1 00:00:11,064 --> 00:00:11,384 Speaker 1: So much. 2 00:00:11,424 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 2: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 3 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 3: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 4 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:26,624 Speaker 3: that this podcast is recorded on from Mama Mia. Welcome 5 00:00:26,664 --> 00:00:29,464 Speaker 3: to the Spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura 6 00:00:29,464 --> 00:00:32,064 Speaker 3: Brodney and I'm Cassni La Kitch and coming up on 7 00:00:32,104 --> 00:00:34,984 Speaker 3: the show today, a new book about Gowdneth Paltrow is 8 00:00:35,024 --> 00:00:38,064 Speaker 3: set to be released very soon. But before the book 9 00:00:38,064 --> 00:00:40,944 Speaker 3: has even come out, it's caused a whole batch of drama. 10 00:00:40,984 --> 00:00:43,464 Speaker 3: A whole lot of celebrity stories have come out. So 11 00:00:43,504 --> 00:00:45,504 Speaker 3: we're going to get into that because there's a lot 12 00:00:45,544 --> 00:00:45,864 Speaker 3: to say. 13 00:00:46,064 --> 00:00:49,984 Speaker 1: But first, I have some strong feelings about Chloe Kardashian's 14 00:00:50,064 --> 00:00:53,544 Speaker 1: forty first birthday part. Okay, the Kardashians love to host 15 00:00:53,544 --> 00:00:58,744 Speaker 1: a birthday party, from you know Stormy's first birthday Stormy 16 00:00:58,824 --> 00:01:02,824 Speaker 1: Land to Christianna's Christmas Eve parties. 17 00:01:03,024 --> 00:01:06,064 Speaker 2: We know that they have massive, massive parties. 18 00:01:06,424 --> 00:01:09,584 Speaker 1: But lately something has been really irking me about it. 19 00:01:10,384 --> 00:01:13,224 Speaker 1: And so I saw this headline Chloe Kardashian celebrating her 20 00:01:13,224 --> 00:01:13,984 Speaker 1: forty first. 21 00:01:13,744 --> 00:01:16,704 Speaker 2: Birthday at her home and it's care Bears themed. 22 00:01:17,304 --> 00:01:20,664 Speaker 1: That's in itself is totally fine until I saw the 23 00:01:20,704 --> 00:01:26,464 Speaker 1: photos of like these life size care Bears and popsicles 24 00:01:26,624 --> 00:01:30,304 Speaker 1: and a cake and a happy birthday mummy like balloon thing, 25 00:01:31,224 --> 00:01:34,984 Speaker 1: and for a birthday party that seems to be just 26 00:01:35,264 --> 00:01:39,144 Speaker 1: like family, it's really over the top. 27 00:01:39,624 --> 00:01:42,624 Speaker 3: For me, I'm less upset about the over the top 28 00:01:42,704 --> 00:01:44,984 Speaker 3: news and more upset about the fact that a forty 29 00:01:45,064 --> 00:01:46,904 Speaker 3: or one year old woman with that amount of money 30 00:01:46,904 --> 00:01:49,024 Speaker 3: had a care Bears birthday party. I think its a 31 00:01:49,024 --> 00:01:49,984 Speaker 3: misuse of funds. 32 00:01:50,224 --> 00:01:51,784 Speaker 1: One thing I do think is kind of sweet is 33 00:01:51,824 --> 00:01:53,504 Speaker 1: I think the theme was more for her kids than 34 00:01:53,544 --> 00:01:53,784 Speaker 1: it will. 35 00:01:54,104 --> 00:01:56,664 Speaker 3: I get that, and I the vibe. I God, no, 36 00:01:56,704 --> 00:01:59,104 Speaker 3: I no, but it's still almost a bit too cute 37 00:01:59,104 --> 00:02:01,224 Speaker 3: seed trying to be ironic ironic. And I do want 38 00:02:01,224 --> 00:02:02,584 Speaker 3: to go on the record of saying that I'm a 39 00:02:02,584 --> 00:02:04,704 Speaker 3: big fan of the care Bears, love them, still have 40 00:02:04,824 --> 00:02:06,904 Speaker 3: my care Bear in my apartment somewhere, But I just 41 00:02:06,904 --> 00:02:08,464 Speaker 3: don't know if that's what you pull out for an 42 00:02:08,464 --> 00:02:09,384 Speaker 3: adult's birthday. 43 00:02:09,704 --> 00:02:10,304 Speaker 2: It's for the kid. 44 00:02:10,504 --> 00:02:13,104 Speaker 1: And this is one thing parents do is often we 45 00:02:13,184 --> 00:02:15,744 Speaker 1: like plan our whole lives around what our kids are like. 46 00:02:15,784 --> 00:02:17,784 Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of the case, and this 47 00:02:17,944 --> 00:02:20,424 Speaker 1: birthday party in the scheme of other kut Actually in 48 00:02:20,464 --> 00:02:23,664 Speaker 1: birthday parties isn't as bad, and by bad, I mean 49 00:02:23,744 --> 00:02:25,624 Speaker 1: over the top of some of the other ones. But 50 00:02:25,664 --> 00:02:27,904 Speaker 1: something really struck me is like she's got these life 51 00:02:27,904 --> 00:02:31,784 Speaker 1: size care Bears, these cakes, like catering, popsicles of bouncy house, 52 00:02:32,064 --> 00:02:34,464 Speaker 1: the pools full of care Bear inspired things, all of 53 00:02:34,464 --> 00:02:36,664 Speaker 1: which need to be hired bought, like plan all of 54 00:02:36,664 --> 00:02:40,024 Speaker 1: that stuff. And Kim Kay's there in her gym gear. 55 00:02:40,064 --> 00:02:42,024 Speaker 1: She looks like she's just gotten back from training. She's 56 00:02:42,024 --> 00:02:44,584 Speaker 1: got no makeup on, She's throwing a gym gear. Courtney 57 00:02:44,664 --> 00:02:48,024 Speaker 1: is just in like a casual you know, black biker boots. 58 00:02:48,064 --> 00:02:50,424 Speaker 2: The kids are in their swimmers. It seems quite casual. 59 00:02:50,504 --> 00:02:54,144 Speaker 1: But to have like these guys in life size costumes, 60 00:02:54,584 --> 00:02:57,904 Speaker 1: I just it was really jarring to me. And I 61 00:02:58,024 --> 00:03:01,424 Speaker 1: think the reason that it bothered me is that these 62 00:03:01,504 --> 00:03:05,344 Speaker 1: birthday parties, these events that they have become less about 63 00:03:05,464 --> 00:03:09,104 Speaker 1: celebration of the actual event and more about this like 64 00:03:09,224 --> 00:03:14,544 Speaker 1: aesthetically please seeing Instagram TikTok worthy thing. 65 00:03:14,864 --> 00:03:15,464 Speaker 2: It's like a. 66 00:03:15,544 --> 00:03:19,304 Speaker 1: Pinterest party where no one's having a good time. It's 67 00:03:19,424 --> 00:03:21,584 Speaker 1: kind of what I get the vibe to be and 68 00:03:22,144 --> 00:03:28,024 Speaker 1: the Kardashians are so guilty of doing this, of creating 69 00:03:28,024 --> 00:03:32,024 Speaker 1: this like aesthetic pressure cooker, right that everything has to 70 00:03:32,104 --> 00:03:36,664 Speaker 1: look perfect. And it makes me, as a parent, feel 71 00:03:36,704 --> 00:03:40,024 Speaker 1: guilty that when I throw my kid's birthday party, that 72 00:03:40,104 --> 00:03:41,864 Speaker 1: I need to spend two hundred and fifty dollars on 73 00:03:41,904 --> 00:03:44,344 Speaker 1: a cake and a cake topper and custom things, and 74 00:03:44,344 --> 00:03:47,104 Speaker 1: there needs to be a balloon person and a face painter, 75 00:03:47,664 --> 00:03:49,944 Speaker 1: and I need to have a full thing of like food, 76 00:03:50,024 --> 00:03:51,824 Speaker 1: and everything needs to be themed, and I've got to 77 00:03:51,824 --> 00:03:54,464 Speaker 1: go spend thousands of dollars DIY. Like it just puts 78 00:03:54,504 --> 00:03:58,704 Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on parents. They don't have to 79 00:03:58,784 --> 00:04:01,784 Speaker 1: be in charge of my emotions. And that's not what 80 00:04:01,784 --> 00:04:05,384 Speaker 1: I'm saying here. I just it feels really inauthentic to me. 81 00:04:05,624 --> 00:04:09,864 Speaker 1: It feels so over the top and full on and 82 00:04:10,544 --> 00:04:12,904 Speaker 1: add so much pressure. Because I'm not the only one 83 00:04:12,904 --> 00:04:15,064 Speaker 1: that thinks this. I know so many of my friends 84 00:04:15,104 --> 00:04:20,104 Speaker 1: who it's snowballs. One minute you're ordering twenty cupcakes, the 85 00:04:20,144 --> 00:04:23,584 Speaker 1: next second you're in a shame spiral trying to figure 86 00:04:23,624 --> 00:04:28,304 Speaker 1: out which Spider Man impersonated to get that won't pick 87 00:04:28,344 --> 00:04:31,704 Speaker 1: a fight with the other parents, which mind you actually 88 00:04:31,744 --> 00:04:33,944 Speaker 1: happened to a friend of mine. The spider man they 89 00:04:34,024 --> 00:04:36,944 Speaker 1: hired got really aggressive and started yelling at the parents 90 00:04:37,024 --> 00:04:38,944 Speaker 1: and they had to kick him out, and he went 91 00:04:38,984 --> 00:04:41,024 Speaker 1: to throw a punch at a kid's birthday party. 