1 00:00:10,614 --> 00:00:15,294 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mea podcast. Mumma Mea acknowledges 2 00:00:15,334 --> 00:00:18,174 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 3 00:00:18,214 --> 00:00:19,054 Speaker 1: is recorded on. 4 00:00:21,294 --> 00:00:21,454 Speaker 2: Hi. 5 00:00:21,614 --> 00:00:24,694 Speaker 1: I'm Claire Murphy. This is Mumma MIA's daily news podcast, 6 00:00:24,734 --> 00:00:28,334 Speaker 1: The Quickie. King Charles and Queen Camilla have now wrapped 7 00:00:28,374 --> 00:00:30,894 Speaker 1: up their tour of Australia, the first time Charles has 8 00:00:30,934 --> 00:00:33,734 Speaker 1: been to a Commonwealth nation since he was crowned following 9 00:00:33,734 --> 00:00:37,174 Speaker 1: his mother's passing. But while they received a fairly friendly 10 00:00:37,214 --> 00:00:41,454 Speaker 1: reception across their New South Wales Act, visit protests followed them, 11 00:00:41,494 --> 00:00:44,094 Speaker 1: and one in particular took the spotlight well off the 12 00:00:44,174 --> 00:00:47,374 Speaker 1: royal charm and back onto a topic that Australians continue 13 00:00:47,374 --> 00:01:00,814 Speaker 1: to struggle with. Today, we reflect on a royal tour 14 00:01:00,974 --> 00:01:03,814 Speaker 1: that felt a little less exciting than usual and what 15 00:01:03,894 --> 00:01:06,454 Speaker 1: that may mean for the monarchy. But first, here's the 16 00:01:06,494 --> 00:01:10,174 Speaker 1: news headlines for Wednesday, October twenty three. And Camilla have 17 00:01:10,214 --> 00:01:12,774 Speaker 1: wrapped their royal tour. Fans lining up at the Sydney 18 00:01:12,814 --> 00:01:15,174 Speaker 1: Opera House to meet the King and Queen before they 19 00:01:15,254 --> 00:01:18,134 Speaker 1: leave the country for Samoa. Charles spent time at the 20 00:01:18,214 --> 00:01:21,934 Speaker 1: National Center for Indigenous Excellence, where he experienced a traditional 21 00:01:21,974 --> 00:01:26,214 Speaker 1: welcome to country and smoking ceremony officiated by Uncle Brendan Karen, 22 00:01:26,254 --> 00:01:29,214 Speaker 1: who will hear from a little later. Camilla meanwhile helped 23 00:01:29,214 --> 00:01:31,694 Speaker 1: prepare lunch with chefs at Oz Harvest, the Queen a 24 00:01:31,774 --> 00:01:34,414 Speaker 1: patron of the UK arm of the charity. They came 25 00:01:34,454 --> 00:01:37,214 Speaker 1: back together to turn some snags on a barbecue hosted 26 00:01:37,214 --> 00:01:38,894 Speaker 1: by the Premiere of New South Wales. 27 00:01:39,254 --> 00:01:42,014 Speaker 3: I I am so delighted to be here in Paramatta. 28 00:01:42,814 --> 00:01:47,174 Speaker 3: An excellent choice for a community barbecue since Paramatta was 29 00:01:47,214 --> 00:01:51,734 Speaker 3: a place where First Nations people from around the region 30 00:01:51,894 --> 00:01:56,454 Speaker 3: also came together for generations to meet and trade food. 31 00:01:57,414 --> 00:01:59,934 Speaker 3: So it's a particular delight to see and smell all 32 00:01:59,974 --> 00:02:04,614 Speaker 3: the top tucker here today from Western Sydney's vibrant and 33 00:02:04,734 --> 00:02:05,894 Speaker 3: diverse community. 34 00:02:06,294 --> 00:02:08,694 Speaker 1: The royal couple will then farewelled at an event to 35 00:02:08,734 --> 00:02:10,934 Speaker 1: the Sydney Opera House in the afternoon. Mum and Mia 36 00:02:11,014 --> 00:02:13,614 Speaker 1: is own Cassie Green was on the Opera House fore court. 37 00:02:13,734 --> 00:02:14,654 Speaker 2: It was very busy. 38 00:02:14,854 --> 00:02:17,734 Speaker 4: It's about kind of two meters deep with people lining 39 00:02:17,814 --> 00:02:20,814 Speaker 4: up either side of where they're coming in. No one 40 00:02:20,894 --> 00:02:23,414 Speaker 4: really knows where they're going to be going, but there's 41 00:02:23,454 --> 00:02:26,174 Speaker 4: a little red rope up on the steps, so we're 42 00:02:26,214 --> 00:02:29,334 Speaker 4: imagining that's where he's going to go. There's helicopters flying 43 00:02:29,374 --> 00:02:32,734 Speaker 4: the Australian flag. There's I was in music going so yeah, 44 00:02:32,814 --> 00:02:34,014 Speaker 4: it's quite the vibe down here. 45 00:02:34,294 --> 00:02:35,974 Speaker 1: She spoke to some of those who'd lined up to 46 00:02:35,974 --> 00:02:38,294 Speaker 1: catch a glimpse of the Royals. They had many different 47 00:02:38,334 --> 00:02:40,574 Speaker 1: reasons for wanting to be in the presence of Royalty. 48 00:02:40,654 --> 00:02:41,694 Speaker 2: We're actually from the streets. 49 00:02:41,774 --> 00:02:47,494 Speaker 4: Oh, really exciting. So I'm very excited first time and 50 00:02:47,934 --> 00:02:48,414 Speaker 4: feeling good. 51 00:02:48,494 --> 00:02:49,014 Speaker 2: Feeling good. 52 00:02:49,294 --> 00:02:50,214 Speaker 4: Hopefully we'll be able. 53 00:02:50,094 --> 00:02:50,694 Speaker 2: To see from here. 54 00:02:50,814 --> 00:02:53,174 Speaker 5: I've watched the Royals ever since I was a little baby. 55 00:02:53,334 --> 00:02:56,694 Speaker 4: Yeah have you been in before? 