1 00:00:08,234 --> 00:00:28,034 Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:19,754 --> 00:00:22,634 Speaker 2: From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop 3 00:00:22,674 --> 00:00:25,954 Speaker 2: culture fix. I'm Laura Brodneck and I'm Cancenula Gitch and 4 00:00:26,114 --> 00:00:28,314 Speaker 2: coming up on the show today, Lily Allen has gone 5 00:00:28,434 --> 00:00:31,274 Speaker 2: viral yet again for another moment from her new album 6 00:00:31,314 --> 00:00:34,233 Speaker 2: West End Girl. But now the woman involved in her 7 00:00:34,314 --> 00:00:36,314 Speaker 2: hit song is begging her to stop. We're going to 8 00:00:36,354 --> 00:00:39,993 Speaker 2: get into all that. Plus, Amy Schumer has announced that 9 00:00:40,034 --> 00:00:42,953 Speaker 2: she is officially divorcing her husband. We're going to unpack 10 00:00:42,994 --> 00:00:45,434 Speaker 2: her divorce announcement in their relationship because there's a lot 11 00:00:45,434 --> 00:00:47,553 Speaker 2: of different things that play here, and she's very sadly 12 00:00:47,593 --> 00:00:49,353 Speaker 2: been on divorce watch for a while from a lot 13 00:00:49,394 --> 00:00:50,993 Speaker 2: of tabloids, which we're going to get into that. It's 14 00:00:50,994 --> 00:00:53,754 Speaker 2: a bit of a messy situation. But first, something a 15 00:00:53,754 --> 00:00:55,554 Speaker 2: little bit more glamorous, something. 16 00:00:55,314 --> 00:00:58,794 Speaker 3: A little bit more fun. Now we have this news. 17 00:00:59,234 --> 00:01:01,993 Speaker 3: This news was announced last week. We have our co 18 00:01:02,194 --> 00:01:05,434 Speaker 3: chairs for the Met Gala, and Beyonce is at the 19 00:01:05,474 --> 00:01:09,034 Speaker 3: top of the list. Cole Kidman Venus Williams are also 20 00:01:09,074 --> 00:01:12,114 Speaker 3: going to be co chairs at next years Met Gala, 21 00:01:12,114 --> 00:01:15,514 Speaker 3: which always happens on the first Monday in May. But 22 00:01:15,794 --> 00:01:18,953 Speaker 3: people are really excited about Beyonce being on the board 23 00:01:18,954 --> 00:01:21,394 Speaker 3: because she actually hasn't been to the met Gala since 24 00:01:21,474 --> 00:01:22,634 Speaker 3: twenty sixteen. 25 00:01:23,114 --> 00:01:25,994 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was an interesting announcement because there's always like 26 00:01:26,034 --> 00:01:27,634 Speaker 2: just before the announcement has made a bit of a 27 00:01:27,674 --> 00:01:30,634 Speaker 2: flurry around which celebrities and taste makers would be involved. 28 00:01:30,874 --> 00:01:33,434 Speaker 2: So we know that the theme for this year's event is 29 00:01:33,554 --> 00:01:37,154 Speaker 2: the twenty twenty six exhibition theme costume Art, and when 30 00:01:37,154 --> 00:01:39,994 Speaker 2: it was announced that Beyonce would be one of the chairs. 31 00:01:40,034 --> 00:01:42,474 Speaker 2: So the chairs to the event, like on paper, they're 32 00:01:42,514 --> 00:01:44,354 Speaker 2: meant to help run the events. They're meant to help 33 00:01:44,394 --> 00:01:46,514 Speaker 2: with coming up with styling choices, they're meant to help 34 00:01:46,514 --> 00:01:48,034 Speaker 2: with the guest list. They're meant to sort of like 35 00:01:48,154 --> 00:01:51,794 Speaker 2: hone the creative force of the evening. And obviously they're 36 00:01:51,834 --> 00:01:54,754 Speaker 2: standing on the carpet next to Anna Wintur on the 37 00:01:54,834 --> 00:01:57,514 Speaker 2: night greeting guests and talking to them and saying hello. 38 00:01:57,954 --> 00:02:00,114 Speaker 2: I actually kind of think that behind the scenes they're 39 00:02:00,154 --> 00:02:03,314 Speaker 2: probably not that involved. Like I don't think Anna Wintour's 40 00:02:03,674 --> 00:02:06,114 Speaker 2: saying to anyone, especially some of the random men that 41 00:02:06,154 --> 00:02:08,834 Speaker 2: have sometimes been involved as co chairs. I don't think 42 00:02:08,874 --> 00:02:10,874 Speaker 2: she's saying to them, which table setting do you like? 43 00:02:10,913 --> 00:02:13,194 Speaker 2: I feel like it's more of an honorary position, but 44 00:02:13,234 --> 00:02:14,914 Speaker 2: on the night you're very public facing. 45 00:02:15,034 --> 00:02:17,274 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's more it's almost like the face 46 00:02:17,354 --> 00:02:20,914 Speaker 3: of the particular yeah theme. You know, you become a 47 00:02:20,954 --> 00:02:24,314 Speaker 3: really pivotal part of that theme. And there may be 48 00:02:24,354 --> 00:02:26,994 Speaker 3: some discussions around like where they're sitting, or maybe they 49 00:02:27,154 --> 00:02:29,834 Speaker 3: say they say something, but they're absolutely not doing the 50 00:02:29,834 --> 00:02:30,594 Speaker 3: party planning. 51 00:02:30,914 --> 00:02:33,674 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, and then they get to do some special stuff. 52 00:02:33,714 --> 00:02:35,514 Speaker 2: So if you're like the Year's and day A hosters, 53 00:02:35,514 --> 00:02:36,954 Speaker 2: she walks through a car, but at the start to 54 00:02:36,994 --> 00:02:40,554 Speaker 2: open it, went backstage, changed dresses, came back around with 55 00:02:40,594 --> 00:02:42,474 Speaker 2: her other dress, and kind of closed the car. But 56 00:02:42,514 --> 00:02:44,554 Speaker 2: so do little things like that. So yeah, I guess 57 00:02:44,554 --> 00:02:46,994 Speaker 2: everyone's looking to Beyonce because it has been over a 58 00:02:47,074 --> 00:02:49,514 Speaker 2: decade since she's been to the Met Gala. Everyone's kind 59 00:02:49,514 --> 00:02:52,434 Speaker 2: of looking to what kind of spectacle she'll do or 60 00:02:52,474 --> 00:02:54,234 Speaker 2: how she'll make it her moment. Yeah. 61 00:02:54,234 --> 00:02:56,714 Speaker 3: Her arrivals at the Met Gala have always famously been 62 00:02:56,834 --> 00:02:59,194 Speaker 3: very very late. She was always like the last person 63 00:02:59,234 --> 00:03:02,594 Speaker 3: to arrive, and so since twenty sixteen, everybody's kind of 64 00:03:02,594 --> 00:03:04,314 Speaker 3: been like, oh my god, is she coming? Is she 65 00:03:04,394 --> 00:03:07,234 Speaker 3: coming in? She come in, because in previous years they've 66 00:03:07,274 --> 00:03:09,674 Speaker 3: been like packing the carpet up and she'd walk. So 67 00:03:10,114 --> 00:03:12,834 Speaker 3: she's famously always late, so people are really excited about this. 68 00:03:13,034 --> 00:03:15,714 Speaker 3: The last time we saw her was in the jivonch 69 00:03:16,114 --> 00:03:20,834 Speaker 3: latex gown, which she was for Manus Ex Machina back 70 00:03:20,874 --> 00:03:24,034 Speaker 3: in twenty sixteen, which was an incredible dress with those 71 00:03:24,074 --> 00:03:27,674 Speaker 3: like big puffy like latex shoulders. But the one that 72 00:03:27,794 --> 00:03:30,794 Speaker 3: I remember that the most is the year before, which 73 00:03:30,834 --> 00:03:33,194 Speaker 3: was China through the Looking Glass, and she wore that 74 00:03:33,234 --> 00:03:35,234 Speaker 3: really sparkly a sort of see through, which is not 75 00:03:35,314 --> 00:03:37,914 Speaker 3: It was not dissimilar to what she wore the year after. 76 00:03:38,514 --> 00:03:42,634 Speaker 3: The reason I loved this year was because again she 77 00:03:42,714 --> 00:03:44,874 Speaker 3: was running super late and she got into the lift 78 00:03:44,914 --> 00:03:48,594 Speaker 3: and she was with her hair stylist, Neil Farner, and 79 00:03:48,634 --> 00:03:50,954 Speaker 3: he steal does her hair to this day. And she 80 00:03:51,114 --> 00:03:54,194 Speaker 3: said in the lift, I don't like my chignon anymore? 81 00:03:54,234 --> 00:03:56,674 Speaker 3: Can you change it? And he did that really crazy 82 00:03:56,914 --> 00:03:57,994 Speaker 3: high pony. 83 00:03:57,874 --> 00:03:59,874 Speaker 2: In really high pony to the site. I think of 84 00:03:59,954 --> 00:04:03,634 Speaker 2: that story every time I see her iconic stop Let's 85 00:04:03,674 --> 00:04:05,714 Speaker 2: see where she's going up the Megala steps and she 86 00:04:05,834 --> 00:04:08,314 Speaker 2: stops with like one like on one step, the other 87 00:04:08,394 --> 00:04:10,594 Speaker 2: leg gest steps down to kind of really show off 88 00:04:10,634 --> 00:04:14,114 Speaker 2: the dress and that high ponytail that's so like like 89 00:04:14,154 --> 00:04:16,274 Speaker 2: a like a kid going to primary school and they've 90 00:04:16,313 --> 00:04:17,914 Speaker 2: done their own hair in the car. 91 00:04:18,034 --> 00:04:21,594 Speaker 3: It's it's a bit eighty. But so she got but yeah, 92 00:04:21,674 --> 00:04:24,753 Speaker 3: she that is like the most iconic story of you know, 93 00:04:24,794 --> 00:04:26,314 Speaker 3: those last minute things. 