1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:14,144 Speaker 1: So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 3 00:00:18,744 --> 00:00:26,584 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on From Mamma Mia. Welcome 4 00:00:26,624 --> 00:00:29,344 Speaker 2: to The Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura 5 00:00:29,384 --> 00:00:32,104 Speaker 2: Brodney and I'm m Venham and on today's show, we 6 00:00:32,144 --> 00:00:34,984 Speaker 2: are talking about something that has been occupying my mind 7 00:00:35,184 --> 00:00:38,064 Speaker 2: and the minds of thousands of people on TikTok and 8 00:00:38,144 --> 00:00:40,664 Speaker 2: across the world, and we need to unpack it. And 9 00:00:40,704 --> 00:00:43,024 Speaker 2: that is a celebrity wedding dress that has upset people 10 00:00:43,064 --> 00:00:45,064 Speaker 2: and it's kicked off a whole new trend in conversation 11 00:00:45,344 --> 00:00:47,864 Speaker 2: and we're going to get into that, but first. 12 00:00:47,704 --> 00:00:52,024 Speaker 3: But first, Katherine Heigel, our favorite person is trending, and 13 00:00:52,104 --> 00:00:55,664 Speaker 3: yes it's because of Gray's anatomy. Katherine was recently on 14 00:00:55,744 --> 00:01:00,544 Speaker 3: Shannon Doherty's podcast and they were talking about that time 15 00:01:00,744 --> 00:01:04,984 Speaker 3: where she refused an Emmy, that time that old chestnut 16 00:01:05,464 --> 00:01:08,264 Speaker 3: that just unraveled. So I think she knew what she 17 00:01:08,344 --> 00:01:10,664 Speaker 3: was doing here, but she was like, I don't know 18 00:01:10,704 --> 00:01:13,984 Speaker 3: any person except for you that turns down an Emmy nomination. 19 00:01:14,664 --> 00:01:17,424 Speaker 3: And straight away Catherine was like, well I didn't and 20 00:01:17,504 --> 00:01:19,824 Speaker 3: everybody keep saying that I didn't turn it down. 21 00:01:20,264 --> 00:01:21,584 Speaker 4: It's actually quite heated. 22 00:01:21,904 --> 00:01:24,104 Speaker 3: But then they kind of like talk about how I 23 00:01:24,144 --> 00:01:26,864 Speaker 3: think it was in two thousand and eight where Catherine 24 00:01:26,944 --> 00:01:29,864 Speaker 3: released a statement saying that she felt like her character 25 00:01:30,024 --> 00:01:33,344 Speaker 3: wasn't written well enough to warrant an Emmy. So on 26 00:01:33,384 --> 00:01:36,064 Speaker 3: the podcast, she was saying that you have to submit yourself. 27 00:01:36,064 --> 00:01:38,664 Speaker 3: You submit your work and then people decide if you 28 00:01:38,664 --> 00:01:41,344 Speaker 3: get an Emmy nomination or not. And she just decided 29 00:01:41,384 --> 00:01:42,544 Speaker 3: not to submit her work. 30 00:01:42,864 --> 00:01:43,864 Speaker 4: But then after. 31 00:01:43,664 --> 00:01:46,704 Speaker 3: Talking about it, she did admit that she regrets that 32 00:01:46,744 --> 00:01:50,104 Speaker 3: whole statement coming out because I think it did unravel. 33 00:01:49,664 --> 00:01:52,784 Speaker 2: Her entire career. I mean, she was one of the 34 00:01:52,824 --> 00:01:55,824 Speaker 2: big breakout stars in Gray's Anatomy. She had previously won 35 00:01:55,864 --> 00:01:57,624 Speaker 2: an Emmy for her work on the show, and that 36 00:01:57,664 --> 00:01:59,184 Speaker 2: was a huge deal because when you have such a 37 00:01:59,184 --> 00:02:01,904 Speaker 2: big ensemble cast like that, it's hard to get your 38 00:02:01,944 --> 00:02:04,544 Speaker 2: own awards space if you're in the supporting category that 39 00:02:04,584 --> 00:02:06,624 Speaker 2: she was in. And then she started making all of 40 00:02:06,664 --> 00:02:09,224 Speaker 2: these big movies and really blew up, and when people 41 00:02:09,264 --> 00:02:11,344 Speaker 2: found out that she wasn't in the Emmy's race, and 42 00:02:11,384 --> 00:02:13,424 Speaker 2: it was such a big deal because she had previously 43 00:02:13,544 --> 00:02:17,144 Speaker 2: won awards and was a breakout cast member, and I 44 00:02:17,264 --> 00:02:20,824 Speaker 2: so remember her words just going everywhere because she said 45 00:02:20,824 --> 00:02:22,984 Speaker 2: that she didn't feel that she as an actress, had 46 00:02:23,024 --> 00:02:26,824 Speaker 2: been given the material to warrant a nomination, and that's 47 00:02:26,864 --> 00:02:28,704 Speaker 2: where the whole thing blew up. And after that she 48 00:02:28,744 --> 00:02:32,024 Speaker 2: was released from her contract and that was the beginning 49 00:02:32,024 --> 00:02:34,184 Speaker 2: of this big downfall of her careers, of her like 50 00:02:34,224 --> 00:02:36,464 Speaker 2: not working in TV in film for a while. That's 51 00:02:36,464 --> 00:02:38,544 Speaker 2: such a close knitche show. So it's so interesting that 52 00:02:38,584 --> 00:02:42,864 Speaker 2: she's the only cast member that Shonda Rimes has spoken 53 00:02:42,904 --> 00:02:46,264 Speaker 2: out badly about, and so that she revamped the whole 54 00:02:46,304 --> 00:02:48,384 Speaker 2: way that the show was cast and done to have 55 00:02:48,464 --> 00:02:50,984 Speaker 2: a no asshole's policy. But she calls it, this is 56 00:02:50,984 --> 00:02:53,824 Speaker 2: her own words, the no Heigel's policy, And even like 57 00:02:53,904 --> 00:02:56,984 Speaker 2: Ellen Pompeo and other cast members spoke out against her, 58 00:02:56,984 --> 00:02:59,224 Speaker 2: they've kind of like changed their mind now. But it 59 00:02:59,304 --> 00:03:01,824 Speaker 2: was such a huge thing of her being like very 60 00:03:02,024 --> 00:03:03,504 Speaker 2: centered away from this cast. 61 00:03:03,704 --> 00:03:05,584 Speaker 3: Yeah, I did feel a bit so for her listening 62 00:03:05,624 --> 00:03:07,704 Speaker 3: to that interview. She did say that she should have 63 00:03:07,744 --> 00:03:10,904 Speaker 3: said something like, oh, I forgot to submit my just 64 00:03:10,944 --> 00:03:13,464 Speaker 3: