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Speaker 3: When we prepare for this podcast, you think it's best

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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia. Out loud. What women are actually talking about

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Speaker 2: on Monday, the third of March.

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Speaker 3: I'm Hollywayen Right, I'm Mea Friedman, and I'm Jesse Stevens

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Speaker 3: on the show today.

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Speaker 2: If you haven't watched it, you've heard about it. If

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Speaker 2: you haven't heard about it, you've felt it in the

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Speaker 2: force on Saturday morning. Yes, we're talking about that Oval

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Speaker 2: Office press conference with Zelenski, Trump and JB. Vans and

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Speaker 2: why everyone from reality TV stars to believe its celebrities

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Speaker 2: are speaking their truth right now, please stop, and it's

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Speaker 2: Oscar's day, we unpack the controversies that didn't make it

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Speaker 2: to the Red carpet. But first, Mia Friedman, in case.

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Speaker 1: You missed it, it's Monday, so that means Elon Musk

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Speaker 1: has had another baby. Mask is fifty three and has

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Speaker 1: welcomed his fourteenth child. He's fourth with Schevonzillis, who is

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Speaker 4: So this isn't the influence. So we were talking about

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Speaker 1: His thirteenth child, which was last Monday. Oh okay, I've

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Speaker 1: read over the weekend that he is working one hundred

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Speaker 1: hour weeks and sleeping on the floor of the White House,

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Speaker 1: so clearly this was an IVF situation like most of

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Speaker 4: Apparently, is he in a romantic relationship with this Yeah, except.

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Speaker 1: Of course the one he's having with Donald Trump. But

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Speaker 1: Chevonzilla's shared the news on x She says discussed with Elon,

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Speaker 1: and in light of beautiful Arcadia's birthday, assume that's one

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Speaker 1: of the other children, we felt it was better to

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Speaker 1: also just share directly about our wonderful and incredible son. Selden.

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Speaker 1: Like hergis built like a juggernaut with a solid heart

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Speaker 1: of gold. Unlike his father, that was mine, That wasn't her?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she said love him so much, which I hope

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Speaker 1: refers to the child and not Alon. But you know,

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Speaker 1: Billionaire's gonna keep breathing.

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Speaker 4: In case you missed it, are you too desperate to

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Speaker 4: know what was in the Oscars gift bags?

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Speaker 2: I thought these days it was very basic because they

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Speaker 2: got in TROUBLESO. Now it's just like some jelly snakes

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Speaker 3: Okay, I thought that too, and a little party pop,

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Speaker 3: a little those things that you Okay, So what they

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Speaker 3: did instead was they just gave the fancy bag.

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Speaker 4: To less people.

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Speaker 3: Oh so not every nominee gets it anymore. The way

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Speaker 3: the actual bag is That is a really good question, Maya.

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Speaker 3: I think it is an actual bag because I don't

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Speaker 3: know where else I put all of the things. Now,

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Speaker 3: not all the nominees are offered it. It's a gift

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Speaker 3: bag from a place called Distinctive Assets. It's not actually

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Speaker 3: affiliated with the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences,

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Speaker 3: and so the list of potential recipients only has twenty stars.

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Speaker 3: So you're Ariana, you're Timothy, you're kir and Colcone.

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Speaker 2: People in the world who least needed it.

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Speaker 1: So essentially, when you say it's not affiliated with the Oscars,

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Speaker 1: and even if it was, it's a business. So obviously

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Speaker 1: they've charged people a lot of money to say, give

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Speaker 2: They do corporate things. They could do a corporate thing

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Speaker 4: Our live shows.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for a live show. Yeah, that's a really good.

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Speaker 2: But the Academy wants hire them every year.

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Speaker 1: That's how the bounty bags work. If you've ever had

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Speaker 4: There paid to be there. Oh I love a good

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Speaker 3: Okay, So now at Mummeyer Out Loud Life presented by

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Speaker 3: Nibia Cellula, here's what you'll get. It's called an Everybody

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Speaker 3: Wins gift bag. Right value at almost two hundred thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: Is this what everyone gets when they come to our show?

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's what I've decided, you know, cool, not.

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Speaker 1: Oscars, it's the Oscars. Right.

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Speaker 3: The collection includes cannabis products such as pre rolls and

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Speaker 2: Pre rolls Does that mean what I think it means?

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Speaker 1: Joints?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: See you get joints.

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Speaker 2: That's what it means.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe that's in California.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 3: Of course, a four nights stay at a resort in

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Speaker 3: the Mal dieds it is worth twenty three thousand.

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Speaker 2: Dollars long way to go from La for four nights.

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Speaker 3: It is a five thousand, two hundred dollars stay at

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Speaker 1: I feel like they're going to give this to their

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Speaker 1: glam squad. Yeah, they are true.

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Speaker 4: Peracts, as well as Ancestry DNA's twenty five thousand dollars

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Speaker 4: VIP family history experience, in which genealogists builds the nominees

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Speaker 2: So I was gonna say you would love that.

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Speaker 4: I would love that, but twenty five thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: But it's also like spitting on a stick. Let's take

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Speaker 1: your DNA. Yeah, I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: I think they're just cloning the celebrities. Then a cutting

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Speaker 3: board worth two hundred and forty dollars, some skincare products

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Speaker 3: from a brand, A luxury pocket square from Hermes, valued

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Speaker 1: Seeing that, Megan's jam Yes, wow, Megan mister trick.

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Speaker 3: Well, actually this isn't about greed. It's about the LA fires.

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Speaker 1: So what do you mean there's like a donation.