94 00:04:26,633 --> 00:04:28,993 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always interesting how she and Rihanna are always 95 00:04:29,034 --> 00:04:31,633 Speaker 2: the two that are vying for the latest arrival at 96 00:04:31,674 --> 00:04:33,633 Speaker 2: these events, and like that's kind of a thing of 97 00:04:33,674 --> 00:04:37,234 Speaker 2: like the most powerful person arrives the latest, which I mean, 98 00:04:37,274 --> 00:04:39,873 Speaker 2: I don't love all those reports they're fighting and all 99 00:04:39,914 --> 00:04:41,553 Speaker 2: those things that have happened over the year because it's 100 00:04:41,553 --> 00:04:43,633 Speaker 2: that long kind of history between them, But I'm like, 101 00:04:43,674 --> 00:04:45,274 Speaker 2: I do love that they're both just like I will 102 00:04:45,274 --> 00:04:45,833 Speaker 2: be the latest. 103 00:04:46,154 --> 00:04:48,713 Speaker 3: I always think about the Metgala for me the reason 104 00:04:48,753 --> 00:04:51,034 Speaker 3: it's so fun and I feel like it hasn't really 105 00:04:51,393 --> 00:04:53,274 Speaker 3: hit the same in the last couple of years. But 106 00:04:53,393 --> 00:04:55,393 Speaker 3: do you remember that Lady Gaga look where she did 107 00:04:55,674 --> 00:04:57,553 Speaker 3: basically that was the whole performance piece. 108 00:04:57,873 --> 00:04:59,914 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah for the thing cam it. 109 00:04:59,873 --> 00:05:03,434 Speaker 3: Was so freaking incredible. She did like six different outfits 110 00:05:03,433 --> 00:05:05,434 Speaker 3: and it was just amazing, Like that's what I want 111 00:05:05,474 --> 00:05:08,034 Speaker 3: to see, and I feel like Beyonce can that. Yeah 112 00:05:08,154 --> 00:05:08,834 Speaker 3: gee yeah. 113 00:05:09,034 --> 00:05:11,594 Speaker 2: Verstaid like when they announced the chairs, like Beyonce's name 114 00:05:11,633 --> 00:05:13,193 Speaker 2: on it did give me a little bit of pause, 115 00:05:13,234 --> 00:05:14,514 Speaker 2: and I think that was the same for a lot 116 00:05:14,553 --> 00:05:17,753 Speaker 2: of people because it kind of rejigged the tone of 117 00:05:17,753 --> 00:05:20,794 Speaker 2: the Met Gala for twenty twenty six a little bit. Obviously, 118 00:05:20,794 --> 00:05:23,193 Speaker 2: all the names on there impressive, like Nicole Kimmen's kind 119 00:05:23,193 --> 00:05:26,793 Speaker 2: of a mainstay, Venus Williams again like a hugely famous person, 120 00:05:26,914 --> 00:05:29,553 Speaker 2: a tastemaker as well as being an athlete. The Beyonce 121 00:05:29,674 --> 00:05:31,753 Speaker 2: of it all was interesting, not only because she hasn't 122 00:05:31,753 --> 00:05:34,314 Speaker 2: attended for over a decade, which is kind of a 123 00:05:34,433 --> 00:05:37,433 Speaker 2: huge statement, because usually who gets an invite to the 124 00:05:37,474 --> 00:05:39,553 Speaker 2: Met Gallery is such a kind of a big power move, 125 00:05:39,873 --> 00:05:42,074 Speaker 2: and which designer that they if they're able to get 126 00:05:42,113 --> 00:05:45,113 Speaker 2: the better designer of other people, their arrival time, all 127 00:05:45,154 --> 00:05:47,273 Speaker 2: of these things kind of signify their power and the 128 00:05:47,274 --> 00:05:49,834 Speaker 2: fact that she's opted out for over ten years at 129 00:05:49,873 --> 00:05:51,474 Speaker 2: the same time that she's one of the most powerful 130 00:05:51,474 --> 00:05:54,633 Speaker 2: people in the entertainment industry is super interesting. And also 131 00:05:54,674 --> 00:05:57,113 Speaker 2: because she has this habit of like she'll go into 132 00:05:57,193 --> 00:05:59,474 Speaker 2: hiding for so long and then she'll come out and 133 00:05:59,513 --> 00:06:02,673 Speaker 2: like have a moment, whether it's like a red carpet moment, 134 00:06:02,794 --> 00:06:04,914 Speaker 2: or she'll drop a surprise album, or like when she 135 00:06:04,953 --> 00:06:08,193 Speaker 2: went on tour, she'll give an iconic Grammy speech, but 136 00:06:08,234 --> 00:06:11,153 Speaker 2: then she'll go back into hiding for such a long time. 137 00:06:11,393 --> 00:06:14,674 Speaker 3: She's such an enigma, Like I feel like nobody really 138 00:06:14,674 --> 00:06:17,433 Speaker 3: knows what Beyonce is like because she's just created this 139 00:06:17,834 --> 00:06:23,313 Speaker 3: aura around her, and it's this aura of exclusivity and 140 00:06:23,714 --> 00:06:27,953 Speaker 3: h and everything is curated, and you know, she's so 141 00:06:29,274 --> 00:06:32,154 Speaker 3: iconic that like everybody just wants to know what she's 142 00:06:32,193 --> 00:06:33,914 Speaker 3: doing next. But you know, even when they showed up 143 00:06:33,953 --> 00:06:38,154 Speaker 3: to that race, the f one thing like just iconic 144 00:06:38,193 --> 00:06:40,393 Speaker 3: looks just giving us iconic. 145 00:06:40,633 --> 00:06:42,354 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it was an interesting year for her to 146 00:06:42,794 --> 00:06:44,874 Speaker 2: be the Met Gala chair because obviously that sort of 147 00:06:44,873 --> 00:06:46,633 Speaker 2: stuff is in talks for a long time, but they 148 00:06:46,674 --> 00:06:48,634 Speaker 2: would be able to sort of pull out before the 149 00:06:48,633 --> 00:06:51,474 Speaker 2: announcements made because there was this idea that the Met 150 00:06:51,513 --> 00:06:54,753 Speaker 2: Gala doesn't attract the same level of star anymore. This 151 00:06:54,794 --> 00:06:57,793 Speaker 2: idea that it's become more about like TikTokers or people 152 00:06:57,834 --> 00:07:00,553 Speaker 2: who can buy their way in and the Met Gala, 153 00:07:00,674 --> 00:07:02,794 Speaker 2: like the vibe around it really took a hit this 154 00:07:02,914 --> 00:07:06,473 Speaker 2: year because it was announced that Amazon founder Jeff Bezos 155 00:07:06,513 --> 00:07:09,634 Speaker 2: and his wife Lauren Sanchez Bezos were going to be 156 00:07:09,674 --> 00:07:12,914 Speaker 2: the main sponsors for the twenty twenty six Metgala, and 157 00:07:12,953 --> 00:07:15,953 Speaker 2: that really put a divide into the fashion entertainment world. 158 00:07:16,074 --> 00:07:18,834 Speaker 2: A lot of people were criticizing it, saying that like 159 00:07:19,074 --> 00:07:21,833 Speaker 2: the Metgala and like Anna Wintour, now they're a sellout 160 00:07:21,874 --> 00:07:24,634 Speaker 2: and anyone can buy their way in and it's moved 161 00:07:24,634 --> 00:07:28,674 Speaker 2: away from like tastemakers into just like kind of currency. 162 00:07:28,794 --> 00:07:30,434 Speaker 2: Like so there was this kind of bad taste to 163 00:07:30,474 --> 00:07:32,994 Speaker 2: it going in and Beyonce is almost like the antidote 164 00:07:33,034 --> 00:07:36,314 Speaker 2: to bad taste. So I think it's interesting that they've her. 165 00:07:36,914 --> 00:07:40,354 Speaker 3: It's really interesting to me how in the last couple 166 00:07:40,393 --> 00:07:43,153 Speaker 3: of years, and I'm wondering if Lauren Sanchez has a 167 00:07:43,154 --> 00:07:45,794 Speaker 3: little bit more to do with this. We're seeing Jeff 168 00:07:46,434 --> 00:07:49,833 Speaker 3: and Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez really try and thrust 169 00:07:49,914 --> 00:07:55,394 Speaker 3: themselves upon this celebrity Hollywood click, you know, like we 170 00:07:55,434 --> 00:07:57,874 Speaker 3: saw it the most with their wedding for sure, but 171 00:07:57,914 --> 00:08:00,834 Speaker 3: then even like Chris Jenner's birthday party, like they are 172 00:08:00,874 --> 00:08:05,794 Speaker 3: popping themselves into these really important fashion and Hollywood and 173 00:08:05,834 --> 00:08:08,434 Speaker 3: celebrity events, and it's just really interesting thing to me 174 00:08:08,554 --> 00:08:11,393 Speaker 3: in terms of is this like a tactical. 