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Speaker 2: Mama Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters

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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on Hello friends, E's Lee here,

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Speaker 2: and no I'm not confused. It's not Wednesday when nothing

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Speaker 2: to wear drops, but you beauty drops on Mondays. And

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Speaker 2: this episode I'm about to put here has been one

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Speaker 2: of our most popular yet, so I thought you might

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Speaker 2: like to have a listen. Enjoy. Makeup is my therapy.

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Speaker 2: I'm obsessed and I don't even feel jailty body. Hello,

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Speaker 2: and welcome to you Beauty, the daily podcast for Your Face.

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Speaker 2: I'm Lee Campbell, I'm Kelly McCarran. Your face is beautiful today.

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Speaker 1: Have you noticed, like we discussed last Monday, I've got

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Speaker 2: On your hair? Is your natural wave? Are we going

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Speaker 2: to talk about that?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Listen. I still had to tame it a fair

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Speaker 2: I can't believe in seven years of doing this with you,

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Speaker 2: I've never seen it.

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Speaker 1: You have, and every time I leave it natural, you go,

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Speaker 1: oh you never We're neutral.

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Speaker 2: You should because sometimes enough yet.

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Speaker 1: For you to remember, because you do have the memory

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Speaker 2: Well we don't have a question today about waves, but

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Speaker 1: Well, exactly in case anyone else's a goldfish and forgets

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Speaker 1: what we do on Mondays. We answer your questions, and

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Speaker 1: we've got two fantastic questions today. Later on in the episode,

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Speaker 1: we've got one about feeling an Eyebrowser's actually like, you know,

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Speaker 1: one of those questions. It makes good. Oh yeah, just

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Speaker 1: one of those things that we say all the time.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I couldn't help, but wonder asked me anything.

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Speaker 2: You ask many questions. But first up, we've got a

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Speaker 1: I'm seeking some urgent advice before I spend big hair extensions.

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Speaker 1: What is the feedback from the girls that you beauty? Yes? No,

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Speaker 1: Which are the best? I don't want them for length,

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Speaker 1: Which ones are the best and most natural, which would

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Speaker 1: the same? Please help? I have no idea where to start.

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Speaker 1: It is there is so much information online and they

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Speaker 1: both help. Kelly had extensions until recently and in my

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Speaker 2: Back then it was kind of like I had tape

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Speaker 2: and then what's the other one where it's that bond?

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Speaker 2: Well, Susan, you say you have fine hair and you

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Speaker 2: I've got a few things to tell you about. But

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Speaker 2: So look, if I were to ever get hair extensions

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Speaker 2: Medusa is a brand that does really good clipins, and

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Speaker 1: Truna has sent us a DM, ladies, I need to

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Speaker 1: ask a silly question.

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Speaker 2: No such thing, no such thing.

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Speaker 1: What exactly does feeling in my eyebrows mean? I currently

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Speaker 1: did you feel any brows like that? Or oh, make

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Speaker 1: sure you put that in your crease? That'd be nice,

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Speaker 1: Like we say something lingo, things that would make no sense.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: And for a long time it was sort of like

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Speaker 2: so well, I've said here in the notes, but I

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Speaker 2: haven't looked at Kelly's notes that you're probably gonna rap

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Speaker 2: about benefit of course, all right, well will you do

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Speaker 2: that first? And I've brought non benefit products because you're

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Speaker 2: a bushy bitch.

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Speaker 1: I'm so bushy.

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Speaker 2: I've got very patchy eyebrows, getting patchier as I age,

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Speaker 2: So I think that she's probably more on my level.

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Speaker 1: When I think of feeling in my brows, as I'm

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Speaker 2: Benefit has a whole bunch like they've got super super

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Speaker 1: And no one's natural eyebrow would be the exact same,

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Speaker 2: Mechamax Brow Guru Micromatic pencil. This has got one of

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Speaker 2: Anastasia Beverly Hills dip brow pomarde is great and does

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Speaker 2: is the Mabe Lene Tattoo brow pomade pot same vibe

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Speaker 1: It was such a good question, though very hard to

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Speaker 1: We need to talk mist to a video today, yeah, straight, because.

