Speaker 1: I think of life like a video game, right, and
Speaker 1: I think that when you're on level one, it's really
Speaker 1: really hard for you. You have to beat the baddie
Speaker 1: at the end to the level to get to level two.
Speaker 1: And once you beat the baddie or beat the challenge,
Speaker 1: you're on to level two. And when you're on too,
Speaker 1: level two, it's also really really hard, and then you
Speaker 1: have to beat the baddie at the end to level two.
Speaker 1: It's harder than it was at level one. But imagine
Speaker 1: if you saw on level one all of the challenges
Speaker 1: that you have up and coming, because I don't think
Speaker 1: the challenges ever end right, Like, level ten is so
Speaker 1: much harder than level one, but it still feels the same.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Seas the Yay Podcast. Busy and happy
Speaker 2: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what
Speaker 2: makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but
Speaker 2: rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than
Speaker 2: one way. So this is a platform to hear and
Speaker 2: explore the stories of those who found lives. They adore,
Speaker 2: the good, bad and ugly, The best and worst day
Speaker 2: will bear all the facets of seizing your yay. I'm
Speaker 2: Sarah Davidson or a spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned
Speaker 2: untrebernout who swapped the suits and heels to co found
Speaker 2: matcha Maiden and matcha Milkbar. CZA is a series of
Speaker 2: conversations on finding a life you love and exploring the
Speaker 2: self doubt, challenge, joy and fulfillment along the way. Hallo,
Speaker 2: lovely yahlhood. I have missed you guys so much. Welcome
Speaker 2: back to the show after approximately ninety two business months
Speaker 2: since the last episode. I am so grateful for all
Speaker 2: of your patients during our extended hiatus. It's actually only
Speaker 2: been ten weeks since the last episode, but it feels
Speaker 2: like I've lived ten lifetimes since that time. Feeling a
Speaker 2: bit haggard and I had planned for a much shorter gap,
Speaker 2: but we are here now and it is so good
Speaker 2: to be back. If you've been following along on Social's,
Speaker 2: motherhood has been my favorite chapter of my life so far,
Speaker 2: and our little Teddy is just the sweetest boy who
Speaker 2: is growing up so fast. He is four months now,
Speaker 2: and I just can't believe that time has flown by.
Speaker 2: It's been the best but also the messiest, hardest, and
Speaker 2: least predictable hence the challenges recording until now that we're
Speaker 2: finding our feet a little bit more and can predict
Speaker 2: when an audio recording will be possible. I will save
Speaker 2: more of a little life update for our next days
Speaker 2: of our lives chat with and and also assume most
Speaker 2: of you follow on one socials anyway, so don't want
Speaker 2: to completely turn every platform into a teddy shrine, although
Speaker 2: that kind of is what my life has become. But
Speaker 2: I will keep today to come back with a bang.
Speaker 2: I couldn't have picked a better first guest back than
Speaker 2: Matilda Murray. As you'll hear, she is pretty much a
Speaker 2: walking embodiment of Cca and articulates everything that's in my head,
Speaker 2: but better and in a way that you haven't already
Speaker 2: heard me parent on about before a million times. I
Speaker 2: was actually really nervous before this one. I think I
Speaker 2: say it to Matilda at the start because it's been
Speaker 2: such a long time and I've been in such a
Speaker 2: different headspace. I was feeling really dusty at the start.
Speaker 2: As you know, on the show, we love to lean
Speaker 2: into discomfort and we've to see nerves as a good
Speaker 2: sign that we're not complacent. But I did find it
Speaker 2: so invigorating to hear some of my favorite life philosophies
Speaker 2: about discomfort in a new way from her. It's almost
Speaker 2: like she was exactly the person that I needed to hear,
Speaker 2: So I hope that she is that for some of
Speaker 2: you guys as well. I followed Matilda for many years
Speaker 2: now and got to meet her a couple of years
Speaker 2: ago with her partner Don at an event I was
Speaker 2: hosting in Brisbane. Actually, and of course I found a girl.
Speaker 2: Her path y eight represents so many things that we
Speaker 2: love on this show. She and her partner Don are
Speaker 2: now the brain's behind multi million dollar active where brand
Speaker 2: Stacks and Second Left. You've probably heard of both. It's
Speaker 2: pretty hard to go outside without seeing someone drenched in
Speaker 2: one or the other. They are living their dreams, showing
Speaker 2: the brands in Paris at Fashion Week and opening new
Speaker 2: stores left, right and center. But Matilda didn't finish school,
Speaker 2: even though she's the child of two parents in education.
Speaker 2: She started off in a career that she didn't love.
Speaker 2: That life lasted many years. I think it was eight
Speaker 2: or nine years before the chapter that she's in now,
Speaker 2: and in an industry that isn't necessarily related to the
Speaker 2: one she's in now and Stax was actually born as
Speaker 2: a pivot from an originally failed business, which you would
Speaker 2: not guess from the outside unless you already knew. And
Speaker 2: it's the perfect example of the quote I always bagne
Speaker 2: about about not needing to see the top of the staircase.
Speaker 2: You just need to take the first step. Except Matilda
Speaker 2: has a way better analogy that absolutely blew my mind.
Speaker 2: And again it was the quote I needed to hear.
Speaker 2: It's about video games, a little bit unexpected, but I'm
Speaker 2: sure you will write it down when you hear it.
Speaker 2: Matilda has also become an institution in and of herself,
Speaker 2: and you'll soon understand why the masses hang on to
Speaker 2: her every word about business, about fashion, and about lifestyle.
Speaker 2: I just love this chat so much, getting to know
Speaker 2: the person behind both the business and her personal brand,
Speaker 2: and it gave me so much love back for the show,
Speaker 2: so I hope it does for you guys too, and
Speaker 2: I hope you enjoy Matilda. Welcome to Cca.
Speaker 1: Hello, my love, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much for joining. I am so
Speaker 2: excited about this one, so nervous because, as I mentioned,
Speaker 2: this is the first episode back in like maybe twenty
Speaker 2: five weeks or more, and I'm nervous.
Speaker 1: I got cheester, you were nothing to be nervous about.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm so glad that it's you. I couldn't think
Speaker 2: of anyone better to break the drought with. You have
Speaker 2: such an incredible story and I can't wait to get
Speaker 2: into it. I am a long time follower, first time caller,
Speaker 2: and can't wait to get into all the details of
Speaker 2: your incredible journey. But as you've listened to the podcast,
Speaker 2: which is so flattering and all our listeners know, I
Speaker 2: definitely want to make our way to the incredible chapter
Speaker 2: you're in now with Stax and Second Left. I'm actually
Speaker 2: wearing my Stack sweater right now.
Speaker 1: I was going to compliment it.
Speaker 2: You're great the comfys thing I own. You'd be hard
Speaker 2: pressed to go outside now without seeing somebody adorned in
Speaker 2: Stacks or Second Left. But I love to take it
Speaker 2: right back to where you started, because I think that
Speaker 2: doesn't get as much air time, and it's much more
Speaker 2: reassuring to hear that everyone started somewhere as a young
Speaker 2: kid without knowing where they'd end up. And I know
Speaker 2: that you know you and Don had like a very
Speaker 2: humble beginning. It didn't sort of start as a multimillion
Speaker 2: dollar business. So can we go back to childhood, Matilda.
Speaker 2: I know that you were the daughter of a high
Speaker 2: school principal and teacher, so very much education focused and
Speaker 2: had a whole career before Stack. So what we like
Speaker 2: as a kid.
Speaker 1: It's so funny. I was actually telling some of my
Speaker 1: team the other day that I was so antisocial as
Speaker 1: a kid, like I did not you know, when your
Speaker 1: parents will take you to like their parent friend's house
Speaker 1: and you have to play with the kids. I would
Speaker 1: never play with the kids. I just wanted to hang
Speaker 1: out with the parents all the time. And I used
Speaker 1: to have like a star chart, and if I was
Speaker 1: like nice to children, like I wasn't rude or a
Speaker 1: bullied kids, I just didn't want to hang out with them.
Speaker 1: And I used to get like star charts and or
Speaker 1: stars in my chart, and then like every ten stars,
Speaker 1: I think I would get a Barbie doll. So I
Speaker 1: was working for a Barbie doll. I feel like I've
Speaker 1: always made like very goal orientated. I knew I wanted
Speaker 1: Barbie doll, so whatever it took, but I used to
Speaker 1: have to do that. And I have a sister who's
Speaker 1: fourteen years older than me, So I kind of grew
Speaker 1: up as like an only child. So it was just
Speaker 1: like me and my barbies all the time. I like
Speaker 1: was very independent in that sense, I would say a
Speaker 1: bit of a loner. I went through school and I
Speaker 1: left when I was fifteen sixteen, so I didn't finish
Speaker 1: high school, which considering my parents are both school teachers,
Speaker 1: my dad's principal mum was a school teacher, that was
Speaker 1: quite shocking. Like my parents were fine with it. They've
Speaker 1: always been fantastic and always been like whatever makes you happy,
Speaker 1: you do that, like you don't have to follow that path.
Speaker 1: But it was definitely, like now looking back, a decision
Speaker 1: that I don't think they would have taken, like too lightly.
Speaker 1: Maybe like I don't want to do school anymore. So
Speaker 1: I left school in year eleven and then I went
Speaker 1: and did beauty therapy. And I did beauty therapy for
Speaker 1: a year, like the course, and then I started working
Speaker 1: as a beauty therapist. But like I was a bit
Speaker 1: of a party girl, Like that was just like getting
Speaker 1: me through, Like literally it was just buying.
Speaker 2: My alcohol CARDI breezes.
Speaker 1: And then my mum and dad said to me one day,
Speaker 1: They're like, you got to get your shit together, Like
Speaker 1: we're not spending the weekends like drunk Monday, hungover, go
Speaker 1: to work for a couple of days, and then do
Speaker 1: it all again, like if you left school. You told
Speaker 1: me you left school for a reason, Like let's do it, Like,
Speaker 1: let's do something. So I ended up getting a receptionist
Speaker 1: job in recruitment. Looking back now, I think the only
Speaker 1: reason I got it is because I was the only
Speaker 1: person that would take the salary. It was so I
Speaker 1: think it was nineteen thousand dollars a year. Oh, I
Speaker 1: don't even know if that's legal. Like I swear to God.