56 00:02:57,414 --> 00:02:57,654 Speaker 1: Yes? 57 00:02:57,894 --> 00:03:00,294 Speaker 2: Yeah, in in per with Charles and Diana. 58 00:03:00,494 --> 00:03:01,374 Speaker 3: Oh so exciting. 59 00:03:01,494 --> 00:03:02,614 Speaker 6: Well, I don't really remember. 60 00:03:02,614 --> 00:03:03,134 Speaker 7: My mum took me. 61 00:03:03,374 --> 00:03:06,774 Speaker 1: I think it's just an important institution and broadly supportive 62 00:03:06,814 --> 00:03:10,374 Speaker 1: of constitutional honor. I think just a history moment to witness, 63 00:03:10,494 --> 00:03:12,414 Speaker 1: so I may as well be here. There were some 64 00:03:12,454 --> 00:03:15,454 Speaker 1: celebs on hand too, with ab Fabs Joanna Lumley, who's 65 00:03:15,454 --> 00:03:18,574 Speaker 1: in Australia performing a series of live shows, and Royal 66 00:03:18,654 --> 00:03:21,694 Speaker 1: carriage maker Jim Frecklington, who howls from a small town 67 00:03:21,734 --> 00:03:24,014 Speaker 1: in New South Wales, but who flew to London as 68 00:03:24,014 --> 00:03:26,054 Speaker 1: a young man more than fifty years ago to work 69 00:03:26,094 --> 00:03:28,974 Speaker 1: for the royal family. He built the Diamond Jubilee state 70 00:03:29,054 --> 00:03:31,654 Speaker 1: coach for the Queen, the same coach that Charles took 71 00:03:31,694 --> 00:03:35,294 Speaker 1: to Buckingham Palace on his Coronation day. Two months after 72 00:03:35,334 --> 00:03:37,894 Speaker 1: the shocking attack on a baby in a Brisbane park, 73 00:03:37,934 --> 00:03:42,454 Speaker 1: there's been another strange incident involving a baby. On Tuesday afternoon, 74 00:03:42,534 --> 00:03:44,894 Speaker 1: a woman approached a mother who was holding her baby 75 00:03:44,894 --> 00:03:47,334 Speaker 1: in her arms in a Perth shopping center. In the 76 00:03:47,374 --> 00:03:50,014 Speaker 1: security footage, you can see the woman lash out at 77 00:03:50,014 --> 00:03:52,814 Speaker 1: the baby before walking away. The child was left with 78 00:03:52,854 --> 00:03:55,614 Speaker 1: facial injuries. The mother says the woman is not known 79 00:03:55,614 --> 00:03:58,494 Speaker 1: to her and there seems to be a completely random assault. 80 00:03:58,734 --> 00:04:00,774 Speaker 1: Police are now searching for the woman, who was wearing 81 00:04:00,814 --> 00:04:03,454 Speaker 1: a pink singlet and gray shorts. She has a shaved 82 00:04:03,494 --> 00:04:06,814 Speaker 1: head with bleached blonde stubble. If anyone has any information 83 00:04:07,134 --> 00:04:09,534 Speaker 1: that being asked to contact crime Stoppers on one eight hundred, 84 00:04:09,534 --> 00:04:13,694 Speaker 1: triple three, triple zero. Despite watching her husband be punished 85 00:04:13,694 --> 00:04:16,374 Speaker 1: before his death in a remote Russian prison for daring 86 00:04:16,414 --> 00:04:20,214 Speaker 1: to go up against Vladimir Putin. Alexi Navalni's widow, Julia, 87 00:04:20,334 --> 00:04:23,054 Speaker 1: says she will return from exile to run for president. 88 00:04:23,494 --> 00:04:26,254 Speaker 1: Yulia Navagna says she will return to Russia and run 89 00:04:26,294 --> 00:04:29,094 Speaker 1: for the leadership when Putin is no longer in power, 90 00:04:29,414 --> 00:04:31,854 Speaker 1: telling the BBC that returning to her home is not 91 00:04:31,894 --> 00:04:34,654 Speaker 1: a possibility while he remains in power, but in the 92 00:04:34,694 --> 00:04:37,534 Speaker 1: meantime she'll do everything to make his regime fall as 93 00:04:37,574 --> 00:04:40,814 Speaker 1: soon as possible. In July, a Russian court ordered missus 94 00:04:40,854 --> 00:04:44,214 Speaker 1: Navagna's arrest in absentia. The charges against her have not 95 00:04:44,254 --> 00:04:46,654 Speaker 1: been revealed, but it appears to be related to her 96 00:04:46,734 --> 00:04:50,214 Speaker 1: role in her late husband's anti corruption foundation, which Russian 97 00:04:50,254 --> 00:04:54,494 Speaker 1: authorities have deemed an extremist organization. The latest lawsuit involving 98 00:04:54,534 --> 00:04:58,374 Speaker 1: Sean Ditty Combs claims a professional athlete intervened and stop 99 00:04:58,414 --> 00:05:01,774 Speaker 1: Ditty from sexually assaulting a man at a party. The accuser, 100 00:05:01,814 --> 00:05:04,694 Speaker 1: who owned a luxury car and jewelry rental business, was 101 00:05:04,774 --> 00:05:07,494 Speaker 1: asked to meet privately with Ditty in an office, where 102 00:05:07,534 --> 00:05:11,454 Speaker 1: he alleges Combs exposed himself before grabbing his genitals through 103 00:05:11,454 --> 00:05:13,894 Speaker 1: his pants in a rough and sexual manner. He then 104 00:05:13,974 --> 00:05:17,094 Speaker 1: says an unidentified professional athlete came into the room and 105 00:05:17,174 --> 00:05:19,734 Speaker 1: stopped it from going any