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Speaker 1: Huh? After the break host tax host Tax and Lee,

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Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I hate her hack. Excuse me.

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Speaker 2: It's life changing in a good and bad way.

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Speaker 1: What a you makeup hacks?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So mine is it's not for your pause and

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Speaker 2: I know, but I just don't ever want to see

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Speaker 2: myself that close. Kelly. So it's to get a magnifying mirror.

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Speaker 2: Not groundbreaking, I know, not quite as groundbreaking as getting

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Speaker 2: a bobby pin. But those magnifying mirrors you can get

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Speaker 2: absolutely everywhere. It's on a stand, you flip it over.

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Speaker 2: One side's normal, the other sides like ten times magnified aggressive.

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Speaker 2: You get them from Meyer, you get them from Amazon,

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Speaker 2: That's what Daymark, Yeah, to take to the hospital the

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Speaker 2: to get a chin hairs. Oh a far fair fair Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Really, I just feel like looking at myself that closely

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Speaker 2: It will look at the start, I was like, oh

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Speaker 2: my god, that poor Oh my god, that hair, Oh

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Speaker 2: my god. That But you know, to do your makeup

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Speaker 2: I literally just loved it. Now I do it at

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Speaker 2: I haven't done it today, can you tell? I just

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Speaker 2: love it? What about you?

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Speaker 1: I've got an anti hack.

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Speaker 2: I love these ones an.

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Speaker 1: Anti hack, So I don't know about uli but my

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Speaker 1: algorithm is full of join me from my morning shed videos.

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Speaker 2: What the hell? I just I don't even watch them.

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Speaker 2: Can you tell me what happens?

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Speaker 1: Okay? So just if you've never seen this type of

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Speaker 1: basically someone comes on camera and they say, do my

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Speaker 1: morning shed, and they're literally shedding layers. So they'll have

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Speaker 2: This overnight thick sheet masky things you can do.

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Speaker 1: Yah. Yeah, then they'll put the overnight thick sheet mask

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Speaker 1: on their face. Oh, they tape their mouth as well.

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Speaker 2: I feel suffocated.

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Speaker 1: Yes, then they do like chest ones. They wrap their tummy. Yes,

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Speaker 1: they put all of these different devices like wrap. No crap.

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Speaker 2: Basically, I feel really chastrophobic. And then what's it meant

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Speaker 2: don't they just throw serumon moisturize at a.

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Speaker 1: Bit literally, Okay, because that doesn't make good content. So

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Speaker 1: it is stupid and unnecessary and you do not need

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Speaker 2: Who has time to do that at night and in

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Speaker 2: the morning? And how would you sleep with like gun

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Speaker 1: I love it. People ask these questions and then they go, well,

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Speaker 1: I do have time. I make the time because I

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Speaker 1: Average people do not have forty minutes to apply shed.

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Speaker 2: I feel too suffocated if I've got too much things, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And also I don't actually I reckon. Ninety percent of

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Speaker 2: They're putting it on in the morning and they're filming.

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Speaker 1: Because it is good for shock value on social media.

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Speaker 1: You have to do those sorts of things to get views.

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Speaker 1: If they were sleeping it, they would be smashing the

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Speaker 1: zannies because absolutely I could not sleep, No way could

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Speaker 2: So I get the night sweats, so specking of all

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Speaker 2: those players. Ew. But look, if you do it, good

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Speaker 2: luck to you. But if you feel the pressure of

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Speaker 2: Don't don't begred.

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Speaker 1: We're not doing it because it's really not going to

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Speaker 1: make that big of a difference at the end of

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Speaker 2: Totally On that note, thank you for listening. Don't forget.

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Speaker 1: This episode of You Beauty is produced by Molly Harwood,

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Speaker 1: with audio production by Teagan Sadler. Bye Bye,