1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:14,144 Speaker 1: So much. You're listening to a Mamma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 3 00:00:18,744 --> 00:00:20,664 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded. 4 00:00:20,304 --> 00:00:28,184 Speaker 3: On From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill your daily 5 00:00:28,224 --> 00:00:31,744 Speaker 3: pop culture fix. I'm m Burnham and I'm Laura Broadway. 6 00:00:31,824 --> 00:00:33,104 Speaker 3: Did you hear I went on a bit of a 7 00:00:33,104 --> 00:00:35,024 Speaker 3: different inclination there for the intro. 8 00:00:35,344 --> 00:00:37,824 Speaker 2: I did not pick that up. But I'm proud of 9 00:00:37,824 --> 00:00:39,904 Speaker 2: you for taking chances and big swings. 10 00:00:39,904 --> 00:00:43,664 Speaker 3: Well, I try something to do. On today's show, Sydney 11 00:00:43,704 --> 00:00:46,784 Speaker 3: Sweeney made a comment about women in Hollywood recently and 12 00:00:46,824 --> 00:00:50,504 Speaker 3: it's gone absolutely viral. We are talking about that as 13 00:00:50,504 --> 00:00:52,664 Speaker 3: well as all the reactions that have come out of that. 14 00:00:53,064 --> 00:00:55,904 Speaker 2: But first, but first, While you are often seeing a 15 00:00:55,944 --> 00:00:58,624 Speaker 2: Paul having a fancy time, I was also doing big, 16 00:00:58,664 --> 00:00:59,304 Speaker 2: exciting things. 17 00:00:59,344 --> 00:00:59,904 Speaker 3: What are you doing? 18 00:00:59,944 --> 00:01:03,624 Speaker 2: Because I went to the Mawana two premiere, I'm so jealous. 19 00:01:03,664 --> 00:01:04,624 Speaker 2: I actually thought you would be. 20 00:01:04,904 --> 00:01:06,784 Speaker 3: I love Moana so much. 21 00:01:07,224 --> 00:01:11,344 Speaker 4: Where are we going? Before more, we saw Tiffeti's heart. 22 00:01:11,944 --> 00:01:15,784 Speaker 4: Ancestors wanted to connect our island to all the people 23 00:01:16,264 --> 00:01:21,424 Speaker 4: of the entire ocean. It's my job, as we find it, 24 00:01:22,264 --> 00:01:23,744 Speaker 4: to finish what they started. 25 00:01:24,184 --> 00:01:27,624 Speaker 3: Wanna how people just how far we will go? 26 00:01:29,824 --> 00:01:33,304 Speaker 2: This is a call from the ancestors hidden in a 27 00:01:33,424 --> 00:01:37,744 Speaker 2: terrible storm. It's an ancient island sitting foot on its sands, 28 00:01:37,744 --> 00:01:39,424 Speaker 2: would break the curse, bring. 29 00:01:39,224 --> 00:01:40,584 Speaker 3: Our people together again. 30 00:01:40,904 --> 00:01:43,944 Speaker 2: They know what I have to do. Moi, I could 31 00:01:43,944 --> 00:01:44,704 Speaker 2: really use your help. 32 00:01:45,544 --> 00:01:47,264 Speaker 3: Does it hold up to mona one? 33 00:01:47,784 --> 00:01:50,824 Speaker 2: That is a complicated and complex question. So first I 34 00:01:50,824 --> 00:01:52,984 Speaker 2: should say I'm a really big Molana fan. I don't 35 00:01:52,984 --> 00:01:55,344 Speaker 2: have children, obviously, but you know what, I appreciate a 36 00:01:55,464 --> 00:01:58,944 Speaker 2: great soundtrack and also a nice story, and you know, 37 00:01:59,144 --> 00:02:03,784 Speaker 2: the character is how fuck It's like the one in 38 00:02:03,784 --> 00:02:06,024 Speaker 2: the room. So I interviewed many years ago for a 39 00:02:06,024 --> 00:02:09,624 Speaker 2: different project, Alihi Vero Vulet who voices Moana. 40 00:02:09,944 --> 00:02:10,784 Speaker 3: She was Girls. 41 00:02:10,824 --> 00:02:12,544 Speaker 2: That's right, she was in Megirls is a priet it. 42 00:02:12,624 --> 00:02:14,304 Speaker 2: This is for a TV show she did. And it 43 00:02:14,344 --> 00:02:16,104 Speaker 2: was so funny because often I come out into the 44 00:02:16,104 --> 00:02:17,384 Speaker 2: office and I say like, oh, I've got to go 45 00:02:17,424 --> 00:02:19,904 Speaker 2: interview this person or that person, and people are like, oh, yeah, whatever, 46 00:02:20,304 --> 00:02:24,144 Speaker 2: you know movie stars, we don't care. And when I 47 00:02:24,144 --> 00:02:26,184 Speaker 2: said I've got to go interview the voice of Moana, 48 00:02:26,664 --> 00:02:29,104 Speaker 2: like literally, the reaction in the room was so intense, 49 00:02:29,184 --> 00:02:33,184 Speaker 2: like a So this is the sequel to the twenty 50 00:02:33,304 --> 00:02:35,544 Speaker 2: sixty movie. I think was originally going to be like 51 00:02:35,544 --> 00:02:37,504 Speaker 2: they always wanted to do a follow up because wait, 52 00:02:37,824 --> 00:02:42,464 Speaker 2: wasn't that sixteen Yeah, I know what that. 53 00:02:42,584 --> 00:02:43,944 Speaker 3: Was before I sort of working here. 54 00:02:44,144 --> 00:02:46,184 Speaker 2: Well it really yes, Oh my god, we didn't know 55 00:02:46,224 --> 00:02:47,624 Speaker 2: each other before Mowana existed. 56 00:02:48,224 --> 00:02:50,424 Speaker 3: To me, I felt like it was like three years ago. 57 00:02:50,664 --> 00:02:52,144 Speaker 2: No, no, no, it was a while ago, because I 58 00:02:52,144 --> 00:02:53,944 Speaker 2: think it was a bit of a delay in production. Obviously, 59 00:02:53,984 --> 00:02:56,224 Speaker 2: it takes long time to get an animated movie together, 60 00:02:56,304 --> 00:02:58,104 Speaker 2: but I think for a while there it was going 61 00:02:58,184 --> 00:03:01,624 Speaker 2: to be a TV series, like an animated series, but 62 00:03:01,624 --> 00:03:05,144 Speaker 2: I'm glad they wouldn't have been blockbuster feature release. So 63 00:03:05,304 --> 00:03:07,544 Speaker 2: it picks up a couple of years after the events 64 00:03:07,544 --> 00:03:09,744 Speaker 2: of the first movie, and it's got like the original 65 00:03:09,824 --> 00:03:13,184 Speaker 2: voice cast. So Dwaine the Rock Johnson as Maui his 66 00:03:13,304 --> 00:03:16,384 Speaker 2: favorite role to date because he's also starring in the 67 00:03:16,424 --> 00:03:17,264 Speaker 2: live action movie. 