175 00:08:10,994 --> 00:08:13,274 Speaker 2: Thing, Yeah, exactly. Well the met goal I just got 176 00:08:13,314 --> 00:08:15,194 Speaker 2: a lot more interesting for next year. It's going to 177 00:08:15,234 --> 00:08:18,593 Speaker 2: be on the first Monday in May twenty twenty six. Yeah, 178 00:08:18,594 --> 00:08:19,194 Speaker 2: I can't wait. 179 00:08:20,074 --> 00:08:26,394 Speaker 4: Lana l You can reach out to me anytime, by 180 00:08:26,393 --> 00:08:30,033 Speaker 4: the way, if you need more details or even if 181 00:08:30,074 --> 00:08:34,674 Speaker 4: you just need to vent or anything. Love and Light. 182 00:08:35,714 --> 00:08:41,034 Speaker 3: Madeline Lily Allen was the musical guest on SNL this 183 00:08:41,234 --> 00:08:43,634 Speaker 3: past week, and it was the first time that she'd 184 00:08:43,674 --> 00:08:47,154 Speaker 3: ever performed Madeline from her album earlier on in the year, 185 00:08:47,154 --> 00:08:50,994 Speaker 3: West End Girl, and everybody was loving her. She's performing, 186 00:08:51,034 --> 00:08:54,554 Speaker 3: She's wearing gorgeous, gorgeous like kind of nineteen sixties inspired 187 00:08:54,634 --> 00:08:57,314 Speaker 3: mini dress. She's got the big buffon at the back, 188 00:08:57,794 --> 00:09:01,674 Speaker 3: perfectly quaffed big lashes, and out of the back of 189 00:09:01,754 --> 00:09:04,874 Speaker 3: the performance we see a nice little sort of chiffon 190 00:09:05,714 --> 00:09:09,834 Speaker 3: curtain and Madeleine comes out well. This iteration of Madeleine 191 00:09:09,874 --> 00:09:12,874 Speaker 3: and it was our very own Dakota Johnson not our 192 00:09:12,994 --> 00:09:17,234 Speaker 3: very own, and Dakota Johnson comes out from behind the 193 00:09:17,274 --> 00:09:20,474 Speaker 3: curtain and plays Madeleine and everyone's like, I'm losing their 194 00:09:20,514 --> 00:09:22,754 Speaker 3: minds over this. It was such a good little moment 195 00:09:22,874 --> 00:09:26,234 Speaker 3: on SNL. So this is obviously the first time that 196 00:09:26,274 --> 00:09:31,074 Speaker 3: Lily has ever performed this song live, and people were 197 00:09:31,154 --> 00:09:33,194 Speaker 3: kind of saying, oh, well, maybe every single time she 198 00:09:33,234 --> 00:09:35,114 Speaker 3: performs that she can bring out a new Madaline, which 199 00:09:35,154 --> 00:09:37,714 Speaker 3: I thought was a great idea. So obviously we know 200 00:09:37,874 --> 00:09:40,713 Speaker 3: that this whole album has been based on her separation 201 00:09:40,874 --> 00:09:45,074 Speaker 3: from David Harbor, and earlier on after the album was released, 202 00:09:45,154 --> 00:09:49,114 Speaker 3: Natalie Tippett, who was the mistress, came out and basically 203 00:09:49,234 --> 00:09:52,834 Speaker 3: identified herself as Madeleine because Lily and Halan hadn't said 204 00:09:52,834 --> 00:09:57,114 Speaker 3: that yet. On Sunday, after this performance, she put out 205 00:09:57,354 --> 00:10:01,434 Speaker 3: a statement on her Instagram stories talking about how she 206 00:10:01,554 --> 00:10:04,154 Speaker 3: was getting really sick of this false narrative that Lily 207 00:10:04,194 --> 00:10:06,994 Speaker 3: Allen has been talking about, although she hasn't talked about 208 00:10:06,994 --> 00:10:09,154 Speaker 3: it publicly yet. So she goes on to write, I 209 00:10:09,194 --> 00:10:11,034 Speaker 3: was hoping to not speak on this, but I'm tired 210 00:10:11,034 --> 00:10:14,034 Speaker 3: of this false narrative being pushed and circulated. This was 211 00:10:14,114 --> 00:10:15,874 Speaker 3: such a marginal part of my life, but it's now 212 00:10:15,914 --> 00:10:18,554 Speaker 3: turned into a major disruption. I did not have a 213 00:10:18,594 --> 00:10:22,594 Speaker 3: three year affair with anyone. I'm unsure why this person 214 00:10:22,634 --> 00:10:25,114 Speaker 3: wants so badly to pit people against me or create 215 00:10:25,154 --> 00:10:27,514 Speaker 3: this narrative that we both know is false based on 216 00:10:27,554 --> 00:10:31,114 Speaker 3: the actual messages that I have saved between us. So 217 00:10:31,154 --> 00:10:34,074 Speaker 3: she seems to hear be targeting Lily directly. 218 00:10:35,074 --> 00:10:37,474 Speaker 2: It's interesting. There's a few different things a play here. 219 00:10:37,634 --> 00:10:40,714 Speaker 2: One of them is that the reception to West End 220 00:10:40,714 --> 00:10:42,994 Speaker 2: Girl is something that I do believe like Lily and 221 00:10:43,034 --> 00:10:46,834 Speaker 2: her team didn't really preempt at becoming this huge cultural 222 00:10:46,874 --> 00:10:50,074 Speaker 2: moment because there wasn't a huge lead up to it. 223 00:10:50,114 --> 00:10:51,954 Speaker 2: I mean, fans knew the album was coming, and they 224 00:10:51,994 --> 00:10:54,714 Speaker 2: knew the context of it. But Lily Allen herself has 225 00:10:54,714 --> 00:10:57,994 Speaker 2: said like she hasn't like since her first album and 226 00:10:58,074 --> 00:11:00,314 Speaker 2: like kind of the height of her initial musical fame, 227 00:11:00,714 --> 00:11:03,794 Speaker 2: hasn't had a huge release like this, and she wasn't 228 00:11:03,794 --> 00:11:06,554 Speaker 2: expecting it to. She knew that her fandom would listen 229 00:11:06,554 --> 00:11:08,354 Speaker 2: and like her core people would be in it, but 230 00:11:08,394 --> 00:11:11,114 Speaker 2: she wasn't expecting it to chart so hugely. And it's 231 00:11:11,154 --> 00:11:12,874 Speaker 2: kind of interesting as we're seeing her do this press 232 00:11:12,954 --> 00:11:14,834 Speaker 2: run now because when the album came out, like that 233 00:11:14,874 --> 00:11:16,394 Speaker 2: would have been the time for her to be on 234 00:11:16,674 --> 00:11:18,714 Speaker 2: magazine covers and talk shows, and she had a bit 235 00:11:18,754 --> 00:11:21,314 Speaker 2: of press, but not the magnitude she has now, which 236 00:11:21,394 --> 00:11:24,194 Speaker 2: kind of makes me think that now TV shows are 237 00:11:24,194 --> 00:11:26,954 Speaker 2: like scrambling to book her and Mags getting her on 238 00:11:26,954 --> 00:11:28,874 Speaker 2: the cover because no one expected it to be this 239 00:11:28,954 --> 00:11:32,114 Speaker 2: huge moment. And she was recently saying that west End 240 00:11:32,114 --> 00:11:34,114 Speaker 2: Girl is like in talks to be developed into like 241 00:11:34,154 --> 00:11:36,834 Speaker 2: a stage musical, and she's probably gonna sweep a lot 242 00:11:36,834 --> 00:11:39,754 Speaker 2: of the award shows next year. And when you kind 243 00:11:39,754 --> 00:11:43,154 Speaker 2: of look about Natalie Tippet being linked to being Madeline, 244 00:11:43,314 --> 00:11:45,354 Speaker 2: it kind of in a way seems like this crazy 245 00:11:45,394 --> 00:11:48,794 Speaker 2: power and balance. But I don't think anyone expected that 246 00:11:48,994 --> 00:11:51,554 Speaker 2: song in particular to blow up the way it did. 247 00:11:52,114 --> 00:11:54,554 Speaker 2: But the interesting thing is is that Natalie Tippet, and 248 00:11:54,554 --> 00:11:55,914 Speaker 2: I'm not calling her out for this because I kind 249 00:11:55,954 --> 00:11:57,953 Speaker 2: of imagine being that situation. As you were saying before, 250 00:11:58,034 --> 00:12:01,074 Speaker 2: she kind of outed herself in a strange way. That also, 251 00:12:01,114 --> 00:12:03,554 Speaker 2: I have so many questions about that interview, because I'm 252 00:12:03,594 --> 00:12:05,994 Speaker 2: still not even sure that she knew what she was 253 00:12:06,034 --> 00:12:09,554 Speaker 2: doing when she was talking to a tabloid news outlet. 254 00:12:09,714 --> 00:12:12,034 Speaker 2: It almost feels like, reading between the lines that they 255 00:12:12,114 --> 00:12:14,674 Speaker 2: kind of like caught her in a moment where she 256 00:12:14,794 --> 00:12:17,754 Speaker 2: was seeing this song blow up, and she obviously knew 257 00:12:17,754 --> 00:12:19,714 Speaker 2: that she was involved in it, but no one else did. 258 00:12:19,754 --> 00:12:22,074 Speaker 2: So she could have stayed quiet, because I do believe 259 00:12:22,074 --> 00:12:24,594 Speaker 2: that Lily Allen would never have named her, and David 260 00:12:24,634 --> 00:12:26,514 Speaker 2: Harbor wouldn't have named her, like he's trying to stay 261 00:12:26,554 --> 00:12:29,514 Speaker 2: so far out of this. But I wonder if the outlet, 262 00:12:29,554 --> 00:12:30,953 Speaker 2: and we don't know, but I do wonder if the 263 00:12:30,994 --> 00:12:33,554 Speaker 2: outlet sort of said, like we know who you are, 264 00:12:33,634 --> 00:12:35,194 Speaker 2: or that people are about to find out, and so 265 00:12:35,634 --> 00:12:37,713 Speaker 2: she kind of really quickly gave them her side of 266 00:12:37,754 --> 00:12:41,154 Speaker 2: the story to defend herself, and then the whole situation 267 00:12:41,314 --> 00:12:44,434 Speaker 2: blew up and she effectively outed herself as Madeline when 268 00:12:44,434 --> 00:12:45,674 Speaker 2: she could have stayed silent. 