1 00:00:10,265 --> 00:00:13,425 Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 2 00:00:13,945 --> 00:00:17,465 Speaker 2: Mama Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 3 00:00:17,505 --> 00:00:19,545 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded. 4 00:00:19,065 --> 00:00:22,065 Speaker 3: On Makeup is My Therapy. 5 00:00:22,265 --> 00:00:25,265 Speaker 4: I'm in love, I'm obsessed, and I don't even feel 6 00:00:25,345 --> 00:00:26,025 Speaker 4: guilty about it. 7 00:00:31,225 --> 00:00:34,345 Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to you, beauty. This is the podcast 8 00:00:34,385 --> 00:00:39,225 Speaker 2: for your face. I'm Kelly McCarran and welcome to the formula. Okay, 9 00:00:39,305 --> 00:00:43,265 Speaker 2: picture this ubs. You've built a global reputation for telling 10 00:00:43,345 --> 00:00:46,585 Speaker 2: women exactly what they need to hear, not what they 11 00:00:46,625 --> 00:00:49,345 Speaker 2: want to hear, from what not to where to millions 12 00:00:49,385 --> 00:00:52,665 Speaker 2: of social media follows who trust you with all things 13 00:00:52,745 --> 00:00:56,745 Speaker 2: fashion and beauty. Yes, I'm sure you're just as excited 14 00:00:56,905 --> 00:01:00,585 Speaker 2: as me to hear from the icon that is Trinny Woodall. 15 00:01:00,945 --> 00:01:02,905 Speaker 3: You're such beautiful skill. 16 00:01:03,025 --> 00:01:06,105 Speaker 1: But how. 17 00:01:06,945 --> 00:01:11,745 Speaker 2: So, Trinny, you've spent the last few decades helping women 18 00:01:11,785 --> 00:01:16,185 Speaker 2: find their personal style. How has your personal style evolved 19 00:01:16,625 --> 00:01:19,225 Speaker 2: over the time and how has it changed through your 20 00:01:19,225 --> 00:01:20,865 Speaker 2: different eras that you've had. 21 00:01:21,505 --> 00:01:26,225 Speaker 4: I think that sort of teens was discovery, like most people, 22 00:01:26,425 --> 00:01:30,025 Speaker 4: on both how I dressed and then I got acne. 23 00:01:30,145 --> 00:01:33,305 Speaker 4: So also with my sort of how I presented myself 24 00:01:33,345 --> 00:01:37,385 Speaker 4: the outside world was really that self confidence was hindered 25 00:01:37,505 --> 00:01:40,825 Speaker 4: by feeling people talk to my spots, so I would 26 00:01:40,865 --> 00:01:44,225 Speaker 4: do things in my style to counteract it, so you know. 27 00:01:44,265 --> 00:01:46,385 Speaker 4: And at the same time, I also discovered a store 28 00:01:46,425 --> 00:01:48,345 Speaker 4: that you know now as old fashion but then were 29 00:01:48,345 --> 00:01:51,145 Speaker 4: so innovative, caught Benetton and it had all this color 30 00:01:51,185 --> 00:01:52,305 Speaker 4: and I loved the color. 31 00:01:52,345 --> 00:01:53,665 Speaker 3: I love that concept of color. 32 00:01:54,265 --> 00:01:57,065 Speaker 4: And the first, you know, I had this yellow twin set, 33 00:01:57,505 --> 00:02:01,105 Speaker 4: so weird when I discovered I loved yellow. But it 34 00:02:01,225 --> 00:02:05,625 Speaker 4: gave me this communication with other people a bit too. 35 00:02:05,985 --> 00:02:09,225 Speaker 4: So it's always had a really big impact. And sometimes 36 00:02:09,265 --> 00:02:12,105 Speaker 4: I've been appalling me on stylation, warn the worst fake 37 00:02:12,185 --> 00:02:14,865 Speaker 4: tan and the most terrible makeup, and had a really 38 00:02:14,865 --> 00:02:17,585 Speaker 4: bad skincare routine, and then it's got better. 39 00:02:17,665 --> 00:02:18,945 Speaker 3: And then I've had another stage. 40 00:02:18,985 --> 00:02:21,625 Speaker 4: You know, like all of us, we have this breakthrough 41 00:02:21,705 --> 00:02:24,585 Speaker 4: and we get into ourselves and we get in the groove, 42 00:02:24,625 --> 00:02:26,385 Speaker 4: and then we have another moment of filtering. 43 00:02:26,985 --> 00:02:28,585 Speaker 1: I call it a flop error, a. 44 00:02:28,465 --> 00:02:31,305 Speaker 4: Flop error, and we just need to rethink our routine. 45 00:02:31,465 --> 00:02:34,185 Speaker 4: So it goes across everything. It goes across your skincare, 46 00:02:34,265 --> 00:02:36,345 Speaker 4: your makeup, and how you put yourself together. 47 00:02:36,465 --> 00:02:40,425 Speaker 3: So you know, for me, everything in a way is. 48 00:02:40,425 --> 00:02:43,345 Speaker 4: Culminated with starting twenty London because it's sort of brought 49 00:02:43,345 --> 00:02:45,305 Speaker 4: that together of how can we present ourselves to the 50 00:02:45,305 --> 00:02:47,025 Speaker 4: world and feel good. 51 00:02:47,425 --> 00:02:50,825 Speaker 2: I love that and I completely agree because I think 52 00:02:51,345 --> 00:02:53,505 Speaker 2: there are just so many different times where you might 53 00:02:53,505 --> 00:02:55,745 Speaker 2: feel like you're trying to hide yourself more as well, 54 00:02:56,505 --> 00:02:59,145 Speaker 2: especially if you have acne. I had awful acne in 55 00:02:59,185 --> 00:03:02,425 Speaker 2: my twenties, yeah, teenager and then twenties, and I feel 56 00:03:02,465 --> 00:03:03,865 Speaker 2: like lots of photos I've. 57 00:03:03,785 --> 00:03:06,465 Speaker 3: Got my hair, yeah, met and I'm wearing. 58 00:03:06,185 --> 00:03:08,905 Speaker 2: Hats and such because I just felt so uncomfortable in 59 00:03:08,945 --> 00:03:14,265 Speaker 2: my skin. So you started trinny London because you were 60 00:03:14,305 --> 00:03:17,985 Speaker 2: actually decanting products yourself, like at home, you're pulling them 61 00:03:17,985 --> 00:03:20,705 Speaker 2: out of different parts because you want to take everything out. 62 00:03:20,825 --> 00:03:21,625 Speaker 1: Is that correct? 63 00:03:21,745 --> 00:03:22,585 Speaker 3: Sort of two things. 64 00:03:22,665 --> 00:03:26,945 Speaker 4: One is that I led a life where a portability 65 00:03:27,025 --> 00:03:31,825 Speaker 4: was important. And also I was never happy with what 66 00:03:32,345 --> 00:03:35,025 Speaker 4: I was sold in its entirety, so when that was 67 00:03:35,065 --> 00:03:37,785 Speaker 4: skincare or makeup, so I was you know, I used 68 00:03:37,825 --> 00:03:39,545 Speaker 4: to do it with skincare too, that I would sort 69 00:03:39,585 --> 00:03:43,345 Speaker 4: of put retinoids into my body lotions and I would 70 00:03:43,385 --> 00:03:45,945 Speaker 4: you know, take vitamin c and dilute it or make it, 71 00:03:46,265 --> 00:03:48,865 Speaker 4: you know, just kind of I liked playing in my 72 00:03:48,945 --> 00:03:52,745 Speaker 4: bathroom and then looking at what impact things had, and 73 00:03:52,785 --> 00:03:56,825 Speaker 4: then the same with color, and especially also with what 74 00:03:56,865 --> 00:04:00,625 Speaker 4: I call now hybrids, because I would take my skin 75 00:04:00,705 --> 00:04:04,465 Speaker 4: care and I would add in some color, and that's 76 00:04:04,505 --> 00:04:06,585 Speaker 4: in a way what became one of our cart products 77 00:04:06,625 --> 00:04:09,225 Speaker 4: of BFF skin effector because I would think, you know, 78 00:04:09,945 --> 00:04:12,665 Speaker 4: SPF you never wanted to put on because it was 79 00:04:12,665 --> 00:04:15,105 Speaker 4: always such a horrible formula and it's evolved a lot 80 00:04:15,145 --> 00:04:17,345 Speaker 4: since then, but then it was and then you kind 81 00:04:17,345 --> 00:04:19,585 Speaker 4: of you had to layer then with foundation, or then 82 00:04:19,625 --> 00:04:21,945 Speaker 4: you decided instead I want to be glowy, and none 83 00:04:21,945 --> 00:04:24,185 Speaker 4: of them could be one thing. So I thought, let 84 00:04:24,225 --> 00:04:27,905 Speaker 4: me do all one thing. And you know, at that time, 85 00:04:27,945 --> 00:04:30,185 Speaker 4: to me, SPF two was like the medicine. It wasn't 86 00:04:30,185 --> 00:04:30,865 Speaker 4: the sweetie. 