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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mea podcast. Hey, I'm Taylor Strano.

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Speaker 1: This is Mummy's twice daily news podcast, The Quickie. Hello

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Speaker 1: anyone there? I think our office got Sally is totally

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Speaker 1: that's better. Where was I? There's something about Halloween or

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Speaker 1: Hallo's Eve also known as clam of his birthday that

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Speaker 1: sends a little shiver up my spine. So why are

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Speaker 1: so many of us tickled by things that go bump

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Speaker 1: in the night. Maybe if we uncover the truth about

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Speaker 1: Mummama's own office ghost, I can finally get to the

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Speaker 1: bottom of everyone's obsession with the spooky and spiritual before

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Speaker 1: we go full ghostbusters. Here's Tarlie Blackman with the latest

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Speaker 1: from the Quickie newsroom for Friday, October thirty one.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Taylor, Donald Trump's call for the US to resume

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Speaker 2: nuclear testing global alarm and a strong warning from Russia,

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Speaker 2: which vowed to act accordingly if any tests go wrong.

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Speaker 2: The US has not detonated a nuclear device in decades,

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Speaker 2: and analysts warned that restarting such tests could inflame tensions reminiscent.

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Speaker 3: Of the Cold War.

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Speaker 2: The White House also announced plans to slash refugee admissions

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Speaker 2: by ninety four percent next year, with most spots reportedly

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Speaker 2: reserved for white South Africans, a decision condemned by rights

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Speaker 2: groups and political opponents alike. During his recent Asia trip,

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Speaker 2: Trump met with China's president Shing Jingping, where the two

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Speaker 2: leaders agreed to reduce certain tariffs and expand US access

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Speaker 2: to rare earth minerals. However, the president's nuclear comments quickly

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Speaker 2: overshadowed any diplomatic progress. Afghanistan and Pakistan have restouted peace

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Speaker 2: talks in Istanbul mediated by Turkey and Katar, in an

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Speaker 2: effort to prevent renewed border clashes that have killed dozens

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Speaker 2: this month. A Pakistani security officials said Islamabad will demand

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Speaker 2: the Afghan Taliban take action against militants using Afghan territory

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Speaker 2: to launch attacks inside Pakistan. Sources closer the negotiations said

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Speaker 2: most issues have been resolved, but some of Pakistan's requests

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Speaker 2: need extra time. Kabul denies harboring the Pakistani Taliban, insisting

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Speaker 2: it cannot control the group. Afghan Interior Minister Sira Judan

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Speaker 2: Hakkhani urged Pakistan to address its own security problems, wanting

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Speaker 2: that escalating tensions would cost them dearly. He said Afghanistan

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Speaker 2: seeks peaceful relations but will defend itself if attacked. The

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Speaker 2: renewed talks followed deadly October clashes after Pakistani air strikes

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Speaker 2: and Taliban retaliation along the twenty six hundred kilometer border.

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Speaker 2: Both sides remain under pressure to maintain the fragile ceasefire.

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Speaker 2: Australia's gender pay gap widened sharply as women age, peaking

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Speaker 2: in their fifties and leaving them more than a million

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Speaker 2: dollars behind men over their careers, according to new data

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Speaker 2: from the Workplace Gender Equality Agency. The Ages and Wages

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Speaker 2: Report found women in their late teens owns slightly more

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Speaker 2: than men, but the gap reverses by the early twenties

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Speaker 2: and climbs to a peak of thirty one point four

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Speaker 2: percent between ages fifty five and fifty nine, a difference

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Speaker 2: WGEACEO Mary Wooldridge said the gap accelerates around age thirty,

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Speaker 2: driven by limited part time management roles and bonus systems

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Speaker 2: favoring men. She urged employees to act, saying targeted interventions

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Speaker 2: could change the story and improve fairness, flexibility, and retirement

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Speaker 2: security for both women and men. Actor Jesse Eisenberg has

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Speaker 2: revealed he will donate one of his kidneys to a

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Speaker 2: stranger in what he calls an altruistic active giving, undergoing

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Speaker 2: the procedure in mid December. I'm actually donating my kidney

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Speaker 2: in six weeks, he told Today. I got bitten by

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Speaker 2: the blood donation bug. It's a no brainer. An altruistic

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Speaker 2: donut does not know personally. Eisenberg said he first explored

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Speaker 2: the idea a decade ago, but only recently began the process.

