1 00:00:11,424 --> 00:00:16,024 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges 2 00:00:16,144 --> 00:00:19,624 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and borders that this podcast 3 00:00:19,704 --> 00:00:27,464 Speaker 1: is recorded on From Mamma Mia. Welcome to this Spill, 4 00:00:27,544 --> 00:00:30,664 Speaker 1: your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Broadneck. 5 00:00:30,304 --> 00:00:31,304 Speaker 2: And I'm m Burnham. 6 00:00:31,304 --> 00:00:33,384 Speaker 1: So happy to be back in your ears after to 7 00:00:33,424 --> 00:00:40,304 Speaker 1: say a while weekend on my part watching wile weekend. 8 00:00:40,344 --> 00:00:43,464 Speaker 3: You're like in my Instagram, dms and text messages telling 9 00:00:43,464 --> 00:00:46,264 Speaker 3: me I'm like offender that I'm finding this out for 10 00:00:46,304 --> 00:00:46,784 Speaker 3: the first time. 11 00:00:46,824 --> 00:00:48,144 Speaker 1: Did you not have a wild weekend? 12 00:00:48,304 --> 00:00:49,464 Speaker 2: I did, very refreshed. 13 00:00:49,664 --> 00:00:51,624 Speaker 3: I didn't have a wild weekend. I was a bit 14 00:00:51,664 --> 00:00:53,384 Speaker 3: of a sporty girl. I watched the A F L 15 00:00:53,544 --> 00:00:56,944 Speaker 3: BOTHA on the weekend. So I'm the friend in my 16 00:00:57,064 --> 00:01:00,144 Speaker 3: group that has the TV. So ever comes to my 17 00:01:00,264 --> 00:01:00,904 Speaker 3: house for the. 18 00:01:00,864 --> 00:01:02,984 Speaker 1: TV a new addition to your home, new audition. 19 00:01:03,184 --> 00:01:05,904 Speaker 3: And then I was talking to actually our friend when 20 00:01:05,944 --> 00:01:08,464 Speaker 3: who's also any journalist, and she's like, how have you 21 00:01:08,544 --> 00:01:10,944 Speaker 3: only just got a TV? Like your entire job involves 22 00:01:10,984 --> 00:01:11,664 Speaker 3: you watching things. 23 00:01:12,904 --> 00:01:14,744 Speaker 1: When we started a spill, I didn't have a TV. 24 00:01:14,824 --> 00:01:17,064 Speaker 1: I Elegen Sidney for five years at a TV because 25 00:01:17,104 --> 00:01:19,624 Speaker 1: when it's your job. I did worry that it would 26 00:01:19,624 --> 00:01:22,784 Speaker 1: become all consuming, like watching TV for work and at home, 27 00:01:22,824 --> 00:01:24,304 Speaker 1: so I was like, I'm not having a TV. I 28 00:01:24,344 --> 00:01:26,544 Speaker 1: watched everything on my laptop, and then eventually when I 29 00:01:26,544 --> 00:01:28,424 Speaker 1: moved into my new apartment, I just caved and got 30 00:01:28,424 --> 00:01:30,424 Speaker 1: a TV. And it's so nice changed. 31 00:01:30,424 --> 00:01:32,104 Speaker 2: I don't even remember my life before TV. 32 00:01:32,504 --> 00:01:33,504 Speaker 1: Two girls with TV and. 33 00:01:33,584 --> 00:01:35,424 Speaker 3: Got my po little laptop was teating up every single 34 00:01:35,424 --> 00:01:36,624 Speaker 3: time I'm about to take off. 35 00:01:37,184 --> 00:01:39,104 Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad we had a nice little intro because 36 00:01:39,184 --> 00:01:40,264 Speaker 1: I feel like we're going to have a bit of 37 00:01:40,264 --> 00:01:42,224 Speaker 1: a throw down as we get into the episode, because 38 00:01:42,224 --> 00:01:45,144 Speaker 1: coming up today, we have some juicy and some also 39 00:01:45,264 --> 00:01:47,944 Speaker 1: very serious news that came out of the Venice Film 40 00:01:47,984 --> 00:01:51,544 Speaker 1: Festival over the weekend, and also Taylor Swift and Travis Kelcey. 41 00:01:51,704 --> 00:01:54,824 Speaker 1: There are some conspiracy theories and there's some backlash, there's 42 00:01:54,824 --> 00:01:58,584 Speaker 1: some intrigue. You and I have very different opinions on 43 00:01:58,824 --> 00:02:00,504 Speaker 1: what's happening. So we're getting into that. 44 00:02:00,704 --> 00:02:04,184 Speaker 3: But first, artist and rapper Kendrick Lamar has announced that 45 00:02:04,264 --> 00:02:07,904 Speaker 3: he will be headlining this year's Super Bowl halftime show. 46 00:02:08,384 --> 00:02:13,264 Speaker 2: WHOA, that's my indication. I produced to insert clapping, inst cheering. 47 00:02:13,984 --> 00:02:15,784 Speaker 2: So you and I watched this together. He had actually 48 00:02:15,784 --> 00:02:19,064 Speaker 2: performed at the Super Bowl recently. Two years ago. He 49 00:02:19,144 --> 00:02:25,224 Speaker 2: performed with Doctor Dre. You want to know with this. 50 00:02:25,304 --> 00:02:29,984 Speaker 1: Seal guy say left can't find the change? 51 00:02:29,984 --> 00:02:30,744 Speaker 2: Its sounds like claps. 52 00:02:37,704 --> 00:02:39,704 Speaker 1: Okay. So when I heard that Kendrick was going to 53 00:02:39,704 --> 00:02:41,504 Speaker 1: be the halftime show today, I had a moment of 54 00:02:41,504 --> 00:02:44,384 Speaker 1: disappointment because, like I do like him, but it didn't 55 00:02:44,384 --> 00:02:47,784 Speaker 1: seem enough. And then I realized why because my personal 56 00:02:48,264 --> 00:02:51,304 Speaker 1: favorite halftime show of all time, as in it doesn't 57 00:02:51,304 --> 00:02:54,264 Speaker 1: get any better, is the year that Kendrick performed with 58 00:02:54,384 --> 00:02:57,264 Speaker 1: Eminem with Doctor Dre, Snoop Dogg, Mary J. Blige. Like 59 00:02:57,384 --> 00:03:01,104 Speaker 1: that to me was ultimate best halftime show ever. And 60 00:03:01,224 --> 00:03:02,904 Speaker 1: I know the guy is great, even though he's had 61 00:03:02,904 --> 00:03:04,704 Speaker 1: a lot of he's probably been a bit distracted with 62 00:03:04,744 --> 00:03:07,024 Speaker 1: all his beef with Drake this year. I wonder if 63 00:03:07,024 --> 00:03:10,344 Speaker 1: that will play in that it just doesn't seem excite 64 00:03:10,344 --> 00:03:11,744 Speaker 1: adding for him to be by himself. 