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Speaker 1: Jema Bath and you're listening to True Crime Conversations, a

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Speaker 2: Now, she had shown me a couple of pictures that

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Speaker 3: It was? She was quiet.

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Speaker 3: She was cutting it off from him, and I just.

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Speaker 1: She ended up confiding in her sister about six months

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Speaker 2: Oldest Jordan noticed something wasn't right with her sisters, do right,

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Speaker 3: You better make him leave her alone.

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Speaker 2: I don't know the exact words, but I believe Riley

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Speaker 2: Jordan got a text message from Scott thing consider the matter.

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Speaker 1: Closed, which is weird. What a weird thing to say.

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Speaker 2: He's a weird dude. Yeah, he's an odd duck for sure.

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Speaker 1: So this, like you were saying before, is your worst nightmare.

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Speaker 1: This is what you didn't want to happen, actually happened

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Speaker 1: What was your reaction?

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Speaker 3: Anger?

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Speaker 2: I was really angry, broken for my kid, obviously, broken

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Speaker 2: she just wasn't ready at that time, and I just

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Speaker 3: And that's a tough thing to hear your daughter tell.

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Speaker 3: We you know, he was leaving her alone.

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Speaker 2: So we kind of moved forward and talked about counseling

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Speaker 2: felt ready. We talked about charges, but those things are

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Speaker 2: really hard to prosecute.

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Speaker 1: I put the victim through a lot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, m.

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Speaker 1: So did Riley start to move on with her life?

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Speaker 2: Hmm?

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Speaker 3: A little?

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Speaker 2: She was working still, but that was about it. She

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Speaker 2: was working and and she had other you know, other community,

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Speaker 3: She just kind of kept going.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to true Crime Conversations with me, Jemma Bath.

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Speaker 1: I'm speaking with Jamie Elder, the mother of Riley Elder.

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Speaker 1: Whose ex boyfriend Scott, attempted to have her killed through

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Speaker 1: a murder for hire website. Up next, Jamie tells us

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Speaker 1: about the day she found out that her daughter's ex

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Speaker 1: May twenty twenty one, so that's almost, you know, nearly

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Speaker 1: a year later. It feels like a jump. Scared to

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Speaker 1: say and ask, but how did you find out about

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Speaker 1: the murder for hire plot?

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Speaker 2: So at this point, we lived in rural Idaho, and

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Speaker 2: we don't get like knocks on the door, or you know.

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Speaker 3: We didn't.

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Speaker 2: We had just where we hadn't lived there long. I

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Speaker 2: it was because our goat had gotten out. That's how

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Speaker 3: I thought maybe my God had gotten out.

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Speaker 2: I really did, like in the moment, because that's what

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Speaker 2: they do in those small towns. The police come to

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Speaker 2: you know, and he's like, does Riley Alder live here?

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Speaker 2: And yes, What's what's going on? Because when a sheriff

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Speaker 2: asks asked me, does Riley live here? What could she

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Speaker 2: possibly have done? You know, she goes to work, she

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Speaker 2: comes home just shock, I think. And he's like something

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Speaker 2: to thee It's very hard to recall everything he said,

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Speaker 2: but something to the effect of, well, I'll just talk

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Speaker 2: to you. There has been a credible threat made to

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Speaker 2: even know what to say. But he's talking, and he's

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Speaker 2: the day and asked him to make first contact, that

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Speaker 2: he can't tell me too much, but that someone had

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Speaker 2: attempted to hire a hitman to kill Riley.

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Speaker 3: And I'm just standing. I'm still in my work uniform.

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Speaker 2: I'm just standing in my fright yard just mouth probably

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Speaker 1: I can't even imagine the words FBI, murder plot, hitman.

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Speaker 1: Like there's things you're not as a normal family living

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: That is the definition of surreal, right you just kind of.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. He's like, I would like if you

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Speaker 2: he's like, don't I have to ask you not to

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Speaker 2: to tell her why. I'm well, as soon as I

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Speaker 2: asking why are the police here? And they probably you know,

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Speaker 2: they're going to be asking me. So what do I say?

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Speaker 2: And he's like, well, you can ride in my car,

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Speaker 2: I won't meet you there. I want meet you there.

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Speaker 2: It's like kind of walk in my house and all

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Speaker 2: and I have to talk to him and frontal least

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Speaker 3: Little face you know, just.