87 00:04:31,145 --> 00:04:31,825 Speaker 1: It wasn't fun. 88 00:04:31,985 --> 00:04:34,825 Speaker 4: No, it wasn't fun, and it was kind of, yes, 89 00:04:34,985 --> 00:04:37,425 Speaker 4: it was an afterthought a bit, but I also really 90 00:04:37,505 --> 00:04:40,265 Speaker 4: had seen the damage of sun and I wanted to 91 00:04:40,305 --> 00:04:43,505 Speaker 4: start to get women to understand that sense of protection. 92 00:04:43,625 --> 00:04:45,625 Speaker 4: So you know, when I had done this myself, it 93 00:04:45,705 --> 00:04:48,905 Speaker 4: was for me to make something I could wear that 94 00:04:48,945 --> 00:04:50,785 Speaker 4: would give me a protection but feel that my skin 95 00:04:50,825 --> 00:04:53,225 Speaker 4: looked good because sps had always made my skin feel 96 00:04:53,265 --> 00:04:55,265 Speaker 4: it looked matt and flat and had had the life 97 00:04:55,265 --> 00:04:58,945 Speaker 4: taken out of it. So that was that mixology I'd 98 00:04:58,945 --> 00:05:01,865 Speaker 4: done in the bathroom, which then gave me the inspiration 99 00:05:01,905 --> 00:05:04,225 Speaker 4: for a lot of things which became formulas at Treney London. 100 00:05:04,585 --> 00:05:08,345 Speaker 2: And I guess making things that you wanted because you assumed, well, 101 00:05:08,465 --> 00:05:12,705 Speaker 2: surely other women other people want this too. Yeah, and 102 00:05:12,905 --> 00:05:16,505 Speaker 2: since you begin, how have you seen the beauty industry 103 00:05:16,585 --> 00:05:20,305 Speaker 2: as a whole change and evolve and do you think cutely? 104 00:05:20,465 --> 00:05:24,585 Speaker 4: I mean in interesting ways. You know, not all of 105 00:05:24,625 --> 00:05:28,465 Speaker 4: them positive, that's the influences. But I think that the 106 00:05:28,585 --> 00:05:32,265 Speaker 4: positive thing is what you can really do with ingredients 107 00:05:32,305 --> 00:05:35,065 Speaker 4: today because we have our own lab, so we research 108 00:05:35,185 --> 00:05:39,665 Speaker 4: ingredients from scratch and we find very innovative ingredients. And 109 00:05:40,505 --> 00:05:43,185 Speaker 4: you know, there's things that are trends, like the peptide 110 00:05:43,225 --> 00:05:46,505 Speaker 4: trend and the mini protein trend and the exome trend, 111 00:05:47,145 --> 00:05:50,065 Speaker 4: and then there's really getting into the detail of what 112 00:05:50,425 --> 00:05:55,585 Speaker 4: actually is the point of that ingredient or that delivery 113 00:05:55,625 --> 00:05:58,785 Speaker 4: method that you could utilize with a really good ingredient, 114 00:05:58,905 --> 00:06:01,505 Speaker 4: and then it's discovering a lab that might make that 115 00:06:01,545 --> 00:06:03,985 Speaker 4: singular ingredient and then reading the clinical trup so of 116 00:06:04,065 --> 00:06:06,105 Speaker 4: that side of it I adore because I think then 117 00:06:06,145 --> 00:06:08,185 Speaker 4: you can make a difference, which twenty years ago you 118 00:06:08,185 --> 00:06:10,745 Speaker 4: couldn't if you bought a cream. It was always about 119 00:06:10,785 --> 00:06:13,145 Speaker 4: the amount of And this still applies to day so much, 120 00:06:13,185 --> 00:06:15,465 Speaker 4: and I find it quite amusing, and even I find 121 00:06:15,505 --> 00:06:18,345 Speaker 4: it in some people who are experiencing in beauty industry 122 00:06:18,665 --> 00:06:20,865 Speaker 4: is they'll, you know, go like that with the cream 123 00:06:20,905 --> 00:06:22,785 Speaker 4: and they'll go, that's such a good cream. All I'm 124 00:06:22,785 --> 00:06:24,385 Speaker 4: doing right now, by the way, for those only watching 125 00:06:24,425 --> 00:06:27,345 Speaker 4: is just rubbing it on they go, or they'll go 126 00:06:27,505 --> 00:06:29,585 Speaker 4: they'll sniff it and go, that's such a good cream. 127 00:06:29,585 --> 00:06:31,145 Speaker 3: And I'm like, you just sniffed it. You just like 128 00:06:31,185 --> 00:06:32,825 Speaker 3: the fragrance, has a fragrance in. 129 00:06:32,865 --> 00:06:34,665 Speaker 1: Oh, you just like the feel the feel of it. 130 00:06:34,825 --> 00:06:36,385 Speaker 1: You don't know if it's a good cream or not. 131 00:06:36,465 --> 00:06:39,105 Speaker 4: So I say, you don't know, Yeah, take it and 132 00:06:39,225 --> 00:06:41,785 Speaker 4: try it and then come back to me. And so 133 00:06:42,705 --> 00:06:44,465 Speaker 4: we don't start that way either, because a lot of 134 00:06:44,505 --> 00:06:47,265 Speaker 4: people start with a they'll either white label or they'll 135 00:06:47,305 --> 00:06:49,905 Speaker 4: start with a nice chass I call it a chassis, 136 00:06:49,945 --> 00:06:52,025 Speaker 4: and then they'll put in ingredients and we start with 137 00:06:52,105 --> 00:06:54,425 Speaker 4: the raw ingredient and then we build around it. So 138 00:06:54,825 --> 00:06:57,345 Speaker 4: we think of, you know, a task of something we 139 00:06:57,385 --> 00:07:00,385 Speaker 4: want to solve, and then we think of what are 140 00:07:00,385 --> 00:07:01,785 Speaker 4: the ingredients we'd love to put in it, and then 141 00:07:01,825 --> 00:07:04,385 Speaker 4: we start playing with those ingredients. We see if there's 142 00:07:04,425 --> 00:07:07,785 Speaker 4: frenemies or enemies, because some ingredients don't like each other, 143 00:07:08,265 --> 00:07:10,345 Speaker 4: you know, like vitamincy and retinoise I don't love each other, 144 00:07:10,385 --> 00:07:15,825 Speaker 4: and they also degrade their efficacy, so in you know, 145 00:07:15,985 --> 00:07:18,465 Speaker 4: the most strenuous one was probably we did an I 146 00:07:18,505 --> 00:07:20,785 Speaker 4: treatment court take a back time, and I'd always disliked 147 00:07:21,265 --> 00:07:24,345 Speaker 4: I creams because I once when I was beauty journalists, 148 00:07:24,345 --> 00:07:27,105 Speaker 4: I interviewed a plastic surgeont and he had said that 149 00:07:27,145 --> 00:07:30,225 Speaker 4: when he lifted up with his pass the concept, he 150 00:07:30,305 --> 00:07:32,665 Speaker 4: had found this deposit, this fatue deposit under their eyes 151 00:07:32,705 --> 00:07:35,185 Speaker 4: and he thought, I wonder how much of that contribution 152 00:07:35,465 --> 00:07:38,345 Speaker 4: is from so much oil heavy are going through their 153 00:07:38,345 --> 00:07:40,825 Speaker 4: skin and that puffiness that they want to get rid 154 00:07:40,825 --> 00:07:43,305 Speaker 4: of is only being exaggerated by the types of icream 155 00:07:43,345 --> 00:07:43,785 Speaker 4: they're using. 156 00:07:43,785 --> 00:07:44,385 Speaker 3: And I thought, I. 157 00:07:44,345 --> 00:07:47,305 Speaker 4: Will never use an I cream and then I got 158 00:07:47,305 --> 00:07:49,865 Speaker 4: to a stage because some things come from personal like 159 00:07:50,145 --> 00:07:53,065 Speaker 4: and other things come from my feeling we should develop 160 00:07:53,105 --> 00:07:56,425 Speaker 4: this now. But with the cream, it was definitely that 161 00:07:56,425 --> 00:07:58,865 Speaker 4: feeling of you know, I'm starting to get criss cross lines, 162 00:07:59,225 --> 00:08:01,585 Speaker 4: and I thought, what do I want to do most 163 00:08:02,065 --> 00:08:04,745 Speaker 4: with an eye? And I thought, everyone knows they want 164 00:08:04,785 --> 00:08:06,825 Speaker 4: to they want to slightly get rid of that criscross line. 165 00:08:06,825 --> 00:08:09,505 Speaker 4: But also if I could lift the eyelid a tiny bit, 166 00:08:10,265 --> 00:08:12,705 Speaker 4: that would be great, because we feel our eyes closed 167 00:08:12,745 --> 00:08:14,705 Speaker 4: in on us and become smaller in our face as 168 00:08:14,705 --> 00:08:17,025 Speaker 4: we go down the path of life. So there was 169 00:08:17,065 --> 00:08:20,185 Speaker 4: some ingredients at the time we'd been looking at called 170 00:08:20,185 --> 00:08:22,465 Speaker 4: mini proteins. It's a type of peptide. It's a slightly 171 00:08:22,465 --> 00:08:24,945 Speaker 4: different molecule size. It works in a different way, but 172 00:08:25,265 --> 00:08:29,785 Speaker 4: the result of its sort of prevented more lines forming, 173 00:08:30,145 --> 00:08:31,985 Speaker 4: and it is literally by the fact that it's a 174 00:08:32,225 --> 00:08:33,705 Speaker 4: larger size peptide. 