,384 --> 00:23:05,504 Speaker 3: being this high status so high earning or celebrity or influencer, 524 00:23:05,944 --> 00:23:09,384 Speaker 3: that doesn't necessarily mean that they have the financial means 525 00:23:09,424 --> 00:23:12,664 Speaker 3: to pursue the action that this couple have done. Oh absolutely, 526 00:23:12,984 --> 00:23:15,304 Speaker 3: So even when you're reading this, I feel like sometimes 527 00:23:15,304 --> 00:23:18,664 Speaker 3: when we read gossip about celebrities and we're like, oh, 528 00:23:18,704 --> 00:23:23,024 Speaker 3: they're so far away, there's another layer of otherness to them. Yeah, 529 00:23:23,064 --> 00:23:25,144 Speaker 3: But when it comes to these websites that are so 530 00:23:25,344 --> 00:23:28,544 Speaker 3: hate filled, and it's people who are influencers, but they 531 00:23:28,584 --> 00:23:31,704 Speaker 3: are also just somebody that you could see down local supermarket, 532 00:23:32,184 --> 00:23:34,424 Speaker 3: I'm always taken soa back by that. So I'm really 533 00:23:34,424 --> 00:23:37,384 Speaker 3: glad for those people who are maybe on the lower 534 00:23:37,504 --> 00:23:40,144 Speaker 3: end of that scale, and celebrities as well, they're also 535 00:23:40,224 --> 00:23:42,744 Speaker 3: just people that this is all starting to come down 536 00:23:42,744 --> 00:23:43,384 Speaker 3: around this mat. 537 00:23:43,344 --> 00:23:44,104 Speaker 2: Oh one hundred percent. 538 00:23:44,144 --> 00:23:47,144 Speaker 1: And also just because you have twenty thousand followers on Instagram, 539 00:23:47,384 --> 00:23:49,104 Speaker 1: which I think is around the number of people you 540 00:23:49,184 --> 00:23:51,264 Speaker 1: have to have in order for Tattle to make a 541 00:23:51,304 --> 00:23:53,224 Speaker 1: thread about you. It doesn't mean that you have a 542 00:23:53,304 --> 00:23:56,024 Speaker 1: huge amount of wealth from that, like you could not 543 00:23:56,144 --> 00:23:59,104 Speaker 1: have the means to do it. And also what I 544 00:23:59,144 --> 00:24:01,464 Speaker 1: find interesting is that kind of diving. And again I 545 00:24:01,464 --> 00:24:03,064 Speaker 1: haven't spent a lot of time on Tattle, but I 546 00:24:03,104 --> 00:24:05,504 Speaker 1: have like delved into a few threads over the years, 547 00:24:05,544 --> 00:24:08,744 Speaker 1: particularly if some public figure has spoken about it, which 548 00:24:08,784 --> 00:24:11,144 Speaker 1: is unfortunately that line that people have to walk on. 549 00:24:11,184 --> 00:24:14,304 Speaker 1: A lot of public figures have said this over the years, 550 00:24:14,424 --> 00:24:17,704 Speaker 1: is that they sometimes want to speak out against it 551 00:24:17,904 --> 00:24:20,344 Speaker 1: and sort of push back on it. But then if 552 00:24:20,384 --> 00:24:22,584 Speaker 1: you do that, you also run the risk of pushing 553 00:24:22,624 --> 00:24:24,984 Speaker 1: more people towards looking at the thread and it blowing up. 554 00:24:25,024 --> 00:24:26,824 Speaker 1: So it's that sort of back and forth situation. 555 00:24:27,024 --> 00:24:29,544 Speaker 3: Well, even Muma Mia, we have had to walk that 556 00:24:29,624 --> 00:24:32,104 Speaker 3: type rope as individuals at the company, but also as 557 00:24:32,144 --> 00:24:34,504 Speaker 3: the company a whole. We have been drawn into and 558 00:24:34,544 --> 00:24:36,904 Speaker 3: our name has been thrown across a lot of stories 559 00:24:36,944 --> 00:24:39,504 Speaker 3: like that, even in recent memory. How does something like 560 00:24:39,584 --> 00:24:44,304 Speaker 3: tittle differ to something that's super popular like dumoir. Where's 561 00:24:44,344 --> 00:24:44,944 Speaker 3: the line there? 