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Speaker 1: You're listening to a mother and Mia podcast. Mama Miya

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Speaker 1: acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters that this

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Speaker 1: podcast is recorded on. Hello, it's me a popping into

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Speaker 1: downloaded episodes of No Filter ever. It was an interview

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Speaker 1: that I did with Sophie Dalzzio and twenty twenty. She

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Speaker 1: was a name that many people knew, and you'll hear

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Speaker 1: a little bit about her experience in a second from her.

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Speaker 1: But the update is that her personal life has taken

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Speaker 1: a really beautiful turn. She reconnected with a man called

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Speaker 1: Joseph Soileno, who was a friend that she'd known since

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Speaker 1: she was six years old. They got engaged in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three, and in September last year, Sophie and Joseph

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Speaker 1: had a little boy called Frankie. Here's my conversation with

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Speaker 1: Sophie Dalzsio. It's one of the most extraordinary stories ever

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Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, Elbot.

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Speaker 1: You for having us. You'll remember her name, and if

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Speaker 1: it just rings a bell but you can't place it,

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Speaker 1: you'll remember her story. On an ordinary day in two

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Speaker 1: childcare center, pinning two toddlers underneath the burning car. It

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Speaker 1: was right before Christmas and all the kids were having

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Speaker 1: nap time, excitedly waiting for Santa to visit. Two year

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Speaker 1: old Sophie Delizio and her little friend Molly Wood were

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Speaker 1: horribly injured and for a time it wasn't known if

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Speaker 1: Sophie would survive. She had burns to eighty five percent

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Speaker 1: of her tiny body. She lost both her legs below

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Speaker 1: though she left hospital. Her family and it seemed all

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Speaker 1: three years later, Sophie was here by another car whose

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Speaker 1: driver had a seizure, just as her nanny carefully pushed

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Speaker 1: through Sophie more than eighteen meters from her wheelchair. She

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Speaker 1: Australia prayed for Sophie. But after all of that, Sophie

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Speaker 2: For me, and my prosthetics are my main type of freedom.

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Speaker 2: I need my prosthetics to drive my car. I need

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Speaker 1: From Mamma Maya, I'm Meya Friedman, and you're listening to

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Speaker 1: No Filter, a weekly podcasts with people like Sophie who

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Speaker 1: tell their stories very candidly and aren't afraid to be

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Speaker 1: all kinds of vulnerable. Today I am speaking to that

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Speaker 1: little girl, Sophie Delizio and her mum Caroline Carolyn. What's that?

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Speaker 1: It's just such a funny interview because I'm saying, what's

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Speaker 1: So I want to ask you about the first couple

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Speaker 3: Well, Ron and I were both running our own businesses.

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Speaker 3: I said, Peter, I recall the words, and he would

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Speaker 1: He sounds like he had an amazing bedside manner.

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Speaker 2: And thankfully he works at adult hospitals as well.

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Speaker 2: One of the best things was that my hospital from

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Speaker 2: The biggest ritual was always to go out for dinner

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Speaker 3: an underrecognized group. I joined him up to Siblings Australia

438
00:23:06,445 --> 00:23:11,525
Speaker 3: straight away, and it's a charity of foundation that was

439
00:23:11,565 --> 00:23:14,005
Speaker 3: set up by a women in South Australia. It's the

440
00:23:14,045 --> 00:23:17,085
Speaker 3: only one I could find, but I wanted to show

441
00:23:17,165 --> 00:23:20,605
Speaker 3: him that there was support there for him. I always

442
00:23:20,725 --> 00:23:24,565
Speaker 3: made sure that he had access to all supports that

443
00:23:24,645 --> 00:23:28,485
Speaker 3: he would need from a counseling point of view, and

444
00:23:28,525 --> 00:23:32,365
Speaker 3: that he felt as involved. The staff of the children's

445
00:23:32,365 --> 00:23:35,485
Speaker 3: hospital really looked out for him. As I mentioned, the

446
00:23:35,565 --> 00:23:38,445
Speaker 3: ladies and the canteen still ask after him when we

447
00:23:38,485 --> 00:23:41,925
Speaker 3: go in, so he was as loved a member of

448
00:23:42,005 --> 00:23:45,405
Speaker 3: the community. What we did when we were living in

449
00:23:45,445 --> 00:23:49,525
Speaker 3: the hospital for him because of the intensity of the

450
00:23:49,565 --> 00:23:53,645
Speaker 3: week and I guess the rawness of n and our emotion,

451
00:23:53,885 --> 00:23:57,685
Speaker 3: my emotions. In order to give him some normality and

452
00:23:57,845 --> 00:24:02,365
Speaker 3: routine in his life. My parents moved over from New Zealand.

453
00:24:02,805 --> 00:24:05,685
Speaker 3: We had previously lived in Australia, so it was an

454
00:24:05,765 --> 00:24:08,845
Speaker 3: easy transition for them. But they came and lived in

455
00:24:08,885 --> 00:24:12,525
Speaker 3: our home for a year and my mother became his

456
00:24:12,605 --> 00:24:15,205
Speaker 3: principal care Yeah, so she would get him to take

457
00:24:15,245 --> 00:24:20,085
Speaker 3: care and you know, teach him to walk numbers down

458
00:24:20,085 --> 00:24:22,525
Speaker 3: the road and look at the side posters.

459
00:24:22,285 --> 00:24:26,565
Speaker 1: So you could really relax that side and go that sorted.

460
00:24:26,805 --> 00:24:28,685
Speaker 1: I can really just focus my energy.

461
00:24:28,685 --> 00:24:30,365
Speaker 3: And he would come in for the latter half of

462
00:24:30,405 --> 00:24:33,765
Speaker 3: the week and the weekend and it was awful. We

463
00:24:33,845 --> 00:24:36,285
Speaker 3: would have friends pick him up on a Sunday, take

464
00:24:36,365 --> 00:24:39,125
Speaker 3: him out and do something special and take him home.

465
00:24:39,165 --> 00:24:42,045
Speaker 3: And he was always very distressed by.

466
00:24:41,885 --> 00:24:44,805
Speaker 1: That, having to leave or having to be there.

467
00:24:45,005 --> 00:24:48,765
Speaker 3: Having to leave, Yes, and it's tough, but we knew

468
00:24:48,925 --> 00:24:52,165
Speaker 3: ultimately it would be better for him to be at

469
00:24:52,205 --> 00:24:55,605
Speaker 3: home in his own bed for some of that time.

470
00:24:55,725 --> 00:24:57,925
Speaker 2: And he was always very protective of mom and Dad

471
00:24:57,965 --> 00:25:00,765
Speaker 2: and myself, Like when I first lost my legs, he

472
00:25:01,245 --> 00:25:03,405
Speaker 2: told mom and Dad that Sophie's legs will grow back

473
00:25:03,485 --> 00:25:06,165
Speaker 2: like a lizard's tale, like trying to make a situation

474
00:25:06,365 --> 00:25:07,445
Speaker 2: very like a lot better.

475
00:25:07,765 --> 00:25:11,325
Speaker 3: He's always been incredibly protective of so innately he just

476
00:25:11,405 --> 00:25:14,965
Speaker 3: can read it, you know, have this enduring image and

477
00:25:14,965 --> 00:25:18,365
Speaker 3: I've spoken of it before of walking into the Australia

478
00:25:18,405 --> 00:25:21,285
Speaker 3: Museum and he's sussed out of the room, looked at

479
00:25:21,285 --> 00:25:23,485
Speaker 3: where the parents and the children are, and he's seen

480
00:25:23,565 --> 00:25:26,085
Speaker 3: someone and he's seen the children look and so he's

481
00:25:26,125 --> 00:25:30,085
Speaker 3: grab his prap and turned her around and taken her

482
00:25:30,085 --> 00:25:35,885
Speaker 3: to an exhibit over there. So that he's always averted.

483
00:25:36,605 --> 00:25:40,245
Speaker 3: And he was four, no, sorry, he would have been five,

484
00:25:40,405 --> 00:25:43,205
Speaker 3: It would have been quite early. One of the things

485
00:25:43,205 --> 00:25:46,325
Speaker 3: that we'd tried to do for sofa is not cotton

486
00:25:46,405 --> 00:25:50,445
Speaker 3: wool wrapper and cotton wool. It's like if she was

487
00:25:50,485 --> 00:25:52,285
Speaker 3: well enough to go out, she was well enough to

488
00:25:52,325 --> 00:25:54,965
Speaker 3: go to the museum or to the aquarium, or for

489
00:25:55,005 --> 00:25:57,245
Speaker 3: a walk on the beach, whatever, And as soon as

490
00:25:57,285 --> 00:26:00,765
Speaker 3: she could have all her bandages off and her pressure

491
00:26:00,805 --> 00:26:04,365
Speaker 3: garments off, she was not one to cover up. If

492
00:26:04,365 --> 00:26:06,805
Speaker 3: it was hot, she would strip off and her legs

493
00:26:06,805 --> 00:26:10,125
Speaker 3: would be out and loud and proud she will. That

494
00:26:10,245 --> 00:26:13,205
Speaker 3: was her, that's innately her. And you need to be

495
00:26:13,245 --> 00:26:16,485
Speaker 3: pushing this little little t shirt and little shorts, you know,

496
00:26:16,605 --> 00:26:19,605
Speaker 3: quite when she was young. That's very different for children

497
00:26:19,645 --> 00:26:22,685
Speaker 3: in particular to see someone without legs, like where did

498
00:26:22,805 --> 00:26:25,685
Speaker 3: legs go? Well, let me tell you a story.