175 00:08:33,705 --> 00:08:35,065 Speaker 3: It's going to feed the amino acids. 176 00:08:35,065 --> 00:08:37,065 Speaker 4: It's going to be sort of more powerful form of 177 00:08:38,065 --> 00:08:40,585 Speaker 4: rebuilding some collagen and lastain, which is going to then 178 00:08:40,665 --> 00:08:42,945 Speaker 4: plump up your lines and make your skin look better. 179 00:08:42,945 --> 00:08:44,905 Speaker 3: But it has a really good delivery system and the 180 00:08:44,905 --> 00:08:45,705 Speaker 3: way it works. 181 00:08:45,425 --> 00:08:47,985 Speaker 1: So it's not going to puff up your and your eyes. 182 00:08:49,785 --> 00:08:51,505 Speaker 4: And then I saw what other ingredients I want to 183 00:08:51,545 --> 00:08:54,225 Speaker 4: go in there, and so we kind of knew what 184 00:08:54,225 --> 00:08:56,265 Speaker 4: we want to achieve. We'd read the clinical on the 185 00:08:56,385 --> 00:08:58,785 Speaker 4: mini protein. We then put other ingredients in it that 186 00:08:58,825 --> 00:09:03,305 Speaker 4: we really liked, and it kept falling apart like a mayonnaise. 187 00:09:03,425 --> 00:09:07,105 Speaker 4: You know, it's sort of split because some ingredients don't 188 00:09:07,385 --> 00:09:08,265 Speaker 4: like each other, and. 189 00:09:08,145 --> 00:09:09,625 Speaker 3: So it splits split. 190 00:09:09,465 --> 00:09:14,105 Speaker 4: Fifty seven incarnations later, we then had the right formula 191 00:09:14,425 --> 00:09:16,745 Speaker 4: and then went in you know, we're looking at the 192 00:09:16,745 --> 00:09:19,905 Speaker 4: consistency and stuff, and then after that you do your 193 00:09:20,825 --> 00:09:23,345 Speaker 4: compatibility testing. So that then takes and so with this 194 00:09:23,385 --> 00:09:24,905 Speaker 4: has been a year and a half, right, then you 195 00:09:24,945 --> 00:09:28,825 Speaker 4: do compatibility testing that then takes even accelerator, which means 196 00:09:28,825 --> 00:09:31,185 Speaker 4: that you sort of put it under extreme conditions like 197 00:09:31,265 --> 00:09:34,305 Speaker 4: really make it heat, really cold, you throw it around 198 00:09:34,345 --> 00:09:37,145 Speaker 4: a lot, and then you start checking it on women's skin. 199 00:09:37,265 --> 00:09:40,025 Speaker 4: So when we do clinical trial, we do from twenty 200 00:09:40,105 --> 00:09:42,305 Speaker 4: year olds to seventy five year olds. You know, we 201 00:09:42,385 --> 00:09:44,905 Speaker 4: might take ninety people, but were really specific in who 202 00:09:44,945 --> 00:09:45,585 Speaker 4: those people are. 203 00:09:45,625 --> 00:09:46,305 Speaker 3: We take people with. 204 00:09:46,305 --> 00:09:49,945 Speaker 4: Skin sensitivity, somebody you might have been allergic to one 205 00:09:49,985 --> 00:09:51,745 Speaker 4: of the ingredients we have in it. You know, just 206 00:09:51,905 --> 00:09:55,705 Speaker 4: literally test test test and it passed, which is great. 207 00:09:55,985 --> 00:09:58,585 Speaker 4: And then you do consument trials after that, you know, 208 00:09:58,625 --> 00:09:59,225 Speaker 4: and you start to. 209 00:09:59,745 --> 00:10:03,185 Speaker 2: No idea how much goes into the launch these amazing 210 00:10:03,265 --> 00:10:05,345 Speaker 2: violence like they just think, you go, you know what, 211 00:10:05,385 --> 00:10:08,625 Speaker 2: I'd quite like to make an eye product. Let's release something. 212 00:10:08,665 --> 00:10:11,665 Speaker 2: And then a few months latter there No, that's so involved. 213 00:10:11,825 --> 00:10:12,985 Speaker 3: There is so much involved. 214 00:10:13,105 --> 00:10:14,465 Speaker 4: I mean, the thing is it can go either way, 215 00:10:14,465 --> 00:10:16,185 Speaker 4: because you can do it many different ways. And there's 216 00:10:16,265 --> 00:10:20,545 Speaker 4: many big houses in France and Italy that will have 217 00:10:20,625 --> 00:10:23,185 Speaker 4: a nice basic formulation and somebody comes along and says, 218 00:10:23,425 --> 00:10:27,185 Speaker 4: can I add in my fragrance and some nice marketing 219 00:10:27,265 --> 00:10:28,825 Speaker 4: levels of ingredients and put their name on it. So 220 00:10:28,905 --> 00:10:30,505 Speaker 4: a lot of products made that way, and they're very 221 00:10:30,545 --> 00:10:31,905 Speaker 4: nice and you have them in your bathroom and you 222 00:10:32,065 --> 00:10:35,025 Speaker 4: try them and they feel lovely, and they might be basic, 223 00:10:35,065 --> 00:10:37,065 Speaker 4: good formulations from formulation houses. 224 00:10:37,145 --> 00:10:40,065 Speaker 3: But I never want to do skincare that way. You know. 225 00:10:40,145 --> 00:10:42,065 Speaker 4: I knew I didn't because I had tried so much 226 00:10:42,145 --> 00:10:47,265 Speaker 4: stuff and I felt I'd brought into a marketing dream there, 227 00:10:47,465 --> 00:10:50,905 Speaker 4: or I brought into something raw that was just too 228 00:10:50,985 --> 00:10:54,985 Speaker 4: unstable there. You know, it's like spent a few years. Yeah, 229 00:10:55,145 --> 00:10:55,945 Speaker 4: I did, I knew it. 230 00:10:55,985 --> 00:11:02,305 Speaker 3: I didn't want so much. Yeah. 231 00:11:02,905 --> 00:11:07,185 Speaker 2: You are quite open about being opposed to the anti 232 00:11:07,225 --> 00:11:08,105 Speaker 2: aging movements. 233 00:11:08,225 --> 00:11:09,345 Speaker 3: Yeah, which we love. 234 00:11:09,505 --> 00:11:13,065 Speaker 2: So what's your stance on aging and how we as 235 00:11:13,105 --> 00:11:15,705 Speaker 2: consumers can change the way that we think about and 236 00:11:15,745 --> 00:11:16,985 Speaker 2: how we're being marketed. 237 00:11:17,825 --> 00:11:20,825 Speaker 4: I think that what was interesting I had this conversation 238 00:11:20,905 --> 00:11:23,945 Speaker 4: with beauty journalists this morning at breakfast, because they've gone 239 00:11:23,945 --> 00:11:26,985 Speaker 4: to a lot of press things recently where it's like longevity. 240 00:11:27,145 --> 00:11:28,705 Speaker 4: You know, they're just taking the word from the supplements 241 00:11:28,705 --> 00:11:31,585 Speaker 4: industry frankly, and I think that's like not the new 242 00:11:31,625 --> 00:11:33,865 Speaker 4: word for antie. I hate the word anti aging, and 243 00:11:33,905 --> 00:11:35,905 Speaker 4: I don't like the word pro aging because what it's doing, 244 00:11:35,985 --> 00:11:38,385 Speaker 4: it's like saying I'm happy I'm aging. You know, there 245 00:11:38,385 --> 00:11:41,305 Speaker 4: are some women thinking fuck another line. But I also 246 00:11:41,425 --> 00:11:46,225 Speaker 4: believe that if one honestly looks in the mirror, you 247 00:11:46,305 --> 00:11:47,825 Speaker 4: only notice the other line. 248 00:11:47,625 --> 00:11:48,665 Speaker 3: If you feel tired. 249 00:11:49,345 --> 00:11:52,185 Speaker 4: Oh, you know, if you feel full of energy and 250 00:11:52,345 --> 00:11:56,305 Speaker 4: really kind of awakened by life. It doesn't matter if 251 00:11:56,345 --> 00:11:58,905 Speaker 4: you have another line or not. It it's irrelevant you 252 00:11:58,945 --> 00:12:01,665 Speaker 4: see life differently. So for us, it's how do we 253 00:12:01,745 --> 00:12:04,185 Speaker 4: make a woman feel full of energy? And how do 254 00:12:04,265 --> 00:12:07,105 Speaker 4: we give her things that will give her skin energy, 255 00:12:07,385 --> 00:12:10,625 Speaker 4: you know, And that's kind of how we believe in 256 00:12:10,665 --> 00:12:16,105 Speaker 4: a skincare philosophy. So I have, you know, saying on 257 00:12:16,145 --> 00:12:18,585 Speaker 4: my Instagram. My daughter finds it cringey, but I do 258 00:12:18,625 --> 00:12:21,345 Speaker 4: believe it strongly, and I go, age is irrelevant. 