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Speaker 2: Utter shock of like what you know she's probably going

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Speaker 3: Did I you know what did I do.

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Speaker 2: And so we get in the car and I'm like

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Speaker 1: That's hard.

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Speaker 2: I didn't share anything with her. And it's a small

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Speaker 2: what's going to happen, you know, the FBI just found it.

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Speaker 2: Will put a car at your house kind of a thing.

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Speaker 2: But I want to ask you, do you know anybody

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Speaker 2: that he did ask me that out front of my house.

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Speaker 3: Do you know anybody that want her?

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Speaker 2: Dad? And I'm like no, like she doesn't know anyone,

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Speaker 2: there's no one. And he asked her in that room,

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Speaker 2: and I could see the realization in her face. And

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Speaker 2: it's Scott, do you? Because she doesn't know anyone else, like,

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Speaker 2: she doesn't interact like that with I mean, her coworker

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Speaker 3: Who's Scott.

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Speaker 1: That's hard hearing that again. That's hard.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So he kind of gave us some information on the

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Speaker 2: and said he would put a car out in front

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Speaker 2: because he said, I can't explain everything to you, but

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Speaker 2: the threat was intercepted. At this point, we thought that

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Speaker 2: then I guess I believe he made a phone. Colin

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Speaker 2: So that's the reason they put the car at our house.

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Speaker 1: Did they say what was in the threat? Because he

441
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 1: asked for very specific things to happen to your daughter.

442
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,959
Speaker 1: He asked for proof of life photos. He wanted it

443
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,199
Speaker 1: to look like a robbery gone wrong, like he knew

444
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: what he wanted. That's eerie, that's horrible. When did you

445
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: find out about those details?

446
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 2: Not so much later until uh, probably the second visit

447
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 2: with the FBI, because he said this was new for

448
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 2: this sheriff deputy.

449
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 3: He had not he's in a small town.

450
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 2: He just wasn't sure what he was able to tell us,

451
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 2: so he kind of kept his mouth shut.

452
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 3: So it was several days. I believe it was a Friday.

453
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 2: It was towards the weekend before we could go to

454
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 2: the UPYI and get more information that he said they'd

455
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 2: be in contact with us and they had setup a

456
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 2: meeting and we had to go to downtown the city

457
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 2: to meet them a few days later.

458
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 3: So it wasn't until then.

459
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 2: That we heard that he wanted more things, and that's

460
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 2: all they said at first, he wanted more things. So

461
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 2: we didn't know what that was really for quite some time,

462
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks.

463
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: Probably was it the podcast The kill List that actually

464
00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 1: alerted police of Riley's kit? It was how does that

465
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 1: make you feel? It was a podcaster, not even the

466
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: police that found this.

467
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 2: It wasn't even on the police's radar. They yeah, the

468
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 2: podcast was doing an undercover investigation on the dark web,

469
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 2: and they came across Riley's wasn't the only one, and

470
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 2: it wasn't the first one, and they came across multiple hit.

471
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 3: Requests, and.

472
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 2: They tried to get the police involved locally, and they're

473
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 2: in the UK and nobody would really pay attention. So

474
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 2: they started reaching out to individual victims, and by the

475
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 2: time Riley's case came up, the FBI and the Inner

476
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 2: Pool and everybody was involved.

477
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: The FBI turned around and asked of Jamie to basically

478
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: go along with the plot for a little bit to

479
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: fake her death. Tell me about that, because for someone

480
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: that's already quiet traumatized by everything they've just heard, that

481
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: feels like a really big thing to ask someone to do.

482
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 3: Sure, I think a lot of this comes down to

483
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 3: just shock.

484
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 2: You know, when you're in that much shock, you're just

485
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 2: kind of like, okay, you know, it doesn't seem real.

486
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 3: So when we.

487
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 2: Went to the FBI office that money morning, she had

488
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 2: to recount her story again, and it was a strange

489
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 2: FBI office, Like we weren't allowed in the inner office,

490
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 2: like there were multiple locked doors, and we came in

491
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: just a tiny little room with a tiny little table,

492
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 2: and she recounted her story and they asked her for

493
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 2: her phone, so because they wanted all the copies of

494
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 2: text messages and all the Discord messages and all the

495
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 2: Facebook messages, and they wanted everything. And so they got

496
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: it and they were working on it, and there were

497
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 2: so many that they asked us to leave the phone

498
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 2: because it was going to take days because with certain

499
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 2: of the apps, there's no way to just download it all.