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Speaker 3: The bag includes a one year membership to Bright Harbor

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Speaker 3: to family and friends. I don't understand how that's helping anyone,

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Speaker 3: but fifty thousand dollars worth of project management services. Oh okay,

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Speaker 3: so you can go and donate that or something that's done.

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Speaker 2: He needs this.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he needs it either. But I think

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Speaker 2: I think let's go, ladies.

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Speaker 1: The New Cycle leaderboard of Bizarre and Dramatic Moments has

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Speaker 1: been pretty crowded this year, but shooting straight to the

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Speaker 4: You're gambling with World War three, and what you're doing

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Speaker 3: It's back to you far more than a lot of

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Speaker 5: You said thank you once this entire meeting, No, in

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Speaker 2: Last week he also had Macron, who has also got

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Speaker 2: Everybody knows what that's going to be. Deals that need

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Speaker 2: which is what this was where you would have seen

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Speaker 2: these a million times.

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Speaker 3: So to see that disrespect, the making fun of him,

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Speaker 3: church Hill during World War II showed up to the

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Speaker 3: White House and didn't wear a suit because he was

437
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Speaker 3: representing the fact that his country was at war. And ironically,

438
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Speaker 3: if you look at this video, the bust of Winston

439
00:20:07,542 --> 00:20:10,381
Speaker 3: church Hill is looking over this entire convase. It's like,

440
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Speaker 3: not only is their ignorance of facts and history, but

441
00:20:14,821 --> 00:20:17,701
Speaker 3: it was like for the Trump and the Vance, it

442
00:20:17,742 --> 00:20:20,741
Speaker 3: was a conversation devoid of any values, Like this is

443
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Speaker 3: how simple things can be if we just take values

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Speaker 3: out of it. In a moment, I'm ready to speak

445
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Speaker 3: my truth and Mayor is refusing to listen.

446
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Speaker 2: Feedback is a gift from both the perspective of a

447
00:20:37,542 --> 00:20:41,862
Speaker 2: giver as well as the recipient. I have some feedback

448
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Speaker 2: for gardening. Okay, oh thank god. I know. I know

449
00:20:44,982 --> 00:20:46,862
Speaker 2: you've been waiting for it, right, I know. And this

450
00:20:46,942 --> 00:20:51,542
Speaker 2: is my truth. Friends, Gardening is trying to be sexy

451
00:20:52,022 --> 00:20:55,821
Speaker 2: and it's not okay, and it's pissing me off this weekend.

452
00:20:55,942 --> 00:20:57,902
Speaker 2: So first, of all I'm dealing with and we'll talk

453
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Speaker 2: about it later in the week. But Megan, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, dealing with me, my princess, the princess.

455
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Speaker 2: Of my heart. Megan posted a lot of gardening content

456
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Speaker 2: last week, like she's like Scott Morrison, she doesn't know

457
00:21:08,462 --> 00:21:08,941
Speaker 2: how to hold up.

458
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Speaker 4: I saw a lot of out loud as saying you've

459
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Speaker 4: got the setting wrong.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what I said. Get yourself a sprayhead for

461
00:21:14,061 --> 00:21:16,101
Speaker 2: your host. Are there are only fifteen dollars? Like, just

462
00:21:16,182 --> 00:21:18,701
Speaker 2: do it anyway, that's not the point. She's looking picture

463
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Speaker 2: perfect while she skips around her garden with her basket.

464
00:21:21,182 --> 00:21:25,022
Speaker 2: Then Roxy Jasenko ups the Auntie. I've watched it. Why

465
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Speaker 2: did I do this again? I watched a video myself

466
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Speaker 2: harm of my Instagram yesterday of Roxy in a red

467
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Speaker 2: tiny bikini planting out a stand up herb garden. You

468
00:21:35,901 --> 00:21:38,182
Speaker 2: wouldn't know what that is. It's not important anyway, she's

469
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Speaker 2: doing it. She's planting, and I'm like.

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Speaker 1: The aware when you're planting hard, do you think?

471
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Speaker 2: And then we've got David Beckham. He's purring his way

472
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Speaker 2: through his potato crops like.

473
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Speaker 1: A bee is considered gardening.

474
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gardening adjacent. They're like, gardening's the gateway drug.

475
00:21:54,581 --> 00:21:57,022
Speaker 2: Bees is next, then we move on to chickens. That's

476
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Speaker 2: how it goes.

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Speaker 1: I feel like Harry and Meghan went straight to chickens.

478
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Speaker 1: There is nothing even a little bit sexy about gardening.

479
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Speaker 4: You shouldn't deal with bees in a bikini.

480
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Speaker 2: You should or get too close to pooh, which is

481
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Speaker 2: a very large feature of gardening. That's why it's not sexy.

482
00:22:12,661 --> 00:22:14,942
Speaker 2: It's dirty, it's smelly, it's sweaty, it smells of poo.

483
00:22:14,982 --> 00:22:17,821
Speaker 2: There are worms that are creepy crawleys, there's mold. You're

484
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Speaker 2: chopping things and slashing things, and you're wearing a really

485
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Speaker 2: bad hat. You're wearing sun protections, garden wrinkley, and no

486
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Speaker 2: one would cry about getting horseshit down their gardening clothes.

487
00:22:30,942 --> 00:22:33,782
Speaker 2: If you're wearing a red bikini, that's a problem. Stop

488
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Speaker 2: trying to be sexy gardening. I'm not having it.

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Speaker 4: I want to share my truth with you both today. Meya.

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Speaker 3: When we prepare for this podcast, you think it's best

491
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Speaker 3: that we all sit together, mostly so you have people

492
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Speaker 3: to talk to, like a chatty high school child who

493
00:22:49,222 --> 00:22:51,542
Speaker 3: when you're caught you just say I was asking a

494
00:22:51,621 --> 00:22:53,821
Speaker 3: question about the homework, but you weren't.