259 00:12:21,345 --> 00:12:22,505 Speaker 3: It's about the energy you bring. 260 00:12:22,865 --> 00:12:24,385 Speaker 1: Oh, I couldn't agree more. 261 00:12:24,465 --> 00:12:26,505 Speaker 4: So I think that's how I look at it. And 262 00:12:26,985 --> 00:12:29,065 Speaker 4: I think there's other words we've used occasionally as a 263 00:12:29,105 --> 00:12:31,865 Speaker 4: brand which only are relevant for a certain age group. 264 00:12:31,945 --> 00:12:34,745 Speaker 4: So we talk about agelessness, but that's kind of you know, 265 00:12:34,745 --> 00:12:36,545 Speaker 4: if you're thirty, you might cringe at that, and if 266 00:12:36,585 --> 00:12:38,305 Speaker 4: you're fifty, you'll go, yeah, I want to be ageless. 267 00:12:38,665 --> 00:12:42,465 Speaker 3: It has a different meaning for different people. So I just. 268 00:12:42,385 --> 00:12:45,785 Speaker 4: Feel that we want to give you solutions to how 269 00:12:45,825 --> 00:12:48,025 Speaker 4: you feel about your skin, but we're not judging you 270 00:12:48,065 --> 00:12:49,025 Speaker 4: by your age. 271 00:12:49,385 --> 00:12:51,385 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, No, that makes sense. 272 00:12:51,465 --> 00:12:55,185 Speaker 2: And I think ageless is so true now more than ever, 273 00:12:55,225 --> 00:12:58,025 Speaker 2: because sometimes I've got absolutely no idea. 274 00:12:57,665 --> 00:13:00,265 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, you could be twenty five or fifty five. 275 00:13:00,265 --> 00:13:01,905 Speaker 3: I Actually that's so true. 276 00:13:02,025 --> 00:13:04,425 Speaker 4: When I turned sixty, I remember I saw on this 277 00:13:04,465 --> 00:13:07,025 Speaker 4: morning show and somebody he's really a lovely guy, but 278 00:13:07,105 --> 00:13:09,065 Speaker 4: I just pulled him off on it. He said, try, 279 00:13:09,105 --> 00:13:13,825 Speaker 4: you looks so so amazing for your age. Okay, Ryan, 280 00:13:13,865 --> 00:13:14,545 Speaker 4: you could stop it. 281 00:13:14,585 --> 00:13:15,825 Speaker 3: You just look so amazing. Yeah. 282 00:13:16,025 --> 00:13:18,625 Speaker 4: I meet lots of women and they sometimes say, I'm 283 00:13:18,705 --> 00:13:20,545 Speaker 4: using your products and guess how old I am, you know, 284 00:13:20,585 --> 00:13:22,385 Speaker 4: because they want to show me look how much younger 285 00:13:22,425 --> 00:13:25,105 Speaker 4: I look because I'm using your products, and and I 286 00:13:25,145 --> 00:13:28,505 Speaker 4: go I sometimes would guess. And other times when they 287 00:13:28,505 --> 00:13:29,865 Speaker 4: say guess my age, I'll say I don't want to 288 00:13:29,905 --> 00:13:32,305 Speaker 4: because it's like, you just look somebody who's full of 289 00:13:32,385 --> 00:13:34,265 Speaker 4: energy and a life, and that's all I need to 290 00:13:34,305 --> 00:13:35,185 Speaker 4: know exactly. 291 00:13:35,505 --> 00:13:37,985 Speaker 2: And you've got beautiful skin. It doesn't matter how old 292 00:13:38,065 --> 00:13:40,065 Speaker 2: you are. Maybe we should start doing it to the 293 00:13:40,065 --> 00:13:40,825 Speaker 2: twenty year olds. 294 00:13:41,145 --> 00:13:41,425 Speaker 3: Maybe. 295 00:13:41,465 --> 00:13:43,225 Speaker 4: I mean, the thing is, we could talk about that now, 296 00:13:43,305 --> 00:13:47,145 Speaker 4: because I am so there's two or three things that 297 00:13:47,345 --> 00:13:50,705 Speaker 4: really upset not upset me, but just I find challenging 298 00:13:51,345 --> 00:13:55,225 Speaker 4: in the kind of younger beauty consumer space, which is 299 00:13:55,385 --> 00:13:58,385 Speaker 4: way too many ingredients for ages of skin. So like 300 00:13:59,505 --> 00:14:03,745 Speaker 4: using the scene, it's like whoa. And then there's kind 301 00:14:03,785 --> 00:14:07,425 Speaker 4: of beef tallow slugging, you know, things that you're going 302 00:14:07,465 --> 00:14:10,025 Speaker 4: to just you're just going to populate acting on skin 303 00:14:10,105 --> 00:14:12,945 Speaker 4: that's quite oily and it's got really active sabacious glands. 304 00:14:12,945 --> 00:14:15,025 Speaker 4: And you know, Lina came back and she was like, 305 00:14:15,425 --> 00:14:18,665 Speaker 4: what are you doing pief tallo TikTok saying, and I'm like, Lila, 306 00:14:19,265 --> 00:14:22,545 Speaker 4: this is like bovine collagen, which won't go in skin anyway. 307 00:14:22,545 --> 00:14:25,065 Speaker 3: It's just going to block your poorn. No. 308 00:14:25,825 --> 00:14:29,305 Speaker 1: So you're known for championing skin first. Make up. 309 00:14:29,385 --> 00:14:33,705 Speaker 2: Second, what is one skincare rule or makeup rule really 310 00:14:33,985 --> 00:14:37,265 Speaker 2: that you think everyone probably should break that you see. 311 00:14:37,545 --> 00:14:41,185 Speaker 4: I mean i'd say something that in makeup, I would say, 312 00:14:41,425 --> 00:14:43,065 Speaker 4: where the foundation the color of your skin. 313 00:14:43,065 --> 00:14:45,305 Speaker 3: Don't buy a foundation for the color is your skin you. 314 00:14:45,265 --> 00:14:48,225 Speaker 4: Wish it to be, which is what lots of people 315 00:14:48,305 --> 00:14:50,025 Speaker 4: do because they feel I'd like to be a bit 316 00:14:50,705 --> 00:14:53,865 Speaker 4: more tanned or just feel a bit more you know whatever. 317 00:14:53,945 --> 00:14:55,985 Speaker 4: But it's going to make me notice the foundation more. 318 00:14:56,345 --> 00:14:58,305 Speaker 4: And you know, if it's really the color of your skin, 319 00:14:58,345 --> 00:15:00,185 Speaker 4: then you can build on other stuff. 320 00:15:00,345 --> 00:15:01,865 Speaker 3: So that's a big one. 321 00:15:01,905 --> 00:15:04,745 Speaker 4: And also start where you have something you most want 322 00:15:04,745 --> 00:15:06,265 Speaker 4: to cover a lot of people just you see on 323 00:15:06,585 --> 00:15:08,865 Speaker 4: the Gram and TikTok, they're just start at their cheeks 324 00:15:08,865 --> 00:15:11,665 Speaker 4: and that's usually if somebody needs a least amount, and 325 00:15:11,665 --> 00:15:13,625 Speaker 4: I start in that te zone where there's a little 326 00:15:13,625 --> 00:15:15,985 Speaker 4: an evenness or a little redness. So that's my kind 327 00:15:15,985 --> 00:15:19,345 Speaker 4: of makeup moment. And I think with skin care, it's 328 00:15:19,985 --> 00:15:22,545 Speaker 4: your best friend. Skin is not your skin, and so 329 00:15:22,585 --> 00:15:25,265 Speaker 4: many people buy something because their best friend goes, this 330 00:15:25,385 --> 00:15:29,545 Speaker 4: is amazing, and they buy it. Some people don't really 331 00:15:30,265 --> 00:15:32,265 Speaker 4: know as much as they might think they know. 332 00:15:32,425 --> 00:15:34,785 Speaker 2: They think they know a lot because of TikTok and 333 00:15:35,465 --> 00:15:38,625 Speaker 2: Facebook and that they read an article that they don't 334 00:15:38,665 --> 00:15:41,025 Speaker 2: actually and then they're sort of passing on advice that 335 00:15:41,105 --> 00:15:43,745 Speaker 2: might not necessarily be accurate, yeah. 336 00:15:43,585 --> 00:15:45,745 Speaker 3: Or using something for their skin which they shouldn't use. 337 00:15:45,745 --> 00:15:47,505 Speaker 4: Because you and I had that sort of acne journey, 338 00:15:47,505 --> 00:15:49,945 Speaker 4: so we always felt on the past discovery's pay. Why 339 00:15:49,985 --> 00:15:53,905 Speaker 4: you became you know, a use direct because interesting Susanna, 340 00:15:53,945 --> 00:15:56,545 Speaker 4: who I work with for many years, had the skin 341 00:15:56,665 --> 00:15:59,145 Speaker 4: like peaches and cream, classic baby skin. So for her, 342 00:15:59,865 --> 00:16:02,705 Speaker 4: she'd you know, would where everywhere around the world will 343 00:16:02,745 --> 00:16:04,665 Speaker 4: work here happened to you and then she'd like have 344 00:16:04,705 --> 00:16:06,985 Speaker 4: a drink or drinks and then go to bed in 345 00:16:06,985 --> 00:16:09,945 Speaker 4: her makeup, get out next morning, and she'd watch as 346 00:16:09,945 --> 00:16:12,745 Speaker 4: she was falling asleep, and you were spending twenty minutes 347 00:16:12,785 --> 00:16:13,705 Speaker 4: getting ready for the evening. 