500
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: They did Discord where they had a machine that scrolled

501
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: and screenshot at each message. So the invasion of privacy

502
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 2: alone for a young girl, that bothered her at first,

503
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 2: you know, but she's like, it is what it is,

504
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 2: you know, we're gonna have to get through it, and

505
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 2: then when we came back to get the phone for

506
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 2: the next interview, that's when they asked us. They told

507
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 2: us they were going to be setting up some form

508
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 2: of operation.

509
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 3: They wouldn't tell.

510
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 2: Us much about it, and the case was being transferred

511
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 2: to the La California FBI office and they were going

512
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 2: to be handling it.

513
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 3: So this agent was getting excited.

514
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 2: You could tell he was like chomping at the bit

515
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 2: to like catch this guy, you know, And he's.

516
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 3: Like, we want to catch.

517
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 2: Him, and we want to we want to use, you know,

518
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 2: a faked death photo. How would you feel about that?

519
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 2: And Riley's like, okay, if it'll catch him, I guess.

520
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 2: So he made a phone call to I can only

521
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 2: remember her first name, Caitlin, who was the other FBI

522
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,719
Speaker 2: agent in La and asked if that's something that they

523
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 2: would like and they said yes. In the meantime, he

524
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 2: had made a phone call to her and said, you

525
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 2: guys can go in town or whatever.

526
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 3: I have some lunch something like that and I'll let

527
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 3: you know.

528
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 2: And so we went to a coffee shop and we're

529
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,479
Speaker 2: just kind of sitting talking about it, right ry, how

530
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 2: do you feel about posing for a corpse? Photo. You know,

531
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 2: we're having this conversation and I get a text message

532
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 2: on my phone from the FBI agent something to they

533
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 2: I wish I still had it. But it was so

534
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 2: double O seven looking silliness, just the awe of it.

535
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 2: It's basically like, we are a go for the photo

536
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 2: meets us in the parking garage.

537
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 3: Am I in a lifetime movie? Am I?

538
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 2: Am I in a movie? You know, like this is ridiculous.

539
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 2: So we pull out of there, out of the coffee

540
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 2: shop and they're coming out of the parking garage in

541
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 2: this like black tended sports car.

542
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: Shouldn't be laughing, and he's.

543
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,719
Speaker 2: Like, we're going to go to the local zoo area.

544
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 2: So boyse, the city of Boise, Idaho is very heavily treed,

545
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: and there's a river that runs straight through the city

546
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 2: and it runs by the zoo.

547
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 3: So the agent gets out, we get out.

548
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 2: It's like, we're going to go down by the river

549
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 2: in the mud and the leaves and take this photo.

550
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 2: So it was the agent and a forensic specialist. He

551
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: wanted him there so that it would look more realistic.

552
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 2: They could pose Riley Lang and the leave in the

553
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: mud more realistically, and they laid her down and they

554
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 2: had her put her foearm up. She had a distinctive

555
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 2: tattoo that Scott had described to the hit man, and

556
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: they laid her out and the agent just took his

557
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 2: cell phone and took a couple of pictures and he

558
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 2: showed it to the forensic guy and he's like, ooh,

559
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 2: I like that.

560
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 3: Your foot is in the photo. That looks like you're

561
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 3: the killer. That looks good.

562
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 2: That works. They were like jazzed about getting this guy,

563
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 2: like really, And Riley got up and I picked the

564
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 2: leaves out of her hair.

565
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 3: And we went home.

566
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: Did it have an effect on her doing that?

567
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 3: Yeah?

568
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, nightmares. I mean, not that she wasn't already having them,

569
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 2: but they showed me the photo. They showed us the photo.

570
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 2: That is a really strange moment because that could have

571
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 2: been a reality, right.

572
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

573
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 3: And she eventually got that tattoo covered.

574
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: Because of that, she.

575
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:09,919
Speaker 3: Never wanted to look at it again.

576
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

577
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 1: I kind of get from the way you're talking that

578
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: you felt like the FBI agents may have lucked fit

579
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: of empathy or understanding.

580
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 3: Do you really love their job?

581
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: Yep?

582
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 2: You know? And at first, yeah, I mean at first

583
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:30,479
Speaker 2: I did feel that way.