269 00:12:45,794 --> 00:12:49,714 Speaker 3: I think that is a massive possibility, particularly because let's 270 00:12:49,714 --> 00:12:52,674 Speaker 3: remember she's a costume designer. She is not in the industry. 271 00:12:52,714 --> 00:12:55,474 Speaker 3: She doesn't have media training, she doesn't have PR training 272 00:12:55,634 --> 00:12:58,954 Speaker 3: that is really really important in when you're talking about 273 00:12:58,954 --> 00:13:02,834 Speaker 3: like scandals or any celebrity, anybody in the entertainment industry 274 00:13:02,914 --> 00:13:05,634 Speaker 3: will have gone through some level of media training on 275 00:13:05,754 --> 00:13:09,034 Speaker 3: how to answer questions, even like politicians, like everybody goes 276 00:13:09,034 --> 00:13:11,314 Speaker 3: through it. She would not have had that, so she 277 00:13:11,354 --> 00:13:13,074 Speaker 3: would have definitely been caught off guard. 278 00:13:13,154 --> 00:13:14,954 Speaker 2: And she doesn't have a team around her. Oh yeah, 279 00:13:15,034 --> 00:13:16,354 Speaker 2: I mean yeah, I know it's easy to say in 280 00:13:16,394 --> 00:13:18,474 Speaker 2: hindsight now, like why did you say anything? And why 281 00:13:18,474 --> 00:13:20,514 Speaker 2: did you got to get yourself involved? But I also 282 00:13:20,594 --> 00:13:22,834 Speaker 2: I kind of imagine the panic of being like a 283 00:13:22,874 --> 00:13:26,074 Speaker 2: single mom who's out of the spotlight, and then waking 284 00:13:26,154 --> 00:13:29,074 Speaker 2: up one day and finding out that this huge pop 285 00:13:29,114 --> 00:13:31,714 Speaker 2: star has released an album that everyone is talking about 286 00:13:31,714 --> 00:13:34,234 Speaker 2: and there's a song about you, and just the panic 287 00:13:34,314 --> 00:13:36,914 Speaker 2: of like and knowing you'd exchange text messages so you 288 00:13:36,914 --> 00:13:39,554 Speaker 2: have a relationship with her, knowing the text messages are 289 00:13:39,554 --> 00:13:42,234 Speaker 2: played in the song, and the amount of panic that 290 00:13:42,274 --> 00:13:44,034 Speaker 2: you would have around that and trying to get on 291 00:13:44,074 --> 00:13:44,833 Speaker 2: the front foot of it. 292 00:13:44,874 --> 00:13:49,314 Speaker 3: I think also that the tone of the recording, it's 293 00:13:49,474 --> 00:13:53,194 Speaker 3: a little bit like it makes her sound stupid. The 294 00:13:53,274 --> 00:13:57,114 Speaker 3: tone is very condescending towards her, and I think that's 295 00:13:57,154 --> 00:14:00,914 Speaker 3: probably gotten made her feel a little bit defensive. Yeah, yeah, 296 00:14:01,074 --> 00:14:02,234 Speaker 3: kind of making her sound like a bit like a 297 00:14:02,314 --> 00:14:04,354 Speaker 3: valley girl, like a dumb kind of Valey girl. 298 00:14:04,594 --> 00:14:06,474 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that she's kind of a footnote in this 299 00:14:06,514 --> 00:14:09,714 Speaker 2: big celebri really loves story. Yes, it's a hardline, isn't it? 300 00:14:09,714 --> 00:14:12,274 Speaker 2: Because on one hand, like I understand why Lily Allen's 301 00:14:12,274 --> 00:14:14,074 Speaker 2: out like this is her big moment, this is her 302 00:14:14,554 --> 00:14:18,634 Speaker 2: career resurgence, And I understand why she's out there, like 303 00:14:18,674 --> 00:14:20,714 Speaker 2: you don't turn down SNL, you don't turn down doing 304 00:14:20,754 --> 00:14:22,314 Speaker 2: a mad cover and this is what people want to 305 00:14:22,354 --> 00:14:24,274 Speaker 2: talk about. But at the same time I kind of 306 00:14:24,354 --> 00:14:26,874 Speaker 2: understand also Natalie Tippett, now that she's been outed as 307 00:14:26,874 --> 00:14:29,674 Speaker 2: the Madeline, being on the sidelines and putting out this 308 00:14:29,714 --> 00:14:32,434 Speaker 2: message to Lily Ellen, effectively begging her to stop. 309 00:14:32,554 --> 00:14:34,314 Speaker 3: I think what we need to do is refocus our 310 00:14:34,354 --> 00:14:37,834 Speaker 3: attention on who the actual villain is in this whole thing. Like, 311 00:14:38,194 --> 00:14:41,554 Speaker 3: let's refocus and who's the villain here. It's not Madeline, 312 00:14:41,674 --> 00:14:44,594 Speaker 3: it's not Lily, Lily's just made a beautiful album. It 313 00:14:44,714 --> 00:14:48,034 Speaker 3: is that damn man, David Harbor. Yeah, he's the one 314 00:14:48,034 --> 00:14:50,034 Speaker 3: we should be focusing our attention on But I think 315 00:14:50,074 --> 00:14:53,274 Speaker 3: it's really common though in when there is like these 316 00:14:53,394 --> 00:14:56,514 Speaker 3: cheating scandals, it's always the other woman that gets all 317 00:14:56,514 --> 00:14:58,634 Speaker 3: of the flack, and it just seems like we should 318 00:14:58,634 --> 00:14:59,914 Speaker 3: be focusing on David Harbor. 319 00:15:00,354 --> 00:15:02,394 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is interesting because a lot of people were 320 00:15:02,434 --> 00:15:05,434 Speaker 2: saying that it was such bad timing for David Harbor 321 00:15:05,554 --> 00:15:07,994 Speaker 2: to be on his Stranger things pressed around and the 322 00:15:08,034 --> 00:15:10,234 Speaker 2: roll out of the final season while this was happening. 323 00:15:10,394 --> 00:15:12,114 Speaker 2: But I actually think it's been quite a blessing for 324 00:15:12,234 --> 00:15:15,194 Speaker 2: him because now people are watching the show, they're seeing 325 00:15:15,274 --> 00:15:17,194 Speaker 2: him as this character who they love, and I think 326 00:15:17,194 --> 00:15:20,954 Speaker 2: it's diluted quite a bit. It's diluted that initial kind 327 00:15:20,994 --> 00:15:24,474 Speaker 2: of hatred and push against him, and also all his 328 00:15:24,554 --> 00:15:26,714 Speaker 2: co stars, Like it doesn't look like they've rallied around 329 00:15:26,754 --> 00:15:29,074 Speaker 2: him because I haven't said anything, but they've rallied around 330 00:15:29,114 --> 00:15:31,794 Speaker 2: him in the way that they're on red carpets with him, 331 00:15:31,914 --> 00:15:34,634 Speaker 2: like laughing with him, smiling, hugging him, talking about how 332 00:15:34,674 --> 00:15:37,594 Speaker 2: much they love him, which I understand because one like, 333 00:15:37,954 --> 00:15:40,794 Speaker 2: they potentially did have that incredible relationship with him for 334 00:15:40,834 --> 00:15:43,354 Speaker 2: over a decade, and so they're just acting the way 335 00:15:43,394 --> 00:15:46,314 Speaker 2: they would on a red carpet, or there's also a 336 00:15:46,314 --> 00:15:48,114 Speaker 2: world in which they don't want to be like Millie 337 00:15:48,114 --> 00:15:50,194 Speaker 2: Bobby Brown, of all the stuff that is true about 338 00:15:50,194 --> 00:15:53,274 Speaker 2: her potentially putting in that alleged complain about him and 339 00:15:53,314 --> 00:15:56,154 Speaker 2: having a difficult time. I also understand why she wants 340 00:15:56,194 --> 00:15:59,354 Speaker 2: to preserve her own kind of like safety in the 341 00:15:59,354 --> 00:16:01,914 Speaker 2: spotlight and not be involved. And sometimes it's easier just 342 00:16:01,954 --> 00:16:04,034 Speaker 2: to smile and move on. So I get that, But 343 00:16:04,114 --> 00:16:05,794 Speaker 2: I also feel like, because we're about to have this 344 00:16:05,874 --> 00:16:08,674 Speaker 2: next big roll out of Strange and his characters really 345 00:16:08,754 --> 00:16:11,994 Speaker 2: shaping up to have this very heroic fatherly arc, that 346 00:16:12,274 --> 00:16:14,954 Speaker 2: it's diluted any kind of hatred against him, and so 347 00:16:15,114 --> 00:16:17,274 Speaker 2: a lot of that hatred that people can't just listen 348 00:16:17,314 --> 00:16:18,834 Speaker 2: to an album, they have to then take it a 349 00:16:18,834 --> 00:16:22,594 Speaker 2: step further. And I really felt Finatalie in that statement 350 00:16:22,594 --> 00:16:24,914 Speaker 2: where she said she's receiving constant death threats. 