65 00:03:12,024 --> 00:03:14,024 Speaker 3: I think it's going to be. So he is one 66 00:03:14,024 --> 00:03:15,624 Speaker 3: of my but I am biased because he is one 67 00:03:15,624 --> 00:03:18,064 Speaker 3: of my favorite artists. He's always in my Spotify rap. 68 00:03:18,384 --> 00:03:21,384 Speaker 3: I do think it's interesting because this announcement has been 69 00:03:21,424 --> 00:03:25,104 Speaker 3: a bit contentious, especially with Drake's fan base, so if 70 00:03:25,104 --> 00:03:27,424 Speaker 3: you don't know, as LB mentioned, they have had a 71 00:03:27,424 --> 00:03:30,584 Speaker 3: pretty public feud recently. It's still going on. A lot 72 00:03:30,624 --> 00:03:33,184 Speaker 3: of people think that Kendrick has won because he's done 73 00:03:33,264 --> 00:03:35,264 Speaker 3: like a lot of just tracks. We did do a 74 00:03:35,304 --> 00:03:37,144 Speaker 3: massive episode on it, which we will link in our show. 75 00:03:38,744 --> 00:03:41,584 Speaker 3: It is, but everyone's saying that his announcement at the 76 00:03:41,584 --> 00:03:44,224 Speaker 3: super Bowl, and everyone like, firstly, just asking him to 77 00:03:44,264 --> 00:03:46,424 Speaker 3: perform at the super Bowl is like the final nail 78 00:03:46,504 --> 00:03:47,424 Speaker 3: in Drake's coffin. 79 00:03:48,784 --> 00:03:51,504 Speaker 1: I would believe that also, again not to rain on 80 00:03:51,584 --> 00:03:54,704 Speaker 1: Kendrick's parade, but I also just don't think it's quite 81 00:03:54,784 --> 00:03:57,544 Speaker 1: right that he's getting a solo show and Jennifer Lopez, 82 00:03:57,544 --> 00:03:59,544 Speaker 1: who's already had a rough year and Shakira had to 83 00:03:59,544 --> 00:04:01,624 Speaker 1: share that's also on the matter. But I'll go into 84 00:04:01,624 --> 00:04:02,424 Speaker 1: it with open eyes. 85 00:04:02,544 --> 00:04:04,384 Speaker 2: I think it'll be good. I'm gonna make you watch 86 00:04:04,384 --> 00:04:05,984 Speaker 2: it with me. I mean we will watch it anyway. 87 00:04:06,104 --> 00:04:09,424 Speaker 3: Yes, But oh, I love him so much and he 88 00:04:09,464 --> 00:04:12,544 Speaker 3: has a lot of great connection in the industry, so 89 00:04:12,584 --> 00:04:14,864 Speaker 3: I think he could pull unless he doesn't Reanna. 90 00:04:14,624 --> 00:04:15,664 Speaker 2: And does it this is my show. 91 00:04:15,744 --> 00:04:16,344 Speaker 1: This is my show. 92 00:04:16,504 --> 00:04:18,144 Speaker 2: It's Kendrick Market's concept. 93 00:04:20,264 --> 00:04:22,104 Speaker 1: So a lot of news out of the very fancy 94 00:04:22,224 --> 00:04:25,664 Speaker 1: Venice Film Festival coming out over the weekend this particular year, 95 00:04:25,704 --> 00:04:27,544 Speaker 1: I feel like as much as like it's been interesting 96 00:04:27,544 --> 00:04:29,944 Speaker 1: to see all of these high profile films being shown 97 00:04:29,984 --> 00:04:31,824 Speaker 1: to an audience for the first time in the reviews, 98 00:04:32,224 --> 00:04:34,624 Speaker 1: but the more scandalous side of my soul, like the 99 00:04:34,664 --> 00:04:37,424 Speaker 1: lower version, is also loving all of the wild celebrity 100 00:04:37,424 --> 00:04:39,624 Speaker 1: news that's come out of it. So we obviously covered 101 00:04:39,624 --> 00:04:42,944 Speaker 1: the Angelina stuff about her standing ovation, her being there 102 00:04:42,944 --> 00:04:44,024 Speaker 1: before bradon and leaving. 103 00:04:44,104 --> 00:04:46,224 Speaker 3: It feels like after the Angelina stuff has just gone 104 00:04:46,304 --> 00:04:47,904 Speaker 3: crazy and I can't keep up. 105 00:04:47,984 --> 00:04:49,664 Speaker 1: Like a lot has happened after that. It's been like 106 00:04:49,704 --> 00:04:51,544 Speaker 1: a full roll out of events and Brad Pitt being 107 00:04:51,584 --> 00:04:53,784 Speaker 1: there with his new girlfriend all that's happening. But over 108 00:04:53,824 --> 00:04:55,824 Speaker 1: the weekend we had a few more news stories. The 109 00:04:55,824 --> 00:04:58,744 Speaker 1: first is quite a sad one. So Nicole Kinman was 110 00:04:58,744 --> 00:05:01,184 Speaker 1: at the Venice Film Festival for the premiere of her 111 00:05:01,184 --> 00:05:04,144 Speaker 1: film Baby Girl, which has been so much chat around 112 00:05:04,144 --> 00:05:06,504 Speaker 1: that people saying like, I can't believe she went this 113 00:05:06,584 --> 00:05:09,984 Speaker 1: far and film she's so bold. She's so intense in 114 00:05:09,984 --> 00:05:12,704 Speaker 1: this movie, and the audience seeing it had this huge 115 00:05:12,744 --> 00:05:14,704 Speaker 1: reaction to it of like, I think it's only one 116 00:05:14,664 --> 00:05:17,224 Speaker 1: of those movies that comes down and everyone's talking about 117 00:05:17,224 --> 00:05:19,504 Speaker 1: how wild it isn't interesting all that sort of stuff. 118 00:05:19,384 --> 00:05:21,024 Speaker 2: And Jelena's got some competition for that. 119 00:05:21,304 --> 00:05:22,744 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. I don't know if this is going to 120 00:05:22,744 --> 00:05:24,264 Speaker 1: be an Oscar movie. I want to say, got it. 121 00:05:24,424 --> 00:05:27,384 Speaker 1: You know, Nicole Kibban sometimes chooses really wild roles. I 122 00:05:27,464 --> 00:05:28,224 Speaker 1: think it's one of those. 123 00:05:28,344 --> 00:05:31,544 Speaker 3: Oh so like Jennifer Lawrence kind of segue into comedy, 124 00:05:31,744 --> 00:05:32,264 Speaker 3: not so much that. 125 00:05:32,264 --> 00:05:34,584 Speaker 1: I'm more like psychological horror. So I'll just trust you 126 00:05:34,624 --> 00:05:36,224 Speaker 1: on this. Yeah, yeah, don't worry, we'll go to see it. 127 00:05:36,224 --> 00:05:37,464 Speaker 1: We'll go to see then we'll give you guys a 128 00:05:37,544 --> 00:05:40,024 Speaker 1: better review. So she ended up winning Best Actress for 129 00:05:40,064 --> 00:05:43,304 Speaker 1: Baby Girl, which was very exciting, but she didn't appear 130 00:05:43,344 --> 00:05:46,144 Speaker 1: on stage, and the director of the movie came out 131 00:05:46,224 --> 00:05:48,544 Speaker 1: and read a letter on her behalf and in it 132 00:05:48,584 --> 00:05:50,544 Speaker 1: she said that she had had to leave the festival 133 00:05:50,624 --> 00:05:53,144 Speaker 1: very unexpectedly because she had just found out that her 134 00:05:53,464 --> 00:05:55,864 Speaker 1: these are her words, her beautiful brave mother. Janelle and 135 00:05:56,064 --> 00:05:58,984 Speaker 1: Kidman had just passed away, and so she said she 136 00:05:59,024 --> 00:06:01,704 Speaker 1: had to return home to Australia and be with her family. 