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Speaker 2: Welcome to Parenting out Loud, the podcast for parents who

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Speaker 2: don't always listen to parenting podcasts. Here we are again,

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Speaker 2: another week of parenting culture, some hot takes, and this

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Speaker 2: time we're in our own podcast feed, which is nice.

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Speaker 2: So we'd let go of the mother ship of Mum

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Speaker 4: I'm Monique Bowlly, I'm a Mellia.

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Speaker 1: Lesto, and I am Stacy Kicks Stacy.

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Speaker 5: Before we begin, I'm just sensing a vibe from you

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Speaker 5: this week that you're very stressed out.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I'm very stressed this week. I've had a bit

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Speaker 3: the same, which culminated in me crying because I couldn't

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Speaker 5: A Copenhagen plank? I thought Copenhagen was just about like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like a torture device. I don't know why.

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Speaker 1: I got very upset and I said, it's not about

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Speaker 1: the Copenhagen plank.

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Speaker 5: It's never about the Copenhagen over the edge. But I'm

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Speaker 5: very happy to be with you guys, very happy to

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Speaker 2: Oh, Stacy, let's just ignore you crying in the corner.

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Speaker 2: Grab a tissue. This is what's coming up on today's show.

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Speaker 3: The girl Boss is dead and them influencer is out,

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Speaker 5: I want to talk about how the raw book around

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Speaker 5: praise has changed, and whether compliments and how we compliment

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Speaker 5: people is just yet another topic around which millennials are overthinking.

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Speaker 2: I saw a tiny feud on Facebook and it's changed

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Speaker 2: the way I think about reading with my kids, and

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Speaker 2: I want to bring it to your attention.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I love a tiny fewd There's a Reddit board

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Speaker 5: called niche Scandals and it's just all about like people

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Speaker 5: on crafting boards, like arguing with each other and it's

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Speaker 1: That sounds juicy.

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Speaker 2: This starts like a niche scandal, but then what I

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Speaker 4: It's a bigger thing. I can't wait.

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Speaker 5: But first, in case you missed it, I have to

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Speaker 3: What is a roadblock and why am I buying my

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Speaker 1: And why am I talking about it this week?

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Speaker 5: So Roadblocks is an online gaming platform, and the reason

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Speaker 5: a loophole has been discovered. And the loophole is Roadbox.

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Speaker 5: Because while Roadblocks is ostensibly a place where you go

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Speaker 3: But I say this was like the sims like, is

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Speaker 4: But what's happened is that now.

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Speaker 2: Because of the popularity of it, and it's something like

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Speaker 2: It addicts kids, it hooks them. It is a very

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Speaker 5: there is a game where you essentially grow a garden, and.

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Speaker 5: Mon's you have done some research around this, and so

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Speaker 5: I'm curious to know the answer. Has it always been

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Speaker 2: I think it's victim of in shitification. Now, this is

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Speaker 2: It's basically for when things turn to shit. So it's

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Speaker 5: And that's why Australia's e Safety Commissioner has flagged roadblocks

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Speaker 5: I should mention what they came out with this week.

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Speaker 5: They said that under sixteen's accounts will now be private

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Speaker 5: And the reason why they had to put that in

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Speaker 5: or abducting victims that they groomed on roadblocks. So this

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Speaker 5: is very much a live issue they reckon. The big

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Speaker 2: This is what a lot of people say is that's

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Speaker 2: how predators come in. They chat with your kids, they

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Speaker 2: I think eliminating the chat function does not solve any

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Speaker 2: of the problems because there's other ways that your kids

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Speaker 2: know there's probably people listening whose kids play this. There

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Speaker 5: Right, But I don't think it's as easy as that.

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Speaker 5: Mon's like speaking as someone who's having to negotiate this

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Speaker 5: it completely, the children will always find something else to play.

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Speaker 5: And keeping the line of communication open, I think is

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Speaker 2: The experts say there is no safe way for kids

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Speaker 2: this game. I know you're rolling your eyes, but I

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Speaker 2: This guy's a cyber security expert and a dad, and

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Speaker 2: he registered on Roadblocks as an eight year old, and

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Speaker 2: he joined a game within minutes. He joined a game

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Speaker 2: called Public Bathroom Simulator, which was a simulator where you

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Speaker 2: I think that also this e Safety Commissioner is not

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Speaker 2: is saying we're going to find Roadblocks forty five million

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Speaker 2: dollars for non compliance. But guys, this is a ninety

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Speaker 2: like you walking down the street with one hundred thousand

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Speaker 1: I've seen stories.

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Speaker 3: There was a case in Kansas where an eight year

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Speaker 1: Send her thousands of roebucks.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Because the other element that we haven't even really

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Speaker 5: I played, you were prompted to buy things in order

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Speaker 5: and those numbers add up really quickly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're doing the right thing by playing the games,

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Speaker 3: like I don't want everyone, especially people whose children are

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Speaker 3: them and they're not allowed on it anymore. Like we

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Speaker 3: Madeline West, you know Neighbors actress Madeline West, like she's

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Speaker 3: an icon, but she works as an online safety advocate

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Speaker 3: now for Old Shift, and she was saying that the

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Speaker 3: that if they tell you something that you'll take their

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Speaker 5: And the other broader problem is that as a parent,

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Speaker 2: is my work life.

434
00:20:32,269 --> 00:20:35,109
Speaker 1: Like almost a relief. I guess that's why I do it. Actually,

435
00:20:35,149 --> 00:20:36,349
Speaker 1: it is a relief.

436
00:20:36,109 --> 00:20:38,509
Speaker 5: To be able to go to work and not think

437
00:20:38,669 --> 00:20:41,989
Speaker 5: about my children while I'm there. Yeah. The angriest I've

438
00:20:42,029 --> 00:20:44,229
Speaker 5: ever seen a man is I went to a dinner

439
00:20:44,229 --> 00:20:49,109
Speaker 5: where I was seated next to a pediatric pomonologist and

440
00:20:49,629 --> 00:20:52,069
Speaker 5: I was just making small talk with him, and I

441
00:20:52,149 --> 00:20:54,429
Speaker 5: knew that he had two small children at home, and

442
00:20:54,509 --> 00:20:56,189
Speaker 5: I said to him, Wow, that must be a lot,

443
00:20:56,229 --> 00:20:58,229
Speaker 5: because you got this kids at home and then you're

444
00:20:58,269 --> 00:21:01,269
Speaker 5: talking to kids at work. And he flew into a

445
00:21:01,389 --> 00:21:04,989
Speaker 5: rage and started telling me that his job isn't about

446
00:21:05,029 --> 00:21:07,989
Speaker 5: talking to children. And I was thinking about it afterwards

447
00:21:07,989 --> 00:21:09,469
Speaker 5: and why he was so angry at me, and I

448
00:21:09,469 --> 00:21:11,669
Speaker 5: think there were two reason. So first is because men

449
00:21:11,749 --> 00:21:15,149
Speaker 5: are accustomed to being stealth dads, like that's the default,

450
00:21:15,229 --> 00:21:17,629
Speaker 5: to be a stealth dad. And so to be told

451
00:21:17,749 --> 00:21:20,389
Speaker 5: like there's some continuation between what you do at home

452
00:21:20,429 --> 00:21:22,629
Speaker 5: and what you do at work, it was almost offensive

453
00:21:22,669 --> 00:21:25,789
Speaker 5: to him. It was almost undermining his professionalism in a

454
00:21:25,829 --> 00:21:27,989
Speaker 5: way that a woman would nowver take offense at that.