68 00:03:17,344 --> 00:03:20,224 Speaker 3: He's gonna look so good in that. Oh my god, 69 00:03:20,264 --> 00:03:21,024 Speaker 3: I cannot wait. 70 00:03:21,104 --> 00:03:23,304 Speaker 2: I actually because I was a big Molana fan of 71 00:03:23,304 --> 00:03:25,904 Speaker 2: the original, both the storyline. Then I listened to the 72 00:03:25,944 --> 00:03:28,184 Speaker 2: soundtrack all the time, not just how Far I Go, 73 00:03:28,304 --> 00:03:30,904 Speaker 2: which is an absolute banger of a song. It's my 74 00:03:30,944 --> 00:03:33,264 Speaker 2: favorite I'm walking to work because it makes me feel. 75 00:03:33,024 --> 00:03:34,824 Speaker 3: Like, you know what you are going far? 76 00:03:35,064 --> 00:03:37,904 Speaker 2: I go far, I'm doing the work to work, just 77 00:03:37,904 --> 00:03:40,464 Speaker 2: sit at my desk, but just all the songs in 78 00:03:40,504 --> 00:03:44,544 Speaker 2: that So this one, okay review time, I did really 79 00:03:44,624 --> 00:03:46,464 Speaker 2: like it. I think there was like a certain magic 80 00:03:46,504 --> 00:03:49,104 Speaker 2: of being back in that world and being back with 81 00:03:49,144 --> 00:03:53,344 Speaker 2: these characters, and it's very funny. It's probably it's a 82 00:03:53,384 --> 00:03:56,864 Speaker 2: bit more slapstick almost than the original, But does that. 83 00:03:56,864 --> 00:03:59,544 Speaker 3: Mean it's I skewed younger, No, no, no. 84 00:03:59,544 --> 00:04:01,984 Speaker 2: It's still got very kind of adult themes in terms 85 00:04:01,984 --> 00:04:04,904 Speaker 2: of Moana kind of gets this call up from the 86 00:04:05,024 --> 00:04:07,704 Speaker 2: wave writer ancestors and she has to go and find 87 00:04:07,944 --> 00:04:09,864 Speaker 2: that idea of the first movie where she found out 88 00:04:09,864 --> 00:04:12,464 Speaker 2: her people were actually voyagers and they weren't just you know, 89 00:04:12,664 --> 00:04:14,544 Speaker 2: going to be locked on this island and she made 90 00:04:14,544 --> 00:04:17,264 Speaker 2: friends with the ocean really beautiful, and this is about 91 00:04:17,264 --> 00:04:20,424 Speaker 2: her this time. She assembles a crew of like different villagers, 92 00:04:20,504 --> 00:04:22,544 Speaker 2: so that's fun to have like these new characters, and 93 00:04:22,584 --> 00:04:24,544 Speaker 2: they go off from this voyage to find other people 94 00:04:24,544 --> 00:04:27,504 Speaker 2: and find this island like save her people, which is 95 00:04:27,544 --> 00:04:29,464 Speaker 2: really nice, and then she and Maw we reconnect and 96 00:04:29,544 --> 00:04:30,264 Speaker 2: it's a fun time. 97 00:04:30,584 --> 00:04:31,704 Speaker 3: I sh look older. 98 00:04:32,144 --> 00:04:34,504 Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's actually a really funny joke. There's a 99 00:04:34,504 --> 00:04:36,304 Speaker 2: few funny jokes in there that are light little winks 100 00:04:36,304 --> 00:04:39,144 Speaker 2: to people who are very into Marjana fandom, like not spoilers. 101 00:04:39,184 --> 00:04:42,064 Speaker 2: But there's a point where now his character goes like, oh, 102 00:04:42,104 --> 00:04:44,144 Speaker 2: she's not a princess, but that's been hotly debated, and 103 00:04:44,224 --> 00:04:45,624 Speaker 2: I laughed. I was the only one that sin of 104 00:04:45,624 --> 00:04:48,224 Speaker 2: my Another kids laughed. Another adults laughed. I laughed at 105 00:04:48,224 --> 00:04:50,104 Speaker 2: that because there's been a bit of discourse around like 106 00:04:50,344 --> 00:04:52,344 Speaker 2: calling her a Disney princess, but she's not a princess 107 00:04:52,384 --> 00:04:54,464 Speaker 2: in the show, but she's a Disney princess in terms 108 00:04:54,504 --> 00:04:54,944 Speaker 2: of like the. 109 00:04:55,104 --> 00:04:56,824 Speaker 3: Being a woman lead show. 110 00:04:57,264 --> 00:04:57,504 Speaker 1: Yeah. 111 00:04:57,984 --> 00:05:00,504 Speaker 2: And also there's equipping there from how we like again 112 00:05:00,544 --> 00:05:02,504 Speaker 2: not spoilersious little ones where he's like, oh, we're doing 113 00:05:02,504 --> 00:05:04,344 Speaker 2: different outfits this time. You should have told me, because 114 00:05:04,344 --> 00:05:07,184 Speaker 2: she's got a different group or grown up outfit and 115 00:05:07,224 --> 00:05:09,224 Speaker 2: he's just in the same He's like, I'm just rocking 116 00:05:09,224 --> 00:05:13,424 Speaker 2: these leaves again. Actually, I'm so sad you weren't there 117 00:05:13,464 --> 00:05:15,144 Speaker 2: because my favorite thing to do in a movie is 118 00:05:15,184 --> 00:05:17,344 Speaker 2: to watch generally in the reaction, I know, I can't 119 00:05:17,344 --> 00:05:18,864 Speaker 2: wait to watch it, though, And she goes see on 120 00:05:18,864 --> 00:05:21,584 Speaker 2: the big screen to get the full like it looked beautiful. 121 00:05:21,624 --> 00:05:23,464 Speaker 2: Like at one stage when they were doing like these 122 00:05:23,464 --> 00:05:25,224 Speaker 2: shots of the island of the ocean and stuff, I 123 00:05:25,264 --> 00:05:26,944 Speaker 2: was like, it doesn't even look animated. It's so like 124 00:05:27,024 --> 00:05:29,864 Speaker 2: perfectly done. It just looks like you're actually on a 125 00:05:29,864 --> 00:05:32,544 Speaker 2: beautiful tropical island. So I really did love it. I 126 00:05:32,584 --> 00:05:33,864 Speaker 2: think you should take your kids to see it. I 127 00:05:33,904 --> 00:05:35,504 Speaker 2: think I might take my nephews again to see it 128 00:05:35,504 --> 00:05:38,464 Speaker 2: over because it might take you to say, how old them. 129 00:05:38,704 --> 00:05:41,384 Speaker 2: I'll take you to see it because there's some yeah, 130 00:05:41,544 --> 00:05:44,544 Speaker 2: really funny moments. I didn't love the songs as much 131 00:05:44,584 --> 00:05:46,544 Speaker 2: as the first one, but also I have been like 132 00:05:46,664 --> 00:05:50,224 Speaker 2: banging them a Wana soundtrack over and over again since 133 00:05:50,224 --> 00:05:51,224 Speaker 2: twenty sixteen. 134 00:05:51,304 --> 00:05:52,784 Speaker 3: Yeah you needed some re listens. 135 00:05:52,864 --> 00:05:56,544 Speaker 2: Yeah, so obviously lin Manuel Miranda is not involved this 136 00:05:56,584 --> 00:05:59,264 Speaker 2: time around, and he was involved with the first soundtrack. 137 00:05:59,384 --> 00:06:01,384 Speaker 3: I thought he ought he involved in the live action. 138 00:06:01,904 --> 00:06:03,944 Speaker 2: Yeah, I do believe so, oh okay, so maybe just 139 00:06:04,144 --> 00:06:05,464 Speaker 2: is it gonna take a little while to wamp to 140 00:06:05,464 --> 00:06:07,024 Speaker 2: the songs like I did love them, but I didn't 141 00:06:07,024 --> 00:06:09,264 Speaker 2: want to like rush out and listen to it like 142 00:06:09,304 --> 00:06:12,504 Speaker 2: I did with the first movie. But yeah, apart from 143 00:06:12,504 --> 00:06:14,744 Speaker 2: that highly recommend oh can't wait a lot of the time. 144 00:06:14,784 --> 00:06:15,984 Speaker 2: I actually can't wait for you to see it. I'd 145 00:06:15,984 --> 00:06:16,744 Speaker 2: love to hear your thoughts. 146 00:06:16,744 --> 00:06:17,224 Speaker 3: I'm excited. 147 00:06:19,224 --> 00:06:22,104 Speaker 2: So Sydney Sweeney is making a few waves recently, and 148 00:06:22,144 --> 00:06:24,184 Speaker 2: it's all to do with this new interview that she 149 00:06:24,224 --> 00:06:27,704 Speaker 2: did with Vanity Fair. So she was asked about this 150 00:06:27,784 --> 00:06:30,704 Speaker 2: idea of women supporting each other and what her experience is, 151 00:06:31,104 --> 00:06:33,304 Speaker 2: and she gave a really actually really respect her for this. 152 00:06:33,344 --> 00:06:35,704 Speaker 2: She gave like a really straightforward answer and didn't kind 153 00:06:35,704 --> 00:06:39,344 Speaker 2: of sidestep around the question. So she said, this entire industry, 154 00:06:39,464 --> 00:06:42,664 Speaker 2: all people say is women empowering other women, but none 155 00:06:42,704 --> 00:06:44,784 Speaker 2: of it's happening. All of it is fake, and it's 156 00:06:44,784 --> 00:06:46,704 Speaker 2: a front for all the other stuff they say behind 157 00:06:46,744 --> 00:06:51,064 Speaker 2: everyone's back. Oh no, yes, so, and then they went 158 00:06:51,104 --> 00:06:53,344 Speaker 2: on to ask her about a particular moment when we 159 00:06:53,384 --> 00:06:54,864 Speaker 2: talked about this when it happened. 