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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 3: I'm Claire Murphy.

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Speaker 1: This is Mumma MIA's daily news podcast, The Quickie. The

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Speaker 1: Murdock's real life succession drama has been playing out in

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Speaker 1: as to who'll have the controlling vote in the family trust.

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Speaker 1: Will it be the three against two win for Lachland's siblings,

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Speaker 1: or will Rupert and his successor lockdown full control of

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Speaker 1: the media empire that has influenced conservative narratives in the

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Speaker 3: We'll get into the case.

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Speaker 1: Next, but before we do that, here's the letters from

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Speaker 1: the Quickie newsroom. Thursday, September twenty six. New data from

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Speaker 1: consumer group Choice has found the grocery prices have increased

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Speaker 1: slight changes in the cost of groceries in the June quarter.

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Speaker 1: The average basket of fourteen common household items came in

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Speaker 1: at sixty eight dollars thirty seven At Woolly's, up three

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Speaker 1: The Choice reports are funded by the federal government, who

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Speaker 1: began following the trend of grocery prices after reports from

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Speaker 1: consumers alleging price gouging by the big chain supermarkets. Almost

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Speaker 1: figures at twenty nine point three percent. That's up from

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Speaker 1: President Joe Biden says there's a possibility of all out

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Speaker 1: ABC's The View, President Biden says they're still in play

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Speaker 1: of Mormon Wive Style. Whitney Levitt has admitted her husband

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Speaker 1: Taylor Lautner on their podcast The Squeeze, Whitney says her

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Speaker 3: That's What's happening in the world today.

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Speaker 1: Next, the Murdoch media empire is on the line in

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Speaker 3: Right now who will be the true successor?

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Speaker 1: In scenes reminiscent of the wildly popular TV show Succession,

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Speaker 1: media tycoon Rupert Murdoch. The dispute revolves around Rupert's decision

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Speaker 1: me introduce you to the Murdoch family tree. Rupert, We're

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Speaker 1: She's a beneficiary of the family trust and sits on

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Speaker 1: But other than that, she's never really expressed a desire

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Speaker 3: Actually are a very close family.

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Speaker 2: I love my brothers, I love my sisters, and we're

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Speaker 1: She also says that the succession plan for when Rupert

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Speaker 2: I think we all feel as children of the founder,

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Speaker 5: But in terms of executive succession, no, yeah, that's.

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Speaker 3: Up to the board.

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Speaker 1: You might be more familiar with Lachlan Murdoch, the fifty

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Speaker 1: He's Rupert's eldest son. Now he's been groomed for many

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Speaker 1: That's despite Lachlan at one stage saying he didn't want

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Speaker 1: David Armstrong, the former editor in chief of The Australian,

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Speaker 1: told Australian Story that Lachlan has grown to be more

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Speaker 2: There's a general thing amongst serious newspapers in the nineties

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Speaker 3: Would I just ask Lachlan a question, please?

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Speaker 2: People like Lachlan become more conservative as they get older,

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Speaker 1: The younger brother, James Murdock, who is now fifty one,

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Speaker 1: News Corp and Fox News. In twenty nineteen, James made

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Speaker 1: it very clear to Vanity Fair that he also does

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Speaker 1: Seriously, everyone wants to know whether you're watching Succession.

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Speaker 1: The Murdoch media empire has its roots here in Australia.

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Speaker 1: Rupert started in the business after he inherited a small

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Speaker 1: major outlets like The Times in London, Fox News in

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Speaker 1: Rupert Murdoch finally announced his retirement from the boards of

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Speaker 1: both Fox Corporation and News Corps. This move would mark

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Speaker 1: Prime Minister Kevin Rudd had exposed that pms of the

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Speaker 1: past had had to make good with Rupert or they

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Speaker 1: company Dominion. Upon his retirement, Rupert named Lachlan as his successor.

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Speaker 1: The decision was seen as the culmination of years of

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Speaker 3: Lachlan's appointment as CEO of.

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Speaker 1: his father's vision and political leanings were likely what contributed

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Speaker 1: to his selection. Last year, when the succession speculation was

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Speaker 1: at its peak, we spoke to author and journalist Patty Manning,

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Speaker 1: who's been reporting on the Murdocks for many years and

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Speaker 1: who were next month launch a new podcast called Murdoch's

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Speaker 1: Endgame Now. He told us that the way in which

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Speaker 1: the Murdoch Trust is set up with Rupert holding four

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Speaker 1: and Lochlan combined can currently control the company with their

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Speaker 1: told us that at one stage the other three did

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Speaker 4: The siblings, who had at one point considered selling out

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Speaker 4: no longer are interested in so they are determined to

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Speaker 1: He also told us that that could lead to a

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Speaker 3: So did he, Patty.

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Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely not, Clare. It's basically been a shock because

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Speaker 4: Do you think My understanding, and I'm not a lawyer,

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Speaker 1: I think pretty much everything the Murdocks do is of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. So to understand it, you have to

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Speaker 4: So the structure that was left was a trust which

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Speaker 4: We're reliant on the Times reporting of this forty eight

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Speaker 4: Yes, she had been the peacemaker. So Lachlan and James

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Speaker 4: what wasn't really appreciated was what position the sisters would take.

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Speaker 1: Just finally, Patty, what would the wash up be if,

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Speaker 3: Does that change really.

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Speaker 4: Well not while Rupert is alive, and so then there

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Speaker 4: So he's trying to effectively control his empire from the grave,

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Speaker 1: So now we wait both to see what the outcome

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Speaker 3: And goggle boxes.

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Speaker 1: Sarah Marie Fard, who you might not know is also

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Speaker 1: a makeup artist, has joined the team to unpack what's

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Speaker 1: in the makeup bags of some of the industry's most

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Speaker 1: well known creators. Go check it out wherever you get

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Speaker 1: your podcasts. The Quickie is produced by me Claire Murphy

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Speaker 1: and our senior producer Taylor Strano, with audio production by

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