455
00:21:28,229 --> 00:21:29,789
Speaker 5: She may not want to talk about it once to

456
00:21:29,829 --> 00:21:31,829
Speaker 5: your point, but she's not going to take offense. And

457
00:21:31,829 --> 00:21:33,909
Speaker 5: then I think the second reason why he took offense

458
00:21:34,389 --> 00:21:36,829
Speaker 5: was sort of specific to the context of the conversation,

459
00:21:36,949 --> 00:21:38,989
Speaker 5: which was that he thought that I was saying that

460
00:21:39,029 --> 00:21:43,029
Speaker 5: his job was requiring caregiving. It was about looking after children,

461
00:21:43,109 --> 00:21:45,669
Speaker 5: and for him it was about solving a problem, not

462
00:21:45,789 --> 00:21:49,309
Speaker 5: looking after them, not caregiving, which is coded as feminine.

463
00:21:49,589 --> 00:21:52,349
Speaker 5: But it's just interesting to reflect on as an example

464
00:21:52,389 --> 00:21:56,549
Speaker 5: of how for dads, stealth dadding is what they've always done.

465
00:21:56,669 --> 00:21:59,149
Speaker 2: It does feel like there's a motherhood penalty in the workplace.

466
00:21:59,429 --> 00:22:02,789
Speaker 2: There's a bias around if you say as a mother,

467
00:22:03,069 --> 00:22:06,669
Speaker 2: I'm a mother, it has connotations of you're not completely

468
00:22:06,709 --> 00:22:08,709
Speaker 2: focused on work, You're going to have to take time

469
00:22:08,789 --> 00:22:12,309
Speaker 2: off for sick kids. So I wonder if stealth mumming

470
00:22:12,869 --> 00:22:16,389
Speaker 2: is in response to that, trying to push back against

471
00:22:16,669 --> 00:22:17,469
Speaker 2: people's bias.

472
00:22:17,709 --> 00:22:22,509
Speaker 5: It's kind of a necessity in order to be taken seriously. Potentially, Yeah,

473
00:22:22,589 --> 00:22:24,629
Speaker 5: I don't know if you've come across this, but there's

474
00:22:24,669 --> 00:22:29,069
Speaker 5: some new thinking around the idea of praise and compliments,

475
00:22:29,829 --> 00:22:34,149
Speaker 5: and this new thinking is that praise itself might be toxic.

476
00:22:34,389 --> 00:22:38,349
Speaker 5: Let me explain. Some studies actually compare excessive praise to

477
00:22:38,469 --> 00:22:42,669
Speaker 5: a dangerous chemical or a tool to manipulate people into

478
00:22:42,709 --> 00:22:43,509
Speaker 5: doing what we want.

479
00:22:43,669 --> 00:22:45,909
Speaker 1: Oh God, now we're doing compliments wrong.

480
00:22:46,349 --> 00:22:49,589
Speaker 5: And this came up for me because something happened to

481
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:52,149
Speaker 5: my child at school recently which kind of upset me.

482
00:22:52,309 --> 00:22:55,429
Speaker 5: And it was around are Uka Day, which is always

483
00:22:55,869 --> 00:22:59,589
Speaker 5: marked on the second day in September. And what happened

484
00:22:59,629 --> 00:23:02,349
Speaker 5: was that the students in my kids class were creating

485
00:23:02,349 --> 00:23:05,749
Speaker 5: compliment buckets, and he and his classmates were encouraged to

486
00:23:05,789 --> 00:23:09,509
Speaker 5: fill these compliment buckets with compliments about other kids in

487
00:23:09,549 --> 00:23:13,309
Speaker 5: the class. Suffice to say, I'm sure you can anticipate

488
00:23:13,309 --> 00:23:14,309
Speaker 5: what ended up happening.

489
00:23:14,349 --> 00:23:15,349
Speaker 1: There were a lot of hurt.

490
00:23:15,189 --> 00:23:18,229
Speaker 5: Feelings because kids were comparing how many compliments they had

491
00:23:18,229 --> 00:23:20,709
Speaker 5: compared with other kids, and it basically turned into a

492
00:23:20,749 --> 00:23:24,349
Speaker 5: popularity contest. And the other problem with it is that

493
00:23:25,109 --> 00:23:27,389
Speaker 5: what is a compliment for a child? What is okay

494
00:23:27,429 --> 00:23:30,269
Speaker 5: to compliment a child about? And I realized that the

495
00:23:30,309 --> 00:23:32,829
Speaker 5: whole thing is actually a bit of a minefield, and

496
00:23:32,829 --> 00:23:35,269
Speaker 5: it's really a new development. The first time I thought

497
00:23:35,269 --> 00:23:38,389
Speaker 5: about this was I noticed that gen X parents around

498
00:23:38,429 --> 00:23:41,229
Speaker 5: me were getting very mindful about how they were praising

499
00:23:41,269 --> 00:23:43,789
Speaker 5: their kids, and they'd say things like, I can see

500
00:23:43,789 --> 00:23:47,029
Speaker 5: you tried so hard to draw this balloon, rather than like,

501
00:23:47,149 --> 00:23:50,189
Speaker 5: what a great picture of a balloon? And I sort

502
00:23:50,189 --> 00:23:52,549
Speaker 5: of inherited that when I had kids, and I didn't

503
00:23:52,589 --> 00:23:55,669
Speaker 5: compliment their appearances, even though sometimes they were just wearing

504
00:23:55,669 --> 00:23:59,269
Speaker 5: a great outfit, and I always talked about effort rather

505
00:23:59,349 --> 00:24:04,989
Speaker 5: than outcome. But don't children deserve the same recognition as adults,

506
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:07,349
Speaker 5: Like I love a compliment, It makes me feel good.