Speaker 1: The reason I think I got the job, I had
Speaker 1: no skills, nothing, was because I accepted the right. But
Speaker 1: this was many, many years ago. I'm showing my age now.
Speaker 1: But I worked really hard in that job, Like I
Speaker 1: worked my ass off, and I ended up moving into
Speaker 1: like an admin position and then recruiter, and then I
Speaker 1: went to a different a couple of different recruiter companies
Speaker 1: and ended up being like account manager and doing all
Speaker 1: this and build myself up in that position. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it was very like left high school. Beauty there he
Speaker 1: was the goal in the dream. And then I realized
Speaker 1: that partying was my goal in my dream, and I
Speaker 1: had to do something a little bit more mature eventually.
Speaker 1: And yeah, so I did recruitment and then I met Don.
Speaker 1: He was working in a supplement store. I was working
Speaker 1: recruitment literally next door. This is in Perth as well.
Speaker 1: I saw this, this is the lunch break, this is.
Speaker 2: The lunch break where.
Speaker 1: Yes, so he worked in a supplement store and I
Speaker 1: just went in and bought a protein bar off him.
Speaker 1: I literally went in and I complained about the price,
Speaker 1: like I was such a bitch, Like I literally bought dan.
Speaker 1: Then I was like this is too expensive, Like I
Speaker 1: could get this from coals, And I think he said,
Speaker 1: well go to coals then, and like that was our
Speaker 1: first conversation, and then I left and I.
Speaker 2: Was like, yeah, bye.
Speaker 1: I was like, he's kind of cute. So the next
Speaker 1: day I put my heels on to go and get
Speaker 1: my protein bar. I'd sit in the office and we'd
Speaker 1: all be wearing flats, but before my lunch break, I
Speaker 1: would always go and put my heels on and go
Speaker 1: flirt with a cute supplement store boy next door, who
Speaker 1: years later is my husband. Now. So it's just crazy.
Speaker 1: It's crazy how life like you can't really plan anything,
Speaker 1: Like life just works out the way it's supposed to
Speaker 1: it as wild.
Speaker 2: Oh oh my god, that's the SoundBite for the whole episode.
Speaker 2: You can go now like you've already proven my exact
Speaker 2: point in this entire show. And that's why I love
Speaker 2: going back to the beginning to people's you know, like
Speaker 2: very very first ideas of who they might be. You've
Speaker 2: already said in hindsight a couple of times or looking back,
Speaker 2: and I think it all makes sense. The dots all
Speaker 2: connect when you look backwards, but at the time you
Speaker 2: don't know that. You don't know that it's going to
Speaker 2: work out, Like leaving school is a huge departure from
Speaker 2: the conventional pathway to success and what everyone around you
Speaker 2: in society is telling you you should do or what
Speaker 2: you know the pathway that you should, like all the shoulds,
Speaker 2: you didn't have a guarantee that it would work out then,
Speaker 2: but you're just trusting that taking the next step one day,
Speaker 2: you'll end up somewhere and look back and all the
Speaker 2: dots will connect, even if they don't make sense forwards.
Speaker 2: So I love that you've already had that, like we're
Speaker 2: at the start of stacks, let alone where you've gotten
Speaker 2: to now, and none of that really makes sense in
Speaker 2: order going forwards, but it kind of does when you
Speaker 2: look backwards.
Speaker 1: I'm so big on that as well. I'm so big
Speaker 1: on trusting the process, knowing that there's a bigger plan,
Speaker 1: taking all the lessons that you've learned from any of
Speaker 1: the mistakes sort of things that have gone wrong. Dohn says, like,
Speaker 1: I'm just way too optimistic, like he gives him the
Speaker 1: dick sometimes because I can always find it positive in
Speaker 1: every situation, like I can. That's like my I've always
Speaker 1: been able to do that. I can always flip a
Speaker 1: negative to a positive, and it pierces people off. I
Speaker 1: totally get that, but it's just the way that my
Speaker 1: mindset works, Like I just I am that person who's
Speaker 1: like I am very logical as well. If I'm in
Speaker 1: a situation, I could think, okay, like what's the next step.
Speaker 1: This is where we are, Like, let's take the emotion
Speaker 1: out of it and let's fix it. But then when
Speaker 1: I'm out of it, I'm always like, Okay. So this
Speaker 1: happened because it was supposed to teach me this at
Speaker 1: this time to prepare me for this.
Speaker 2: Oh, I love that. I think that's exactly my mindset,
Speaker 2: that you either win or you learn, like either things
Speaker 2: do go exactly how you planned or they go completely
Speaker 2: the opposite. But it taught you what you needed to
Speaker 2: know for the next chapter, which you could have had
Speaker 2: no idea was going to work out the way it did.
Speaker 2: But somehow it was what you meant to do, maybe
Speaker 2: not you plan to do. And I love that. Have
Speaker 2: you ever found that there is such an emphasis? And
Speaker 2: I think it's getting a lot better, but there is
Speaker 2: such an emphasis. Like what we look at in this
Speaker 2: part of the podcast is always people's pathways and the
Speaker 2: pressures they had to be pulled in different directions, versus
Speaker 2: the thing they actually ended up doing, which is the
Speaker 2: thing they love. Did you find that not finishing school
Speaker 2: and not kind of taking that conventional step. I'm so
Speaker 2: glad that your parents didn't put that pressure on you,
Speaker 2: But was there other societal pressure along the way. Did
Speaker 2: people ever kind of discount you because you didn't do that,
Speaker 2: or underestimate you because you didn't have your full education?
Speaker 1: I mean I lied about it a couple of times,
Speaker 1: like in interviews amazing to get my recruitment job. I
Speaker 1: didn't lie about it, but I just never I just
Speaker 1: kind of left that off my resme or I didn't
Speaker 1: mention it or so I don't think I've ever been like,
Speaker 1: to answer your question, no, I don't think so. I
Speaker 1: think I've like I always have just kind of had
Speaker 1: confidence in myself, that a belief in myself that I
Speaker 1: can do I can do things, I can do what's
Speaker 1: expected and hopefully more. I've always had that kind of
Speaker 1: mindset where like, if I put my heart and soulider,
Speaker 1: I will be able to achieve it. And I don't
Speaker 1: think i've ever I think it's come down to a
Speaker 1: lot of like my parents as well, because like they're
Speaker 1: the ones that kind of you would expect to keep
Speaker 1: me in school, keep me in this, and do this
Speaker 1: and do that. But they always said to me, like,
Speaker 1: whatever makes you happy to like, it's not about the money,
Speaker 1: it's about like you being happy and like fulfilling with
Speaker 1: your dream and your passion. So I've always had that mindset,
Speaker 1: and I've always just been very lucky in a sense
Speaker 1: that I've had a true sense of who I am
Speaker 1: and myself and what I can do, And I think
Speaker 1: that's been like really better visual. I don't know if
Speaker 1: that really answers the question, so to speak, But I've
Speaker 1: never kind of underestimated or doubted myself in that sense. Like,
Speaker 1: of course, imposter syndrome is a real thing being in
Speaker 1: a room where you don't necessarily think that you're qualified
Speaker 1: to or belong. But again, me being annoyingly positive, I
Speaker 1: look at impositive room, that's something really great. Like I
Speaker 1: don't think you should be in a room where you
Speaker 1: think you belong and you're the smartest person in the room,
Speaker 1: because like how do you grow from that? Like you
Speaker 1: should constantly be in a room where you're out of depth,
Speaker 1: because that's where the magic will happen. Like you should
Speaker 1: feel imposter syndrome, Like you should be nervous about things,
Speaker 1: you should be excited for things, you should feel a
Speaker 1: little underqualified for something, because that's like that's the next
Speaker 1: level of life. Like if we just stay on that
Speaker 1: same level, like you'll just become like stale, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. I always say that the minute
Speaker 2: that the self doubt goes, I kind of take that
Speaker 2: as a sign that I'm complacent and that I'm not
Speaker 2: learning anymore, and I'm not invested in doing a better job.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, oh, maybe it's time to step up
Speaker 2: to the next level of discomfort, because obviously the comfort
Speaker 2: zone is caught up with me. The nerves are telling
Speaker 2: me something, which is a good sign. And I'm the
Speaker 2: same as you. I'm annoyingly positive. And my husband also
Speaker 2: finds that really frustrating because he's a little bit more reserved.
Speaker 2: And like, I think in a business you need both
Speaker 2: sides of the brain. You need like a risk averse
Speaker 2: person to be able to see one side, but you
Speaker 2: need a really optimistic person. And I want to get
Speaker 2: into that as well. There's skills sharing when it comes
Speaker 2: to going into business with a loved one and how
Speaker 2: you guys divide those tasks. But first I just wanted
Speaker 2: to say how refreshing it is that I think a
Speaker 2: a lot of the time, so much of people's stories
Speaker 2: is consumed by self doubt, imposter syndrome, barriers, sphere of failure,
Speaker 2: and it's really refreshing that you weren't pulled in so
Speaker 2: many directions that you did always have, like it's possible
Speaker 2: to have a pathway where you don't know where you're
Speaker 2: going to end up next. But you're also not completely
Speaker 2: lost either. You weren't like, who am I what am
Speaker 2: I going to do? You were just I'm in this,
Speaker 2: while I'm in this. Your recruitment career was not what
Speaker 2: you ended up in. But it's okay that you did
Speaker 2: the best you could at the time. Did it teach
Speaker 2: you things that now you're glad that you have.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, so much Like it's funny when you're
Speaker 1: in a situation that you might not love. Like I mean,
Speaker 1: there was days where when I had met Don and
Speaker 1: we were working on stacks bts, you know, before work,
Speaker 1: after work, on my lunch breaks, where my boss wasn't
Speaker 1: looking things like that. There were days in the morning
Speaker 1: where I'd be crying because I didn't want to go
Speaker 1: to work. Like I knew what my passion was, and
Speaker 1: my passion was stacks. But at that point John had
Speaker 1: quit his full time job. He was just working on stacks,
Speaker 1: and I was paying the rent. I was doing all
Speaker 1: this for us, so I had to keep going and
Speaker 1: I hated it, Like that was really tough, and that
Speaker 1: was a tough time because like I knew what I
Speaker 1: wanted to do, but I had to, like put on
Speaker 1: like apts every day, you know, like show up and
Speaker 1: be the best version of myself and give this job
Speaker 1: that I didn't want to do my all and I
Speaker 1: hated it so much. But now looking back, like that
Speaker 1: firstly taught me resilience, my like interpersonal skills and the
Speaker 1: way I'm able to chat with people. I definitely learned
Speaker 1: that from recruitment because a lot of the time in recruitment,
Speaker 1: like I've worked in every industry, I had no idea
Speaker 1: what these like super high level CEOs were doing, but
Speaker 1: I had to take them out for coffee and find
Speaker 1: out about their job and then hopefully find them another job,
Speaker 1: and I just had to wing it. Being able to
Speaker 1: wing it has taught me a lot as well. I
Speaker 1: can interview people I know hr, so like there's a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff that I didn't realize I was learning.