348 00:16:13,745 --> 00:16:15,905 Speaker 3: I mean, that's so much time. What are you doing? 349 00:16:15,985 --> 00:16:16,145 Speaker 3: You know? 350 00:16:16,185 --> 00:16:20,425 Speaker 4: And I was obsessive, and I thought, you know, sometimes 351 00:16:20,465 --> 00:16:21,985 Speaker 4: I thought, God, I'm so like but I just I 352 00:16:22,025 --> 00:16:24,905 Speaker 4: wanted to look after her skin. Anyway, she turned us 353 00:16:24,905 --> 00:16:26,665 Speaker 4: out in age and she caught me up. She went, 354 00:16:26,705 --> 00:16:29,465 Speaker 4: torn me, what the fuck give me the list? My 355 00:16:29,545 --> 00:16:32,985 Speaker 4: face fallen apart, literally, And there are so I think 356 00:16:32,985 --> 00:16:36,385 Speaker 4: there's two extreme variations of women. There's people who experiment 357 00:16:36,425 --> 00:16:39,025 Speaker 4: with every single thing because they've had to go through 358 00:16:39,385 --> 00:16:42,665 Speaker 4: roseta or some inflammation of the skin. And then there's 359 00:16:42,665 --> 00:16:46,025 Speaker 4: people have had immaculate skin and then overnight it's like 360 00:16:46,025 --> 00:16:47,905 Speaker 4: the Nora Efron book, What Happened to my neck? 361 00:16:47,985 --> 00:16:50,185 Speaker 3: You know, it's like, oh, and. 362 00:16:50,265 --> 00:16:53,185 Speaker 2: They're asking their other friends please help, because I've got 363 00:16:53,225 --> 00:16:55,625 Speaker 2: no idea what's going on? Can you please tell us 364 00:16:55,665 --> 00:16:58,065 Speaker 2: more about the match to me for makeup and skin 365 00:16:58,105 --> 00:16:59,345 Speaker 2: get How does it actually work? 366 00:16:59,825 --> 00:17:00,025 Speaker 3: Well? 367 00:17:00,025 --> 00:17:03,625 Speaker 4: It started off when I was starting the business that well. 368 00:17:03,665 --> 00:17:06,345 Speaker 4: Even before then, when I was doing TV in different countries, 369 00:17:06,385 --> 00:17:10,185 Speaker 4: every makeup artist would do the same look, you know, 370 00:17:10,265 --> 00:17:12,225 Speaker 4: and they would it could be somebody of eighteen or 371 00:17:12,225 --> 00:17:15,145 Speaker 4: seventeen with a different skin, hair and eye and always 372 00:17:15,265 --> 00:17:16,825 Speaker 4: you know, when we were building out for the Catwalk 373 00:17:16,865 --> 00:17:18,425 Speaker 4: Show and there were like twenty women in the room 374 00:17:18,465 --> 00:17:19,865 Speaker 4: and it was frenetic, and I'll go and I think, 375 00:17:19,905 --> 00:17:23,505 Speaker 4: oh fuck, all in action, all read littlebol and I'd like, 376 00:17:23,545 --> 00:17:25,225 Speaker 4: look at the skin hare and I she suits it, 377 00:17:25,265 --> 00:17:27,625 Speaker 4: but she doesn't suit it. And there was this sort 378 00:17:27,625 --> 00:17:29,785 Speaker 4: of over the years of this, which is about five 379 00:17:29,825 --> 00:17:32,105 Speaker 4: years doing the show. When I was testing all the 380 00:17:32,185 --> 00:17:35,105 Speaker 4: makeup and the colors, I had this big graph on 381 00:17:35,105 --> 00:17:37,465 Speaker 4: the wall and I had people come in and they 382 00:17:37,505 --> 00:17:39,065 Speaker 4: would I take a polar I'd put them on and 383 00:17:39,065 --> 00:17:41,545 Speaker 4: think what do they suit? So of the eighty colors 384 00:17:41,545 --> 00:17:43,945 Speaker 4: were going to produce what are their best and what 385 00:17:43,985 --> 00:17:45,665 Speaker 4: are their worst? And then it was the process of 386 00:17:45,665 --> 00:17:49,465 Speaker 4: elimination patterns emerge and then we put that into an algorithm. 387 00:17:49,785 --> 00:17:52,145 Speaker 4: So for makeup then it was this thing of your 388 00:17:52,185 --> 00:17:54,705 Speaker 4: colors that you suit is really about the combination your skin, hair, 389 00:17:54,745 --> 00:17:56,545 Speaker 4: and eye, and that puts you from cool, call neutral 390 00:17:56,625 --> 00:17:59,345 Speaker 4: neutral neutral, more warmth and then it makes it simple. 391 00:17:59,465 --> 00:18:02,825 Speaker 4: And then about a year ago we added to the 392 00:18:02,865 --> 00:18:05,425 Speaker 4: makeup match to me the colors you suit for clothing, 393 00:18:05,425 --> 00:18:07,985 Speaker 4: because lots of people were saying, you know, I want 394 00:18:08,025 --> 00:18:09,545 Speaker 4: to get ready with you in the morning, so can 395 00:18:09,585 --> 00:18:12,145 Speaker 4: you tell me more. And in a book I did 396 00:18:12,225 --> 00:18:14,065 Speaker 4: last year called Feel Us, I had done some more 397 00:18:14,185 --> 00:18:18,105 Speaker 4: stuff on color. So then it shows you the color 398 00:18:18,145 --> 00:18:20,345 Speaker 4: you suit on your clothing, and if you like that color, you. 399 00:18:20,385 --> 00:18:20,745 Speaker 3: Click on it. 400 00:18:20,745 --> 00:18:23,025 Speaker 4: Because we don't all like the rainbow of colors. You know, 401 00:18:24,025 --> 00:18:26,785 Speaker 4: it shows you complemented in contrasting. So trying to teach 402 00:18:26,825 --> 00:18:29,345 Speaker 4: you about color is really important for me, you know 403 00:18:29,425 --> 00:18:31,745 Speaker 4: that just that tell me how to put the balance 404 00:18:31,745 --> 00:18:33,145 Speaker 4: if I wear a red lip, should I wear a 405 00:18:33,145 --> 00:18:36,225 Speaker 4: pinky blusher or lots of bush or no blusher? 406 00:18:36,345 --> 00:18:37,385 Speaker 3: You know that stuff. 407 00:18:37,945 --> 00:18:41,985 Speaker 4: So on skincare different slightly still taking many women. So 408 00:18:42,065 --> 00:18:43,825 Speaker 4: we took a lot of women that we were doing 409 00:18:43,825 --> 00:18:46,305 Speaker 4: clinicals on for all the products we were developing, because 410 00:18:46,305 --> 00:18:49,185 Speaker 4: they're all over a few years developed, and looked at 411 00:18:49,185 --> 00:18:50,985 Speaker 4: what are the different things that come up, you know, 412 00:18:51,185 --> 00:18:53,745 Speaker 4: sort of from the effect hormones on you, the effect 413 00:18:53,745 --> 00:18:57,865 Speaker 4: of your age, your ethnicity, your kind of tendency of 414 00:18:57,905 --> 00:19:01,105 Speaker 4: how you've had your skin diagnosed. Because you know, somebody 415 00:19:01,145 --> 00:19:02,785 Speaker 4: comes up to me and goes, I got a combination skin, 416 00:19:02,825 --> 00:19:05,305 Speaker 4: and I go, you're driving hydrated. How on earth did 417 00:19:05,305 --> 00:19:06,905 Speaker 4: you get that definition? And I said, what do you 418 00:19:06,905 --> 00:19:11,985 Speaker 4: think combination means? And they go really dry or just normal? 419 00:19:12,145 --> 00:19:13,985 Speaker 4: And I go, no, it doesn't mean that. So we 420 00:19:14,105 --> 00:19:16,465 Speaker 4: put a combination and what it means, and then there's 421 00:19:16,505 --> 00:19:18,425 Speaker 4: a video if you think I don't know what it means. 