so that whole thing didn't happen, But The thing is. 65 00:03:13,424 --> 00:03:15,904 Speaker 2: There's no really good way out of that, because even 66 00:03:15,944 --> 00:03:17,784 Speaker 2: if she'd said she forgot, that's not a thing that 67 00:03:17,824 --> 00:03:20,664 Speaker 2: happens in the Endy's race, because like the network has 68 00:03:20,704 --> 00:03:24,064 Speaker 2: to get behind your nomination. You select an episode and 69 00:03:24,064 --> 00:03:26,704 Speaker 2: you send it in and there's like a long list, 70 00:03:26,744 --> 00:03:28,504 Speaker 2: and then there's a short list of voting. Like it's 71 00:03:28,504 --> 00:03:30,144 Speaker 2: not like, oh, you missed this one cut off and 72 00:03:30,184 --> 00:03:32,344 Speaker 2: it's done. There's so many steps, So no one would 73 00:03:32,344 --> 00:03:34,304 Speaker 2: have believed that that would have made it so much worse. 74 00:03:34,384 --> 00:03:37,104 Speaker 3: She did double down at the end, though, from her 75 00:03:37,144 --> 00:03:39,984 Speaker 3: original statement. She said, I was kind of trying to 76 00:03:40,024 --> 00:03:42,304 Speaker 3: make a bit of a snarky point about my material 77 00:03:42,344 --> 00:03:45,224 Speaker 3: that year, but I was also just not feeling my material. 78 00:03:45,464 --> 00:03:48,144 Speaker 1: I just didn't submit my work that year, and I 79 00:03:48,184 --> 00:03:49,664 Speaker 1: should you know, I don't know. My mother and I 80 00:03:49,744 --> 00:03:50,784 Speaker 1: were talking about this recently. 81 00:03:50,824 --> 00:03:51,744 Speaker 5: I should have said nothing. 82 00:03:51,824 --> 00:03:54,824 Speaker 1: I should have said nothing. I should have just said, oh, 83 00:03:54,824 --> 00:03:58,384 Speaker 1: I forgot, because it created such a maelstrom that was 84 00:03:58,424 --> 00:04:02,544 Speaker 1: so unnecessary, and it really was. Yeah, I was kind 85 00:04:02,544 --> 00:04:04,264 Speaker 1: of trying to make a bit of a snarky point 86 00:04:04,424 --> 00:04:07,064 Speaker 1: about my material that year, but I was also just 87 00:04:07,224 --> 00:04:10,504 Speaker 1: not feeling my material. I didn't think I had anything 88 00:04:11,064 --> 00:04:15,624 Speaker 1: that warranted even the consideration for a nomination. I just 89 00:04:15,864 --> 00:04:17,104 Speaker 1: wasn't proud of my work. 90 00:04:17,584 --> 00:04:19,984 Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm just kind of full three things. No 91 00:04:20,104 --> 00:04:22,664 Speaker 2: way a hidden statement. She was like, trying to make 92 00:04:22,664 --> 00:04:25,184 Speaker 2: a statement. You did make a statement just to defend 93 00:04:25,224 --> 00:04:27,264 Speaker 2: Catherine Heigel, because I think a lot of stuff has 94 00:04:27,264 --> 00:04:29,704 Speaker 2: come out about her then now that people sort of 95 00:04:29,744 --> 00:04:31,664 Speaker 2: view her in a different light, and that is that. 96 00:04:31,784 --> 00:04:34,264 Speaker 2: She also went on a bunch of talk shows around 97 00:04:34,264 --> 00:04:36,104 Speaker 2: that time in the lead up and was talking about 98 00:04:36,104 --> 00:04:39,024 Speaker 2: how horrible the conditions were and the hours and they 99 00:04:39,024 --> 00:04:41,784 Speaker 2: were treated badly, and she said on live TV shows, 100 00:04:41,784 --> 00:04:43,224 Speaker 2: She's like, I hope they see this, and I hope 101 00:04:43,264 --> 00:04:46,104 Speaker 2: they feel embarrassed, and I hope they're ashamed. And she 102 00:04:46,184 --> 00:04:48,024 Speaker 2: got called up for being a diva. So the Emmy 103 00:04:48,104 --> 00:04:50,744 Speaker 2: thing just made it worse. But then later on, people 104 00:04:50,784 --> 00:04:53,344 Speaker 2: like Ellen Pompero, who plays Meredith, and Kate Wals she 105 00:04:53,344 --> 00:04:56,344 Speaker 2: plays Addison, have said publicly that they judged her at 106 00:04:56,384 --> 00:04:58,624 Speaker 2: the time, but now they realized that she was just 107 00:04:58,624 --> 00:05:01,144 Speaker 2: doing what needed to be done and they regret standing 108 00:05:01,144 --> 00:05:01,704 Speaker 2: against her. 109 00:05:01,784 --> 00:05:04,064 Speaker 4: So it's always a interesting woman. It's always a first 110 00:05:04,064 --> 00:05:04,744 Speaker 4: one exactly. 111 00:05:04,744 --> 00:05:05,504 Speaker 5: That's what Ellen said. 112 00:05:05,544 --> 00:05:07,064 Speaker 2: She was like she was just too far ahead of 113 00:05:07,064 --> 00:05:09,424 Speaker 2: her time, like nowadays everyone to be like, yeah, stand 114 00:05:09,504 --> 00:05:10,224 Speaker 2: up for yourself. 115 00:05:10,424 --> 00:05:12,464 Speaker 3: If you want to listen to the full interview, we 116 00:05:12,544 --> 00:05:13,784 Speaker 3: will link that podcast. 117 00:05:13,784 --> 00:05:17,944 Speaker 2: In her notes, I'm going to preface this next part 118 00:05:18,424 --> 00:05:21,224 Speaker 2: by saying that I know this story is a little 119 00:05:21,224 --> 00:05:23,104 Speaker 2: bit petty and a bit ridiculous on. 120 00:05:22,984 --> 00:05:25,584 Speaker 4: A low brow a little yeah, but it has blown up. 121 00:05:25,624 --> 00:05:27,704 Speaker 2: I think it's some interesting look at I'm defending it already. 122 00:05:27,704 --> 00:05:29,464 Speaker 2: I'm defending it because I'm the one who wanted to 123 00:05:29,504 --> 00:05:31,864 Speaker 2: do it, and I think it's opened up an interesting conversation. 124 00:05:32,264 --> 00:05:34,944 Speaker 2: And it is around the wedding dress of Olivia Coppo. 125 00:05:35,384 --> 00:05:37,024 Speaker 4: I barely know who that person. 126 00:05:37,064 --> 00:05:37,824 Speaker 5: I'm glad you said that. 127 00:05:37,904 --> 00:05:39,784 Speaker 3: The only reason I know who she is just because 128 00:05:39,784 --> 00:05:41,784 Speaker 3: I follow her on Instagram. I can't tell you why 129 00:05:41,824 --> 00:05:42,504 Speaker 3: I follow. 