further. The man is one 106 00:05:19,774 --> 00:05:23,134 Speaker 1: of five plaintiffs who are now suing Comb's high profile attorney, 107 00:05:23,174 --> 00:05:26,174 Speaker 1: Tony Busby, representing more than one hundred people who are 108 00:05:26,174 --> 00:05:29,934 Speaker 1: accusing Combs of various forms of sexual misconduct. That's what's 109 00:05:29,974 --> 00:05:32,254 Speaker 1: going on in the world today. Next, Charles and Camilla 110 00:05:32,374 --> 00:05:35,014 Speaker 1: leave Australia with a mixed mag of feelings behind them. 111 00:05:35,454 --> 00:05:37,974 Speaker 1: Is this the moment the Republican movement has been waiting for? 112 00:05:46,614 --> 00:05:49,854 Speaker 1: King Charles and Queen Camilla's recent visit to Australia has 113 00:05:49,894 --> 00:05:53,694 Speaker 1: been a mix of warm welcomes and vocal protest, highlighting 114 00:05:53,734 --> 00:05:57,534 Speaker 1: the complex relationship between the Commonwealth and its monarch. The 115 00:05:57,614 --> 00:06:00,654 Speaker 1: royal couples tour their first official visit to Australia since 116 00:06:00,734 --> 00:06:04,654 Speaker 1: Charles became King, but Charles's actual sixteenth visit to the country, 117 00:06:04,734 --> 00:06:06,974 Speaker 1: including the time he spent two terms at a campus 118 00:06:06,974 --> 00:06:09,774 Speaker 1: of Geelong Grammar as a teenager, has been marked by 119 00:06:09,774 --> 00:06:14,534 Speaker 1: both enthusiastic crowds and pointed demonstrations. The Royal couple began 120 00:06:14,574 --> 00:06:16,974 Speaker 1: their visit in Sydney, where they were greeted by thousands 121 00:06:17,014 --> 00:06:21,574 Speaker 1: of well wishers lining the streets. Many Australians, particularly older generations, 122 00:06:21,734 --> 00:06:24,654 Speaker 1: still hold a deep affection for the monarchy and see 123 00:06:24,654 --> 00:06:27,854 Speaker 1: it as an important part of the nation's identity. However, 124 00:06:27,974 --> 00:06:31,734 Speaker 1: the tour has not been without controversy. On Sunday, protesters 125 00:06:31,734 --> 00:06:34,854 Speaker 1: gathered outside Saint Thomas's Anglican Church in North Sydney, where 126 00:06:34,894 --> 00:06:38,014 Speaker 1: Charles and Camilla were attending a service. The anti monarchy 127 00:06:38,054 --> 00:06:41,254 Speaker 1: group chanted slogans while holding banners that read not our 128 00:06:41,334 --> 00:06:45,294 Speaker 1: king and empire built on genocide. There were also protesters 129 00:06:45,334 --> 00:06:49,014 Speaker 1: who held Palestinian flags. As the royal couple made their 130 00:06:49,014 --> 00:06:51,094 Speaker 1: way to Canberra on Monday, they were met with a 131 00:06:51,134 --> 00:06:55,214 Speaker 1: small group of protesters at the Australian War Memorial. The protesters, 132 00:06:55,254 --> 00:06:58,654 Speaker 1: carrying a large black and white banner that read simply Decolonize, 133 00:06:58,774 --> 00:07:01,654 Speaker 1: were denied entry to the memorial, telling The Canberra Times 134 00:07:01,694 --> 00:07:03,974 Speaker 1: that they were disappointed to not be able to have 135 00:07:04,014 --> 00:07:06,734 Speaker 1: their say in front of the monarch who represents such 136 00:07:06,734 --> 00:07:08,374 Speaker 1: a dark part of Australia's history. 137 00:07:08,574 --> 00:07:11,814 Speaker 4: Well, I'm very ups about the genocide that happened to 138 00:07:11,894 --> 00:07:17,494 Speaker 4: our nations here with the invasion by the British imperial forces. 139 00:07:18,174 --> 00:07:21,334 Speaker 1: While Charles inspected Australian troops. He didn't realize there would 140 00:07:21,334 --> 00:07:24,734 Speaker 1: be a much more dramatic protest to come. During a 141 00:07:24,774 --> 00:07:28,814 Speaker 1: parliamentary reception in Canberra, King Charles addressed MPs and senators. 142 00:07:29,214 --> 00:07:31,854 Speaker 8: In my many visits to Australia, I have witnessed the 143 00:07:31,894 --> 00:07:36,734 Speaker 8: courage and hope that have guided the nation's long and 144 00:07:36,854 --> 00:07:44,254 Speaker 8: sometimes difficult journey towards reconciliation. Throughout my life, Australia's First 145 00:07:44,374 --> 00:07:48,574 Speaker 8: Nations peoples have done me the great honor of sharing 146 00:07:48,654 --> 00:07:54,294 Speaker 8: so generously their stories and cultures. I can only say 147 00:07:54,334 --> 00:07:58,294 Speaker 8: how much my own experience has been shaped and strengthened 148 00:07:58,734 --> 00:08:00,414 Speaker 8: by such traditional wisdom. 149 00:08:01,054 --> 00:08:04,574 Speaker 1: As he concluded, Independent Senator Lydia Thorpe, known for her 150 00:08:04,614 --> 00:08:08,574 Speaker 1: fierce advocacy of Indigenous rights, approached the stage and began 151 00:08:08,734 --> 00:08:10,734 Speaker 1: a passionate test. 152 00:08:11,054 --> 00:08:12,534 Speaker 8: Decide against these people. 