92 00:04:41,184 --> 00:04:44,744 Speaker 2: So, like, the pressure is real. And that is my 93 00:04:44,824 --> 00:04:47,944 Speaker 2: ted talk for today. I don't know why it irks. 94 00:04:47,744 --> 00:04:49,424 Speaker 1: Me so much, but I saw the photos and I 95 00:04:49,464 --> 00:04:52,024 Speaker 1: was like, not again, not again. 96 00:04:52,424 --> 00:04:53,784 Speaker 2: Let's just take a chill pill. 97 00:04:54,224 --> 00:04:59,144 Speaker 1: Everybody needs to relax and maybe, just maybe we can 98 00:04:59,304 --> 00:05:02,744 Speaker 1: enjoy birthday parties and kids' birthday parties by just having 99 00:05:02,784 --> 00:05:05,184 Speaker 1: like a Wooly's cake and a candle. 100 00:05:05,864 --> 00:05:07,184 Speaker 2: And that's all I have to say about that. 101 00:05:07,424 --> 00:05:09,024 Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad you got to put that out into 102 00:05:09,064 --> 00:05:09,344 Speaker 3: the world. 103 00:05:09,384 --> 00:05:10,344 Speaker 2: I'm so glad that you listened. 104 00:05:10,744 --> 00:05:12,664 Speaker 3: I do, and I do, and I feel what you're saying. 105 00:05:12,744 --> 00:05:14,024 Speaker 2: This felt like a therapy session. 106 00:05:14,224 --> 00:05:15,864 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, that is what this podcast is meant 107 00:05:15,904 --> 00:05:18,504 Speaker 3: to be. But I should not not to defend the Kardashians. 108 00:05:18,544 --> 00:05:20,864 Speaker 3: It's hard to because I know that like what we 109 00:05:20,984 --> 00:05:24,664 Speaker 3: see on Instagram and socials have started super like influencing 110 00:05:25,104 --> 00:05:27,544 Speaker 3: events in people's lives, and now weddings have to be 111 00:05:27,584 --> 00:05:30,424 Speaker 3: this huge scale event and engage in parties and even birthdays, 112 00:05:30,424 --> 00:05:32,264 Speaker 3: like you can see the trickle down effect like birthdays 113 00:05:32,264 --> 00:05:34,904 Speaker 3: for adults. I mean, but I also think the the 114 00:05:34,984 --> 00:05:38,144 Speaker 3: other hard thing is that that event is not a 115 00:05:38,184 --> 00:05:41,904 Speaker 3: normal like that's millionaires with a smattering of billionaires. It's 116 00:05:41,984 --> 00:05:44,664 Speaker 3: kind of like maybe saying, like my wedding in Sydney's 117 00:05:44,704 --> 00:05:46,944 Speaker 3: not good enough because the Beatiss wedding was in Venice 118 00:05:46,984 --> 00:05:49,304 Speaker 3: and I didn't have ninety eight private jets to fly in, 119 00:05:49,384 --> 00:05:51,584 Speaker 3: Like i't understand you're saying. But I also think sometimes 120 00:05:51,584 --> 00:05:54,504 Speaker 3: that you need that crazy over the top celebrity culture 121 00:05:54,584 --> 00:05:56,304 Speaker 3: just to live in, like this little bubble that we 122 00:05:56,424 --> 00:05:58,824 Speaker 3: just peer into, like there's zoo animals because it's kind 123 00:05:58,824 --> 00:05:59,784 Speaker 3: of the vibe. 124 00:05:59,864 --> 00:06:02,424 Speaker 1: And I agree, I agree with that that kind of 125 00:06:02,504 --> 00:06:05,464 Speaker 1: like watching that just to see how the other half 126 00:06:05,664 --> 00:06:06,184 Speaker 1: half live. 127 00:06:06,344 --> 00:06:08,104 Speaker 2: I think that that is fine. 128 00:06:08,104 --> 00:06:11,384 Speaker 1: But what happens is it does trickle down, and particularly 129 00:06:11,464 --> 00:06:13,384 Speaker 1: I think it's more so with the kids' birthday. 130 00:06:13,144 --> 00:06:15,064 Speaker 3: Parties and the pressure on the kids seeing it and 131 00:06:15,064 --> 00:06:17,304 Speaker 3: not knowing yeah yeah, and like half the time the 132 00:06:17,424 --> 00:06:18,184 Speaker 3: kids don't care. 133 00:06:18,304 --> 00:06:21,264 Speaker 1: Like the fact that Stormy had this, like Stormy Land, 134 00:06:21,344 --> 00:06:23,224 Speaker 1: she was her first birthday, Like she doesn't even know 135 00:06:23,264 --> 00:06:23,904 Speaker 1: what a birthday. 136 00:06:23,944 --> 00:06:27,624 Speaker 2: She can't even walk properly, and they got this. 137 00:06:27,824 --> 00:06:31,824 Speaker 1: It just is so unnecessary and it's it's this like 138 00:06:31,944 --> 00:06:36,144 Speaker 1: consumerism gone crazy to the point of like, did you 139 00:06:36,224 --> 00:06:38,544 Speaker 1: really need to for like a quiet backyard party for 140 00:06:38,584 --> 00:06:40,784 Speaker 1: your forty first birthday? Did you need to hire two 141 00:06:40,824 --> 00:06:44,624 Speaker 1: people in care bear suits to sweat in the hot 142 00:06:44,664 --> 00:06:48,064 Speaker 1: Californian sun so you can get a couple of Instagram photos? 143 00:06:48,264 --> 00:06:50,344 Speaker 3: Yeah, because I think they've got MINDI wis on Retina 144 00:06:50,464 --> 00:06:52,944 Speaker 3: the biggest party planner in Hollywood, and that woman's expensive 145 00:06:52,944 --> 00:06:54,304 Speaker 3: and to be honest, she needs something to do. 146 00:06:54,464 --> 00:06:57,144 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure she does. So that's anyway, That's how 147 00:06:57,184 --> 00:06:58,024 Speaker 1: I feel about that. 148 00:06:58,344 --> 00:07:01,064 Speaker 3: Well, look, I understand what you're saying, and I feel like, yes, 149 00:07:01,144 --> 00:07:02,704 Speaker 3: the line needs to draw on the sand of what 150 00:07:02,784 --> 00:07:05,624 Speaker 3: normal people can do. And I also think, never invite 151 00:07:05,664 --> 00:07:07,464 Speaker 3: me to a care Bear's birthday party for you an adult, 152 00:07:07,504 --> 00:07:10,304 Speaker 3: because I would not go to that does not sound 153 00:07:10,344 --> 00:07:10,784 Speaker 3: Is that what. 154 00:07:10,664 --> 00:07:13,464 Speaker 2: The care bess do? They rub bellies? Yeah? Yeah, it 155 00:07:13,464 --> 00:07:14,584 Speaker 2: didn't sound weird. 156 00:07:14,744 --> 00:07:17,184 Speaker 3: Carebert. No, I'm picking out putting on care Bear power, 157 00:07:17,264 --> 00:07:22,744 Speaker 3: care besta care Bear Countdown. I got it okay. So 158 00:07:22,784 --> 00:07:24,944 Speaker 3: a new celebrity book is about to hit the shells. 159 00:07:25,024 --> 00:07:27,704 Speaker 3: But because they've done the normal tact of publicity of 160 00:07:27,744 --> 00:07:30,464 Speaker 3: releasing a few kind of juicy chapters to the public 161 00:07:30,504 --> 00:07:32,904 Speaker 3: before it comes out, we already have an idea of 162 00:07:32,904 --> 00:07:34,424 Speaker 3: where this book is going to go, in the areas 163 00:07:34,464 --> 00:07:37,704 Speaker 3: it's going to touch on. So it's called Gwyneth the Biography, 164 00:07:37,744 --> 00:07:39,664 Speaker 3: and it's written by Amy O'Dell. And if you don't 165 00:07:39,664 --> 00:07:43,624 Speaker 3: know Amy Odell, she's an incredible pop culture and entertainment writer. 166 00:07:44,104 --> 00:07:46,224 Speaker 3: She writes a lot of really interesting articles. She has 167 00:07:46,264 --> 00:07:49,104 Speaker 3: a really great substack called the back Row that she 168 00:07:49,184 --> 00:07:51,264 Speaker 3: really gets into the nitty gritty of culture. And she 169 00:07:51,384 --> 00:07:55,424 Speaker 3: also wrote the biography of Anna Wintour, which was an 170 00:07:55,504 --> 00:07:58,544 Speaker 3: unauthorized book where she spoke to dozens and dozens will 171 00:07:58,584 --> 00:08:01,424 Speaker 3: probably over one hundred actually, people who knew Anna Wintur 172 00:08:01,464 --> 00:08:04,624 Speaker 3: and had worked with her and really shaped this story 173 00:08:04,664 --> 00:08:06,384 Speaker 3: of her life that people hadn't seen before. 174 00:08:06,584 --> 00:08:09,264 Speaker 1: And it's where we get kind of the famous stories 175 00:08:09,304 --> 00:08:13,064 Speaker 1: about that, you know, the stake, the all, A lot 176 00:08:13,064 --> 00:08:17,584 Speaker 1: of the stories that Amy O'Dell found featured in The 177 00:08:17,584 --> 00:08:20,504 Speaker 1: Devil Wears Prada like that is kind of where the 178 00:08:20,624 --> 00:08:24,064 Speaker 1: law of Anna Wintalk came from. So, yeah, this biographer 179 00:08:24,264 --> 00:08:26,904 Speaker 1: Amy is incredibly well regarded. 