130 00:05:42,224 --> 00:05:44,344 Speaker 5: Her and follow her on Instagram, not even I do that. 131 00:05:44,424 --> 00:05:45,104 Speaker 4: It feels like it was. 132 00:05:45,104 --> 00:05:47,024 Speaker 3: One of those accounts that when you join Instagram you 133 00:05:47,104 --> 00:05:48,584 Speaker 3: automatically follow, like. 134 00:05:48,544 --> 00:05:49,984 Speaker 4: It's the first one that pops up. 135 00:05:50,344 --> 00:05:52,144 Speaker 2: Okay, I love how you're asking me who she is, 136 00:05:52,144 --> 00:05:53,784 Speaker 2: but you follow her on Instagram. I don't know who 137 00:05:53,784 --> 00:05:55,144 Speaker 2: she is still Okay, well I'm about to tell you 138 00:05:55,184 --> 00:05:56,224 Speaker 2: we're very beautiful. 139 00:05:56,224 --> 00:05:56,744 Speaker 4: I will say that. 140 00:05:56,784 --> 00:05:58,864 Speaker 2: Well, that is how she has made her fame because 141 00:05:58,864 --> 00:06:01,624 Speaker 2: she won Miss Universe. She was the American entrant for that, 142 00:06:01,984 --> 00:06:03,904 Speaker 2: and then she was on like a bunch of reality 143 00:06:03,944 --> 00:06:07,464 Speaker 2: shows called Model Squad. She's had smaller roles in movies 144 00:06:07,504 --> 00:06:10,264 Speaker 2: like The Other Woman, I Feel Pretty Reprisal, and then 145 00:06:10,424 --> 00:06:12,904 Speaker 2: she built like a massive social media following, as you're saying, 146 00:06:12,984 --> 00:06:14,304 Speaker 2: kind of one of those people who was in on 147 00:06:14,304 --> 00:06:17,184 Speaker 2: the ground floor of like being an Instagram influencer, a 148 00:06:17,224 --> 00:06:19,064 Speaker 2: YouTube or a TikTok or all those kind of things. 149 00:06:19,104 --> 00:06:20,104 Speaker 4: She's got those contacts. 150 00:06:20,144 --> 00:06:22,024 Speaker 2: Yeah, she and her sisters at one stage, we're going 151 00:06:22,064 --> 00:06:24,024 Speaker 2: to be the next Kardashians. It didn't quite take off 152 00:06:24,024 --> 00:06:26,144 Speaker 2: because they had a reality TV series called The Corpo 153 00:06:26,224 --> 00:06:28,464 Speaker 2: Sisters because a couple of them and they're all very pretty. 154 00:06:28,504 --> 00:06:30,624 Speaker 2: It's not enough though, and sometimes they fight. I think 155 00:06:30,664 --> 00:06:32,184 Speaker 2: it had a bit of a following, Like I feel 156 00:06:32,184 --> 00:06:33,544 Speaker 2: like people are into it, and it kind of put 157 00:06:33,584 --> 00:06:35,984 Speaker 2: her sisters into the spotlight. Not that we wanted to 158 00:06:36,024 --> 00:06:37,384 Speaker 2: find a woe by a man, but I think a 159 00:06:37,384 --> 00:06:39,864 Speaker 2: lot of people were first introduced to her if they 160 00:06:39,904 --> 00:06:42,424 Speaker 2: weren't following her from Miss Universe, is that she dated 161 00:06:42,464 --> 00:06:45,664 Speaker 2: Nick Jonas for quite a while and she moved to LA. 162 00:06:45,944 --> 00:06:48,064 Speaker 2: She's from Rhode Island. She moved to LA to be 163 00:06:48,224 --> 00:06:51,064 Speaker 2: with him, and they were photographed on red carpets and 164 00:06:51,064 --> 00:06:53,184 Speaker 2: this whole big love story, and she said since that 165 00:06:53,344 --> 00:06:55,264 Speaker 2: she thought they were going to get married. Then they 166 00:06:55,304 --> 00:06:57,304 Speaker 2: broke up and she was left alone in LA with 167 00:06:57,344 --> 00:06:59,504 Speaker 2: like no contacts, no people because all of her friends 168 00:06:59,544 --> 00:07:02,904 Speaker 2: were his friends, and no money. So on her reality show, 169 00:07:02,944 --> 00:07:05,344 Speaker 2: which I have watched clips of, there's moments where she's 170 00:07:05,344 --> 00:07:07,024 Speaker 2: talking about breaking up with Nick because she hadn't really 171 00:07:07,024 --> 00:07:09,504 Speaker 2: talked about it before in depth, had broken up with 172 00:07:09,624 --> 00:07:11,464 Speaker 2: Nick and saying like her whole world fall apart, and 173 00:07:11,504 --> 00:07:13,464 Speaker 2: she would just loan this apartment that she was renting 174 00:07:13,504 --> 00:07:16,024 Speaker 2: that she now couldn't afford, just staring at the ceiling, 175 00:07:16,144 --> 00:07:17,744 Speaker 2: just being like, what has happened? Like I thought I 176 00:07:17,784 --> 00:07:19,184 Speaker 2: was going to marry this man, and now my whole 177 00:07:19,224 --> 00:07:20,104 Speaker 2: life has fallen apart. 178 00:07:20,344 --> 00:07:22,904 Speaker 3: My god, pri uncle Chopa. 179 00:07:23,824 --> 00:07:26,264 Speaker 5: There was a big gap between her and episode. 180 00:07:26,264 --> 00:07:27,784 Speaker 3: I should just say, I wonder if that was a 181 00:07:27,784 --> 00:07:30,304 Speaker 3: relation del two of them. 182 00:07:30,344 --> 00:07:31,424 Speaker 5: So we didn't tinking how to feel. 183 00:07:31,424 --> 00:07:33,424 Speaker 3: Was HER's a good room where he stopped wearing his 184 00:07:33,464 --> 00:07:33,984 Speaker 3: purity ring. 185 00:07:34,104 --> 00:07:36,704 Speaker 2: I think it might have been Delta good fire girl, 186 00:07:36,744 --> 00:07:39,944 Speaker 2: what a great what a great go back anyway, Yah, 187 00:07:39,984 --> 00:07:41,904 Speaker 2: that's not where thought it was gonna go anyway. So 188 00:07:42,104 --> 00:07:44,144 Speaker 2: there's been a big build up to her wedding because 189 00:07:44,304 --> 00:07:46,664 Speaker 2: she's marrying someone that we might not be across, but 190 00:07:46,824 --> 00:07:49,224 Speaker 2: he's on the San Francisco forty nine ers. He's a 191 00:07:49,304 --> 00:07:53,104 Speaker 2: running back that's football, Christian McCaffrey. And I think it's 192 00:07:53,104 --> 00:07:53,904 Speaker 2: a whole thing of like. 193 00:07:54,144 --> 00:07:54,864 Speaker 4: Thought man big. 194 00:07:55,104 --> 00:07:57,104 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of those things of like these two 195 00:07:57,144 --> 00:08:00,104 Speaker 2: famous people, her from like modeling and social media and 196 00:08:00,184 --> 00:08:02,264 Speaker 2: him from football coming together. They've been a bit of 197 00:08:02,264 --> 00:08:04,384 Speaker 2: a power couple. So there was a lot of build 198 00:08:04,464 --> 00:08:07,144 Speaker 2: up to their wedding recently, and of course Vogue was 199 00:08:07,144 --> 00:08:09,744 Speaker 2: invited to share all the photos and they did interviews 200 00:08:09,744 --> 00:08:10,744 Speaker 2: and did this big she is. 201 00:08:10,824 --> 00:08:12,944 Speaker 3: So Vogue, Like when you look at her, you're like, 202 00:08:13,024 --> 00:08:13,704 Speaker 3: that's Vogue. 