499
00:26:26,365 --> 00:26:29,085
Speaker 1: But you all guys were also famous, like super famous.

500
00:26:29,125 --> 00:26:33,165
Speaker 1: Everybody in Australia recognized your faces. So that's a whole

501
00:26:33,205 --> 00:26:38,605
Speaker 1: other level of staring and attention that how do you

502
00:26:39,005 --> 00:26:41,885
Speaker 1: live with that? Because it's a funny kind of celebrity

503
00:26:41,885 --> 00:26:43,525
Speaker 1: where everyone feels that they know you. Right.

504
00:26:43,845 --> 00:26:47,085
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's best dancewered by Sophie, But for

505
00:26:47,205 --> 00:26:50,125
Speaker 3: me it was well, I can either have people stare

506
00:26:50,205 --> 00:26:55,285
Speaker 3: at her or they can say hello and send her love,

507
00:26:56,165 --> 00:26:58,645
Speaker 3: and as a parent, I thought, well, I know which

508
00:26:58,645 --> 00:27:01,685
Speaker 3: one i'd prefer, so I think we'll just go down

509
00:27:01,685 --> 00:27:04,885
Speaker 3: this path. And yeah, so I've got a lot of

510
00:27:04,965 --> 00:27:09,485
Speaker 3: love from people. The other side to that was that

511
00:27:09,565 --> 00:27:12,565
Speaker 3: I know that Sophie. In fact, I was talking to

512
00:27:12,565 --> 00:27:14,565
Speaker 3: a friend of mine about it. Yesterday. We were at

513
00:27:14,565 --> 00:27:17,205
Speaker 3: the Australia Zoo and this woman came up to you

514
00:27:17,245 --> 00:27:19,485
Speaker 3: and she said, oh, I'm so pleased you love this

515
00:27:19,605 --> 00:27:22,805
Speaker 3: place too. This is my sanctuary. I'm going through cancer treatment.

516
00:27:23,525 --> 00:27:26,205
Speaker 3: And she said, and it's made doubly special for me

517
00:27:26,285 --> 00:27:29,045
Speaker 3: today because I've seen you here. And then there was

518
00:27:29,085 --> 00:27:33,565
Speaker 3: another incident where you someone had written and said I

519
00:27:33,725 --> 00:27:37,605
Speaker 3: had been thinking of suiciding and I've read your story.

520
00:27:37,925 --> 00:27:41,885
Speaker 3: I now realize what I have to live for. It's

521
00:27:41,965 --> 00:27:47,045
Speaker 3: incredibly powerful stuff. So if by Sophie having a public

522
00:27:47,085 --> 00:27:50,485
Speaker 3: image because so many people loved and cared about her,

523
00:27:51,245 --> 00:27:55,365
Speaker 3: and the story continued, because there was just this continuance,

524
00:27:55,405 --> 00:27:59,565
Speaker 3: a natural continuance. Everyone thought it would end, but it continued.

525
00:28:00,205 --> 00:28:03,485
Speaker 3: It was important for me to know that if the

526
00:28:03,565 --> 00:28:06,525
Speaker 3: story was a public one, as it was anyway, and

527
00:28:06,565 --> 00:28:09,765
Speaker 3: it helped people to change their life for better or

528
00:28:09,805 --> 00:28:13,885
Speaker 3: live a better life. Then that was some important legacy.

529
00:28:14,485 --> 00:28:18,605
Speaker 1: It's a lot, though, like you're still like at nineteen

530
00:28:19,045 --> 00:28:22,165
Speaker 1: you kind of I don't know, you want to maybe

531
00:28:22,285 --> 00:28:26,205
Speaker 1: drink and dates and people and make some mistakes and

532
00:28:26,365 --> 00:28:29,925
Speaker 1: maybe not drink. But like that's a lot to take

533
00:28:29,965 --> 00:28:35,645
Speaker 1: on everybody's feelings about you and everybody's you've saved my

534
00:28:35,725 --> 00:28:39,325
Speaker 1: life or changed my life or I'm so grateful, Like

535
00:28:40,005 --> 00:28:41,485
Speaker 1: is that why you wanted to go to the UK?

536
00:28:42,725 --> 00:28:45,965
Speaker 2: Everyone thinks that, but honestly, for me, it was just

537
00:28:46,005 --> 00:28:49,205
Speaker 2: to see if I could manage my care by myself.

538
00:28:49,765 --> 00:28:52,285
Speaker 2: And I felt like if I stayed in Australia.

539
00:28:51,885 --> 00:28:53,325
Speaker 1: Couldn't you have just moved out of home? No?

540
00:28:54,565 --> 00:28:56,925
Speaker 2: I mean yes, but everything was set up for me,

541
00:28:57,205 --> 00:29:00,165
Speaker 2: Like my physio was a pharmacy that set up for me.

542
00:29:00,205 --> 00:29:02,565
Speaker 2: I've my doctors, everything are set up, and I wanted

543
00:29:02,605 --> 00:29:05,565
Speaker 2: to see if I could just go to another country,

544
00:29:05,725 --> 00:29:08,245
Speaker 2: start where, yeah, where I knew no one, and just

545
00:29:08,485 --> 00:29:10,725
Speaker 2: try and see if I myself could do it. And

546
00:29:10,765 --> 00:29:13,205
Speaker 2: that's why, like my mom and dad and everyone wanted

547
00:29:13,565 --> 00:29:15,485
Speaker 2: a care to go on the plane with me, and

548
00:29:15,525 --> 00:29:17,405
Speaker 2: I was like, no, they can come a week after.

549
00:29:18,045 --> 00:29:20,645
Speaker 2: Like I understand I said yes, for my mom's sake

550
00:29:20,685 --> 00:29:21,965
Speaker 2: and my dad's sake and everyone's sake.

551
00:29:22,285 --> 00:29:24,605
Speaker 1: But I was like, throw mom and dad a speaking

552
00:29:24,645 --> 00:29:26,765
Speaker 1: on behalf of mom's and dad and I throw us

553
00:29:26,765 --> 00:29:31,765
Speaker 1: a bone, and at least come and carry the bags. See.

554
00:29:32,165 --> 00:29:34,205
Speaker 2: I think they wanted it to be them, but I

555
00:29:34,245 --> 00:29:36,805
Speaker 2: was like, no, my friend can come instead.

556
00:29:39,165 --> 00:29:40,285
Speaker 1: Proxy she was.

557
00:29:40,525 --> 00:29:43,325
Speaker 2: She's a nurse, so I mean, it's okay, there we go.

558
00:29:43,485 --> 00:29:46,125
Speaker 2: She was my care so yeah, so she came like

559
00:29:46,125 --> 00:29:48,085
Speaker 2: a week later. So I just wanted to see if

560
00:29:48,125 --> 00:29:50,845
Speaker 2: that first week I could just take that big step myself.

561
00:29:50,965 --> 00:29:52,365
Speaker 1: How was that first week? Oh?

562
00:29:52,765 --> 00:29:53,805
Speaker 2: Hell, it was horrible.

563
00:29:53,925 --> 00:29:54,445
Speaker 3: Was it hard?

564
00:29:55,245 --> 00:29:56,005
Speaker 1: I imagine it was.

565
00:29:56,125 --> 00:30:00,005
Speaker 2: I binged like most of the seasons of Friends. I

566
00:30:00,005 --> 00:30:04,005
Speaker 2: thought you were gonna say I nailed it was. I

567
00:30:04,085 --> 00:30:07,205
Speaker 2: was just very shocked by it all. Like I love

568
00:30:07,325 --> 00:30:11,045
Speaker 2: traveling and I love London, but just I had no

569
00:30:11,285 --> 00:30:14,085
Speaker 2: idea and what to expect. I thought I'd get there

570
00:30:14,085 --> 00:30:16,325
Speaker 2: straight away and it would be my dream. But it

571
00:30:16,365 --> 00:30:20,005
Speaker 2: got there and I was like I'm alone and just

572
00:30:20,045 --> 00:30:20,805
Speaker 2: trying to figure out.

573
00:30:20,805 --> 00:30:24,285
Speaker 1: I thought that path through it exactly, you can't do exactly.

574
00:30:24,365 --> 00:30:27,525
Speaker 2: I had no idea what i'd feel and like saying

575
00:30:27,525 --> 00:30:29,805
Speaker 2: goodbye was one of the hardest things and still is.