160 00:06:55,064 --> 00:06:56,624 Speaker 3: Yes, I actually do remember this. 161 00:06:56,824 --> 00:06:58,464 Speaker 2: I love you. You know what I'm gonna say So 162 00:06:58,504 --> 00:07:01,584 Speaker 2: in April, a producer called Carol Bam who has produced 163 00:07:01,824 --> 00:07:04,784 Speaker 2: a lot of movies and TV shows, including Dead Ringers 164 00:07:04,824 --> 00:07:07,784 Speaker 2: and also the greatest movie TV show franchise, Full Time, 165 00:07:07,784 --> 00:07:10,264 Speaker 2: Buffy the Vampire Slayer. She does teach and she does 166 00:07:10,504 --> 00:07:12,784 Speaker 2: like just like a professor, yes, and she also does 167 00:07:12,824 --> 00:07:15,064 Speaker 2: like hosting film screenings, me interview all that sort of stuff. 168 00:07:15,064 --> 00:07:17,304 Speaker 2: So this is after a film screening that we're talking 169 00:07:17,304 --> 00:07:19,664 Speaker 2: about different actresses at that moment who were like making 170 00:07:19,704 --> 00:07:21,984 Speaker 2: waves and whose work they were interested in. And she 171 00:07:22,184 --> 00:07:24,824 Speaker 2: said a little bit unprompted, which was an interesting choice 172 00:07:24,864 --> 00:07:26,184 Speaker 2: for her to make. But I guess she thought she 173 00:07:26,224 --> 00:07:28,544 Speaker 2: was in a room with other film people and didn't 174 00:07:28,584 --> 00:07:31,144 Speaker 2: realize there was media there who would report on her comments, 175 00:07:31,544 --> 00:07:34,064 Speaker 2: because Variety reported on it. And apparently she said, there's 176 00:07:34,064 --> 00:07:36,824 Speaker 2: an actress who everybody loves now, Sidney Sweeney. I don't 177 00:07:36,824 --> 00:07:39,384 Speaker 2: get Sidney Sweeney. I was watching on the plane Sidney 178 00:07:39,384 --> 00:07:41,864 Speaker 2: Sweeney's movie anyone but you because I wanted to watch 179 00:07:41,864 --> 00:07:43,744 Speaker 2: it fair. And then she went on to say that 180 00:07:43,824 --> 00:07:46,264 Speaker 2: she's not very pretty and she can't act wide does 181 00:07:46,264 --> 00:07:47,544 Speaker 2: everyone think she's so hot? 182 00:07:48,184 --> 00:07:50,544 Speaker 3: And I think she also said no one could give 183 00:07:50,544 --> 00:07:51,424 Speaker 3: me an answer. 184 00:07:51,504 --> 00:07:53,864 Speaker 2: Yes, And so there was this conversation in the room then, 185 00:07:53,944 --> 00:07:57,144 Speaker 2: which again pretty awful around why Sidney Sweeney was popular. 186 00:07:57,344 --> 00:07:57,904 Speaker 2: Was she pretty? 187 00:07:58,024 --> 00:07:58,304 Speaker 3: Was she? 188 00:07:58,624 --> 00:08:00,504 Speaker 2: You know? Could she act? All that sort of stuff? 189 00:08:00,984 --> 00:08:05,144 Speaker 2: That story went everywhere. Sidney Sweeney's team responded, saying it 190 00:08:05,224 --> 00:08:08,104 Speaker 2: was really damaging to see this narrative out there. But 191 00:08:08,304 --> 00:08:11,824 Speaker 2: Carrollbaum came back and said that she apologize for it. It 192 00:08:11,744 --> 00:08:14,744 Speaker 2: was this whole big situation. So they've asked her about 193 00:08:14,784 --> 00:08:17,344 Speaker 2: that and she said it was very disheartening. So Sidney Sweeny, 194 00:08:17,344 --> 00:08:19,744 Speaker 2: this is talking to Vanity Fair about the situation a 195 00:08:19,744 --> 00:08:22,744 Speaker 2: few months on, said it's very disheartening to see women 196 00:08:22,824 --> 00:08:25,544 Speaker 2: tear each other down, especially when women who are successful 197 00:08:25,544 --> 00:08:29,104 Speaker 2: in other avenues of their industry see younger talent working 198 00:08:29,184 --> 00:08:32,224 Speaker 2: really hard, hoping to achieve whatever dreams they may have, 199 00:08:32,624 --> 00:08:34,664 Speaker 2: and then trying to bash and just credit the work 200 00:08:34,704 --> 00:08:35,144 Speaker 2: they've done. 201 00:08:35,424 --> 00:08:37,984 Speaker 3: Yeah. So when I first heard about this comment that 202 00:08:38,024 --> 00:08:41,384 Speaker 3: she made, I think their context about what has happened 203 00:08:41,424 --> 00:08:46,424 Speaker 3: to her is so important in this instance, because in isolation, 204 00:08:46,784 --> 00:08:49,504 Speaker 3: like hearing a woman in Hollywood say all women do 205 00:08:49,664 --> 00:08:54,584 Speaker 3: is tear each other down, sounds so wild because everything 206 00:08:54,584 --> 00:08:56,464 Speaker 3: else we've heard is like women saying we need to 207 00:08:56,504 --> 00:08:59,944 Speaker 3: hold each other up. But that's probably all she's experienced, 208 00:08:59,944 --> 00:09:03,904 Speaker 3: Like she's probably only ever experienced women tearing her down. 209 00:09:04,024 --> 00:09:06,344 Speaker 3: Like we only know about this one instance because it 210 00:09:06,384 --> 00:09:09,184 Speaker 3: was so public, but we actually don't know like behind 211 00:09:09,224 --> 00:09:10,904 Speaker 3: the scenes of what she's been going through. And I 212 00:09:10,944 --> 00:09:13,704 Speaker 3: haven't really seen anyone else, like any other woman actually 213 00:09:13,744 --> 00:09:14,584 Speaker 3: lifting her up either. 214 00:09:15,184 --> 00:09:17,624 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting because even though they were talking about 215 00:09:17,664 --> 00:09:20,624 Speaker 2: Carol Barm's comments in this article, I really get the 216 00:09:20,664 --> 00:09:22,864 Speaker 2: feeling that that's not what she was talking about when 217 00:09:22,904 --> 00:09:24,824 Speaker 2: she was talking about a bigger issue of what was 218 00:09:24,824 --> 00:09:25,904 Speaker 2: happening behind the scene. 219 00:09:25,984 --> 00:09:26,704 Speaker 3: What do you think she said? 220 00:09:26,744 --> 00:09:28,864 Speaker 2: What, Well, it must be people that she's working with, 221 00:09:28,944 --> 00:09:31,424 Speaker 2: either on projects that she's worked on or movies she's 222 00:09:31,424 --> 00:09:33,344 Speaker 2: trying to get made, especially because she's really in the 223 00:09:33,384 --> 00:09:37,544 Speaker 2: production side as well, and she seems really business minded. 224 00:09:37,784 --> 00:09:39,744 Speaker 2: I mean, she and her fiance were kind of the 225 00:09:39,784 --> 00:09:43,184 Speaker 2: masterminds behind anyone, but you not just getting the movie made, 226 00:09:43,224 --> 00:09:45,144 Speaker 2: but all the hype and the press tour around and 227 00:09:45,184 --> 00:09:45,984 Speaker 2: how to market it. 228 00:09:46,104 --> 00:09:49,144 Speaker 3: And Glenpoal even talked about like how doing the press 229 00:09:49,184 --> 00:09:50,704 Speaker 3: tool was like an act in itself. 