495
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Speaker 2: What were you?

496
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Speaker 4: You never were?

497
00:22:55,182 --> 00:22:57,581
Speaker 3: You were showing them a picture of an Oscar's dress,

498
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Speaker 3: and that is distracting the rest of the class, which

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Speaker 3: is Holly and I and everyone else. My truth is

500
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Speaker 3: that I hate preparing within ten meters of you because

501
00:23:05,861 --> 00:23:07,341
Speaker 3: I prefer to focus.

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Speaker 4: Do you respect my truth?

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Speaker 1: My truth is that I just want to be near

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Speaker 1: you at all time.

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Speaker 4: I know both of you, I know all of you.

506
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Speaker 3: And this is what our manager has to do with

507
00:23:15,982 --> 00:23:17,862
Speaker 3: is us going. Our truths are different, and I want

508
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Speaker 3: me to leave me alone. I wanted to talk about

509
00:23:19,982 --> 00:23:22,022
Speaker 3: my truth today because of a column that came out

510
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Speaker 3: over the weekend by Cherry Gilmour in the Sydney Morning Herald.

511
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Speaker 3: She writes that she is sick of other people's truths

512
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Speaker 3: because it's a catch all for someone's interpretation of events,

513
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Speaker 3: and usually it's an excuse for poor behavior.

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Speaker 1: My truth is that we prepare better when we're in

515
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Speaker 1: a group. That's my truth. I'm just speaking my truth.

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Speaker 4: When there's two different truth.

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Speaker 2: Truth, that's not my truth. I'm definitely prepared, but it's

518
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Speaker 2: my truth.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we say two things can be true, except

520
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Speaker 3: when there's three of us and we have a tiebreaker,

521
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Speaker 3: which is holly.

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Speaker 2: You know what's funny, Jesse, though, actually, just on this

523
00:23:53,341 --> 00:23:55,381
Speaker 2: is that I've been because I'm more of a people

524
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Speaker 2: pleaser than you. I've been going to sit near me

525
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Speaker 2: because I know she likes it, and she tries so

526
00:23:59,901 --> 00:24:01,782
Speaker 2: hard not to say the thing. It's like she's like

527
00:24:01,821 --> 00:24:05,341
Speaker 2: a child. She's like, I'm gonna put'n be really really quiet,

528
00:24:05,381 --> 00:24:06,022
Speaker 2: and then she's.

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Speaker 1: Like, God, my truth was that I was very noisy

530
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Speaker 1: today while we were watching the Red Carpet pretending to

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Speaker 1: prepare apologies, Jesse.

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Speaker 2: Please continue.

533
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Speaker 3: My case in point is married at first Sight. It

534
00:24:18,262 --> 00:24:21,462
Speaker 3: is a thrown around phrase on Australia's biggest reality show,

535
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Speaker 3: with participant re arguing if.

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Speaker 1: You are feeling a certain way about somebody, I feel

537
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Speaker 1: like it's better to speak your truth than hold it in.

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Speaker 3: You have a lot in common with Remap and that's

539
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Speaker 3: why she writes long letters about her feelings. And also

540
00:24:34,742 --> 00:24:37,182
Speaker 3: she was happy to rank the hotness of other participants,

541
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Speaker 3: even if it might hurt her fake husband. If you

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00:24:40,542 --> 00:24:43,782
Speaker 3: rewatch Belle gibson sixty minutes interview, she spoke a lot

543
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Speaker 3: about her reality and her truth, and that made it

544
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Speaker 3: impossible for her to know her age or if she

545
00:24:48,462 --> 00:24:52,581
Speaker 3: had brain cancer. Oprah Winfrey praised Megan Markle for speaking

546
00:24:52,581 --> 00:24:55,701
Speaker 3: her truth in that famous twenty twenty one interview. My

547
00:24:55,861 --> 00:24:59,901
Speaker 3: question is is my truth different to the truth?

548
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Speaker 1: Well, clearly, because the truth is that we prepare better

549
00:25:02,141 --> 00:25:05,221
Speaker 1: as a group, That is the truth. I think it's

550
00:25:05,341 --> 00:25:08,861
Speaker 1: so interesting. I loved this piece because when you say

551
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Speaker 1: I'm speaking my truth, it's a real He's ruined the

552
00:25:12,742 --> 00:25:16,022
Speaker 1: term trump card, but it's a real trump card because

553
00:25:16,702 --> 00:25:20,821
Speaker 1: it's basically claiming ownership of the truth when you say

554
00:25:20,901 --> 00:25:23,821
Speaker 1: my truth, and what you actually just mean is here's

555
00:25:23,821 --> 00:25:27,741
Speaker 1: my opinion, here's what I think, here's my perspective. The

556
00:25:27,782 --> 00:25:32,181
Speaker 1: word truth used to have an objective meaning, but my

557
00:25:32,381 --> 00:25:35,902
Speaker 1: truth is purely subjective. It's not only a flaw. That's

558
00:25:35,942 --> 00:25:39,101
Speaker 1: the feature of it is that it's purely subjective, but

559
00:25:39,222 --> 00:25:41,941
Speaker 1: it has a lot of ownership over the ideas.

560
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Speaker 3: So what's the factually correct definition of truth? Is it

561
00:25:44,982 --> 00:25:47,662
Speaker 3: means something that is in accordance with fact or reality.

562
00:25:47,702 --> 00:25:50,222
Speaker 3: So it can something just be in accordance with your reality?