584
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 3: But can you imagine their job?

585
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I can't even imagine. And I think that

586
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 2: if you don't have some form of levity in that

587
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: line of work, I don't know how good and decent

588
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 2: human being would survive.

589
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 3: So if it means if.

590
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 2: They had to get excited about their job to catch

591
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 2: the bad guy, I you know, I'm okay with it

592
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 2: because at the end of the day, they're not the

593
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 2: ones that hurt her, you know.

594
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 3: And it turned out that he was caught.

595
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: So when you look at it now in hindsight, do

596
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: you think it was necessary to put us through all

597
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 1: of that.

598
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 2: I mean, they they had him, and when they did

599
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 2: this thing, they really had him. And then the Yeah,

600
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 2: they never used the photo that I know of. It's

601
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 2: not in any of the court documents that they ever

602
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 2: used it. They also shortly after that interaction, I sent

603
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,439
Speaker 2: all my children to Arizona to stay with my mother

604
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 2: because I was worried that he was going to show

605
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 2: back up, and so I sent them.

606
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 3: All to Arizona.

607
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 2: And while in Arizona, they hooked up with the Arizona FBI,

608
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 2: and that agent had my mother take Riley to the

609
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 2: local grocery store and take stocker photos of her as

610
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 2: if she were the hit man.

611
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 3: So my mother Nana.

612
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 2: Is at a grocery store, the local walmart in that

613
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 2: small town, because she's in a small town as well,

614
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,240
Speaker 2: taking pictures, righty, And they did use.

615
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: Those photos play keep man m and they.

616
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 3: Used those photos the hit man sent them to him

617
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 3: like is this her? Kind of things.

618
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 1: After the break, Jamie describes how it felt for her

619
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: and Drily when Scott was finally charged, arrested and locked up.

620
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: So they arrested him, they charged him with using interstate

621
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: facilities to commit murder for hire, locked him up straight away,

622
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: kind of no bail. How did you both feel when

623
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: that happened?

624
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 3: Relieved? Relieved? I was relieved.

625
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 2: I was glad that there was a It was a

626
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 2: female judge that held them on Romant because he had

627
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 2: a team of lawyers. His family's well off and he

628
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 2: had a team of lawyer and they worked really hard

629
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 2: to try to get him out on his own or

630
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 2: get him out of a bond, and she was like, no,

631
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 2: we're not having that, so she kept him in.

632
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: There well though, basically using character references to try and

633
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: get him out.

634
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 2: They were while he was in he tried to bribe

635
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 2: an inmate, a fellow inmate another I believed ten thousand

636
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 2: to falsify evidence and get him an alibi.

637
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: So that seemed done, and he's basically showing his hands there.

638
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they didn't charge him with that crime, so

639
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 2: why I don't know. So when all of a sudden done,

640
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 2: the judge was changed to a man who I believe

641
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 2: has a history of slapping people on the wrist.

642
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 3: That's just my opinion.

643
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 2: He cut a deal. The max you can get for

644
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 2: that crime is years, and they cut.

645
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 3: A deal for five.

646
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 2: So at sentencing, you know, the judge can decide. But

647
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 2: there were a ton of character witnesses that came out

648
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 2: for him writing letters and.

649
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 3: I didn't know. We had written our victim.

650
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 2: NPAC statements and sent them and Right didn't want to

651
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 2: go to the sentencing, and so we didn't go.

652
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 3: We sent our letters.

653
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 2: So after the sentencing, the prosecuting attorney and Caitlin, the

654
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 2: FBI agent called me.

655
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 3: To kind of debrief me over what happened.

656
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 2: And they were both women and they were they were

657
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 2: like appalled. It was. It was weird talking to them

658
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:52,280
Speaker 2: afterwards because they were telling me about how the sentencing

659
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 2: went and the character witnesses and the letters and things

660
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 2: like that, and they were like, yeah, we were just

661
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 2: shocked some of the things that the character witnesses said,

662
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 2: some of the things that judge said, and so they

663
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 2: gave me little bits of that information. There was a

664
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 2: character witness that stated while in college, he would volunteer

665
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 2: to escort young women from classes or door ins late

666
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 2: at night so they would be safe and that made

667
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 2: him a good guy.

668
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: What yeah, and that worked? Apparently apparently they did.