180 00:08:27,344 --> 00:08:29,064 Speaker 3: Yes, yes she is. And then she's written on her 181 00:08:29,104 --> 00:08:32,344 Speaker 3: subject that after she published the biography and Anna Wintour, 182 00:08:32,624 --> 00:08:35,504 Speaker 3: that she started thinking about what other public figures have 183 00:08:35,664 --> 00:08:38,784 Speaker 3: had a real impact on culture, the people that live 184 00:08:38,824 --> 00:08:42,024 Speaker 3: in our minds rentfree, whose quotes and stories have become 185 00:08:42,024 --> 00:08:44,584 Speaker 3: bigger than them, And she said she kept coming back 186 00:08:44,624 --> 00:08:47,784 Speaker 3: to Gwyneth Paltrow, and that's when she decided that Gwyneth 187 00:08:47,824 --> 00:08:50,464 Speaker 3: would be the next subject of her book. So she's 188 00:08:50,504 --> 00:08:55,024 Speaker 3: interviewed over two hundred and fifteen people who have worked 189 00:08:55,064 --> 00:08:57,504 Speaker 3: with Gwyneth, who went to school with her, who are 190 00:08:57,504 --> 00:09:00,024 Speaker 3: friends of hers, who were in the industry, and from 191 00:09:00,104 --> 00:09:02,864 Speaker 3: all of these stories and also stories that Gwyneth has 192 00:09:02,904 --> 00:09:06,944 Speaker 3: said publicly herself, she's collated this book. So Gwyneth Paltrow 193 00:09:07,024 --> 00:09:10,544 Speaker 3: isn't officially affiliated with the book in any way, but 194 00:09:10,584 --> 00:09:13,464 Speaker 3: there are some sources out there that say that she's 195 00:09:13,584 --> 00:09:15,264 Speaker 3: very aware of the book, which I'm sure she is, 196 00:09:15,744 --> 00:09:17,944 Speaker 3: and also saying she's been in Hollywood for a really 197 00:09:17,944 --> 00:09:20,184 Speaker 3: long time, she's got a really thick skin, and that 198 00:09:20,224 --> 00:09:22,104 Speaker 3: she puts a lot of information out there, so she's 199 00:09:22,144 --> 00:09:23,344 Speaker 3: not too worried about the book. 200 00:09:23,424 --> 00:09:26,024 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I saw someone she's completely unbothered. 201 00:09:26,384 --> 00:09:28,744 Speaker 3: Yes, the kind of quote that's been thrown around to 202 00:09:28,824 --> 00:09:31,144 Speaker 3: me does feel like it's come from Gwenneth's team. I 203 00:09:31,184 --> 00:09:33,984 Speaker 3: wonder if she'll be bothered when she sees the stories 204 00:09:34,024 --> 00:09:36,984 Speaker 3: that are out there. But obviously some books come out 205 00:09:37,024 --> 00:09:39,584 Speaker 3: and you can see the subjects get quite upset about them, 206 00:09:39,864 --> 00:09:42,144 Speaker 3: and then we have other books. I mean, this is allegedly, 207 00:09:42,224 --> 00:09:45,144 Speaker 3: but when that unauthorized book about Prince Harry and Meghan 208 00:09:45,224 --> 00:09:47,984 Speaker 3: Markle came out, it was kind of widely thought because 209 00:09:48,024 --> 00:09:50,344 Speaker 3: they knew the author that, even though they weren't quoting 210 00:09:50,424 --> 00:09:52,424 Speaker 3: the book, that the couple had given him like a 211 00:09:52,464 --> 00:09:54,864 Speaker 3: list of people to speak to. But then when other 212 00:09:54,984 --> 00:09:57,184 Speaker 3: stories were coming out about them, they had blocked those 213 00:09:57,224 --> 00:10:00,424 Speaker 3: people from speaking. So with celebrity books, even if they're 214 00:10:00,424 --> 00:10:03,184 Speaker 3: not directly involved, they can pull strings behind the scenes 215 00:10:03,224 --> 00:10:04,504 Speaker 3: of like which stories get told. 216 00:10:04,624 --> 00:10:06,744 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think what's really important is that the 217 00:10:06,744 --> 00:10:09,504 Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty sources, so we're talking about not 218 00:10:09,704 --> 00:10:12,344 Speaker 1: just people who have worked with her, but close friends 219 00:10:12,344 --> 00:10:15,624 Speaker 1: like Kevin m'quan is probably one of the bigger sources 220 00:10:15,624 --> 00:10:18,144 Speaker 1: that is mentioned. If you don't know, Kevin Naquan is 221 00:10:18,184 --> 00:10:20,584 Speaker 1: one of the biggest makeup artists in the world, also 222 00:10:20,584 --> 00:10:23,304 Speaker 1: had a famous makeup line books like He's kind of 223 00:10:23,344 --> 00:10:25,904 Speaker 1: a very close friend of Guennas for a long time, 224 00:10:26,144 --> 00:10:29,264 Speaker 1: particularly during those early years in the nineties, with a 225 00:10:29,384 --> 00:10:33,384 Speaker 1: relationship with Brad Pitt, you know Ben Affleck, the Emma days, 226 00:10:33,384 --> 00:10:36,144 Speaker 1: her Oscar days, like all of that. Kevin was around 227 00:10:36,544 --> 00:10:39,504 Speaker 1: for a lot of that. So Kevin Kuwan's actually passed away. 228 00:10:39,504 --> 00:10:41,384 Speaker 1: He passed away back in two thousand and two. He's 229 00:10:41,384 --> 00:10:45,344 Speaker 1: still got a makeup line, but obviously he's discussed this 230 00:10:45,384 --> 00:10:47,384 Speaker 1: with her. This has been in the works for a 231 00:10:47,384 --> 00:10:51,384 Speaker 1: long time, so these sources have been checked. 232 00:10:51,464 --> 00:10:52,144 Speaker 2: We know them. 233 00:10:52,544 --> 00:10:54,704 Speaker 1: A lot of the stuff in the early years I 234 00:10:54,704 --> 00:10:57,784 Speaker 1: think will be really interesting. Do we know much about 235 00:10:57,824 --> 00:10:59,664 Speaker 1: Like we know the books coming out in July in 236 00:10:59,704 --> 00:11:02,024 Speaker 1: the States, this is a different launch date for this 237 00:11:02,344 --> 00:11:03,104 Speaker 1: Australian market. 238 00:11:03,184 --> 00:11:05,584 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, we get everything a bit later here, so. 239 00:11:05,504 --> 00:11:08,504 Speaker 1: I think it's August fifth for Australia. So one of 240 00:11:08,544 --> 00:11:10,824 Speaker 1: the things that I found quite interesting in some of 241 00:11:10,864 --> 00:11:13,784 Speaker 1: the excerpts that have been released is like the early 242 00:11:13,864 --> 00:11:17,504 Speaker 1: years and the school stuff. So, as we all know, 243 00:11:17,904 --> 00:11:21,864 Speaker 1: Gwyneth is sort of one of the original NEPO babies. 244 00:11:21,904 --> 00:11:26,144 Speaker 1: She grew up incredibly wealthy Upper East Side of Manhattan. 245 00:11:26,624 --> 00:11:29,984 Speaker 1: She went to a school called the Spence School, which 246 00:11:30,024 --> 00:11:32,984 Speaker 1: is an all girls private school on the Upper East 247 00:11:32,984 --> 00:11:33,864 Speaker 1: Side of Manhattan. 248 00:11:34,624 --> 00:11:38,264 Speaker 2: Funnily enough, Kerry Washington also went to this school. 249 00:11:38,544 --> 00:11:41,064 Speaker 3: I do not get that vibe from Kerry Washington neither. 250 00:11:41,344 --> 00:11:44,664 Speaker 3: That's me projecting, but I get private school girl from Gwyneth, 251 00:11:44,784 --> 00:11:48,144 Speaker 3: like that feeling seeps from her paws. But Kerry Washington 252 00:11:48,184 --> 00:11:49,184 Speaker 3: just seems a bit more downtown. 253 00:11:49,184 --> 00:11:49,784 Speaker 2: I know it does. 254 00:11:50,064 --> 00:11:51,904 Speaker 1: The other thing about the Spence School. It's very like 255 00:11:51,984 --> 00:11:55,384 Speaker 1: Gossip Girl, but it's in single sex. So apparently the 256 00:11:55,464 --> 00:11:58,104 Speaker 1: whole school were really enamored by Gwyneth. 257 00:11:59,904 --> 00:12:02,784 Speaker 3: She's a beautiful, willowy blonde, and her parents were already 258 00:12:02,864 --> 00:12:03,384 Speaker 3: very famous. 259 00:12:03,544 --> 00:12:05,504 Speaker 2: Yeah, so she kind of already stood out. 260 00:12:05,544 --> 00:12:08,904 Speaker 1: Apparently, you know, when she was in middle school, which 261 00:12:08,944 --> 00:12:11,384 Speaker 1: is like a primary school, people singled her out, like 262 00:12:11,424 --> 00:12:15,904 Speaker 1: the sceniors were singling her around saying she's amazing. Apparently, 263 00:12:16,104 --> 00:12:19,344 Speaker 1: one alumni reported this is from the book. One alumni 264 00:12:19,424 --> 00:12:21,544 Speaker 1: reported not one person had to doubt that she was 265 00:12:21,584 --> 00:12:22,704 Speaker 1: going to be famous. 266 00:12:23,424 --> 00:12:25,224 Speaker 2: One of my favorite ones is that in. 267 00:12:25,144 --> 00:12:30,144 Speaker 1: Her yearbook quote it's like party on whatever. That quote's fine, 268 00:12:30,344 --> 00:12:33,584 Speaker 1: but her nightmare, what is her nightmare? 269 00:12:34,384 --> 00:12:35,104 Speaker 3: What can we think? 