153 00:08:13,174 --> 00:08:18,574 Speaker 4: Do not lay this skull from our phones, our scull, 154 00:08:18,854 --> 00:08:21,054 Speaker 4: our babies, how people. 155 00:08:23,654 --> 00:08:24,534 Speaker 7: In this country. 156 00:08:34,014 --> 00:08:36,894 Speaker 1: Thorpe's protest, which lasted about a minute before she was 157 00:08:37,014 --> 00:08:40,614 Speaker 1: escorted our bisecurity, brought to the forefront the ongoing debate 158 00:08:40,654 --> 00:08:44,374 Speaker 1: about Australia's colonial past and its relationship with indigenous peoples. 159 00:08:45,094 --> 00:08:48,294 Speaker 1: The incident has sparked mixed reactions. While some view Thorpe's 160 00:08:48,294 --> 00:08:51,814 Speaker 1: actions as disrespectful, others see it as a necessary reminder 161 00:08:51,854 --> 00:08:55,854 Speaker 1: of the ongoing struggles faced by Indigenous Australians. Prime Minister 162 00:08:55,934 --> 00:08:59,694 Speaker 1: Anthony Alberonizi and Opposition Leader Peter Dutton both condemned the protest, 163 00:08:59,934 --> 00:09:04,854 Speaker 1: with Dutton describing it as entirely predictable and disrespectful. Despite 164 00:09:04,894 --> 00:09:08,134 Speaker 1: the interruption, the Royal couple maintained their composure, continuing with 165 00:09:08,174 --> 00:09:10,734 Speaker 1: their engagements and meeting with members of the public outside 166 00:09:10,774 --> 00:09:13,934 Speaker 1: Parliament House. This ability to carry on in the face 167 00:09:13,974 --> 00:09:16,734 Speaker 1: of protest is something the Royal family has long experience with, 168 00:09:17,214 --> 00:09:20,734 Speaker 1: particularly in Commonwealth nations where the legacy of colonialism remains 169 00:09:20,774 --> 00:09:24,014 Speaker 1: a contentious issue. For example, back in nineteen ninety four, 170 00:09:24,454 --> 00:09:28,094 Speaker 1: Ozzie Barrister David Kang shot two blanks from a starter's 171 00:09:28,134 --> 00:09:30,894 Speaker 1: pistol at the then Prince of Wales in protest against 172 00:09:30,894 --> 00:09:35,134 Speaker 1: the treatment of Cambodian asylum seekers. Uncle Brendan Kern is 173 00:09:35,174 --> 00:09:38,334 Speaker 1: a cultural representative of the Aboriginal Land Council. He very 174 00:09:38,414 --> 00:09:41,574 Speaker 1: recently copped backlash for performing a smoking ceremony at a 175 00:09:41,654 --> 00:09:45,374 Speaker 1: GWSAFL game where he explained why they hold the ceremony 176 00:09:45,534 --> 00:09:47,974 Speaker 1: and that's been something Aboriginal people have done for thousands 177 00:09:48,014 --> 00:09:48,414 Speaker 1: of years. 178 00:09:48,894 --> 00:09:52,294 Speaker 6: How welcomed the country is not a ceremony that we've 179 00:09:52,414 --> 00:09:57,574 Speaker 6: invented to cater for white people. It's a ceremony we've 180 00:09:57,694 --> 00:10:02,254 Speaker 6: been doing for two hundred and fifty thousand years plus BC, 181 00:10:03,214 --> 00:10:06,294 Speaker 6: and the BC stands for before Cook. 182 00:10:07,374 --> 00:10:11,334 Speaker 1: Yesterday he did a smoking ceremony for King Charles Brendon. 183 00:10:11,694 --> 00:10:14,774 Speaker 1: How do you feel after Senator Thorpe's protest. Some saw 184 00:10:14,814 --> 00:10:17,734 Speaker 1: it as disrespectful, others as the most opportune moment to 185 00:10:17,774 --> 00:10:19,694 Speaker 1: make this kind of statement. How do you see it? 186 00:10:21,174 --> 00:10:23,614 Speaker 5: I think it was a bit poorly timed. I think 187 00:10:23,734 --> 00:10:31,054 Speaker 5: that understanding the royals would have helped with the ruckus yesterday. Look, 188 00:10:31,334 --> 00:10:35,494 Speaker 5: I know personally that the King tends and does not 189 00:10:35,694 --> 00:10:40,974 Speaker 5: get involved with politics, especially within the Commonwealth, and it's 190 00:10:41,094 --> 00:10:44,694 Speaker 5: not so much the King that has our bones that 191 00:10:44,814 --> 00:10:48,854 Speaker 5: were stolen. I think that conversation needs to be had 192 00:10:48,974 --> 00:10:54,054 Speaker 5: with the likes of the London Museum. Personally, I feel 193 00:10:54,094 --> 00:10:58,174 Speaker 5: as though Senator Lydia Thorpe should have just maybe step 194 00:10:58,334 --> 00:10:59,974 Speaker 5: back a little bit and had a bit of think 195 00:11:00,014 --> 00:11:03,654 Speaker 5: about bringing those issues up. I look at the King 196 00:11:04,014 --> 00:11:06,574 Speaker 5: and I have a great lot of respect for him 197 00:11:06,854 --> 00:11:10,814 Speaker 5: and the royal bloodline. Look at the King as I 198 00:11:10,894 --> 00:11:14,534 Speaker 5: would look at a very old river at Gum that 199 00:11:14,814 --> 00:11:18,854 Speaker 5: survived for so long, and it's got that lived history 200 00:11:18,934 --> 00:11:23,894 Speaker 5: and connection, and that's how I sort of perceive the Royals. 