203 00:08:13,824 --> 00:08:15,664 Speaker 2: Well they agreed because I did a big photo spread. 204 00:08:15,904 --> 00:08:18,544 Speaker 2: But this is where the drama kicked off. So her 205 00:08:18,544 --> 00:08:20,744 Speaker 2: wedding dress, I gotta say it like I wasn't super 206 00:08:20,744 --> 00:08:21,344 Speaker 2: across que. 207 00:08:21,384 --> 00:08:21,744 Speaker 1: She is like. 208 00:08:21,784 --> 00:08:24,504 Speaker 2: I've been seeing her around, like you know, tabloid celebrity years, 209 00:08:24,504 --> 00:08:26,584 Speaker 2: for many, many years, and when I saw her dress, 210 00:08:26,584 --> 00:08:28,704 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, that's really nice, but it's not 211 00:08:28,744 --> 00:08:30,744 Speaker 2: what I expected her to wear. But it looked gorgeous 212 00:08:30,784 --> 00:08:32,944 Speaker 2: from my point of view. So Vogue gran a big 213 00:08:32,944 --> 00:08:35,744 Speaker 2: glossy feature on her wedding. Call the story behind Olivia 214 00:08:35,784 --> 00:08:39,264 Speaker 2: Colbo's traditional adult chain cabana ballgown for her Rhode Island wedding. 215 00:08:39,624 --> 00:08:41,944 Speaker 2: So we'll post a photo of this to these spill 216 00:08:42,024 --> 00:08:43,504 Speaker 2: podcast feeds so we can have a look at it. 217 00:08:43,784 --> 00:08:46,984 Speaker 2: But it's a long sleeved white adult chain of banna gown. 218 00:08:47,064 --> 00:08:50,344 Speaker 2: It's got a very high, slightly scooped neckline that you're 219 00:08:50,344 --> 00:08:53,384 Speaker 2: only seeing neck, no boobs, no collar bone, nothing long 220 00:08:53,464 --> 00:08:56,064 Speaker 2: sleeved so like right down, kind of like the material 221 00:08:56,104 --> 00:08:59,264 Speaker 2: coming over her hands and a very long bell shaped 222 00:08:59,264 --> 00:09:02,184 Speaker 2: ballgown skirt touching the ground, so you're only seeing her 223 00:09:02,224 --> 00:09:05,664 Speaker 2: hands and her face peeking out from this white concoction. 224 00:09:05,864 --> 00:09:07,464 Speaker 3: I don't know if this is a mean comment, but 225 00:09:07,504 --> 00:09:10,864 Speaker 3: the only way I can describe it is if weddings 226 00:09:10,944 --> 00:09:13,864 Speaker 3: happened in the Handmaid's Tale, that would be the dress 227 00:09:14,024 --> 00:09:16,984 Speaker 3: they would wear, because I did see the follow on Instagram, 228 00:09:17,224 --> 00:09:18,584 Speaker 3: but I did see the wedding dress. 229 00:09:18,584 --> 00:09:18,984 Speaker 4: I saw that. 230 00:09:19,144 --> 00:09:21,904 Speaker 3: Video of her putting the whole thing on. Every other 231 00:09:21,904 --> 00:09:24,144 Speaker 3: photo I've seen of her is like very sexy, Like 232 00:09:24,224 --> 00:09:28,384 Speaker 3: she has a beautiful body, she's stunning. She always wears 233 00:09:28,424 --> 00:09:31,104 Speaker 3: like tight clothes, bikini. She's not a very fash She's 234 00:09:31,144 --> 00:09:32,984 Speaker 3: not afraid of a cutout dress, That's what I'm saying. 235 00:09:33,024 --> 00:09:35,104 Speaker 4: So I was a bit like, Oh, this is different. 236 00:09:35,224 --> 00:09:38,424 Speaker 3: It is conservative. But because she's also such like high 237 00:09:38,584 --> 00:09:41,064 Speaker 3: end like fashion, I was like, oh, maybe this is 238 00:09:41,104 --> 00:09:42,544 Speaker 3: just what everyone's doing right now. 239 00:09:42,784 --> 00:09:45,664 Speaker 2: Yes, But it wasn't the dress itself that people got 240 00:09:45,824 --> 00:09:48,864 Speaker 2: very upset about. It was the quotes in the Vogue article. 241 00:09:49,184 --> 00:09:51,544 Speaker 2: So she said that she wanted a dress that was 242 00:09:51,584 --> 00:09:54,744 Speaker 2: as serious as the commitment she was making. So basically, 243 00:09:54,784 --> 00:09:57,464 Speaker 2: she's saying that we're getting married. You know, we're making 244 00:09:57,504 --> 00:09:59,624 Speaker 2: this vow to each other. I take it very seriously, 245 00:09:59,664 --> 00:10:02,264 Speaker 2: and I wanted a dress that reflected I guess, like 246 00:10:02,304 --> 00:10:04,744 Speaker 2: how intense and big this decision was. And then she 247 00:10:04,784 --> 00:10:06,224 Speaker 2: went on to say that she had a very clear 248 00:10:06,264 --> 00:10:08,184 Speaker 2: idea from the beginning of what she wanted for her 249 00:10:08,224 --> 00:10:08,984 Speaker 2: ceremony dress. 250 00:10:09,024 --> 00:10:09,984 Speaker 5: It should be saying. 