270 00:12:35,144 --> 00:12:36,064 Speaker 2: What do we think it is? 271 00:12:36,504 --> 00:12:40,664 Speaker 1: She just wrote obesity, which tracks I feel that would 272 00:12:40,664 --> 00:12:42,664 Speaker 1: be what she would say today too. It is one 273 00:12:42,744 --> 00:12:44,904 Speaker 1: hundred percent like she That's the thing about Gwyneth Peltro 274 00:12:45,064 --> 00:12:47,184 Speaker 1: is that I know she does like hold herself back 275 00:12:47,224 --> 00:12:50,064 Speaker 1: to an extent in public, but out of so many celebrities, 276 00:12:50,104 --> 00:12:51,864 Speaker 1: I feel like we know exactly who she is, like 277 00:12:51,904 --> 00:12:53,784 Speaker 1: the good, the really ugly sides of her. 278 00:12:53,944 --> 00:12:55,904 Speaker 3: Like it's just all for better or for worse. It's 279 00:12:55,944 --> 00:12:56,624 Speaker 3: just all out there. 280 00:12:56,744 --> 00:12:58,904 Speaker 1: One of the things that I do appreciate about her 281 00:12:58,944 --> 00:13:02,784 Speaker 1: is that she doesn't hide her upper class, Like she's 282 00:13:02,824 --> 00:13:06,424 Speaker 1: not trying to be relatable, like she knows that she is. 283 00:13:07,104 --> 00:13:09,744 Speaker 3: But that's also coming from like a real safety net 284 00:13:09,744 --> 00:13:11,104 Speaker 3: for her. Like not that I want to put her 285 00:13:11,104 --> 00:13:14,144 Speaker 3: into courtA Johnson the same thing, but there's a certain 286 00:13:14,184 --> 00:13:16,344 Speaker 3: way that people who have grown up in an immense 287 00:13:16,384 --> 00:13:19,424 Speaker 3: privilege in the entertainment industry can speak because they have 288 00:13:19,544 --> 00:13:22,704 Speaker 3: this huge in built safety net, like Gwene Paltrow knows 289 00:13:22,704 --> 00:13:24,744 Speaker 3: that she can really say whatever she wants and the 290 00:13:24,784 --> 00:13:28,064 Speaker 3: stakes aren't that high. Yeah, because she was like born 291 00:13:28,144 --> 00:13:30,544 Speaker 3: on a silver cloud with a silver spoon kind of thing. 292 00:13:30,664 --> 00:13:33,624 Speaker 3: So it makes them interesting to watch, but it also 293 00:13:33,824 --> 00:13:36,664 Speaker 3: takes away some of the yeah, the stakes of what 294 00:13:36,664 --> 00:13:37,184 Speaker 3: they're saying. 295 00:13:37,264 --> 00:13:40,704 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the extreme wealth of these Upper east 296 00:13:40,704 --> 00:13:45,184 Speaker 1: Side private schools can't be ignored because this isn't like 297 00:13:45,224 --> 00:13:47,664 Speaker 1: a private school here in Australia, which you know, we 298 00:13:47,744 --> 00:13:51,024 Speaker 1: have some very expensive private schools here, but in these 299 00:13:51,464 --> 00:13:57,864 Speaker 1: Upper east Side New York private schools, this is like billionaires, oligarchs, 300 00:13:57,984 --> 00:13:59,384 Speaker 1: like aristocrats. 301 00:13:59,464 --> 00:14:01,224 Speaker 2: This is like the upper. 302 00:14:01,024 --> 00:14:06,024 Speaker 1: Crust money, money, money of society. So the fact that 303 00:14:06,064 --> 00:14:09,064 Speaker 1: she went there, obviously her parents were famous. That's why 304 00:14:09,544 --> 00:14:11,944 Speaker 1: it's kind of a very ARTSI school. You know, it's 305 00:14:12,024 --> 00:14:14,384 Speaker 1: really heavily focused on the arts. Apparently she didn't do 306 00:14:14,504 --> 00:14:17,224 Speaker 1: very well academically, she just did They kind of just 307 00:14:17,264 --> 00:14:18,664 Speaker 1: like whisked her through. 308 00:14:18,904 --> 00:14:22,024 Speaker 3: Because my favorite line out of these excerpts that have 309 00:14:22,064 --> 00:14:24,784 Speaker 3: been released is there's this section where Amy Adel wrights 310 00:14:24,824 --> 00:14:28,104 Speaker 3: so that a teacher passed her because basically she pleaded 311 00:14:28,144 --> 00:14:30,904 Speaker 3: and she needed to pass this class otherwise she wasn't 312 00:14:30,904 --> 00:14:32,744 Speaker 3: going to graduate. And the teacher passed her and she said, 313 00:14:32,784 --> 00:14:34,504 Speaker 3: oh my god, thank you so much. I'm going to 314 00:14:34,584 --> 00:14:36,904 Speaker 3: thank you when I went on Oscar and in brackets 315 00:14:36,944 --> 00:14:39,904 Speaker 3: Amy Odel rights and she didn't. I think that really 316 00:14:39,904 --> 00:14:41,864 Speaker 3: does say all you need to say about that situation. 317 00:14:42,104 --> 00:14:45,464 Speaker 1: Some of the big headlines that we've seen over the 318 00:14:45,504 --> 00:14:48,384 Speaker 1: last couple of days, the one that really got me 319 00:14:48,584 --> 00:14:52,704 Speaker 1: was the Ben Affleck one. Right, So, if you haven't 320 00:14:52,704 --> 00:14:55,904 Speaker 1: seen it, Gwenez reveals her relationship with Ben Affleck and 321 00:14:55,944 --> 00:14:58,024 Speaker 1: so apparently she was talking to Kevin Aquan. 322 00:14:58,064 --> 00:14:59,184 Speaker 2: This is where Kevin Naquan. 323 00:14:58,984 --> 00:15:04,304 Speaker 1: Comes in, and her and Ben had very good sex 324 00:15:05,144 --> 00:15:08,544 Speaker 1: to the point where in our hotel. 325 00:15:08,264 --> 00:15:11,824 Speaker 2: Room one afternoon and Athletic Tea bagged her. 326 00:15:12,304 --> 00:15:14,504 Speaker 3: Yeah, that is the story that's out there. Yeah, and 327 00:15:15,984 --> 00:15:18,504 Speaker 3: she loved it, which is kind of interesting because again 328 00:15:18,544 --> 00:15:20,704 Speaker 3: I'm really projecting on what I know about Gwedeth, but 329 00:15:21,144 --> 00:15:23,864 Speaker 3: I feel like she absolutely wouldn't care about that story 330 00:15:23,864 --> 00:15:25,864 Speaker 3: being out there. I think what she would care about 331 00:15:26,384 --> 00:15:30,144 Speaker 3: is the way it's kind of gone secondhand person to 332 00:15:30,184 --> 00:15:33,184 Speaker 3: person and now it's being used in these really click 333 00:15:33,264 --> 00:15:36,424 Speaker 3: baity over the top articles where people are just being like, 334 00:15:36,424 --> 00:15:38,864 Speaker 3: I actually think she would quite love how horrified people are, 335 00:15:39,264 --> 00:15:41,144 Speaker 3: but not love the way it's kind of just been 336 00:15:41,344 --> 00:15:44,824 Speaker 3: like relegated to a few lines because I mean, I 337 00:15:44,864 --> 00:15:46,104 Speaker 3: don't want to read this out loud. I just want 338 00:15:46,104 --> 00:15:47,424 Speaker 3: everyone to know that I'm not going to enjoy this, 339 00:15:47,464 --> 00:15:48,824 Speaker 3: and you guys aren't going to enjoy this, but just 340 00:15:48,864 --> 00:15:51,064 Speaker 3: step in the way that people are writing up like 341 00:15:51,104 --> 00:15:53,424 Speaker 3: page six was the first article that I saw that 342 00:15:53,464 --> 00:15:56,584 Speaker 3: did this that went super viral, and they start by 343 00:15:56,584 --> 00:15:59,744 Speaker 3: trying to be really like, oh, Gwyneth Paltrow allegedly enjoyed 344 00:16:00,024 --> 00:16:01,784 Speaker 3: this sex act with Ben, but we're not going to 345 00:16:01,904 --> 00:16:03,904 Speaker 3: name it, and then they go on to say, but 346 00:16:03,984 --> 00:16:06,664 Speaker 3: those in the know won't be surprised that Fleck was 347 00:16:06,664 --> 00:16:09,944 Speaker 3: into it. He does love Duncan obviously. That's alluding to 348 00:16:10,464 --> 00:16:16,184 Speaker 3: Ben Affleck's undying love of the Duncan Donuts franchise for Wig, 349 00:16:16,904 --> 00:16:20,344 Speaker 3: which he has starred in many a commercial and he's 350 00:16:20,344 --> 00:16:23,104 Speaker 3: always pitched with his Duncan and I just thought, like, 351 00:16:23,544 --> 00:16:26,224 Speaker 3: Ben Affleck's love of Dunkin Donuts is really pure, and 352 00:16:26,264 --> 00:16:27,944 Speaker 3: I just don't like that it's been brought into this. 353 00:16:28,064 --> 00:16:29,904 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but whoever wrote that. 354 00:16:30,184 --> 00:16:31,904 Speaker 3: Oh no, this person was having a field day. It 355 00:16:31,904 --> 00:16:34,064 Speaker 3: gets better. And then they went on to say that 356 00:16:34,544 --> 00:16:36,744 Speaker 3: this was a side of Gwyneth that her friends knew 357 00:16:36,824 --> 00:16:39,424 Speaker 3: well but the public didn't see. That's a line that 358 00:16:39,464 --> 00:16:42,424 Speaker 3: Amy Odale writes. I'm sure in the book it's explained more. 359 00:16:42,824 --> 00:16:44,904 Speaker 3: Is everyone in the friendship group like, yeah, gonna love's 360 00:16:44,904 --> 00:16:47,184 Speaker 3: tea bagging, but no one knows that is. I just 361 00:16:47,224 --> 00:16:49,264 Speaker 3: don't know if that was like the going around in 362 00:16:49,264 --> 00:16:51,744 Speaker 3: the friendship circle the way it's been prinsident. 