Speaker 1: But now I look back and I'm like, oh, wow,
Speaker 1: like that time in recruitment, because I was that's like
Speaker 1: I did recruitment for like eight years or something. So
Speaker 1: it definitely I learned a lot in my time, and
Speaker 1: I spoke to all different people of all walks of life,
Speaker 1: and yeah, looking back now, there are so many lessons
Speaker 1: I didn't realize I was learning. I'm so grateful that
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 2: Like, eight years is a hefty chapter of your life
Speaker 2: to be doing something that you know is not going
Speaker 2: to be your forever job. And I think that often
Speaker 2: people give advice in business podcasts or motivational podcasts about
Speaker 2: that positivity mindset that you know, they give advice for
Speaker 2: you when you're in the good times, like once you've
Speaker 2: found your passion, this is how you hustle, this is
Speaker 2: how you set goals, this is how you time manage.
Speaker 2: What I think a lot of people need is advice
Speaker 2: before they've found that when they're in a chapter that
Speaker 2: they don't like. Because a lot of people are in
Speaker 2: a chapter that isn't necessarily the one they want to
Speaker 2: end up in. They don't know that their stacks might
Speaker 2: be around the corner, because sometimes you do have to
Speaker 2: stick with that for eight years or ten years. Like
Speaker 2: my legal career was like ten years. I knew I
Speaker 2: didn't want to be there forever, but I didn't have
Speaker 2: my next step. And nothing is ever a waste, Like
Speaker 2: even if you don't love where you are, there's something
Speaker 2: that you can get out of it. It might take
Speaker 2: you eight years I don't think many people looking at
Speaker 2: you now would know that you were doing a job
Speaker 2: for eight years that you didn't love before stacks, And
Speaker 2: it's like, how did you get through that? It's easy
Speaker 2: to get through. It's not easy, but it's easy to
Speaker 2: go to work every day when you love what you do,
Speaker 2: when you do it with your husband. But it wasn't
Speaker 2: easy for eight years you cried at your job, but
Speaker 2: you got through it because you were learning something. So
Speaker 2: I love that. It's like you can stick with something
Speaker 2: you don't love, but as long as you're learning something
Speaker 2: along the way, you never know when it'll be useful later.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I heard someone say something and they're talking about
Speaker 1: using your job as like your side hustle. So like
Speaker 1: your nine to five is your side hustle, so that
Speaker 1: is what is supporting your you know how they say
Speaker 1: like nine to five and then you're five to ten,
Speaker 1: So five to ten being like a passion or what
Speaker 1: it is that you love. And it's like looking at
Speaker 1: your nine to five as a side hustle that is
Speaker 1: supporting that job, and it's teaching you lessons, and so
Speaker 1: the side hustle that could be the education you are
Speaker 1: picking up. So many different things from that job that
Speaker 1: you don't realize that will be supporting you in the
Speaker 1: long term. And I also think there's this big like
Speaker 1: stigma that people need to know what their passion is.
Speaker 1: It's like, if you're listening to this and like you
Speaker 1: are working a job that you don't love, but you
Speaker 1: also don't know what the job will be that you
Speaker 1: will love, that's okay too. Like I own an active
Speaker 1: web brand, and I didn't necessarily grow up loving Acts
Speaker 1: of War, like I ended up like falling into it
Speaker 1: without looking. And I think when you're open to opportunity
Speaker 1: and you're just like genuinely like attracting things and you're
Speaker 1: in that mindset where like things will work out, you
Speaker 1: just have to be open to it, I think that's
Speaker 1: when like these opportunities start presenting themselves. So if you
Speaker 1: are feeling like you really don't know what is next
Speaker 1: or like what your passion is, like, that's cool. It's fine.
Speaker 1: Live life, enjoy life, find out what you love, and
Speaker 1: just be open to opportunities.
Speaker 2: Oh, I love that so much. When I was sort
Speaker 2: of in that same space just before we had our
Speaker 2: first business idea, and I wasn't loving what I was doing.
Speaker 2: My mom said to me, if you don't know what
Speaker 2: you want to do, you still have to do something,
Speaker 2: Like the time is going to pass anyway, so you
Speaker 2: might as well enjoy the ride, Like if you're always
Speaker 2: waiting for this passion to kind of drop out of
Speaker 2: the universe into your lap, like, that's not how it happens.
Speaker 2: It's by trying things, by meeting people, by having conversations,
Speaker 2: and like, yeah, like I said before, no job is
Speaker 2: ever a waste if you're getting closer and closer in
Speaker 2: towards a thing that you love. And part of that
Speaker 2: is finding out that you don't like something. I think
Speaker 2: is just as important as finding out what you do like,
Speaker 2: because that's also a piece of the puzzle. It's like
Speaker 2: seizing the Ya to me, is a big jigsaw puzzle,
Speaker 2: and each experience, you're either getting new pieces that you
Speaker 2: didn't know about or you're getting rid of old pieces
Speaker 2: that don't serve you anymore. And it's okay that that's
Speaker 2: evolving the whole time. It's not meant to be this
Speaker 2: one jigsaw puzzle and it stays like that forever. So
Speaker 2: now that we get to the Stacks chapter, what I
Speaker 2: also love is that at the beginning. Like now we
Speaker 2: look at your jigsaw puzzle and it's enormously like wildly
Speaker 2: successful online, multimillion dollar business. You're opening new retail stores.
Speaker 2: In real life you've got second left, like you're in
Speaker 2: Paris doing amazing things. But again, I think people forget
Speaker 2: that you guys started in like storerooms where you couldn't
Speaker 2: afford electricity. And I was reading that Don would pack
Speaker 2: pick and pack orders with a torch on his head
Speaker 2: because you couldn't afford the light to be on like that.
Speaker 2: You know, it's cliche that started a garage, but it's
Speaker 2: cliche because that's how things grow. They grow from humble beginning.
Speaker 2: So talk us through the bit that wasn't as easy
Speaker 2: and wasn't as glamorous, and that was just like that
Speaker 2: messy grind at the beginning.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, So when I met Don, he had Stacks
Speaker 1: already and it started as a supplement store, and that's
Speaker 1: why he was still working in Stucks. He wasn't owning
Speaker 1: this store that he was working at, but he had
Speaker 1: worked for a store previously called Muscle Stacks, so he
Speaker 1: owned muscle Stack. Sorry, And then the supplement side of
Speaker 1: things didn't go too well, and he ended up just
Speaker 1: losing the muscle. I say, but the door's like, hey, no,
Speaker 1: I still have muscle. No, no, no. He took the
Speaker 1: word muscle away and then he just had stacks. So
Speaker 1: he started stacks and he was selling like a few
Speaker 1: hoodies here and there. And I always thought, like, I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, cool, Like I will be the sugar
Speaker 1: mama in my recruitment corporate job, and like you can
Speaker 1: sell your like it's fine, babe, like whatever, had no
Speaker 1: interest in it. Cute kid, Yeah, I was like, cute,
Speaker 1: don't worry, I'll meet the money. It's fine. That's so
Speaker 1: when I met him, he had started that, and then
Speaker 1: he was just doing that from his mum's spare room,
Speaker 1: and we ended up dating, and then I started being
Speaker 1: opinion needed about the things that he was doing and
Speaker 1: the products that he was releasing. Or I would be
Speaker 1: helping out the photoshoots and he would be getting me
Speaker 1: to bodel some of the products. And then I started, like,
Speaker 1: like I said, having an opinion on things. So we
Speaker 1: ended up moving in together and his little spare room
Speaker 1: I was going to say warehouse, but absolutely wasn't. His
Speaker 1: little spare room went to my dad's spare room. We
Speaker 1: lived with my dad and then we had like the
Speaker 1: spare room. Then we eventually moved out and we pretty
Speaker 1: much just like lived and breathed in this warehouse space.
Speaker 1: We were in an apartment, but it was majority of
Speaker 1: it was just taken up by boxes and it was
Speaker 1: just like stax boxes, So that was everywhere. And that
Speaker 1: was when I was still working in recruitment. And then
Speaker 1: it got to a point where we had like no
Speaker 1: room to eat dinner because that was just like boxes everywhere.
Speaker 1: And we were pickpacking twenty four to seven. And then
Speaker 1: that's when he got this storage unit. We had electricity
Speaker 1: in Perth, but but not Sydney. Yes see he's very expensive.
Speaker 1: So we moved across the Sydney with a couple of
Speaker 1: our boxes and like we had the smallest storage, you know,
Speaker 1: the smallest department in Perth, Like there wasn't a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff. Like, we moved across the Sydney and I
Speaker 1: was still working in recruitment. That's how we were able
Speaker 1: to afford to move to Sydney's I got a transfer
Speaker 1: with my work, moved across the Sydney and I was
Speaker 1: still working full time. And then Don was doing full
Speaker 1: time stacks and in this storage unit. There was no
Speaker 1: electricity in the storage unit. So yeah, he used to
Speaker 1: wear like one of those like the miners hats with
Speaker 1: the light on them, and that's how he packed the orders.