669
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 2: The judge I have the exact word somewhere because I

670
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 2: downloaded all of the court docs, but you can see

671
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,479
Speaker 2: it in there when he's talking to Scott and doing

672
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:47,240
Speaker 2: the sentencing. You're a young man with the bright future

673
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 2: kind of a thing, you know. I can't see sentencing

674
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 2: you to all this time, So five years seems appropriate

675
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 2: so that you can and I want you to come

676
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 2: out of this and make better for yourself.

677
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: And this is twenty twenty two, this sentence. I can't

678
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:16,919
Speaker 1: believe that mindset is still happening in twenty twenty two.

679
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: Like at the end of the day, he hired a

680
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: hitman to murder his ex girlfriend. How did Riley feel

681
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: hearing he could have gotten ten, he got five.

682
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 2: She was I know she was angry. I know she

683
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 2: was angry, but Riley just moves on. She doesn't hold

684
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 2: I don't know that it was a survival technique of

685
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 2: just not holding on to the anger and the resentment

686
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 2: and that, you know. I think she was angry at first,

687
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 2: and then she just kind of went on.

688
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 3: I was livid.

689
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 2: I was livid. Speaking to the FBI agent and the

690
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 2: prosecuting attorney that day at the sentencing, I asked them,

691
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: are you going to charge him with trying to bribe

692
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,439
Speaker 2: an innate false by evidence? Oh?

693
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 3: I don't know. We're we might.

694
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:22,439
Speaker 2: I don't know yet.

695
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: We might, And.

696
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 2: That could have gotten him some more time, you know.

697
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 2: And he's obviously not sorry, you know. I mean, of

698
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 2: course his statement he's sorry, I'm sorry, but he wasn't sorry.

699
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 3: He was sorry. Got caught.

700
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: Is he still in prison?

701
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:55,240
Speaker 2: No, ma'am. So he did time in a very cushy prison,

702
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 2: and it was supposed to be five years. And over

703
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 2: here we have like a victim's notification system. So Riley

704
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 2: had signed up for the victim notification system so they

705
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,760
Speaker 2: would know when he was getting out and different things

706
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 2: like that, And every couple of months we would get

707
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 2: she would get an email, Oh, we've moved up as

708
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 2: a release date, two months, we've removed, We've moved it

709
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 2: up two more months. We've moved it up two more months.

710
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 2: And every time she would give an email, it was

711
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 2: just like she was terrified.

712
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 1: Was there a raisin given as to why good behavior?

713
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 3: Just because yeah, there was.

714
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 2: You know, there were a couple of other court hearings

715
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 2: that his attorneys were trying to get him out sooner,

716
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 2: but the judge knocked it down. It's just prisons are

717
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 2: so overcrowded here that there's a lot of early releases.

718
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 2: And so after I believe it was April of twenty four,

719
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 2: they put him in a halfway house and then she

720
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 2: was supposed to be notified before he was released, and

721
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 2: in November of twenty four we had the last notification

722
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,280
Speaker 2: we got that he was going to be released around

723
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving of twenty four completely. So in November twenty four

724
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 2: I just looked it up to see when his release

725
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 2: date was, and they had released him on October eleventh

726
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 2: and not told her.

727
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: What was the point of signing up.

728
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 3: I don't know, your guess, is as good as mine.

729
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 2: But they did not tell her, and we were He

730
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 2: was out for a month before.

731
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:35,439
Speaker 3: We even knew.

732
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 2: So May made May twenty first of twenty one, he

733
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 2: was arrested and he was fully released October twenty four.

734
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: Is there a fear knowing he's out there again? Do

735
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: you think he could do anything?

736
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 2: I was supposed to not make contact, right, He's not

737
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 2: supposed to be able to. He's got six years of probation.

738
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 2: I don't even know if that has been lifted or shortened.

739
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 2: We don't get noticed on things like that anymore. But

740
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 2: he's not supposed to be utilizing the internet to contact

741
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 2: her or you know, try to contact her through third parties.

742
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 2: But with the Internet, you can be anyone. She could

743
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 2: be talking to him and she wouldn't know it if

744
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 2: she were on the internet.

745
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 3: You know.

746
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: Does she think he has contacted her?

747
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 3: Oh?

748
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: You have made it your mission to make sure that

749
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: Scott Quinn Burkett doesn't get to in your words, live

750
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,439
Speaker 1: in the shadows? Can you tell us about that?