137 00:06:02,104 --> 00:06:03,664 Speaker 1: But she, you know, she was still sort of talking 138 00:06:03,664 --> 00:06:05,784 Speaker 1: about how grateful she was for the award, how grateful 139 00:06:05,824 --> 00:06:08,344 Speaker 1: for her team being there on stage and accepting this 140 00:06:08,384 --> 00:06:11,344 Speaker 1: award for her, and she said of her mother, she said, 141 00:06:11,384 --> 00:06:13,424 Speaker 1: this is for her. She shaped me, she guided me, 142 00:06:13,544 --> 00:06:16,184 Speaker 1: she made me, which I just thought was really beautiful. 143 00:06:16,224 --> 00:06:18,344 Speaker 1: And she ended her statement by saying, this collision of 144 00:06:18,384 --> 00:06:20,944 Speaker 1: life and art is heartbreaking, and my heart is broken. 145 00:06:21,544 --> 00:06:23,424 Speaker 1: So I thought that was really beautiful for that statement 146 00:06:23,464 --> 00:06:24,784 Speaker 1: to be out there. But just kind of a really 147 00:06:24,824 --> 00:06:27,184 Speaker 1: sad end to that story around the movie and for 148 00:06:27,264 --> 00:06:27,784 Speaker 1: her family. 149 00:06:27,904 --> 00:06:30,664 Speaker 3: And it's kind of like proof on how like celebrities 150 00:06:30,744 --> 00:06:34,264 Speaker 3: have to give more than just their work to the public. Yeah, 151 00:06:34,344 --> 00:06:36,544 Speaker 3: Like for us, like if something tragic happens in the family, 152 00:06:36,544 --> 00:06:39,024 Speaker 3: we can just drop everything and leave. Yeah, but for celebrities, 153 00:06:39,064 --> 00:06:41,184 Speaker 3: it's always like a reason why. And I'm like that 154 00:06:41,384 --> 00:06:43,544 Speaker 3: just sucks. But like she did it so gracefully and 155 00:06:43,584 --> 00:06:46,024 Speaker 3: so beautifully. But yeah, really sad news. 156 00:06:46,144 --> 00:06:49,584 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, Well, onto something that wasn't very graceful. I mean, well, 157 00:06:49,784 --> 00:06:52,384 Speaker 1: first of all, the red carpet look was graceful. So 158 00:06:52,384 --> 00:06:54,304 Speaker 1: I'm talking about The Joker, which was the other big 159 00:06:54,384 --> 00:06:55,744 Speaker 1: and know how The Joker two is coming out. I'm 160 00:06:55,784 --> 00:06:58,184 Speaker 1: not gonna say, but Lady Gaga, yes, it's so waking. 161 00:06:58,224 --> 00:07:01,464 Speaker 1: Phoenix did the original Joker movie and this is the sequel, 162 00:07:01,464 --> 00:07:04,184 Speaker 1: and Lady Gaga is playing Harley Quinn. But it's obviously 163 00:07:04,184 --> 00:07:06,664 Speaker 1: a much darker than like the Margo Robine DC kind 164 00:07:06,664 --> 00:07:08,344 Speaker 1: of version. I'm not gonna say the full name of 165 00:07:08,344 --> 00:07:10,144 Speaker 1: the movie because I get backlash from the spillers every 166 00:07:10,144 --> 00:07:12,784 Speaker 1: time I say it that I can't pronounce the name 167 00:07:12,824 --> 00:07:14,624 Speaker 1: of the movie. So we'll just call it Joker too. 168 00:07:15,264 --> 00:07:16,304 Speaker 2: Why you can't say Joker? 169 00:07:16,344 --> 00:07:20,624 Speaker 1: What's I no know? It's got a French name. Oh no, 170 00:07:21,304 --> 00:07:26,184 Speaker 1: Well we'll leave it at that. So Lady Gaga and 171 00:07:26,304 --> 00:07:29,704 Speaker 1: Joaquin Phoenix were at Venice promoting the film. It was 172 00:07:29,704 --> 00:07:32,064 Speaker 1: a big deal because they'd been so much lead up 173 00:07:32,104 --> 00:07:34,264 Speaker 1: to this sequel and the two of them together and 174 00:07:34,304 --> 00:07:36,704 Speaker 1: people like, is it a musical? Is it like going 175 00:07:36,744 --> 00:07:38,864 Speaker 1: to be a dark drama? Is it a comedy? Like? 176 00:07:38,984 --> 00:07:41,064 Speaker 1: Is it going to be so intense that people can't 177 00:07:41,104 --> 00:07:43,344 Speaker 1: watch it? First of all, Lady Gaga came in like 178 00:07:43,384 --> 00:07:46,064 Speaker 1: this big, opulent black gown with this big mask, and 179 00:07:46,104 --> 00:07:48,144 Speaker 1: she was also walking down there. You know how she 180 00:07:48,224 --> 00:07:51,144 Speaker 1: accidentally let it slip at the Olympics that she was engaged, 181 00:07:51,184 --> 00:07:54,104 Speaker 1: yes to the president. Yes, not engaged to the president. 182 00:07:56,104 --> 00:07:57,264 Speaker 1: I mean, but water pot twist. 183 00:07:57,344 --> 00:07:58,664 Speaker 2: That's would have been amazing. 184 00:07:58,824 --> 00:08:01,264 Speaker 1: She let it slip to the President of France that 185 00:08:01,344 --> 00:08:03,904 Speaker 1: she was engaged to Michael Polanski and they walked the 186 00:08:03,944 --> 00:08:05,784 Speaker 1: red carpet together, hugging, and she had her ring out, 187 00:08:05,784 --> 00:08:09,264 Speaker 1: so it's all out there now. And also Woaquin Phoenix 188 00:08:09,344 --> 00:08:11,064 Speaker 1: was there and he had a bit of an awkward 189 00:08:11,104 --> 00:08:12,504 Speaker 1: time because I don't know if you're across this the 190 00:08:12,544 --> 00:08:15,904 Speaker 1: movie he just dropped out of no. So he was 191 00:08:15,984 --> 00:08:18,464 Speaker 1: meant to be in this. Todd Haynes, who's like, you know, 192 00:08:18,464 --> 00:08:20,344 Speaker 1: a really well known director, and they worked together before 193 00:08:20,784 --> 00:08:23,624 Speaker 1: Untitled gave Romance film is how they were talking about 194 00:08:23,664 --> 00:08:25,704 Speaker 1: it. It was going to be this kind of huge, big 195 00:08:25,744 --> 00:08:29,264 Speaker 1: creative swing and apparently Joaquin Phoenix had found this script 196 00:08:29,464 --> 00:08:31,984 Speaker 1: brought it to Todd Haynes got the whole movie set 197 00:08:32,064 --> 00:08:34,904 Speaker 1: up like all this independent financing, which is why he's 198 00:08:34,944 --> 00:08:37,624 Speaker 1: looking so like buff and stuff on the red carpet 199 00:08:37,624 --> 00:08:39,464 Speaker 1: for Venice because