201 00:11:24,774 --> 00:11:27,734 Speaker 1: That's really interesting because I guess people do make that 202 00:11:27,894 --> 00:11:32,134 Speaker 1: direct connection between colonization and the current members of the 203 00:11:32,214 --> 00:11:35,334 Speaker 1: royal family. But you are correct in saying that they 204 00:11:35,334 --> 00:11:38,134 Speaker 1: aren't the people who make the decisions about these things anymore. 205 00:11:38,174 --> 00:11:40,254 Speaker 1: So we should be looking to our own government and 206 00:11:40,374 --> 00:11:42,654 Speaker 1: the government in the UK in order to try and 207 00:11:43,054 --> 00:11:44,334 Speaker 1: resolve some of these issues. 208 00:11:44,454 --> 00:11:46,254 Speaker 5: Right, That's exactly right. 209 00:11:46,854 --> 00:11:50,134 Speaker 1: Do you find it difficult as an Aboriginal man to 210 00:11:50,374 --> 00:11:53,454 Speaker 1: deliver a welcome to country to the people though who 211 00:11:53,574 --> 00:11:56,494 Speaker 1: represent the institution that colonized Australia. 212 00:11:57,454 --> 00:12:01,774 Speaker 5: No, because I always use the platform as an educational platform. 213 00:12:02,414 --> 00:12:05,734 Speaker 5: Just being me and being in that space says a lot. 214 00:12:06,614 --> 00:12:08,814 Speaker 5: But I think it also says a lot too for 215 00:12:08,974 --> 00:12:12,654 Speaker 5: me to have that humility to still find up and 216 00:12:12,854 --> 00:12:19,734 Speaker 5: to graciously and honestly and honorably welcome whoever to the 217 00:12:19,854 --> 00:12:20,854 Speaker 5: traditional lands. 218 00:12:21,254 --> 00:12:23,294 Speaker 1: What was it like for you to be giving that 219 00:12:23,374 --> 00:12:26,054 Speaker 1: smoking ceremony to the King and Queen? Did you have 220 00:12:26,094 --> 00:12:28,454 Speaker 1: a conversation with them? Did you get to know them 221 00:12:28,494 --> 00:12:28,774 Speaker 1: at all? 222 00:12:28,854 --> 00:12:29,694 Speaker 2: What was it like for you? 223 00:12:30,214 --> 00:12:33,534 Speaker 5: So the Queen wasn't there, she's out at Western Sydney, 224 00:12:33,614 --> 00:12:36,174 Speaker 5: but the King certainly was. And there was only about 225 00:12:36,294 --> 00:12:39,094 Speaker 5: five of us that had the ceremony, and we were 226 00:12:39,134 --> 00:12:42,214 Speaker 5: allowed to have, you know, maybe ten to fifteen minutes 227 00:12:42,574 --> 00:12:45,374 Speaker 5: of conversation with him. And look, I was able to 228 00:12:45,494 --> 00:12:50,294 Speaker 5: explain the smoking ceremony of what we use it for traditionally, 229 00:12:51,174 --> 00:12:53,414 Speaker 5: you know, from the beginning of life right to the 230 00:12:53,574 --> 00:12:55,774 Speaker 5: end of life. I was able to explain to him 231 00:12:55,814 --> 00:13:00,614 Speaker 5: the different plants and the medicinal values. I even said 232 00:13:00,654 --> 00:13:02,894 Speaker 5: to him that he can't ask me what plants I'm 233 00:13:02,934 --> 00:13:06,094 Speaker 5: burning because we need to keep something sacred and secret. 234 00:13:06,814 --> 00:13:09,934 Speaker 5: We've already let everyone know how good can grow and 235 00:13:10,054 --> 00:13:12,574 Speaker 5: lemon myrtle tastes, and look how expensive that is in 236 00:13:12,614 --> 00:13:13,054 Speaker 5: the shops. 237 00:13:13,134 --> 00:13:13,254 Speaker 3: Now. 238 00:13:14,094 --> 00:13:16,854 Speaker 5: He actually had a laugh, and I said, if you 239 00:13:16,934 --> 00:13:18,934 Speaker 5: do ask me, I will tell you the leaves are 240 00:13:18,974 --> 00:13:23,214 Speaker 5: called mania and scott. None your business, and it's got nothing. 241 00:13:23,014 --> 00:13:23,494 Speaker 4: To do with you. 242 00:13:23,894 --> 00:13:26,374 Speaker 5: I was able to share that laugh with him, and 243 00:13:26,534 --> 00:13:29,854 Speaker 5: he then thanked me for explaining the smoking ceremony, because 244 00:13:29,894 --> 00:13:33,094 Speaker 5: I would presume he would have been too a lot. 245 00:13:34,054 --> 00:13:37,734 Speaker 5: But there's never been that chance or opportunity for anyone 246 00:13:37,854 --> 00:13:40,134 Speaker 5: to explain to him what it actually means. 247 00:13:40,974 --> 00:13:45,654 Speaker 1: So do you feel like we can reconcile the Royal 248 00:13:45,814 --> 00:13:50,454 Speaker 1: family into Australia's future if we decide not to become 249 00:13:50,654 --> 00:13:54,654 Speaker 1: a republic, Because there's this idea that if we cast 250 00:13:54,734 --> 00:13:58,454 Speaker 1: off the Royal family that somehow will resolve the issues 251 00:13:58,534 --> 00:13:59,134 Speaker 1: of our past. 252 00:14:00,054 --> 00:14:02,814 Speaker 5: I don't think it will resolve the issues of our past. 253 00:14:03,014 --> 00:14:07,814 Speaker 5: Look Australia, we are so multicultural now and there's possibly 254 00:14:08,014 --> 00:14:13,214 Speaker 5: very few that continue to have that connection to the monarchy. 