751
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 2: Since this happened, someone knocks on our door and everyone hides.

752
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 3: My children hide, they get quiet.

753
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 2: I have a sign that is at the end of

754
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 2: my driveway that says no unannounced visitors period. If you

755
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 2: know us, call first. If you If you don't know us,

756
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 2: you have no business here. And inevitably some order door

757
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 2: salesman will knock, pound, you know, and a creek outside.

758
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 2: Even now right won't sleep, you know, she stays awake.

759
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,919
Speaker 2: And the thing is is that the hit was put

760
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 2: out before my daughter threatened him, before any of that.

761
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: He knew what he did, and he was worried about

762
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 2: getting caught. Before my oldest daughter ever called him, the

763
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 2: hit was already out. Really, Yes, we didn't know that

764
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,479
Speaker 2: until after the court. Yes, he knew what he did.

765
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 2: If my child can't live free, he shouldn't be.

766
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: She's very lucky to have you advocating for her. I

767
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: want to ask you about Abigail if I can. You

768
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: lost your daughter Abbi to suicide last year in January

769
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. So that's a lot of trauma for

770
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,720
Speaker 1: one mom to be carrying. You've lost your daughter, yes,

771
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: you've had another daughter who's been sexually assaulted and gone

772
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: through this horrific court process. How do you hold all

773
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: of that? How are you doing with all of that?

774
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 2: I have a purpose, I have my faith and I

775
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 2: have a purpose. So now I talk about not only

776
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 2: Riley's story, but ab a girl's story. Yeah, I just

777
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 2: talk about it. I want suicidists. You've got a couple,

778
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 2: Our family has been touched by a couple of the

779
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 2: biggest issues we have in our society in any country.

780
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 3: One is suicide.

781
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 2: It is the second leading cause of death of children

782
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 2: between the ages of ten and twenty four. It is

783
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 2: the biggest thing hitting our family, our children right now.

784
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:08,760
Speaker 2: And number two, boys being boys. That's a big problem.

785
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 2: Boys being boys. And I don't mean that in all

786
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 2: men or bad or anything like that. I'm just saying

787
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:17,919
Speaker 2: that's what I just say. Boys.

788
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 1: Woild you boys still?

789
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 2: Oh, this young man's got a great future. That's how

790
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 2: I hold it together. And maybe it's a little bit.

791
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: It's not vengeance, it's justice talking about your girls, advocating

792
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: for them. You're big on the TikTok space. You've been

793
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: talking a lot there. What kind of difference has it made?

794
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: Has it helped others, has it helped you? Has it

795
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: helped everyone? What have you noticed?

796
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 3: It's helped me immensely.

797
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 2: I know it's a little cringe to have an almost

798
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 2: fifty year old woman on TikTok.

799
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: No.

800
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 3: You know a little cringe.

801
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 2: Some of my stuff is a little I'm not gonna lie,

802
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:07,240
Speaker 2: but it's almost like therapy, you know. I tell the stories,

803
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 2: I talk about the things I go through, the emotions.

804
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 2: I talk about the awareness and the little things that

805
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 2: I'm doing to try to try to bring awareness both

806
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 2: Scott's creepy face and my sweet Abby. And I know

807
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 2: it's helped me immensely. And the people God perfect strangers

808
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 2: are just phenomenal human beings. You know they will show

809
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 2: up for you. But I know I've helped others and

810
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 2: the community of moms out there that I've made that

811
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 2: have either their children or themselves have survived violent crimes,

812
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 2: or their mothers who have lost their children to suicide.

813
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 2: They'll all tell you the same thing. They're telling their

814
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 2: stories too. And people reach out to you in your

815
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,919
Speaker 2: private messages and say thank you, thank you for telling

816
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 2: me that story. I I can't I saw your face.

817
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 2: I couldn't do that to my mother. Thank you for

818
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 2: letting helping me see my value. They and it's not

819
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 2: just me, it's all the moms that are doing and

820
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 2: some dads there are good dats and and these kiddos,

821
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 2: that's where they're at. They're on TikTok, you know, when

822
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 2: they see they come across these stories and they, for

823
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:25,720
Speaker 2: whatever reason connect.

824
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: You're saying, these kids or young adults are coming to

825
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 1: you and saying, I didn't go ahead with a suicide

826
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: attempt because of your.