251 00:10:09,784 --> 00:10:11,624 Speaker 2: That she had a few dresses and this was the 252 00:10:11,624 --> 00:10:14,064 Speaker 2: one for the ceremony, And she said, I didn't want 253 00:10:14,104 --> 00:10:17,264 Speaker 2: to exude sex in any way, shape or form. I 254 00:10:17,304 --> 00:10:19,984 Speaker 2: wanted it to feel effortless, as if it was complimenting me, 255 00:10:20,184 --> 00:10:24,064 Speaker 2: not overpowering me. There's so much beauty and simplicity. When 256 00:10:24,064 --> 00:10:25,984 Speaker 2: I think about Christian and what he loves and the 257 00:10:25,984 --> 00:10:29,064 Speaker 2: moments he thinks I'm my most beautiful, it's absolutely in 258 00:10:29,104 --> 00:10:33,744 Speaker 2: something like this, timeless, covered and elegant. And so this 259 00:10:33,824 --> 00:10:36,264 Speaker 2: is where some people have been upset because they're saying 260 00:10:36,304 --> 00:10:40,264 Speaker 2: that she's equating marriage to like looking a certain way, 261 00:10:40,624 --> 00:10:43,184 Speaker 2: and that people who are more covered up and more 262 00:10:43,184 --> 00:10:46,384 Speaker 2: demure for their wedding day are taking their marriage more 263 00:10:46,424 --> 00:10:49,184 Speaker 2: seriously than say a woman who wears a strapless dress 264 00:10:49,304 --> 00:10:51,464 Speaker 2: or has a low cut hemline, or even a short 265 00:10:51,544 --> 00:10:53,584 Speaker 2: dress or anything like that. And so there are a 266 00:10:53,584 --> 00:10:56,424 Speaker 2: lot of comments going around. But then one particular video 267 00:10:56,464 --> 00:10:59,104 Speaker 2: started going viral on TikTok, and it was by a 268 00:10:59,104 --> 00:11:05,504 Speaker 2: wedding stylist called Kenny Bingham, who is called gown eyed Girl. 269 00:11:06,184 --> 00:11:08,504 Speaker 4: Oh that's really very cool. I hope the trademark. 270 00:11:08,824 --> 00:11:13,064 Speaker 2: She basically said that Olivia was pushing and marketing this 271 00:11:13,224 --> 00:11:17,144 Speaker 2: very conservative agenda. She also said the dress had no personality, 272 00:11:17,184 --> 00:11:19,824 Speaker 2: but went on to say that it was very much 273 00:11:20,064 --> 00:11:22,664 Speaker 2: a pick me dress. And she was also talking about 274 00:11:22,664 --> 00:11:26,264 Speaker 2: in the article when Olivia is talking about her makeup, 275 00:11:26,424 --> 00:11:28,424 Speaker 2: she's saying that she didn't want to like look like 276 00:11:28,424 --> 00:11:30,744 Speaker 2: she had makeup on, so she's got no miscaa, no 277 00:11:30,864 --> 00:11:33,104 Speaker 2: lip liner, and she went and listed all of these 278 00:11:33,144 --> 00:11:37,104 Speaker 2: different makeup things that she's not wearing. And so basically 279 00:11:37,144 --> 00:11:39,144 Speaker 2: this video went viral of her saying that she's a 280 00:11:39,184 --> 00:11:41,064 Speaker 2: pick me girl. So a picck me girl is someone 281 00:11:41,384 --> 00:11:43,064 Speaker 2: you're a Childibi Interne, would you just. 282 00:11:43,224 --> 00:11:44,864 Speaker 4: Call me a pic me girl? Like you're a pic 283 00:11:44,984 --> 00:11:45,344 Speaker 4: me girl? 284 00:11:45,504 --> 00:11:47,664 Speaker 5: I want to say, you tell the people a pic me. 285 00:11:47,744 --> 00:11:52,184 Speaker 3: Girl is that girl who isn't like a girl's girl, 286 00:11:52,424 --> 00:11:54,864 Speaker 3: Like their whole role is kind of to just like 287 00:11:54,984 --> 00:11:57,904 Speaker 3: impress men and be like I also love sports, like 288 00:11:57,984 --> 00:12:00,584 Speaker 3: I like I don't have any girlfriends or my friends 289 00:12:00,584 --> 00:12:00,984 Speaker 3: are guys. 290 00:12:01,144 --> 00:12:04,384 Speaker 2: I kind of with the guys and saying something like 291 00:12:04,464 --> 00:12:06,504 Speaker 2: I don't wear makeup, I don't. 292 00:12:06,344 --> 00:12:08,504 Speaker 3: Really drink beer, like I don't like wine like, I 293 00:12:08,504 --> 00:12:09,344 Speaker 3: don't even know what that is. 294 00:12:09,464 --> 00:12:12,024 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, I don't watch reality TV. I'm all about 295 00:12:12,024 --> 00:12:13,064 Speaker 2: the sports and hanging out with. 296 00:12:13,064 --> 00:12:15,824 Speaker 4: You and makeup ill like, yeah, I just wear nothing 297 00:12:15,864 --> 00:12:16,144 Speaker 4: like this. 298 00:12:16,064 --> 00:12:19,304 Speaker 2: Is me, naturally, someone who throws other women under the bus, 299 00:12:19,304 --> 00:12:20,904 Speaker 2: the classic I'm not like the other girls. 300 00:12:21,024 --> 00:12:21,264 Speaker 5: I'm not. 301 00:12:22,504 --> 00:12:24,384 Speaker 4: Oh, I hate talking about with me girls. 302 00:12:24,624 --> 00:12:27,864 Speaker 2: And so this video started going completely viral with people. 303 00:12:27,944 --> 00:12:31,304 Speaker 2: I basically agree that Olivia was shaming other women with 304 00:12:31,344 --> 00:12:33,544 Speaker 2: her wedding dress and also being a pick me girl 305 00:12:33,824 --> 00:12:36,104 Speaker 2: a lot tied up in adult chain cabana dress that 306 00:12:36,264 --> 00:12:37,704 Speaker 2: was just espuching them. 307 00:12:37,584 --> 00:12:39,464 Speaker 3: Like I feel like because I think I did see 308 00:12:39,464 --> 00:12:41,744 Speaker 3: a comment from her where she was just like they 309 00:12:41,784 --> 00:12:43,544 Speaker 3: literally asked me what makeup I was wearing. 310 00:12:43,584 --> 00:12:44,944 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the next bit of the story. 311 00:12:45,024 --> 00:12:47,224 Speaker 2: Also, people were pointing out that adult Changkabanna have a 312 00:12:47,304 --> 00:12:50,424 Speaker 2: very problematic history and have said some completely homophobic and 313 00:12:50,504 --> 00:12:52,624 Speaker 2: terrible things, So that was in there that would be 314 00:12:52,624 --> 00:12:55,504 Speaker 2: a bit understandable. People talking about the history like they 315 00:12:55,544 --> 00:12:58,504 Speaker 2: did when Courtney cut call out, Yeah, when Courtney Kudashian 316 00:12:58,504 --> 00:13:00,984 Speaker 2: wore adulte at her wedding. But this was more about 317 00:13:01,024 --> 00:13:03,144 Speaker 2: the pick me and the idea that she was equating 318 00:13:03,384 --> 00:13:05,944 Speaker 2: being serious about your marriage what you look like. So 319 00:13:06,064 --> 00:13:08,824 Speaker 2: Olivia obviously saw the video because it went everywhere, and 320 00:13:08,824 --> 00:13:11,264 Speaker 2: then like heaps of outlets started right about the backlash, 321 00:13:11,264 --> 00:13:13,544 Speaker 2: people were showing their own videos. It basically picked up 322 