576
00:30:29,965 --> 00:30:33,485
Speaker 2: I hate saying goodbye. So like, once I got there

577
00:30:33,485 --> 00:30:36,925
Speaker 2: and just realizing I have no appointments, I have no

578
00:30:36,965 --> 00:30:38,925
Speaker 2: one to see, I have nothing to do, like it's

579
00:30:38,965 --> 00:30:42,205
Speaker 2: all up to me, there was an overwhelming sense of

580
00:30:42,245 --> 00:30:46,405
Speaker 2: freedom that terrified me. Not that I never had freedom,

581
00:30:46,445 --> 00:30:48,925
Speaker 2: I have so much freedom here, but to know that

582
00:30:49,285 --> 00:30:52,405
Speaker 2: I get to choose everything for myself, Like every choice

583
00:30:52,445 --> 00:30:55,845
Speaker 2: I make is mine, no one else's, And that just

584
00:30:56,005 --> 00:30:56,925
Speaker 2: was so overwhelming.

585
00:30:57,405 --> 00:30:58,245
Speaker 1: How long ago is this?

586
00:30:58,925 --> 00:31:00,245
Speaker 2: That was my last year.

587
00:31:00,925 --> 00:31:03,205
Speaker 1: And then what happened? Did COVID happen? Well?

588
00:31:03,325 --> 00:31:07,365
Speaker 2: Yeah, then I went to university in September. I moved

589
00:31:07,405 --> 00:31:10,405
Speaker 2: into a student hall some of the best people of

590
00:31:10,445 --> 00:31:14,605
Speaker 2: my life, and I finished my UNI degree well almost,

591
00:31:14,925 --> 00:31:17,845
Speaker 2: I had two weeks left of union or something. I

592
00:31:17,885 --> 00:31:22,485
Speaker 2: was doing social anthropology and development and then yeah, just stop.

593
00:31:22,645 --> 00:31:23,725
Speaker 2: But the weirdest thing was.

594
00:31:23,765 --> 00:31:26,205
Speaker 1: You finished your degree or COVID heat and you decided

595
00:31:26,205 --> 00:31:26,965
Speaker 1: you had to come home.

596
00:31:27,165 --> 00:31:27,405
Speaker 3: Yeah.

597
00:31:27,485 --> 00:31:30,485
Speaker 2: So the weirdest thing was we had four weeks worth

598
00:31:30,485 --> 00:31:33,645
Speaker 2: of strikes at my UNI for something or ever.

599
00:31:33,965 --> 00:31:35,005
Speaker 1: It was like this year.

600
00:31:35,205 --> 00:31:38,005
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was in February and that was like

601
00:31:38,285 --> 00:31:40,485
Speaker 2: seventy universities in London were doing so it was a

602
00:31:40,485 --> 00:31:44,005
Speaker 2: massive thing. So I had UNI off like odd days.

603
00:31:44,005 --> 00:31:46,725
Speaker 2: So it was two weeks worth of strikes, but over

604
00:31:46,805 --> 00:31:50,205
Speaker 2: four weeks that all happened. And then we had a

605
00:31:50,205 --> 00:31:52,645
Speaker 2: week back at UNI and two of my classes were

606
00:31:52,685 --> 00:31:55,565
Speaker 2: canceled anyway because the lectures weren't there. And then UNI

607
00:31:55,645 --> 00:32:00,765
Speaker 2: was shut down. So I have hardly attended university.

608
00:32:01,125 --> 00:32:03,245
Speaker 1: I had a whole year, you had a whole another

609
00:32:03,365 --> 00:32:03,965
Speaker 1: year to go.

610
00:32:04,365 --> 00:32:06,165
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was on my first year of my degree.

611
00:32:06,285 --> 00:32:10,725
Speaker 2: So then I was coming back anyway for medical legal reasons.

612
00:32:10,765 --> 00:32:14,165
Speaker 2: And then I decided, well, I couldn't go back really,

613
00:32:14,205 --> 00:32:17,285
Speaker 2: And then I decided that for now, at least, I'm

614
00:32:17,325 --> 00:32:20,325
Speaker 2: just gonna defer UNI for a year, stay here and

615
00:32:20,485 --> 00:32:23,685
Speaker 2: just appreciate what I have here instead of going back

616
00:32:23,725 --> 00:32:27,285
Speaker 2: to so much uncertainty where if something happened here and

617
00:32:27,325 --> 00:32:30,125
Speaker 2: I couldn't get back in time, or it just was

618
00:32:30,325 --> 00:32:32,325
Speaker 2: too much. So I decided to be here with my

619
00:32:32,365 --> 00:32:33,445
Speaker 2: loved ones and.

620
00:32:33,405 --> 00:32:36,445
Speaker 1: A compromised do you have to be extra careful.

621
00:32:36,445 --> 00:32:43,405
Speaker 2: I probably should be, well, like I don't let anything stop,

622
00:32:44,085 --> 00:32:47,605
Speaker 2: like if I want to go out to like shops.

623
00:32:47,605 --> 00:32:51,885
Speaker 2: I want to do that, like global pandemics locked down. No,

624
00:32:52,365 --> 00:32:55,285
Speaker 2: when I first got here, I legally had to because

625
00:32:55,325 --> 00:32:58,085
Speaker 2: I was quarantine. Thankfully, I just missed the hotel. I

626
00:32:58,165 --> 00:33:01,245
Speaker 2: was the week before the hotel quarantine got in. Yeah,

627
00:33:01,285 --> 00:33:04,005
Speaker 2: so I stayed inside for those two weeks in my room.

628
00:33:04,645 --> 00:33:07,085
Speaker 2: And then I want to see my friends. I hadn't

629
00:33:07,125 --> 00:33:09,925
Speaker 2: seen them in almost a year or something, so I

630
00:33:10,165 --> 00:33:12,805
Speaker 2: just slowly went out, Like coffees and shops and all

631
00:33:12,845 --> 00:33:15,845
Speaker 2: that were still closed. So now I'm just go out

632
00:33:16,005 --> 00:33:19,045
Speaker 2: to like an empty cinema or like things. Well, like

633
00:33:19,045 --> 00:33:21,325
Speaker 2: I'm not in huge crowds anyway.

634
00:33:21,205 --> 00:33:22,245
Speaker 1: Like everyone. I guess.

635
00:33:22,325 --> 00:33:24,485
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly when you were in the.

636
00:33:24,525 --> 00:33:27,925
Speaker 1: UK, what was the biggest difference that you noticed.

637
00:33:28,645 --> 00:33:31,285
Speaker 2: See. The weirdest thing is I still got recognized over there,

638
00:33:31,365 --> 00:33:34,925
Speaker 2: did you? I got recognized. The weirdest one was in

639
00:33:35,245 --> 00:33:39,685
Speaker 2: a gym changing room by an American woman and I

640
00:33:39,725 --> 00:33:42,925
Speaker 2: was so confused. And her Auntie or Nan was Australian

641
00:33:43,565 --> 00:33:47,405
Speaker 2: and raised her like when she was young, told her

642
00:33:47,445 --> 00:33:50,005
Speaker 2: about me or something, but this woman was mid late

643
00:33:50,045 --> 00:33:53,485
Speaker 2: twenties or something. I was very surprised, and it was

644
00:33:53,525 --> 00:33:55,365
Speaker 2: the weirdest thing that was only a few months into

645
00:33:55,365 --> 00:33:59,165
Speaker 2: me being there, and I've had people from Australia who've

646
00:33:59,205 --> 00:34:01,125
Speaker 2: moved to the UK or were visiting the UK be like, oh,

647
00:34:01,165 --> 00:34:03,845
Speaker 2: that's sleepe easier then come up to me, which was

648
00:34:03,925 --> 00:34:04,805
Speaker 2: very lovely of them.

649
00:34:05,045 --> 00:34:05,645
Speaker 1: Is it lovely?

650
00:34:05,965 --> 00:34:06,205
Speaker 2: Yeah?

651
00:34:06,285 --> 00:34:08,045
Speaker 1: Or can it be a bit intrusive when you're just

652
00:34:08,045 --> 00:34:09,405
Speaker 1: trying to get on with your life?

653
00:34:09,765 --> 00:34:13,165
Speaker 2: I don't know any different. Yeah, I guess so. Which

654
00:34:13,205 --> 00:34:14,405
Speaker 2: is the weirdest thing because.

655
00:34:14,165 --> 00:34:17,525
Speaker 1: I watch everyone project, you know, preparing to meet you. Today,

656
00:34:17,525 --> 00:34:20,045
Speaker 1: I watched a bunch of interviews and I watch all

657
00:34:20,085 --> 00:34:23,085
Speaker 1: of these older people, you know, around my age and

658
00:34:23,125 --> 00:34:26,925
Speaker 1: older projecting onto you. Oh I remember when this happened,

659
00:34:27,005 --> 00:34:29,205
Speaker 1: and it's like everyone has to work through their own

660
00:34:29,205 --> 00:34:31,485
Speaker 1: emotions about it. And like I was watching sixty Minutes

661
00:34:31,525 --> 00:34:33,005
Speaker 1: this morning and I had my little cry, but that's

662
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Speaker 1: nothing to do with you and nothing to do with

663
00:34:34,605 --> 00:34:38,325
Speaker 1: your life now, and you were just a bit like yeah.

664
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Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much because I had enough.

665
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Speaker 3: To happen to you.

666
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Speaker 2: Well, like exactly what my mum said before. It's the

667
00:34:48,725 --> 00:34:52,325
Speaker 2: fact that my story has helped people and has I

668
00:34:52,365 --> 00:34:53,845
Speaker 2: know this is weird, but I don't like the word

669
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Speaker 2: inspired because I guess.

