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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to you Beauty, the daily podcast for

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Speaker 2: I am Lee Campbell, I'm Kelly McCarran. And it's Monday.

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Speaker 3: It's Monday, alright, it's either Monday or Friday when we're together.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but it just feels like that anyway. You

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Speaker 3: Episode, today we have got a question about the order

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Speaker 3: of people have. But first Bonnie's called in.

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Speaker 4: Hi, ladies, I have a question. I was listening to

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Speaker 4: I was wondering how we can tell products that suit

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Speaker 4: maybe it's just that I haven't been using the gold base.

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Speaker 4: So now I'm wondering, like lipsticks and eyeshadows and blushes

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Speaker 1: Excellent question, And in case you missed it, Bonnie is

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Speaker 1: go for warmer highlighter. But I'm of the belief that

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Speaker 1: don't think a silver highlighter looks all that natural or

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, I agree with you have Some people

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Speaker 1: So let's talk sort of champagne through to goldie through

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Speaker 3: I'm more of an illuminator. So I mean, well, we're

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Speaker 3: Ready, But even like the thing is, some reds were

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Speaker 1: But is brown I was supposed to wear purple Kelly's.

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Speaker 1: Mecha and get a makeup consultant or you know, an

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Speaker 3: Of teach you yes, exactly, And when you're looking for

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Speaker 3: But if you go for a cool toned red, like

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Speaker 1: bon Bond. Let us know what you purchase. Get yourself

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Speaker 1: a Champagne gold cheap highlighter and go to town get

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Speaker 2: And okay?

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Speaker 3: Question number two Ronic has asked, hy loved the pod today?

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Speaker 2: As always the analogies. Oh that was the.

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Speaker 1: Glad wrap and the what did you do the water met?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but I didn't even see that this

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Speaker 1: was Veronica. Well, I hope that you've enjoyed my tinsel analogy.

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Speaker 1: We've had a lot of analogies lately, but I think

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Speaker 2: Especially the ones with the water oil and glad wrap.

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Speaker 3: I've been wondering for a while when I double cleanse,

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Speaker 3: the oil first. Can the water not penetrate?

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Speaker 1: about the products you've got. So you've got the Bioderma

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Speaker 1: oil cleanser, great, and then my cellar Water Excellent. Biodema

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Speaker 1: think about thirty years ago now, and then everyone's copy its.

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Speaker 3: So I'm just for a recap in case anyone's never

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Speaker 2: Tell us what my cellar order is.

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Speaker 1: I'm about to do that. Yes, sorry, producer, stepping on

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Speaker 1: but yes, okay, I want you to use your oil

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Speaker 1: cleanser first. I'll explain in a minute. But my cellar water,

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Speaker 1: looks like water, it feels like water, it spells like nothing.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, like peas like cheer seeds. Half tight lining

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Speaker 2: I feel like they've done a better job than you think.

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Speaker 1: They tried, I don't know how to use it.

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