563
00:25:50,702 --> 00:25:53,262
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it can, because I think I can't

564
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Speaker 2: believe I'm going to defend speaking my truth because it

565
00:25:56,901 --> 00:25:59,661
Speaker 2: is one of my bugbears, especially on reality TV, when

566
00:25:59,742 --> 00:26:03,422
Speaker 2: it is always used as a precursor to something really,

567
00:26:03,581 --> 00:26:04,302
Speaker 2: really awful.

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00:26:04,381 --> 00:26:05,262
Speaker 1: It's like a disclaimer.

569
00:26:05,341 --> 00:26:08,342
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a disclaimer. It's like, with all due respect,

570
00:26:08,341 --> 00:26:10,302
Speaker 2: and then you're the worst piece of shit I've ever

571
00:26:10,621 --> 00:26:11,341
Speaker 2: that's just my truth.

572
00:26:11,381 --> 00:26:12,421
Speaker 1: Well, I'm just being honest.

573
00:26:12,502 --> 00:26:14,861
Speaker 2: But I have to say there are many things that

574
00:26:14,901 --> 00:26:16,982
Speaker 2: are empirically true or not, but then there's a lot

575
00:26:16,982 --> 00:26:19,181
Speaker 2: of hazy shit that who knows if it's true or not.

576
00:26:19,341 --> 00:26:21,101
Speaker 2: And I have my truth and you have yours. So

577
00:26:21,502 --> 00:26:24,861
Speaker 2: relationship breakdowns are a classic example of this. Your friends

578
00:26:24,901 --> 00:26:27,821
Speaker 2: are getting divorced. She has a truth of what happened

579
00:26:27,821 --> 00:26:30,141
Speaker 2: in that relationship. He has a truth of what happened

580
00:26:30,182 --> 00:26:33,141
Speaker 2: in that relationship. What's the truth too? Things there isn't true,

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00:26:33,381 --> 00:26:35,782
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? There isn't a truth because

582
00:26:36,101 --> 00:26:38,381
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously there has to be an established truth

583
00:26:38,422 --> 00:26:41,141
Speaker 2: made if then in court, if we're agreeing custody are

584
00:26:41,182 --> 00:26:45,742
Speaker 2: something complicated, but generally about why something very human between

585
00:26:45,782 --> 00:26:48,742
Speaker 2: two messy humans falls apart. There isn't a truth. There's

586
00:26:48,782 --> 00:26:52,381
Speaker 2: only the truths of the people involved. So how something

587
00:26:52,462 --> 00:26:56,421
Speaker 2: makes me feel is my truth if it can't be

588
00:26:56,462 --> 00:26:58,182
Speaker 2: empirically proven by anybody else.

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Speaker 3: What's interesting is that this like it's been described as psychobabble,

590
00:27:02,101 --> 00:27:03,702
Speaker 3: the idea that you could sit there, and it's really

591
00:27:03,702 --> 00:27:06,701
Speaker 3: been popularized by Oprah. She's often talked about, you know,

592
00:27:06,901 --> 00:27:09,101
Speaker 3: I'm gonna let you speak your truth, which I wonder

593
00:27:09,302 --> 00:27:13,341
Speaker 3: see if that defends a little bit against defamation, because

594
00:27:13,341 --> 00:27:15,861
Speaker 3: if you're just telling your truth, then maybe you can't

595
00:27:15,861 --> 00:27:18,782
Speaker 3: be sued by the royal family who are like that

596
00:27:18,942 --> 00:27:22,782
Speaker 3: technically didn't happen. But the fact that psychobabble is funny

597
00:27:22,782 --> 00:27:26,222
Speaker 3: because it's almost in direct opposition to what psychologists often do,

598
00:27:26,782 --> 00:27:28,861
Speaker 3: which is, if you sit there and you say this

599
00:27:29,022 --> 00:27:31,462
Speaker 3: is my truth, they.

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00:27:31,381 --> 00:27:33,661
Speaker 1: Will anxious because everyone at work hates me.

601
00:27:33,821 --> 00:27:36,662
Speaker 3: Yes, they don't, go, okay, let's deal with the fact

602
00:27:36,702 --> 00:27:39,141
Speaker 3: everyone at work hates that's your truth. They challenge the

603
00:27:39,222 --> 00:27:45,462
Speaker 3: truth because our truths should be movable and malieable, and

604
00:27:45,542 --> 00:27:47,662
Speaker 3: we should hold them up to the light and see

605
00:27:47,661 --> 00:27:51,101
Speaker 3: if they're actually in accordance with facts and reality. But

606
00:27:51,341 --> 00:27:54,302
Speaker 3: when we say my truth, it's almost like we want

607
00:27:54,302 --> 00:27:56,701
Speaker 3: it set in stone and we hold it as this

608
00:27:56,782 --> 00:27:59,741
Speaker 3: thing that we own that you can't take away from me.

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00:27:59,982 --> 00:28:00,942
Speaker 1: I think it's a power move.

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00:28:01,341 --> 00:28:03,782
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like our stories are never changing, even though

611
00:28:03,982 --> 00:28:05,662
Speaker 3: they're constantly changing.

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00:28:05,742 --> 00:28:08,901
Speaker 2: I also think that just dismissing it is a move

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00:28:08,982 --> 00:28:11,622
Speaker 2: that bullies use because you know, often it'll be when

614
00:28:11,621 --> 00:28:13,661
Speaker 2: you say, I know that person was trying to insult me. No,

615
00:28:13,742 --> 00:28:15,902
Speaker 2: they weren't. Of course they weren't. It's like, yes, they were.