507
00:24:07,589 --> 00:24:10,669
Speaker 5: Isn't a child simply asking for our attend and our

508
00:24:10,709 --> 00:24:13,989
Speaker 5: recognition and a pat on the head for how beautiful

509
00:24:14,069 --> 00:24:17,389
Speaker 5: picture is? And I'm just wondering, is this another example

510
00:24:17,469 --> 00:24:20,949
Speaker 5: of millennials overthinking everything to the nth degree?

511
00:24:21,189 --> 00:24:23,509
Speaker 1: Yes, yes it is, OK. This is what we do.

512
00:24:23,629 --> 00:24:24,989
Speaker 1: We overthink everything.

513
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:27,669
Speaker 3: And this feels like now to give a child a compliment,

514
00:24:27,669 --> 00:24:29,789
Speaker 3: you've got to put it through a mind map of

515
00:24:29,829 --> 00:24:31,869
Speaker 3: like does it praise their appearance?

516
00:24:32,029 --> 00:24:32,189
Speaker 5: No?

517
00:24:32,749 --> 00:24:35,789
Speaker 3: Yes, like to get the compliment even out of your mouth,

518
00:24:36,189 --> 00:24:38,709
Speaker 3: like I know that even people say, don't say good boy?

519
00:24:38,789 --> 00:24:40,549
Speaker 3: Or good girl, Like you're not meant to do that,

520
00:24:40,669 --> 00:24:43,869
Speaker 3: because that's encouraging them to be really compliant, Like you

521
00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:46,989
Speaker 3: should be saying well done or good effort. You're not

522
00:24:47,069 --> 00:24:49,469
Speaker 3: meant to say good boy or good girl. So it

523
00:24:49,509 --> 00:24:52,509
Speaker 3: feels like every time we think about praising our child,

524
00:24:52,589 --> 00:24:56,029
Speaker 3: then we're stopping ourselves and going no, but their appearance

525
00:24:56,069 --> 00:24:58,509
Speaker 3: isn't the most beautiful thing about them. I need to

526
00:24:58,549 --> 00:25:01,429
Speaker 3: praise them for being strong or being kind, and it

527
00:25:01,509 --> 00:25:03,909
Speaker 3: just feels like we're exhausting ourselves by just trying to

528
00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:05,629
Speaker 3: be good and tell them that they're great.

529
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:07,389
Speaker 1: Like if we're not going to tell them they're great,

530
00:25:07,549 --> 00:25:08,349
Speaker 1: he's going to do it.

531
00:25:08,749 --> 00:25:11,669
Speaker 2: I'm so exhausted stood by this, So now we can't

532
00:25:11,709 --> 00:25:16,229
Speaker 2: even praise correctly. But you're right, Amelia, overthinking is the

533
00:25:16,309 --> 00:25:18,029
Speaker 2: millennial brand of parenting.

534
00:25:18,109 --> 00:25:18,269
Speaker 5: Right.

535
00:25:18,549 --> 00:25:19,429
Speaker 4: It's not our fault.

536
00:25:19,429 --> 00:25:24,309
Speaker 2: Though we have parenting books, podcasts, newsletters, Instagram accounts all

537
00:25:24,309 --> 00:25:27,349
Speaker 2: telling us that there's a right way to say good job.

538
00:25:27,829 --> 00:25:30,589
Speaker 2: But our parents just had like a cigarette and didn't

539
00:25:30,629 --> 00:25:34,869
Speaker 2: think about it. So of course we're hyper aware. It's

540
00:25:34,909 --> 00:25:35,949
Speaker 2: how we've been conditioned.

541
00:25:36,349 --> 00:25:39,309
Speaker 5: And I also want to inject a note here that

542
00:25:39,589 --> 00:25:43,789
Speaker 5: praise it does make people feel good. And on the

543
00:25:43,829 --> 00:25:45,869
Speaker 5: other hand, I know I mentioned that the new thinking

544
00:25:45,949 --> 00:25:48,309
Speaker 5: is that it's kind of like a toxic chemical, But

545
00:25:48,429 --> 00:25:51,469
Speaker 5: there's also studies that show that people who say they

546
00:25:51,469 --> 00:25:54,109
Speaker 5: were praised a lot by their parents are more likely

547
00:25:54,189 --> 00:25:58,149
Speaker 5: to be happy. And there's even a correlation between income

548
00:25:58,429 --> 00:26:02,589
Speaker 5: and how much praise people received as children, which is fascinating.

549
00:26:02,109 --> 00:26:03,309
Speaker 1: Because that's what I'm saying as well.

550
00:26:03,309 --> 00:26:05,829
Speaker 3: There's this woman I follow on TikTok, you know, when

551
00:26:05,829 --> 00:26:07,509
Speaker 3: I'm meant to be asleep and I just scroll for

552
00:26:07,589 --> 00:26:10,509
Speaker 3: hours on end, called doctor Chelsea, and she said, you're

553
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:13,309
Speaker 3: meant to give one hundred pieces of praise a day

554
00:26:13,829 --> 00:26:17,909
Speaker 3: to a day, each child, each child, each child. And

555
00:26:17,949 --> 00:26:19,909
Speaker 3: she was saying, it's because if all you're doing is

556
00:26:19,949 --> 00:26:22,229
Speaker 3: correction and direction, like if all you're doing is saying no,

557
00:26:22,269 --> 00:26:24,949
Speaker 3: don't do that, no, get off that, put your shoes on,

558
00:26:25,269 --> 00:26:27,989
Speaker 3: Like all they're hearing from our mouths is things that

559
00:26:28,029 --> 00:26:29,629
Speaker 3: they need to do or things that they need to

560
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:31,709
Speaker 3: not do. So she was saying, you need to do

561
00:26:31,869 --> 00:26:35,069
Speaker 3: really micro compliments to them, so things like you put

562
00:26:35,109 --> 00:26:37,589
Speaker 3: your shoes on, well done, you came down for dinner,

563
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:40,309
Speaker 3: well done? No I wonder how that translates into the

564
00:26:40,309 --> 00:26:44,109
Speaker 3: workplace too, because me, it's like also a good management

565
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:46,669
Speaker 3: technique to be praising everyone a hundred times a day.

566
00:26:46,749 --> 00:26:48,709
Speaker 3: But can you imagine that would mean that we're saying

567
00:26:48,749 --> 00:26:51,869
Speaker 3: things like, Wow, that's an amazing font you used in

568
00:26:51,909 --> 00:26:55,149
Speaker 3: that deck, and wow you circled back when you said

569
00:26:55,189 --> 00:26:57,069
Speaker 3: you'd circle back and close the loop.

570
00:26:57,229 --> 00:27:00,389
Speaker 1: Good on you. Yeah, Like please.

571
00:27:00,509 --> 00:27:02,509
Speaker 2: I for one would like more praise in the workplace.