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Speaker 2: With around ninety thousand Americans currently awaiting kidney transplants, Eisenberg

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Speaker 2: hopes his decision will inspire others to continue augan donation.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Charlie, Next, who you gonna call me? It's me Sorry.

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Speaker 1: Before the costumes, overpriced themed cocktails, and adorable neighborhood trigger treats,

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Speaker 1: Halloween's roots actually run pretty deep. It all goes back

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Speaker 1: to the Celtic festival called sam Hein, which celebrated the

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Speaker 1: that on the night of October thirty first, the line

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Speaker 1: Over time, those traditions blended with Christian celebrations like All

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Speaker 1: complete with costumes, candy, and carved out pumpkins. So, working

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Speaker 1: the appropriate time to lock in and uncover the truth

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Speaker 1: about a certain spirit lingering around the Mummamea team. And

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Speaker 1: while we're at it, I'd like to know just why

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Speaker 1: so many of us are so obsessed with the other worldly.

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Speaker 1: More on that soon. It's been well documented. Earlier this year,

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Speaker 1: Mummamea moved office and in the process inherited a ghost.

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Speaker 4: We thought we would do the next installment of our

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Speaker 4: documentary called Hunting Sally the Ghost, and there have been

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Speaker 4: the scenes in the haunted house aka the Office, and

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Speaker 4: just show you what Sally's been up to don't you

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Speaker 4: think there's a feeling here?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: You know, the law around ghost Sally runs deep. Just

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Speaker 1: about everyone in the office has a tale to tell.

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Speaker 1: From the lights powering down at precisely three point fifty

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Speaker 1: Everyone here seems to have a story about our gal

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Speaker 1: sal In the spirit of Halloween, I've assembled a crack

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Speaker 1: team to help me uncover the truth about Sally, or

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Speaker 1: kind of like the spooky Avengers. First up, our office manager, Catherine.

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Speaker 5: I set up the office before anybody else was in here.

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Speaker 5: A lot of days I was by myself, and I

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Speaker 5: started to notice some really weird things. For example, one

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Speaker 5: times and you can't really work out what it is.

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Speaker 5: You try to put it down to, oh, it's a

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Speaker 5: fridge cooling down, but it's only that one fridge and

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Speaker 5: then started shutting down after we had put everything together,

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Speaker 5: and I did freak out. I thought it may have

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Speaker 5: been a bug, and there was no bug.

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Speaker 1: Also our newsreader Talie, who claims to have Sally's life story.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so this is what I know about Sally. Sally

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Speaker 2: was a workaholic. She worked in our office, and she

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Speaker 2: was here every day. She was the first one into

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Speaker 2: was always around. Okay, and then Sally died, unfortunately, and

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Speaker 2: now she haunts this office. Her soul is stuck in

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Speaker 2: this office because she was such a workaholic, and that's

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Speaker 2: why she's always pranking us by switching the lights on

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Speaker 2: and off. We love Sally, She's just a workaholic, aren't

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Speaker 2: we all in the mom and mea office, we can

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Speaker 2: all relate to Sally. She's just waiting for her knockoff

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Speaker 2: time that will never come.

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Speaker 1: The Spill host Laura Brodnick is currently being haunted in

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Speaker 6: So I got home from a trip, very very late,

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Speaker 6: was completely locked up. I opened the door and I

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Speaker 6: it's kind of a weird presence and I do believe

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Speaker 1: Eerie coincidences and theories aside. What does Sally even want?

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Speaker 1: Should we be worried about her? It's time to bring

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Speaker 1: paranormal activity. Journalist James Jennings and psychic medium Katerina Legato

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Speaker 1: hosts the Australian Ghost Whisperer podcast. James, what do ghost

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Speaker 1: whisperers actually do well?

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Speaker 7: In the case of Katerina, who is the ghost whisperer,

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Speaker 7: she communicates with spirits so she can see them, talk

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Speaker 7: to them, sense them, and if they're hanging around somewhere

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Speaker 7: So that's probably the key roles of a ghost whisperer. Okay,

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Speaker 7: haunted houses can get clear to spirits in a jiffy

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Speaker 7: with someone like Katerina.

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Speaker 1: I love that. That's the slogan and favor heard one now, Katerina,

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Speaker 1: I've got some very very nervous women in our office. Today.