363 00:16:51,464 --> 00:16:53,904 Speaker 2: Also such a it's an odd one. 364 00:16:54,064 --> 00:16:56,264 Speaker 1: I think the reason people are so horrified is because 365 00:16:56,304 --> 00:16:59,504 Speaker 1: tea bagging is almost like this. I don't want to 366 00:16:59,544 --> 00:17:01,704 Speaker 1: talk too much about this because it's so intense the 367 00:17:01,784 --> 00:17:03,544 Speaker 1: visual that I got what I read this, I was like, 368 00:17:03,624 --> 00:17:05,624 Speaker 1: oh my god, I've just got this picture in my 369 00:17:05,664 --> 00:17:08,744 Speaker 1: head and I need to like scrub my eyeballs. I 370 00:17:08,744 --> 00:17:12,224 Speaker 1: don't think she would love it, like she probably doesn't care, 371 00:17:12,504 --> 00:17:13,704 Speaker 1: but it's become so. 372 00:17:14,264 --> 00:17:15,984 Speaker 3: I don't know if she'd care for the just the 373 00:17:16,024 --> 00:17:17,944 Speaker 3: way it's been described. I think she loves the world 374 00:17:17,984 --> 00:17:20,984 Speaker 3: knowing about her over the top movie star dating every 375 00:17:21,144 --> 00:17:23,704 Speaker 3: every man in Hollywood. Wanting her past, she had vagina 376 00:17:23,784 --> 00:17:27,704 Speaker 3: candle and she talks to abaitics she's fine, But then 377 00:17:27,744 --> 00:17:29,904 Speaker 3: it goes on to say, yeah, she told Kevin Kwan 378 00:17:29,944 --> 00:17:32,664 Speaker 3: in his London hotel room one day after lunch, and 379 00:17:32,904 --> 00:17:35,144 Speaker 3: I love how she's had this one conversation with Kevin, 380 00:17:35,144 --> 00:17:37,984 Speaker 3: and Kevin has told everyone he's ever met, as I 381 00:17:38,024 --> 00:17:41,144 Speaker 3: would to after lunch, that she loved when Affleck Tea 382 00:17:41,184 --> 00:17:43,384 Speaker 3: bagged her. And then page six has written how do 383 00:17:43,384 --> 00:17:47,544 Speaker 3: you like them apples? And then they've said and then 384 00:17:47,584 --> 00:17:50,864 Speaker 3: they have said reps for Paltrow and Affleck did not 385 00:17:51,024 --> 00:17:56,224 Speaker 3: immediately return our request for comment no shit. Yeah, so 386 00:17:56,304 --> 00:17:58,704 Speaker 3: that means because I guess you have to notify someone 387 00:17:58,704 --> 00:18:01,864 Speaker 3: when you are writing about the right and yeah, so 388 00:18:01,904 --> 00:18:05,104 Speaker 3: that means that some poor assistant somewhere opened an email 389 00:18:05,144 --> 00:18:08,424 Speaker 3: from page six that said, hello, insert name, I hope 390 00:18:08,464 --> 00:18:10,944 Speaker 3: you're doing well today, just letting you know that on 391 00:18:10,984 --> 00:18:13,144 Speaker 3: the site today, we are writing a story about how 392 00:18:13,144 --> 00:18:17,744 Speaker 3: Gwyneth Paltrow loved when Ben Affleck Tea bagged her. Our 393 00:18:17,904 --> 00:18:21,824 Speaker 3: deadline for publication is five pm today. Please reply, And 394 00:18:21,984 --> 00:18:23,864 Speaker 3: I can just imagine Gwenneth kind of rolling her eyes 395 00:18:23,864 --> 00:18:26,264 Speaker 3: and walking away and I can just imagine Ben Affleck 396 00:18:26,944 --> 00:18:29,944 Speaker 3: just sinking back into his sad afflic persona with his 397 00:18:30,504 --> 00:18:33,384 Speaker 3: phoenix tattur, Yeah, just emerging from his back. 398 00:18:35,544 --> 00:18:38,184 Speaker 1: One of the excerpts was also about her engagement to 399 00:18:38,304 --> 00:18:42,024 Speaker 1: Brad Pitt and the way that, yeah, that relationship kind 400 00:18:42,024 --> 00:18:43,384 Speaker 1: of dissolves. 401 00:18:43,504 --> 00:18:45,184 Speaker 3: I know there's so much more of the book to come, 402 00:18:45,184 --> 00:18:46,704 Speaker 3: but I feel like we've just been hit with Paige 403 00:18:46,744 --> 00:18:48,504 Speaker 3: off to page, off page already. I feel like I've 404 00:18:48,504 --> 00:18:51,304 Speaker 3: read it. And the part about Ben Affleck and the 405 00:18:51,384 --> 00:18:54,824 Speaker 3: transition from Ben to Brad Pitt was actually the most 406 00:18:54,824 --> 00:18:56,984 Speaker 3: interesting part. But not even about the sex stories with 407 00:18:57,064 --> 00:18:59,824 Speaker 3: either of them, because in the book it talks about 408 00:18:59,824 --> 00:19:02,944 Speaker 3: her meeting Brad on the set of I think was 409 00:19:03,024 --> 00:19:04,744 Speaker 3: Legends of the Four, which is one of his first 410 00:19:04,784 --> 00:19:07,704 Speaker 3: big breakouts, and her not getting the role, but then 411 00:19:07,784 --> 00:19:11,984 Speaker 3: Brad suggesting that she play his wife in seven. He 412 00:19:12,064 --> 00:19:16,544 Speaker 3: was obviously like very and that's a very romantic movie 413 00:19:16,544 --> 00:19:19,544 Speaker 3: for them to be on together. Great movie. And she's 414 00:19:19,584 --> 00:19:20,064 Speaker 3: fine in it. 415 00:19:20,424 --> 00:19:22,784 Speaker 2: She's not really in it barely A yeah. 416 00:19:22,744 --> 00:19:24,944 Speaker 3: I mean again again, she's just there because Brad Pitt 417 00:19:24,944 --> 00:19:26,424 Speaker 3: thought she was super hot and wanted to date it 418 00:19:26,464 --> 00:19:28,864 Speaker 3: and fair enough the definition of if he wanted to, 419 00:19:28,944 --> 00:19:31,784 Speaker 3: he would, he would get you in his movie. So 420 00:19:32,104 --> 00:19:34,304 Speaker 3: they get together, and in this book there's all these 421 00:19:34,344 --> 00:19:37,344 Speaker 3: stories from Guana's friends and people who worked with her 422 00:19:37,384 --> 00:19:40,704 Speaker 3: saying that she and Brad just didn't have any common 423 00:19:40,704 --> 00:19:43,384 Speaker 3: ground and it's because she said that they were just 424 00:19:43,504 --> 00:19:44,504 Speaker 3: raised too differently. 425 00:19:45,144 --> 00:19:48,664 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so this is apparently she said, Brad and 426 00:19:48,744 --> 00:19:51,544 Speaker 1: I had very different upbringings. So when we go to 427 00:19:51,624 --> 00:19:54,544 Speaker 1: restaurants and auder cavia, I have to say to Brad, 428 00:19:54,984 --> 00:19:58,344 Speaker 1: this is bluga and this is et cetera, which is 429 00:19:58,384 --> 00:20:00,144 Speaker 1: the most prestentious, like. 430 00:20:00,144 --> 00:20:02,104 Speaker 3: That is the most gundant, paltry thing I've ever heard. 431 00:20:02,224 --> 00:20:04,384 Speaker 3: I guess they work for a while their opposites attract. 432 00:20:04,464 --> 00:20:06,944 Speaker 3: But Brad Pitt grew up in like a tiny town 433 00:20:06,984 --> 00:20:10,344 Speaker 3: in Missouri and basically just got to Hollywood was like 434 00:20:10,384 --> 00:20:13,224 Speaker 3: a dollar in his pocket and was just, I think 435 00:20:13,264 --> 00:20:14,944 Speaker 3: fair to say. And this is on record for the 436 00:20:15,064 --> 00:20:17,664 Speaker 3: entire world, the hottest human being at that stage of 437 00:20:17,664 --> 00:20:20,144 Speaker 3: his life that has ever walked the planet and started 438 00:20:20,184 --> 00:20:23,224 Speaker 3: getting cast in movies and on paper, he and Gwyneth 439 00:20:23,624 --> 00:20:27,224 Speaker 3: were like so perfect like aesthetically, but everything that comes 440 00:20:27,264 --> 00:20:29,464 Speaker 3: out about their relationship is just that it was like 441 00:20:29,944 --> 00:20:33,264 Speaker 3: very forced. Gwyneth wasn't feeling it, and they were just 442 00:20:33,304 --> 00:20:35,464 Speaker 3: two different because she was looking for more of a 443 00:20:35,544 --> 00:20:38,944 Speaker 3: prince charming. But it's so interesting how like your relationship 444 00:20:39,024 --> 00:20:41,824 Speaker 3: can change depending on the guy, because then she fell 445 00:20:41,944 --> 00:20:44,704 Speaker 3: madly in love with Ben Affleck came from Boston, but 446 00:20:44,864 --> 00:20:48,064 Speaker 3: like a much poorer family than hers, different upbringing, much 447 00:20:48,184 --> 00:20:51,624 Speaker 3: rougher upbringing. But she was completely enamored with him and 448 00:20:51,664 --> 00:20:55,024 Speaker 3: in love with him from this book, but only because 449 00:20:55,064 --> 00:20:57,384 Speaker 3: it's sounding from like everything. Amy Odell has written that 450 00:20:57,424 --> 00:20:59,784 Speaker 3: he just treated her like absolute shit and that's what 451 00:20:59,904 --> 00:21:01,784 Speaker 3: made her become infatuated with him. I know. 452 00:21:01,864 --> 00:21:04,344 Speaker 1: But I think it's interesting because even though she's talking 453 00:21:04,384 --> 00:21:06,624 Speaker 1: about how they come from different worlds and there's this 454 00:21:06,664 --> 00:21:10,304 Speaker 1: whole poor boy, rich girl vibe going on, Gwyneth has 455 00:21:10,424 --> 00:21:12,544 Speaker 1: said in interviews, I wasn't ready and he was too 456 00:21:12,584 --> 00:21:13,144 Speaker 1: good for me. 457 00:21:13,824 --> 00:21:16,704 Speaker 2: Even though she's like, oh, we're from a different world. 