Speaker 1: And there was no reception either, so he'd have to
Speaker 1: like pack one order and then go outside lift his
Speaker 1: phone up like you know, like when people stand on
Speaker 1: mountains so you get electricity. That's what a school camp.
Speaker 2: Whatever.
Speaker 1: Do you think they ever ran out of service? Though?
Speaker 1: Those phones can do it all.
Speaker 2: I don't know, they're bricks. I'm like, now, you could
Speaker 2: just like go to space and just hold you knock
Speaker 2: here out and then still get signal.
Speaker 1: Literally, you still wouldn't have had to charge it since
Speaker 1: like you ready, yeah.
Speaker 2: I know, I still it'd still work if I found
Speaker 2: it now and turned it on totally totally.
Speaker 1: So he would go there and like lift his phone
Speaker 1: up and get the next order and then go back in.
Speaker 1: So like that was absolutely not glamorous. I never saw
Speaker 1: that because he was too embarrassed that that was where
Speaker 1: like our you know, the room was, so I never
Speaker 1: saw him do it. He sent me selfies, but I
Speaker 1: never actually went into that one and then yeah, I
Speaker 1: was still working full time and we eventually then got
Speaker 1: into a warehouse and I remember you could just fit
Speaker 1: a car in the warehouse and like this, I was
Speaker 1: like I lost my mind, Like I couldn't believe us
Speaker 1: any photos to everyone I knew about it, And yeah,
Speaker 1: then COVID happened, so those dreams were put on hold
Speaker 1: for a little while, and it was just like the
Speaker 1: two of us, like we had to I did the modeling,
Speaker 1: he did the photo shoots, and yeah, it was actually
Speaker 1: such a crazy time to think. The way I say
Speaker 1: it sounds so casual, but I mean this was like
Speaker 1: many many years in the lead up. And then the
Speaker 1: only way we were able to move across to Sydney,
Speaker 1: which has a lot more opportunity than per had, was
Speaker 1: because I was still working full time, so I was
Speaker 1: still having to support Don having to turn up every
Speaker 1: day for this job which I had to keep because
Speaker 1: that was our source of income, but knowing that it
Speaker 1: wasn't what I wanted to do long term. So it
Speaker 1: was definitely a journey. But to think we went from
Speaker 1: like his mum's spare room to the warehouse space we're
Speaker 1: here in Sydney now, it blows my mind.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I love it and I love reading
Speaker 2: like that's the bit that makes me the most excited
Speaker 2: is reading about those early days when I think about
Speaker 2: you two kind of in the trenches, having no idea
Speaker 2: where it could end up. That's what makes me excited
Speaker 2: because people hearing about that makes them believe that they
Speaker 2: could get to where you are now. Like I feel
Speaker 2: like now is amazing and it's so it's so wonderful
Speaker 2: to talk about that. But for someone who's like earlier
Speaker 2: in their journey, it's so hard for them to conceive
Speaker 2: that they could end up where you are. But reminding
Speaker 2: everyone that you did start with like a miner's hat,
Speaker 2: that Don was so embarrassed off that he wouldn't actually
Speaker 2: let you do the work with him, that's so cute,
Speaker 2: it's so sweet. Yeah, And I think it's probably easy
Speaker 2: for you to forget as well, that that's kind of
Speaker 2: where you began, and that you began without finishing school,
Speaker 2: without either of you having like proper business training, that
Speaker 2: neither of you had a family member who is in
Speaker 2: manufacturing or that had any kind of in with active
Speaker 2: way either. Do you think that that was maybe the
Speaker 2: naivety kind of helps you. Like I said, think sometimes
Speaker 2: if you don't know better, it's actually good for you.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, one hundred percent. Like if I knew
Speaker 1: all the problems that we'd have to solve, like I
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't do it because it's just it's a bit
Speaker 1: scary to look at it like that. One let's start,
Speaker 1: No one would do anything if you knew what was
Speaker 1: coming up, You just wouldn't do it. Because the thing is,
Speaker 1: I think of life like a video game, right, and
Speaker 1: I think that when you're on level one, it's really
Speaker 1: really hard for you, and you are on level one,
Speaker 1: you have to beat the baddy at the end of
Speaker 1: the level to get to level two, and once you
Speaker 1: beat the baddy or beat the challenge, you're on to
Speaker 1: level two. And when you're onto level two, it's also
Speaker 1: really really hard, and then you have to beat the
Speaker 1: baddie at the end to level two. It's harder than
Speaker 1: it was at level one. But imagine if you saw
Speaker 1: and level one all of the challenges that you have
Speaker 1: up and coming, because I don't think the challenges ever end, right,
Speaker 1: Like you're like, yeah, sure, I like level ten is
Speaker 1: so much harder than level one, but it still feels
Speaker 1: the same. Oh yes, you still have to beat the baddie,
Speaker 1: right Like, it doesn't get easier, it's just a different challenge,
Speaker 1: and you're more equipped because of what you did in
Speaker 1: the lower levels. So I think if you were like
Speaker 1: to be given like a crystal ball and see all
Speaker 1: the things that you have to it would be too
Speaker 1: much like naivety. Is like is bliss in that sense
Speaker 1: because even like Don and I are first generation entrepreneurs, right,
Speaker 1: like neither of our families like have like done anything
Speaker 1: like this before, So we're just winging it. We're still
Speaker 1: beinging it now, and I think that's like one of
Speaker 1: the best We don't have mentorships or we don't have
Speaker 1: mentors or anything like this, so I think that it's
Speaker 1: definitely meant that we've learned a lot of lessons that
Speaker 1: probably could have been avoided, but we had to go
Speaker 1: through the trenches in order to learn the lessons properly.
Speaker 1: I think sometimes if you're just told what to do
Speaker 1: all the time, you're not really equipped to beat the
Speaker 1: baddy on the next level when you're left by yourself.
Speaker 1: And that's something that Don and I are really great
Speaker 1: for us that like we've learned how to level up
Speaker 1: on every single level, just the two of us every time.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, no, I think if I knew what
Speaker 1: was coming, it's been amazing. But if I knew what
Speaker 1: I had to go through, you Dunny, I'm just being recruitment,
Speaker 1: like it's fine.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I love that so much. I'm so
Speaker 2: glad that you were the first guest back because you're
Speaker 2: pretty much all the things that are in my brain
Speaker 2: that I've been saying on the show for so long.
Speaker 2: You're just saying them in a more eloquent, articulate way
Speaker 2: and hammering it home because I always I say that too.
Speaker 2: I feel like you think that. So I left law
Speaker 2: and went into business, and I felt that that was
Speaker 2: like that that was one level. It was like I
Speaker 2: went from A to B. I took a leap the end,
Speaker 2: Like that's the end of getting out of the comfort zone.
Speaker 2: I'm set for life. I'll never have another version of me.
Speaker 2: Tick found my passion. And then I realized the video
Speaker 2: game thing, and I kind of refer it to it
Speaker 2: as a staircase, but video games with a baddie is
Speaker 2: way more fun. I'm totally using that for the rest
Speaker 2: of ever, yes, but I always say, like, you don't
Speaker 2: have to see the whole staircase to take the next step.
Speaker 2: In fact, you're not supposed to see staircase like step ten.
Speaker 2: You're meant to start at one and then do two,
Speaker 2: and then do three and again. If I'd seen step ten,
Speaker 2: never would have left my job for step ten, because
Speaker 2: holy shit, that looks awful, like amazing, but way too
Speaker 2: hard and if you don't do all the tiny little
Speaker 2: steps along the way, you'd never get to ten. So
Speaker 2: the video game thing is amazing.
Speaker 1: The game doesn't end right, yeah, it.
Speaker 2: Just goes forever.
Speaker 1: It goes forever. But it's fun. It's like we love
Speaker 1: video games. It's like the perfect I think we're gamers.
Speaker 1: We're gamers. Everyone is. I love I love just Sims.
Speaker 1: It's so funny, Like Don and I always think as well,
Speaker 1: when there's so much going on, like we've got a
Speaker 1: million problems to solve, it feels like everything's against us.
Speaker 1: We always say it's because we're at the end of
Speaker 1: our level. Like all the baddies that you are, they're
Speaker 1: all like, these are all the things, and proof isn't
Speaker 1: the pudding Because if you're listening to this and you
Speaker 1: feel like everything is against you right now, because sometimes
Speaker 1: it does get like that. It just means that you're
Speaker 1: at the end of your level and you're about to
Speaker 1: level up and DoD and I I think we're probably
Speaker 1: still going through it now. The last couple of days.
Speaker 1: It's been hard for us, but it just means because
Speaker 1: it's happened so many times before, and it will continuously
Speaker 1: happen for the rest of our I was gonna say careers,
Speaker 1: but the rest of our lives, they'll be like, you know,
Speaker 1: when it rains at pause, but when it's pouring, it
Speaker 1: means that the rain will stop and then there's sunshine,
Speaker 1: and then you're on the next level. And the next
Speaker 1: level is really fine at the start, and then you
Speaker 1: get really good at the level, and then it starts
Speaker 1: to rain again. But there'll always be another level, like
Speaker 1: you'll always get through it. So I know, like we
Speaker 1: kind of again I'm like spinning it into positivity, but
Speaker 1: we kind of thrive in this kind of chaos as well,
Speaker 1: because we're like, it's okay, we've gotten through something similar before,
Speaker 1: we can do it again.