he'd got his body ready for this 200 00:08:39,504 --> 00:08:40,824 Speaker 1: movie because he's going to be all of these like 201 00:08:41,184 --> 00:08:44,824 Speaker 1: full frontal nude, wild sex scenes. And then five days 202 00:08:44,824 --> 00:08:47,024 Speaker 1: where they're about to shoot, so like everyone's on set 203 00:08:47,144 --> 00:08:49,944 Speaker 1: ready to go woaquing in Phoenix pulls out no explanation, 204 00:08:50,544 --> 00:08:52,624 Speaker 1: and so now the whole movie is just like shut 205 00:08:52,664 --> 00:08:56,504 Speaker 1: down everyone. People are out of work. The head. Yeah, 206 00:08:56,584 --> 00:08:58,464 Speaker 1: some of the producers have been putting out like statements 207 00:08:58,464 --> 00:09:01,424 Speaker 1: on their Facebook pages being like, we can't believe this happened, 208 00:09:01,424 --> 00:09:03,184 Speaker 1: all this sort of stuff, And so there was a 209 00:09:03,224 --> 00:09:05,304 Speaker 1: lot of build up to Joaquin being at Venice because 210 00:09:05,304 --> 00:09:07,264 Speaker 1: it's the first time he'd have to talk about it publicly, 211 00:09:07,824 --> 00:09:10,144 Speaker 1: and he just said when he was asked about it, oh, 212 00:09:10,384 --> 00:09:11,864 Speaker 1: I don't think I should say anything because then you're 213 00:09:11,864 --> 00:09:13,704 Speaker 1: only getting my side of the story and not everyone 214 00:09:13,704 --> 00:09:15,944 Speaker 1: else's side of the story. I was like, they've all 215 00:09:15,984 --> 00:09:17,704 Speaker 1: said that you got down ruin. 216 00:09:18,504 --> 00:09:20,424 Speaker 2: Yeah, we've heard what they're saying. 217 00:09:20,464 --> 00:09:23,224 Speaker 1: It's not good, so already they're going a bit wild. 218 00:09:23,344 --> 00:09:26,584 Speaker 1: And then the reviews for Joker came out, Oh no, 219 00:09:26,704 --> 00:09:30,424 Speaker 1: abs did not sound good, absolutely skating. So the New 220 00:09:30,504 --> 00:09:32,904 Speaker 1: York Times is something like there's no humor here, there's 221 00:09:32,944 --> 00:09:36,144 Speaker 1: no joke, Like they're headlines skating other magazin. 222 00:09:36,144 --> 00:09:37,864 Speaker 2: Are the titles alive? 223 00:09:37,984 --> 00:09:40,184 Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty much, they're just like, this isn't a joke. 224 00:09:40,544 --> 00:09:43,024 Speaker 1: It's so bad. And then like other publications are saying 225 00:09:43,064 --> 00:09:45,864 Speaker 1: things like, don't stay away from Joker because you're worried 226 00:09:45,904 --> 00:09:48,184 Speaker 1: about the violence, stay away from it because it's basically 227 00:09:48,184 --> 00:09:51,744 Speaker 1: a terrible movie, and it's of course and just yeah, 228 00:09:51,864 --> 00:09:53,224 Speaker 1: like it's. 229 00:09:52,664 --> 00:09:54,504 Speaker 2: Really intellgrit than what we do. 230 00:09:54,744 --> 00:09:57,464 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's look the next step up from a britally 231 00:09:57,504 --> 00:10:00,184 Speaker 1: honest review. So yeah, out of all the big name 232 00:10:00,264 --> 00:10:02,584 Speaker 1: movies that are screened, of Venis, there was so much 233 00:10:02,624 --> 00:10:04,384 Speaker 1: build up to this one, and then people are just 234 00:10:04,384 --> 00:10:06,944 Speaker 1: saying that it's just such a flop, which I feel 235 00:10:06,944 --> 00:10:09,304 Speaker 1: bad also for Lady Gaga because she already. 236 00:10:08,944 --> 00:10:11,144 Speaker 2: Even trying for an oscar for so long. 237 00:10:11,344 --> 00:10:13,704 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I feel like people really liked her and 238 00:10:13,784 --> 00:10:16,264 Speaker 1: Star is Born and then House of Gucci. She kind 239 00:10:16,304 --> 00:10:18,464 Speaker 1: of made such a big build up around the fact 240 00:10:18,504 --> 00:10:19,504 Speaker 1: that she'd. 241 00:10:19,184 --> 00:10:22,704 Speaker 2: There are nine people in the group, takes one person 242 00:10:22,864 --> 00:10:23,424 Speaker 2: to do that. 243 00:10:23,464 --> 00:10:25,184 Speaker 1: Day, and she also said she'd had to have like 244 00:10:25,264 --> 00:10:27,504 Speaker 1: a psychiatric care on site with her, and like a 245 00:10:27,544 --> 00:10:30,344 Speaker 1: critical care. She did have a critical care nurse on 246 00:10:30,384 --> 00:10:32,544 Speaker 1: set with her because she said she pushed herself to 247 00:10:32,584 --> 00:10:35,504 Speaker 1: the brink so intensely with the character that she needed 248 00:10:35,544 --> 00:10:37,544 Speaker 1: like critical round the medical care. 249 00:10:37,664 --> 00:10:38,144 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 250 00:10:38,184 --> 00:10:42,584 Speaker 1: And then people saw it like, oh no, my worst nightmare. 251 00:10:43,504 --> 00:10:45,504 Speaker 2: And then the poor thing she can't catch your brain. 252 00:10:45,664 --> 00:10:47,304 Speaker 1: I know. Then I feel like she's gone all in 253 00:10:47,344 --> 00:10:49,464 Speaker 1: on this and she's saying it's her most exciting work 254 00:10:49,504 --> 00:10:51,384 Speaker 1: and people are going to be shocked, and she's at 255 00:10:51,424 --> 00:10:54,984 Speaker 1: venice and down and now everyone's just laughing at her. 256 00:10:55,304 --> 00:10:56,984 Speaker 2: No, well, we'll watch it. 257 00:10:57,064 --> 00:10:58,984 Speaker 1: We'll go watch it. We'll give you guys an honest review. 258 00:10:59,024 --> 00:11:00,504 Speaker 1: But yeah, so as I get the invitation for the 259 00:11:00,544 --> 00:11:04,664 Speaker 1: screening of a Joker for their we'll go. 260 00:11:04,904 --> 00:11:05,504 Speaker 2: We can't wait. 261 00:11:19,944 --> 00:11:23,704 Speaker 3: So last week, which feels like years ago because we 262 00:11:23,744 --> 00:11:26,744 Speaker 3: do the podcast every day, Yes we do, we talked 263 00:11:26,784 --> 00:11:31,784 Speaker 3: about a certain document. It was a now like show. 264 00:11:31,864 --> 00:11:34,544 Speaker 3: It's a fake document that kind of outlined a breakup 265 00:11:34,544 --> 00:11:38,304 Speaker 3: contract between Taylor Swift and Travis Kelcey. Both of them 266 00:11:38,424 --> 00:11:41,864 Speaker 3: said that that document's fake. Kelsey's PR team might be 267 00:11:41,944 --> 00:11:44,984 Speaker 3: preceding legal actions against the person who is circulating that photo. 