572
00:27:02,549 --> 00:27:04,429
Speaker 2: I don't think there's enough. There's a lot of stick

573
00:27:04,469 --> 00:27:07,509
Speaker 2: and not heaps of carrot in workplaces, and I think

574
00:27:07,549 --> 00:27:09,749
Speaker 2: it's a good cultural thing to tell people when they've

575
00:27:09,749 --> 00:27:11,189
Speaker 2: done a good job, which you.

576
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:13,869
Speaker 3: Mentioned Herem's that you look beautiful and you're doing such

577
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:16,229
Speaker 3: a good job today and you so strong.

578
00:27:15,989 --> 00:27:19,509
Speaker 2: My beauty. I praise the effort I tried really hard today.

579
00:27:19,549 --> 00:27:21,549
Speaker 2: I did a lot of research and I did research

580
00:27:21,549 --> 00:27:23,309
Speaker 2: on this, and I think the point where missing is.

581
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:27,309
Speaker 4: Over praise, excessive praise. This is the problem.

582
00:27:27,389 --> 00:27:31,069
Speaker 2: And the research says that over praising kids can turn

583
00:27:31,469 --> 00:27:35,149
Speaker 2: them into external validation junkies, and it turns them into

584
00:27:35,189 --> 00:27:38,509
Speaker 2: doing things for extrinsic praise rather than like the intrinsic

585
00:27:38,549 --> 00:27:42,389
Speaker 2: motivation of working hard, it also diminishes resilience. So if

586
00:27:42,469 --> 00:27:46,029
Speaker 2: kids have grown up with constantly wow, you ate your

587
00:27:46,109 --> 00:27:50,109
Speaker 2: vegetables so amazing, or everything you do is incredible, then

588
00:27:50,109 --> 00:27:52,389
Speaker 2: the first time they hit a real critic, or if

589
00:27:52,429 --> 00:27:55,069
Speaker 2: the first time they get feedback, the first time they

590
00:27:55,109 --> 00:27:57,829
Speaker 2: even just get sort of a neutral silence or not

591
00:27:57,909 --> 00:28:00,429
Speaker 2: someone pumping their tires, it can feel really crushing and

592
00:28:00,469 --> 00:28:02,989
Speaker 2: really derailing. And I think that we do see that

593
00:28:03,069 --> 00:28:05,589
Speaker 2: in the workplace. There is a generation here that can't

594
00:28:05,669 --> 00:28:09,669
Speaker 2: take feedback and can't handle it when you're not pumping

595
00:28:09,669 --> 00:28:10,909
Speaker 2: their tires every five minutes.

596
00:28:11,069 --> 00:28:14,349
Speaker 5: Yeah, but Mon's I did my research for this segment too,

597
00:28:14,389 --> 00:28:17,189
Speaker 5: and deserve praise and recognition for that, and the studies

598
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:19,909
Speaker 5: I found said the opposite. So now I think the

599
00:28:19,989 --> 00:28:23,469
Speaker 5: point is that that's why we're overthinking it, because there's

600
00:28:23,549 --> 00:28:25,749
Speaker 5: so much data on both sides. Do you praise them

601
00:28:25,789 --> 00:28:27,469
Speaker 5: one hundred times a day? Do you make sure that

602
00:28:27,509 --> 00:28:30,709
Speaker 5: you don't praise them too much? And then ultimately, maybe

603
00:28:30,829 --> 00:28:33,989
Speaker 5: what we previously might have thought was an instinctive at

604
00:28:34,109 --> 00:28:37,349
Speaker 5: to praise or not praise has instead turned into something

605
00:28:37,389 --> 00:28:39,309
Speaker 5: that we have to intellectualize.

606
00:28:39,509 --> 00:28:41,549
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we just need to tell people when

607
00:28:41,549 --> 00:28:44,669
Speaker 3: they look nice and move on. So now I've brought

608
00:28:44,709 --> 00:28:46,869
Speaker 3: you my favorite video from the internet this week, and

609
00:28:46,909 --> 00:28:48,589
Speaker 3: I want you to have a listen. It's a woman

610
00:28:48,749 --> 00:28:51,189
Speaker 3: named Chelsea who's just become my new hero.

611
00:28:51,549 --> 00:28:51,989
Speaker 5: He she is.

612
00:28:52,509 --> 00:28:54,349
Speaker 1: We don't do bath toys over here.

613
00:28:54,429 --> 00:28:56,429
Speaker 4: My baby does not do bath toys. You want to

614
00:28:56,469 --> 00:29:00,669
Speaker 4: why too much bullshit? Okay, bad time is to get in,

615
00:29:01,309 --> 00:29:04,149
Speaker 4: wash ass, get out. That's exactly what we do. We

616
00:29:04,229 --> 00:29:06,749
Speaker 4: get in, we wash our ass, we get out because

617
00:29:06,749 --> 00:29:09,549
Speaker 4: there's two minutes of a hassle with these toys, your lord,

618
00:29:09,629 --> 00:29:12,509
Speaker 4: the toys you get, the toys that you draw, the

619
00:29:12,669 --> 00:29:15,309
Speaker 4: toys off you hope the toys don't all gotta keep

620
00:29:15,349 --> 00:29:17,869
Speaker 4: watching all the toys. I already gotta watch this toy.

621
00:29:17,949 --> 00:29:19,469
Speaker 1: I'm not adding a little group of.

622
00:29:19,429 --> 00:29:22,349
Speaker 2: Toys that specifically get wet and most of the times

623
00:29:22,429 --> 00:29:25,269
Speaker 2: stay we that I also got a wash that's extra

624
00:29:25,389 --> 00:29:27,309
Speaker 2: work for what play with your toys when you get

625
00:29:27,309 --> 00:29:27,749
Speaker 2: out the math.

626
00:29:29,349 --> 00:29:31,229
Speaker 1: I love Chelsea so much.

627
00:29:31,309 --> 00:29:33,909
Speaker 3: I stepped on a bluey toy and a dinosaur last

628
00:29:33,989 --> 00:29:36,549
Speaker 3: night in my shower, so she has now become my

629
00:29:36,629 --> 00:29:40,669
Speaker 3: new icon. I'm doing less toys in shower and the bath.

630
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:44,109
Speaker 2: I love this from Chelsea. But for people that have

631
00:29:44,709 --> 00:29:49,549
Speaker 2: neurodivergent kids who like deep pressure, bathtime can be really important.

632
00:29:49,709 --> 00:29:52,629
Speaker 2: And bath time is, as you say, Amelia, the calming thing.

633
00:29:53,149 --> 00:29:54,789
Speaker 2: You might be a parent that has a kid that

634
00:29:54,869 --> 00:29:58,069
Speaker 2: has multiple barths a day because it's quite regulating for them.