Speaker 2: I think you've just genuinely changed so many people's lives
Speaker 2: with the video game analogy, because once you can conceive
Speaker 2: of what's happening to you, it's not nearly as hard
Speaker 2: to deal with. Like, I think that's the key to
Speaker 2: having a positive mindset is being able to see it
Speaker 2: in the broader Like if you just focused on what
Speaker 2: you're feeling right now, which is shit, chaos or full
Speaker 2: tied exhausted failure, you know, you wouldn't be able to
Speaker 2: see that in the broader scheme of things. It's cause
Speaker 2: you're at the end. It's because all the baddies are
Speaker 2: hitting you just as you're about to step up to
Speaker 2: the next level. So I think that's so that's just
Speaker 2: the best analogy I've ever heard for that ongoing like
Speaker 2: the comfort zone catching up with you and you do
Speaker 2: you get to this complacent bit where it's all chill,
Speaker 2: and that's usually when I'm like, wait, oh my god,
Speaker 2: something's about to happen, Like this can't last too long
Speaker 2: because it's just too good to be true. Along the way,
Speaker 2: for you, guys, what would you say have been the
Speaker 2: biggest baddies? So what have been the things that really
Speaker 2: particularly working as a couple, Because it's you fell in
Speaker 2: love at the same time as you went into business
Speaker 2: and then you got married in COVID, So there's always
Speaker 2: been this like positivity but like adversity at the same time,
Speaker 2: and going into each other's professional arenas is a huge
Speaker 2: challenge as well, when the dynamics are you out earning
Speaker 2: him at the start and then it being his business
Speaker 2: to begin with, and you're kind of coming into his space,
Speaker 2: Like how did you guys navigate the emotional dynamics?
Speaker 1: John and I were talking about this the other day. Actually,
Speaker 1: we were saying, like money has never been an issue
Speaker 1: for us, Like it was never weird that I was
Speaker 1: out earning him at the start, or that it was
Speaker 1: his business or that he predominantly like he's the CEO,
Speaker 1: and I'm fine with that, Like I don't know. We
Speaker 1: have a really fantastic relationship and a fantastic balance. We
Speaker 1: also have different, very different personalities and very different roles
Speaker 1: within the business. So I do a lot of the
Speaker 1: front facing stuff. I do all of the pr I
Speaker 1: do the socials, I do this kind of stuff, and
Speaker 1: Don like does the design work. He does the hiring.
Speaker 1: Like it's funny he does like the recruitment side of things,
Speaker 1: Like I don't manage any of the start.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm out. I'm out, Like I like to see
Speaker 1: everyone's big sister, right, Like I'm the personality higher. That's
Speaker 1: what I say.
Speaker 2: She's for culture.
Speaker 1: Literally, I don't want to have to do that. And
Speaker 1: so I'm lucky that Don thrives at that. Like we
Speaker 1: have a really great balance of what we do and
Speaker 1: don't like, and they seem to like be the opposites,
Speaker 1: which is amazing. Yeah, And in terms of like the
Speaker 1: baddies between Don and I are like navigating the relationship,
Speaker 1: I think we're very lucky that we have the same goal.
Speaker 1: So like, even if we are having a disagreement on something,
Speaker 1: we know that we're passionate about it because we have
Speaker 1: the same goal and the same like we want the
Speaker 1: business to do well. We want it to be a
Speaker 1: good business decision. We definitely bicker and we'll fight about things,
Speaker 1: but we always know that we have the same goal
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, and we just keep
Speaker 1: working until we come to a solution for it. And
Speaker 1: we're very much like if he is super passionate and
Speaker 1: he just knows this will work, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but it's not like my if it's
Speaker 1: his passion, will do it. If it's my passion, we'll
Speaker 1: do it. Do you know what I mean? Like, if
Speaker 1: someone really wants to fight for it and believes in it,
Speaker 1: then we have each other's back. I'm your number one
Speaker 1: supporter and vice versa. So I don't think that's like
Speaker 1: that for everyone, Like I don't think everyone should go
Speaker 1: into business with their husbands like, but sometimes it just works. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sometimes it just works, and we are very lucky that
Speaker 1: it does for us. Then we just have that level
Speaker 1: of respect and faith and trust in each other and
Speaker 1: our decisions that we will always just do what is
Speaker 1: best for us and what is best for the business.
Speaker 2: I love that you guys can maintain that perspective because
Speaker 2: there's also so much ego I think tied up in
Speaker 2: your livelihood, like your productivity, and for a lot of people,
Speaker 2: there is a lot of traditional gender roles and money
Speaker 2: does play a really big role. And it's amazing that
Speaker 2: from the beginning it wasn't sort of a big obstacle
Speaker 2: for you guys, and it shows. I think it shows
Speaker 2: that you guys are such a strong team, Like you're
Speaker 2: in it together as a couple that works together, but
Speaker 2: also as a couple like your personal life as well,
Speaker 2: that you've kind of, yeah, just got so much respect
Speaker 2: for each other and each other's different skill sets when
Speaker 2: you do have like conflict resolution. Do you guys have
Speaker 2: a take on the split between your work life and
Speaker 2: personal life? Like some people even work life balance. Some
Speaker 2: people don't think that's a thing. It's all just one
Speaker 2: big beautiful mess. How do you guys treat that? When
Speaker 2: you're traveling all the time and often your holidays are
Speaker 2: work holidays, Like you're in power for work, Like, how
Speaker 2: do you find time for just the relationship or is
Speaker 2: it all one?
Speaker 1: I think it's a beautiful mess. I would say, like
Speaker 1: there's no like you can't just like switch off from work.
Speaker 1: But like I'm very lucky because I love my work,
Speaker 1: so I don't necessarily want to be switching off. And like, sure,
Speaker 1: we'll be in Paris for like and have to do work,
Speaker 1: but we're in Paris, Like it's.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like I'm like, so you wake up in the mornings
Speaker 1: like when we travel, and we'll work for like the
Speaker 1: first like four or five hours in bed, But like
Speaker 1: I mean that's Okay, I'm having a croissant, and I'm like, like,
Speaker 1: I've never put on an out of office and I've
Speaker 1: never we've never been able to completely switch off, like well,
Speaker 1: we never have an off day. But like there's so
Speaker 1: many things that I'm so grateful for the fact that,
Speaker 1: like you know, for example, I'm in bed eating a
Speaker 1: croissant and drinking a coffee and doing my emails. I mean,
Speaker 1: things could be worse. So it's like there's like sacrifices
Speaker 1: that you have to take, Like it's give and take, right,
Speaker 1: But when it comes to like work life balance, I
Speaker 1: don't think I mean Don and I aren't like discussing
Speaker 1: accounts at like ten pm or we're not like we
Speaker 1: definitely know the boundaries. So I think we do have
Speaker 1: a work life balance. Now. At the start, we probably
Speaker 1: didn't because it was like go go go twenty four
Speaker 1: to seven. Whereas now, yeah, I would say we do
Speaker 1: have a work life balance without trying. Like we don't
Speaker 1: like switch off at a particular time. It's just kind
Speaker 1: of naturally gone that way. But in saying that, sometimes
Speaker 1: I like watch True Housewives of Beverly Hills and they're
Speaker 1: wearing stacks and I'm like, this is work, Okay, now,
Speaker 1: well okay cool, do you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 1: that's fun. Like there's definitely there's shitty times at work
Speaker 1: that I don't want to bring home, but sometimes you
Speaker 1: just have to. Like sometimes you don't get that balance,
Speaker 1: but you do get a lot of ups and downs always.
Speaker 2: I think it's like give and take. Totally, yeah, totally.
Speaker 2: I feel like, honestly, we spent the biggest part of
Speaker 2: most episodes on the batties, on the negatives, on the challenges,
Speaker 2: and you're like the most well adjusted person I've ever met,
Speaker 2: And I think it does come down to that seeing
Speaker 2: the positives, Like there is always a positive even in
Speaker 2: the shittest times. There's like a silver lining that you
Speaker 2: can look for of what you learned for them next chapter,
Speaker 2: and it serves you really well. It means that you
Speaker 2: have a beautiful life because every even the shit bits,
Speaker 2: you can kind of see in perspective.
Speaker 1: I think you're able to make much clearer decisions as well,
Speaker 1: Like when you're not like so emotional about things, I
Speaker 1: think that's so important is just being able to take
Speaker 1: emotions out of situations. Look at them, they are what
Speaker 1: they are let's train make the best out of it,
Speaker 1: or let's work out how we will go forward.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. So when it comes to Stax
Speaker 2: and Second Left, there are I have so many questions
Speaker 2: for you, Like I could literally speak in five hours,
Speaker 2: but I know there's a lot of podcasts and materials
Speaker 2: that have gone through the actual business mechanics, so I
Speaker 2: don't want to spend too much time on that and
Speaker 2: spend more about them behind the scenes. But just for
Speaker 2: anyone the one or two people living under a rock
Speaker 2: who don't already know about Stacks and Second Left, it's
Speaker 2: amazing that you guys entered a market, went through COVID,
Speaker 2: didn't have a foot in the door, and in a
Speaker 2: very like otherwise quite saturated market, which is usually what
Speaker 2: people say is like a big no no as a startup, like,
Speaker 2: don't go into something where there's eighty five urs people
Speaker 2: already there. You've still managed to cut through and make
Speaker 2: huge amount of noise when there's already huge players in
Speaker 2: the game that had bigger resources, more experience boards and whatever.
Speaker 2: If you're giving someone like a one liner who'd never
Speaker 2: heard of Stax, what makes you guys different and special?
Speaker 2: What do you think has been the key to the
Speaker 2: global success. Like literally Real Housewives, you watch it, your
Speaker 2: product is on them, that is insane. And then second
Speaker 2: left as the little sister. How would you describe that
Speaker 2: to someone who had no idea?
Speaker 1: So Stacks so we make the best black tights. That's
Speaker 1: my one liner. I would say we make the best
Speaker 1: active way in Australia. And we are the most size
Speaker 1: inclusive brand as well, so we're the first active web
Speaker 1: brand to go for twenty sizes, so it's extra extra
Speaker 1: small to size for itself which is a size Australian
Speaker 1: four to an Australian twenty four. So we are inclusive.