268 00:11:45,424 --> 00:11:50,064 Speaker 3: But since then, my entire Instagram, TikTok, newsletter feed. Pretty 269 00:11:50,104 --> 00:11:52,144 Speaker 3: much every time I look at the Internet or a TV, 270 00:11:52,744 --> 00:11:56,064 Speaker 3: I just see photos and videos of both of them 271 00:11:56,624 --> 00:11:59,424 Speaker 3: out in public. They're out at dinners. He was at 272 00:11:59,464 --> 00:12:02,504 Speaker 3: the Ears Tour. She's now at the NFL games for him. 273 00:12:02,824 --> 00:12:06,184 Speaker 3: They're at the US Open. They're dancing, They're a bit tipsy. 274 00:12:06,264 --> 00:12:07,864 Speaker 3: She loves the vodka Cran. We all know she loves 275 00:12:07,904 --> 00:12:11,984 Speaker 3: the vodka Cran. They're very like touchy feely PDA like, 276 00:12:12,024 --> 00:12:16,984 Speaker 3: they're very much close together in a way that I 277 00:12:17,024 --> 00:12:19,824 Speaker 3: am kind of looking at it going this seems really 278 00:12:20,184 --> 00:12:23,184 Speaker 3: unnatural because they've always been very close, Like we've seen 279 00:12:23,224 --> 00:12:26,344 Speaker 3: them at Coachella together, We've seen her like congratulate him 280 00:12:26,344 --> 00:12:29,424 Speaker 3: after winning the super Bowl. But there's something in these 281 00:12:29,464 --> 00:12:32,424 Speaker 3: like photos I'm seeing where it seems over the top. 282 00:12:32,664 --> 00:12:34,984 Speaker 1: Do you mean their behavior to each other seams over 283 00:12:35,024 --> 00:12:37,464 Speaker 1: the top, or do you mean the circumstances and like 284 00:12:37,544 --> 00:12:40,104 Speaker 1: how much they're being photographed seems over the top. 285 00:12:40,344 --> 00:12:43,224 Speaker 3: I think both actually right, I think they seem over 286 00:12:43,264 --> 00:12:46,064 Speaker 3: the top. We're touching each other constantly, having to literally 287 00:12:46,104 --> 00:12:49,264 Speaker 3: be connected to each other. Plus the amount of photos 288 00:12:49,264 --> 00:12:51,744 Speaker 3: I'm seeing seems over the top, which is weird to say, 289 00:12:51,824 --> 00:12:53,944 Speaker 3: because I think if any paparazzi sees tell us if 290 00:12:53,944 --> 00:12:56,304 Speaker 3: they want a photo of her. But it just seems 291 00:12:56,304 --> 00:13:00,024 Speaker 3: like she's becoming oversaturated, which I never saw throughout the 292 00:13:00,144 --> 00:13:02,544 Speaker 3: entire eras tour. She seemed like she was very concentrated 293 00:13:02,584 --> 00:13:04,584 Speaker 3: on her work and was like, I don't know, like 294 00:13:04,944 --> 00:13:08,224 Speaker 3: soft launching her relationship to us, and now it's very 295 00:13:08,304 --> 00:13:09,824 Speaker 3: much like I'm in a relationship. 296 00:13:10,384 --> 00:13:11,584 Speaker 2: Document was definitely fake. 297 00:13:11,664 --> 00:13:14,024 Speaker 3: Look at us, we love each other, we're together, and 298 00:13:14,064 --> 00:13:16,384 Speaker 3: it's now kind of making me think that what if 299 00:13:16,384 --> 00:13:19,584 Speaker 3: they actually have broken up but it wasn't on their terms, 300 00:13:19,584 --> 00:13:21,824 Speaker 3: so now they're pretending to be together, which I know 301 00:13:22,144 --> 00:13:24,144 Speaker 3: sounds like one of those conspiracy theories, but I'm just. 302 00:13:24,224 --> 00:13:25,184 Speaker 2: I find it so bizarre. 303 00:13:25,264 --> 00:13:27,424 Speaker 1: No, I love it, like all your conspiracy theories on 304 00:13:27,464 --> 00:13:29,704 Speaker 1: the table, but the thing is just going along with 305 00:13:29,744 --> 00:13:32,624 Speaker 1: your theory for one moment in time, so you think 306 00:13:32,664 --> 00:13:35,384 Speaker 1: that they have broken up. So what I think happened, yeah, 307 00:13:35,504 --> 00:13:37,704 Speaker 1: was like, okay, the I feel like you're meant to 308 00:13:37,704 --> 00:13:40,024 Speaker 1: pull out a big border a graph. I've also like, 309 00:13:40,224 --> 00:13:42,624 Speaker 1: not really researched this theory, So this could be coming 310 00:13:42,624 --> 00:13:44,544 Speaker 1: from my own brain and no one else has. It's 311 00:13:44,544 --> 00:13:45,824 Speaker 1: definitely coming from your own brain. 312 00:13:45,864 --> 00:13:48,744 Speaker 3: So the document that leaked the fake one, Yeah, I 313 00:13:48,824 --> 00:13:51,584 Speaker 3: think that was definitely fake obviously, But I. 314 00:13:51,544 --> 00:13:53,464 Speaker 2: Think a friend of a friend of a friend of 315 00:13:53,464 --> 00:13:54,064 Speaker 2: a friend. 316 00:13:53,984 --> 00:13:56,984 Speaker 3: Leaked it so they could see what the fallout would 317 00:13:56,984 --> 00:14:00,664 Speaker 3: be if it was real interesting, and I feel like 318 00:14:00,744 --> 00:14:02,304 Speaker 3: no one really care that much. 319 00:14:02,824 --> 00:14:05,664 Speaker 2: So I think now they're playing that they. 320 00:14:05,504 --> 00:14:08,864 Speaker 3: Are actually really together so they can like try to 321 00:14:09,504 --> 00:14:12,464 Speaker 3: re launch a breakup in a different way to get 322 00:14:12,464 --> 00:14:13,984 Speaker 3: a better reaction out of it. 323 00:14:14,184 --> 00:14:19,024 Speaker 1: Right, right, Look, I mean I'm not saying you're completely wrong, 324 00:14:19,104 --> 00:14:21,984 Speaker 1: but going back to another recent huge celebrity breakup, Jennifer 325 00:14:22,024 --> 00:14:25,104 Speaker 1: Lopez and Ben Affleck, we said on the pod like 326 00:14:25,184 --> 00:14:27,944 Speaker 1: weeks before in their announcement came that they are kind 327 00:14:27,944 --> 00:14:30,504 Speaker 1: of letting us know through a lot of different ways 328 00:14:30,504 --> 00:14:32,864 Speaker 1: that they're broken up and the different house and they're 329 00:14:32,984 --> 00:14:35,984 Speaker 1: yeah being photographs separate, separately, yeah, rings off, all