635
00:29:58,109 --> 00:29:59,949
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's just me being the fun police. And

636
00:29:59,989 --> 00:30:03,349
Speaker 2: I know that Chelsea's not against bath time per se.

637
00:30:03,589 --> 00:30:06,909
Speaker 2: She's pro bath, just anti bath toy.

638
00:30:07,269 --> 00:30:09,869
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's just saying just get them in there, get

639
00:30:09,869 --> 00:30:11,389
Speaker 3: them clean, and get out.

640
00:30:11,549 --> 00:30:14,389
Speaker 2: I like it. It's effishent oh business. But can I

641
00:30:14,429 --> 00:30:17,349
Speaker 2: also give you guys an amazing hack for bath time?

642
00:30:17,829 --> 00:30:20,509
Speaker 2: So I fell into this trap where both times went

643
00:30:20,549 --> 00:30:21,949
Speaker 2: on and on and on because I could never get

644
00:30:21,949 --> 00:30:25,309
Speaker 2: them out. I went to Bunning's and I bought pond lights,

645
00:30:25,789 --> 00:30:28,149
Speaker 2: like ten dollars. They're a little disc and you have

646
00:30:28,189 --> 00:30:29,789
Speaker 2: a remote that comes with it and it turns them

647
00:30:29,789 --> 00:30:32,229
Speaker 2: into different colors and I put them on the bottom

648
00:30:32,269 --> 00:30:33,749
Speaker 2: of the bath, and the kids are obsessed with them

649
00:30:33,749 --> 00:30:36,109
Speaker 2: because it lights up the bath. So you turn the

650
00:30:36,189 --> 00:30:38,589
Speaker 2: lights off, you put the pond lights on, and then

651
00:30:38,869 --> 00:30:41,389
Speaker 2: when you've had enough, you take your remote and you

652
00:30:41,469 --> 00:30:43,789
Speaker 2: turn the pond light to red and you say, oh,

653
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:46,309
Speaker 2: bath time's finish. Like the lights turn to red, that

654
00:30:46,349 --> 00:30:49,029
Speaker 2: means we've got to get out. Just works, they're just

655
00:30:49,069 --> 00:30:51,629
Speaker 2: something in their brain goes, oh shit, the light's red out.

656
00:30:51,629 --> 00:30:54,229
Speaker 3: We get that's very good Mond's but that's another toy

657
00:30:54,269 --> 00:30:57,709
Speaker 3: for the bum. You're going against Chelsea's advice. I am

658
00:30:57,749 --> 00:31:01,349
Speaker 3: taking Chelsea's advice. I'm taking everything out and only adding bubbles,

659
00:31:01,349 --> 00:31:02,829
Speaker 3: and I guarantee it will be better.

660
00:31:02,909 --> 00:31:03,709
Speaker 1: That's what I'm doing.

661
00:31:05,389 --> 00:31:09,389
Speaker 2: There's a tiny internet feud on Facebook that I would

662
00:31:09,429 --> 00:31:12,429
Speaker 2: like to bring your attention that I discovered this week,

663
00:31:12,949 --> 00:31:15,509
Speaker 2: So move over Hottest one hundred because the ABC are

664
00:31:15,549 --> 00:31:18,389
Speaker 2: running a competition for the Hottest one hundred books of

665
00:31:18,429 --> 00:31:21,869
Speaker 2: the twenty first century, and it listed Where Is the

666
00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:26,469
Speaker 2: Green Sheep? By mem Fox? A classic, total classic, but

667
00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:30,069
Speaker 2: it left one thing off. The illustrator Judy horror Check.

668
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:33,949
Speaker 2: So this week she wrote on her Facebook, Hey, ABC,

669
00:31:34,869 --> 00:31:37,549
Speaker 2: you have Where is the Green Sheep listed as by

670
00:31:37,629 --> 00:31:41,549
Speaker 2: mem Fox alone? You know it's actually by Memfox and

671
00:31:41,589 --> 00:31:44,549
Speaker 2: me right, And then she goes on to say in

672
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Speaker 2: the comments, you know, the people that do the pictures

673
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Speaker 2: in picture books are frequently left off like we're used

674
00:31:50,869 --> 00:31:54,789
Speaker 2: to it, but it also drives us nuts. So Judy

675
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:58,069
Speaker 2: Horror Check has had just about enough of illustrators being overlooked,

676
00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:59,709
Speaker 2: and I just want to have a moment for the

677
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Speaker 2: illustrators of children's books.

678
00:32:01,229 --> 00:32:01,989
Speaker 5: That's a good point.

679
00:32:02,109 --> 00:32:02,829
Speaker 1: I'm ashamed to say.

680
00:32:02,829 --> 00:32:05,749
Speaker 5: I hadn't even thought about this until I came across

681
00:32:05,789 --> 00:32:08,349
Speaker 5: this item, and then I started to think about how

682
00:32:08,429 --> 00:32:12,629
Speaker 5: important illustration our own children's books, and how they stir

683
00:32:12,789 --> 00:32:16,469
Speaker 5: feeling in children that they never forget, Like where would

684
00:32:16,509 --> 00:32:18,829
Speaker 5: Roll Dahal be without the Quentin Blake line.

685
00:32:18,669 --> 00:32:22,069
Speaker 3: Drawings exactly, Like the kids can't read the words, the

686
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:24,789
Speaker 3: thing that's drawing them into the book is the illustrations.

687
00:32:24,829 --> 00:32:27,309
Speaker 3: Like I feel so bad that I've never thought about

688
00:32:27,349 --> 00:32:30,029
Speaker 3: this before, Like I could not tell you the names

689
00:32:30,069 --> 00:32:32,029
Speaker 3: of the illustrators on my daughter's books, and yet we

690
00:32:32,069 --> 00:32:32,909
Speaker 3: read them every night.

691
00:32:32,989 --> 00:32:36,029
Speaker 1: But I should. Now I'm going to pay attention to this. Yeah.

692
00:32:36,309 --> 00:32:39,229
Speaker 2: I read this amazing piece in The Guardian about illustrations

693
00:32:39,229 --> 00:32:41,789
Speaker 2: and the history of illustrations, and what it said was

694
00:32:41,829 --> 00:32:45,989
Speaker 2: that illustrations are as memory evoking as smells or songs,

695
00:32:46,309 --> 00:32:48,069
Speaker 2: So you see things as a kid and it will

696
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Speaker 2: stick with you for life.

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Speaker 4: That's so true, Stacy. If kids are.

698
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Speaker 2: Visual learners, you know, we spent all this time trying

699
00:32:55,309 --> 00:32:56,629
Speaker 2: to get them off of iPads.