230 00:09:50,864 --> 00:09:53,744 Speaker 2: Glenhaw just did what he was told and he was like, anything, 231 00:09:53,784 --> 00:09:55,024 Speaker 2: you want me to like flirt with him on a 232 00:09:55,024 --> 00:09:56,984 Speaker 2: rede carpet, let's do it. It worked for him. 233 00:09:57,104 --> 00:09:57,504 Speaker 3: It works. 234 00:09:58,464 --> 00:10:00,224 Speaker 2: But also when you hear Sidney Sweeney like and I 235 00:10:00,224 --> 00:10:02,304 Speaker 2: think she does have a team around her who were 236 00:10:02,384 --> 00:10:03,864 Speaker 2: sort of helping her, and I think she's been really 237 00:10:03,904 --> 00:10:06,544 Speaker 2: open about that, but she's very business minded. It's like 238 00:10:06,584 --> 00:10:08,584 Speaker 2: that movie immaculate enough. You've seen that, you don't like 239 00:10:08,584 --> 00:10:13,224 Speaker 2: horror movies, the non horror movie. So she auditioned for that. Yeah, 240 00:10:13,384 --> 00:10:15,264 Speaker 2: so she auditioned for that movie and then it didn't 241 00:10:15,264 --> 00:10:17,264 Speaker 2: go ahead, but she always remembered it as a script 242 00:10:17,304 --> 00:10:20,584 Speaker 2: she loved. So when she started working, she started wanting 243 00:10:20,624 --> 00:10:23,584 Speaker 2: to produce and make her own films, and when she 244 00:10:24,104 --> 00:10:26,824 Speaker 2: was cast in Madam Webb, she used that as a 245 00:10:26,864 --> 00:10:27,624 Speaker 2: stepping stone. 246 00:10:28,224 --> 00:10:28,384 Speaker 4: Yeah. 247 00:10:28,384 --> 00:10:32,064 Speaker 2: Completely, Hey, I kin't of like that movie. It appealed 248 00:10:32,064 --> 00:10:33,304 Speaker 2: to like a twelve year old of me who like 249 00:10:33,424 --> 00:10:36,544 Speaker 2: used to watch the old soup cheesy superhero TV shows exactly. 250 00:10:36,624 --> 00:10:38,904 Speaker 2: That kind of punted. So when she was asked about 251 00:10:38,944 --> 00:10:41,464 Speaker 2: the backlash for Madam Webb, her response that was very 252 00:10:41,464 --> 00:10:43,784 Speaker 2: interesting because she said it got her in with that studio, 253 00:10:43,864 --> 00:10:46,064 Speaker 2: and she when she was working on Madam Webb, she 254 00:10:46,184 --> 00:10:47,824 Speaker 2: used as a stepping stone to say, like, I've got 255 00:10:47,824 --> 00:10:51,144 Speaker 2: this other movie immaculate, and that's how that movie got made. 256 00:10:51,224 --> 00:10:53,424 Speaker 2: So it's like quite an interesting way to look at 257 00:10:53,424 --> 00:10:56,024 Speaker 2: her career. So if she's talking about other women like 258 00:10:56,144 --> 00:10:58,744 Speaker 2: ripping her down behind the scenes, it could be referring 259 00:10:58,744 --> 00:11:00,824 Speaker 2: to like different co stars she's worked with, or it 260 00:11:00,864 --> 00:11:03,904 Speaker 2: could be referring to people that she's in negotiations with 261 00:11:03,984 --> 00:11:07,024 Speaker 2: behind the scenes who maybe aren't green lighting films with 262 00:11:07,264 --> 00:11:10,304 Speaker 2: a young female filmmaker, and maybe that's what she's talkt 263 00:11:10,424 --> 00:11:11,064 Speaker 2: key about. 264 00:11:11,224 --> 00:11:13,984 Speaker 3: But it's like really specific when she talks about just 265 00:11:14,144 --> 00:11:17,064 Speaker 3: women in general, because I would assume they'd be like 266 00:11:17,624 --> 00:11:20,864 Speaker 3: men as well involved in those processes. And it's so true, 267 00:11:20,864 --> 00:11:23,624 Speaker 3: Like if she is saying women broadly, then I think 268 00:11:23,664 --> 00:11:26,344 Speaker 3: everyone's thinking of like a specific women in general that 269 00:11:26,424 --> 00:11:29,424 Speaker 3: she would be talking about, because there have been like 270 00:11:30,104 --> 00:11:34,984 Speaker 3: other women in Hollywood or a listers who have always 271 00:11:35,064 --> 00:11:38,464 Speaker 3: kind of I wouldn't say targeted women who've targeted them, 272 00:11:38,744 --> 00:11:41,384 Speaker 3: but have always had something to clap back to to 273 00:11:41,664 --> 00:11:44,504 Speaker 3: women who say something about them. And it reminds me 274 00:11:44,584 --> 00:11:46,744 Speaker 3: of I don't know if you remember this, but the 275 00:11:46,784 --> 00:11:49,784 Speaker 3: Golden Globes when Tina Fey and Amy Poehla were like, 276 00:11:49,824 --> 00:11:52,224 Speaker 3: I don't know, hosting for like a million years in 277 00:11:52,264 --> 00:11:53,944 Speaker 3: a raw and I think one of the jokes I 278 00:11:54,064 --> 00:11:56,904 Speaker 3: made was about Taylor swear Oh. 279 00:11:56,784 --> 00:11:59,224 Speaker 2: About her going home with young men and there was 280 00:11:59,224 --> 00:12:01,464 Speaker 2: like a young actor in the room and they were like, 281 00:12:01,584 --> 00:12:02,744 Speaker 2: stay back, Taylor's. 282 00:12:02,384 --> 00:12:05,024 Speaker 3: Swiss, like you need time to yourself. And I think 283 00:12:05,024 --> 00:12:07,424 Speaker 3: Taylor ssfift did an interview Variety and she was asked 284 00:12:07,904 --> 00:12:10,064 Speaker 3: about that and she said there's a special place in 285 00:12:10,144 --> 00:12:12,784 Speaker 3: hell for women who don't support other women, which is 286 00:12:12,824 --> 00:12:15,744 Speaker 3: a quote from Madeline Albright. But it's like one of 287 00:12:15,784 --> 00:12:19,384 Speaker 3: those things where when you're watching the Amy pollin Tina 288 00:12:19,384 --> 00:12:22,544 Speaker 3: Fey like that was the lightest comment they made in 289 00:12:22,584 --> 00:12:26,424 Speaker 3: that whole whole hosting gig. And it's mainly men that 290 00:12:26,424 --> 00:12:28,664 Speaker 3: they attack in those ones, like they go hard. Like 291 00:12:28,984 --> 00:12:31,384 Speaker 3: the best joke ever is George Clooney, but we have 292 00:12:31,464 --> 00:12:33,704 Speaker 3: the lifetime achievement a war when he's literally married on 293 00:12:33,744 --> 00:12:37,504 Speaker 3: while Clooney. Yeah, but I think it's really rare that 294 00:12:37,584 --> 00:12:41,824 Speaker 3: we see women in Hollywood clapback and men who make 295 00:12:41,864 --> 00:12:44,944 Speaker 3: comments on them, but it's like a different level of 296 00:12:45,024 --> 00:12:46,424 Speaker 3: hurt when it's another women. 297 00:12:46,744 --> 00:12:48,784 Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. As we always say, the worst 298 00:12:48,824 --> 00:12:50,624 Speaker 2: thing you can do is tell someone else that they're 299 00:12:50,664 --> 00:12:52,184 Speaker 2: not a girl's guard. 