422 00:19:18,665 --> 00:19:21,945 Speaker 4: So I think skincare is really really confusing for people, 423 00:19:21,985 --> 00:19:23,665 Speaker 4: and you have to deal with the breadth of somebody 424 00:19:23,705 --> 00:19:26,785 Speaker 4: who's literally grown up with wash their faces soap and 425 00:19:26,785 --> 00:19:28,985 Speaker 4: put some moisturizer on, maybe some SPF two. 426 00:19:29,625 --> 00:19:31,465 Speaker 3: I love the Korean seventh seventh step. 427 00:19:31,385 --> 00:19:32,905 Speaker 1: And the ten year olds are using written now. 428 00:19:33,105 --> 00:19:35,225 Speaker 4: Well they're not. Please don't come to that our side, 429 00:19:35,265 --> 00:19:38,185 Speaker 4: because don't okay. In fact, I think we don't let 430 00:19:38,225 --> 00:19:40,065 Speaker 4: you put an agent that's under twenty one or so, 431 00:19:40,225 --> 00:19:43,385 Speaker 4: you know, literally, and so in this, you know, in 432 00:19:43,425 --> 00:19:45,225 Speaker 4: this kind of thing you fill in, we say what 433 00:19:45,265 --> 00:19:47,345 Speaker 4: are the three things that really you look at? And 434 00:19:47,385 --> 00:19:48,745 Speaker 4: you think I want to deal with that. So it 435 00:19:48,825 --> 00:19:50,065 Speaker 4: might be you look and all you see is your 436 00:19:50,145 --> 00:19:52,185 Speaker 4: dark circle, or you look in all you see as malasmo, 437 00:19:52,265 --> 00:19:53,785 Speaker 4: So what are those three? And then it makes you 438 00:19:53,825 --> 00:19:56,585 Speaker 4: focus on what are those three? And then in another 439 00:19:56,625 --> 00:19:59,185 Speaker 4: thing we say, of those three, which one is like 440 00:19:59,225 --> 00:20:00,385 Speaker 4: the one that never goes away? 441 00:20:00,705 --> 00:20:01,985 Speaker 1: Simplifying it for people. 442 00:20:02,105 --> 00:20:03,665 Speaker 4: Yeah, and then you can think, you know, I've only 443 00:20:03,665 --> 00:20:05,585 Speaker 4: got this much money per month. So and a lot 444 00:20:05,625 --> 00:20:07,585 Speaker 4: of people have said in my routine, what's the thing 445 00:20:07,625 --> 00:20:10,585 Speaker 4: that will really change? And I'm like, I can't tell 446 00:20:10,625 --> 00:20:12,385 Speaker 4: you that until I know what's the most important thing 447 00:20:12,425 --> 00:20:13,025 Speaker 4: to you as well. 448 00:20:13,425 --> 00:20:16,065 Speaker 1: So, because it's different for. 449 00:20:15,425 --> 00:20:18,905 Speaker 4: Everyone, and even if you can't afford to buy from us, 450 00:20:19,305 --> 00:20:21,985 Speaker 4: we put in why we chose that for you and 451 00:20:22,025 --> 00:20:25,225 Speaker 4: what ingredients in it are relevant to your problem. So 452 00:20:25,305 --> 00:20:27,225 Speaker 4: it's a form of education too. 453 00:20:27,145 --> 00:20:29,265 Speaker 1: Because they could then they could then like, if they're. 454 00:20:29,145 --> 00:20:31,425 Speaker 4: Thinking, I don't have the money, go and find something 455 00:20:31,425 --> 00:20:33,505 Speaker 4: where you can buy some singular ingredients that you know 456 00:20:33,545 --> 00:20:35,505 Speaker 4: will have a positive effect on your skin that. 457 00:20:35,585 --> 00:20:37,865 Speaker 1: Is really brilliant and so useful for everyone. 458 00:20:37,985 --> 00:20:44,265 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I'm definitely going to do it for the colors. 459 00:20:45,465 --> 00:20:48,345 Speaker 2: Can we talk about achieving the perfect glow, because you 460 00:20:48,785 --> 00:20:51,745 Speaker 2: say that women either go way too glowy or completely matt. 461 00:20:52,225 --> 00:20:54,945 Speaker 1: How do you find that sweet spot? Is there a 462 00:20:55,025 --> 00:20:57,265 Speaker 1: rule that we could all follow. I'm definitely a two 463 00:20:57,345 --> 00:20:58,625 Speaker 1: glowy gal because I love it. 464 00:20:58,705 --> 00:20:59,265 Speaker 3: I love glow. 465 00:20:59,305 --> 00:21:01,145 Speaker 4: I think it depends the decade in which you learned 466 00:21:01,145 --> 00:21:02,865 Speaker 4: to do make up, because if you were sort of 467 00:21:02,905 --> 00:21:06,145 Speaker 4: a nineties girl, maybe it was really Matt and Naught 468 00:21:06,145 --> 00:21:08,985 Speaker 4: easily begun to have that experience of highlight or and glow. 469 00:21:09,145 --> 00:21:12,665 Speaker 3: But for me, it's that it reflects light. 470 00:21:12,905 --> 00:21:14,905 Speaker 4: Glow reflects light, and if it hasn't got micker in it, 471 00:21:14,945 --> 00:21:19,025 Speaker 4: and it's glow from actual skink ingredients and not from highlighter, 472 00:21:19,585 --> 00:21:23,385 Speaker 4: and you can get that on your skin first, that's fantastic. 473 00:21:23,545 --> 00:21:26,065 Speaker 4: But if you have a skin that feels it needs 474 00:21:26,145 --> 00:21:28,865 Speaker 4: to look like it has a great skin carotine, then 475 00:21:29,065 --> 00:21:33,105 Speaker 4: it's about getting ingredients that are very There's a sheene, 476 00:21:33,425 --> 00:21:36,825 Speaker 4: but not a shimmer on cheeks. So I don't like 477 00:21:37,425 --> 00:21:40,585 Speaker 4: where you see the products particles. I like that when 478 00:21:40,625 --> 00:21:44,665 Speaker 4: you turn you have that really wonderful catch, the sense 479 00:21:44,745 --> 00:21:48,465 Speaker 4: of the glow on their skin. If skin is reflecting light, 480 00:21:48,585 --> 00:21:49,825 Speaker 4: it's because it's healthy skin. 481 00:21:50,225 --> 00:21:54,785 Speaker 3: So we associate it with healthiness and vitality and vitality 482 00:21:54,825 --> 00:21:55,385 Speaker 3: and life. 483 00:21:55,585 --> 00:21:57,825 Speaker 2: If you could create a what not to wear equivalent 484 00:21:57,865 --> 00:22:00,705 Speaker 2: for beauty trends, like a beauty trend intervention, Now what 485 00:22:00,785 --> 00:22:01,745 Speaker 2: trend would you ban? 486 00:22:01,945 --> 00:22:03,545 Speaker 1: And why you can have a few or few? 487 00:22:03,985 --> 00:22:09,865 Speaker 4: Okay, beauty trend intervention slugging beef tallow kind of you 488 00:22:09,865 --> 00:22:12,865 Speaker 4: know when people do these really complex things on TikTok 489 00:22:12,905 --> 00:22:14,985 Speaker 4: about how to put your makeup on, you know, and 490 00:22:15,065 --> 00:22:17,825 Speaker 4: using crazy tool you know, like kitchen utensils to make 491 00:22:17,865 --> 00:22:19,185 Speaker 4: a line like just you know. 492 00:22:19,145 --> 00:22:21,385 Speaker 1: They're doing it for the views. There are sure they're 493 00:22:21,385 --> 00:22:22,025 Speaker 1: sitting at home. 494 00:22:22,065 --> 00:22:23,225 Speaker 3: Actually I'm sure they're not. 495 00:22:23,265 --> 00:22:25,545 Speaker 4: And there's a very funny womanhere you work with called 496 00:22:25,625 --> 00:22:28,665 Speaker 4: Jenevieve Turley, and she's she's been a nurse and then 497 00:22:28,705 --> 00:22:30,665 Speaker 4: she started doing makeup. She's really such a sweet one, 498 00:22:30,705 --> 00:22:33,225 Speaker 4: but she takes a piss out of those TikTok so beautifully. 499 00:22:33,545 --> 00:22:34,625 Speaker 4: It's so funny to watch. 500 00:22:34,665 --> 00:22:36,265 Speaker 1: And they're shedding ones in the morning. 501 00:22:36,465 --> 00:22:39,265 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm going to say into that derma planing. 502 00:22:39,945 --> 00:22:41,425 Speaker 1: Oh you don't like it. 503 00:22:41,545 --> 00:22:48,185 Speaker 4: No, Oh, it's shaving, it's shaving, it's cutting your hair raw. Okay, 504 00:22:48,305 --> 00:22:52,065 Speaker 4: so it's shaving it. And I think that some people, 505 00:22:52,105 --> 00:22:54,505 Speaker 4: when I've sort of been quite vocal about this, they said, oh, yeah, 506 00:22:54,545 --> 00:22:56,505 Speaker 4: but it's just taking off the baby fluffy things. But 507 00:22:56,585 --> 00:22:59,305 Speaker 4: the thing is that's if you're using it in your thirties. 508 00:22:59,305 --> 00:23:02,865 Speaker 4: But if you're using it in your cherrymnopausal menopausal, you've 509 00:23:02,905 --> 00:23:04,945 Speaker 4: got coarse hair there. And if you cut it like 510 00:23:05,025 --> 00:23:07,465 Speaker 4: you cut a razor, which is what it is. It's 511 00:23:07,505 --> 00:23:10,025 Speaker 4: a blade. You're not pulling it out by the root, 512 00:23:10,185 --> 00:23:13,825 Speaker 4: which weakens it and then softens your those little granny 513 00:23:13,865 --> 00:23:16,185 Speaker 4: hairs that come in as it were in your forties fifties. 