827
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 2: Video, because of Abigail's story. Wow, or Andrew's story or

828
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 2: I just there are other there are other There are

829
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,439
Speaker 2: other moms doing the same thing. And I watched their

830
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,720
Speaker 2: comments and they we talk and they're like, oh, yeah,

831
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 2: this little one sent me a message, and you know,

832
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 2: I talked to them on occasion, you know, and it's yeah,

833
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 2: talking about it, showing the real reality of the aftermath

834
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 2: of suicide. Yeah, I don't.

835
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 3: I can't explain it with these kids.

836
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,760
Speaker 2: And not even just kids, but young adults and even

837
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 2: older adults will send you a message. And what a

838
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 2: blessing that is. You know that you that I was

839
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 2: able to tell Abigail's story and it helped one person,

840
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 2: let alone multiple, you know, that's huge.

841
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: How's Riley doing now? How's her twenty twenty six looking.

842
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 3: Worse?

843
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: Really?

844
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 2: You know, I think we've we've had a lot of loss,

845
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 2: so My kids are definitely struggling. You know, it's only

846
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 2: been it'll be two years in January that we lost Abigail,

847
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,919
Speaker 2: and we've kind of been on a whirlwind ride since

848
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, you know. Yeah, So and they're you know,

849
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 2: they don't have the support of their father, so they're

850
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 2: kind of.

851
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 3: And Riley's still scared, you.

852
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:14,280
Speaker 2: Know, when Abigail, when that happened with Abigail, she quit working.

853
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 3: She just couldn't, you know, just couldn't.

854
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 2: And she's finding her way back to her art and

855
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 2: back to reading, and it's a slow process, but yeah,

856
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 2: just the hits kept coming for her, you know, for

857
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 2: my kids, and I think it's going to be a

858
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 2: while before everything is even a semblance of normalcy.

859
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: Seeing what Riley went through firsthand. What do you want

860
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: listeners who have heard her story and your story to

861
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: understand about sexual assault, online relationships, the court process. What

862
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: do you want them to take away from hearing this conversation?

863
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,280
Speaker 3: Honestly, be careful who you trust.

864
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,280
Speaker 2: Be careful with the positions you put yourself in, because

865
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 2: even though it is not your fault that those things

866
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 2: happen to you, you're the only one that can protect yourself,

867
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 2: because the creepy guy out there is not looking out

868
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 2: for you, and our justice system, I'm sure as hell

869
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 2: isn't looking out for you. And as disgusting as it

870
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 2: is that you have to constantly watch your back, you

871
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 2: just do. And it's the sad reality that we live in.

872
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 2: Do not think it won't happen to you, because I

873
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 2: hear stories every day, and every single one of them

874
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,959
Speaker 2: either doesn't get any prosecution, or they get a slept

875
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 2: on the wrist and they're skiing down a mountainside two

876
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 2: years later on their daddy's dollar.

877
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 1: As Carl Miller, the journalists behind the kill List podcast

878
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 1: told True Crime Conversations in twenty twenty four, the Hitman

879
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: for Hire website he hacked is still operating. He has

880
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 1: long since handed over his back end access to the police,

881
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: but it's not the only one on the dark web.

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Speaker 1: There are multiple. There's definitely a demand for this service,

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Speaker 4: KRL told us, I mean, there is something definitely very

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Speaker 4: kind of reconcile themselves with having someone else killed in secret,

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Speaker 4: and not just anyone, someone very close to them, someone

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Speaker 4: they loved or loved.

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Speaker 1: As Carl pointed out, seventy percent of the targets were

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Speaker 1: women with men wanting them dead because of money, revenge control, jealousy,

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Speaker 1: or child custody. So this is a story largely about

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Speaker 1: violence against women. But we need to clarify that Scott

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Speaker 1: Quinn Burkett faced charges in federal court for a single

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Speaker 1: count of using interstate facilities to commit murder for hire.

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Speaker 1: Allegations shared by Jamie and Riley regarding an incident involving

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Speaker 1: Riley have not resulted in any charges and there has

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Speaker 1: been no prosecution related to sexual assault. Thank you to

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Speaker 1: Jamie for helping us to tell her daughter Riley's story. Thankfully,

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Speaker 1: the plot against her was one of the many either

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Speaker 1: Carl or the police were able to intercept. If you

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