562 00:24:45,184 --> 00:24:46,584 Speaker 2: I think with Dumoi, I. 563 00:24:46,584 --> 00:24:48,904 Speaker 1: Mean again, that was another thing of someone being unmasked 564 00:24:48,944 --> 00:24:50,344 Speaker 1: who was the founder of that. But I think that 565 00:24:50,424 --> 00:24:52,424 Speaker 1: still has a lot of protocols around it because that 566 00:24:52,464 --> 00:24:55,744 Speaker 1: does have a site, like dumin has advertising partners. At 567 00:24:55,744 --> 00:24:57,504 Speaker 1: the end of the day, people do know the woman 568 00:24:57,584 --> 00:25:00,184 Speaker 1: behind that. She's also like she's out there writing books, 569 00:25:00,224 --> 00:25:03,584 Speaker 1: releasing a podcast, and she's also like the person who 570 00:25:03,664 --> 00:25:06,024 Speaker 1: runs dumoin is in contact with a lot of different 571 00:25:06,064 --> 00:25:08,384 Speaker 1: celebrities and pr so I think there's a lot more 572 00:25:08,384 --> 00:25:11,704 Speaker 1: accountability there that Yes, she posts a bit of gossip 573 00:25:11,824 --> 00:25:14,464 Speaker 1: and spot it on the street, all those sorts of things, 574 00:25:14,664 --> 00:25:16,944 Speaker 1: but always with a big disclaimer of this hasn't been 575 00:25:16,984 --> 00:25:19,544 Speaker 1: fact checked, this was a sent in rumor. But I 576 00:25:19,584 --> 00:25:21,624 Speaker 1: do think that it would be much easier to hold 577 00:25:21,664 --> 00:25:24,104 Speaker 1: her to account because at the end of the day, 578 00:25:24,104 --> 00:25:27,184 Speaker 1: we know who she is, whereas these tattle threads can 579 00:25:27,344 --> 00:25:29,424 Speaker 1: just go and like you know, also the same thing 580 00:25:29,464 --> 00:25:32,424 Speaker 1: of people making anonymous accounts to post on TikTok or 581 00:25:32,424 --> 00:25:35,104 Speaker 1: Twitter or Instagram, a lot harder to hold them to 582 00:25:35,184 --> 00:25:37,704 Speaker 1: account and fact check it. And the weird thing is 583 00:25:37,624 --> 00:25:39,144 Speaker 1: is that this is one of the reasons, actually, to 584 00:25:39,184 --> 00:25:41,144 Speaker 1: be honest, why I've looked at tattle sometimes in the 585 00:25:41,144 --> 00:25:44,744 Speaker 1: past and why I've gone deep in some threads is yes, 586 00:25:44,784 --> 00:25:47,504 Speaker 1: they're horrifically mean, and some people say that they're to 587 00:25:47,584 --> 00:25:50,504 Speaker 1: hold people to account, but it's like it's an anonymous forum, 588 00:25:50,584 --> 00:25:52,184 Speaker 1: so how are you holding them to account? And the 589 00:25:52,224 --> 00:25:55,544 Speaker 1: idea is also that they shouldn't look at it. So 590 00:25:55,584 --> 00:25:58,224 Speaker 1: if you really had an issue with something an influencer 591 00:25:58,264 --> 00:26:00,904 Speaker 1: have said, like you think they've given bad health advice 592 00:26:00,984 --> 00:26:02,944 Speaker 1: or something like that, Like you could just also send 593 00:26:02,984 --> 00:26:05,264 Speaker 1: them a well crafted email and be like, hey, this 594 00:26:05,384 --> 00:26:07,744 Speaker 1: is the teacher that you can send it that way, yeah, 595 00:26:07,824 --> 00:26:10,544 Speaker 1: Or you can report to Instagram guidelines and stuff like. 596 00:26:10,584 --> 00:26:12,104 Speaker 1: There's a lot of different things. I just don't think 597 00:26:12,104 --> 00:26:14,304 Speaker 1: holding someone into account is something that's going to happen 598 00:26:14,304 --> 00:26:17,264 Speaker 1: on an anonymous thread. But what I found really fascinating, 599 00:26:17,264 --> 00:26:19,344 Speaker 1: and I think speaks to this weird place where at 600 00:26:19,384 --> 00:26:22,544 Speaker 1: the moment with internet culture and our relationship to celebrities, 601 00:26:23,024 --> 00:26:26,064 Speaker 1: is that people have formed like little communities on there, 602 00:26:26,584 --> 00:26:28,744 Speaker 1: like they'll check in with each other at the beginning 603 00:26:28,784 --> 00:26:31,184 Speaker 1: of the day when they like jump back on their thread. 