514 00:23:16,625 --> 00:23:19,185 Speaker 2: I'm actually I am still in my thirties and shaving 515 00:23:19,225 --> 00:23:19,625 Speaker 2: my face. 516 00:23:19,665 --> 00:23:20,505 Speaker 1: I didn't think about that. 517 00:23:20,785 --> 00:23:22,825 Speaker 4: I think it's an age thing because I know it's 518 00:23:22,865 --> 00:23:25,585 Speaker 4: not great when you get to a different AGEA that. 519 00:23:25,545 --> 00:23:27,585 Speaker 2: Actually does make sense, though, but I have already started 520 00:23:27,585 --> 00:23:29,265 Speaker 2: getting the little ground that you just feel out of it. 521 00:23:29,225 --> 00:23:30,585 Speaker 3: It's just like you kind of do. 522 00:23:30,625 --> 00:23:32,425 Speaker 4: You find yourself at dinner and you're just going just 523 00:23:32,505 --> 00:23:33,465 Speaker 4: like it has to come out. 524 00:23:33,505 --> 00:23:34,745 Speaker 1: As soon as I can feel it. 525 00:23:35,025 --> 00:23:37,265 Speaker 2: I'm like, you must come out right now, because I 526 00:23:37,305 --> 00:23:39,505 Speaker 2: just can't stop playing with it. And I'm so aware 527 00:23:39,745 --> 00:23:42,185 Speaker 2: of all of a sudden and then it's like this awful, 528 00:23:42,305 --> 00:23:46,465 Speaker 2: coarse long hair with did you come what's one beauty 529 00:23:46,505 --> 00:23:48,905 Speaker 2: trend from the past that you'd love to see make 530 00:23:48,945 --> 00:23:49,425 Speaker 2: a comeback? 531 00:23:49,545 --> 00:23:51,305 Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's I've never been asked that. 532 00:23:51,705 --> 00:23:56,865 Speaker 4: I think when you look at the beauty of nineteen 533 00:23:56,905 --> 00:23:59,625 Speaker 4: forties black and white films, which we've seen in that 534 00:23:59,705 --> 00:24:02,265 Speaker 4: sort of till release Eldridge thing, you know, there's a 535 00:24:03,065 --> 00:24:07,265 Speaker 4: certain ultra feminist thing, and I think it's been done 536 00:24:07,265 --> 00:24:09,585 Speaker 4: again with a lot of bronzer, and I loved it 537 00:24:09,785 --> 00:24:14,145 Speaker 4: when it was very pad back, and now things are 538 00:24:14,145 --> 00:24:17,225 Speaker 4: slightly blurred, which I like that. There's sometimes that look 539 00:24:17,385 --> 00:24:18,785 Speaker 4: has been done with a lot of ronza, and I 540 00:24:18,825 --> 00:24:20,865 Speaker 4: think it took away the beauty of the look. 541 00:24:21,025 --> 00:24:27,105 Speaker 2: So let's move into your bathroom cabinet, because you your 542 00:24:27,105 --> 00:24:28,945 Speaker 2: skin is just so beautiful. 543 00:24:29,825 --> 00:24:31,865 Speaker 3: I feel it's like had a few tire days, but 544 00:24:31,905 --> 00:24:32,545 Speaker 3: thank you. 545 00:24:32,345 --> 00:24:34,665 Speaker 2: No, it's so beautiful. Can you walk us through what's 546 00:24:34,705 --> 00:24:38,185 Speaker 2: in your bathroom cabinet and what your routine looks like? 547 00:24:38,425 --> 00:24:42,665 Speaker 4: Okay, so I wherever I am, I take the same thing, 548 00:24:42,745 --> 00:24:44,865 Speaker 4: so I never compromise my routine. 549 00:24:44,905 --> 00:24:46,145 Speaker 3: So we do travel. 550 00:24:45,985 --> 00:24:48,105 Speaker 5: Stuckible ones, and I love that you're wearing one as 551 00:24:48,145 --> 00:24:50,865 Speaker 5: a ring too. Yep, that's but we have skincare ones too, 552 00:24:51,025 --> 00:24:53,425 Speaker 5: like that's stack too. So I will always do in 553 00:24:53,465 --> 00:24:56,065 Speaker 5: the morning an hapha cleanser, and I'll do it with 554 00:24:56,105 --> 00:24:58,745 Speaker 5: a four years sometimes because I like to just leave 555 00:24:58,785 --> 00:25:00,465 Speaker 5: it on because it's like a sort of mini mask. 556 00:25:00,625 --> 00:25:01,625 Speaker 3: And then I'll do that. 557 00:25:01,865 --> 00:25:04,145 Speaker 4: And then if I'm traveling, and I do this a 558 00:25:04,185 --> 00:25:06,265 Speaker 4: lot more, I take a bucket of ice and I 559 00:25:06,345 --> 00:25:07,385 Speaker 4: put my face in the ice. 560 00:25:07,545 --> 00:25:09,025 Speaker 1: Ooh, that's one way to wake up. 561 00:25:09,105 --> 00:25:10,265 Speaker 3: Yeah, really wakes you up. 562 00:25:10,265 --> 00:25:11,825 Speaker 4: And then sometimes I take some of that extra eyes 563 00:25:11,865 --> 00:25:13,745 Speaker 4: and I go in the shower and I do you know, 564 00:25:13,785 --> 00:25:17,345 Speaker 4: I just rub it on my skin. And then I 565 00:25:17,385 --> 00:25:20,265 Speaker 4: also do the five lymph wake up. So I'll do 566 00:25:20,745 --> 00:25:23,825 Speaker 4: the tapping, you know, just just pumping under by your 567 00:25:23,905 --> 00:25:26,145 Speaker 4: chest between your chest plate and your clavical and then 568 00:25:26,185 --> 00:25:29,305 Speaker 4: I'll go front and back of your lymph nodes around 569 00:25:29,345 --> 00:25:32,225 Speaker 4: your ear. I'll do the back just down you know, 570 00:25:32,265 --> 00:25:33,905 Speaker 4: the back of the top of your spine, and then 571 00:25:33,945 --> 00:25:36,825 Speaker 4: I'll do under my armpits, stomach, in a thigh and 572 00:25:36,985 --> 00:25:40,225 Speaker 4: back of knees. And then I jump for sixty seconds 573 00:25:40,305 --> 00:25:42,425 Speaker 4: because it kind of gets your limp flowing. 574 00:25:42,425 --> 00:25:44,465 Speaker 2: So that's why, I guess really gets your heart, so 575 00:25:44,705 --> 00:25:48,625 Speaker 2: it just gets the flow of energy going in your body. 576 00:25:49,185 --> 00:25:52,545 Speaker 4: And then I'll do exfoliant PHA in the morning, and 577 00:25:52,585 --> 00:25:55,465 Speaker 4: then I do a peptide hyeronic or plump up, which 578 00:25:55,505 --> 00:25:58,705 Speaker 4: is one of ours and a new thing I can't 579 00:25:58,745 --> 00:26:02,145 Speaker 4: talk about, yeah, which I'm doing, and then if in 580 00:26:02,225 --> 00:26:03,945 Speaker 4: some I go straight to SPF. We have one called 581 00:26:03,985 --> 00:26:05,665 Speaker 4: See the Light we don't sell here yet, which I 582 00:26:05,705 --> 00:26:09,425 Speaker 4: hope we will soon, which is a phenomenal fifty but 583 00:26:09,705 --> 00:26:13,105 Speaker 4: really hydrating. And in the winter I'll do probably one 584 00:26:13,145 --> 00:26:16,225 Speaker 4: of our moisturizers and then beff Skin effector, which is 585 00:26:16,265 --> 00:26:18,985 Speaker 4: a thirty, and then I just go on to I 586 00:26:19,065 --> 00:26:21,785 Speaker 4: might do a lip chicken eye really quickly. I might 587 00:26:21,825 --> 00:26:24,265 Speaker 4: do Trinity, which is this kind of stick which is 588 00:26:24,305 --> 00:26:26,705 Speaker 4: matt one end and glow the other, depending on how 589 00:26:26,785 --> 00:26:28,625 Speaker 4: quick I've then got to get out the house, you know, 590 00:26:29,025 --> 00:26:32,145 Speaker 4: And then in the evening I will do double cleansing, 591 00:26:32,385 --> 00:26:34,905 Speaker 4: and it's a ritual. I'll get home and I'll have 592 00:26:34,945 --> 00:26:37,945 Speaker 4: that real sense between the mannickness of my day at 593 00:26:37,945 --> 00:26:40,465 Speaker 4: the office and then coming back and I'll really take 594 00:26:40,505 --> 00:26:42,665 Speaker 4: time and just have that. Even if I'm going up 595 00:26:42,705 --> 00:26:44,865 Speaker 4: for dinner, I'll do a cleanse before I go. 596 00:26:44,905 --> 00:26:45,305 Speaker 3: Afternner. 597 00:26:45,345 --> 00:26:47,865 Speaker 4: I never if I'm going straight from the office to dinner, 598 00:26:47,905 --> 00:26:50,745 Speaker 4: I'll just put BFF all over smudging and it wakes 599 00:26:50,745 --> 00:26:53,465 Speaker 4: my face up. But otherwise I'll go home, take everything off, 600 00:26:53,665 --> 00:26:55,905 Speaker 4: put it on again, because I just feel it separates 601 00:26:55,945 --> 00:26:56,425 Speaker 4: out my day. 602 00:26:56,585 --> 00:26:58,305 Speaker 2: When when you know what you're doing, you can do 603 00:26:58,345 --> 00:27:00,585 Speaker 2: it quite. Yeah, it can be some Sometimes people say, 604 00:27:00,665 --> 00:27:01,505 Speaker 2: doesn't it take a long time? 605 00:27:01,705 --> 00:27:03,505 Speaker 3: No, four minutes. 