300 00:12:52,264 --> 00:12:54,304 Speaker 3: They like, I don't know how she's still like surviving 301 00:12:54,384 --> 00:12:56,504 Speaker 3: after that, Like that's the worst comment you can give 302 00:12:56,544 --> 00:12:56,984 Speaker 3: to a woman. 303 00:12:57,024 --> 00:12:58,744 Speaker 2: Well, that's why the wicked press to it all comes 304 00:12:58,784 --> 00:13:01,104 Speaker 2: back to that. I think has been so geared towards 305 00:13:01,464 --> 00:13:04,584 Speaker 2: promoting female friendship and bonds and unity and all that 306 00:13:04,624 --> 00:13:06,464 Speaker 2: sort of stuff. And like I said, from I do 307 00:13:06,544 --> 00:13:08,784 Speaker 2: believe that they have that bond behind the scenes, but 308 00:13:09,224 --> 00:13:11,224 Speaker 2: I think to put it out there, you're really trying 309 00:13:11,264 --> 00:13:13,224 Speaker 2: to tap into this thing like everyone wants to believe 310 00:13:13,264 --> 00:13:15,424 Speaker 2: there is this idea of like women holding each other 311 00:13:15,544 --> 00:13:17,864 Speaker 2: up and supporting each other. And even when I asked 312 00:13:17,864 --> 00:13:19,944 Speaker 2: Cynthia and Ariana in the interview, they're like, yeah, like 313 00:13:20,144 --> 00:13:22,464 Speaker 2: this is stronger than ever before. Like their take on 314 00:13:22,504 --> 00:13:25,264 Speaker 2: it was very different. They're like Cynthia Arriva was saying 315 00:13:25,304 --> 00:13:26,944 Speaker 2: to me that like, as women come through into the 316 00:13:27,024 --> 00:13:29,384 Speaker 2: entertainment industry, now she thinks they lift each other up 317 00:13:29,424 --> 00:13:31,864 Speaker 2: and hold each other up more so than ever before, 318 00:13:32,344 --> 00:13:33,944 Speaker 2: and Ariana grind is like, yeah, we're not here to 319 00:13:33,984 --> 00:13:36,264 Speaker 2: be fucked with anymore. And I do think that there's 320 00:13:36,344 --> 00:13:38,264 Speaker 2: like a big group of women in the industry who 321 00:13:38,344 --> 00:13:41,384 Speaker 2: would do that, but I think probably because it's such 322 00:13:41,384 --> 00:13:43,944 Speaker 2: a cutthroat industry and you know, you do have to 323 00:13:43,984 --> 00:13:44,984 Speaker 2: step over other people. 324 00:13:45,144 --> 00:13:47,624 Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're auditioning, if you're auditioning for a role, 325 00:13:47,904 --> 00:13:50,424 Speaker 3: it's not like you can say I'm just here to 326 00:13:50,464 --> 00:13:53,704 Speaker 3: support like everyone else who's auditioning, Like you're fighting for 327 00:13:53,784 --> 00:13:56,264 Speaker 3: that role, Like you have to fight before you support. 328 00:13:56,624 --> 00:13:59,384 Speaker 3: And I think that's what we as a public don't 329 00:13:59,424 --> 00:14:02,664 Speaker 3: see that goes into Hollywood, like they're still fighting like 330 00:14:02,704 --> 00:14:04,344 Speaker 3: each other for to get to the top. 331 00:14:04,544 --> 00:14:06,504 Speaker 2: Yeah, and also it couldn't even just sit be things 332 00:14:06,544 --> 00:14:08,584 Speaker 2: behind the scenes, like you're an actress with power, but 333 00:14:08,624 --> 00:14:12,064 Speaker 2: then you also want to attach a male director to 334 00:14:12,104 --> 00:14:14,224 Speaker 2: your projects because you know that studios will give you 335 00:14:14,304 --> 00:14:16,104 Speaker 2: more money and more clout and more. You know, that 336 00:14:16,144 --> 00:14:17,944 Speaker 2: sort of stuff is happening too. That's why I think 337 00:14:17,944 --> 00:14:20,664 Speaker 2: it's really interesting that like Nicole Kimman, she does talk 338 00:14:20,664 --> 00:14:22,584 Speaker 2: about empowering women, but she doesn't make it this big 339 00:14:22,624 --> 00:14:25,224 Speaker 2: catch cry. But behind the scenes she's always working with 340 00:14:25,264 --> 00:14:28,264 Speaker 2: female directors, and you have female directors who say like, 341 00:14:28,304 --> 00:14:30,504 Speaker 2: oh yeah, Nicole called me and said, I want to 342 00:14:30,544 --> 00:14:32,504 Speaker 2: work with you. Just put my name on your next project. 343 00:14:32,544 --> 00:14:34,744 Speaker 2: That'll get it across the line. And I think they're 344 00:14:34,824 --> 00:14:38,264 Speaker 2: really extreme examples. And I think what Sydney's talking about 345 00:14:38,464 --> 00:14:40,904 Speaker 2: is that action behind the scenes, because I think it's 346 00:14:40,984 --> 00:14:43,504 Speaker 2: very easy to go onto an interview or a red 347 00:14:43,544 --> 00:14:46,104 Speaker 2: carpet or do press and say like, yeah, women support 348 00:14:46,144 --> 00:14:48,624 Speaker 2: each other, but like, are you making those calls behind 349 00:14:48,624 --> 00:14:53,544 Speaker 2: the scenes. What's interesting about this is that a few 350 00:14:53,624 --> 00:14:56,464 Speaker 2: like famous women now being asked about this at events 351 00:14:56,464 --> 00:15:00,144 Speaker 2: and on red carpets about her comments in particular, because 352 00:15:00,144 --> 00:15:02,984 Speaker 2: it's opened up this whole conversation. So at the recent 353 00:15:03,024 --> 00:15:05,144 Speaker 2: El Women in Hollywood Awards, there are a lot of 354 00:15:05,144 --> 00:15:08,024 Speaker 2: different actresses there who have been in the industry for 355 00:15:08,184 --> 00:15:11,584 Speaker 2: many decades, and because this has becomes like hot topic, 356 00:15:11,744 --> 00:15:14,504 Speaker 2: they were being asked about how they think women support 357 00:15:14,504 --> 00:15:16,944 Speaker 2: each other in the industry. So in this particular interview, 358 00:15:17,024 --> 00:15:20,304 Speaker 2: it was Rita Wilson Melanie Griffiths, mother of Madam Webb's 359 00:15:20,304 --> 00:15:22,304 Speaker 2: started Coda a Holi web. It all comes back to 360 00:15:22,304 --> 00:15:25,184 Speaker 2: Madam Webb and Rosie O'Donnell, and they were there together 361 00:15:25,224 --> 00:15:27,864 Speaker 2: and doing press together because they were presenting an award 362 00:15:27,944 --> 00:15:30,544 Speaker 2: to Demi Moore, who was their co star in Now 363 00:15:30,584 --> 00:15:31,704 Speaker 2: and Then. 364 00:15:31,224 --> 00:15:32,824 Speaker 3: Emotional Incredible Movie. 365 00:15:32,904 --> 00:15:34,984 Speaker 2: So it was obviously lovely to see those co stars 366 00:15:35,024 --> 00:15:37,304 Speaker 2: back together after all those years. They're doing press together 367 00:15:37,704 --> 00:15:40,904 Speaker 2: and a journalist from Access Hollywood asked them about Sydney 368 00:15:40,944 --> 00:15:43,784 Speaker 2: Sweeney's comments and said, you know, like, what do you 369 00:15:43,864 --> 00:15:46,624 Speaker 2: have to say about this idea that women in Hollywood 370 00:15:46,624 --> 00:15:48,704 Speaker 2: are not empowering each other in their fake and this 371 00:15:48,824 --> 00:15:49,464 Speaker 2: is what they said. 372 00:15:49,784 --> 00:15:52,664 Speaker 1: Well, he's very challenging exactly, but I can understand what 373 00:15:52,704 --> 00:15:55,144 Speaker 1: she feels because when you're young and you're starting out 374 00:15:55,184 --> 00:15:58,144 Speaker 1: and everybody puts you in competition with each other. You know, 375 00:15:58,264 --> 00:16:01,664 Speaker 1: women before Title nine nineteen seventy three weren't allowed to 376 00:16:01,664 --> 00:16:04,024 Speaker 1: play sports. We only had to play against each other. 