1 00:00:11,064 --> 00:00:15,304 Speaker 1: So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia 2 00:00:15,424 --> 00:00:18,984 Speaker 1: acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that this 3 00:00:19,064 --> 00:00:20,504 Speaker 1: podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:25,104 --> 00:00:28,144 Speaker 2: From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop 5 00:00:28,184 --> 00:00:28,864 Speaker 2: culture fix. 6 00:00:29,144 --> 00:00:33,184 Speaker 1: I'm Anam and I'm Laura Brodnick. We have a massive episode. 7 00:00:33,264 --> 00:00:35,744 Speaker 1: We have such a massive episode. Strap in. It's going 8 00:00:35,824 --> 00:00:38,304 Speaker 1: to be two hours and four minutes. Whatever the Taylor 9 00:00:38,344 --> 00:00:40,544 Speaker 1: Swift episode was, was that the time for it. It 10 00:00:40,664 --> 00:00:43,464 Speaker 1: was over two hours and people were complaining about the time, 11 00:00:43,504 --> 00:00:45,304 Speaker 1: and I was like, you know what, that's the perfect 12 00:00:45,344 --> 00:00:46,704 Speaker 1: amount for her first podcast. 13 00:00:48,104 --> 00:00:50,024 Speaker 2: I'm glad you did the whole thing just for us 14 00:00:50,064 --> 00:00:50,344 Speaker 2: to listen. 15 00:00:50,504 --> 00:00:52,344 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. I mean it was a bit of a scramble. 16 00:00:52,384 --> 00:00:55,224 Speaker 1: They did drop it in a very inconsiderate fashion right 17 00:00:55,304 --> 00:00:58,264 Speaker 1: before today's record, but we have managed to listen to 18 00:00:58,264 --> 00:01:00,344 Speaker 1: the whole thing. So coming up on the show today 19 00:01:00,704 --> 00:01:02,704 Speaker 1: probably not exactly the show you expect. So we're going 20 00:01:02,744 --> 00:01:04,744 Speaker 1: to talk about Taylor Swift, but then coming up later 21 00:01:05,264 --> 00:01:10,784 Speaker 1: snakes Rabbits, questionable dating advice from a Hollywood Girl. Today's 22 00:01:10,784 --> 00:01:11,464 Speaker 1: show has it all. 23 00:01:11,584 --> 00:01:14,504 Speaker 2: It's a massive, massive show. But first we do want 24 00:01:14,544 --> 00:01:18,024 Speaker 2: to talk about the podcast what everyone's talking about today. 25 00:01:18,264 --> 00:01:21,584 Speaker 1: Yes, the podcast everyone is talking about so as teased yesterday, 26 00:01:21,624 --> 00:01:23,904 Speaker 1: which also disrupted our podcast schedule because we're have to 27 00:01:23,944 --> 00:01:27,944 Speaker 1: come in here and record an emerging later episode. Yes, yes, 28 00:01:28,024 --> 00:01:29,304 Speaker 1: but I guess it was worth it just to get 29 00:01:29,344 --> 00:01:31,984 Speaker 1: that little teaser up with the whole countdown clock situation. 30 00:01:32,464 --> 00:01:36,264 Speaker 1: So Yes, Today Taylor Swift's episode of The New Heights podcast, 31 00:01:36,384 --> 00:01:39,624 Speaker 1: hosted by Travis Kelsey and Jason Kelsey, two men I 32 00:01:39,624 --> 00:01:41,824 Speaker 1: didn't know existed two years ago, but I'm now very 33 00:01:41,824 --> 00:01:44,784 Speaker 1: across their lives and their careers and their families. So 34 00:01:45,024 --> 00:01:47,264 Speaker 1: she came onto the podcast and gave a very wide 35 00:01:47,384 --> 00:01:50,664 Speaker 1: ranging interview on what she's been doing on her downtime 36 00:01:50,744 --> 00:01:53,464 Speaker 1: since the Errors tour wrapped. A lot of baking, a 37 00:01:53,464 --> 00:01:54,664 Speaker 1: lot of bread. 38 00:01:54,944 --> 00:01:57,264 Speaker 3: We're very deep in a sour too obsession. 