604 00:26:31,624 --> 00:26:34,344 Speaker 1: They'll go back and forth, they'll like have little jokes, 605 00:26:34,464 --> 00:26:37,664 Speaker 1: they'll say good night to each other. They'll like around 606 00:26:37,784 --> 00:26:40,024 Speaker 1: Christmas time, which I think like I jumped on one year 607 00:26:40,024 --> 00:26:41,624 Speaker 1: because something was happening. I was looking at some tattle 608 00:26:41,624 --> 00:26:45,664 Speaker 1: threads that were like Merry Christmas, like fellow tattle taddlers 609 00:26:45,824 --> 00:26:48,184 Speaker 1: like oh and like oh yeah, I hope everyone had 610 00:26:48,224 --> 00:26:50,184 Speaker 1: a good New Year and stuff, which is I just 611 00:26:50,224 --> 00:26:52,664 Speaker 1: find that bizarre behavior. It's like these people are so 612 00:26:52,944 --> 00:26:56,544 Speaker 1: desperate for some sort of community and belonging, and obviously 613 00:26:56,544 --> 00:26:58,544 Speaker 1: we're all very kind of like there's a lot of 614 00:26:58,624 --> 00:27:01,304 Speaker 1: loneliness going around. People feel very othered, like you might 615 00:27:01,344 --> 00:27:04,224 Speaker 1: be working from home and stuff, and instead of going 616 00:27:04,224 --> 00:27:07,784 Speaker 1: out and like finding community somewhere else, they're finding it 617 00:27:07,864 --> 00:27:09,944 Speaker 1: in these forums with a shared kind of hatred of 618 00:27:10,584 --> 00:27:11,344 Speaker 1: online people. 619 00:27:11,504 --> 00:27:14,584 Speaker 3: Hate is not a good foundation for friendship. It is 620 00:27:14,784 --> 00:27:19,624 Speaker 3: ultimately leading you down the path to mutual assured self destruction. Eventually, 621 00:27:19,704 --> 00:27:21,624 Speaker 3: something will blow up and somebody will not agree with 622 00:27:21,664 --> 00:27:22,904 Speaker 3: somebody in one of these threads, and. 623 00:27:22,824 --> 00:27:23,904 Speaker 2: All hell will break loose. 624 00:27:23,984 --> 00:27:26,784 Speaker 1: Oh yeh yeah, exactly. No, No, I don't recommend going there 625 00:27:26,864 --> 00:27:29,464 Speaker 1: to find friends. And I also don't think that anyone 626 00:27:29,624 --> 00:27:32,384 Speaker 1: joins these threads for that reason. I think it was 627 00:27:32,424 --> 00:27:35,184 Speaker 1: just an accident of like, these people becoming very consumed 628 00:27:35,704 --> 00:27:38,904 Speaker 1: in this online world and then they just like love 629 00:27:38,944 --> 00:27:40,544 Speaker 1: the idea of like it was all of a sudden, 630 00:27:40,544 --> 00:27:42,664 Speaker 1: they're all in this group chat and maybe these are 631 00:27:42,704 --> 00:27:44,784 Speaker 1: people that don't have that in their real lives and 632 00:27:44,784 --> 00:27:47,304 Speaker 1: so they're pulling into that. But it's yes, it's pretty 633 00:27:47,304 --> 00:27:48,504 Speaker 1: messed up situation. 634 00:27:48,304 --> 00:27:48,944 Speaker 2: I feel as well. 635 00:27:48,944 --> 00:27:52,304 Speaker 3: With Tattle, the reason it's so popular is because people 636 00:27:52,424 --> 00:27:54,824 Speaker 3: keep feeding into it. People keep reading and keep visiting 637 00:27:54,864 --> 00:27:57,144 Speaker 3: the website. We're not recommending you do any of those things. 638 00:27:57,184 --> 00:27:57,864 Speaker 2: Don't I do that. 639 00:27:58,064 --> 00:28:00,104 Speaker 3: I would not want to give this man the satisfaction 640 00:28:00,184 --> 00:28:03,784 Speaker 3: after he's been unmasked of giving him the page views. 641 00:28:04,184 --> 00:28:06,824 Speaker 3: But the reason that it's so successful is because people 642 00:28:06,944 --> 00:28:10,864 Speaker 3: continue to frequent that website. These people, I feel, need 643 00:28:10,904 --> 00:28:13,184 Speaker 3: to learn how to be bored, how to go outside, 644 00:28:13,184 --> 00:28:15,544 Speaker 3: how to read more books, and stop being so invested 645 00:28:15,704 --> 00:28:18,824 Speaker 3: in fueling hate about other people's lives. And I know 646 00:28:18,864 --> 00:28:20,704 Speaker 3: that there are lots of cavits that come to that 647 00:28:20,784 --> 00:28:24,344 Speaker 3: the epidemic of loneliness that we're currently seeing, but you 648 00:28:24,384 --> 00:28:27,424 Speaker 3: are only adding fuel to that fire of your own 649 00:28:27,464 --> 00:28:31,024 Speaker 3: loneliness and your own whatever is going on inside of 650 00:28:31,064 --> 00:28:34,864 Speaker 3: you that's drawing you to this quote unquote community, and 651 00:28:34,904 --> 00:28:37,544 Speaker 3: you're doing yourself for disservice if you don't just cut 652 00:28:37,584 --> 00:28:39,344 Speaker 3: it off at the limb and go and try and 653 00:28:39,344 --> 00:28:43,104 Speaker 3: pursue something that's actually happy, if not beneficial to the world. 