255 00:14:13,894 --> 00:14:17,694 Speaker 5: When I've seen the King out about, he's more like 256 00:14:17,814 --> 00:14:21,294 Speaker 5: a rock star, and you know, people are all taken photos, 257 00:14:22,014 --> 00:14:24,654 Speaker 5: but I don't think the majority of them have that connection. 258 00:14:27,014 --> 00:14:29,094 Speaker 1: The royal visit to Australia is part of a long 259 00:14:29,174 --> 00:14:32,094 Speaker 1: tradition of Commonwealth tours undertaken by members of the British 260 00:14:32,134 --> 00:14:35,854 Speaker 1: Royal family. Now, these visits serve multiple purposes. They help 261 00:14:35,934 --> 00:14:38,654 Speaker 1: maintain the personal connection between the monarch and the people 262 00:14:38,694 --> 00:14:41,734 Speaker 1: of the Commonwealth. Realms reinforcing the symbolic role of the 263 00:14:41,774 --> 00:14:45,614 Speaker 1: crown in these nations constitutional systems. For the royals themselves, 264 00:14:45,734 --> 00:14:48,454 Speaker 1: these tours are an opportunity to demonstrate their commitment to 265 00:14:48,494 --> 00:14:51,214 Speaker 1: the Commonwealth and to engage with issues of importance to 266 00:14:51,294 --> 00:14:54,294 Speaker 1: member nations. King Charles, for example, has long been an 267 00:14:54,334 --> 00:14:57,654 Speaker 1: advocate for environmental causes, and his speeches during this visit 268 00:14:57,774 --> 00:15:00,934 Speaker 1: touched on climate change and the importance of indigenous wisdom 269 00:15:00,974 --> 00:15:05,574 Speaker 1: in environmental stewardship. From a diplomatic perspective, royal visits can 270 00:15:05,654 --> 00:15:08,494 Speaker 1: also serve as a form of soft power, helping to 271 00:15:08,534 --> 00:15:12,294 Speaker 1: strengthen ties between the UK and Commonwealth nations. The royal 272 00:15:12,334 --> 00:15:15,334 Speaker 1: family's global profile can also bring attention to local issues 273 00:15:15,374 --> 00:15:19,374 Speaker 1: and initiatives, potentially boosting tourism and international interest in the 274 00:15:19,414 --> 00:15:23,774 Speaker 1: host country. However, as demonstrated by Senator Thorpe's protest and 275 00:15:23,854 --> 00:15:27,814 Speaker 1: the broader Republican movement in Australia, these visits also inevitably 276 00:15:27,894 --> 00:15:30,974 Speaker 1: raise questions about the ongoing relevance of the monarchy in 277 00:15:31,054 --> 00:15:34,294 Speaker 1: the former colonies. The transition from Queen Elizabeth to King 278 00:15:34,414 --> 00:15:37,934 Speaker 1: Charles has also renewed debate in many Commonwealth countries about 279 00:15:37,974 --> 00:15:41,934 Speaker 1: their constitutional futures, and several Caribbean nations have moved to 280 00:15:42,014 --> 00:15:45,174 Speaker 1: remove the British monarch as their head of state, Barbados 281 00:15:45,214 --> 00:15:48,054 Speaker 1: being the most recent in twenty twenty one. This trend 282 00:15:48,054 --> 00:15:51,734 Speaker 1: has led to speculation about whether other Commonwealth realms, including 283 00:15:51,814 --> 00:15:55,014 Speaker 1: US here in Australia, might follow suit. So did this 284 00:15:55,254 --> 00:15:58,494 Speaker 1: royal visit leave a positive or negative taste in Australian's 285 00:15:58,534 --> 00:16:01,334 Speaker 1: mouths or worse for the royals? Do we even really 286 00:16:01,414 --> 00:16:05,694 Speaker 1: care anymore? Holly Wainwright is mmamea's head of Content, co 287 00:16:05,854 --> 00:16:08,094 Speaker 1: host of Mamma Mea Out Loud and host of mid 288 00:16:08,414 --> 00:16:11,854 Speaker 1: and our resident Royal Day expert, Holly as a Royal watcher, 289 00:16:12,174 --> 00:16:14,094 Speaker 1: what was your vibe on this visit? Did Charles and 290 00:16:14,134 --> 00:16:16,134 Speaker 1: Camilla renew our love of the monarchy or did it 291 00:16:16,214 --> 00:16:17,614 Speaker 1: do some reputational damage. 292 00:16:18,454 --> 00:16:20,934 Speaker 7: It's so interesting because it very much depends on where 293 00:16:21,014 --> 00:16:23,054 Speaker 7: you look, right. I've seen the tour described as a 294 00:16:23,094 --> 00:16:26,014 Speaker 7: great success because hundreds of people have come out when 295 00:16:26,054 --> 00:16:28,534 Speaker 7: the sun was shining to welcome them, wave their flags, 296 00:16:28,934 --> 00:16:32,494 Speaker 7: where their crown hats, shake hands, introduced Charles to alpackers 297 00:16:32,534 --> 00:16:35,734 Speaker 7: and such things. But actually hundreds of people, isn't that 298 00:16:35,894 --> 00:16:39,814 Speaker 7: many if you think that YouTube stars like Ksi and 299 00:16:40,014 --> 00:16:43,854 Speaker 7: Logan Pool drew thousands and thousands of people to the 300 00:16:43,894 --> 00:16:47,094 Speaker 7: middle of Sydney earlier this year, so it's kind of 301 00:16:47,254 --> 00:16:51,054 Speaker 7: interesting to think about what those crowds are like. They're 302 00:16:51,094 --> 00:16:54,174 Speaker 7: definitely smaller than they've been in the past, but in general, 303 00:16:54,294 --> 00:16:56,854 Speaker 7: it seems to have been quite well received, with the 304 00:16:56,974 --> 00:16:59,214 Speaker 7: obvious exception of some notable protests. 