458 00:21:16,864 --> 00:21:18,744 Speaker 2: I wasn't ready. He's nine years older. 459 00:21:18,944 --> 00:21:22,384 Speaker 1: Like all of this stuff, there's still this kind of 460 00:21:22,384 --> 00:21:24,984 Speaker 1: thing of this pretentious school. 461 00:21:25,024 --> 00:21:26,504 Speaker 2: I don't know, it's a weird vibe. 462 00:21:26,624 --> 00:21:29,104 Speaker 3: I feel like Brad Pitt comes across as very smart 463 00:21:29,144 --> 00:21:31,104 Speaker 3: and natsy now, but I'm gonna got in a limb 464 00:21:31,104 --> 00:21:34,104 Speaker 3: and say, maybe he wasn't exactly like that then, No, 465 00:21:34,184 --> 00:21:37,664 Speaker 3: And I feel like once the hot sex subsided between 466 00:21:37,704 --> 00:21:39,704 Speaker 3: the two of them. When she came to Sydney, she 467 00:21:39,744 --> 00:21:42,144 Speaker 3: was like on stage and someone asked her what it 468 00:21:42,184 --> 00:21:44,824 Speaker 3: was like dating Brad Pitt when he was peak hot 469 00:21:44,864 --> 00:21:47,224 Speaker 3: Brad pit and She's like, it was fucking amazing. And 470 00:21:47,384 --> 00:21:49,264 Speaker 3: I respect her for saying that, because I bet it was. 471 00:21:49,384 --> 00:21:51,584 Speaker 3: But I feel like the ick started for her reading 472 00:21:51,624 --> 00:21:53,784 Speaker 3: between the lines of this book is that it was 473 00:21:53,824 --> 00:21:55,864 Speaker 3: all great when they were first meeting and they were 474 00:21:55,864 --> 00:21:57,464 Speaker 3: having sex and hooking up. But once I at a 475 00:21:57,504 --> 00:21:59,504 Speaker 3: restaurant together, the two of them sitting there looking each 476 00:21:59,504 --> 00:22:02,144 Speaker 3: other across the table, having nothing to talk about but 477 00:22:02,184 --> 00:22:04,984 Speaker 3: what type of cavia, it just fizzled pretty quickly. 478 00:22:05,104 --> 00:22:06,704 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with your assessment there. 479 00:22:06,744 --> 00:22:08,704 Speaker 3: And then she says, in the book it talks about 480 00:22:08,744 --> 00:22:11,024 Speaker 3: ben Affleck apart from the facts. When they were tea 481 00:22:11,064 --> 00:22:14,184 Speaker 3: bagging outside of that room, he would just like play 482 00:22:14,264 --> 00:22:17,424 Speaker 3: video games ignore her. It made her want him even 483 00:22:17,504 --> 00:22:19,584 Speaker 3: more and when he did kind of I guess I 484 00:22:19,584 --> 00:22:21,224 Speaker 3: think of like when he throws you like a look, 485 00:22:21,264 --> 00:22:23,064 Speaker 3: it feels even more special because you had to work 486 00:22:23,104 --> 00:22:23,464 Speaker 3: for it. 487 00:22:23,544 --> 00:22:25,864 Speaker 2: Is the playing hard to get like that trade to 488 00:22:25,944 --> 00:22:26,624 Speaker 2: main keep him? 489 00:22:26,704 --> 00:22:28,784 Speaker 3: Can I think that Ben Affleck knew he was doing that? 490 00:22:29,104 --> 00:22:31,744 Speaker 3: Gotten a limon say that he wasn't strategically playing games. 491 00:22:32,064 --> 00:22:34,744 Speaker 3: He was playing his video game, but he just didn't 492 00:22:34,784 --> 00:22:35,584 Speaker 3: know how to sort of be. 493 00:22:35,824 --> 00:22:38,544 Speaker 2: And I think also this is like his peak alcoholism. 494 00:22:39,224 --> 00:22:40,104 Speaker 3: They say that the way. 495 00:22:41,504 --> 00:22:44,304 Speaker 2: Like his ultimate bad boy era. It's interesting that you 496 00:22:44,344 --> 00:22:44,784 Speaker 2: say that, we. 497 00:22:44,784 --> 00:22:46,984 Speaker 1: Almost feels like we've got the whole book because there's 498 00:22:47,024 --> 00:22:51,664 Speaker 1: been so many like revelations already and we don't even 499 00:22:51,744 --> 00:22:55,104 Speaker 1: have it. The one that I found quite interesting was 500 00:22:55,144 --> 00:22:56,904 Speaker 1: the relationship with Madonna. 501 00:22:57,944 --> 00:23:00,864 Speaker 3: Yeah, what's set in the book about her female friendships 502 00:23:00,904 --> 00:23:03,224 Speaker 3: to me is a lot more groundbreaking than what's said 503 00:23:03,224 --> 00:23:03,944 Speaker 3: and there about the men. 504 00:23:04,424 --> 00:23:05,984 Speaker 2: I actually agree with you. 505 00:23:06,064 --> 00:23:10,584 Speaker 1: I think it paints a picture of pretension and a 506 00:23:10,584 --> 00:23:14,824 Speaker 1: bit above people. Because the reason that the relationship between 507 00:23:14,824 --> 00:23:19,344 Speaker 1: Gwyneth Paltrow and Madonna deteriorates is because they're. 508 00:23:19,144 --> 00:23:20,304 Speaker 2: At this big group dinner. 509 00:23:20,824 --> 00:23:25,184 Speaker 1: Madonna invites Chris Martin and Gwyneth to this dinner, and 510 00:23:26,344 --> 00:23:31,824 Speaker 1: Gwyneth and Chris c Madonna yelling at her daughter, and 511 00:23:32,384 --> 00:23:35,384 Speaker 1: Chris Martin is like, ill, this is gross, and then 512 00:23:35,704 --> 00:23:39,264 Speaker 1: Gwyneth goes, yeah, she's toxic. Like for me, that feels 513 00:23:39,384 --> 00:23:44,264 Speaker 1: very That's an interesting reason to cut a friendship off. 514 00:23:44,504 --> 00:23:47,584 Speaker 1: I'm sure that will be given more in the book 515 00:23:47,704 --> 00:23:49,704 Speaker 1: about that particular relationship. 516 00:23:49,784 --> 00:23:51,784 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so fair. There was a real moment in 517 00:23:51,864 --> 00:23:54,904 Speaker 3: time when Madonna and Gwyneth, like at least publicly, were 518 00:23:55,064 --> 00:23:58,144 Speaker 3: very inseparable, and they were very bound together by like 519 00:23:58,504 --> 00:24:02,064 Speaker 3: health practices and the way they ate and spirituality. Yeah, 520 00:24:02,144 --> 00:24:04,384 Speaker 3: that was a huge thing, man. I couldn't even tell 521 00:24:04,424 --> 00:24:06,104 Speaker 3: you now one hundreds of Cabbala was. But there was 522 00:24:06,304 --> 00:24:08,664 Speaker 3: a point in time when every single celebrity in Hollywood, 523 00:24:08,664 --> 00:24:11,984 Speaker 3: at least from the tabloids, into that religion. There was 524 00:24:12,024 --> 00:24:14,064 Speaker 3: the bracelet, the red tie. Yeah, I think it was 525 00:24:14,064 --> 00:24:15,784 Speaker 3: like seven. I was like, should I wear a red tie? 526 00:24:15,864 --> 00:24:17,344 Speaker 3: Not even knowing what the. 527 00:24:17,784 --> 00:24:22,144 Speaker 2: Like live strong plastic bracelets kabbala. 528 00:24:21,944 --> 00:24:24,144 Speaker 3: Yeah, and not knowing like the whole context behind it. 529 00:24:24,224 --> 00:24:25,504 Speaker 3: But that's celebrity culture for you. 530 00:24:25,624 --> 00:24:25,864 Speaker 2: Yeah. 531 00:24:25,904 --> 00:24:27,824 Speaker 3: But yes, I also think from that part of the 532 00:24:27,864 --> 00:24:30,024 Speaker 3: book too, there's that part where she talks about she 533 00:24:30,064 --> 00:24:31,904 Speaker 3: doesn't even know how Madonna found out they were on 534 00:24:31,944 --> 00:24:34,224 Speaker 3: the island, that she and Chris were holidaying there. All 535 00:24:34,264 --> 00:24:37,104 Speaker 3: of a sudden, Madonna appears with her kids and her entourage, 536 00:24:37,584 --> 00:24:40,624 Speaker 3: muscles in on dinner, screams at her daughter, and then 537 00:24:40,704 --> 00:24:42,424 Speaker 3: Chris is like, I can't take this anymore, which I 538 00:24:42,504 --> 00:24:44,824 Speaker 3: almost like maybe they thought she was being like, not 539 00:24:44,864 --> 00:24:47,464 Speaker 3: abusive in like a physical sense, but it was just 540 00:24:47,584 --> 00:24:52,744 Speaker 3: maybe an awful family moment they didn't want to see obnoxious. Yeah, potentially, 541 00:24:52,944 --> 00:24:53,584 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. 