654 00:28:43,384 --> 00:28:45,984 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Again, we're seeing and it's mostly women. We're 655 00:28:45,984 --> 00:28:48,144 Speaker 1: seeing target in Australia too, which is a hard thing. 656 00:28:48,144 --> 00:28:51,064 Speaker 1: So we're seeing this from Indy Clinton. Both Laura Henshaw 657 00:28:51,144 --> 00:28:53,064 Speaker 1: and Steph Claire Smith, as I was saying before, have 658 00:28:53,184 --> 00:28:56,344 Speaker 1: talked about not just specifically naming tattle, but this kind 659 00:28:56,344 --> 00:28:59,904 Speaker 1: of huge push of criticism and negativity that they have 660 00:29:00,304 --> 00:29:02,664 Speaker 1: a lot of austrange influences have talked about it. Even 661 00:29:02,704 --> 00:29:06,024 Speaker 1: at Abby Chatfield the moment, who's really prominent across her 662 00:29:06,064 --> 00:29:08,344 Speaker 1: podcast and her social channels, has said that she's got 663 00:29:08,344 --> 00:29:10,144 Speaker 1: it having to take like a little break from social 664 00:29:10,184 --> 00:29:14,424 Speaker 1: just because the relentless trolling show has become so much. 665 00:29:14,504 --> 00:29:17,224 Speaker 1: So we are really seeing in a very heightened state 666 00:29:17,304 --> 00:29:20,464 Speaker 1: at the moment, particularly towards women, and it'll be interesting 667 00:29:20,504 --> 00:29:23,104 Speaker 1: to see if anything happens with Tattle from this because 668 00:29:23,384 --> 00:29:26,224 Speaker 1: there have been people who've tried to take it down before. 669 00:29:26,264 --> 00:29:27,064 Speaker 2: It hasn't worked. 670 00:29:27,344 --> 00:29:29,304 Speaker 1: At one stage, there was some sort of announcement that 671 00:29:29,344 --> 00:29:31,704 Speaker 1: title was closing, and so many I think that's actually 672 00:29:31,704 --> 00:29:33,704 Speaker 1: when I saw a lot of people post about it 673 00:29:33,744 --> 00:29:35,544 Speaker 1: for the first time, because they thought it was closing 674 00:29:35,784 --> 00:29:38,464 Speaker 1: and they were able to say, like, yes, this is ending, 675 00:29:38,504 --> 00:29:41,424 Speaker 1: and then it didn't. And so it'll be interesting to 676 00:29:41,424 --> 00:29:44,824 Speaker 1: see if the roll on from finding the person behind 677 00:29:44,864 --> 00:29:47,504 Speaker 1: it does close it down and does stop that money 678 00:29:47,584 --> 00:29:47,984 Speaker 1: coming in. 679 00:29:48,184 --> 00:29:50,184 Speaker 3: Well, and they're heading back to court at the end 680 00:29:50,224 --> 00:29:52,024 Speaker 3: of this month. I was listening to one of the 681 00:29:52,144 --> 00:29:53,904 Speaker 3: journals who broke this story and she said they were 682 00:29:53,944 --> 00:29:56,024 Speaker 3: back in court later this month. So who knows. Maybe 683 00:29:56,024 --> 00:29:59,104 Speaker 3: that is the outcome. Maybe if Tattle Life does shut down, 684 00:29:59,504 --> 00:30:02,344 Speaker 3: all these people can go outside and turn their faces 685 00:30:02,384 --> 00:30:03,384 Speaker 3: to the. 686 00:30:02,984 --> 00:30:04,704 Speaker 1: Whole thing will dissipate. Yeah, I mean, it won't end 687 00:30:04,704 --> 00:30:07,064 Speaker 1: the whole problem, but it will shut down like one 688 00:30:07,064 --> 00:30:09,864 Speaker 1: of the biggest cornerstones of this online hate. 689 00:30:09,904 --> 00:30:10,864 Speaker 2: So yeah, to be huge. 690 00:30:10,944 --> 00:30:14,264 Speaker 1: I'm hoping that happens. Well. Thank you very much for 691 00:30:14,304 --> 00:30:16,304 Speaker 1: listening to the spill today, and thank you Taylor for 692 00:30:16,384 --> 00:30:16,904 Speaker 1: joining us. 693 00:30:16,944 --> 00:30:18,544 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me back. 694 00:30:18,424 --> 00:30:21,304 Speaker 1: Talk about some fun, cheery things. No, the logis was 695 00:30:21,344 --> 00:30:23,784 Speaker 1: the best thing. That's our big takeaway. And also, don't 696 00:30:23,824 --> 00:30:26,864 Speaker 1: forget to follow The Spill on TikTok and Instagram. 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