Speaker 1: We make a fantastic product. Don and I are very
Speaker 1: hands on with the business. We believe in our product
Speaker 1: and yeah it's been like almost ten years now of
Speaker 1: Stacks and we're so proud of it and we truly
Speaker 1: believe we have the best product out there. So our
Speaker 1: nandex range is amazing. We've got our premium seamless. We
Speaker 1: also do a lot of like sweats and tracksuits and
Speaker 1: things like that. What you're wearing now, Yeah, we have
Speaker 1: the best product. That's what I think is the standout
Speaker 1: key and the difference. And then Second Left is our
Speaker 1: global brand, So we want to be able to expand
Speaker 1: our ranges, expand you know, go into fashion, go into
Speaker 1: different things as opposed to just gymwear and active wear,
Speaker 1: which is what STACKS is. So Second Left is like
Speaker 1: our little baby at the moment. It's really exciting because
Speaker 1: it's definitely like small fish, big pond situation, right like,
Speaker 1: or we get to put all of the things that
Speaker 1: we've learned with STACKS into play with Second Left and
Speaker 1: just like do it a little bit differently. So second
Speaker 1: Left means when everyone tells you to go right or
Speaker 1: to go one way, you go left, but you take
Speaker 1: the second left and you're just doing things the way
Speaker 1: that you want to do it, dancing to the beat
Speaker 1: of your own drum kind of thing, which is something
Speaker 1: Don and I am very passionate about. So that's the
Speaker 1: global brand. STAS is the Australian homegrown best active weares Australia.
Speaker 1: So that's the difference between the two.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I love that. Do you look back
Speaker 2: and think, like, holy shit, in a decade, look what
Speaker 2: you've done, Like, do you ever stop and celebrate those
Speaker 2: huge milestones?
Speaker 1: It's so crazy like, I wish we did it more.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's hard, Like sometimes you look back and it's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I feel disconnected from it, but
Speaker 1: because there's like so much going on all the time,
Speaker 1: and I'm so like, I think everything's like an analogy, right,
Speaker 1: like a bicycle. So if you're like, you can't really
Speaker 1: stop riding the bicycle because then you'll fall off, Like
Speaker 1: you have to keep heading, and so sometimes I feel
Speaker 1: like you just keep padling and you don't really look back,
Speaker 1: and then when you do look back, I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: like it is crazy, but I'm not gonna lie. I
Speaker 1: do sometimes feel a little bit disconnected to the journey
Speaker 1: because there's always so much going on. Like I wish
Speaker 1: I was better at reflecting and being like, holy shit,
Speaker 1: we did so much about I'm very like in the
Speaker 1: moment kind of girl, which definitely serves its purpose, But
Speaker 1: that is something I wish I was better at as well.
Speaker 1: Was was just like reflecting and celebrating.
Speaker 2: I think that's quite a common reflection of business people,
Speaker 2: and it's just because you're in it all the time
Speaker 2: in the trenches, and if you did stop and celebrate,
Speaker 2: you probably lose the momentum that you want to have
Speaker 2: to improve on the next iteration of who you are,
Speaker 2: and like, as you said, the next video game level
Speaker 2: has started. It's not going to wait for you to
Speaker 2: have a party at the end. But still, like if
Speaker 2: you did look back, are there any moments that really
Speaker 2: stand out to you? Like the Perth couple who started
Speaker 2: in the warehouse with a like minus torch on your head?
Speaker 2: Are there moments where you stop and you think, holy shit,
Speaker 2: like seeing it on TV placed on like the biggest
Speaker 2: celebrities in the world, Like what are some of the
Speaker 2: coolest things that have happened that stand out to you?
Speaker 2: And then what are some of the shittest moments that
Speaker 2: you've had as well?
Speaker 1: You know, the coolest things are still going to be
Speaker 1: the spottos every day, like Don and I. I feel
Speaker 1: like it sounds cliche, but Don and I will be
Speaker 1: like walking down the street and we'll like, we like
Speaker 1: try and play cool just in case, like the people
Speaker 1: wearing it don't know who we are and don't like
Speaker 1: want anything. Who are these weirdos like staring at me
Speaker 1: or getting.
Speaker 2: Excited staring at my butt?
Speaker 1: Actually, oh my god, Don used to do that. He
Speaker 1: used to be like nice tights or like the baby.
Speaker 1: You can't say that to the babe, leave that to me.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's not say anything unless you're providing context. That's
Speaker 2: not going to come across the way that you mean.
Speaker 1: So like we're like like tap each other or like
Speaker 1: we get like so giddy and excited. So to be honest,
Speaker 1: that is like, that's my favorite thing is just like
Speaker 1: seeing it like in the wild, seeing people out on
Speaker 1: the street wearing our stuff and loving our stuff and
Speaker 1: just like raving about the product. That's my favorite. Like
Speaker 1: the celebrity placements are so incredible they pinch me moments,
Speaker 1: but my absolute fate is literally just like spotting it
Speaker 1: in the wild. And then my least favorite bits are
Speaker 1: just having to like make all these grown up decisions
Speaker 1: that no one really tells you you have to make.
Speaker 1: And like, for example, when COVID hit, no one had
Speaker 1: ever been through something like that before, Like no one
Speaker 1: knew what was going on. And I remember we were
Speaker 1: doing premium scen unless the second version two, like the
Speaker 1: second edition of it, and we had empty out our
Speaker 1: bank accounts and we put all of our money towards
Speaker 1: this collection. And the collection was on a ship and
Speaker 1: it was on its way over to Australia and then
Speaker 1: the world run into lockdown.
Speaker 2: I read about this and you lost the container.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had no communication with anyone, and that was
Speaker 1: all about money ownership and like it was lockdown. Don
Speaker 1: and I are in this empty warehouse. This is the
Speaker 1: warehouse where you could put the car in. Don and
Speaker 1: I are in this empty house, like sitting on.
Speaker 2: The floor, empty car space.
Speaker 1: Literally we're like, what the fuck do we do? We
Speaker 1: have no idea where any of our like, how do
Speaker 1: we know what happened next? Because you don't know what
Speaker 1: happened to next. No one knew what was going to
Speaker 1: happen next, and that was so stressful, Like just to
Speaker 1: re emphasize, we put in all of our money into
Speaker 1: this hoping this contained, like expecting the container to arrive
Speaker 1: like normal. Didn't arrive. We couldn't do the photo shoots
Speaker 1: because the world had gone into lockdown. So that's when
Speaker 1: John ended up. Don's like a self trained, self taught photographer,
Speaker 1: so he took photos of me in a warehouse and
Speaker 1: I'm not modeled by any chance, but we made this work.
Speaker 1: We posted the picks and thankfully the container did end
Speaker 1: up arriving and we sold out of the whole collection
Speaker 1: in sixty seconds, and it blew a mind the moment
Speaker 1: like thank god, like thank god everything happened the way
Speaker 1: that it did. But that was petrifying. And then it
Speaker 1: was like a huge range of emotions, right, we didn't
Speaker 1: know what the hell was going on, and then next
Speaker 1: minute to sell out and we were like, because you
Speaker 1: don't know what people are going to be doing during
Speaker 1: lockdown either, like everyone was online.
Speaker 2: Thank god, we're wearing leggings.
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I had no idea, so like to
Speaker 1: go from one extreme to another, that was like absolute madness.
Speaker 1: And then it's still just selling out and it's still
Speaker 1: just Don and I sitting in this empty warehouse. We're like, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: Like cool, guys, it's crazy, Like it's crazy to think
Speaker 1: like something like that can happen, like a sellout or
Speaker 1: like all this productor and then it's still just like
Speaker 1: little Don and I behind the scenes in like an
Speaker 1: empty room. We're like, okay, cool, Like I guess we
Speaker 1: should pack some orders. Like it's so funny. I mean
Speaker 1: like if it gets like this whole big thing and
Speaker 1: then you're like, oh, it's just two little humans, like
Speaker 1: trying their best behind the scenes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like when you say the team at this
Speaker 2: business is so excited to bah blah blah, and when
Speaker 2: we were saying that, it was like two of us
Speaker 2: in our undies, like packing matcha into bags, like breaking bad. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's so funny that you kind of have to fake
Speaker 2: it to your make it. But that's why I love
Speaker 2: going through this stuff because before social media, you couldn't
Speaker 2: see the behind the scenes of a business. You didn't
Speaker 2: know that it was just two people sharing that. You know,
Speaker 2: it can look really big on the outside, but it
Speaker 2: doesn't always start that way. You don't always have a warehouse.
Speaker 2: And if anyone is listening and is really interested in
Speaker 2: some of the business mechanics of the sellouts, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of articles out there and I had so much
Speaker 2: fun last night reading about how you guys do pre
Speaker 2: launch and how you sold like one jillion units off
Speaker 2: one sms, like those kind of strategies. If you guys
Speaker 2: want more business focus stuff, there's a lot of material
Speaker 2: out there, and you guys are absolute geniuses with the
Speaker 2: way that you market. It's insane, but one of the
Speaker 2: awesome things that has come out of this as well
Speaker 2: is that Matilda Murray has kind of become an arm
Speaker 2: of the business as well, because we are in an
Speaker 2: age where the story behind and the person kind of
Speaker 2: brand can also be part of the business. And I
Speaker 2: love when you do your Q and a's because some
Speaker 2: of the questions that come out, it's just like people
Speaker 2: are so interested in every single thing that you do.
Speaker 2: Like it's obviously you get the normal ones like where
Speaker 2: did you get that singlet? Or where did you get
Speaker 2: those earrings or whatever, but then there's like what fold
Speaker 2: of a crosshant do you like? Or like there's very
Speaker 2: very specific what is Matilda Murray doing in her life
Speaker 2: kind of questions and all just I don't think that like,
Speaker 2: I'm sure there have been moments where some of them
Speaker 2: are weird and creepy, but most of them come across
Speaker 2: just like people are so interested in you. They're so
Speaker 2: interested in who you are outside of the business, and
Speaker 2: that's what I'd love to spend the rest of the
Speaker 2: episode on. So one of the things that I learned
Speaker 2: is that you're severely allergic to bananas. What else is
Speaker 2: quirky and interesting about you that people ask about or
Speaker 2: that people don't ask about like, I'm sure your identity
Speaker 2: doesn't get separated from stacks as much in real life,
Speaker 2: but if you could do it here artificially, like who
Speaker 2: are you when you're not in the business?
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I'm really good at song lyrics, very good.