351 00:16:24,994 --> 00:16:27,914 Speaker 3: Yeah, I do too, and I really don't think that 352 00:16:27,954 --> 00:16:30,434 Speaker 3: we should be attacking this woman. And I understand why 353 00:16:30,514 --> 00:16:33,354 Speaker 3: she's spoken out. So towards the end of the statement, 354 00:16:33,394 --> 00:16:35,394 Speaker 3: she says, I'm aware of the repercussions of speaking out 355 00:16:35,434 --> 00:16:38,594 Speaker 3: mat this may cause, but I can't imagine anything worse 356 00:16:38,634 --> 00:16:40,954 Speaker 3: than what's already been said, as well as having to 357 00:16:40,994 --> 00:16:44,714 Speaker 3: watch someone profit off of painful lies. So at this point, Lis, 358 00:16:44,754 --> 00:16:47,074 Speaker 3: I've said my truth and on my own terms. 359 00:16:47,394 --> 00:16:49,794 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. I wonder how Lily Allen will deal 360 00:16:49,834 --> 00:16:51,194 Speaker 2: with this going forward. 361 00:16:50,954 --> 00:16:52,314 Speaker 3: Because said anything. 362 00:16:52,754 --> 00:16:55,274 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting because the thing is, if she goes 363 00:16:55,314 --> 00:16:59,354 Speaker 2: and really acknowledges Natalie, acknowledges what she's saying, then she's 364 00:16:59,434 --> 00:17:02,994 Speaker 2: pulling the curtain down from this kind of fictional world 365 00:17:03,034 --> 00:17:05,234 Speaker 2: that she built up in West End Girl. Because with 366 00:17:05,354 --> 00:17:07,874 Speaker 2: Western Girl she has always said, like there's bits of truth, 367 00:17:07,914 --> 00:17:10,194 Speaker 2: but she's always gone really hard on like some of 368 00:17:10,273 --> 00:17:13,354 Speaker 2: this is fictionalized, it's made up, I'm not using real names. 369 00:17:13,754 --> 00:17:15,914 Speaker 2: And that's kind of been her safety net all the 370 00:17:15,954 --> 00:17:17,914 Speaker 2: way through this, and it's a safety net that will 371 00:17:17,994 --> 00:17:20,793 Speaker 2: let her build on this and really small songs and 372 00:17:20,834 --> 00:17:23,714 Speaker 2: like potentially release a stage show. But if she gets 373 00:17:23,714 --> 00:17:27,513 Speaker 2: into the weeds with Natalie, she's acknowledging and like heightening 374 00:17:27,634 --> 00:17:30,194 Speaker 2: the reality of this woman and who's involved in it 375 00:17:30,274 --> 00:17:32,954 Speaker 2: behind the scenes, and it strips the fantasy away and 376 00:17:32,994 --> 00:17:36,354 Speaker 2: she's got less kind of creativity. So I understand that, 377 00:17:36,434 --> 00:17:39,074 Speaker 2: but I also like if every time she does a performance, 378 00:17:39,194 --> 00:17:41,793 Speaker 2: Natalie puts out another statement saying she's getting death threats, 379 00:17:42,194 --> 00:17:44,514 Speaker 2: which I do believe she's getting, and that's even more 380 00:17:44,554 --> 00:17:47,553 Speaker 2: horrifying for a normy because like, obviously celebrity getting death 381 00:17:47,554 --> 00:17:50,154 Speaker 2: threats is awful, but often like they have a team 382 00:17:50,194 --> 00:17:52,714 Speaker 2: around them, like a publicity team who can help them 383 00:17:52,794 --> 00:17:55,514 Speaker 2: navigate things. They have security, they have people to look 384 00:17:55,554 --> 00:17:57,594 Speaker 2: after them. If she's just a woman sitting alone at 385 00:17:57,634 --> 00:18:00,714 Speaker 2: home with her baby, that I would be freaking out 386 00:18:00,754 --> 00:18:03,474 Speaker 2: about getting messages from strangers saying they were going to 387 00:18:03,554 --> 00:18:05,954 Speaker 2: kill you because you've got no safety net around you. 388 00:18:06,034 --> 00:18:10,714 Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's really challenging to think of what she could do. 389 00:18:11,754 --> 00:18:14,674 Speaker 3: I feel like she does have a slight responsibility to 390 00:18:16,354 --> 00:18:19,794 Speaker 3: maybe say, don't like protect her in some way. Yeah, 391 00:18:19,794 --> 00:18:23,593 Speaker 3: But then also I if she said this is not 392 00:18:23,914 --> 00:18:28,114 Speaker 3: this isn't true, she shouldn't have to And it's also 393 00:18:28,434 --> 00:18:31,314 Speaker 3: she has she's allowed to be angry at this woman, 394 00:18:31,394 --> 00:18:34,194 Speaker 3: even though it's not her fault entirely. It's obviously, David, 395 00:18:34,994 --> 00:18:38,194 Speaker 3: you don't have to accept someone's apology if you don't 396 00:18:38,194 --> 00:18:40,793 Speaker 3: want to. Yeah, she's allowed to protect her piece and 397 00:18:40,834 --> 00:18:42,754 Speaker 3: say I don't want to have anything to do with you. 398 00:18:42,834 --> 00:18:45,834 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm interested in these extra text messages she says 399 00:18:45,874 --> 00:18:48,474 Speaker 2: she has, because it does allude to this idea there's 400 00:18:48,514 --> 00:18:52,514 Speaker 2: a much bigger relationship between Lily and Natalie than either 401 00:18:52,514 --> 00:18:55,513 Speaker 2: of them have led on previously. That she is saying, 402 00:18:55,594 --> 00:18:57,674 Speaker 2: I have extra messages between us. I have things I 403 00:18:57,674 --> 00:19:00,194 Speaker 2: haven't shown yet, And because even though she knew the 404 00:19:00,234 --> 00:19:02,354 Speaker 2: song was coming out, it kind of alludes to like 405 00:19:02,354 --> 00:19:05,394 Speaker 2: there's a deeper relationship between them, which is the other 406 00:19:05,474 --> 00:19:08,354 Speaker 2: interesting thing. This isn't like a woman that Lily Allen 407 00:19:08,434 --> 00:19:11,434 Speaker 2: heard of in passing and has never and she's so 408 00:19:11,474 --> 00:19:13,314 Speaker 2: she's using the idea of this woman like this is 409 00:19:13,314 --> 00:19:15,634 Speaker 2: an actual person that she's talked to and she's aware of, 410 00:19:16,074 --> 00:19:18,914 Speaker 2: which makes the situation a lot deeper. I do feel 411 00:19:18,954 --> 00:19:21,114 Speaker 2: like at some stage she's gonna have to, Like, if 412 00:19:21,154 --> 00:19:24,634 Speaker 2: this keeps going and Natalie keeps posting Lily, Alan's gonna 413 00:19:24,634 --> 00:19:26,554 Speaker 2: have to say something. There's no way she can get 414 00:19:26,594 --> 00:19:29,194 Speaker 2: up and like she's potentially gonna win a Grammy and 415 00:19:29,234 --> 00:19:31,354 Speaker 2: she's also going to be performing this a lot of 416 00:19:31,474 --> 00:19:33,794 Speaker 2: high profile events. There's no way she can do that. 417 00:19:34,354 --> 00:19:36,914 Speaker 2: While this story is bubbling away in the background and 418 00:19:36,954 --> 00:19:41,154 Speaker 2: not have it pull focus, so it'll be interesting to see. 419 00:19:41,194 --> 00:19:43,954 Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure those wheels are turning 420 00:19:43,994 --> 00:19:45,714 Speaker 2: on her head now of how she's gonna deal with it. 421 00:19:45,834 --> 00:19:48,874 Speaker 3: I mean to be, it's still a great song. I mean, whatever, 422 00:19:48,954 --> 00:19:51,834 Speaker 3: whatever happens behind the scenes, it was a really great performance. 