670
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Speaker 1: Yeah, some people with disabilities hate that way.

671
00:34:58,845 --> 00:35:01,765
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like I'm okay for it low to like it. Yeah,

672
00:35:01,885 --> 00:35:03,445
Speaker 2: Like I'm okay if people use it on me, but

673
00:35:03,525 --> 00:35:06,125
Speaker 2: I don't like using the word. But if I've helped

674
00:35:06,125 --> 00:35:08,685
Speaker 2: people change their lives in some way, that's all I

675
00:35:08,725 --> 00:35:09,165
Speaker 2: care about.

676
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Speaker 1: I don't be very invested in you.

677
00:35:11,125 --> 00:35:13,165
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And if they can find any bit of

678
00:35:13,205 --> 00:35:15,925
Speaker 2: hope or courage from it, yeah, I'm happy to give it.

679
00:35:16,045 --> 00:35:19,045
Speaker 2: I am not going to shy away from my story

680
00:35:19,125 --> 00:35:22,885
Speaker 2: or the spotlight because I want to like hide from it,

681
00:35:22,925 --> 00:35:25,245
Speaker 2: because it's my life. I can't do anything about it.

682
00:35:25,725 --> 00:35:27,725
Speaker 2: I'm just going to create as much change as i

683
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Speaker 2: can while i'm here.

684
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Speaker 1: When you were a teenager, did you rebel against your

685
00:35:32,205 --> 00:35:34,925
Speaker 1: parents because you seem to love them and they love you?

686
00:35:34,965 --> 00:35:37,365
Speaker 2: Obviously, I was a hard teenager to do it what

687
00:35:37,485 --> 00:35:41,885
Speaker 2: we like as a teenager, bossy, controlling a chatter box,

688
00:35:42,845 --> 00:35:44,405
Speaker 2: my way or the high.

689
00:35:44,805 --> 00:35:47,005
Speaker 1: Them away though? Will you like a bit?

690
00:35:47,445 --> 00:35:49,405
Speaker 2: Well, I did suffer from a lot of mental health

691
00:35:49,525 --> 00:35:52,005
Speaker 2: illnesses when I was in my early teenage years, so

692
00:35:52,045 --> 00:35:54,925
Speaker 2: I naturally did because of that, which is both to

693
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Speaker 2: do with my disability and just life.

694
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Speaker 1: And you know, and being a teenage girl exactly.

695
00:35:59,845 --> 00:36:02,485
Speaker 2: Everyone suffers from something or another at some point in

696
00:36:02,525 --> 00:36:05,405
Speaker 2: their life. I think that period I definitely did. But

697
00:36:06,125 --> 00:36:09,485
Speaker 2: like every teenager goes to a phase of no, like

698
00:36:09,525 --> 00:36:12,565
Speaker 2: say no to their parents and wanting just their own space,

699
00:36:13,205 --> 00:36:15,645
Speaker 2: So I think mine was just pretty natural for at

700
00:36:15,725 --> 00:36:18,725
Speaker 2: least from my perspective. It was like I hear sories

701
00:36:18,845 --> 00:36:22,205
Speaker 2: mum's friends who has a kid who's fourteen, She's complaining

702
00:36:22,205 --> 00:36:23,925
Speaker 2: about her daughter doing this, and I was like, I

703
00:36:24,005 --> 00:36:27,445
Speaker 2: did that, Like, yeah, Mitchell did that. We all did that, Like, yeah,

704
00:36:27,445 --> 00:36:28,405
Speaker 2: it's true, it didn't.

705
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Speaker 1: I suppose it's just the difference in how protective you

706
00:36:31,805 --> 00:36:34,805
Speaker 1: are and how because injuries and disability can be in

707
00:36:34,845 --> 00:36:37,765
Speaker 1: fantializing in a way, can't it, in the sense that

708
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Speaker 1: you need care and you need your reliance, Yeah, your

709
00:36:41,765 --> 00:36:42,845
Speaker 1: reliance on other sides.

710
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Speaker 3: And I think it's we were so proud of Sophia

711
00:36:45,565 --> 00:36:47,685
Speaker 3: when she went to the UK, because it's like, I

712
00:36:47,885 --> 00:36:50,325
Speaker 3: done my job, She's got there on our road.

713
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Speaker 1: Do you cry so much?

714
00:36:52,965 --> 00:36:56,085
Speaker 3: It's funny, you know, at different times, I would certainly

715
00:36:56,165 --> 00:36:58,805
Speaker 3: not at the airport, not to show SOFI know, dad

716
00:37:02,325 --> 00:37:06,725
Speaker 3: anywhere currently got the Sopha's getting the PIC talk right

717
00:37:06,725 --> 00:37:07,645
Speaker 3: after the get.

718
00:37:08,005 --> 00:37:11,725
Speaker 2: I'm crying like the entire twenty six hour flight.

719
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Speaker 1: There, because that's natural pushing away, which a mother has

720
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Speaker 1: to really respect in the sense that it's a very

721
00:37:23,285 --> 00:37:27,045
Speaker 1: normal part. But you also still have this caretaking role.

722
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Speaker 3: And yeah, you know it's the juggle of Sophie as

723
00:37:30,285 --> 00:37:33,725
Speaker 3: her care has changed as she's aged in terms of

724
00:37:33,765 --> 00:37:37,445
Speaker 3: giving her some more opportunity to negotiate her own pathway forward.

725
00:37:38,085 --> 00:37:40,925
Speaker 3: And you know, we know that she needs to keep mobile,

726
00:37:41,285 --> 00:37:43,205
Speaker 3: and you know, when swimming wasn't working out, we had

727
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Speaker 3: to look at other options. That's where rowan.

728
00:37:44,885 --> 00:37:47,285
Speaker 1: Cans otherwise gets tired.

729
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Speaker 3: It gets tired definitely, And so so it's really good

730
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Speaker 3: about managing her physical strength now through various means. I

731
00:37:55,125 --> 00:37:57,285
Speaker 3: think she's overall done a really good job. There were

732
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Speaker 3: times we really feel sorry for Jenny her physio on

733
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Speaker 3: Saturday mornings.

734
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Speaker 2: I was physio because it was stretching that I liked. Right,

735
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think.

736
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Speaker 1: Morning.

737
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Speaker 2: I was not a morning person as a teenager. It

738
00:38:16,125 --> 00:38:18,565
Speaker 2: was more the fact that I didn't see the need

739
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Speaker 2: for it. It might have had, it might not have,

740
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Speaker 2: but I was like, why, Yeah, and I think as

741
00:38:22,965 --> 00:38:26,565
Speaker 2: you get older, every teenager comes to an appreciation of

742
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Speaker 2: their parents and the role they play.

743
00:38:28,645 --> 00:38:34,005
Speaker 1: Like at that age, does that happen. Yeah, my daughter's fourteen, my.

744
00:38:33,965 --> 00:38:36,565
Speaker 2: Brother's twenty one, and I still don't think he realized it.

745
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Speaker 2: I definitely it took me time. You know, during those

746
00:38:41,045 --> 00:38:45,525
Speaker 2: middle teenagers fourteen to sixteen, I didn't realize that, like

747
00:38:45,725 --> 00:38:48,165
Speaker 2: how much everyone has done for me, whether it's my physio,

748
00:38:48,765 --> 00:38:52,205
Speaker 2: my mum or whoever. Especially once I moved to England,

749
00:38:52,485 --> 00:38:56,085
Speaker 2: like that appreciation just doubled in size because I realized

750
00:38:56,565 --> 00:38:59,165
Speaker 2: how much everyone, like my parents have built stuff for me.

751
00:38:59,325 --> 00:39:03,005
Speaker 2: Whether you're disabled or not, you value how much of

752
00:39:03,045 --> 00:39:06,085
Speaker 2: your life is to do with your parents, and they

753
00:39:06,125 --> 00:39:08,645
Speaker 2: shape you, whether it's good or bad. They're gonna shape

754
00:39:08,645 --> 00:39:12,245
Speaker 2: you no matter what. And so that appreciation definitely came

755
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Speaker 2: to me, even more so when you moved to the.

756
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Speaker 1: Uka, Carol in the first time. The first accident, you

757
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Speaker 1: could speak quite fatalistic, I imagine, and say this was terrible

758
00:39:32,525 --> 00:39:36,005
Speaker 1: luck it was a driver had a seizure. The second

759
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Speaker 1: time two years later, How the hell do you reconcile that.

760
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Speaker 3: I don't think you can, other than you think there's

761
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Speaker 3: a divine purpose. What is it?

762
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Speaker 1: Ye? Come on, Mary, but are you really trying to

763
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Speaker 1: test my faith here?

764
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Speaker 3: And then it's like that's never going to be answered

765
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Speaker 3: park it and for us was more of a continuance

766
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Speaker 3: because our biggest gap from a hospital visit was only

767
00:40:01,645 --> 00:40:04,725
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks at that point anyway, So it's

768
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Speaker 3: just like we just clicked into an automation on an

769
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Speaker 3: eye of we've done this before, we know what to do,

770
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Speaker 3: pulling these teams do it this way, the same thing.