Speaker 1: I can probably tell you all the lyrics back. Like
Speaker 1: I just I am very good at song lyrics. I'm
Speaker 1: very good at picking up typos. Like it's actually so crazy,
Speaker 1: it's I wish that I had that skill like that,
Speaker 1: How good I am at that was like related to
Speaker 1: something else because you can put like a whole sign
Speaker 1: in front of me typo like I know it immediately,
Speaker 1: like it throw me and my staff hate it because
Speaker 1: like I will pick up anything and everything and it
Speaker 1: kills me. Song lyrics, typos. What else can I do?
Speaker 1: I was going to say that my dog is my
Speaker 1: whole world, but you would already know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which I love, adorable.
Speaker 1: What else is there about me? Yeah? Severely allergic to bananas,
Speaker 1: which is actually heartbreaking. I got my allergy at eighteen,
Speaker 1: so I know what I'm missing out on.
Speaker 2: Oh so you know, oh god, yeah, so you would
Speaker 2: have had a banana since then?
Speaker 1: Like ever, I have like here and there, and then
Speaker 1: I've like ended up very sick. But yeah, it's actually crazy,
Speaker 1: So that's a hard rating. Yeah, it's a tough.
Speaker 2: I know, babe, You're just doing it so tough, I know.
Speaker 1: But it's so funny though on socials because sometimes I
Speaker 1: want to be like so polished and so like chic,
Speaker 1: and then other times I feel myself like waxing my
Speaker 1: nostrils and I'm like, I want to what the people
Speaker 1: are here for, like like I'm not scaring them away.
Speaker 2: I think that's why people do love you so much though,
Speaker 2: because you do see this super polish like, like you said,
Speaker 2: doing emails, having a cross on in bed in Paris
Speaker 2: at a hotel, showcasing your own brand, which is super
Speaker 2: glam and it is actually part of your life so
Speaker 2: it's not not reality. But then at the same time
Speaker 2: you're like, guys, I had to literally get rid of
Speaker 2: these nostril hairs before I'd made this appearance. Like I
Speaker 2: think that's what they come for, the fact that you
Speaker 2: do share and you don't expect it either, Like I
Speaker 2: feel like you know a lot of mum accounts, you
Speaker 2: kind of expect a little bit more of the like
Speaker 2: milk everywhere, mess of child, you know, having children around
Speaker 2: or whatever. But at this stage in your life where
Speaker 2: you do have such polished clam moments, you don't necessarily
Speaker 2: think that you would feel comfortable enough to show the
Speaker 2: messy bits, but you always do and it's so endearing.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Okay, cool, I'll continue to write my honest
Speaker 1: with that camera.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like my weds, I always post my bloopers. It's
Speaker 2: like if I post a really polish, pretty photo in
Speaker 2: a nice outfit, I have to find the ugliest one
Speaker 2: in the thousand that we all take to get a
Speaker 2: nice photo and post it next to it because otherwise,
Speaker 2: like if you're not laughing at yourself, I feel like
Speaker 2: I'm taking myself too seriously. And that content does better
Speaker 2: than any other content, Like the nice polish stuff doesn't
Speaker 2: do well ondred percent.
Speaker 1: Because people want to see like reality. But I think
Speaker 1: as well they do want to see a bit of
Speaker 1: like a bit of the polish stuff.
Speaker 2: Yes I do. Yeah, So what are the questions? Like
Speaker 2: you do your Q and as quite often, what are
Speaker 2: the things that come up the most? Like what do
Speaker 2: people really want to know about your life that you
Speaker 2: might you know, not be sharing enough of that they
Speaker 2: want more of.
Speaker 1: Is it just your day to day Yeah, day to
Speaker 1: day stuff, work life balance. People want a lot of
Speaker 1: my day in the life content, which I try to
Speaker 1: do so badly, but then I end up just like
Speaker 1: in meetings, like back to back meetings. Today is a busy,
Speaker 1: busy day, and I mean six meetings or something today,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I can't film any of like I
Speaker 1: don't know what to film, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's boring.
Speaker 1: It is boring. But I would love to be able
Speaker 1: to share more of that kind of stuff, but sometimes
Speaker 1: I can't until it happens, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I'm big on the evil eye as well, Like I'm
Speaker 1: big on like not putting things out there. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: you guys have to be careful because I've told people
Speaker 1: things that have happened before they've happened, and then they
Speaker 1: haven't happened, and it's happened like recently, I've been an
Speaker 1: oversharer and then things have fallen through.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So you're like keep it guarded until it's
Speaker 2: locked in. Yeah, yeah, interesting, which is hard. Yeah. What
Speaker 2: about the fact that, like, do you find it surreal
Speaker 2: that you have kind of become like I know, it's
Speaker 2: a strange age where the traditional idea of a celebrity
Speaker 2: has changed so much, Like people are interested in you
Speaker 2: guys to the same extent as they would be to
Speaker 2: like a Hollywood celebrity, and that's unusual because it's never
Speaker 2: been like that before where you could start a business
Speaker 2: and then propel into this like whole fan base. Do
Speaker 2: you find it weird, Like do people come up to you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, people do come up to me. I absolutely love it.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love chatting to people. I love
Speaker 1: meeting new people. So yes, I'm all about it. I
Speaker 1: love it. It makes my day. Unless they're wearing another active
Speaker 1: web brand. Then that confuses.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like rude, don't have a change and come
Speaker 2: back and say, hell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll wait for you. No, I'm kidding. I'm pidding,
Speaker 1: But it's good. A lot of my followers as well
Speaker 1: have like kind of the same sense of humor as me,
Speaker 1: so they know that I'm joking if I said something
Speaker 1: like that, or it does blow my mind, especially with
Speaker 1: like the questions and stuff that I get when people
Speaker 1: want to be like so they want the details of
Speaker 1: my life, I'm like, really, do you care about that,
Speaker 1: like what Deodo and I use or I don't know,
Speaker 1: Like I'm trying to think of a funny question that
Speaker 1: I get. But like when they want like the ins
Speaker 1: and outs and all the specifics, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd love to share, like I'd love to chat so
Speaker 1: I can tell you anything you want. But yeah, it
Speaker 1: blows my mind that people are so like intrigued. But
Speaker 1: I love it and I'm so flattered by it, and yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so much fun. So always say hi if you
Speaker 1: see me public, no matter what brand you're wearing.
Speaker 2: What would you say if? Or what would don say? Actually,
Speaker 2: I feel like it's easy to answer from a partner's
Speaker 2: point of view. Are like your three strengths and then
Speaker 2: your three the pet peeves he would have about you
Speaker 2: that are annoying.
Speaker 1: Okay, one pet peeve is my positivity. I know that.
Speaker 2: I feel like that's such a strength though, although yeah,
Speaker 2: I get what you mean. Sometimes Nick's like it's not
Speaker 2: all fucking rainbows they're are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he just wants to have a bitch and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm not the person for it. Like I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm busy, Like my strength, I would say, can I
Speaker 1: say that positivity one as well, what positivity. I think
Speaker 1: I have a good sense of humor. I have a
Speaker 1: very clear mindset, like I'm not an overly emotional person,
Speaker 1: Like I'm very into stoicism as well, like being stoic
Speaker 1: and seeing things for what they are. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: my ability to like I don't really overreact to things.
Speaker 1: I think that's probably one of the good things. Three negatives. Okay, so.
Speaker 2: You know, just like weird things. Yeah, Like like one
Speaker 2: are the things that he'd be like, oh she snores or.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he tells me my snoral. Sometimes he does
Speaker 1: tell me I stonal. Sometimes I can pick up all
Speaker 1: of his typos, so that's a good one. He doesn't
Speaker 1: use spell check.
Speaker 2: If he pisses me off, oh I can't.
Speaker 1: Oh no, you should never talk to don agay. You
Speaker 1: won't understand anything that he's saying if you're testing no, no,
Speaker 1: no idea. And then I'm pretty messy. I leave my
Speaker 1: things around like I would come back and clean really,
Speaker 1: but he's a neat freak. Like he is so clean.
Speaker 1: He's like very Pinterest like you can't imagine like someone
Speaker 1: like a Pinterest board like his like area is set
Speaker 1: up and it looks like a Pinterest board, and like
Speaker 1: you open his bag and everything is so well organized
Speaker 1: and like every single thing is gorgeous in there, whereas
Speaker 1: I'm just like kind of like am I gonna rush?
Speaker 1: I'm a messy girl, Like everything is just like shoved in.
Speaker 1: I do go back every couple of days and tidy
Speaker 1: my space, naturally. My clothes are like just left on
Speaker 1: the floor after a shower and things like that.
Speaker 2: See, I feel like your shelf is always like so beautiful.
Speaker 2: But have you just organized some days.
Speaker 1: That I've cleaned, Yeah, okay, every couple of days and cleaning.
Speaker 2: Oh well, the very last question, which I forgot is
Speaker 2: part of the show until right now, because my brain
Speaker 2: is the fact that again, like I mentioned, it's really
Speaker 2: hard to separate our identities from our work, and sometimes
Speaker 2: you don't even want to, Like it doesn't need to
Speaker 2: be this artificial like work Matilda and play Matilda. But
Speaker 2: I think you're a better business owner or you're a
Speaker 2: better worker or whatever, you're a better athlete when you
Speaker 2: do something that's not your work or that's not your productivity,
Speaker 2: like when you switch your brain off and watch a
Speaker 2: shitty show or have a hobby that's you don't have
Speaker 2: to be really good at and it's not about success
Speaker 2: and goals and that's just a fun How do you unwind?
Speaker 2: Or if you have like ten minutes or half an
Speaker 2: hour an hour to spend that you're not allowed to
Speaker 2: spend on work, what would you do?
Speaker 1: I have to work out every single day, Like that
Speaker 1: is so important to me into my mindset, Like I'm
Speaker 1: a much better person when I've worked out. So definitely
Speaker 1: need to work out. I'm a big podcast listener and
Speaker 1: at the moment, I'm all about like I love Tony Robbins,
Speaker 1: I love ed My Lair, I love Mel Robins. Not
Speaker 1: related to Tony, I love a podcast like that. When
Speaker 1: it comes to switching off, donn and I watch Criminal
Speaker 1: Minds every single night. I watching Criminal mind Yes, do
Speaker 1: you watch Criminal Minds?