542 00:24:53,664 --> 00:24:56,544 Speaker 1: I think I get that vibe from Madonna sometimes. Yeah, 543 00:24:56,624 --> 00:24:59,984 Speaker 1: maybe that's a sense, like maybe because Chris Martin gives 544 00:25:00,024 --> 00:25:02,824 Speaker 1: me the vibe of more chill, more chill, like kind 545 00:25:02,824 --> 00:25:05,144 Speaker 1: of cool and even you know, they're conscious uncoupling. That 546 00:25:05,224 --> 00:25:09,224 Speaker 1: was that's that reeks of like we're really cool. Yeah, 547 00:25:09,264 --> 00:25:10,864 Speaker 1: of course, still okay with it, like. 548 00:25:10,784 --> 00:25:14,784 Speaker 2: That kind of very chill. But Madonna is Madonna. 549 00:25:14,944 --> 00:25:17,904 Speaker 1: Yeah, she's incredible, and maybe she's a bit obnoxious and 550 00:25:17,944 --> 00:25:19,864 Speaker 1: a bit loud and a bit American. 551 00:25:19,984 --> 00:25:22,664 Speaker 3: Yeah no, yeah, i'd say I'd say there's probably a 552 00:25:22,704 --> 00:25:24,144 Speaker 3: lot more in the book too. That was cut. That's 553 00:25:24,144 --> 00:25:26,464 Speaker 3: what I'm hoping all of these little like parts that 554 00:25:26,504 --> 00:25:29,184 Speaker 3: we've seen are just gateways to bigger stories in the book, 555 00:25:29,184 --> 00:25:31,344 Speaker 3: because the thing is, like, there's so much Laura around 556 00:25:31,344 --> 00:25:33,744 Speaker 3: Gwyneth Paltrow, and there's so many stories that are like 557 00:25:33,984 --> 00:25:36,464 Speaker 3: half fiction or being told in whispers, and people don't 558 00:25:36,504 --> 00:25:39,624 Speaker 3: really know the answer. The other famous woman that's listed 559 00:25:39,664 --> 00:25:41,464 Speaker 3: in there in the book and who like a bit 560 00:25:41,504 --> 00:25:43,304 Speaker 3: has been released about is Winona Writer. 561 00:25:43,544 --> 00:25:43,904 Speaker 2: Yeah. 562 00:25:43,944 --> 00:25:47,344 Speaker 3: So Winona Writer and Gwyneth Paltrow were the ick girls 563 00:25:47,464 --> 00:25:50,304 Speaker 3: of like the nineties pretty much. They were very very 564 00:25:50,304 --> 00:25:52,504 Speaker 3: close friends. And because it was also the time when 565 00:25:52,504 --> 00:25:56,104 Speaker 3: Gwyneth Paltrow was dating bet Affleck and Winona Writer was 566 00:25:56,184 --> 00:25:59,264 Speaker 3: dating Matt Damon, so they were like this foursome in Hollywood. 567 00:25:59,344 --> 00:26:02,024 Speaker 3: Four hot talent had reached people who spent all their 568 00:26:02,064 --> 00:26:05,824 Speaker 3: time together. And then Gwyneth and Wenoda had a very 569 00:26:05,864 --> 00:26:09,024 Speaker 3: infamous friendship breakup that they've never really spoken about, but 570 00:26:09,104 --> 00:26:13,064 Speaker 3: the story always wore that Winona Writer had been offered 571 00:26:13,064 --> 00:26:15,264 Speaker 3: the part in Shakespeare in Love and that she had 572 00:26:15,424 --> 00:26:18,504 Speaker 3: chased it really hard because she thought that was going 573 00:26:18,584 --> 00:26:21,424 Speaker 3: to be her kind of big break into that next 574 00:26:21,504 --> 00:26:23,504 Speaker 3: level of critical acclaim, and that she was going to 575 00:26:23,544 --> 00:26:25,904 Speaker 3: win an oscar. And then The story goes that the 576 00:26:26,024 --> 00:26:28,584 Speaker 3: script was on her coffee table, Gwyneth came over to 577 00:26:28,664 --> 00:26:30,624 Speaker 3: visit her and pretty much got in the car with 578 00:26:30,664 --> 00:26:34,064 Speaker 3: the script drove away called Harvey Weinstein, got the role 579 00:26:34,104 --> 00:26:36,864 Speaker 3: off Wanona and then won an oscar for it, and 580 00:26:36,904 --> 00:26:38,984 Speaker 3: the two of them never spoke again. Is the story 581 00:26:39,024 --> 00:26:41,184 Speaker 3: that's been out there for many, many years, and neither 582 00:26:41,224 --> 00:26:43,464 Speaker 3: of them, well, I mean, Gwenneth has said over it 583 00:26:43,544 --> 00:26:45,584 Speaker 3: a few times over the years that the story wasn't true, 584 00:26:45,584 --> 00:26:49,024 Speaker 3: but she's never elaborated, and in the book Amy O'Dell 585 00:26:49,104 --> 00:26:52,224 Speaker 3: has written that, according to her sources, Gwyneth was really 586 00:26:52,304 --> 00:26:55,024 Speaker 3: upset about that story being out because she said she 587 00:26:55,144 --> 00:26:57,864 Speaker 3: was already chasing the role and that she didn't take 588 00:26:57,904 --> 00:27:00,824 Speaker 3: it off Renona. But she believes that Winona writer planted 589 00:27:00,824 --> 00:27:03,464 Speaker 3: that story to get ahead of her Oscar win so 590 00:27:03,504 --> 00:27:05,664 Speaker 3: she would always look like the mean girl. And we 591 00:27:05,744 --> 00:27:07,224 Speaker 3: just know that they've never spoken since. 592 00:27:07,384 --> 00:27:11,944 Speaker 1: Yeah, so from our favorite Harvey Einstein, he says it 593 00:27:12,024 --> 00:27:14,104 Speaker 1: was never since to Wenona as an offer, but Wenona 594 00:27:14,184 --> 00:27:16,664 Speaker 1: wanted to do the part and Gwyneth had recommended her 595 00:27:16,704 --> 00:27:19,664 Speaker 1: for the part, which is interesting. 596 00:27:20,184 --> 00:27:21,984 Speaker 3: And then other studio people have said over the years 597 00:27:21,984 --> 00:27:23,984 Speaker 3: I live. The think everyone's got a different story about 598 00:27:23,984 --> 00:27:24,824 Speaker 3: the Shakespeare in Love. 599 00:27:24,864 --> 00:27:29,624 Speaker 1: For all though, I think Gwyneth and Wanona are such 600 00:27:29,744 --> 00:27:33,304 Speaker 1: different like I would never see them in the same role. 601 00:27:34,024 --> 00:27:38,984 Speaker 2: They are such different actors to me. Winona more so. 602 00:27:39,784 --> 00:27:42,264 Speaker 1: Obviously, she kind of got into that Tim Burton spooky 603 00:27:42,464 --> 00:27:45,184 Speaker 1: like ed sans like, she kind of leant into that 604 00:27:45,304 --> 00:27:48,664 Speaker 1: part and you know, the girl interrupted kind of a 605 00:27:48,704 --> 00:27:52,424 Speaker 1: little bit more raw, whereas Gwyneth has always had this 606 00:27:52,584 --> 00:27:56,744 Speaker 1: very polished, pretty emma Shakespeare in Love, you know, beautiful like. 607 00:27:56,944 --> 00:28:00,184 Speaker 1: To me from an outsider's perspective, I wouldn't ever think 608 00:28:00,184 --> 00:28:01,864 Speaker 1: of them going for the same role. 609 00:28:02,064 --> 00:28:04,504 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think maybe Nemeby not now. But I think 610 00:28:04,784 --> 00:28:07,944 Speaker 3: at that moment in time, they were both so fresh 611 00:28:07,984 --> 00:28:10,104 Speaker 3: in their careers. I mean, obviously, Wenona had been acting 612 00:28:10,104 --> 00:28:13,144 Speaker 3: a lot longer professionally and had been like as more 613 00:28:13,144 --> 00:28:15,624 Speaker 3: of like a teen actress and Mermaids, was sharing things 614 00:28:15,664 --> 00:28:17,984 Speaker 3: like that and was coming up into that world and 615 00:28:18,064 --> 00:28:20,224 Speaker 3: Heathers and all those sorts of things. And Gwyneth had 616 00:28:20,264 --> 00:28:22,704 Speaker 3: had some breakout roles, but Shakespeare in Love really was 617 00:28:22,744 --> 00:28:25,464 Speaker 3: the one that put her on the map. And I 618 00:28:25,464 --> 00:28:28,264 Speaker 3: think at the time they were just both beautiful onngrew 619 00:28:28,264 --> 00:28:31,224 Speaker 3: News with the pixie faces and that kind of very 620 00:28:31,264 --> 00:28:33,304 Speaker 3: like wafy aesthetic that was huge at the time, So 621 00:28:33,304 --> 00:28:34,704 Speaker 3: I feel like that was a moment in time where 622 00:28:34,704 --> 00:28:37,144 Speaker 3: they would have been going for all the same roles. 623 00:28:37,184 --> 00:28:40,264 Speaker 3: But it's really interesting because obviously Gwyneth Paltrow won the 624 00:28:40,304 --> 00:28:43,664 Speaker 3: Oscar for that, which was the endgame of what she wanted, 625 00:28:43,704 --> 00:28:46,344 Speaker 3: but then the aftermath of that is really famous because 626 00:28:46,824 --> 00:28:48,984 Speaker 3: first of all, people thought that she shouldn't have won, 627 00:28:49,104 --> 00:28:51,584 Speaker 3: and that she only won because her famous parents and 628 00:28:51,624 --> 00:28:55,424 Speaker 3: her team and Harvey Weinstein was the ultimate kind of 629 00:28:55,464 --> 00:28:58,704 Speaker 3: decision maker behind the scenes for the Oscars. People thought 630 00:28:58,704 --> 00:29:00,824 Speaker 3: that there had been strings pulled behind the scenes with 631 00:29:00,864 --> 00:29:02,784 Speaker 3: the Oscar voters, which we know with campaigns and things 632 00:29:02,864 --> 00:29:03,624 Speaker 3: can happen. 