606 00:27:03,985 --> 00:27:06,745 Speaker 2: I can be very quick if I can also take my. 607 00:27:06,745 --> 00:27:09,105 Speaker 4: Time, but yeah, but otherwise I can, And then I 608 00:27:09,185 --> 00:27:14,145 Speaker 4: do I alternate every three nights three different things. So 609 00:27:14,385 --> 00:27:17,305 Speaker 4: one night I'll do a PHA and then I'll do 610 00:27:17,625 --> 00:27:21,785 Speaker 4: some microneedling, and then i'll do plump up, which is 611 00:27:21,905 --> 00:27:25,785 Speaker 4: peptides they going deeply, and then maybe I'm going to 612 00:27:25,825 --> 00:27:28,305 Speaker 4: be really candid, I'll do if my skin's really very strong, 613 00:27:28,305 --> 00:27:32,225 Speaker 4: I'll do a retinoid but it's our overnight clarity, and 614 00:27:32,265 --> 00:27:35,225 Speaker 4: then something called alyxia. And then the next night I'll 615 00:27:35,225 --> 00:27:37,665 Speaker 4: do an AHA, but I won't do the retinoid and 616 00:27:37,705 --> 00:27:40,225 Speaker 4: I won't do the micro needling, and then the third 617 00:27:40,305 --> 00:27:43,225 Speaker 4: night I might just do plump up and micro needling. 618 00:27:43,305 --> 00:27:45,985 Speaker 4: So for about two months, I'll do this every three 619 00:27:46,105 --> 00:27:48,145 Speaker 4: nights micro kneadling, and then I'll stop. 620 00:27:48,625 --> 00:27:50,185 Speaker 1: And do you notice the difference we're doing it? 621 00:27:50,305 --> 00:27:52,025 Speaker 3: Huge difference, especially. 622 00:27:52,065 --> 00:27:56,065 Speaker 4: On places where you really it's very difficult to get 623 00:27:56,145 --> 00:27:58,185 Speaker 4: things into your skin, so on your neck because there's 624 00:27:58,225 --> 00:28:01,945 Speaker 4: no supacious clans and our next suddenly when we have 625 00:28:01,985 --> 00:28:04,985 Speaker 4: hormonial changes, you really like overnight, notice a change. So 626 00:28:05,305 --> 00:28:07,265 Speaker 4: if I do, I do this criss crossing with a 627 00:28:07,345 --> 00:28:11,265 Speaker 4: zero point five needle on my neck and the roller. Yeah, 628 00:28:11,465 --> 00:28:13,385 Speaker 4: we make a micro needle. Oh okay, how we do 629 00:28:13,425 --> 00:28:15,505 Speaker 4: with zero point three for America and a zero point 630 00:28:15,505 --> 00:28:18,785 Speaker 4: five worldwide here or two? And then I do peptides 631 00:28:18,785 --> 00:28:22,265 Speaker 4: because peptides. We have six incredible peptides and they are 632 00:28:22,985 --> 00:28:25,225 Speaker 4: I think the best thing post a micro needed want 633 00:28:25,225 --> 00:28:28,625 Speaker 4: any fragrance near it or anything. You're creating a channel 634 00:28:28,625 --> 00:28:30,465 Speaker 4: for product to go in. But on a zero point five, 635 00:28:30,505 --> 00:28:33,025 Speaker 4: I think you're also micro tearing the skin a tiny bit, 636 00:28:33,105 --> 00:28:35,665 Speaker 4: so it does that self repair its We only really 637 00:28:35,705 --> 00:28:39,665 Speaker 4: produce collagen after our thirties. If we're reacting to you know, 638 00:28:39,705 --> 00:28:43,705 Speaker 4: some damage damage to our skin. So on that level, 639 00:28:43,705 --> 00:28:46,665 Speaker 4: I think it's fantastic and not to be scared of it. 640 00:28:46,705 --> 00:28:48,585 Speaker 4: I don't put huge pressure on it. It's not like 641 00:28:48,625 --> 00:28:50,385 Speaker 4: going to a dermatologist and getting them to do it 642 00:28:50,425 --> 00:28:53,705 Speaker 4: with a one needle. But it is really really effective. 643 00:28:53,865 --> 00:28:54,385 Speaker 3: I love it. 644 00:28:54,785 --> 00:28:57,105 Speaker 1: Do you get the professional needling treatments? 645 00:28:57,265 --> 00:28:57,305 Speaker 2: No? 646 00:28:57,505 --> 00:29:01,065 Speaker 3: I find actually doing it in this routine that I do. 647 00:29:01,145 --> 00:29:03,465 Speaker 3: I don't. I haven't had one for about five years. 648 00:29:03,545 --> 00:29:04,025 Speaker 1: Oh wow. 649 00:29:05,065 --> 00:29:07,545 Speaker 2: If Triny London were a woman at a party, how 650 00:29:07,585 --> 00:29:08,545 Speaker 2: would you describe her? 651 00:29:08,985 --> 00:29:12,305 Speaker 4: I would say she's the good, loyal friend to other women, 652 00:29:12,905 --> 00:29:13,625 Speaker 4: A girl's girl. 653 00:29:13,785 --> 00:29:16,825 Speaker 3: She's a girl for sure. She is so a girl's girl. 654 00:29:17,145 --> 00:29:19,705 Speaker 1: One last question, and it's a bit of a dream scenario. 655 00:29:19,985 --> 00:29:25,825 Speaker 2: If you could style anyone beauty and fashion dead or alive, 656 00:29:25,865 --> 00:29:26,785 Speaker 2: who would it be and why? 657 00:29:27,625 --> 00:29:29,265 Speaker 4: I think it's a woman who's gone through a really 658 00:29:29,345 --> 00:29:31,545 Speaker 4: tough time and lost herself, and it's not somebody famous 659 00:29:32,225 --> 00:29:33,745 Speaker 4: because they can get all the help they need from 660 00:29:33,745 --> 00:29:34,665 Speaker 4: somebody else exactly. 661 00:29:34,785 --> 00:29:36,065 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's such a good answer. 662 00:29:36,625 --> 00:29:38,905 Speaker 2: And as someone who I very much so lost to 663 00:29:38,945 --> 00:29:43,585 Speaker 2: myself postpartum, feeling myself come back to life has been 664 00:29:44,225 --> 00:29:47,265 Speaker 2: one of the biggest privileges of being myself, if that 665 00:29:47,265 --> 00:29:47,625 Speaker 2: makes sense. 666 00:29:47,705 --> 00:29:48,825 Speaker 3: Yeah, just to find yourself again. 667 00:29:48,905 --> 00:29:49,545 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. 668 00:29:50,025 --> 00:29:53,425 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, thank you so much. I have so many 669 00:29:53,425 --> 00:29:56,065 Speaker 2: more questions for you, but you're a very busy woman. 670 00:29:56,105 --> 00:29:59,265 Speaker 2: You've spoken to nine hundred how many was it nine hundred? 671 00:30:02,065 --> 00:30:04,705 Speaker 2: We are just so grateful that you gave us time 672 00:30:05,865 --> 00:30:09,505 Speaker 2: that you VI's a going to just eat this. 673 00:30:09,945 --> 00:30:10,945 Speaker 1: We're going to love it so much. 674 00:30:11,065 --> 00:30:12,625 Speaker 3: So thank you, thank you very much. 675 00:30:13,105 --> 00:30:15,625 Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much, Trinny. That was just what 676 00:30:15,745 --> 00:30:18,625 Speaker 2: a treat. It was absolutely brilliant. You've given us all 677 00:30:18,665 --> 00:30:21,065 Speaker 2: so much to think about. And of course you can 678 00:30:21,105 --> 00:30:24,905 Speaker 2: find the Trinny London products and stores across Australia. Now, 679 00:30:24,905 --> 00:30:27,425 Speaker 2: if you want to see how good Trinny looks, because 680 00:30:27,425 --> 00:30:29,465 Speaker 2: if you had told me that someone would look that 681 00:30:29,545 --> 00:30:34,665 Speaker 2: fabulous in like a floro leather, she's outstanding. Please head 682 00:30:34,705 --> 00:30:37,265 Speaker 2: on over to our YouTube and have a watch because 683 00:30:37,745 --> 00:30:41,225 Speaker 2: she's just incredible and in this conversation as you rethinking 684 00:30:41,305 --> 00:30:44,145 Speaker 2: your beauty routine, make sure you're following us on TikTok 685 00:30:44,185 --> 00:30:46,545 Speaker 2: and Instagram for more inspiring. 686 00:30:46,145 --> 00:30:47,625 Speaker 1: Chats like this one will pop. 687 00:30:47,705 --> 00:30:54,985 Speaker 2: All of the links in the show notes Bye,