423 00:19:57,834 --> 00:20:00,474 Speaker 2: So a couple of days ago, Amy Schumer posted an 424 00:20:00,514 --> 00:20:02,954 Speaker 2: update to her Instagram account that a lot of people 425 00:20:03,034 --> 00:20:05,434 Speaker 2: had thought was coming for a very very long time, 426 00:20:05,514 --> 00:20:09,394 Speaker 2: and you could almost feel the exasperation through her typing 427 00:20:09,434 --> 00:20:13,154 Speaker 2: this message out, like I'm so sick of the speculation 428 00:20:13,234 --> 00:20:15,394 Speaker 2: and the articles and people are messaging me about it. 429 00:20:15,474 --> 00:20:17,754 Speaker 2: So she kind of did a bit of an Amy 430 00:20:17,834 --> 00:20:21,313 Speaker 2: Schumer's spin on a very classic form of a celeb 431 00:20:21,394 --> 00:20:24,714 Speaker 2: divorce announcement. So this caption was written below a photo 432 00:20:24,714 --> 00:20:26,954 Speaker 2: that she posted of her and her husband, Chris, and 433 00:20:26,994 --> 00:20:29,234 Speaker 2: it's a really cute photo. They're sitting on a New 434 00:20:29,314 --> 00:20:32,274 Speaker 2: York subway. He's holding a backpack and he's wearing a hat, 435 00:20:32,434 --> 00:20:34,914 Speaker 2: and she's clutching their little dog in her lap and 436 00:20:34,914 --> 00:20:37,554 Speaker 2: they're just like looking very sweet. It's almost a folk 437 00:20:37,554 --> 00:20:39,954 Speaker 2: They're looking sweet but resigned. So It's almost a photo 438 00:20:40,034 --> 00:20:41,553 Speaker 2: like was it taken when they were married? Is it 439 00:20:41,594 --> 00:20:44,114 Speaker 2: taken since they're divorce and they're still hanging out, Like 440 00:20:44,154 --> 00:20:46,634 Speaker 2: that's the kind of vibe. So in the caption, she wrote, 441 00:20:46,754 --> 00:20:49,314 Speaker 2: blah blah blah, Chris and I have made the difficult 442 00:20:49,314 --> 00:20:52,234 Speaker 2: decision to end our marriage after seven years. We love 443 00:20:52,274 --> 00:20:54,553 Speaker 2: each other very much and will continue to focus on 444 00:20:54,634 --> 00:20:58,074 Speaker 2: raising our son. We would appreciate people respecting our privacy 445 00:20:58,114 --> 00:21:00,914 Speaker 2: at this time blah blah blah. Not because I dropped 446 00:21:00,954 --> 00:21:04,354 Speaker 2: some LB's and I thought I could bag a basketball player, 447 00:21:04,634 --> 00:21:06,874 Speaker 2: and not because he's a hot James Beard Award winning 448 00:21:06,874 --> 00:21:08,874 Speaker 2: show I have to can still pull some hot tail, 449 00:21:09,394 --> 00:21:12,234 Speaker 2: amicaal and all love and respect, family forever. 450 00:21:12,474 --> 00:21:14,954 Speaker 3: It might be my favorite divorce announcement ever. 451 00:21:15,474 --> 00:21:17,234 Speaker 2: Yeah, because it had to say all the things of like, 452 00:21:17,754 --> 00:21:20,194 Speaker 2: yes we're separating, Yes we're still family, Yes we still 453 00:21:20,234 --> 00:21:22,594 Speaker 2: love our son, Yes we want privacy, blah blah blah. 454 00:21:22,634 --> 00:21:24,394 Speaker 2: It's kind of this idea of like I'm just ticking 455 00:21:24,394 --> 00:21:26,033 Speaker 2: all the boxes. You guys know what's happening. 456 00:21:26,154 --> 00:21:28,234 Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I love it. I just think it's a 457 00:21:28,234 --> 00:21:31,273 Speaker 3: good way to go about it rather than sort of 458 00:21:32,074 --> 00:21:34,994 Speaker 3: trying to be really earnest in that situation. When she's 459 00:21:35,034 --> 00:21:38,234 Speaker 3: a comedian, she's supposed to be funny. But again, straight 460 00:21:38,274 --> 00:21:40,914 Speaker 3: away people are going to go. And people were speculating 461 00:21:41,194 --> 00:21:43,554 Speaker 3: weeks ago that the reason she'd lost all this weight 462 00:21:43,634 --> 00:21:46,554 Speaker 3: was because she's single. But you know, she's addressed the 463 00:21:46,594 --> 00:21:48,194 Speaker 3: fact that she had to do it because of her 464 00:21:48,234 --> 00:21:53,073 Speaker 3: cushings diagnosis, so she was doing this for her health. 465 00:21:53,914 --> 00:21:56,074 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, the weight loss thing was an 466 00:21:56,154 --> 00:21:59,154 Speaker 2: interesting I think part that she had to add in there, because, Yeah, 467 00:21:59,194 --> 00:22:00,954 Speaker 2: the thing is that she's always been through the absolute 468 00:22:01,074 --> 00:22:03,553 Speaker 2: ringer over her body. I remember when she first became 469 00:22:04,114 --> 00:22:07,273 Speaker 2: really famous and people were sort of questioning, like how 470 00:22:07,274 --> 00:22:09,474 Speaker 2: could she be so famous at such a size even 471 00:22:09,514 --> 00:22:11,554 Speaker 2: though she's like kind of a midweight woman, and she 472 00:22:11,634 --> 00:22:13,754 Speaker 2: was like, hey, I can still pull a dick wheneveryone want, 473 00:22:13,874 --> 00:22:15,874 Speaker 2: just so you guys know. And then when she had 474 00:22:15,874 --> 00:22:18,154 Speaker 2: the diagnosis, with people making fun of the size of 475 00:22:18,154 --> 00:22:20,513 Speaker 2: her face when she was doing press, that was a 476 00:22:20,514 --> 00:22:22,754 Speaker 2: really low moment for all of us in like humanity 477 00:22:22,794 --> 00:22:25,274 Speaker 2: around people just mocking her face and her coming out 478 00:22:25,314 --> 00:22:27,273 Speaker 2: and saying like, oh I'm quite ill, that's why. And 479 00:22:27,314 --> 00:22:30,074 Speaker 2: then they wouldn't stop. And then when she says said 480 00:22:30,074 --> 00:22:32,634 Speaker 2: that she had gone on weight loss medication, there was 481 00:22:32,674 --> 00:22:35,354 Speaker 2: this kind of vitriol that she would leave her husband 482 00:22:35,354 --> 00:22:38,474 Speaker 2: once she got hotter. And then the divorce speculations started. 483 00:22:38,554 --> 00:22:40,514 Speaker 2: And that's been going for a while. Like Page six 484 00:22:40,634 --> 00:22:42,274 Speaker 2: was reporting that they'd been split up for a while. 485 00:22:42,314 --> 00:22:45,154 Speaker 2: Even People magazine was saying that they were working, that 486 00:22:45,194 --> 00:22:48,033 Speaker 2: they were living separately and working through their divorce. And 487 00:22:48,114 --> 00:22:50,154 Speaker 2: so people have been waiting for this, and I think 488 00:22:50,234 --> 00:22:52,354 Speaker 2: like she had to, not had to. But I can 489 00:22:52,434 --> 00:22:54,354 Speaker 2: understand why she put the weightless stuff in there, because 490 00:22:54,354 --> 00:22:57,754 Speaker 2: she's like having to say, like, I'm not leaving my 491 00:22:57,874 --> 00:23:00,674 Speaker 2: husband of seven years because I lost some weight. Yeah, 492 00:23:00,714 --> 00:23:02,354 Speaker 2: that's not the reason, and I do I mean, I 493 00:23:02,914 --> 00:23:04,914 Speaker 2: don't know what happened in their relationship, but I do 494 00:23:04,994 --> 00:23:07,994 Speaker 2: know that people, just normal people and celebrities have been 495 00:23:08,034 --> 00:23:10,434 Speaker 2: getting divorced since the beginning of time. So I don't 496 00:23:10,434 --> 00:23:12,994 Speaker 2: think that that's the I wouldn't say that was the reason. 497 00:23:13,034 --> 00:23:14,074 Speaker 2: I'll go out in a lemon say. 498 00:23:14,114 --> 00:23:17,114 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, people like again, she they alluded to 499 00:23:17,114 --> 00:23:19,074 Speaker 3: the fact that they were breaking up. You know, earlier 500 00:23:19,194 --> 00:23:22,474 Speaker 3: this month, she wrote, you know, whatever ends up happening 501 00:23:22,834 --> 00:23:25,114 Speaker 3: nothing to do with her recent weight loss or his 502 00:23:25,194 --> 00:23:29,074 Speaker 3: autism diagnosis, so she we kind of already knew this 503 00:23:29,234 --> 00:23:30,474 Speaker 3: was going to happen. 504 00:23:30,194 --> 00:23:32,234 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I can understand that it's sort of like 505 00:23:32,594 --> 00:23:34,914 Speaker 2: you're just kind of like almost like treading water if 506 00:23:34,914 --> 00:23:37,914 Speaker 2: you're that famous, behind the scenes of like everyone knows, 507 00:23:37,954 --> 00:23:40,514 Speaker 2: but when do we kind of say it and when 508 00:23:40,514 --> 00:23:42,794 Speaker 2: do we kind of put out the official announcement And 509 00:23:42,834 --> 00:23:43,954 Speaker 2: the fact that it was just kind of like a 510 00:23:44,034 --> 00:23:47,033 Speaker 2: quick caption post to her Instagram was kind of like 511 00:23:47,074 --> 00:23:49,274 Speaker 2: a very low key way to do it without getting 512 00:23:49,314 --> 00:23:50,754 Speaker 2: a pr and just get it out of the way. 513 00:23:50,794 --> 00:23:52,154 Speaker 2: And I thought it was interesting, Like I was, I 514 00:23:52,234 --> 00:23:54,554 Speaker 2: was looking underneath at the comments and just a lot 515 00:23:54,554 --> 00:23:57,314 Speaker 2: of her celebrity friends were just like leaving love hearts 516 00:23:57,314 --> 00:23:59,714 Speaker 2: and things, and obviously like that's a we already knew, 517 00:23:59,714 --> 00:24:01,834 Speaker 2: but was just like show of side and support. I 518 00:24:01,834 --> 00:24:04,354 Speaker 2: thought a comment from Sophia Bush the actress, was really 519 00:24:04,354 --> 00:24:06,994 Speaker 2: interesting because she said, I know this is so hard 520 00:24:07,034 --> 00:24:09,514 Speaker 2: to go through, let alone, to go through it without 521 00:24:09,554 --> 00:24:12,194 Speaker 2: the world watching, and was kind of wishing her well, 522 00:24:12,234 --> 00:24:15,034 Speaker 2: and it made me think of Sophia having that huge, 523 00:24:15,034 --> 00:24:17,794 Speaker 2: opulent wedding and everyone being so excited that she, you know, 524 00:24:17,874 --> 00:24:20,033 Speaker 2: at forty, had finally found her true love and then 525 00:24:20,034 --> 00:24:23,194 Speaker 2: getting divorced a year later and having to announce that. 526 00:24:23,434 --> 00:24:25,954 Speaker 2: And she has talked about like going through the backlash 527 00:24:25,994 --> 00:24:28,754 Speaker 2: of people feeling disappointed in your love story while you're 528 00:24:28,754 --> 00:24:30,794 Speaker 2: also getting divorced. So I thought that was kind of 529 00:24:30,874 --> 00:24:33,674 Speaker 2: nice that she was sort of in the comments for 530 00:24:33,674 --> 00:24:36,314 Speaker 2: Amy Schumer. Yeah, and what you were saying too about 531 00:24:36,314 --> 00:24:39,714 Speaker 2: how people started speculating about his autism diagnosis, which I 532 00:24:39,754 --> 00:24:42,594 Speaker 2: also found in quite poor taste, because a nice thing 533 00:24:42,714 --> 00:24:46,114 Speaker 2: about Chris Fisher and Amy Schumer's relationship is that they 534 00:24:46,154 --> 00:24:48,834 Speaker 2: have talked about a lot of really personal stuff over 535 00:24:48,874 --> 00:24:52,114 Speaker 2: the years through the lens of sort of just saying, like, 536 00:24:52,194 --> 00:24:54,914 Speaker 2: I know, our lives look super fabulous because we're rich 537 00:24:54,954 --> 00:24:57,714 Speaker 2: and successful, but like, here's some other things happening behind 538 00:24:57,754 --> 00:24:59,434 Speaker 2: the scenes. Because I did have a bit of a 539 00:24:59,474 --> 00:25:01,353 Speaker 2: meet cute. So he's a chef and they met when 540 00:25:01,394 --> 00:25:02,994 Speaker 2: he was like I believe they were like on a 541 00:25:03,074 --> 00:25:05,194 Speaker 2: holiday and he was cooking at the home and they 542 00:25:05,234 --> 00:25:07,314 Speaker 2: met and she thought it was so cute, but he 543 00:25:07,354 --> 00:25:09,074 Speaker 2: wouldn't like her, and then they kind of had a 544 00:25:09,074 --> 00:25:11,674 Speaker 2: little vibe and it was just it's so funny because she 545 00:25:11,714 --> 00:25:13,514 Speaker 2: always kind of made fun of him in a way, 546 00:25:13,554 --> 00:25:16,634 Speaker 2: like publicly because she's a comedian. Like their engagement story, 547 00:25:16,714 --> 00:25:18,033 Speaker 2: she's like he just threw me a box and was like, 548 00:25:18,034 --> 00:25:19,874 Speaker 2: I got you this. But like, if you look behind 549 00:25:19,874 --> 00:25:23,074 Speaker 2: the scenes, like they're super cute wedding photos and the 550 00:25:23,074 --> 00:25:25,354 Speaker 2: way they talk about each other, they did seem quite 551 00:25:25,394 --> 00:25:28,954 Speaker 2: madly in love, and they were also really open about 552 00:25:28,954 --> 00:25:30,674 Speaker 2: how like they had this beautiful love story, they had 553 00:25:30,674 --> 00:25:33,914 Speaker 2: this beautiful wedding, and then the next part of their 554 00:25:33,954 --> 00:25:36,594 Speaker 2: life they face a lot of difficulties between the two 555 00:25:36,594 --> 00:25:38,394 Speaker 2: of them, but particularly health difficulties. 556 00:25:38,674 --> 00:25:41,954 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, we know that after the birth of Jean's 557 00:25:42,034 --> 00:25:45,994 Speaker 3: she struggled with endimetriosis and a number of other health conditions. 558 00:25:46,154 --> 00:25:49,793 Speaker 3: She did actually end up havingh directomy, and she's spoken 559 00:25:49,914 --> 00:25:55,834 Speaker 3: really really openly about endometriosis particularly and how that affected her. 560 00:25:56,674 --> 00:25:59,114 Speaker 3: So you know, she's been really really candid. I mean, 561 00:25:59,234 --> 00:26:02,674 Speaker 3: all of the photos on her socials of parenting and 562 00:26:02,714 --> 00:26:06,234 Speaker 3: having a newborn are like the most relatable things I've 563 00:26:06,234 --> 00:26:09,874 Speaker 3: ever seen, Like her backstage at an event with these 564 00:26:10,114 --> 00:26:13,634 Speaker 3: breast pumps on her in that bra, Like I looked 565 00:26:13,674 --> 00:26:17,313 Speaker 3: at that and I was like, I remember that moment 566 00:26:17,874 --> 00:26:21,674 Speaker 3: in motherhood, just being like feeling like a cow and 567 00:26:21,714 --> 00:26:24,594 Speaker 3: getting pumped. So yeah, she was. She was always been 568 00:26:24,634 --> 00:26:27,593 Speaker 3: super candid and you know, not hiding behind anything. 569 00:26:27,714 --> 00:26:29,754 Speaker 2: Yeah, not hiding and also getting into the funny side 570 00:26:29,754 --> 00:26:32,674 Speaker 2: when when she changed her son's name, do you remember 571 00:26:32,714 --> 00:26:34,674 Speaker 2: this is an't always Geene? No, no, no, no, this 572 00:26:34,794 --> 00:26:36,754 Speaker 2: is so good so when she announced god that there 573 00:26:36,874 --> 00:26:39,074 Speaker 2: no when she This is my favorite Amy Schumer story. 574 00:26:39,074 --> 00:26:41,994 Speaker 2: And I've got a lot because once I, like very 575 00:26:42,074 --> 00:26:45,034 Speaker 2: late at night, I opened my phone and I opened Instagram, 576 00:26:45,074 --> 00:26:47,354 Speaker 2: and on Amy Schumer's Instagram was a piece I'd written 577 00:26:47,394 --> 00:26:49,994 Speaker 2: about her movie that she had just found on the internet, 578 00:26:50,234 --> 00:26:51,794 Speaker 2: and then she had DMed. 579 00:26:51,394 --> 00:26:52,834 Speaker 3: Me it's so good. 580 00:26:52,914 --> 00:26:56,354 Speaker 2: I was like, is that my piece on her? She 581 00:26:56,354 --> 00:26:58,434 Speaker 2: she has since deleted her entire Instagram so was not 582 00:26:58,434 --> 00:27:00,154 Speaker 2: there anymore. But it was a beautiful moment in time, 583 00:27:00,194 --> 00:27:02,194 Speaker 2: and she sent me this long, beautiful message about how 584 00:27:02,194 --> 00:27:04,074 Speaker 2: lovely the writing was and about how much it meant 585 00:27:04,114 --> 00:27:06,154 Speaker 2: to her that I had like seen this in her movie, 586 00:27:06,234 --> 00:27:08,313 Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, this is thank you, Amy Schumer. 587 00:27:08,434 --> 00:27:11,354 Speaker 2: So but that's really not so that's my second favorite 588 00:27:11,354 --> 00:27:14,074 Speaker 2: Amy Schumer. My first Amy Schumer story is how and 589 00:27:14,154 --> 00:27:17,034 Speaker 2: she announced her son's birth and she was like, we're 590 00:27:17,114 --> 00:27:20,434 Speaker 2: so excited to welcome our son, Jean adel Fisher, and 591 00:27:20,434 --> 00:27:22,914 Speaker 2: everyone's like, well, that's clearly a joke. Like his name's 592 00:27:22,914 --> 00:27:25,594 Speaker 2: definitely gene, but there's no way you call your son genital, 593 00:27:25,794 --> 00:27:27,994 Speaker 2: which is what when you say gene adel fars what 594 00:27:28,034 --> 00:27:31,234 Speaker 2: it sounds like genital Fisher. And so everyone was like, 595 00:27:31,874 --> 00:27:34,714 Speaker 2: She's she's classic Amy Schumer. She's so funny. What's his 596 00:27:34,794 --> 00:27:37,354 Speaker 2: real name? And then it was months later because I 597 00:27:37,354 --> 00:27:39,273 Speaker 2: don't think she read the comments under that show, and 598 00:27:39,354 --> 00:27:41,874 Speaker 2: also why would you? And then she realized later that 599 00:27:41,914 --> 00:27:45,394 Speaker 2: she was sort of saying to someone, oh, genital, Jane addall, oh, 600 00:27:45,514 --> 00:27:48,074 Speaker 2: oh my god. And then they realized what they had 601 00:27:48,074 --> 00:27:49,794 Speaker 2: called their son. They hadn't, like, I guess I just 602 00:27:49,834 --> 00:27:51,594 Speaker 2: wrote it down. They didn't say it out loud. 603 00:27:51,714 --> 00:27:55,994 Speaker 3: YEP, it's the classic, you know, jack Off, yeah, first 604 00:27:56,074 --> 00:27:56,594 Speaker 3: in last. 605 00:27:56,634 --> 00:27:58,714 Speaker 2: And so they've changed it to I think it's Gene 606 00:27:58,794 --> 00:28:00,394 Speaker 2: David now. But it was so funny because she was 607 00:28:00,394 --> 00:28:02,394 Speaker 2: on a talk show and she was being asked about it, 608 00:28:02,434 --> 00:28:04,114 Speaker 2: and the end the host was like, was that a bit, 609 00:28:04,194 --> 00:28:06,714 Speaker 2: and she was like no, and then she'll do the audience. 