616
00:28:15,982 --> 00:28:19,782
Speaker 3: So that is there's an argument that actually, my truth

617
00:28:20,101 --> 00:28:24,341
Speaker 3: is what activism is all about. It's rooted in individuals

618
00:28:24,821 --> 00:28:27,221
Speaker 3: telling their story that. For example, if you look at

619
00:28:27,262 --> 00:28:30,502
Speaker 3: the Me Too movement, is that not just my truth?

620
00:28:30,982 --> 00:28:31,982
Speaker 2: Like the large part of it is.

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00:28:32,022 --> 00:28:34,061
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure if Harvey Weinstein would say his

622
00:28:34,101 --> 00:28:34,821
Speaker 1: truth was different.

623
00:28:34,861 --> 00:28:36,861
Speaker 2: I'm sure that the DJ put his hand on Taylor

624
00:28:36,901 --> 00:28:39,782
Speaker 2: Swift's ass, His truth is that he just needed somewhere

625
00:28:39,782 --> 00:28:42,421
Speaker 2: to rest his hand. Her truth is you're groping me.

626
00:28:42,502 --> 00:28:44,941
Speaker 2: Because I have a whole lot of experience in my

627
00:28:45,022 --> 00:28:48,461
Speaker 2: life that tells me when men accidentally touch you. So

628
00:28:48,742 --> 00:28:53,182
Speaker 2: sometimes dismissing people's truths is a way of dismissing inconvenient

629
00:28:53,262 --> 00:28:54,622
Speaker 2: feelings to your narrative.

630
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Speaker 4: You know what I find interesting is have you guys

631
00:28:57,382 --> 00:29:00,622
Speaker 4: heard of truth Social the new platform.

632
00:29:00,102 --> 00:29:01,302
Speaker 2: That's where Donald Trump lives.

633
00:29:01,422 --> 00:29:03,462
Speaker 4: Yes, that's where Donald Trump leeves is we need to

634
00:29:03,502 --> 00:29:04,542
Speaker 4: ban him from the situation.

635
00:29:04,542 --> 00:29:06,302
Speaker 1: And do you know what, instead of calling them tweets,

636
00:29:06,302 --> 00:29:09,022
Speaker 1: they're called truths. Like when you make a post on

637
00:29:09,022 --> 00:29:11,942
Speaker 1: truth Social, they're called truth, which is terrifying.

638
00:29:12,142 --> 00:29:15,181
Speaker 3: I think that is very severely, very clever, that the

639
00:29:15,342 --> 00:29:19,382
Speaker 3: new social media platform that people use. And I saw

640
00:29:19,982 --> 00:29:22,501
Speaker 3: someone I know do this recently. She shared something that

641
00:29:22,582 --> 00:29:26,142
Speaker 3: was blatant misinformation and then said to all her followers,

642
00:29:26,382 --> 00:29:29,222
Speaker 3: that's just my truth. And I think that it's now

643
00:29:29,302 --> 00:29:32,981
Speaker 3: being used as defending really unpopular.

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00:29:32,582 --> 00:29:33,062
Speaker 2: You gave that.

645
00:29:33,142 --> 00:29:35,902
Speaker 1: You gave that example before when Tara Brown asked Bell Gibson,

646
00:29:36,742 --> 00:29:38,941
Speaker 1: were you lying and she said no, because that was

647
00:29:39,022 --> 00:29:42,421
Speaker 1: my truth. I believed I had cancer, so that was

648
00:29:42,502 --> 00:29:45,822
Speaker 1: my truth. And it's one of those things that's very

649
00:29:45,822 --> 00:29:49,342
Speaker 1: manipulative because you can't argue with it when someone says

650
00:29:49,942 --> 00:29:53,421
Speaker 1: that's my truth. You can't deny that it is their truth.

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Speaker 1: But what I think they're using it as a proxy

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Speaker 1: for is that is the truth as you said earlier,

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Speaker 1: which is it's almost like I'm going to weeh on

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Speaker 1: the tree of the truth and claim it as my

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Speaker 1: own by calling it my truth.

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Speaker 2: It's Oscar's Day and we've got a breakdown the controversies

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Speaker 2: that didn't even make the Red Carpet.

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Speaker 3: Every Tuesday and Thursday we drop new segments of Mummy

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Speaker 3: Are Out Loud just for MUMMYA subscribers. Follow the link

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Speaker 3: in the show notes to get your daily Joseph out

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Speaker 3: Loud And a big thank you to all our current subscribers.

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Speaker 5: For such a prestigious night. It's important that everyone is

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Speaker 5: properly dressed. Okay, Adam, go there, Adam, what are you wearing?

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Speaker 3: Nobody even thought about what I was wearing you and

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Speaker 3: brought it up.

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Speaker 5: You're dressed like a guy playing video poker at two am, Adam.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, God, I like the way I

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Speaker 1: look cuts. I'm a good person.

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Speaker 2: So my Timothy's and Lemon. Have you seen him?

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Speaker 4: I haven't seen him yet.

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Speaker 2: Night as we record this show today, the Red Carpet

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Speaker 2: has just finished, the ceremony has started.

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Speaker 1: Some of us know what people wearing the Red carpet

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Speaker 1: because we were doing our prep in front of the

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Speaker 1: TV together.

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Speaker 2: Wearing a glorious lemon suit is a sparkling sequin vision.

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Speaker 2: Isn't she Maya?

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Speaker 4: I saw Ariana. She looks like a doll.

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Speaker 1: I have very few notes for the red carpet. I

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Speaker 1: thought they're outstanding. We're going to be talking about it

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Speaker 1: more tomorrow, but it was really high quality this year.

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Speaker 2: If you care deeply about it proper, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: give me a fashion.

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Speaker 1: Free, honest fashion feedback from me and an Oscar deep

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Speaker 1: dive on our subscriber app.