305 00:16:59,654 --> 00:17:03,534 Speaker 1: Well, let's touch on that, because the royal family will 306 00:17:03,694 --> 00:17:06,454 Speaker 1: encounter protests wherever they go, especially in commonwealth nations where 307 00:17:06,494 --> 00:17:10,854 Speaker 1: colonization has had such a huge impact on India peoples. 308 00:17:11,454 --> 00:17:13,654 Speaker 1: But how do you think they handle it when it 309 00:17:13,814 --> 00:17:16,414 Speaker 1: is really in their face like it was with the 310 00:17:16,454 --> 00:17:19,614 Speaker 1: protest from Senator Thorpe, Like, how do they then process that? 311 00:17:19,694 --> 00:17:21,334 Speaker 1: Do you think it's a real blow to them or 312 00:17:21,414 --> 00:17:23,694 Speaker 1: do they just kind of brush it off because they're 313 00:17:23,734 --> 00:17:24,054 Speaker 1: used to it. 314 00:17:25,374 --> 00:17:26,934 Speaker 2: I don't think they're surprised. 315 00:17:27,254 --> 00:17:30,334 Speaker 7: So you you know how they literally handled it in 316 00:17:30,414 --> 00:17:33,414 Speaker 7: the moment, if they remained very calm, They didn't seem 317 00:17:33,454 --> 00:17:36,494 Speaker 7: to visibly react. They spoke to each other, and that's 318 00:17:36,574 --> 00:17:39,014 Speaker 7: exactly what they would have sort of almost been trained 319 00:17:39,014 --> 00:17:40,774 Speaker 7: to do. I mean, let's remember that Charles has been 320 00:17:41,214 --> 00:17:44,054 Speaker 7: living this life for his entire life, so he's very 321 00:17:44,134 --> 00:17:48,094 Speaker 7: familiar with it. Also, he would be and Queen Camilla 322 00:17:49,214 --> 00:17:51,774 Speaker 7: very knowledgeable about the fact that this is how some 323 00:17:51,854 --> 00:17:54,014 Speaker 7: people feel about the monarchy in Australia. 324 00:17:54,254 --> 00:17:55,974 Speaker 2: It wouldn't be a surprise to him. 325 00:17:56,614 --> 00:17:58,774 Speaker 7: He's a thoughtful monarch and he also has lived a 326 00:17:58,814 --> 00:18:01,614 Speaker 7: long life and understands the issues that lots of post 327 00:18:01,614 --> 00:18:05,694 Speaker 7: Commonwealth countries are feeling. So I imagine that it's something 328 00:18:05,734 --> 00:18:08,974 Speaker 7: that they've probably expected and planned for to a certain extent. 329 00:18:09,614 --> 00:18:12,974 Speaker 7: I can't imagine that it probably rattled them that much. 330 00:18:13,654 --> 00:18:15,294 Speaker 1: I'd like to get your take on this, because it 331 00:18:15,374 --> 00:18:18,734 Speaker 1: feels like this particular visit meant more for them than 332 00:18:18,774 --> 00:18:21,214 Speaker 1: it did for us, only because when you factor in 333 00:18:21,294 --> 00:18:24,454 Speaker 1: things like King Charles paused his cancer treatment to make 334 00:18:24,534 --> 00:18:26,814 Speaker 1: this visit, which seems like quite a radical thing to 335 00:18:26,894 --> 00:18:29,094 Speaker 1: do when it's your own health that you're putting on 336 00:18:29,174 --> 00:18:29,574 Speaker 1: the line. 337 00:18:30,214 --> 00:18:31,854 Speaker 2: Was his trip more for them or for us? 338 00:18:32,854 --> 00:18:35,414 Speaker 7: I think it was incredibly important for him. If you 339 00:18:35,454 --> 00:18:38,854 Speaker 7: think about Charles's reign big picture, he became the king, 340 00:18:38,974 --> 00:18:41,214 Speaker 7: and then very soon afterwards, in the scheme of things, 341 00:18:41,294 --> 00:18:44,814 Speaker 7: he got this diagnosis He's also elderly obviously, so his 342 00:18:45,014 --> 00:18:49,214 Speaker 7: time is really limited, and he really he's been preparing 343 00:18:49,214 --> 00:18:50,694 Speaker 7: for this role his whole life, so he would have 344 00:18:50,734 --> 00:18:52,494 Speaker 7: had all kinds of plans for what he wanted to do, 345 00:18:52,934 --> 00:18:54,894 Speaker 7: and then they were all sort of scuppered. I think 346 00:18:55,694 --> 00:18:59,254 Speaker 7: this was the first tour that they announced after his coronation, 347 00:18:59,414 --> 00:19:01,054 Speaker 7: the fact they were going to come to Australia and 348 00:19:01,094 --> 00:19:02,534 Speaker 7: it was going to be a much bigger tour than 349 00:19:02,534 --> 00:19:05,294 Speaker 7: it's ended up being. They've scaled it right back. They 350 00:19:05,414 --> 00:19:07,934 Speaker 7: had to take New Zealand off the list altogether. It's 351 00:19:07,974 --> 00:19:11,854 Speaker 7: only been really three days official engagements, which does seem 352 00:19:11,974 --> 00:19:14,294 Speaker 7: like a very long way to come for not very long. 353 00:19:14,894 --> 00:19:17,334 Speaker 7: But I think that some of the sort of gushy 354 00:19:17,414 --> 00:19:21,414 Speaker 7: press we've seen about Charles's affection for Australia, it's obviously 355 00:19:21,534 --> 00:19:24,094 Speaker 7: true he spent