00:13:13,784 --> 00:13:16,584 Speaker 2: a huge amount of momentum. The days following her wedding, 323 00:13:16,864 --> 00:13:20,984 Speaker 2: Olivia Cooppo commented, WHOA, what an absolutely evil person you are. 324 00:13:21,144 --> 00:13:23,184 Speaker 2: So she's just not holding back. This pick me girl 325 00:13:23,264 --> 00:13:25,864 Speaker 2: is angry. She said, I hope no one ever tears 326 00:13:25,904 --> 00:13:28,584 Speaker 2: you apart in this way because it's extremely hurtful. I 327 00:13:28,624 --> 00:13:30,904 Speaker 2: love this dress. It was everything I wanted and more. 328 00:13:31,184 --> 00:13:33,344 Speaker 2: Her husband also jumped on and said, what an evil 329 00:13:33,344 --> 00:13:35,344 Speaker 2: thing to post online. I hope you can find joy 330 00:13:35,344 --> 00:13:37,424 Speaker 2: and peace in the world the way my beautiful wife does. 331 00:13:37,424 --> 00:13:37,584 Speaker 3: Well. 332 00:13:37,584 --> 00:13:40,024 Speaker 2: That's cute of them. And then when everyone was talking 333 00:13:40,064 --> 00:13:43,544 Speaker 2: about her makeup look, she wrote underneath it was an 334 00:13:43,584 --> 00:13:45,744 Speaker 2: interview about my makeup, so I told them what I 335 00:13:45,824 --> 00:13:49,224 Speaker 2: was wearing coming up next. The backlash continues, but there 336 00:13:49,264 --> 00:13:51,384 Speaker 2: are some other celebrity brides who have also been called 337 00:13:51,384 --> 00:13:53,144 Speaker 2: out for their wedding dresses. Dana Nana. 338 00:13:54,864 --> 00:13:58,024 Speaker 3: So when I first saw this whole story, blow out. 339 00:13:58,104 --> 00:14:00,624 Speaker 3: I think because I am nowhere near the stage of 340 00:14:00,704 --> 00:14:03,224 Speaker 3: wedding that when I first saw the video, I was like, 341 00:14:03,464 --> 00:14:05,584 Speaker 3: oh cool, this must be in for wedding dresses. 342 00:14:05,584 --> 00:14:05,824 Speaker 4: Now. 343 00:14:06,184 --> 00:14:08,984 Speaker 3: I didn't know it was going to be this big 344 00:14:09,104 --> 00:14:11,744 Speaker 3: of an issue which so much many people. So who 345 00:14:11,784 --> 00:14:14,544 Speaker 3: do we actually think is like hating on this dress? 346 00:14:14,584 --> 00:14:16,624 Speaker 3: Is it like brides who have been married in like 347 00:14:16,664 --> 00:14:19,424 Speaker 3: a more like strapless dress or the brides who are 348 00:14:19,464 --> 00:14:21,544 Speaker 3: about to get married and they realize that that's not 349 00:14:21,584 --> 00:14:22,384 Speaker 3: the dress they bought. 350 00:14:22,544 --> 00:14:24,424 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it's the dress itself. I think 351 00:14:24,424 --> 00:14:26,824 Speaker 2: it's completely the common the meaning behind she put one 352 00:14:26,904 --> 00:14:29,104 Speaker 2: hundred percent because she gave that interview and because the 353 00:14:29,184 --> 00:14:32,224 Speaker 2: Vogue headline is the story behind this dress. At different 354 00:14:32,224 --> 00:14:34,544 Speaker 2: points in the interview, she keeps going back to I'm 355 00:14:34,584 --> 00:14:37,264 Speaker 2: serious about my wedding. This is what I think shows 356 00:14:37,264 --> 00:14:41,144 Speaker 2: my real commitment and tying it into this morality around 357 00:14:41,024 --> 00:14:41,464 Speaker 2: the dress. 358 00:14:41,504 --> 00:14:44,144 Speaker 3: Well, like she hasn't learnt from Nick Jonas, I always 359 00:14:44,144 --> 00:14:47,464 Speaker 3: get so scared from women who talk about their relationship 360 00:14:47,504 --> 00:14:49,984 Speaker 3: with that much emotion, because. 361 00:14:49,984 --> 00:14:51,864 Speaker 2: I mean they got married, Like mayb, you're going to 362 00:14:51,944 --> 00:14:53,864 Speaker 2: be emotional about your relationship. That would be the time, 363 00:14:54,184 --> 00:14:54,664 Speaker 2: but like. 364 00:14:54,784 --> 00:14:58,864 Speaker 3: Putting everything on the relationship, like the dress, the makeup, 365 00:14:59,024 --> 00:15:01,664 Speaker 3: everything like that, if they get divorced, which I'm not 366 00:15:01,744 --> 00:15:03,544 Speaker 3: saying they will, that is. 367 00:15:03,464 --> 00:15:05,584 Speaker 5: Like I know, but it's a Vogue interview. 368 00:15:05,624 --> 00:15:08,264 Speaker 2: I've got a secondhand embarrassment. Okay, I'm a little bit 369 00:15:08,264 --> 00:15:09,824 Speaker 2: on her side. Actually, maybe I'm quite a bit on 370 00:15:09,824 --> 00:15:12,424 Speaker 2: her son. On the it's a Vogue interview about the 371 00:15:12,544 --> 00:15:15,064 Speaker 2: dress and how she picked it and what her thoughts were, 372 00:15:15,064 --> 00:15:17,904 Speaker 2: and it's a Vogue interview in their beauty section about 373 00:15:17,904 --> 00:15:20,944 Speaker 2: her makeup. Like that is the place to tell these stories, 374 00:15:21,064 --> 00:15:22,584 Speaker 2: just because I think it hits a nerve with so 375 00:15:22,624 --> 00:15:24,664 Speaker 2: many women, and I think, like it's a weird thing 376 00:15:24,704 --> 00:15:27,424 Speaker 2: because I don't think what she said is bad. I 377 00:15:27,504 --> 00:15:29,624 Speaker 2: think she was just explaining what was in her mind. 378 00:15:29,704 --> 00:15:32,264 Speaker 2: And for some reason, maybe she's someone in special moments 379 00:15:32,344 --> 00:15:34,264 Speaker 2: or big moments she likes to be really covered up. 380 00:15:34,304 --> 00:15:36,184 Speaker 2: Maybe that's very different to her when she's working on 381 00:15:36,224 --> 00:15:38,344 Speaker 2: a red carpet. But I think it hit this nerve 382 00:15:38,384 --> 00:15:41,624 Speaker 2: because women get so judged still around how they dress, 383 00:15:41,944 --> 00:15:43,824 Speaker 2: and this idea of like, well, if you address that way, 384 00:15:43,824 --> 00:15:45,504 Speaker 2: you might have been asking to be harassed or you're 385 00:15:45,504 --> 00:15:48,184 Speaker 2: asking not to be taken seriously, and I think because 386 00:15:48,224 --> 00:15:50,984 Speaker 2: we have that in our minds all the time, this 387 00:15:51,104 --> 00:15:53,264 Speaker 2: hit a nerve for people, and it's just unfortunately for 388 00:15:53,304 --> 00:15:56,144 Speaker 2: Olivia and her wedding that it became the catalyst for 389 00:15:56,184 --> 00:15:56,904 Speaker 2: this conversation. 