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Speaker 2: But today we thought we'd bring you up to date

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Speaker 2: on some of the ding dongs behind that tasteful neutral backdrop,

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Speaker 2: in the form of the controversies that have threatened to

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Speaker 2: derail the Oscars this year before they even began. Who's

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Speaker 2: going first? Is it you?

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Speaker 1: Fred? Me? Now, this has probably been the biggest controversy,

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Speaker 1: not just of this Oscar season, but almost of any

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Speaker 1: Oscar season, not since Oscar's So White, when there was

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Speaker 1: that big pushback by people saying that too many of

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Speaker 1: the Oscar voters were white and that was causing a

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Speaker 1: complete lack of diversity in the nominees. That has since

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Speaker 1: been rectified. But this year it's a controversy that probably

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Speaker 1: rivals that one. Carlo Sophia Gascon is the first openly

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Speaker 1: transactress who was nominated for a lead acting oscar for

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Speaker 1: her role in Amelia Perez. She has faced significant backlash

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Speaker 1: and has pretty much blown up her entire campaign when

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Speaker 1: offensive tweets from twenty sixteen to twenty twenty four resurface

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Speaker 1: soon after she won the Golden Globe for Best Actress

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Speaker 1: in a Musical or Comedy. John eight years are bad tweets,

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Speaker 1: you don't know now. The idea of going through someone's past

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Speaker 1: tweets to discredit them, or embarrass them or disqualify them

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Speaker 1: from something is not new, and usually I'm not a

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Speaker 1: fan of that because I think we all want to

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Speaker 1: believe that people can grow and change. These tweets are

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Speaker 1: fairly recent. Twenty sixteen to twenty twenty four is the

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Speaker 1: time period we're talking about.

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Speaker 2: You mean, like the one where she said Islam is

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Speaker 2: becoming a hotbed of infection for humanity that urgently needs

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Speaker 2: to be cured.

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Speaker 1: That one plus on George Floyd in twenty twos, she said,

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Speaker 1: I really think that very few people ever cared about

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Speaker 1: George Floyd, a drug addict, swindler, and then back to

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Speaker 1: the Oscars So White campaign. She spoke about the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one Oscars, she said, I didn't know if I

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Speaker 1: was watching an Afro Korean festival, a Black Lives Matter demonstration,

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Speaker 1: or the Women's March. So while her nomination was heralded

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Speaker 1: by many as triumph for inclusion, the irony is that

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Speaker 1: these sort of homophobic, islamophobic, sexist, racist tweets did not

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Speaker 1: paint her in a very good light, and it brought

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Speaker 1: the whole campaign for her movie, which was a Netflix film,

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Speaker 1: into disrepute. She deactivated her ex account soon after, and

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Speaker 1: she went rogue. She organized her own interview on CNN

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Speaker 1: Espanol and it was an absolute car wreck. And at

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Speaker 1: that point Netflix basically said, we're not paying for your

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Speaker 1: awards show travel anymore. And it's very expensive because it's

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Speaker 1: been a very condensed, busy awards show season, and usually

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Speaker 1: the studio will pay for wardrobes, are stylis, tear and

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Speaker 1: makeup your travel, your accommodation, all of those things. So

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Speaker 1: she's been absent from a lot of the awards, including

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Speaker 1: the SAgs and some of the other award shows.

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Speaker 4: Was she there at the Oscars?

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Speaker 1: So she skipped the Red Carpet, and she did feature

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Speaker 1: in Conan O'Brien's opening monologue. He's what he said, Carlo

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Speaker 1: Sophia Gascon is here tonight and yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 5: And Carla, if you are going to tweet about the Oscars,

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Speaker 5: remember my name is Jimmy Kimmel.

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Speaker 1: So yeah. People are saying that that could bring down

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Speaker 1: Zoe Saldana's campaign for Best Supporting Actress, although now that

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Speaker 1: seems to be on lock. By the time you listen

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Speaker 1: to this will know she'll probably win Best Supporting.

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Speaker 3: I want to talk about the controversy around The Brutalist,

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Speaker 3: the movie with Adrian Brody and Felicity Jones.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing, Aval Hollie.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to say it, but I want to

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Speaker 4: have seen it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, it's like you want to have input it. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The controversy around this started with an interview with the

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Speaker 3: Oscar nominated editor and he said in passing, Oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: we used a software company which specializes in AI voice

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Speaker 3: generating tech to make Adrian Brody and Felicity Jones sound

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Speaker 3: more authentic when they spoke Hungarian in the film, So

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Speaker 3: for context, most of the time they're speaking English with

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Speaker 3: a Hungarian accent.

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Speaker 4: That's all them.

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Speaker 3: But there are a few lines where they're speaking Hungarian,

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Speaker 3: and the aim of the film was we want it

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Speaker 3: to be that the most local Hungarian could not tell

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Speaker 3: that these are accents. The director has said that it

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Speaker 3: was only used on certain vowels. And interestingly, when you

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Speaker 3: think about other films that have been made, if you're

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Speaker 3: editing a film in post production, think about autocha. Right,

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Speaker 3: so there are actually.

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Speaker 1: Tools that tune for speaking another language.

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Speaker 4: Yes, AND's okay, okay.

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Speaker 3: And so this guy, David Jansco who's the editor, actually

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Speaker 3: put his voice into the AI generator because he's Hungarian

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Speaker 3: and had it inflect their tone.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: They said, look, we could have done it with the

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Speaker 3: ordinary old software, but we had a limited budget was

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Speaker 3: only ten million dollars, and we didn't have a lot

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Speaker 3: of time, so we had to do it really really quickly.