that 330 00:14:36,024 --> 00:14:38,024 Speaker 1: sort of stuff, and it felt like they were kind 331 00:14:38,024 --> 00:14:40,784 Speaker 1: of letting the public ease into it. So when their 332 00:14:40,864 --> 00:14:43,184 Speaker 1: news came out that they were breaking up, their official 333 00:14:43,224 --> 00:14:46,224 Speaker 1: statement it was still newsworthy, but everyone was like, oh, yeah, 334 00:14:46,224 --> 00:14:47,344 Speaker 1: this is just the next part of the story that 335 00:14:47,384 --> 00:14:48,824 Speaker 1: we knew the coming, so it didn't feel like this 336 00:14:48,864 --> 00:14:51,864 Speaker 1: big bombshell. I'm not sure if exactly if that's what's 337 00:14:51,864 --> 00:14:53,744 Speaker 1: happening here. I think one reason why all of a 338 00:14:53,744 --> 00:14:56,744 Speaker 1: sudden it feels like they're everything together is that they've 339 00:14:56,824 --> 00:14:59,224 Speaker 1: both been out of the spotlight to an extent. Obviously, 340 00:14:59,264 --> 00:15:01,744 Speaker 1: Taylor's been touring, but when she's on the RAS tour, 341 00:15:02,144 --> 00:15:04,784 Speaker 1: it's very different to how she gets photographed when she's 342 00:15:04,824 --> 00:15:07,624 Speaker 1: at home in New York or somewhere like that, because, 343 00:15:07,824 --> 00:15:09,504 Speaker 1: as she said, like when she's doing the errors to 344 00:15:09,784 --> 00:15:11,784 Speaker 1: her and her tea go into like a COVID bubble 345 00:15:12,024 --> 00:15:13,824 Speaker 1: where they only really see each other. They don't go 346 00:15:13,864 --> 00:15:15,624 Speaker 1: out and about like they And also if she's going 347 00:15:15,664 --> 00:15:18,104 Speaker 1: to a city and she's just doing like four shows 348 00:15:18,144 --> 00:15:21,384 Speaker 1: and she's like staying inside resting them, performing at night 349 00:15:21,464 --> 00:15:23,064 Speaker 1: and stuff, so you don't see her out and about, 350 00:15:23,064 --> 00:15:24,904 Speaker 1: whereas when she's in New York, she's out to dinner 351 00:15:24,944 --> 00:15:27,584 Speaker 1: every night because it's like she's on holidays. And also, 352 00:15:27,744 --> 00:15:29,824 Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey has been in the off season. I hate 353 00:15:29,824 --> 00:15:31,944 Speaker 1: that I even like remember when I didn't know about 354 00:15:32,864 --> 00:15:34,464 Speaker 1: I know about sport. He's in the off season from 355 00:15:34,504 --> 00:15:37,024 Speaker 1: the I want to see NFL NFL. Yeah, after he 356 00:15:37,064 --> 00:15:38,984 Speaker 1: won the super Bowl. It's just been a while since 357 00:15:39,024 --> 00:15:41,464 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, and I think we forget the intensity 358 00:15:41,504 --> 00:15:44,384 Speaker 1: of the Taylor Swift coverage around then, because you've got 359 00:15:44,384 --> 00:15:46,064 Speaker 1: to think back to that time, like not only were 360 00:15:46,104 --> 00:15:50,264 Speaker 1: they being photographed everywhere, and every news article was about them, 361 00:15:50,344 --> 00:15:54,024 Speaker 1: even like proper like primetime news programs were doing like 362 00:15:54,224 --> 00:15:56,464 Speaker 1: maps to show how Taylor Swift could get from her 363 00:15:56,504 --> 00:15:58,664 Speaker 1: concert to the super Bowl, Like it was all encompassing. 364 00:15:59,024 --> 00:16:00,824 Speaker 1: And then he went on hiatus, so he was out 365 00:16:00,864 --> 00:16:03,144 Speaker 1: at a spotlight And I do know that he was 366 00:16:03,184 --> 00:16:05,584 Speaker 1: doing press because a few different entertainment journalists that I 367 00:16:05,624 --> 00:16:08,264 Speaker 1: follow who work from things like entertainment to night and stuff, 368 00:16:08,264 --> 00:16:10,544 Speaker 1: were saying that because Travis Kelsey has a few diferent 369 00:16:10,584 --> 00:16:13,104 Speaker 1: TV things coming out, he also also has his podcast 370 00:16:13,464 --> 00:16:15,944 Speaker 1: with his brother, which apparently the ratings started going through 371 00:16:15,984 --> 00:16:18,384 Speaker 1: the roof at the moment, so he was doing press 372 00:16:18,464 --> 00:16:19,064 Speaker 1: over the break. 373 00:16:19,104 --> 00:16:21,304 Speaker 2: But she's really helped out his career, Yeah. 374 00:16:21,144 --> 00:16:23,944 Speaker 1: She really really has. There were all these really strict 375 00:16:23,984 --> 00:16:27,224 Speaker 1: stipulations in every interview he did that they weren't allowed 376 00:16:27,264 --> 00:16:29,944 Speaker 1: to ask about Taylor Swift at all, but also love 377 00:16:29,984 --> 00:16:33,104 Speaker 1: and dating in general, what he'd been doing, Like there 378 00:16:33,224 --> 00:16:36,224 Speaker 1: was so strict and so all the interviews he's done 379 00:16:36,264 --> 00:16:39,224 Speaker 1: have either been held or they haven't made headlines because 380 00:16:39,224 --> 00:16:41,624 Speaker 1: it's just him talking about making his podcasts and TV 381 00:16:41,664 --> 00:16:43,904 Speaker 1: show and that's not what people care about. And so 382 00:16:43,944 --> 00:16:46,984 Speaker 1: I think now that like the NFL's back, she's back 383 00:16:47,024 --> 00:16:48,784 Speaker 1: getting photographed and video and stuff. 