390 00:15:57,144 --> 00:15:59,424 Speaker 3: I think it's just a bit too old school, like 391 00:16:00,184 --> 00:16:02,264 Speaker 3: the way like she's trying to frame it. It's a 392 00:16:02,344 --> 00:16:04,544 Speaker 3: very old school way of thinking of what wedding should be, 393 00:16:04,584 --> 00:16:05,904 Speaker 3: like very pure, like. 394 00:16:05,984 --> 00:16:08,344 Speaker 4: Virgin bride wearing a. 395 00:16:08,304 --> 00:16:10,784 Speaker 2: White dress to show you that you're virginal. And I'm 396 00:16:10,784 --> 00:16:13,024 Speaker 2: sure most women getting married now that hasn't been their 397 00:16:13,064 --> 00:16:15,704 Speaker 2: life choice, but now it's become more of a celebration 398 00:16:16,144 --> 00:16:17,744 Speaker 2: moment if people wear white, because in. 399 00:16:17,744 --> 00:16:19,624 Speaker 5: They grow looking at that my tradition. 400 00:16:20,064 --> 00:16:22,064 Speaker 2: But I also just think you can't win, like recently 401 00:16:22,104 --> 00:16:24,744 Speaker 2: Eva Mora, who's an actress who's been like a lot 402 00:16:24,744 --> 00:16:26,584 Speaker 2: of movies and TV shows, But I guess it's also 403 00:16:26,624 --> 00:16:29,024 Speaker 2: really no one for being Susan Sarandon's daughter. That's the 404 00:16:29,024 --> 00:16:30,344 Speaker 2: first time I saw her. I think she was in 405 00:16:30,384 --> 00:16:33,464 Speaker 2: like The Banger Sisters, that movie with Susan Sarandon and Goldiehorn. 406 00:16:33,544 --> 00:16:35,344 Speaker 2: But she's been and I love her. New Girl she's 407 00:16:35,344 --> 00:16:37,384 Speaker 2: been in Saved, She's been in a lot of cool things. 408 00:16:37,664 --> 00:16:40,264 Speaker 2: She recently got married. It was her second wedding, and 409 00:16:40,264 --> 00:16:42,144 Speaker 2: there was a lot of like her idea was like, 410 00:16:42,184 --> 00:16:44,424 Speaker 2: it's so romantic, it's so ass All my kids are 411 00:16:44,464 --> 00:16:46,664 Speaker 2: running around, they're so happy, like it's this beautiful thing. 412 00:16:46,984 --> 00:16:51,344 Speaker 2: And she got so wildly shamed because her dress was 413 00:16:51,344 --> 00:16:52,864 Speaker 2: a bit I didn't even think it was that low cut. 414 00:16:52,904 --> 00:16:55,104 Speaker 2: But you can, I guess, very clearly see her boobs, 415 00:16:55,144 --> 00:16:56,184 Speaker 2: like it's. 416 00:16:55,864 --> 00:16:57,104 Speaker 4: A I kind of want to see a photo. 417 00:16:57,144 --> 00:16:58,984 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, have a look a photo of this. 418 00:16:59,504 --> 00:17:02,344 Speaker 3: Oh wait, I think this dress is stunny. 419 00:17:02,464 --> 00:17:05,584 Speaker 2: Yes, can you see it's like, yes, it is very booby, 420 00:17:05,784 --> 00:17:07,464 Speaker 2: But I don't think it's a booby dress. 421 00:17:07,464 --> 00:17:09,464 Speaker 3: I think she just has big boobs and she's wearing a. 422 00:17:09,504 --> 00:17:11,984 Speaker 2: Dress if you have big boobs, and I don't think 423 00:17:11,984 --> 00:17:14,504 Speaker 2: hers are that big because I have enormous boobs, So 424 00:17:14,504 --> 00:17:16,424 Speaker 2: when people like, oh, my boobs are big, sometimes that 425 00:17:16,584 --> 00:17:18,344 Speaker 2: triggers me. But I think a lot of the time 426 00:17:18,584 --> 00:17:20,224 Speaker 2: you just have them with you all the time and 427 00:17:20,264 --> 00:17:20,864 Speaker 2: they pop out of it. 428 00:17:20,984 --> 00:17:23,104 Speaker 5: She's just wearing a normal dress. So she got. 429 00:17:22,984 --> 00:17:26,424 Speaker 2: Really shamed in the comments across different articles and people 430 00:17:26,584 --> 00:17:28,464 Speaker 2: being like, how dare you It's your wedding day, your 431 00:17:28,544 --> 00:17:30,984 Speaker 2: children are there, how dare you have your breast out? 432 00:17:31,064 --> 00:17:33,664 Speaker 2: So then people are saying because her dress is not 433 00:17:33,824 --> 00:17:36,624 Speaker 2: covered up, that she is also not taking her wedding 434 00:17:36,744 --> 00:17:40,344 Speaker 2: day seriously. So she's like, most kind of proved Olivia's point, 435 00:17:40,424 --> 00:17:43,064 Speaker 2: and Eva really hit back. She posts a lot of 436 00:17:43,064 --> 00:17:45,104 Speaker 2: the comments to Instagram and she posted like a lot 437 00:17:45,144 --> 00:17:46,944 Speaker 2: of close up shots of her booms and she's like 438 00:17:46,984 --> 00:17:49,024 Speaker 2: here you go, and she was re sharing all the 439 00:17:49,104 --> 00:17:53,024 Speaker 2: articles about it. It really kind of became this big storm. 440 00:17:53,144 --> 00:17:55,464 Speaker 2: So you've had these two celebrity wedding dresses in the 441 00:17:55,544 --> 00:17:57,864 Speaker 2: last week or so that have both been called out, 442 00:17:58,144 --> 00:18:00,224 Speaker 2: one because she's covered up and one because she's wearing 443 00:18:00,224 --> 00:18:02,344 Speaker 2: a strapless dress. It's like, where do you find do 444 00:18:02,384 --> 00:18:03,824 Speaker 2: you find the media between this? 445 00:18:04,224 --> 00:18:06,384 Speaker 3: I think it's a bit weird for people to firstly 446 00:18:06,504 --> 00:18:09,784 Speaker 3: comment on other people's wedding dresses like that seems like 447 00:18:09,824 --> 00:18:12,584 Speaker 3: such an inmate choice. But on the other hand, when 448 00:18:12,624 --> 00:18:15,304 Speaker 3: you're a celebrity and you're also making money doing these 449 00:18:15,304 --> 00:18:18,264 Speaker 3: big spreads and magazines, you have to be open that 450 00:18:18,384 --> 00:18:19,384 Speaker 3: people will comment. 