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Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mama Mia acknowledges

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Speaker 1: is recorded on Makeup is My Therapy.

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Speaker 2: I'm obsessed and I don't even feel guilty about it.

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Speaker 1: I'm Keller McCarran and welcome to the formula today. You're

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Speaker 1: in for a little history lesson, but a really fun one.

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Speaker 1: We are talking all things beauty, history and Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame with none other than Lisa Keenan from Mecca to

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Speaker 1: give us all of the insider goss about this incredible

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Speaker 1: new initiative that they have started.

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Speaker 2: You are such beautiful skill, but how okay?

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Speaker 1: So Lisa, I was reading through the press release yesterday

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Speaker 1: and I was like, these are epic. Why was it

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Speaker 1: time for beauty to finally have its own hall of fame,

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Speaker 1: a living record of its culture.

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Speaker 3: We have been on a journey really for twenty eight

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Speaker 3: years about making beauty something more than products and services

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Speaker 3: fore as something that is a profoundly important way for

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Speaker 3: world around them, and that's what beauty has always been.

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Speaker 3: But if you go into most art galleries or libraries

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Speaker 3: own place, and less one percent of record history is

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Speaker 3: of beauty as culture. We thought it was about time

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Speaker 3: that we put that into place, and you're right, it has.

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Speaker 2: Been an extraordinarily large undertaking.

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Speaker 3: I don't think we quite realized what it would be, but

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Speaker 3: it has also just been magnificent. I feel like I

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Speaker 3: have personally learned so much about even just the last

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Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty five years of beauty in Australia

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Speaker 3: and the journey of women. And I think, well, for us,

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Speaker 3: we want this to feel not like a museum, but

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Speaker 3: like a more curated, beauty focused version of Wikipedia. You

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Speaker 3: by our community. So the archive is intended. It started

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Speaker 3: absolutely grow into physical expressions and we're really excited about,

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Speaker 3: you know, what the future might hold.

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Speaker 1: You're so right that we just don't have that much

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Speaker 1: about it. Why can't a lipstick, the very first lipstick

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Speaker 1: be in an art gallery, bloke, and before blokes will

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Speaker 1: Why do we have swords and guns in like a

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Speaker 1: bit of chain, but we don't have something that has

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Speaker 3: You think about and there are some stories like this

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Speaker 1: And they're just as powerful because they make us feel

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Speaker 2: I know, it's beautiful, it is beautiful.

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Speaker 3: The sense of the chapters are really important because it

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Speaker 3: this year we celebrated twenty first Century Girl, which was

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Speaker 1: So the archive is a major collaboration with many cultural voices.

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Speaker 1: How did you approach deciding which stories to tell first?

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Speaker 3: So all of these parts of the meccaverse have been

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Speaker 1: which is obviously boomed. How has that cultural shift completely

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Speaker 1: it's all well and good, what something's going promising that

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Speaker 1: How long did it last for?

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Speaker 1: Just that's what's I think you really nailed that with

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Speaker 3: And I think it is true. You know, women's history

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Speaker 2: They're so good. They're beautiful.

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Speaker 3: Definitely Mecha to save face sunscreen every day, Gucci Westman,

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Speaker 1: And what's one product that you don't think gets enough attention?

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Speaker 1: That's a great little history tidbit. Well, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: You've given us so much insight, and I think that

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Speaker 2: Exactly about it as collectible.

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Speaker 1: And I saw that with one of them, there's only

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Speaker 3: That's right, that's the Mecha archive, the Time Capsule, which

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Speaker 3: so all super limited edition and just really really beautiful products,

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Speaker 3: Well, I really love the story of Knowing, which is

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Well, that's it for today. Thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for listening to you, beauty. Make sure you're

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