39 00:01:56,864 --> 00:01:57,224 Speaker 1: That is sick. 40 00:01:58,424 --> 00:02:00,984 Speaker 2: I am aware, and I'm very deep in it. Now 41 00:02:01,024 --> 00:02:05,424 Speaker 2: you've got me deep in this. I'm lucky run working 42 00:02:05,744 --> 00:02:07,264 Speaker 2: as much as I am. I'm running as much as 43 00:02:07,304 --> 00:02:10,184 Speaker 2: I am because I am. I am getting the caloric intake. 44 00:02:10,424 --> 00:02:11,624 Speaker 1: Yeah, he asked me. 45 00:02:11,584 --> 00:02:14,664 Speaker 3: To send him two loaves of sourdough at training camp. 46 00:02:14,744 --> 00:02:19,544 Speaker 3: I'm like I'm like wrapping sourdough loaves in like cling film. 47 00:02:19,744 --> 00:02:21,744 Speaker 3: The sour doughs taken over my life in a huge way. 48 00:02:21,904 --> 00:02:26,424 Speaker 3: I'm really talking about bread sixty percent of the times 49 00:02:27,584 --> 00:02:29,704 Speaker 3: become it's become. 50 00:02:29,744 --> 00:02:33,504 Speaker 1: A huge, huge factor. She's always been a baker, so 51 00:02:33,624 --> 00:02:35,944 Speaker 1: that really tracks. I love when she's like, oh, I'm 52 00:02:36,064 --> 00:02:38,624 Speaker 1: all over the sourdough blogs, like I'm in the comments. 53 00:02:38,664 --> 00:02:40,624 Speaker 1: I've read every blog, and i just imagine this is 54 00:02:40,624 --> 00:02:42,464 Speaker 1: like such a special day for everyone who has a 55 00:02:42,504 --> 00:02:43,264 Speaker 1: sour dough blog. 56 00:02:43,384 --> 00:02:44,304 Speaker 2: That's so true. 57 00:02:44,704 --> 00:02:45,824 Speaker 1: You know, Taylors have seen it. 58 00:02:45,864 --> 00:02:49,024 Speaker 2: Go for the sour dough girlies. Zach Efron famously said 59 00:02:49,064 --> 00:02:51,184 Speaker 2: that the best thing about Taylor Swifts has is you 60 00:02:51,224 --> 00:02:53,384 Speaker 2: walk in and you automatically smell bacon goods. 61 00:02:53,504 --> 00:02:57,144 Speaker 1: Oh, that's really beautiful. I feel exactly exactly his life. 62 00:02:58,744 --> 00:03:01,104 Speaker 1: That poor boy. Yes, and we touched on her buying 63 00:03:01,104 --> 00:03:04,184 Speaker 1: her master's back. That got very emotional. It's literally been 64 00:03:04,264 --> 00:03:06,464 Speaker 1: so long since this happened. It's every time I talk 65 00:03:06,504 --> 00:03:06,904 Speaker 1: about it. 66 00:03:07,264 --> 00:03:11,664 Speaker 3: She was like, you got your music, and I very 67 00:03:11,744 --> 00:03:15,024 Speaker 3: dramatically hit the floor for real, like honestly just started 68 00:03:17,184 --> 00:03:20,744 Speaker 3: bawling my eyes out and I'm just like just weeping 69 00:03:20,824 --> 00:03:22,984 Speaker 3: and kind of like unable. 70 00:03:23,104 --> 00:03:26,304 Speaker 1: I was just like, really, really, really, what do you mean? 71 00:03:26,504 --> 00:03:26,984 Speaker 1: What do you mean? 72 00:03:27,024 --> 00:03:29,144 Speaker 3: And I'm like, get get yourself together, get your shit together, 73 00:03:29,264 --> 00:03:31,944 Speaker 3: Like just go tell Travis in a normal way. 74 00:03:32,504 --> 00:03:34,224 Speaker 1: And I knock on the door. 75 00:03:34,264 --> 00:03:37,144 Speaker 3: He's playing video games and I'm trying to say it 76 00:03:37,144 --> 00:03:41,704 Speaker 3: in a normal way, and I'm just like, what happened? 