384 00:16:48,864 --> 00:16:51,624 Speaker 3: She's also in all the promo for the NFL, but 385 00:16:51,704 --> 00:16:55,584 Speaker 3: the official NFL promo for this next season next year 386 00:16:55,744 --> 00:16:57,904 Speaker 3: is like has like so many clips of just her. 387 00:16:58,264 --> 00:17:00,704 Speaker 1: Yeah. The ratings for so many of those games also 388 00:17:00,784 --> 00:17:02,584 Speaker 1: went through the roof because you know, it's the power 389 00:17:02,584 --> 00:17:05,584 Speaker 1: of the Swifties coming over. Which is also interesting because 390 00:17:05,584 --> 00:17:08,784 Speaker 1: I don't think she would have actually said, like, yes, 391 00:17:08,904 --> 00:17:12,184 Speaker 1: put me in. We obviously know that she's not going 392 00:17:12,224 --> 00:17:13,744 Speaker 1: to fight it or push it. 393 00:17:13,864 --> 00:17:16,064 Speaker 2: Was like definitely some intern with like cap cut on 394 00:17:16,064 --> 00:17:16,784 Speaker 2: their phone, Yeah. 395 00:17:16,704 --> 00:17:18,584 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna do this, do this, and they know 396 00:17:18,624 --> 00:17:20,704 Speaker 1: that she's probably not going to push back. Because the 397 00:17:20,744 --> 00:17:22,504 Speaker 1: thing is, there are a lot of famous family or 398 00:17:22,504 --> 00:17:24,664 Speaker 1: like wives and girlfriends who go to those games. So 399 00:17:24,744 --> 00:17:27,744 Speaker 1: someone like Hailey Steinfield, who granted not the same fame 400 00:17:27,824 --> 00:17:30,184 Speaker 1: level as Taylor Swift, is at a lot of those 401 00:17:30,184 --> 00:17:33,624 Speaker 1: games because her longtime partner is an NFL player and 402 00:17:33,664 --> 00:17:36,344 Speaker 1: people have been very obsessed with their romance. But a 403 00:17:36,384 --> 00:17:38,664 Speaker 1: lot of people have said that she said specifically that 404 00:17:38,744 --> 00:17:40,304 Speaker 1: she doesn't want to be on camera, do not film 405 00:17:40,344 --> 00:17:42,424 Speaker 1: me during the games, do not take my photo, and 406 00:17:42,504 --> 00:17:45,584 Speaker 1: so they don't. Taylor stif probably doesn't have that luxury. 407 00:17:46,064 --> 00:17:47,824 Speaker 1: But I guess the point of this is that they 408 00:17:48,024 --> 00:17:50,704 Speaker 1: can be secretive when they want to in terms of 409 00:17:50,784 --> 00:17:53,264 Speaker 1: like we know that she had all the like celebrities 410 00:17:53,264 --> 00:17:55,424 Speaker 1: at her Rhode Island home for some big holiday weekend 411 00:17:55,464 --> 00:17:55,864 Speaker 1: and party. 412 00:17:55,984 --> 00:17:56,904 Speaker 2: That's my other theory. 413 00:17:56,984 --> 00:17:59,784 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh is like are they doing the PDA stuff 414 00:17:59,784 --> 00:18:02,264 Speaker 3: so people are talking about them and not over her 415 00:18:02,304 --> 00:18:05,424 Speaker 3: two bestdies or a bit problematic. 416 00:18:04,984 --> 00:18:05,784 Speaker 1: Ryan and Blake. 417 00:18:05,864 --> 00:18:09,984 Speaker 3: I don't know Ike pr nightmare right now, Brittany mahomes Republicans. 418 00:18:10,504 --> 00:18:13,424 Speaker 1: Yeah, they haven't been photographed together. I think in this 419 00:18:13,504 --> 00:18:15,984 Speaker 1: case sometimes like there is a lot more going on 420 00:18:16,064 --> 00:18:18,344 Speaker 1: behind the scenes than we think, But I think most 421 00:18:18,384 --> 00:18:21,544 Speaker 1: of the time it's actually less than we think. In 422 00:18:21,584 --> 00:18:23,984 Speaker 1: some cases, because you've got to think Taylor and Travis, 423 00:18:24,024 --> 00:18:26,424 Speaker 1: they don't actually have any scandal around them at the moment, 424 00:18:26,744 --> 00:18:28,904 Speaker 1: so why would they be in hiding, Because, yes, that 425 00:18:28,984 --> 00:18:31,544 Speaker 1: document came out, but everyone knew it was fake. Also, 426 00:18:31,664 --> 00:18:34,344 Speaker 1: there have been rumors like when when they first got together, 427 00:18:34,344 --> 00:18:36,944 Speaker 1: everyone thought their relationship was fake, and now they've held 428 00:18:36,984 --> 00:18:38,904 Speaker 1: on to it way longer than anyone would have thought. 429 00:18:39,104 --> 00:18:41,424 Speaker 1: There's been rumors about his family hating her, and that 430 00:18:41,504 --> 00:18:43,624 Speaker 1: was proved not to be true. There was rumors that 431 00:18:43,704 --> 00:18:45,904 Speaker 1: she and Joe Alben had a wild divorce, and now 432 00:18:45,944 --> 00:18:47,464 Speaker 1: it's come out they're probably not even married, Like you 433 00:18:47,504 --> 00:18:49,584 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like this little blip of this 434 00:18:49,704 --> 00:18:53,424 Speaker 1: fake contract going around is probably not on their radar 435 00:18:53,784 --> 00:18:55,824 Speaker 1: for them as much as we think it is. I 436 00:18:55,904 --> 00:18:57,424 Speaker 1: just think it's more a case so that he was 437 00:18:57,464 --> 00:19:00,144 Speaker 1: in the off season, so he wasn't being seen. She's 438 00:19:00,224 --> 00:19:02,984 Speaker 1: been touring, and when she's touring, she doesn't go out 439 00:19:03,024 --> 00:19:06,544 Speaker 1: and about. Also, after everything that happened in Vienna, you know, 440 00:19:06,584 --> 00:19:09,304 Speaker 1: all of that full out actual threat of people losing 441 00:19:09,344 --> 00:19:12,784 Speaker 1: their lives and her fans being upset. She's so aware 442 00:19:12,824 --> 00:19:14,784 Speaker 1: of what people think of her. She's not going to 443 00:19:14,824 --> 00:19:17,824 Speaker 1: be photographed out and about at dinner when there's that 444 00:19:17,904 --> 00:19:19,664 Speaker 1: sort of a threat hanging in the air, and she'd 445 00:19:19,704 --> 00:19:21,784 Speaker 1: been working with anti terror groups, do you know what 446 00:19:21,824 --> 00:19:24,184 Speaker 1: I mean? It's just now that she's been back in 447 00:19:24,184 --> 00:19:26,824 Speaker 1: New York and like he's back at work, like they're 448 00:19:26,824 --> 00:19:28,944 Speaker 1: back from holidays basically, so we're seeing them. So I 449 00:19:28,944 --> 00:19:29,904 Speaker 1: don't know if it's quite. 