time here, he's visited him many times 356 00:19:24,134 --> 00:19:27,334 Speaker 7: over the years, but also in the business of the monarchy, 357 00:19:27,774 --> 00:19:31,134 Speaker 7: it's really important that they stay visible in some of 358 00:19:31,254 --> 00:19:34,254 Speaker 7: their sort of strongholds, if you like, and I think 359 00:19:34,294 --> 00:19:37,734 Speaker 7: that Australia is still considered that in the royal family, 360 00:19:38,134 --> 00:19:40,134 Speaker 7: so I think that it was very important for them 361 00:19:40,494 --> 00:19:43,214 Speaker 7: for personal reasons. Yes, in that I'm sure Charles wanted 362 00:19:43,254 --> 00:19:45,774 Speaker 7: to come and almost say goodbye to somewhere that's been 363 00:19:45,814 --> 00:19:46,734 Speaker 7: a big part of his life. 364 00:19:47,174 --> 00:19:47,974 Speaker 2: But also I. 365 00:19:48,014 --> 00:19:50,774 Speaker 7: Think to be seen that they are able to carry 366 00:19:50,774 --> 00:19:53,134 Speaker 7: out some of their duties and to remind everyone that 367 00:19:53,214 --> 00:19:54,054 Speaker 7: they are still here. 368 00:19:54,574 --> 00:19:57,414 Speaker 1: Just finally, what does this trip do for the republican 369 00:19:57,494 --> 00:20:01,174 Speaker 1: movement of Australia, Because obviously we've had a referendum in 370 00:20:01,214 --> 00:20:03,254 Speaker 1: the past that failed to turn us into republic with 371 00:20:03,334 --> 00:20:05,334 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of issues that surrounded that. It's a 372 00:20:05,414 --> 00:20:07,374 Speaker 1: big deal and a lot of work and effort to 373 00:20:07,414 --> 00:20:10,614 Speaker 1: make that happen. Does a royal visit life this bolster 374 00:20:10,734 --> 00:20:13,334 Speaker 1: support for something like that or are we just not 375 00:20:13,534 --> 00:20:15,294 Speaker 1: really caring that much about it anymore. 376 00:20:15,974 --> 00:20:18,734 Speaker 7: I think there's just enormous apathy, to be honest. The 377 00:20:18,814 --> 00:20:22,374 Speaker 7: most recent polling, and this was done after Charles was coronated, 378 00:20:22,894 --> 00:20:26,494 Speaker 7: showed that about thirty two percent of Australians feel strongly 379 00:20:26,574 --> 00:20:29,934 Speaker 7: that Australia should be a republic, about another thirty percent 380 00:20:30,014 --> 00:20:32,454 Speaker 7: feels strongly that it shouldn't, and the rest of the 381 00:20:32,534 --> 00:20:36,054 Speaker 7: people are just like, nah, I don't really care. It's 382 00:20:36,134 --> 00:20:39,174 Speaker 7: not an issue that motivates people along their voting lines 383 00:20:39,254 --> 00:20:42,134 Speaker 7: or their political you know, they're deep held political beliefs. 384 00:20:42,454 --> 00:20:44,414 Speaker 2: It's not something that really agitates them. 385 00:20:44,734 --> 00:20:47,334 Speaker 7: And in fact the polling is interesting because when the 386 00:20:47,414 --> 00:20:50,814 Speaker 7: Queen was alive, there was a general sense when people 387 00:20:50,854 --> 00:20:53,574 Speaker 7: were polled about the republic h that's something we should 388 00:20:53,654 --> 00:20:56,854 Speaker 7: consider after Queen Elizabeth dies. And then now Charles is 389 00:20:56,894 --> 00:20:59,494 Speaker 7: in power, the notes to the polling are, oh, that's 390 00:20:59,534 --> 00:21:03,094 Speaker 7: something we should consider after King Charles dies. So it 391 00:21:03,214 --> 00:21:05,774 Speaker 7: seems like an issue that Australia is very happy to 392 00:21:05,894 --> 00:21:09,294 Speaker 7: kick down the road, with the exception obviously of some 393 00:21:09,694 --> 00:21:13,134 Speaker 7: very strongly and deep held beliefs in some First Nations 394 00:21:13,254 --> 00:21:16,614 Speaker 7: communities and in people who feel very deeply about the 395 00:21:16,654 --> 00:21:19,014 Speaker 7: Republican movement. Whoever you put on the throne, that's not 396 00:21:19,134 --> 00:21:21,614 Speaker 7: going to change that. And whether or not Australia should 397 00:21:21,614 --> 00:21:23,694 Speaker 7: be a nation that stands on its own two feet 398 00:21:23,734 --> 00:21:25,974 Speaker 7: in that way, which is my personal belief, but I 399 00:21:26,014 --> 00:21:28,974 Speaker 7: think that in general people just don't care enough. And 400 00:21:29,054 --> 00:21:32,134 Speaker 7: I don't think that Charles and Camilla coming and meeting 401 00:21:32,174 --> 00:21:33,934 Speaker 7: a couple of our packers is going to make any 402 00:21:33,974 --> 00:21:34,694 Speaker 7: difference to mine. 403 00:21:36,334 --> 00:21:38,054 Speaker 1: Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with 404 00:21:38,174 --> 00:21:40,774 Speaker 1: us today. The quickie is produced by me Claire Murphy 405 00:21:40,854 --> 00:21:44,174 Speaker 1: and our Executive producer Taylor Strano, with audio production by 406 00:21:44,294 --> 00:21:44,934 Speaker 1: Jacob Brown.