377 00:16:04,264 --> 00:16:05,584 Speaker 1: We didn't learn teamwork. 378 00:16:05,784 --> 00:16:06,744 Speaker 3: It's only through. 379 00:16:06,584 --> 00:16:09,184 Speaker 1: The era and the attention that that brought. Although it's 380 00:16:09,224 --> 00:16:13,184 Speaker 1: not yet in the Democratic convin it's not in the constitution. 381 00:16:13,544 --> 00:16:15,784 Speaker 1: We still are half the population, but we don't have 382 00:16:15,824 --> 00:16:20,224 Speaker 1: representation in the constitution. It's absurd, but I understand what 383 00:16:20,264 --> 00:16:22,504 Speaker 1: she's saying, but I will tell her that this is 384 00:16:22,504 --> 00:16:26,024 Speaker 1: thirty years of friendship right here, and it's real and 385 00:16:26,064 --> 00:16:28,064 Speaker 1: you can find it in show business if you look. 386 00:16:28,224 --> 00:16:33,744 Speaker 5: And also sometimes just like we had groundbreakers in Gloria 387 00:16:33,824 --> 00:16:42,584 Speaker 5: Steinem and Mela Abzugan j Ready for Drown, we had 388 00:16:42,584 --> 00:16:46,064 Speaker 5: those groundbreakers, and sometimes the pendulum swims, swings to the 389 00:16:46,144 --> 00:16:49,704 Speaker 5: other direction, and sometimes you can forget that there were 390 00:16:49,744 --> 00:16:53,584 Speaker 5: people who made sacrifices beforehand. So hopefully Sidney will be 391 00:16:53,624 --> 00:16:57,184 Speaker 5: a person who comes around and understands it. 392 00:16:57,424 --> 00:17:01,384 Speaker 2: He thinks, here, yeah, okay, So that was rosy O'Donnell 393 00:17:01,464 --> 00:17:04,424 Speaker 2: and then Rada Wilson and Melanie Gris's is nodding mixed them. 394 00:17:05,824 --> 00:17:08,224 Speaker 3: What a weird question to ask like that? Is that 395 00:17:08,264 --> 00:17:12,864 Speaker 3: not a random question to ask these absolute A listers. 396 00:17:12,704 --> 00:17:15,624 Speaker 2: About Sidney Sweeney's comments. Yeah, No, I didn't think so. No, 397 00:17:15,744 --> 00:17:17,184 Speaker 2: I think it's fine. Don't you think? 398 00:17:17,424 --> 00:17:18,624 Speaker 3: I just think it's so right. 399 00:17:18,664 --> 00:17:20,144 Speaker 2: I think it's always your kind. 400 00:17:20,264 --> 00:17:22,184 Speaker 3: What does Sidney Sweeney have to do with anything? 401 00:17:22,264 --> 00:17:22,424 Speaker 5: No? 402 00:17:22,424 --> 00:17:26,024 Speaker 2: No, Because they're they're promoting like women in Hollywood and 403 00:17:26,104 --> 00:17:28,544 Speaker 2: friendship and all that, you know, like they're promoting this 404 00:17:28,624 --> 00:17:30,584 Speaker 2: idea that women support each other, and they were being 405 00:17:30,624 --> 00:17:32,704 Speaker 2: asked about that. If you watch to kind of fall 406 00:17:32,704 --> 00:17:34,464 Speaker 2: into you and they're talking about how they've done that 407 00:17:34,504 --> 00:17:37,264 Speaker 2: for each other. So I think it's actually really smart 408 00:17:37,264 --> 00:17:39,664 Speaker 2: of a journalist to say, well, you know, you guys 409 00:17:39,704 --> 00:17:41,424 Speaker 2: have been in the industry for decades and you're talking 410 00:17:41,464 --> 00:17:44,224 Speaker 2: about supporting each other. There's another actress who's making headlines 411 00:17:44,264 --> 00:17:46,344 Speaker 2: for saying that she doesn't see that side of Hollywood. 412 00:17:46,384 --> 00:17:48,584 Speaker 2: What do you think about it? And I thought their 413 00:17:48,624 --> 00:17:51,104 Speaker 2: answers were really interesting. I do think maybe it feels 414 00:17:51,184 --> 00:17:51,584 Speaker 2: very like. 415 00:17:51,584 --> 00:17:54,384 Speaker 3: Back in my day, like this is like your friendship 416 00:17:54,464 --> 00:17:56,704 Speaker 3: was about. I don't like how I think it was 417 00:17:56,824 --> 00:17:59,424 Speaker 3: Rita Wilson at the end, how she said hopefully she'll 418 00:17:59,424 --> 00:18:01,984 Speaker 3: come around. Yeah, like watch her to come around. Like 419 00:18:01,984 --> 00:18:04,984 Speaker 3: if like a woman is not supporting you, like, why 420 00:18:05,024 --> 00:18:06,624 Speaker 3: am I expected to come around? 421 00:18:07,184 --> 00:18:07,424 Speaker 4: Yeah? 422 00:18:07,464 --> 00:18:09,464 Speaker 2: I think I mean also just to you know, give 423 00:18:09,464 --> 00:18:10,984 Speaker 2: them the benefit of the doubt. It's hard to when 424 00:18:11,024 --> 00:18:12,824 Speaker 2: you're getting asked these questions on you know. 425 00:18:13,384 --> 00:18:16,224 Speaker 3: If they haven't like obviously researched is. 426 00:18:16,304 --> 00:18:19,064 Speaker 2: Rapid fire, and this kind of rapid fire questioning and 427 00:18:19,104 --> 00:18:21,264 Speaker 2: you're know you're getting pulled in this. Photographers and if 428 00:18:21,264 --> 00:18:22,984 Speaker 2: you watch the interview, it's like a very busy kind 429 00:18:22,984 --> 00:18:24,664 Speaker 2: of event. So I understand why you might not be 430 00:18:24,664 --> 00:18:27,544 Speaker 2: able to formulate her a thought. I thought Rosie's point 431 00:18:27,544 --> 00:18:29,744 Speaker 2: at first about she can see how that had happened, 432 00:18:29,744 --> 00:18:31,904 Speaker 2: because she was a really good point. Yeah, you could 433 00:18:31,944 --> 00:18:34,304 Speaker 2: be pitted against each other. But then I also don't 434 00:18:34,304 --> 00:18:36,344 Speaker 2: know if their idea of saying, oh, but like we're 435 00:18:36,384 --> 00:18:38,424 Speaker 2: all really good friends and if she just looks hard enough, 436 00:18:38,464 --> 00:18:40,344 Speaker 2: she'll find friends. And I was like, I don't want 437 00:18:40,344 --> 00:18:41,984 Speaker 2: to put words in Sydney Simy's mouth here, but I 438 00:18:41,984 --> 00:18:43,904 Speaker 2: don't think she's looking for friends. That's not what I 439 00:18:43,904 --> 00:18:45,904 Speaker 2: took away from a comments in the industry. She's looking 440 00:18:46,104 --> 00:18:48,544 Speaker 2: for other women to say like, yes, I'll support you 441 00:18:48,584 --> 00:18:50,424 Speaker 2: on getting that made, or I'll be in your movie 442 00:18:50,464 --> 00:18:52,464 Speaker 2: to like put my name on it, or I'll support 443 00:18:52,504 --> 00:18:54,304 Speaker 2: you by doing this for the press too. Are like 444 00:18:54,384 --> 00:18:57,024 Speaker 2: actions and not just you know, kind of being in 445 00:18:57,064 --> 00:18:59,224 Speaker 2: that bubble of like, but we're all friends, and like 446 00:18:59,224 --> 00:19:00,784 Speaker 2: what's the