771
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Speaker 3: Friends came around, they were sorting the mail, they were

772
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Speaker 3: doing this, you know, and everyone just clicked into.

773
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Speaker 1: The same jobs before.

774
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Speaker 3: It was kind of weird. It was surreal. Certainly, one

775
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Speaker 3: of the.

776
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Speaker 2: Most beautiful things about the second accident was that we

777
00:40:30,565 --> 00:40:33,885
Speaker 2: had even more people around, like people who were my

778
00:40:34,485 --> 00:40:39,085
Speaker 2: rehabilitation swim teachers, who worked on my second preschool. They

779
00:40:39,125 --> 00:40:41,165
Speaker 2: lived around the corner for where Mitchell went to school

780
00:40:41,365 --> 00:40:43,525
Speaker 2: when he went to primary school, so they'd pick him

781
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Speaker 2: up after school. So people that we never knew before

782
00:40:46,245 --> 00:40:49,125
Speaker 2: the accident in the first accident were then around for

783
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Speaker 2: the second accident to help with that. We had all

784
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Speaker 2: the people before, plus all these other wonderful people in

785
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Speaker 2: our lives who had the knowledge of disabilities and all

786
00:40:58,685 --> 00:41:00,165
Speaker 2: of that turst of stuff with that as.

787
00:41:00,085 --> 00:41:03,205
Speaker 1: Well, with the injuries very different and the type of

788
00:41:03,245 --> 00:41:04,965
Speaker 1: thing that you were dealing with very different.

789
00:41:05,405 --> 00:41:08,325
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was actually because she was not hit by

790
00:41:08,365 --> 00:41:11,365
Speaker 3: the car in the first accident, so there was no

791
00:41:11,485 --> 00:41:14,525
Speaker 3: blunt force trauma. And with a second it's a very

792
00:41:14,565 --> 00:41:18,445
Speaker 3: different things where there's broken bones and a head injury.

793
00:41:18,565 --> 00:41:21,565
Speaker 2: And most of my first accident injuries were external. We're

794
00:41:21,565 --> 00:41:25,765
Speaker 2: a second accident it was all internal, so it's complete opposite.

795
00:41:25,925 --> 00:41:28,925
Speaker 1: Why did you tell Sophie about it, Well.

796
00:41:28,685 --> 00:41:31,525
Speaker 3: That you got hitched on a crossing with Tar, but

797
00:41:31,645 --> 00:41:33,165
Speaker 3: Tar was okay.

798
00:41:33,845 --> 00:41:36,085
Speaker 2: My assistants dock at the assistant dog.

799
00:41:36,165 --> 00:41:38,885
Speaker 1: I've was seen your beautiful assistance dog.

800
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Speaker 3: She was a door a special dog.

801
00:41:40,965 --> 00:41:43,725
Speaker 1: Did you have more assistance dogs after her because she

802
00:41:43,765 --> 00:41:47,205
Speaker 1: died early? Didn't she? Yeah? Fair, I mean, honestly, it.

803
00:41:47,085 --> 00:41:49,325
Speaker 2: Was tragic and she was like the top of the

804
00:41:49,365 --> 00:41:51,925
Speaker 2: class assistant dog. You could not get a better one.

805
00:41:52,285 --> 00:41:54,005
Speaker 2: And then we decided to take up break for a

806
00:41:54,045 --> 00:41:56,885
Speaker 2: little while because we were so upset about that and

807
00:41:56,965 --> 00:41:58,605
Speaker 2: we didn't want to feel like you could just replace

808
00:41:58,765 --> 00:42:02,125
Speaker 2: an animal like that. We now have our second assistant's

809
00:42:02,205 --> 00:42:05,565
Speaker 2: dog who's not at all the top of the classes.

810
00:42:07,125 --> 00:42:11,725
Speaker 2: And I put it nicely, she barely graduated us is

811
00:42:11,885 --> 00:42:16,405
Speaker 2: her more hundred percent? Like the best thing about Willow

812
00:42:16,605 --> 00:42:19,565
Speaker 2: that's her name, is she thinks she's trying to help.

813
00:42:20,245 --> 00:42:23,885
Speaker 2: So like she sees her shoe put in the corner

814
00:42:24,005 --> 00:42:26,365
Speaker 2: room and she'll carry around the house for the entire

815
00:42:26,445 --> 00:42:28,805
Speaker 2: day and then you go to take it off her

816
00:42:28,845 --> 00:42:30,925
Speaker 2: and she'll be like nope and turn ahead and walk

817
00:42:30,965 --> 00:42:32,965
Speaker 2: away from you the last minute.

818
00:42:33,165 --> 00:42:34,925
Speaker 1: You're her assistants human really.

819
00:42:35,845 --> 00:42:40,765
Speaker 2: Like she accidentally eats my dressings, my bandages and things

820
00:42:40,765 --> 00:42:41,605
Speaker 2: like that, like.

821
00:42:44,365 --> 00:42:48,605
Speaker 1: From tidy up the bin. I'm disposed of the evidence.

822
00:42:50,005 --> 00:42:50,965
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna eat it.

823
00:42:51,125 --> 00:42:55,645
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she is the best house pet. She is

824
00:42:55,685 --> 00:42:58,525
Speaker 2: the worst assistant girl said say that. There's no doubt

825
00:42:58,565 --> 00:43:04,485
Speaker 2: about that. But she needs Yeah literally, she's the emotional support. Yeah,

826
00:43:05,885 --> 00:43:08,165
Speaker 2: she'll be at my door crying, and you know, I'll

827
00:43:08,205 --> 00:43:10,405
Speaker 2: just open the door and sit on my bed and

828
00:43:10,485 --> 00:43:13,005
Speaker 2: just lie there for like two minutes and then walk away. Again.

829
00:43:14,325 --> 00:43:15,165
Speaker 3: It's so much better.

830
00:43:17,165 --> 00:43:19,885
Speaker 1: I would like a snack, literally.

831
00:43:19,925 --> 00:43:23,165
Speaker 2: Wonderes she not well food? But yeah, so she's I

832
00:43:23,245 --> 00:43:26,965
Speaker 2: call her an emotional support dog, yeah, rather than a

833
00:43:27,045 --> 00:43:30,445
Speaker 2: self retired assistant's dog. And from the day we got

834
00:43:31,805 --> 00:43:33,245
Speaker 2: she never really passed.

835
00:43:34,205 --> 00:43:36,045
Speaker 3: I let her graduate, though we get.

836
00:43:37,685 --> 00:43:40,205
Speaker 2: She got a little like graduation certificate and everything.

837
00:43:40,325 --> 00:43:43,885
Speaker 1: That's cute. How do you have any faith in cars

838
00:43:43,965 --> 00:43:46,805
Speaker 1: and in the world and in walking down the street?

839
00:43:47,405 --> 00:43:51,285
Speaker 1: You know, like having that shaken for you? I imagine

840
00:43:51,365 --> 00:43:54,525
Speaker 1: that's for you because you don't have actual memories of it.

841
00:43:54,805 --> 00:43:56,565
Speaker 3: Look, you can't live your life in fear.

842
00:43:56,565 --> 00:43:59,485
Speaker 1: I mean you can, well many people do.

843
00:44:01,565 --> 00:44:05,445
Speaker 3: No, No, that's right, But I'm suggesting cost bad stuff

844
00:44:05,485 --> 00:44:09,085
Speaker 3: happens to good people. You can either just pick up

845
00:44:09,485 --> 00:44:14,165
Speaker 3: and keep on, or you can let something bad consume

846
00:44:14,245 --> 00:44:18,765
Speaker 3: you and living a life of fear or regret. It's

847
00:44:18,805 --> 00:44:21,725
Speaker 3: not a happy life. It's not a life that necessarily

848
00:44:21,765 --> 00:44:23,765
Speaker 3: is going to fulfill you as a human. And I

849
00:44:23,805 --> 00:44:27,445
Speaker 3: think you pick yourself up and you keep going, and

850
00:44:27,605 --> 00:44:31,125
Speaker 3: you know that's incredibly tough some days. And so will

851
00:44:31,165 --> 00:44:33,205
Speaker 3: be the first to admit that not every day is

852
00:44:33,205 --> 00:44:34,125
Speaker 3: a fabulous day.

853
00:44:35,125 --> 00:44:36,285
Speaker 1: What does a bad day look like?

854
00:44:36,325 --> 00:44:39,165
Speaker 2: So? I think for me at this point in my life,

855
00:44:39,285 --> 00:44:41,605
Speaker 2: it's when because I always have pressure wings on my

856
00:44:41,725 --> 00:44:45,845
Speaker 2: legs because of my prosthetics. So it's when they're beyond

857
00:44:46,245 --> 00:44:49,205
Speaker 2: painful that I can't put on my prosthetic. And for me,

858
00:44:49,325 --> 00:44:52,445
Speaker 2: my prosthetics are my main type of freedom. I'm happy

859
00:44:52,445 --> 00:44:55,165
Speaker 2: to use my wheelchair outside the house, but I need

860
00:44:55,165 --> 00:44:57,645
Speaker 2: my prosthetics to drive my car. I need my prosthetics

861
00:44:57,645 --> 00:45:00,045
Speaker 2: to you know, if I'm out of place with stairs,

862
00:45:00,085 --> 00:45:02,965
Speaker 2: to walk up the stairs. So I think the hardest

863
00:45:03,005 --> 00:45:05,845
Speaker 2: days are the ones where I just have to do nothing.