633 00:29:03,704 --> 00:29:06,104 Speaker 2: And that movie is not very good. I'm sorry. 634 00:29:06,424 --> 00:29:08,664 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean, I don't, I don't. 635 00:29:08,944 --> 00:29:11,184 Speaker 1: I think that's probably one of the biggest sets in 636 00:29:11,304 --> 00:29:14,104 Speaker 1: terms of Oscar's history of Shakespeare in Love waiting Best 637 00:29:14,144 --> 00:29:19,944 Speaker 1: Picture it it's kind of one of those very contentious wins. 638 00:29:20,064 --> 00:29:23,384 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because retroactively we look back and look at 639 00:29:23,384 --> 00:29:25,904 Speaker 1: a lot of Best Picture wins and Best Actress wins, 640 00:29:25,944 --> 00:29:28,024 Speaker 1: and in those categories a lot of them still do 641 00:29:28,064 --> 00:29:30,504 Speaker 1: stand up, but this one particularly was like. 642 00:29:30,624 --> 00:29:33,344 Speaker 3: What Yeah, But the thing is, usually it takes sometimes 643 00:29:33,344 --> 00:29:35,464 Speaker 3: a couple of years to be forbed to be quite angry. 644 00:29:35,464 --> 00:29:38,024 Speaker 3: But people were angry like the moment she won. They 645 00:29:38,064 --> 00:29:40,024 Speaker 3: were angry that she won for that role. They were 646 00:29:40,024 --> 00:29:42,304 Speaker 3: angry that she beat Kate Blanchette, who was up in 647 00:29:42,304 --> 00:29:45,824 Speaker 3: the same category for Elizabeth and yeah, and who everyone 648 00:29:45,904 --> 00:29:48,824 Speaker 3: thought that she should have won, that her performance was better. 649 00:29:48,984 --> 00:29:51,624 Speaker 3: She got so raked over the coals for her gown 650 00:29:51,704 --> 00:29:53,024 Speaker 3: that Ralph Lauren pink gown. 651 00:29:53,104 --> 00:29:54,024 Speaker 2: I thought it was beautiful. 652 00:29:54,424 --> 00:29:56,584 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's also very of its time, but 653 00:29:56,664 --> 00:29:58,984 Speaker 3: it just wasn't fitted properly to the front. And also 654 00:29:59,064 --> 00:30:00,984 Speaker 3: in the book, Amy O'Dell writes about the fact that 655 00:30:01,024 --> 00:30:03,584 Speaker 3: she was losing weight very rapidly and they kept trying 656 00:30:03,584 --> 00:30:05,784 Speaker 3: to refit it and they couldn't refit it. And then 657 00:30:05,824 --> 00:30:08,024 Speaker 3: she also was wearing this Diemond necklace and she sat 658 00:30:08,104 --> 00:30:09,864 Speaker 3: on the red carpet. If I win, Daddy will buy 659 00:30:09,864 --> 00:30:11,304 Speaker 3: it for me. And I think she meant to say 660 00:30:11,304 --> 00:30:13,544 Speaker 3: that in a really endearing way because she's really close 661 00:30:13,544 --> 00:30:15,864 Speaker 3: to her father and also they're like filthy rich, so 662 00:30:16,024 --> 00:30:18,064 Speaker 3: that just tracks. But she got really raked over the 663 00:30:18,064 --> 00:30:20,544 Speaker 3: calls for that, and then it says in the book 664 00:30:20,624 --> 00:30:22,544 Speaker 3: she didn't get out of bed for ten days because 665 00:30:22,584 --> 00:30:25,744 Speaker 3: she was so overwhelmed by the attention the backlash, which 666 00:30:25,784 --> 00:30:28,304 Speaker 3: I've heard her talk about the before, that her family 667 00:30:28,304 --> 00:30:30,304 Speaker 3: and friends kept calling her, and her mum, who's also 668 00:30:30,304 --> 00:30:33,184 Speaker 3: a famous actress, like a very famous actress, was calling 669 00:30:33,184 --> 00:30:36,144 Speaker 3: and leaving messages on her voicemail and saying, well, you 670 00:30:36,144 --> 00:30:37,544 Speaker 3: think you're too good to speak to us now that 671 00:30:37,584 --> 00:30:38,944 Speaker 3: you want an oscar. And then it got to the 672 00:30:38,984 --> 00:30:41,824 Speaker 3: point everyone's like, is she alive still, Like we have 673 00:30:41,864 --> 00:30:43,824 Speaker 3: to go to a welfare check on Gwyneth, and she 674 00:30:44,024 --> 00:30:46,544 Speaker 3: was like in a complete meltdownstair. 675 00:30:46,624 --> 00:30:46,784 Speaker 2: Yeah. 676 00:30:46,784 --> 00:30:48,984 Speaker 1: And I think this is also when we get that 677 00:30:49,104 --> 00:30:51,944 Speaker 1: thick skin that comes in, you know, when you're in 678 00:30:51,984 --> 00:30:56,384 Speaker 1: that industry, especially getting so much flack for something so 679 00:30:56,504 --> 00:30:58,704 Speaker 1: early on in your career, where you know, this is 680 00:30:58,744 --> 00:31:00,384 Speaker 1: the one thing that you've wanted. For people to say 681 00:31:00,384 --> 00:31:02,544 Speaker 1: that you don't deserve it would be very challenging. And 682 00:31:02,584 --> 00:31:06,464 Speaker 1: so I can definitely see how now in her fifties, 683 00:31:06,984 --> 00:31:10,264 Speaker 1: she is like been through us like I don't care. 684 00:31:11,064 --> 00:31:13,144 Speaker 1: It's like she's got her own vibe, Like this is 685 00:31:13,184 --> 00:31:16,464 Speaker 1: where Goop came from. Goop was started in two thousand 686 00:31:16,464 --> 00:31:18,864 Speaker 1: and eight. Like, yeah, she was so ahead of her 687 00:31:18,904 --> 00:31:23,464 Speaker 1: time in terms of like wellness culture and like the 688 00:31:23,584 --> 00:31:30,184 Speaker 1: alternative medicine wellness, energy healing and vaginal steaming and all 689 00:31:30,184 --> 00:31:33,504 Speaker 1: of those things that really put Goop on the map. 690 00:31:34,464 --> 00:31:36,544 Speaker 2: She kind of set the stage for it. 691 00:31:36,584 --> 00:31:42,784 Speaker 1: She's the one that started the mainstream acceptance of alternative medicine. 692 00:31:43,184 --> 00:31:46,024 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, And I feel like it's just yeah, I 693 00:31:46,024 --> 00:31:47,744 Speaker 3: think it's so interesting. What else will kind of this 694 00:31:47,744 --> 00:31:49,184 Speaker 3: book when it does kind of like it's not coming 695 00:31:49,184 --> 00:31:51,864 Speaker 3: out a straight until the first week of August. But 696 00:31:51,984 --> 00:31:54,864 Speaker 3: I also think like she's not the kind of celebrity 697 00:31:54,864 --> 00:31:57,264 Speaker 3: who will like put out a statement or he'll do 698 00:31:57,304 --> 00:31:59,424 Speaker 3: it interview or anything like that. I feel like she'll 699 00:31:59,464 --> 00:32:01,264 Speaker 3: probably just like she'll get asked about it in some 700 00:32:01,384 --> 00:32:04,664 Speaker 3: random podcast interview with a guru and she'll laugh it off. 701 00:32:04,864 --> 00:32:06,504 Speaker 3: I think if there's anything in there though she is 702 00:32:06,544 --> 00:32:09,424 Speaker 3: really upset about, she will really nail down on it. 703 00:32:09,984 --> 00:32:12,664 Speaker 3: What's it gwnne. There's so much misinformation about her, But 704 00:32:12,664 --> 00:32:15,144 Speaker 3: I feel like she only latches onto certain things, like 705 00:32:15,184 --> 00:32:18,624 Speaker 3: she'll let so many huge rumors about herself go because 706 00:32:18,624 --> 00:32:20,024 Speaker 3: she's like, no, if you want to talk about me, 707 00:32:20,064 --> 00:32:21,904 Speaker 3: talk about me, I'm maybe here living my life. But 708 00:32:21,944 --> 00:32:23,944 Speaker 3: then a man will say you hit me on the slopes, 709 00:32:23,984 --> 00:32:25,704 Speaker 3: and she'll be like, I will take you to court 710 00:32:25,784 --> 00:32:28,024 Speaker 3: for everything until you admit you are a liar. Like 711 00:32:28,064 --> 00:32:30,464 Speaker 3: there are just some stories that she doesn't want to 712 00:32:30,464 --> 00:32:32,264 Speaker 3: be told. So I'm interested to read the book, and 713 00:32:32,264 --> 00:32:34,744 Speaker 3: I'm also very interested to see her reaction and to 714 00:32:34,784 --> 00:32:37,504 Speaker 3: see the one thing that she kind of won't take 715 00:32:37,624 --> 00:32:38,104 Speaker 3: lying down. 716 00:32:38,264 --> 00:32:42,224 Speaker 1: Yeah, we will keep you guys updated on any other 717 00:32:42,344 --> 00:32:46,344 Speaker 1: sort of glaringly obvious things that we miss in once 718 00:32:46,344 --> 00:32:48,984 Speaker 1: the book is released, once we've read it, and we'll 719 00:32:49,064 --> 00:32:51,704 Speaker 1: keep you posted on it. But yeah, it's definitely going 720 00:32:51,744 --> 00:32:56,264 Speaker 1: to be a fascinating read and no better biographer to 721 00:32:56,344 --> 00:32:56,664 Speaker 1: do it. 722 00:32:57,424 --> 00:33:00,064 Speaker 2: Well. 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