tangible side to it? 447 00:19:01,064 --> 00:19:03,904 Speaker 3: Yeah, because there's a difference between friends and then like 448 00:19:04,064 --> 00:19:08,104 Speaker 3: being in a position to support a friend or support 449 00:19:08,144 --> 00:19:10,864 Speaker 3: like a fellow woman. And it's true and I also 450 00:19:10,904 --> 00:19:13,544 Speaker 3: think because they have been in the industry for so 451 00:19:13,624 --> 00:19:17,584 Speaker 3: long and they're all so successful, Like all of them, 452 00:19:17,704 --> 00:19:19,904 Speaker 3: even though they are really really close friends and have 453 00:19:19,944 --> 00:19:22,424 Speaker 3: been supporting each other, they're all in those positions of 454 00:19:22,504 --> 00:19:24,664 Speaker 3: being able to support each other because they're all so 455 00:19:24,864 --> 00:19:26,144 Speaker 3: famous and have so much. 456 00:19:26,024 --> 00:19:29,424 Speaker 2: Power, Which is interesting because out of everyone in Hollywood, 457 00:19:29,464 --> 00:19:32,544 Speaker 2: like Rosie o'donnald I feel has talked about this idea 458 00:19:33,024 --> 00:19:36,144 Speaker 2: of women and jealousy and being pitted against each other, 459 00:19:36,824 --> 00:19:39,944 Speaker 2: especially when it comes to her relationship with Ellen Degenerous. 460 00:19:39,984 --> 00:19:41,904 Speaker 2: I'm not sure if you're across this, but like she's 461 00:19:41,944 --> 00:19:45,104 Speaker 2: given interviews where she's talked about them being friends, and 462 00:19:45,104 --> 00:19:47,264 Speaker 2: then she's talked about them having distance from each other 463 00:19:47,584 --> 00:19:50,504 Speaker 2: and alluding to the fact that, like when Ellen had 464 00:19:50,544 --> 00:19:54,024 Speaker 2: her talk show that she wasn't supporting her and all 465 00:19:54,064 --> 00:19:57,824 Speaker 2: these different things happening there, and Rosie had given interviews 466 00:19:57,864 --> 00:20:00,344 Speaker 2: after that saying I don't know if it's jealousy or 467 00:20:00,384 --> 00:20:01,864 Speaker 2: I don't know if they think there's not room for 468 00:20:01,984 --> 00:20:04,344 Speaker 2: like two women who are both lesbians in this space 469 00:20:04,384 --> 00:20:09,544 Speaker 2: in Hollywood. But there have been conversations around their changing 470 00:20:09,584 --> 00:20:12,704 Speaker 2: relationship and a lot of it Rosy in particular, has 471 00:20:12,744 --> 00:20:14,224 Speaker 2: alluded to the fact that a lot of it is 472 00:20:14,264 --> 00:20:16,784 Speaker 2: to do with this pressure from the industry about them 473 00:20:16,824 --> 00:20:19,144 Speaker 2: being pitted against each other, and then her kind of 474 00:20:19,184 --> 00:20:21,784 Speaker 2: inferring that Ellen was a part of that. So I 475 00:20:21,784 --> 00:20:24,104 Speaker 2: think that's interesting. I was, like, you've spoken about this 476 00:20:24,144 --> 00:20:26,384 Speaker 2: really eloquently in the past, and you've kind of given 477 00:20:26,464 --> 00:20:29,384 Speaker 2: us this blueprint of how this can happen when you 478 00:20:29,424 --> 00:20:32,264 Speaker 2: have these two women come up as actresses, come out 479 00:20:32,304 --> 00:20:35,824 Speaker 2: as gay, face this huge amount of backlash, be trailblazers 480 00:20:35,864 --> 00:20:39,144 Speaker 2: in this area, have this conversation about supporting each other, 481 00:20:39,184 --> 00:20:41,304 Speaker 2: and then both talk about how it kind of all 482 00:20:41,344 --> 00:20:44,184 Speaker 2: went away when their shows were in competition with each other. 483 00:20:44,224 --> 00:20:46,064 Speaker 2: Like that's boiling down a very long history just to 484 00:20:46,064 --> 00:20:48,024 Speaker 2: a few sentence. There's obviously more to it than that, 485 00:20:48,424 --> 00:20:50,984 Speaker 2: but I just think it's interesting that she's talked about that. 486 00:20:51,504 --> 00:20:55,024 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's weird that that, like she didn't bring that 487 00:20:55,224 --> 00:20:58,144 Speaker 3: up with the question, not like Ellen and specifically, but 488 00:20:58,304 --> 00:21:00,784 Speaker 3: how like she was able to relate so deeply to 489 00:21:00,864 --> 00:21:03,944 Speaker 3: that because I think the advice is like an advice 490 00:21:04,024 --> 00:21:08,024 Speaker 3: like you'd want from a coworker in the industry, which 491 00:21:08,064 --> 00:21:10,904 Speaker 3: is essentially what they are to Sydney Steinty by like 492 00:21:10,944 --> 00:21:13,184 Speaker 3: they're all working in the same industry that all women, 493 00:21:13,784 --> 00:21:18,104 Speaker 3: and the advice yet seems so mother hen like talking down, 494 00:21:18,304 --> 00:21:21,464 Speaker 3: like as to a young actor, like you'll come around, 495 00:21:21,544 --> 00:21:25,304 Speaker 3: you'll be okay, you're such a talented actor. And it 496 00:21:25,464 --> 00:21:29,144 Speaker 3: just felt like it took away the meaning of her 497 00:21:29,184 --> 00:21:33,064 Speaker 3: original comment that like she's actually quite upset that women 498 00:21:33,104 --> 00:21:36,744 Speaker 3: don't support her and the world knows about women not 499 00:21:36,784 --> 00:21:39,864 Speaker 3: supporting her so publicly, and I think it's kind of 500 00:21:40,544 --> 00:21:43,504 Speaker 3: made that more surface level when it's actually quite deep. 501 00:21:44,104 --> 00:21:44,384 Speaker 1: Yeah. 502 00:21:44,384 --> 00:21:46,544 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I just think there's still, like I feel 503 00:21:46,584 --> 00:21:48,424 Speaker 2: like there has been a little bit of backlash towards 504 00:21:48,424 --> 00:21:51,104 Speaker 2: Sidney Sweeney and saying that she's trying to like basically 505 00:21:51,104 --> 00:21:53,464 Speaker 2: it's this idea that she could have like turned Hollywood 506 00:21:53,504 --> 00:21:56,264 Speaker 2: against her because she's not tolding the company line that 507 00:21:56,344 --> 00:21:59,744 Speaker 2: everyone has decided on of saying that you know, we're 508 00:21:59,784 --> 00:22:02,384 Speaker 2: supporting each other, we're holding each other up. It's this 509 00:22:02,504 --> 00:22:05,904 Speaker 2: like friendship situation that's meant to trump everything. And I 510 00:22:05,944 --> 00:22:07,784 Speaker 2: know why so many women are leaning into that. I 511 00:22:07,784 --> 00:22:09,464 Speaker 2: think partly is because a lot of these women have 512 00:22:09,544 --> 00:22:12,824 Speaker 2: these relationships. But it really does save them from you know, 513 00:22:12,944 --> 00:22:15,704 Speaker 2: scandals around press tours and press cycles and this idea 514 00:22:15,704 --> 00:22:17,864 Speaker 2: they're being pitted against each other, like you want your 515 00:22:17,944 --> 00:22:20,304 Speaker 2: name to be in headlines because of your famous friendships, 516 00:22:20,384 --> 00:22:23,744 