864
00:45:06,045 --> 00:45:08,285
Speaker 2: And I'm the type of person I like having plans.

865
00:45:08,405 --> 00:45:10,885
Speaker 2: I like being busy and always having things to do,

866
00:45:10,925 --> 00:45:13,285
Speaker 2: because when I don't, then I'm not brought out of

867
00:45:13,285 --> 00:45:16,285
Speaker 2: my mind. But then those days come about and I

868
00:45:16,325 --> 00:45:18,685
Speaker 2: hate nonetheless. No matter how much things I have to

869
00:45:18,685 --> 00:45:19,845
Speaker 2: do on my computer or whatever.

870
00:45:20,045 --> 00:45:21,485
Speaker 1: Do they happen off of those days?

871
00:45:22,165 --> 00:45:24,245
Speaker 2: Yeah, I go through periods at least once a month

872
00:45:24,445 --> 00:45:28,485
Speaker 2: with them. I'm prone to infections, then a million other things,

873
00:45:28,525 --> 00:45:31,685
Speaker 2: and like sometimes my wounds just get deeper than they

874
00:45:31,685 --> 00:45:36,565
Speaker 2: should or I get more irritations. Then I would.

875
00:45:36,325 --> 00:45:38,645
Speaker 1: Normal use your prosthetics more than you're meant to.

876
00:45:39,965 --> 00:45:42,525
Speaker 2: When I was in high school, my guy who makes

877
00:45:42,525 --> 00:45:45,165
Speaker 2: my legs, my processis made sure that. I Well, he

878
00:45:45,285 --> 00:45:47,325
Speaker 2: told me I should only wear my legs three hours

879
00:45:47,365 --> 00:45:49,805
Speaker 2: a day. I did not go up to plan.

880
00:45:51,285 --> 00:45:52,725
Speaker 1: How often do you how much to do it?

881
00:45:52,845 --> 00:45:55,285
Speaker 2: You were twelve to fourteen hours a day.

882
00:45:55,405 --> 00:45:57,765
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, and then you suffer the consequences, which is.

883
00:45:57,885 --> 00:46:00,485
Speaker 2: Yeah, But for me, I don't care. Like I've had

884
00:46:00,605 --> 00:46:03,725
Speaker 2: points in my life where my doctor's like, Sophie, you

885
00:46:03,725 --> 00:46:06,125
Speaker 2: need to stop wearing your legs otherwise next week you'll

886
00:46:06,165 --> 00:46:08,725
Speaker 2: be in here for emergency surgery to get like the

887
00:46:08,765 --> 00:46:11,685
Speaker 2: wounds cover it up. I did not stop wearing my legs,

888
00:46:11,765 --> 00:46:14,645
Speaker 2: and it naturally healed itself. I'm very proud of that moment.

889
00:46:15,565 --> 00:46:20,565
Speaker 1: Yeah, Caroline told me about body image in your teenage years.

890
00:46:20,725 --> 00:46:22,085
Speaker 1: I mean, it's tricky for any girl.

891
00:46:22,325 --> 00:46:25,405
Speaker 2: I definitely struggled with weight management and all that, and

892
00:46:25,445 --> 00:46:27,925
Speaker 2: that I like perception of like seeing these girls and

893
00:46:28,285 --> 00:46:30,725
Speaker 2: you know, just freely walking onto the beach and going

894
00:46:30,725 --> 00:46:33,245
Speaker 2: for a swim, where I had to take my prosthetics

895
00:46:33,285 --> 00:46:35,045
Speaker 2: off and take my dressings off and then put them

896
00:46:35,085 --> 00:46:37,445
Speaker 2: back on and do all of that. And I think

897
00:46:37,485 --> 00:46:39,725
Speaker 2: for me it was especially hard because when I had

898
00:46:39,725 --> 00:46:42,245
Speaker 2: my second accident, I had to eat a lot of

899
00:46:42,485 --> 00:46:44,565
Speaker 2: high fat foods to gain weight because I was so

900
00:46:44,685 --> 00:46:48,205
Speaker 2: malnourished and my body needed more food and energy and

901
00:46:48,245 --> 00:46:51,525
Speaker 2: all that. But I think everyone's going to suffer with

902
00:46:51,565 --> 00:46:53,685
Speaker 2: it at some point. Like that's the horrible part of

903
00:46:53,725 --> 00:46:56,245
Speaker 2: society is that there is such a stigma about the

904
00:46:56,245 --> 00:46:59,845
Speaker 2: perfect body image. But it's just trying to find a

905
00:46:59,965 --> 00:47:03,485
Speaker 2: piece with yourself. Whether that's not a certain size or weight,

906
00:47:03,565 --> 00:47:06,085
Speaker 2: but knowing you're doing what's best for your health, whether

907
00:47:06,125 --> 00:47:08,445
Speaker 2: it's exercising once a week or at least eating a

908
00:47:08,645 --> 00:47:10,525
Speaker 2: somewhat of a balance, it's died. I don't think it

909
00:47:10,565 --> 00:47:14,445
Speaker 2: matters how you look, but how you manage your life

910
00:47:14,725 --> 00:47:17,965
Speaker 2: around healthiness and all of that. But as a teenager,

911
00:47:18,325 --> 00:47:21,685
Speaker 2: I definitely like covered up a lot more. I'm very modest.

912
00:47:21,725 --> 00:47:23,925
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna wear like a crop top where you

913
00:47:23,925 --> 00:47:26,325
Speaker 2: can see my like half my stomach and all of that,

914
00:47:26,405 --> 00:47:28,845
Speaker 2: and like short shorts when my butts hanging out and whatnot.

915
00:47:29,365 --> 00:47:31,885
Speaker 2: I just was naturally because when I went to high school,

916
00:47:31,885 --> 00:47:34,125
Speaker 2: I didn't wear my prosthetics for my first few years,

917
00:47:34,725 --> 00:47:38,125
Speaker 2: So I just naturally covered up anyway, because I when

918
00:47:38,165 --> 00:47:39,845
Speaker 2: I was going through that dark phase in my life,

919
00:47:39,885 --> 00:47:43,325
Speaker 2: didn't want people to see certain things about me, and

920
00:47:43,645 --> 00:47:45,845
Speaker 2: I think just as I've grown older, as I've gone

921
00:47:45,925 --> 00:47:49,445
Speaker 2: into sports and gained muscle and all of that and

922
00:47:49,605 --> 00:47:53,285
Speaker 2: built that confidence in the athletic area, i think it's

923
00:47:53,325 --> 00:47:55,965
Speaker 2: just gone away from me and I've just now like

924
00:47:56,005 --> 00:47:58,285
Speaker 2: I still everyone still stuffers with it, no matter how

925
00:47:58,325 --> 00:48:00,605
Speaker 2: old you are. I still suffer it that individually myself,

926
00:48:01,165 --> 00:48:03,565
Speaker 2: But it's just coming to acceptance that I am doing

927
00:48:03,565 --> 00:48:06,485
Speaker 2: what's best for my body. I can't overwork myself. I

928
00:48:06,525 --> 00:48:09,605
Speaker 2: can only do so much, whether that's you know, someone

929
00:48:09,645 --> 00:48:11,965
Speaker 2: would work or like you know, you can't go to

930
00:48:12,045 --> 00:48:14,765
Speaker 2: the gym ten times a day because you've got you know,

931
00:48:14,925 --> 00:48:17,645
Speaker 2: full job and a full time job and whatnot. So

932
00:48:17,725 --> 00:48:19,725
Speaker 2: I'm just, you know, doing what I can to help

933
00:48:19,765 --> 00:48:22,005
Speaker 2: with my health and fitness. And I think that's all

934
00:48:22,045 --> 00:48:23,325
Speaker 2: you can really do in your life.

935
00:48:23,725 --> 00:48:27,645
Speaker 1: Sport seems to have really flipped the switch from what

936
00:48:27,725 --> 00:48:30,725
Speaker 1: your body is limited in doing as to what your

937
00:48:30,725 --> 00:48:34,525
Speaker 1: body can do because you're an incredibly successful roa.

938
00:48:35,165 --> 00:48:35,605
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think.

939
00:48:35,965 --> 00:48:37,765
Speaker 1: What was it like being out on the water.

940
00:48:38,165 --> 00:48:41,405
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it all started for me with swimming. I

941
00:48:41,485 --> 00:48:43,925
Speaker 2: my rehab when I first came out of hospital was

942
00:48:43,925 --> 00:48:48,285
Speaker 2: swimming like to build all my muscle was straight. They

943
00:48:48,325 --> 00:48:49,845
Speaker 2: put me in the pool straight away, like I was

944
00:48:49,885 --> 00:48:52,565
Speaker 2: always a water baby. I loved swimming all of that

945
00:48:52,645 --> 00:48:55,725
Speaker 2: before my accident, and so they just put me back in.