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Speaker 3: It would still be in production if it wasn't for.

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Speaker 1: The He's going to be in so much trouble saying that,

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Speaker 1: exactly because these Oscars campaigns, they spend millions and millions

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Speaker 1: on them, their entire teams, and so that controversy.

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Speaker 2: I'd seen the headlines and I hadn't clear. I thought

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Speaker 2: that it was Ai had changed his voice throughout the

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Speaker 2: whole thing. That's not a big deal thing. Think it's

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Speaker 2: a tiny thing. I watched Conclave at the weekend. People

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Speaker 2: speak in so many different languages on that, and I'm

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Speaker 2: sure the same thing happened.

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Speaker 3: Question is, though, and this is what people have said,

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Speaker 3: Is it like performance enhancing drugs?

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Speaker 4: Is this like if.

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Speaker 1: I'm performance enhancing?

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Speaker 3: Actually, but that's I have to know that if I'm

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Speaker 3: judging the oscars? Do I have to know every time Ai,

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Speaker 3: what maybe changed your facial expression, maybe changed your accent

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Speaker 3: a little bit?

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Speaker 2: That is a very interesting question. Jesse Stevens. I will

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Speaker 2: I will allow that that is a very interesting question

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Speaker 2: because it's probably only going to get more and more common,

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Speaker 2: isn't it as we go on. Actors have always prided

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Speaker 2: themselves on can I do the accent? And that's the thing,

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Speaker 2: But can I do the accent while speaking in a

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Speaker 2: foreign language is a very high bar.

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Speaker 3: Well, Amelia Perez, this is what's interesting in that movie

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Speaker 3: her voice because she's not per singer.

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Speaker 1: Oh, the character's not per singer.

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Speaker 3: Yes, the actor's voice that's changed via Ai, like as

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Speaker 3: in they sinked her voice with the actual opera singer.

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Speaker 3: The same thing happened in the Angelina Jolie movie.

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Speaker 2: I know, but it seems silly to me. It's such

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Speaker 2: a gotcha. Yeah, it is a gotcha. And you know,

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Speaker 2: in my mate Timothy's movie, he sings like Bob Dylan.

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Speaker 2: Now apparently he did. They all sang their own parts,

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Speaker 2: those actors. I don't really care whether they sang their

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Speaker 2: own parts or not. I don't think being a good

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Speaker 2: actor necessarily means you can sing like Bob Dylan. It's like,

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Speaker 2: can you act like Bob Dylan? Do you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean?

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Speaker 1: So, if I different from having stunt doubles doing.

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Speaker 2: It instead of used AI to make him sound a

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Speaker 2: bit more like Bob Dylan's like a verbal stunt.

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Speaker 3: I think that it's a slippery slope though, right, And

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Speaker 3: this is what they're saying too at the end of

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Speaker 3: The Brutalist. It's a bit unclear if this is true

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Speaker 3: or not, but they say that there's some buildings that

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Speaker 3: are featured at the end that are partially AI generated.

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Speaker 3: So if I'm going to give you an award for cinematography,

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Speaker 3: how much do you have to declare what's ai what

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Speaker 3: was really an artist?

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Speaker 2: The whole Marvel movies are filmed against a green screen though, well,

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Speaker 2: that's true. Oh I've got another one. It's about whether

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Speaker 2: or not we think the ageism is in fact dead

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Speaker 2: in Hollywood. Oh yes, So a lot of people are

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Speaker 2: using as an example of the fact that finally in Hollywood,

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Speaker 2: women over forty are being well recognized by the fact

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Speaker 2: that it's almost certain, as I'm speaking this, Demi Moore

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Speaker 2: is clutching her Oscar. Ruth can always take that out

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Speaker 2: if it turns out not to be true. But hey,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure it's true.

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Speaker 4: You literally heard it here.

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Speaker 2: First, She's won every single other award of awards ceremonies

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Speaker 2: right now, although that wouldn't be that groundbreaking if she

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Speaker 2: wins that because the last ten or so winners of

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Speaker 2: Oscar female Oscars have generally been over forty, and some

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Speaker 2: of them have been sixty and whatever. But across the

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Speaker 2: board lately, across all kinds of roles in both TV

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Speaker 2: and movies, it seems like we're getting more and more

847
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Speaker 2: stories from older women. So you think about Obviously, there

848
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Speaker 2: is Demi as discussed Asabella Rosslyn. He's also nominated this

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Speaker 2: year Mary and John but tease. Pamela Anderson's been all

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Speaker 2: over the Awards show carpet with the Last Showgirl, Nicole Kidman,

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Speaker 2: and so on and so on and so on, and

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Speaker 2: a lot of people are saying, finally women are getting

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Speaker 2: roles throughout their life. There used to always be actresses

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Speaker 2: saying once you're thirty, you're dead. You only get to

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Speaker 2: play mumsy roles after that. And I thought it was

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Speaker 2: interesting when I interviewed Rachel Griffiths for me, if you

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Speaker 2: haven't listened to that, you should, because it's a really

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Speaker 2: good chat about all these things. I asked her why

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Speaker 2: she thought that was and I posited the provocative and

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Speaker 2: very mire esque theory that I was playing with. Is

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Speaker 2: it because they don't look like old women anymore? And

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Speaker 2: her theory was, actually because in today's entertainment landscape, it's

863
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Speaker 2: much much harder to become a movie star because we're

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Speaker 2: so fragmented, as we've discussed so often, and so we're

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Speaker 2: kind of stuck with the movie stars we have, whether

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Speaker 2: they are like Tom Cruise or whatever, with the minor

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Speaker 2: exceptions of like a Chalamet or a Zendea or Florence

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Speaker 2: Pe or Florence Peugh. It's getting harder and harder to

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Speaker 2: break in in a mainstream I can open a multimillion

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Speaker 2: dollar movie way, whereas your kidman is a safe bet

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Speaker 2: you know you, and that is playing well for the

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Speaker 2: old ladies. What do we think about that theory?