700
00:32:56,669 --> 00:32:58,429
Speaker 4: They're drawn to visuals all the time.

701
00:32:58,709 --> 00:33:01,189
Speaker 2: Illustrators actually the real rock stars of our childhoods, and

702
00:33:01,189 --> 00:33:02,349
Speaker 2: we've just been ignoring them.

703
00:33:02,549 --> 00:33:04,589
Speaker 3: They really are, like, we need to pour one out

704
00:33:04,629 --> 00:33:06,509
Speaker 3: for them now, like they are the reason that our

705
00:33:06,589 --> 00:33:08,709
Speaker 3: kids even drawn to books in the first place. Like

706
00:33:08,789 --> 00:33:11,349
Speaker 3: I guarantee, if they were just black and white words

707
00:33:11,389 --> 00:33:13,269
Speaker 3: on the page, they're not going to sit there for

708
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Speaker 3: more than two seconds.

709
00:33:14,469 --> 00:33:16,589
Speaker 1: So yeah, we need to pour one out for the illustrators.

710
00:33:16,829 --> 00:33:20,229
Speaker 2: I reckon great illustrators, like as you said, Quentin Blake,

711
00:33:20,789 --> 00:33:22,909
Speaker 2: like Helen Oxbury, who did We're going on.

712
00:33:22,909 --> 00:33:23,509
Speaker 4: A Bear Hunt.

713
00:33:24,269 --> 00:33:27,469
Speaker 2: They shape the stories as much as the writers do.

714
00:33:27,709 --> 00:33:29,909
Speaker 2: You know, We're Going on a Bear Hunt was originally

715
00:33:29,949 --> 00:33:32,509
Speaker 2: supposed to be about a line of kings and queens

716
00:33:32,589 --> 00:33:35,309
Speaker 2: going on a bear hunt, but Helen Oxenbury turned it

717
00:33:35,349 --> 00:33:38,109
Speaker 2: into like this regular family squelching through the mud, and

718
00:33:38,109 --> 00:33:40,669
Speaker 2: that's just where the beauty is. And this article also

719
00:33:40,709 --> 00:33:46,469
Speaker 2: said that kids love chaos in illustrations. They fixate on messy, disruptive,

720
00:33:46,509 --> 00:33:49,789
Speaker 2: moments in books so peas spilling out or the tiger

721
00:33:49,869 --> 00:33:52,549
Speaker 2: that came to tea drinking all the water out of

722
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Speaker 2: the tap, and they find a lot of joy in

723
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Speaker 2: the disorder, and that these illustrations can also help them

724
00:33:58,589 --> 00:34:02,949
Speaker 2: deal with big feelings chaos, loneliness, loss or anger all

725
00:34:02,989 --> 00:34:06,309
Speaker 2: through the pictures much more than words can. The upshot

726
00:34:06,309 --> 00:34:10,549
Speaker 2: of this is that I went onto the ABC Books site.

727
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:13,869
Speaker 2: They have updated the entry for Memfox. They have included

728
00:34:13,949 --> 00:34:17,869
Speaker 2: Judy Horrorcheck. She gets my vote, Judy, we love you.

729
00:34:18,229 --> 00:34:20,789
Speaker 2: I also want to shout out to Deborah and Island

730
00:34:21,229 --> 00:34:24,829
Speaker 2: for drawing my favorite illustrations in Mulgarbill's bicycle. And also

731
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Speaker 2: she did that hippopotamus that goes on.

732
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Speaker 5: That is brilliant.

733
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Speaker 2: My cotics one of the bed illustrator rite such range.

734
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Speaker 2: So thank you illustrators, thank you for bringing the magic.

735
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Speaker 2: To wrap up today's show, we're going to just share

736
00:34:39,269 --> 00:34:42,509
Speaker 2: the things that we are loving sick, so the stuff

737
00:34:42,549 --> 00:34:44,109
Speaker 2: you might text to your friends or put in the

738
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Speaker 2: Mums group.

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Speaker 4: Chat Amelia, what's on your list?

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Speaker 5: This is going to sound strange, but my recommendation this

741
00:34:50,109 --> 00:34:55,349
Speaker 5: week is getting the newspaper. Oh I subscribed to my

742
00:34:55,469 --> 00:34:58,749
Speaker 5: local paper to have it delivered Monday through Sunday, and

743
00:34:59,229 --> 00:35:02,469
Speaker 5: it is bringing me such joy and delight, and I've

744
00:35:02,509 --> 00:35:03,949
Speaker 5: tried to think about why that is.

745
00:35:04,669 --> 00:35:06,029
Speaker 1: I think it's because.

746
00:35:05,669 --> 00:35:09,229
Speaker 5: When you read the news in the newspaper, it's giving

747
00:35:09,309 --> 00:35:12,469
Speaker 5: come closer, it's saying, come here, let's share this experience.

748
00:35:12,509 --> 00:35:14,629
Speaker 5: If you read the news on your phone and you're

749
00:35:14,669 --> 00:35:18,309
Speaker 5: dooom scrolling, that says go away. It says I don't

750
00:35:18,349 --> 00:35:20,509
Speaker 5: want to be disturbed. And there's something about the act

751
00:35:20,549 --> 00:35:23,589
Speaker 5: of scrolling where it doesn't invite people in in the

752
00:35:23,629 --> 00:35:25,669
Speaker 5: way that a big newspaper does.

753
00:35:25,549 --> 00:35:28,429
Speaker 3: And the newspaper's a novelty now to them, like they

754
00:35:28,469 --> 00:35:30,149
Speaker 3: don't see that, so how cool.

755
00:35:30,349 --> 00:35:32,309
Speaker 5: There's so many nice things about it, like you can

756
00:35:32,309 --> 00:35:35,309
Speaker 5: practice numbers and talk about numbers on the world weather page.

757
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:39,869
Speaker 5: You can do the word games together with a pen

758
00:35:39,949 --> 00:35:41,269
Speaker 5: and paper so fun.

759
00:35:41,509 --> 00:35:45,789
Speaker 2: You can draw mustaches and all the world leaders.

760
00:35:44,589 --> 00:35:50,189
Speaker 5: And I think it's modeling good information hygiene, which I

761
00:35:50,229 --> 00:35:53,589
Speaker 5: think is going to be increasingly a topic of conversation

762
00:35:53,789 --> 00:35:57,389
Speaker 5: going forward with AI and everything else that's going on.

763
00:35:57,789 --> 00:36:00,309
Speaker 5: And I just think overall, it makes me feel calmer

764
00:36:00,549 --> 00:36:04,349
Speaker 5: because when I read the newspaper. It's a finite experience.