946
00:48:55,805 --> 00:48:59,765
Speaker 2: So sport has always been my rehab no matter what.

947
00:49:00,245 --> 00:49:02,805
Speaker 2: So when I was competitively swimming so much and then

948
00:49:02,845 --> 00:49:06,645
Speaker 2: I got a rotator cuff injury reoccurring, then they were like, Okay,

949
00:49:06,725 --> 00:49:08,965
Speaker 2: you've been swimming too much, let's try a different sport.

950
00:49:09,365 --> 00:49:13,685
Speaker 1: Then I went into pattern here, yeah, pushing to the limit.

951
00:49:13,845 --> 00:49:16,525
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you moved high schools a few times, Yes.

952
00:49:16,405 --> 00:49:19,925
Speaker 2: I did. My first time was more for personal reasons

953
00:49:20,005 --> 00:49:22,405
Speaker 2: and the fact that I never felt like I fully belonged.

954
00:49:22,445 --> 00:49:24,725
Speaker 2: It was a wonderful school, and every school I've been

955
00:49:24,765 --> 00:49:27,925
Speaker 2: to has taught me something completely different and has given

956
00:49:27,965 --> 00:49:30,445
Speaker 2: me support in such a different way. There was a

957
00:49:30,445 --> 00:49:32,445
Speaker 2: lot of changes going on at the school at the time,

958
00:49:32,485 --> 00:49:35,445
Speaker 2: and I just felt like I needed to change myself

959
00:49:35,645 --> 00:49:38,565
Speaker 2: and move somewhere else. And I had a best friend

960
00:49:38,605 --> 00:49:41,685
Speaker 2: from primary school who went to another school and was

961
00:49:41,725 --> 00:49:44,485
Speaker 2: still close friends, and I thought I wanted to give

962
00:49:44,485 --> 00:49:48,725
Speaker 2: out co ed learning go So I moved there and

963
00:49:48,965 --> 00:49:52,245
Speaker 2: it was wonderful, but it didn't feel right, like perfect

964
00:49:52,325 --> 00:49:55,405
Speaker 2: for me. So then a very good family friend of mine,

965
00:49:55,445 --> 00:49:59,205
Speaker 2: the one who came to England with me the week later. Yeah,

966
00:49:59,445 --> 00:50:02,685
Speaker 2: she went to my final high school, like graduated five

967
00:50:02,805 --> 00:50:05,485
Speaker 2: years after that before I did. And she said from

968
00:50:05,725 --> 00:50:07,685
Speaker 2: day one it was a senior school, so you could

969
00:50:07,725 --> 00:50:09,965
Speaker 2: only go for year eleven and twelve. She went, said

970
00:50:09,965 --> 00:50:12,165
Speaker 2: since day one of me leaving my first school, you

971
00:50:12,205 --> 00:50:14,805
Speaker 2: would love the school. And I went and it was

972
00:50:14,885 --> 00:50:18,885
Speaker 2: the complete opposite. Each three schools were completely polar opposites.

973
00:50:19,365 --> 00:50:22,005
Speaker 2: I went from an old girls school and then to

974
00:50:22,045 --> 00:50:24,685
Speaker 2: a co ed, then to a school where you called

975
00:50:24,685 --> 00:50:26,165
Speaker 2: their teachers by their first name.

976
00:50:26,405 --> 00:50:28,365
Speaker 1: And that was the one that suited you the best.

977
00:50:28,525 --> 00:50:31,125
Speaker 2: It was so you got so much freedom and you

978
00:50:31,205 --> 00:50:33,845
Speaker 2: were allowed to grow individually.

979
00:50:33,925 --> 00:50:34,365
Speaker 1: I felt.

980
00:50:34,405 --> 00:50:37,445
Speaker 2: I feel a lot of schools try and compress the

981
00:50:37,605 --> 00:50:42,525
Speaker 2: child's individuality and creativity, except in the creative subjects. And

982
00:50:42,565 --> 00:50:44,765
Speaker 2: I felt this school because you could wear whatever you

983
00:50:44,805 --> 00:50:47,085
Speaker 2: wanted to school. We had a common room where it

984
00:50:47,125 --> 00:50:49,325
Speaker 2: wasn't just for one year, it was for both years.

985
00:50:50,005 --> 00:50:51,845
Speaker 2: And you could go out at lunch if you wanted

986
00:50:51,845 --> 00:50:52,885
Speaker 2: to go up to chats what it.

987
00:50:52,885 --> 00:50:55,445
Speaker 1: Want, So you were treated much more like an adult exactly.

988
00:50:56,205 --> 00:50:59,805
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was an adult learning environment. Yeah. And I

989
00:50:59,845 --> 00:51:02,125
Speaker 2: know people I went to school with it didn't suit them.

990
00:51:02,205 --> 00:51:04,765
Speaker 2: They moved schools or they ended up going to take

991
00:51:04,845 --> 00:51:08,125
Speaker 2: for apprenticeships and whatnot. But for some of my best

992
00:51:08,125 --> 00:51:10,165
Speaker 2: friends still to this day, it was the best thing

993
00:51:10,205 --> 00:51:12,605
Speaker 2: that could have done for them. It just so happened

994
00:51:12,605 --> 00:51:15,165
Speaker 2: that we met the people that changed our lives for

995
00:51:15,205 --> 00:51:17,525
Speaker 2: the better. Like my best friends I met on the

996
00:51:17,565 --> 00:51:20,365
Speaker 2: first day and were still best friends. It just worked

997
00:51:20,365 --> 00:51:22,365
Speaker 2: for me. It was what I needed in a school.

998
00:51:22,445 --> 00:51:25,725
Speaker 2: I needed that independence and that opportunity to let me grow.

999
00:51:26,205 --> 00:51:29,445
Speaker 2: And then I moved to England to get more independence independence.

1000
00:51:29,685 --> 00:51:31,365
Speaker 1: There was another little girl that was endured that day

1001
00:51:31,365 --> 00:51:34,165
Speaker 1: as well, Molly would Molly. She sort of disappeared from

1002
00:51:34,165 --> 00:51:37,325
Speaker 1: the public ice quite quickly. I suppose everybody wanted you

1003
00:51:37,325 --> 00:51:39,765
Speaker 1: guys to sort of stay friends and all of that

1004
00:51:39,845 --> 00:51:42,645
Speaker 1: was her experience very different to yours or you've lost contact.

1005
00:51:43,285 --> 00:51:47,045
Speaker 2: She her family wanted to shy away from the media

1006
00:51:47,245 --> 00:51:50,805
Speaker 2: a bit more. We're completely their decision, no judgment there

1007
00:51:50,805 --> 00:51:53,245
Speaker 2: for that, but I think they took a different approach

1008
00:51:53,365 --> 00:51:54,445
Speaker 2: to the trauma.

1009
00:51:54,685 --> 00:51:56,485
Speaker 1: I mean, most people aren't still friends with someone they

1010
00:51:56,485 --> 00:51:58,045
Speaker 1: were friends with it too exactly.

1011
00:51:58,125 --> 00:52:01,165
Speaker 3: They ended up moving to the UK, so that.

1012
00:52:01,965 --> 00:52:03,925
Speaker 2: When we were quite young, like they moved around ten

1013
00:52:04,005 --> 00:52:06,525
Speaker 2: years ago. Now I still remember saying goodbye to her.

1014
00:52:06,965 --> 00:52:11,565
Speaker 2: But yeah, to that point to yeah, Molly's mum, Caroline

1015
00:52:11,725 --> 00:52:13,685
Speaker 2: was British and then she wanted to go back for

1016
00:52:13,725 --> 00:52:15,525
Speaker 2: a family. So yeah, there was the type of thing

1017
00:52:15,565 --> 00:52:19,325
Speaker 2: that we just naturally split apart. But we're Facebook friends.

1018
00:52:19,325 --> 00:52:22,325
Speaker 2: We haven't been in contact as such, but.

1019
00:52:22,205 --> 00:52:23,565
Speaker 1: We Facebook friends will do it.

1020
00:52:23,685 --> 00:52:27,685
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it doesn't for now like COVID's Yeah, like

1021
00:52:27,765 --> 00:52:29,965
Speaker 2: otherwise may have seen each other, but it's to explame

1022
00:52:30,005 --> 00:52:30,565
Speaker 2: it on COVID.

1023
00:52:31,125 --> 00:52:35,685
Speaker 1: Post Traumatic stress syndrome is something that I thought everybody

1024
00:52:35,725 --> 00:52:40,165
Speaker 1: got after they experienced a tragedy or a catastrophic traumatic

1025
00:52:40,165 --> 00:52:43,245
Speaker 1: event since talking to a lot of people, but also

1026
00:52:43,285 --> 00:52:46,325
Speaker 1: in Leis sales book One Ordinary Day, she talks about

1027
00:52:46,325 --> 00:52:49,365
Speaker 1: how what you don't hear about is post traumatic growth

1028
00:52:49,405 --> 00:52:53,205
Speaker 1: syndrome as well, that a lot of people have the

1029
00:52:53,285 --> 00:52:56,525
Speaker 1: light in their life turned up, not down, by a

1030
00:52:56,565 --> 00:53:00,205
Speaker 1: tragedy or a catastrophic trauma. I get the sense that's

1031
00:53:00,325 --> 00:53:04,645
Speaker 1: the case with you. I don't want to pollyannerate but

1032
00:53:05,205 --> 00:53:08,085
Speaker 1: you seem to I don't know, is that true. I

1033
00:53:08,085 --> 00:53:09,245
Speaker 1: don't want to put words in your mouth.