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Speaker 4: I think that's a fair theory.

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Speaker 3: Actually, I also think that there's more roles though, like

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Speaker 3: the reason that we're writing and directing more because women

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Speaker 3: are writing and directing, and I think that they literally

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Speaker 3: weren't roles for them twenty years ago. And you have

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Speaker 3: to be given a chance on a really complicated role

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Speaker 3: and that's what more and even kidmen have been given

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Speaker 3: are just brilliant scripts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think it's a coincidence that The Substance

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Speaker 2: and Baby Girl are both written and directed by women.

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Speaker 2: And although women are still very underrepresented in those categories directing, screenplay, producing,

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Speaker 2: when it was all water wool men, they were very

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Speaker 2: interested in women's lives after the age of twenty eight.

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Speaker 4: No, that's so true.

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Speaker 3: Can I add one more thing in have you seen

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Speaker 3: the interview with Ariana Grande where her voice allegedly changes halfway?

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Speaker 2: Is this another ai?

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Speaker 1: I think, Oh no, this is another sort of Awards

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Speaker 1: Show season controversy that she sort of got stuck in

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Speaker 1: her Glinda voice and has kept it.

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Speaker 4: Yes, so listen to this.

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Speaker 2: That's the only thing I thought. That's how I felt.

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Speaker 2: I was like, what has happened?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know, but yeah, I've been writing a

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Speaker 5: lot and maybe there's some more, but I would like

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Speaker 5: to do a deluxe.

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Speaker 1: That's so interesting. I think that she's been quite honest

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Speaker 1: about that and just said I think I'm going to

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Speaker 1: keep this voice because she had to do a lot

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Speaker 1: of work to change her voice for the role, and

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Speaker 1: so she decided to keep it through the press tour,

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Speaker 1: and because that's gone on for so long, and because

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Speaker 1: there's still another movie, another press tour to come, I

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Speaker 1: think it's just she's decided to keep it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: She actually commented on it and said, there is a

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Speaker 3: part of the world that isn't familiar with what it

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Speaker 3: takes to transform your voice, whether that's singing or dialect,

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Speaker 3: like the amount of focus you have to have. And

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Speaker 3: it reminded me of Austin Butler. And in the wake

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Speaker 3: of Elvis and every interview he did, he was just Elvis,

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Speaker 3: men do it all the time. But what was interesting

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Speaker 3: is we saw Ariana kind of break it for a minute.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I thought what was most interesting about the controversy

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Speaker 1: that was not a controversy this Awards season was her

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Speaker 1: relationship with her co star Bok Munchkin, Yes Ethan's later

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Speaker 1: earlier in the Awards season, his ex wife wrote a

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Speaker 1: piece about being a therapist and how she felt about

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Speaker 1: getting a divorce from this person who was very high profile.

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Speaker 3: If you want all the information on that, we've done

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Speaker 3: a subscriber so there will be a link.

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Speaker 1: So fascinating, and I think what's astonishing is that she

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Speaker 1: has been so outside during this whole promotional tour. It's

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Speaker 1: been pretty much since November non stop for October on stop,

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Speaker 1: and she's done a million interviews. She's been very accessible,

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Speaker 1: and it has not blown up. They've not walked red

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Speaker 1: carpets together. They're still very much together, but they've been

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Speaker 1: together at awards shows, and yet there's been no blowback

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Speaker 1: on her, which I think is very masterfully handled because

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Speaker 1: that could have derailed the whole Yeah campaign. And she's

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Speaker 1: also nominated, She's unlikely to win, but she's nominated for

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Speaker 1: Best Supporting Actress.

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Speaker 2: Oscars Day is like a little bit Christmas Day for me.

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Speaker 2: I love Oscars Day. I know you don't care, Jesseet,

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Speaker 2: I really love love love it. Anyway, what do you

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Speaker 2: love about it? I love the frocks, I love the ceremony,

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Speaker 2: I love the speeches. I like seeing all of the

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Speaker 2: big stars like in one place, interacting with you.

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Speaker 5: See.

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Speaker 1: I feel that's my Golden Globes.

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Speaker 2: I love love it.

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Speaker 1: Golden Globes is a bit more rogue, and there's also

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Speaker 1: TV at gold Well.

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Speaker 2: It's true you get a better spread, but the Oscars

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Speaker 2: is the pinnacle. The Oscars is the most important one. Anyway.

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Speaker 2: A massive thank you to all of you out louders

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Speaker 2: for listening to our show. As we said, if you do,

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Speaker 2: if you feel the way I do about the Oscars,

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Speaker 2: Deep Drive tomorrow, If you just want to hear MIA's

952
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Speaker 2: very good red carpet commentary, Deep Drive tomorrow. Otherwise we

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Speaker 2: will be back in your ears as usual all week.

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Speaker 2: Massive thank you you've been here with us, and thank

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Speaker 2: you to our fabulous team for putting the show together.

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Speaker 1: Huge week. Megan's show comes out this week. It's not

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Speaker 1: just the Oscars, it's really Christmas for you. This week

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Speaker 1: You've got the whole Megan Gardening cooking show dropping, so

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Speaker 1: make sure you listen.

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Speaker 2: We'll be covering all of your gardening in a bikini

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Speaker 2: by Friday.

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Speaker 1: Bye. Shout out to any Mum and Maya subscribers listening.

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