765
00:36:04,429 --> 00:36:05,789
Speaker 5: I can get to the end of it and I

766
00:36:05,829 --> 00:36:07,989
Speaker 5: can feel like, Okay, I know what's going on. I

767
00:36:08,029 --> 00:36:10,069
Speaker 5: don't need to keep dooom scrolling. I don't need to

768
00:36:10,109 --> 00:36:11,709
Speaker 5: read all the news in the world. This is the

769
00:36:11,749 --> 00:36:14,229
Speaker 5: news that I need to know today. So I think

770
00:36:14,229 --> 00:36:18,669
Speaker 5: it's been a really nice experience, not just for my kids,

771
00:36:18,709 --> 00:36:19,629
Speaker 5: but also for me.

772
00:36:20,029 --> 00:36:23,029
Speaker 2: I love that it's so intentional, and it's also you

773
00:36:23,069 --> 00:36:25,309
Speaker 2: can't skip around all over the place like you count

774
00:36:25,309 --> 00:36:28,389
Speaker 2: on a phone. It's just the one single tasking love it.

775
00:36:28,429 --> 00:36:31,869
Speaker 3: What about you, Stacy, So mine this week is a

776
00:36:31,909 --> 00:36:34,549
Speaker 3: docco that I cannot stop thinking about. Have you guys

777
00:36:34,589 --> 00:36:37,589
Speaker 3: watched Unknown Number The Catfish Story on Netflix?

778
00:36:38,189 --> 00:36:42,589
Speaker 1: Stacy, I obsessed? Yes, mon no.

779
00:36:42,989 --> 00:36:43,829
Speaker 4: Is it a true crime?

780
00:36:44,229 --> 00:36:44,509
Speaker 1: Yes?

781
00:36:44,669 --> 00:36:48,549
Speaker 3: True crime documentary my favorite kind. So I promise I'm

782
00:36:48,549 --> 00:36:50,309
Speaker 3: not going to spoil it for you. I'll just give

783
00:36:50,349 --> 00:36:52,149
Speaker 3: you top line. But if you want to listen to

784
00:36:52,189 --> 00:36:53,709
Speaker 3: more and you have watched it, Mama and me are

785
00:36:53,749 --> 00:36:55,669
Speaker 3: allowed to a subs episode on it this week.

786
00:36:55,749 --> 00:36:56,269
Speaker 1: So it's a.

787
00:36:56,229 --> 00:36:58,909
Speaker 3: Thirteen year old girl, Lauren Lacari. She lives in this

788
00:36:59,069 --> 00:37:02,509
Speaker 3: tiny town in Michigan, like couple hundred people, and Lauren

789
00:37:02,589 --> 00:37:04,989
Speaker 3: starts stating a boy in her class named Owen, and

790
00:37:05,069 --> 00:37:08,469
Speaker 3: that's when the messages start. So she starts getting up

791
00:37:08,509 --> 00:37:11,629
Speaker 3: to forty to fifty abuse messages to her phone a

792
00:37:11,709 --> 00:37:14,629
Speaker 3: day from an unknown number, and so does Owen, and

793
00:37:14,669 --> 00:37:17,069
Speaker 3: then they start coming to different people, but they are

794
00:37:17,109 --> 00:37:19,549
Speaker 3: the main ones that start receiving these messages. This goes

795
00:37:19,589 --> 00:37:22,829
Speaker 3: on for fifteen months until they finally figure out who

796
00:37:22,909 --> 00:37:25,989
Speaker 3: it is. So it's satisfying in that you will find

797
00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:29,309
Speaker 3: out who it is, and it is infuriating when you

798
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:32,389
Speaker 3: find out who it is. But i think the most

799
00:37:32,429 --> 00:37:35,749
Speaker 3: interesting part about watching it, and I'm sure you'll agree, Amelia,

800
00:37:35,789 --> 00:37:37,549
Speaker 3: like the question you have when you're watching it is

801
00:37:37,749 --> 00:37:40,069
Speaker 3: why didn't they take the phones off the kids? Like?

802
00:37:40,109 --> 00:37:43,029
Speaker 3: Why didn't they remove their phones? And it's such an

803
00:37:43,029 --> 00:37:47,389
Speaker 3: interesting reflection on society today in that the other parents

804
00:37:47,429 --> 00:37:49,269
Speaker 3: of the kids at the school said, well, no, we

805
00:37:49,349 --> 00:37:51,549
Speaker 3: don't want our kids' phones taken away because we want

806
00:37:51,549 --> 00:37:52,909
Speaker 3: to know where they are. We want to be able

807
00:37:52,949 --> 00:37:54,669
Speaker 3: to track them and to be able to contact them.

808
00:37:55,069 --> 00:37:57,029
Speaker 3: And that's actually something that we touched on in last

809
00:37:57,029 --> 00:37:59,429
Speaker 3: week's episode when we were talking about phone tracking It

810
00:37:59,549 --> 00:38:02,949
Speaker 3: very much plays into that, like would you track your kids?

811
00:38:02,989 --> 00:38:04,869
Speaker 3: And why do we want to track our kids? So

812
00:38:04,949 --> 00:38:07,149
Speaker 3: this poor girl had to go to school every day

813
00:38:07,309 --> 00:38:09,669
Speaker 3: knowing these messages were going to come through, and it

814
00:38:09,709 --> 00:38:11,549
Speaker 3: was all because the other parents wouldn't get on board

815
00:38:11,549 --> 00:38:12,229
Speaker 3: and support it.

816
00:38:12,229 --> 00:38:13,909
Speaker 5: It was a bit of an AHA moment for me

817
00:38:13,949 --> 00:38:18,189
Speaker 5: because I find that conversation around phones and children it's

818
00:38:18,229 --> 00:38:20,349
Speaker 5: often about, well, the kids don't want to give the

819
00:38:20,429 --> 00:38:23,029
Speaker 5: phone up. Yeah, they're addicted, and that may or may

820
00:38:23,069 --> 00:38:25,709
Speaker 5: not be true. But what this documentary shows is that

821
00:38:25,909 --> 00:38:30,269
Speaker 5: parents also feel ambivalent about taking their phones away from

822
00:38:30,269 --> 00:38:32,349
Speaker 5: their kids because it's a way to keep in touch

823
00:38:32,389 --> 00:38:34,549
Speaker 5: with their kids and keep in some ways control over

824
00:38:34,589 --> 00:38:37,589
Speaker 5: their kids. And it was a reminder that that dynamic

825
00:38:37,909 --> 00:38:38,749
Speaker 5: goes both ways.