610 00:28:06,714 --> 00:28:08,754 Speaker 2: She's like she's like, oh, what, so no one he 611 00:28:08,794 --> 00:28:11,034 Speaker 2: has ever named their child genital or you're all such 612 00:28:11,114 --> 00:28:14,434 Speaker 2: perfect parents. I was like, so good, So she's got 613 00:28:14,434 --> 00:28:17,033 Speaker 2: little gen now. But her talking about her health stuff 614 00:28:17,114 --> 00:28:19,234 Speaker 2: was a lot, especially in the face of people really 615 00:28:19,274 --> 00:28:21,474 Speaker 2: like kind of pulling down her body and also talking 616 00:28:21,514 --> 00:28:24,914 Speaker 2: about her husband getting diagnosed as an adult with autism 617 00:28:24,954 --> 00:28:27,834 Speaker 2: and kind of how that like strengthened their relationship in 618 00:28:27,834 --> 00:28:29,954 Speaker 2: a way, because she's like, I always knew he was 619 00:28:29,954 --> 00:28:31,634 Speaker 2: seeing the world in a different way, and we didn't 620 00:28:31,634 --> 00:28:33,714 Speaker 2: always communicate properly and we couldn't really figure out what 621 00:28:33,794 --> 00:28:35,994 Speaker 2: it was. And then once he had his diagnosis and 622 00:28:35,994 --> 00:28:38,594 Speaker 2: they had all this information, she talked about it like 623 00:28:38,634 --> 00:28:41,194 Speaker 2: it bringing them closer together and the understanding they had. 624 00:28:41,234 --> 00:28:44,154 Speaker 2: And so I thought her sharing all of that throughout 625 00:28:44,154 --> 00:28:46,074 Speaker 2: their marriage because she could have get that private, but 626 00:28:46,114 --> 00:28:48,154 Speaker 2: I thought sharing all of that and sort of going 627 00:28:48,194 --> 00:28:50,994 Speaker 2: through the steps of how it did affected their marriage, 628 00:28:51,034 --> 00:28:53,434 Speaker 2: both the good and the bad, how they'd got the diagnosis, 629 00:28:53,474 --> 00:28:56,154 Speaker 2: what it meant for him. There were other people messaging her. 630 00:28:56,194 --> 00:28:58,114 Speaker 2: I remember reading the comments under one of the posts 631 00:28:58,154 --> 00:29:00,394 Speaker 2: she put up about it, of people saying that like 632 00:29:00,634 --> 00:29:02,434 Speaker 2: they were going through something or it made them want 633 00:29:02,434 --> 00:29:04,034 Speaker 2: to go to the doctor, and it was just a 634 00:29:04,154 --> 00:29:06,274 Speaker 2: really interesting thing that I feel like she cops a 635 00:29:06,274 --> 00:29:07,714 Speaker 2: lot of flak, but there's a lot of times where 636 00:29:07,714 --> 00:29:10,394 Speaker 2: she's just been very open in an interesting way. And 637 00:29:10,434 --> 00:29:12,314 Speaker 2: I think one of the she's because she's been so 638 00:29:12,394 --> 00:29:15,074 Speaker 2: open about their marriage. That's why when there were all 639 00:29:15,074 --> 00:29:17,474 Speaker 2: these signs they were about to separate, there were all 640 00:29:17,474 --> 00:29:19,274 Speaker 2: these red flags, and I think that's why people kind 641 00:29:19,274 --> 00:29:21,114 Speaker 2: of smell blood in the water and they jumped in 642 00:29:21,434 --> 00:29:23,314 Speaker 2: and like waiting for this announcement to come out. 643 00:29:23,354 --> 00:29:25,794 Speaker 3: And people love to hate her, you know, she's she 644 00:29:26,034 --> 00:29:29,634 Speaker 3: really did. It seems irrational, Like there's a lot of 645 00:29:29,634 --> 00:29:33,714 Speaker 3: irrational anger towards Amy Shima, and I think a lot 646 00:29:33,714 --> 00:29:35,954 Speaker 3: of it has to do with her style of comedy 647 00:29:36,154 --> 00:29:41,354 Speaker 3: is quite vulgar, but men particularly find that's so distasteful, 648 00:29:41,394 --> 00:29:44,234 Speaker 3: and so many people attack her when she's talking in 649 00:29:44,274 --> 00:29:48,314 Speaker 3: these really like frank open ways and quite sexual ways. Yeah, 650 00:29:48,354 --> 00:29:50,714 Speaker 3: and they put their own things onto her and be 651 00:29:50,714 --> 00:29:52,594 Speaker 3: like you're not hot enough to be able to speak 652 00:29:52,714 --> 00:29:57,554 Speaker 3: like that, Like that's that kind of really disgusting, misogynistic take. Yeah, 653 00:29:57,594 --> 00:30:00,514 Speaker 3: and they're so awful to her for no reason. 654 00:30:00,714 --> 00:30:02,394 Speaker 2: I think there is a lot of stuff which we 655 00:30:02,394 --> 00:30:03,754 Speaker 2: don't have time to get into all the backlog of 656 00:30:03,754 --> 00:30:05,354 Speaker 2: this now. There is a lot of stuff about, like 657 00:30:05,514 --> 00:30:09,194 Speaker 2: there's allegations of her taking others comedian's material, and there's 658 00:30:09,394 --> 00:30:11,794 Speaker 2: a lot of that, Like, there's a lot of backstory there, 659 00:30:11,794 --> 00:30:14,674 Speaker 2: But I don't think a lot of I think a 660 00:30:14,714 --> 00:30:16,954 Speaker 2: lot of the hatred, like people aren't delving into the 661 00:30:17,034 --> 00:30:19,074 Speaker 2: like a lot of people aren't delving into like the 662 00:30:19,434 --> 00:30:22,034 Speaker 2: kind of backlogs of comedy history, or they're not delving 663 00:30:22,074 --> 00:30:24,354 Speaker 2: into things that she's said in the past, or how 664 00:30:24,394 --> 00:30:26,434 Speaker 2: she works with people on sets. A lot of people 665 00:30:26,594 --> 00:30:28,994 Speaker 2: are just there. They're anger at her, as you're saying, 666 00:30:29,034 --> 00:30:31,594 Speaker 2: comes from that top line like here's what she looks like, yes, 667 00:30:31,794 --> 00:30:34,474 Speaker 2: kind of moment. And I think that's very different to 668 00:30:34,554 --> 00:30:38,434 Speaker 2: people who might have some legitimate kind of thoughts around 669 00:30:38,474 --> 00:30:40,354 Speaker 2: things that she's done or people who she's worked with 670 00:30:40,754 --> 00:30:42,794 Speaker 2: in the past. But I don't think those two groups 671 00:30:42,794 --> 00:30:44,954 Speaker 2: are kind of colliding there. But yeah, I thought it 672 00:30:44,954 --> 00:30:47,314 Speaker 2: was a really interesting kind of spin on the celeb 673 00:30:47,354 --> 00:30:51,114 Speaker 2: divorce announcement. And yeah, and just a very fitting way 674 00:30:51,114 --> 00:30:53,154 Speaker 2: for like a marriage that's been so open to kind 675 00:30:53,154 --> 00:30:55,954 Speaker 2: of end on that note. And then hopefully now people 676 00:30:55,994 --> 00:30:57,074 Speaker 2: will not let it go. 677 00:30:57,114 --> 00:30:57,674 Speaker 3: I think they'll be. 678 00:30:57,594 --> 00:30:59,074 Speaker 2: More interested now in her, now that she's out and 679 00:30:59,114 --> 00:31:01,234 Speaker 2: about as a single woman, like, they'll be more interested 680 00:31:01,274 --> 00:31:03,714 Speaker 2: in that. But I'm sure there's some relief from her 681 00:31:03,754 --> 00:31:04,594 Speaker 2: of having it out there. 682 00:31:04,714 --> 00:31:08,674 Speaker 3: I think her having that light note to that makes 683 00:31:08,714 --> 00:31:11,514 Speaker 3: it much easier for people just to leave it there. 684 00:31:11,594 --> 00:31:11,794 Speaker 4: Yeah. 685 00:31:12,074 --> 00:31:14,314 Speaker 3: You know you're not going to be asking more questions 686 00:31:14,954 --> 00:31:18,874 Speaker 3: when someone has a statement like that, because it's almost saying, 687 00:31:19,074 --> 00:31:21,274 Speaker 3: I know how ridiculous this is. I'm not going to 688 00:31:21,314 --> 00:31:23,874 Speaker 3: answer him the questions. This is it like the way 689 00:31:23,914 --> 00:31:26,034 Speaker 3: she wrote it. Thank you so much for listening to 690 00:31:26,074 --> 00:31:27,994 Speaker 3: the Spill today. Guys. 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