451 00:18:19,504 --> 00:18:24,344 Speaker 2: Well, that's what Gownard girl said on on TikTok she 452 00:18:24,424 --> 00:18:26,064 Speaker 2: was like, Everyone was like, how dare you be commenting 453 00:18:26,064 --> 00:18:27,424 Speaker 2: on someone else's wedding dress? 454 00:18:27,464 --> 00:18:29,744 Speaker 5: And she was like, well, it's a Vogue article. 455 00:18:30,024 --> 00:18:32,144 Speaker 2: It's been created as a piece of media for us 456 00:18:32,184 --> 00:18:34,224 Speaker 2: to consume, and so having an opinion on a piece 457 00:18:34,224 --> 00:18:36,424 Speaker 2: of media is different to just attacking someone. 458 00:18:36,544 --> 00:18:38,904 Speaker 3: Yeah, just looking through her photo out, like breaking into 459 00:18:38,904 --> 00:18:41,424 Speaker 3: her house and getting her wedding album then commenting on it. 460 00:18:41,424 --> 00:18:41,944 Speaker 5: It's interesting. 461 00:18:41,944 --> 00:18:44,424 Speaker 2: The last time I think there was this interesting backlash 462 00:18:44,424 --> 00:18:47,224 Speaker 2: over a wedding dress being very modest was Miranda Kerr 463 00:18:47,384 --> 00:18:50,504 Speaker 2: many many years ago. Remember when she married the founder 464 00:18:50,504 --> 00:18:53,904 Speaker 2: of Snapchat, Evan I remember that, Yes, and. 465 00:18:53,824 --> 00:18:56,064 Speaker 5: She had In fact, she was on a billionaire run. 466 00:18:56,104 --> 00:18:56,864 Speaker 4: She was loving. 467 00:18:58,344 --> 00:19:01,144 Speaker 2: And she got one good on her because her dress 468 00:19:01,144 --> 00:19:03,144 Speaker 2: looks very much like Olivia's in terms of like it's 469 00:19:03,304 --> 00:19:06,024 Speaker 2: very high necked, long sleeved a big full skirt, had 470 00:19:06,064 --> 00:19:08,624 Speaker 2: a bit more embroidery over it. And she didn't give 471 00:19:08,624 --> 00:19:11,224 Speaker 2: an interview saying that she rose to be covered up 472 00:19:11,224 --> 00:19:13,224 Speaker 2: for any reason, So it didn't blow up. What did 473 00:19:13,304 --> 00:19:15,624 Speaker 2: blow up was there were allegedly a bunch of quotes 474 00:19:15,664 --> 00:19:18,864 Speaker 2: around where she said that she dressed in this very 475 00:19:18,904 --> 00:19:21,584 Speaker 2: modest way, and then while the rest of their guests 476 00:19:21,624 --> 00:19:23,904 Speaker 2: were served dinner at their home where they were having 477 00:19:23,904 --> 00:19:26,424 Speaker 2: the wedding, she went inside and cooked dinner for her 478 00:19:26,464 --> 00:19:29,144 Speaker 2: husband because she wanted the first meal he consumed on 479 00:19:29,184 --> 00:19:31,864 Speaker 2: their wedding day to be made by her. And so 480 00:19:31,904 --> 00:19:33,784 Speaker 2: there was a lot of backlash that she was kind 481 00:19:33,824 --> 00:19:36,384 Speaker 2: of playing up these stereotypes of trade life. Yeah, like 482 00:19:36,424 --> 00:19:38,344 Speaker 2: trad wife, which I mean, if only she had just 483 00:19:38,384 --> 00:19:40,184 Speaker 2: been a few years later when with a TikTok account 484 00:19:40,224 --> 00:19:44,064 Speaker 2: she would have taken off that's a million filarian right now. 485 00:19:44,264 --> 00:19:45,904 Speaker 2: But there was a lot of backlash that she'd worn 486 00:19:45,944 --> 00:19:47,784 Speaker 2: this modest dress and that she was cooking for her 487 00:19:47,824 --> 00:19:49,824 Speaker 2: husband on a wedding day and cooking is weird. 488 00:19:49,904 --> 00:19:51,024 Speaker 4: Well, it's your one night. 489 00:19:52,144 --> 00:19:53,504 Speaker 2: This is one of those things where I think we 490 00:19:53,584 --> 00:19:56,944 Speaker 2: hate the idea of what it is rather than this 491 00:19:57,064 --> 00:19:59,744 Speaker 2: kind of smaller moment. We hate that it represents that 492 00:19:59,824 --> 00:20:02,184 Speaker 2: women are relegated to the kitchen. But if it's just 493 00:20:02,184 --> 00:20:05,224 Speaker 2: a story between Miranda and Evan, and maybe she just 494 00:20:05,304 --> 00:20:07,384 Speaker 2: wanted to cook for him so badly and she was 495 00:20:07,424 --> 00:20:08,384 Speaker 2: so happy to do it. 496 00:20:08,544 --> 00:20:11,024 Speaker 3: If she did a two pages like spread interview about 497 00:20:11,024 --> 00:20:13,904 Speaker 3: how she cooked a meal. Then I'd be like, that's annoying. Yeah, 498 00:20:14,104 --> 00:20:16,224 Speaker 3: I'm happy to pretend that that was the thing they had, 499 00:20:16,344 --> 00:20:18,144 Speaker 3: both of them, maybe like a kinky fetish thing. 500 00:20:18,384 --> 00:20:19,704 Speaker 5: Well yeah, exactly, you guys, don't you. 501 00:20:19,984 --> 00:20:21,784 Speaker 2: We don't know what goes on behind clothes, me and 502 00:20:21,824 --> 00:20:24,904 Speaker 2: my feminism out of that exactly. So I mean, I 503 00:20:24,904 --> 00:20:26,544 Speaker 2: guess what we've kind of landed on today is that 504 00:20:26,584 --> 00:20:29,624 Speaker 2: no matter what, no matter what a woman wears on 505 00:20:29,664 --> 00:20:31,464 Speaker 2: her wedding day, she's going to be very judged. 506 00:20:31,504 --> 00:20:33,664 Speaker 4: We will be talking about it. Thank you so much 507 00:20:33,704 --> 00:20:35,304 Speaker 4: for listening to the spill today. 508 00:20:35,824 --> 00:20:41,424 Speaker 3: We also had another kind of judgmental women conversation about 509 00:20:41,544 --> 00:20:44,664 Speaker 3: Margot Robbie earlier this week, when photos of her being 510 00:20:44,704 --> 00:20:48,304 Speaker 3: pregnant will We will link that episode in our show notes. Otherwise, 511 00:20:48,344 --> 00:20:50,184 Speaker 3: we will see you back here in your podcast feed 512 00:20:50,224 --> 00:20:51,464 Speaker 3: at three pm tomorrow. 513 00:20:51,624 --> 00:20:57,544 Speaker 4: Bye bye, Lan