826
00:38:38,989 --> 00:38:43,269
Speaker 3: Yeah, and when the reveal happens, it's so satisfying. Mons, Like,

827
00:38:43,309 --> 00:38:45,869
Speaker 3: there is videos all over the internet. You will scream,

828
00:38:45,989 --> 00:38:48,069
Speaker 3: you will scream out loud when you find out who

829
00:38:48,109 --> 00:38:51,229
Speaker 3: it is. It's that satisfying. So please watch school Principle.

830
00:38:52,989 --> 00:38:56,509
Speaker 3: It's taking a word. They'll have to watch. It's the

831
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Speaker 3: teacher and it's an exercise in resilience. Everybody fails.

832
00:39:01,709 --> 00:39:02,549
Speaker 1: Mon's what's yours.

833
00:39:02,549 --> 00:39:05,549
Speaker 2: This week, I have a viral too ingredient dinner for

834
00:39:05,669 --> 00:39:08,629
Speaker 2: lazy people who hate cooking to be ingredients.

835
00:39:08,789 --> 00:39:09,749
Speaker 1: Please give it to me.

836
00:39:10,269 --> 00:39:11,469
Speaker 4: It's changed my life.

837
00:39:11,549 --> 00:39:14,869
Speaker 2: I can't stop talking about this and telling everybody about this.

838
00:39:14,989 --> 00:39:18,109
Speaker 2: So I stole it from the Lee's and Sarah podcast,

839
00:39:18,349 --> 00:39:22,669
Speaker 2: a which for transparency reasons, I work on this show.

840
00:39:22,709 --> 00:39:24,829
Speaker 2: But this recipe has gone viral in a way that

841
00:39:24,869 --> 00:39:28,389
Speaker 2: we've never seen anything do before. People are losing their minds.

842
00:39:28,429 --> 00:39:31,549
Speaker 2: It's called the triple Bee. All you need to do

843
00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:35,869
Speaker 2: is get a beef bowler blade from the supermarket. It's

844
00:39:35,909 --> 00:39:37,309
Speaker 2: called a beef bowler blade.

845
00:39:37,029 --> 00:39:37,469
Speaker 4: A triple B.

846
00:39:37,549 --> 00:39:38,749
Speaker 1: It's not like a cut of meat.

847
00:39:39,109 --> 00:39:39,869
Speaker 4: It's a cut of meat.

848
00:39:39,989 --> 00:39:42,789
Speaker 2: It's like a big roast, but it's called beef bowl blade.

849
00:39:42,869 --> 00:39:43,629
Speaker 1: Okay, got it.

850
00:39:43,669 --> 00:39:48,149
Speaker 2: And then a jar of cha Sus sauce. It comes

851
00:39:48,149 --> 00:39:51,549
Speaker 2: in a red jar. What you do is you turn

852
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:54,149
Speaker 2: on your slow cooker, you dump the triple be in it.

853
00:39:54,469 --> 00:39:58,869
Speaker 2: You pour over the entire jar of Chasius sauce, put

854
00:39:58,869 --> 00:40:01,989
Speaker 2: the lid on, put it on low for eight to

855
00:40:02,069 --> 00:40:03,549
Speaker 2: ten hours, and walk away.

856
00:40:03,789 --> 00:40:04,309
Speaker 4: That is it.

857
00:40:04,429 --> 00:40:09,029
Speaker 2: No browning, no nothing, two things. Triple B Chasu walk away.

858
00:40:10,189 --> 00:40:14,389
Speaker 2: At the end, what you will have is the most amazing, succulent,

859
00:40:14,749 --> 00:40:19,869
Speaker 2: delicious pulley a party like Chinese infused beef.

860
00:40:20,069 --> 00:40:23,909
Speaker 1: What is the charge eating a meal? A succulent Chinese

861
00:40:23,949 --> 00:40:25,349
Speaker 1: meal that.

862
00:40:25,229 --> 00:40:27,389
Speaker 2: You could serve with rice, You could put it on

863
00:40:27,789 --> 00:40:29,869
Speaker 2: like a white roll with some kalslaur in it.

864
00:40:29,869 --> 00:40:31,269
Speaker 4: It's just amazing.

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Speaker 2: It's become a weekly staple in this house because it's

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Speaker 2: so ridiculously easy.

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Speaker 5: Yea.

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Speaker 3: Nothing insights rage in me is when you see a

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Speaker 3: slow cooker recipe and it says you've got a brown

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Speaker 3: in a pan. First, I'm like, no, I'm not doing

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Speaker 3: that because I'll just pook it in the pan.

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Speaker 1: So this is great, love it.

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Speaker 4: That's all we have time for on Parenting Out Loud

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Speaker 4: this week.

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Speaker 2: We are so happy that you're here in our new

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Speaker 2: home in this feed, So thank you for hitting the

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Speaker 2: follow button. Actually, we do need a name for our

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Speaker 2: tribe of smart parents.

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Speaker 4: What can we call them? Maybe poles call yeah the

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Speaker 4: poly sauce.

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Speaker 2: Pout Louderts like parenting out louders.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that?

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Speaker 4: All right?

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Speaker 2: Well, before you go, we are so goddamn thirsty for

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Speaker 2: praise here. Maybe our parents did not praise us enough,

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Speaker 2: and frankly it shows. So if you've got any spare

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Speaker 2: praise rattling around that you're taking off your kids now,

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Speaker 2: we'd love to have it. So the way you can

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Speaker 2: do it is drop us a review on Apple Podcasts.

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Speaker 2: It actually helps other people find the show because the

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Speaker 2: Apple charts work in this way where it's this weird

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Speaker 2: alchemy of reviews and follows.

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Speaker 4: So it's like the.

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Speaker 2: Worst game of roadblocks ever. So please write us a review.

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Speaker 2: But here's the challenge. Here's what I would love. I

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Speaker 2: would love if you could please write it in gentle

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Speaker 2: parenting speak, so very non praise speak.

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Speaker 4: That would really make me laugh.

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Speaker 2: So none of this this is the best podcast in

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Speaker 2: the whole word world.

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Speaker 4: Like that sort of reckless praise will go straight to

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Speaker 4: our heads. It's not good for us.

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Speaker 2: So I really want to see what people have got.

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Speaker 2: So here's an example. You worked really hard on this

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Speaker 2: episode and it shows keep going, you're learning and growing

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Speaker 2: every week.

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Speaker 4: I'd like the way you're speaking here.

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Speaker 2: I bet one day you're gonna get it. Please leave

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Speaker 2: us one a little inside joke for all of us,

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Speaker 2: and I can't wait to read them. Big thanks to

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Speaker 2: our team this week. Junior content producer is Tesla Kotovic

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Speaker 2: produces Leaporgus and Sashatanic and the group ep Is Ruth

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Speaker 2: de Vine have a great week. Will be back in

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Speaker 2: this feed next Saturday morning.

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Speaker 4: See ya bye