450 00:19:29,984 --> 00:19:31,864 Speaker 2: So this is like regular programs. I think, back to. 451 00:19:31,944 --> 00:19:34,904 Speaker 1: Regular programming, we have just forgotten it because we haven't 452 00:19:34,904 --> 00:19:36,784 Speaker 1: seen them like this for a while. And the thing 453 00:19:36,864 --> 00:19:38,264 Speaker 1: about that is, though, what do you think they're going 454 00:19:38,304 --> 00:19:40,704 Speaker 1: to gain by making us think that they're in a 455 00:19:40,744 --> 00:19:43,264 Speaker 1: relationship longer and then breaking up in a different Do 456 00:19:43,304 --> 00:19:44,224 Speaker 1: you really think they would do that. 457 00:19:44,464 --> 00:19:47,224 Speaker 3: I think she just loves being in control of her 458 00:19:47,224 --> 00:19:51,064 Speaker 3: own narrative, which everyone does, and I think she's got 459 00:19:51,104 --> 00:19:55,024 Speaker 3: tree pain working over time to find the perfect formula 460 00:19:55,184 --> 00:19:57,824 Speaker 3: on Maybe they're not broken up, which I'm not saying 461 00:19:57,864 --> 00:19:58,104 Speaker 3: they are. 462 00:19:58,224 --> 00:20:00,464 Speaker 2: I still think they are, but maybe she's. 463 00:20:00,264 --> 00:20:04,584 Speaker 3: Just working out the most perfect way to break up 464 00:20:04,744 --> 00:20:08,784 Speaker 3: without the constant ramification she always gets when she breaks up. 465 00:20:08,744 --> 00:20:09,104 Speaker 2: With the man. 466 00:20:09,304 --> 00:20:11,504 Speaker 1: But that's just making all my worse now, because now 467 00:20:11,504 --> 00:20:14,304 Speaker 1: people are getting more invested in their relationship. They're being 468 00:20:14,304 --> 00:20:16,024 Speaker 1: seen out and about more, so there's going to be 469 00:20:16,064 --> 00:20:19,024 Speaker 1: a bigger fallout if they were about to break up 470 00:20:19,304 --> 00:20:21,544 Speaker 1: then if they had just kind of peeed it out slowly. 471 00:20:21,784 --> 00:20:23,464 Speaker 1: I do think they're choosing to be seen because the 472 00:20:23,504 --> 00:20:25,744 Speaker 1: thing is they can get around New York or any 473 00:20:25,744 --> 00:20:27,824 Speaker 1: city without being seen if they want to, Like they 474 00:20:27,864 --> 00:20:30,544 Speaker 1: obviously don't care. They're happy to walk into restaurants. They're 475 00:20:30,584 --> 00:20:32,264 Speaker 1: walking in places where they know they're going to be 476 00:20:32,264 --> 00:20:35,304 Speaker 1: Perhaps she's going to a recording studio where paparazzi's hanging 477 00:20:35,304 --> 00:20:37,024 Speaker 1: out the front because they know that's where she likes 478 00:20:37,064 --> 00:20:39,384 Speaker 1: to go. Like they are deliberately going to places where 479 00:20:39,384 --> 00:20:41,904 Speaker 1: they'll be photographed. But I just feel like that doesn't 480 00:20:41,904 --> 00:20:44,064 Speaker 1: have any good fallout for either of them, Like they've 481 00:20:44,104 --> 00:20:46,944 Speaker 1: already got so much publicity from this relationship. If they 482 00:20:46,944 --> 00:20:49,984 Speaker 1: then have a breakup after being loved up even more 483 00:20:49,984 --> 00:20:52,224 Speaker 1: in the public eye, that's just going to be more fallout. 484 00:20:52,264 --> 00:20:53,864 Speaker 1: I just think that, like, if you have an empire 485 00:20:53,904 --> 00:20:56,584 Speaker 1: like Taylor Swift, you're more calculated than that, Like you 486 00:20:56,624 --> 00:20:58,544 Speaker 1: don't do anything less is going to be payoff. And 487 00:20:58,584 --> 00:21:00,704 Speaker 1: I just don't see what the payoff would be for 488 00:21:00,824 --> 00:21:02,944 Speaker 1: pretending to still date this man. I just think they're 489 00:21:02,944 --> 00:21:05,864 Speaker 1: still together and they're just out about So what would 490 00:21:06,024 --> 00:21:07,944 Speaker 1: convince you that they were together? Like, what do these 491 00:21:07,944 --> 00:21:09,904 Speaker 1: two kids have to do out there in the street 492 00:21:09,984 --> 00:21:12,704 Speaker 1: to make you think on the road. No, I mean 493 00:21:12,744 --> 00:21:14,344 Speaker 1: that would be a publicity stunt. 494 00:21:14,584 --> 00:21:18,424 Speaker 2: I think just keeping it very chill, very quiet. I 495 00:21:18,464 --> 00:21:19,104 Speaker 2: don't know why. 496 00:21:19,224 --> 00:21:22,264 Speaker 3: I think maybe it just comes down to real life. 497 00:21:22,304 --> 00:21:26,304 Speaker 3: Like I always believe that the person on Instagram who's 498 00:21:26,304 --> 00:21:30,024 Speaker 3: constantly posting about their relationship has issues. That's true, and 499 00:21:30,104 --> 00:21:32,344 Speaker 3: I think that's kind of the celebrity version of what 500 00:21:32,424 --> 00:21:34,424 Speaker 3: they're doing. So I think if they were just a 501 00:21:34,424 --> 00:21:38,144 Speaker 3: bit more like low key casual, but obviously, like you said, 502 00:21:38,184 --> 00:21:40,624 Speaker 3: if they were Loki casual, that'd make everyone else button 503 00:21:40,664 --> 00:21:42,064 Speaker 3: me think that they get broken up. 504 00:21:42,104 --> 00:21:44,944 Speaker 1: But also walking into a recording studio holding hands is 505 00:21:44,984 --> 00:21:46,984 Speaker 1: actually pretty low key casual. Like I haven't seen them 506 00:21:47,024 --> 00:21:49,304 Speaker 1: pashing in the street or do anything anything weird or 507 00:21:49,584 --> 00:21:51,904 Speaker 1: just it's just that you're saying, it's just the way 508 00:21:51,944 --> 00:21:52,584 Speaker 1: they're doing it. 509 00:21:52,664 --> 00:21:56,544 Speaker 3: Yeah, they can afford to not hold hands, like maybe 510 00:21:56,624 --> 00:21:58,704 Speaker 3: like double park it two drinks to hands. 511 00:21:58,824 --> 00:22:01,104 Speaker 1: Well exactly all right. Well, well I'm going to say 512 00:22:01,104 --> 00:22:02,824 Speaker 1: if they do break up, I will admit you're right 513 00:22:03,024 --> 00:22:05,064 Speaker 1: and we'll have an emergency episode. But I don't I 514 00:22:05,064 --> 00:22:05,824 Speaker 1: don't foresee that. 515 00:22:08,344 --> 00:22:10,584 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for listening to this episod to 516 00:22:10,624 --> 00:22:12,944 Speaker 3: the Spill if you love listening to this episode as 517 00:22:12,984 --> 00:22:15,544 Speaker 3: well as any Taylor Swifts content. As mentioned, we have 518 00:22:15,664 --> 00:22:17,784 Speaker 3: talked about their relationship a few times in the past. 519 00:22:17,784 --> 00:22:20,304 Speaker 3: We will link those episodes in our show notes, and 520 00:22:20,384 --> 00:22:22,144 Speaker 3: we will see you back here in your podcast speed 521 00:22:22,184 --> 00:22:23,304 Speaker 3: at three pm tomorrow. 522 00:22:23,304 --> 00:22:33,144 Speaker 1: Bye bye bye.