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Speaker 1: I'm feeling you both in now on the fly. But essentially,

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Speaker 1: we moved into a brand new office here at Mamma

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Speaker 1: are convinced that we've inherited a ghost in the building. Now, Katerina,

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Speaker 1: I want to get your opinion, like, what should we

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Speaker 1: do here? How do we do this? Do you just

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Speaker 1: remotely dial in? Do you need me to give you

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Speaker 3: No? No, I'm sensing there's a male energy around around

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Speaker 3: you in that office space that you're in right now, interest,

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Speaker 3: And it feels like he's just roaming around. He feels

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Speaker 3: like someone he used to I'm just seeing him he

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Speaker 3: used to live in the streets, the poor man, because

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Speaker 3: I'm seeing him dressed in like really sort of dirty

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Speaker 3: because he knows I can see. And it's like he's

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Speaker 1: Interesting, Can I tell you, ken A, Rena, There's been

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Speaker 1: a running theory here amongst the stuff of who our

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Speaker 1: should leave the professional take to you, And it could be.

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Speaker 3: More than one. He is the strongest energy that I

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Speaker 3: am sensing coming through. But you probably do have more

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Speaker 3: once you have one spirit coming in, generally they will

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Speaker 3: forth and allow many more to come in. But there's

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Speaker 3: always a stronger spirit that will make themselves knowne. So

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Speaker 3: it doesn't rule out the there is a woman or

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Speaker 3: many would.

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Speaker 1: Look, we don't often get men in here at Muma

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Speaker 1: Mea James, You're one of not many in the office.

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Speaker 7: And I feel blessed.

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Speaker 1: I would love to get your take on this. So

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Speaker 1: we're sitting in one of the podcast studios right now.

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Speaker 1: I had to fight tooth and nail to get into

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Speaker 1: this room because apparently this room garners more energy from

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Speaker 1: one of our spirit friends. Are you picking up on anything?

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Speaker 1: I know that this is Katerina's domain, but you two

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Speaker 1: have worked together for such a long time.

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Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, yeah, sure, Look I do pick up on things.

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Speaker 7: I would say I would need some quiet time in here.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I guess I stepped in and there's bright

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Speaker 7: when everything's quiet, that's when you can get a sense

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Speaker 7: if things are a bit of miss Often you will

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Speaker 7: feel like you're being watched, or it can be sometimes

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Speaker 7: manifest as physical things like stuff might move. I've got

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Speaker 7: a friend at the moment who's living somewhere with a ghost,

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Speaker 7: and she said that what's happening is it's setting off

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Speaker 7: the fire alarm every night. It's turning on taps, like

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Speaker 7: turning on lights, which is and she's like, James, this

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Speaker 7: has never happened.

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Speaker 3: What's going on.

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Speaker 7: I'm like, yeah, this is what they do. If they

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Speaker 7: want your attention, they'll find a way.

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Speaker 1: When does it go from playful to maybe something we

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Speaker 7: That's pretty full on. Yeah, the toilet lock thing is

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm so glad you bring that up, because we

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Speaker 3: It's a difficult one. You could ask them to look

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Speaker 1: Can you give us any indication on what this person

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Speaker 3: Generally, a spirit will be in an environment because a

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Speaker 1: Sally is more of a Salvatore. We'd be so wrong.

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Speaker 3: In his reality. He's still bring them the beer, and

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Speaker 1: Sounds like Salvatore is landing himself in Hhrle's office, and

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Speaker 7: Well, there's a couple of, probably you know, obvious answers

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Speaker 1: I also imagine there's like a thing of closure, right

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, And I know plenty of people who and Kaa

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Speaker 1: Okay, so it sounds like Salvatore is here for a

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Speaker 3: Can do that, But obviously, if it really becomes an

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Speaker 1: And what about the other female spirits? Because we were

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Speaker 7: The never ending shopping trip sounds like hell. It's probably

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Speaker 7: It has beneficial properties, but it's not like an instant

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Speaker 1: Basically, maybe we can have the pair of you back

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Speaker 7: Absolutely. I mean, if you guys are ready to finally

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Speaker 1: So there you have it, our gal sal might actually

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Speaker 1: be Salvatore. Thanks for taking some time to feed your

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Speaker 1: mind with us today. The quickie is produced by me

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Speaker 1: Taylor Strano, Alario Brophi, and Tarlie Blackman, with audio production

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Speaker 1: by Lou Hill. Muma Mea acknowledges the traditional owners of

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