Speaker 2: Oh my god? So criminal Minds? Any Like all of
Speaker 2: the Law and Orders n cis, all of those shows
Speaker 2: are out like every night. At the moment, we're on
Speaker 2: like Chicago Med because I finished Chicago p D. No,
Speaker 2: I'm on Chicago Fire and fall asleep to them like
Speaker 2: everyone's like sleep hygiene, Tony screens off. I need to
Speaker 2: fall asleep to television. Yeah, to murder, yeah, to like
Speaker 2: really messed up stuff.
Speaker 1: Like people try and read into it, and I'm like, don't,
Speaker 1: don't analyze, and oh my gosh, because I have an
Speaker 1: aora ring, right, so like I can track from all
Speaker 1: that stress. So I'm laying in bed and it was
Speaker 1: Don's like, we're watching criminal and he's like, what did
Speaker 1: your or ring say about this? Because I tell him
Speaker 1: all the day, all day long, I'm like, I'm stressed
Speaker 1: right now. Or if we if I wake up in
Speaker 1: the morning and he hasn't asked about my sleep score,
Speaker 1: we're in a fight.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: I'm so passionate about my urr ring at the moment,
Speaker 1: it's only meed as you can tell. And I lay
Speaker 1: in bed watching Criminal Minds and he says he's a
Speaker 1: good man. He says, what's your stress score? At the moment?
Speaker 1: I look at it relaxed, watching Criminal Minds.
Speaker 2: And saying like crime podcasts, True crime. I'm like, why
Speaker 2: is the last thing I listened to a true murder story?
Speaker 2: Like why? Yes, what's the reason?
Speaker 1: You know why? It's because it's the only time that
Speaker 1: something doesn't relate to our life.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's what I say.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. So we're laid down, we're watching Criminal
Speaker 1: Minds in bed, and I don't relate to any of it.
Speaker 1: I can disconnect and I can just watch the show
Speaker 1: and be like engulfed in the show, whereas like reality TV,
Speaker 1: you know, it's react. I say that loosely, it's reality
Speaker 1: or you know there might be a spotto, which is amazing,
Speaker 1: but it relates to my life. Or if I'm watching
Speaker 1: some me and for watching the news, it relates to
Speaker 1: my life. Like if I'm watching things that relates to
Speaker 1: my life, but something like that, it is so far fetched.
Speaker 1: That's when you can actually switch off. And it's not
Speaker 1: an overly like peaceful show by any means, but it
Speaker 1: does like it enables you to disconnect from reality, which
Speaker 1: I think is so important.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, we're like the same person.
Speaker 1: We actually are.
Speaker 2: I tried to cut myself off once because I've read
Speaker 2: all those studies about how it shows that you've got
Speaker 2: like psychopathic tendencies if you watch them at night for
Speaker 2: enjoyment and blah blah blah, and then I was like,
Speaker 2: you know what, it is the most relaxed I am
Speaker 2: all day, because it's a one time. Yeah, where it's
Speaker 2: like a universe that is so foreign to you. Nothing's
Speaker 2: triggering me to my to do list. It's so yeah,
Speaker 2: engrossing that like you can actually unwind, and yet there's
Speaker 2: like probably something a little bit like damaging around it,
Speaker 2: but I just don't overread into it. It's fine, it's fine.
Speaker 2: We're well adjusted human beings.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. And what I always say is that
Speaker 1: I think my life is stressful. Look at their life.
Speaker 1: They're running away from the cops, have done all this
Speaker 1: bad stuff. Life is a breeze in comparison, So I'm like.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, gratitude, it's a gratitude practice. Yeah, it's so weird.
Speaker 2: I've like come to peace with it now. I'm like,
Speaker 2: you know what, it's fine. I'm just going to embrace
Speaker 2: that side of me. And it's weird. People find it
Speaker 2: really weird because I'm such a positive life is beautiful.
Speaker 2: Everything happens for a reason. They're like, how do you
Speaker 2: unite those two things? And I think it's because they
Speaker 2: don't unite, Like that's why. It's like, it's not trying
Speaker 2: to tell me something motivational that I could work into
Speaker 2: a podcast. It's just yeah, separate worlds. I love that.
Speaker 2: That's the crux of the Plata's that it's meant to
Speaker 2: be something completely separate. So if you find a new
Speaker 2: good show, because I'm kind of like rapidly running out
Speaker 2: of shows, kick it over.
Speaker 1: I have so many.
Speaker 2: You know how you just did your La and Paris Rex.
Speaker 2: Oh do like a crime show Rex post done.
Speaker 1: I'll do it just for you. You got it?
Speaker 2: Just tag me in it. We can do a co
Speaker 2: lab post for all my crime girlies. This is what
Speaker 2: we need.
Speaker 1: Let's do it. Let's do it. We're gonna have to
Speaker 1: hang out in real life so we can get a
Speaker 1: picture together.
Speaker 2: I yeah watching it though, like in our track, is
Speaker 2: in our matching sets?
Speaker 1: Done?
Speaker 2: Oh well, thank you so much, my love. This has
Speaker 2: been so wonderful. You are such a breath of fresh air.
Speaker 2: I loved you before, I love you even more now.
Speaker 2: I didn't ask what's coming up next for you? Guys.
Speaker 2: You've opened a lot of stores and had a lot
Speaker 2: of things going on. What is the next step? What
Speaker 2: shall we be looking out for?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've got a lot of stores in the pipeline.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we're doing the best collection that we've
Speaker 1: ever done. And I don't know how much time I
Speaker 1: like to say about it because of the evil eye
Speaker 1: stuff that I just.
Speaker 2: Like, Yeah, I was gonna say, Yeah, why do I
Speaker 2: even ask that question?
Speaker 1: No, No, I can tell you that much because I'm
Speaker 1: actually well, I did a steep peek on my story,
Speaker 1: so a lot of people already know. But I have
Speaker 1: like been very hands on with a particular collection that's
Speaker 1: coming up. It's in my favorite colors, there's new style.
Speaker 1: It's got to be the best thing we've ever done.
Speaker 1: So I'm so excited for that specifically.
Speaker 2: It's coming soon amazing. Well, I'm sure there is somewhere
Speaker 2: that people can sign up to be on the VIP list,
Speaker 2: which is the amazing model that you guys are using,
Speaker 2: so I will pop that in the show notes. Thank
Speaker 2: you so much for so generously sharing your time. I
Speaker 2: know you're a very very busy human being, and for
Speaker 2: keeping us all comfortable and stylish.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me malve well.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say that was the most eloquent I've ever been.
Speaker 2: I definitely felt a bit dustier than usual, but I
Speaker 2: just was so nervous. I couldn't believe how nervous I was,
Speaker 2: but I guess done is better than perfect, as we
Speaker 2: always say, and Matilda more than made up for it
Speaker 2: with her wisdom and eloquence. I just have so much
Speaker 2: passion for people's stories and getting inside their brains, and
Speaker 2: I've missed it so much. I hope you guys loved
Speaker 2: this first one back as much as I did, and
Speaker 2: if you did, please share the episode so that we
Speaker 2: can keep spreading the neighborhood again as far and wide
Speaker 2: as possible, and tag Matilda to thank her for her time.
Speaker 2: I think guests always love hearing what landed most with you.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of you will find the video
Speaker 2: game thing as valuable as I did, so yeah, please
Speaker 2: do share, and Tagger if you've found any takeaways. I
Speaker 2: think she'd love to hear it, and I'll also share
Speaker 2: links to Stacks and Second Left so you can check
Speaker 2: out their incredible range. There's a reason that I've been
Speaker 2: living in both for years and that they've grown so
Speaker 2: exponentially since they began. I'd also love to know what
Speaker 2: you guys want to hear. Any tweaks that you want
Speaker 2: to suggest for format or questions, or guests you want
Speaker 2: a request or anything now that we're back again. You
Speaker 2: guys know I love to make sure the neighborhood is
Speaker 2: getting exactly what it wants, so never stop hitting up
Speaker 2: my DMS or emailing so that we can always make
Speaker 2: sure this is a yighborhood production. Next up, we are
Speaker 2: going to be doing an Olympic Spotlight because it is
Speaker 2: that magical time every four years or every whatever years,
Speaker 2: given the last couple of times have been a bit
Speaker 2: thrown by the pandemic that shall not be named, but
Speaker 2: it's such an emotional and exciting time for the world.
Speaker 2: I just oh, there are so many dreams and stories
Speaker 2: and people and the idea that talent just surpasses all
Speaker 2: geographical and cultural boundaries. I get so emotional during the Olympics,
Speaker 2: I always have. So we're going to be doing an
Speaker 2: Olympic Spotlight of throwbacks because we've been so lucky to
Speaker 2: have so many Olympians on the show who are now
Speaker 2: doing so well in Paris and interesting they're not actually
Speaker 2: allowed to record audio video interviews from the Olympic village
Speaker 2: because we had a few lined up we will now
Speaker 2: be hearing from after their Olympic campaigns. But I thought
Speaker 2: it'd be interesting to go back and listen to some
Speaker 2: of them at the time we recorded them, because it
Speaker 2: was well before some of the milestones they're hitting now,
Speaker 2: and just reflect on how far they've come. So we'll
Speaker 2: do a little throwback series. Yeah, I think there's seven
Speaker 2: or eight Olympians who we've had on who are now
Speaker 2: over the in Paris. And we'll also follow up with
Speaker 2: a yeas of our lives catch up with and I'm
Speaker 2: recording that in the next couple of days. We actually
Speaker 2: did record one for you guys already a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks ago, and we lost the entire file, which is
Speaker 2: maybe better. It was pretty unhinged, but I guess they
Speaker 2: always are. It was really funny. We laughed a lot
Speaker 2: and I'm so sad we couldn't bring it to you,
Speaker 2: But we will do another one so that you get
Speaker 2: a bit more of a life update. And in the meantime,
Speaker 2: I hope you guys are having an amazing week. Everything
Speaker 2: is going well. You're all safe, healthy and happy and
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