1034
00:53:09,445 --> 00:53:11,805
Speaker 3: Well, I think it is in the sense that I

1035
00:53:11,965 --> 00:53:16,485
Speaker 3: felt our lives became more enriched by the experience and

1036
00:53:17,165 --> 00:53:20,925
Speaker 3: because of the people, the inspiring people we met, stories

1037
00:53:20,965 --> 00:53:25,405
Speaker 3: of people who've risen to challenges beyond anything we've experienced.

1038
00:53:26,125 --> 00:53:29,725
Speaker 3: They're just great stories of inspiration. Well that word inspiration,

1039
00:53:29,885 --> 00:53:32,125
Speaker 3: but they do when you're in this situation, they do

1040
00:53:32,245 --> 00:53:35,805
Speaker 3: inspire you to keep going. The people who've reached out

1041
00:53:35,885 --> 00:53:39,285
Speaker 3: to us that had no connection to us, who felt

1042
00:53:39,365 --> 00:53:41,725
Speaker 3: that they could offer us something to help us through,

1043
00:53:42,485 --> 00:53:44,965
Speaker 3: and the support that we've had as a family from

1044
00:53:45,005 --> 00:53:47,445
Speaker 3: the community. You know, so I said it was bigger

1045
00:53:47,485 --> 00:53:50,765
Speaker 3: than we could manage. We reached out and we were

1046
00:53:51,045 --> 00:53:53,885
Speaker 3: supported by the community, which allowed us in turn to

1047
00:53:53,925 --> 00:53:55,085
Speaker 3: support a broader.

1048
00:53:54,805 --> 00:53:58,925
Speaker 1: Community through the charity millions of dollars.

1049
00:53:58,565 --> 00:54:01,525
Speaker 3: But also through the gifts that we were given from

1050
00:54:01,605 --> 00:54:04,085
Speaker 3: the community. If we couldn't use the gifts, we would

1051
00:54:04,085 --> 00:54:06,885
Speaker 3: find people who could use the gifts. If it was food,

1052
00:54:07,125 --> 00:54:10,205
Speaker 3: or if it was clothing or whatever was sent. If

1053
00:54:10,205 --> 00:54:13,765
Speaker 3: we didn't have a need ourselves, we knew where it

1054
00:54:13,805 --> 00:54:17,725
Speaker 3: could be best used. And so we were in a

1055
00:54:17,765 --> 00:54:20,565
Speaker 3: fortunate position, certainly living in a children's hossible for the

1056
00:54:20,605 --> 00:54:24,765
Speaker 3: length of time that we had to meet people who

1057
00:54:24,885 --> 00:54:30,525
Speaker 3: needed more and organizations and other charities that touch I

1058
00:54:30,525 --> 00:54:32,885
Speaker 3: think of the Steve Wall Foundation that touch on the

1059
00:54:33,005 --> 00:54:36,565
Speaker 3: rarest type of syndromes, you know, so we can sort

1060
00:54:36,565 --> 00:54:37,885
Speaker 3: of like a club.

1061
00:54:37,685 --> 00:54:39,965
Speaker 1: That no one wants to join, but once you're in it,

1062
00:54:40,685 --> 00:54:42,205
Speaker 1: you meet some pretty amazing people.

1063
00:54:42,365 --> 00:54:44,085
Speaker 3: Do meet amazing people.

1064
00:54:43,845 --> 00:54:46,285
Speaker 1: Sophie, Is it weird when you've got the media speculating

1065
00:54:46,325 --> 00:54:49,245
Speaker 1: on whether you've got a boyfriend or got a boyfriend?

1066
00:54:50,085 --> 00:54:52,365
Speaker 2: I found when I first moved to England. It was

1067
00:54:52,405 --> 00:54:54,045
Speaker 2: a bit shocking because I think.

1068
00:54:53,925 --> 00:54:56,165
Speaker 1: That's like we were in the gossip column Suddenly.

1069
00:54:56,445 --> 00:55:01,925
Speaker 2: I was very confused about that, especially because people I

1070
00:55:02,085 --> 00:55:06,325
Speaker 2: was speculated to be dating were gay. But there were

1071
00:55:06,325 --> 00:55:10,285
Speaker 2: photos of me with their boyfriend and my older friend,

1072
00:55:10,765 --> 00:55:13,365
Speaker 2: and like it was immediately like they have to be

1073
00:55:13,445 --> 00:55:17,485
Speaker 2: together because my entire life, some of my closest friends

1074
00:55:17,525 --> 00:55:19,365
Speaker 2: are guys I've always had.

1075
00:55:19,445 --> 00:55:22,485
Speaker 1: So they're scanning your Instagram and trying to make stories

1076
00:55:22,605 --> 00:55:25,525
Speaker 1: around the pictures exactly. I mean, that must be It's

1077
00:55:25,525 --> 00:55:27,885
Speaker 1: funny in a way. Carolyn when you think about all

1078
00:55:27,925 --> 00:55:29,805
Speaker 1: those dark knights of the soul that you must have

1079
00:55:29,885 --> 00:55:32,805
Speaker 1: had in hospitals, and just think, one day the gossip

1080
00:55:33,245 --> 00:55:36,845
Speaker 1: is going to be like Sophie Delizia's new boyfriend, Like

1081
00:55:37,405 --> 00:55:39,485
Speaker 1: you would have loved to have that as a problem

1082
00:55:39,605 --> 00:55:43,085
Speaker 1: right back then when you were thinking about Kohala's bearing

1083
00:55:44,085 --> 00:55:46,245
Speaker 1: exactly do you kind of just laugh?

1084
00:55:46,605 --> 00:55:49,605
Speaker 2: Yeah, My friends and the ones who've been speculated that

1085
00:55:49,645 --> 00:55:53,685
Speaker 2: I'm dating, we love it. Like whatever, there's a gossip

1086
00:55:53,725 --> 00:55:56,005
Speaker 2: article that comes out, we always cried around a phone

1087
00:55:56,005 --> 00:55:57,925
Speaker 2: and we're like reading it, like, oh, I think there's

1088
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Speaker 2: that's hysterical.

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Speaker 1: Like Sophie gossip bingo exactly exactly's gonna get called?

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's so funny, Like the guy went to formal

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Speaker 2: with outat a girlfriend and like we'll just photographed together

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Speaker 2: as like a here's my formal date sort of thing,

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Speaker 2: like here's my best friend.

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Speaker 1: I think it's part of everyone just feeling so invested

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Speaker 1: in your happiness. Yea, And that's not necessarily what happiness is,

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Speaker 1: having a boyfriend or a girlfriend or whatever. That's not

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Speaker 1: necessarily what happiness is, but it's everyone just wants, you know,

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Speaker 1: no happily ever after but it seems to me that

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Speaker 1: you've got that in just who you are and the

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Speaker 1: relationship you have with your family exactly.

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Speaker 2: And I think my friends have such a big part

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Speaker 2: to do with that as well, Like I don't need

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Speaker 2: a boyfriend to be happy.

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Speaker 1: You sure don't. Yeah, what extraordinary women you both are.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Your relationship is just beautiful to behold as well. The

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Speaker 1: care that you have with each other is just so beautiful.

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Speaker 1: I hope you feel the love that everybody has when

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Speaker 1: I tell them that you're both coming in. Oh. I

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Speaker 1: was so excited to meet Sophie and her mum. I

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Speaker 1: feel like their faces are sort of etched in to

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Speaker 1: my mind and my heart in the way that they

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Speaker 1: are for so many people. And it's really interesting when

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Speaker 1: you meet people that you feel you have watched through

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Speaker 1: the media for so many years and who you've sort

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Speaker 1: of rooted for behind the scenes. They were just so

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Speaker 1: Caroline had like a real sort of solid I don't know,

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Speaker 1: she just seemed very grounded, and Sophie was just more

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Speaker 1: grounded and more delightful than your average nineteen year old.

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Speaker 1: She was just joyful. She has a real lightness and

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Speaker 1: cheekiness in her spirit. And I was just so buzzed.

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Speaker 1: And when I told people that I'd interviewed them, they

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Speaker 1: were like, oh my god, oh my god. Like everyone's

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Speaker 1: got a real connection, which must be kind of weird

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Speaker 1: if you're Sophie and her mum, but yeah, they are

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Speaker 1: such such beautiful people. To find out more or donate

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Speaker 1: to Sophie's charity Day of Difference, which has helped so

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Speaker 1: many people, please head to the link in our show notes.

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Speaker 1: Side was produced by Leah Porges. The executive producer of

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Speaker 1: No Filter is Eliza Ratliffe. I'm Meya Friedman and I'll

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Speaker 1: see you on momamya dot com dot au