Speaker 2: especially because when we see people celebrities in particular, having 517 00:22:23,744 --> 00:22:27,664 Speaker 2: these friendships, it can really lift their currency and lift 518 00:22:27,744 --> 00:22:29,704 Speaker 2: both of their brands. And I think that they're very 519 00:22:29,704 --> 00:22:32,184 Speaker 2: aware of that, and the story is going in the 520 00:22:32,184 --> 00:22:35,544 Speaker 2: other direction that they're pitted against each other enemies. It 521 00:22:35,584 --> 00:22:38,144 Speaker 2: always damages their brand, unless, of course, your Taylor Swift 522 00:22:38,184 --> 00:22:40,384 Speaker 2: and you really monetize it and build an empire around 523 00:22:40,424 --> 00:22:42,784 Speaker 2: it and all that sort of stuff. But even she 524 00:22:42,824 --> 00:22:45,144 Speaker 2: has like really leaned away from that in recent years 525 00:22:45,184 --> 00:22:47,224 Speaker 2: because she can see that's not where like the court 526 00:22:47,224 --> 00:22:49,744 Speaker 2: of public opinion is going. But I think every time 527 00:22:49,904 --> 00:22:52,864 Speaker 2: potentially a woman like steps out of line away from 528 00:22:52,904 --> 00:22:55,864 Speaker 2: this thing that like Hollywood has decided, like Sydney Sweeney 529 00:22:55,984 --> 00:22:57,984 Speaker 2: saying like, actually women don't support each other, there's a 530 00:22:58,064 --> 00:23:00,544 Speaker 2: huge backlash instead of looking into what they're saying, Yeah, 531 00:23:00,584 --> 00:23:03,104 Speaker 2: contacts is so important, Yeah, exactly, and it's not exactly 532 00:23:03,184 --> 00:23:04,824 Speaker 2: the same thing, but it reminds me of how much 533 00:23:04,864 --> 00:23:08,984 Speaker 2: backlash Rachel zeglergot when they asked her about being in Shazam, 534 00:23:09,024 --> 00:23:10,624 Speaker 2: and she was like, I just needed a job. And 535 00:23:10,664 --> 00:23:13,144 Speaker 2: there was so much backlash because everyone's like, no, that's 536 00:23:13,184 --> 00:23:14,544 Speaker 2: not what you say. You say that you wanted to 537 00:23:14,584 --> 00:23:17,384 Speaker 2: pay an empowering woman, you wanted to work with Helen 538 00:23:17,424 --> 00:23:19,184 Speaker 2: Mirren and Lucy Low and like, yes, those things could 539 00:23:19,184 --> 00:23:20,624 Speaker 2: be true, but she also just needed money. 540 00:23:20,664 --> 00:23:22,904 Speaker 3: But also like that's so annoying because it's the public 541 00:23:22,904 --> 00:23:26,224 Speaker 3: going Shezam as a shit movie, Rachel Zegler saying I 542 00:23:26,264 --> 00:23:28,144 Speaker 3: need a job, and then the whole world going, how 543 00:23:28,224 --> 00:23:29,584 Speaker 3: dare you that's a great movie. 544 00:23:29,704 --> 00:23:33,544 Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of looking into this idea like that movie 545 00:23:33,744 --> 00:23:35,944 Speaker 2: or not even this is a one hundred percent not 546 00:23:35,944 --> 00:23:38,584 Speaker 2: the same thing. But even Kim Kardashian at the metgala 547 00:23:38,664 --> 00:23:41,664 Speaker 2: saying like, yeah, I starved myself for weeks and didn't 548 00:23:41,704 --> 00:23:43,984 Speaker 2: eat and anything to fit into this stress, and there 549 00:23:44,024 --> 00:23:46,984 Speaker 2: was so much uproar around that at her instead of 550 00:23:47,024 --> 00:23:49,224 Speaker 2: looking at the idea that she had just broken away 551 00:23:49,264 --> 00:23:50,944 Speaker 2: from the company line and just being like, oh, I 552 00:23:51,024 --> 00:23:52,904 Speaker 2: just run around all the time and I just look 553 00:23:52,984 --> 00:23:54,944 Speaker 2: like this, instead of saying like, oh, there's actually a 554 00:23:54,984 --> 00:23:57,864 Speaker 2: bigger problem behind the scenes here that we should address, 555 00:23:57,904 --> 00:23:59,984 Speaker 2: like you attack the woman and not the situation. And 556 00:24:00,024 --> 00:24:02,144 Speaker 2: I think that's what's happening with Sidney Sweeney a little bit. 557 00:24:02,304 --> 00:24:04,464 Speaker 2: But I just I have a real newfound respect for her. 558 00:24:04,784 --> 00:24:05,704 Speaker 2: I do wish she would. 559 00:24:05,464 --> 00:24:07,504 Speaker 3: Make That's a brave comment to see, and there's a. 560 00:24:07,424 --> 00:24:09,344 Speaker 2: Brave comment to say, especially when you're working in that 561 00:24:09,384 --> 00:24:13,224 Speaker 2: industry where you you're like potentially upsetting people in powerful 562 00:24:13,224 --> 00:24:16,104 Speaker 2: positions who you need to kind of push your career forward. 563 00:24:16,544 --> 00:24:18,424 Speaker 2: And we're just not. Not from a bitchy point of view, 564 00:24:18,504 --> 00:24:20,184 Speaker 2: I mean that as well, but I would love to 565 00:24:20,184 --> 00:24:22,624 Speaker 2: know more details on her of what she actually means 566 00:24:22,664 --> 00:24:25,384 Speaker 2: by that and what she's saying, just to understand. 567 00:24:25,064 --> 00:24:27,984 Speaker 3: She needs a memoir, right Yeah, but not because I. 568 00:24:27,904 --> 00:24:29,864 Speaker 2: Want to hear that she's fighting the Zendea or anything 569 00:24:29,864 --> 00:24:31,344 Speaker 2: like that, which I actually don't think if you think 570 00:24:31,384 --> 00:24:33,424 Speaker 2: is what she's putting out there. I would love to 571 00:24:33,424 --> 00:24:35,224 Speaker 2: have her to say, like it was a person at 572 00:24:35,224 --> 00:24:37,744 Speaker 2: this studio, this executive, or it was this director who 573 00:24:37,784 --> 00:24:39,984 Speaker 2: wouldn't do this or something like that, to understand where 574 00:24:39,984 --> 00:24:43,544 Speaker 2: the Web is coming from and Madam Web, the Madamsack 575 00:24:43,584 --> 00:24:45,904 Speaker 2: to matter, what great movie, but Yeah, I just think 576 00:24:45,944 --> 00:24:47,944 Speaker 2: it's interesting. And I also think just like, let women 577 00:24:48,104 --> 00:24:50,784 Speaker 2: say interesting things and interviews, especially young women, let them 578 00:24:50,824 --> 00:24:53,504 Speaker 2: have opinions, and so we get out of the cycle 579 00:24:53,544 --> 00:24:56,824 Speaker 2: of bland press interviews because they're so worried that any 580 00:24:56,824 --> 00:24:58,344 Speaker 2: little thing they're going to say is going to be 581 00:24:58,384 --> 00:25:00,344 Speaker 2: taken and blown up like this comment was. 582 00:25:01,104 --> 00:25:03,504 Speaker 3: Thanks so much for listening to The Spill today. If 583 00:25:03,544 --> 00:25:05,424 Speaker 3: you've been listening to us for a while, we would 584 00:25:05,504 --> 00:25:08,344 Speaker 3: love for you to leave us a five star rate 585 00:25:08,424 --> 00:25:11,144 Speaker 3: and review on whichever podcast app you listen to us 586 00:25:11,184 --> 00:25:14,184 Speaker 3: on five stars only, Please and thank you. 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