77 00:03:42,384 --> 00:03:44,344 Speaker 3: And he's like he like puts his headset down, He's like, 78 00:03:44,424 --> 00:03:46,544 Speaker 3: got gotta go, and I think you got something was 79 00:03:46,584 --> 00:03:50,064 Speaker 3: wrong and you come up and I'm just like music 80 00:03:50,824 --> 00:03:58,264 Speaker 3: and then just start absolutely heaving, had no power in 81 00:03:58,344 --> 00:04:01,384 Speaker 3: my likes to support myself. Yeah, this changed my life. 82 00:04:01,784 --> 00:04:04,704 Speaker 2: I love how in the ways she is with it. 83 00:04:04,944 --> 00:04:07,664 Speaker 2: I think when we heard the big story about her 84 00:04:08,104 --> 00:04:10,544 Speaker 2: mastas well. Obviously when she signed on a record deal 85 00:04:10,544 --> 00:04:12,904 Speaker 2: when she was fifteen, like she didn't own her masters, 86 00:04:13,344 --> 00:04:15,584 Speaker 2: and then without her permission they were sold. They've been 87 00:04:15,584 --> 00:04:18,104 Speaker 2: sold multiple times, and then she finally brought them back 88 00:04:18,384 --> 00:04:20,784 Speaker 2: before they were sold, she started to re record her 89 00:04:20,864 --> 00:04:22,864 Speaker 2: music like it's been in the news for a really 90 00:04:22,904 --> 00:04:25,744 Speaker 2: really long time. But just knowing how in the weeds 91 00:04:25,784 --> 00:04:28,864 Speaker 2: and how much she had to learn about the process 92 00:04:29,064 --> 00:04:31,144 Speaker 2: of the music industry, Like the technical. 93 00:04:30,784 --> 00:04:32,264 Speaker 1: Side of it just made me. 94 00:04:32,184 --> 00:04:34,664 Speaker 2: Realize, like how big of a deal it really is 95 00:04:35,024 --> 00:04:37,144 Speaker 2: hard to own her music, like even sending her mum 96 00:04:37,224 --> 00:04:39,864 Speaker 2: and brother out to like fight for her music back 97 00:04:40,144 --> 00:04:42,664 Speaker 2: to talk about like her life and explain to people 98 00:04:42,664 --> 00:04:44,544 Speaker 2: like to produces why it was so important for her 99 00:04:44,584 --> 00:04:46,744 Speaker 2: to own her own music, and then talk about the 100 00:04:46,744 --> 00:04:49,824 Speaker 2: different types of ownership for music, like owning the masters 101 00:04:49,904 --> 00:04:52,584 Speaker 2: versus owning the publisher rights, Like it was just so 102 00:04:52,744 --> 00:04:55,224 Speaker 2: weedy and she explained it so so well. 103 00:04:55,624 --> 00:04:57,664 Speaker 1: Yeah, and also when she was talking about saving up 104 00:04:57,704 --> 00:05:00,144 Speaker 1: to buy them back since she was a teenager and 105 00:05:00,224 --> 00:05:02,264 Speaker 1: sobbing to Travis, and like I could just really that, 106 00:05:02,304 --> 00:05:04,104 Speaker 1: like it's a very visceral moment, because I almost felt 107 00:05:04,144 --> 00:05:05,784 Speaker 1: that moment where she walked into him, you know, when 108 00:05:05,784 --> 00:05:07,424 Speaker 1: you was trying not to cry, but then you got 109 00:05:07,464 --> 00:05:08,984 Speaker 1: to tell someone you love news and then you just 110 00:05:09,104 --> 00:05:10,864 Speaker 1: kind of crumble kind of. 111 00:05:10,824 --> 00:05:12,104 Speaker 2: Like that so cute. 112 00:05:12,264 --> 00:05:13,984 Speaker 1: What did you think about all the chat about, Like, 113 00:05:13,984 --> 00:05:16,744 Speaker 1: because obviously she announced her new album, The Life of 114 00:05:16,744 --> 00:05:18,944 Speaker 1: a show Girl. We saw the cover, we got the 115 00:05:18,984 --> 00:05:21,824 Speaker 1: full track list. Very sexy you no, yes, sexy? Well 116 00:05:21,984 --> 00:05:23,664 Speaker 1: this is one of the biggest questions I've always had 117 00:05:23,744 --> 00:05:26,784 Speaker 1: is like, after she does that huge Errors tour, what 118 00:05:26,984 --> 00:05:29,024 Speaker 1: does she do? Because after being on stage for over 119 00:05:29,064 --> 00:05:31,784 Speaker 1: three hours and singing and dancing and the hype of it, 120 00:05:31,824 --> 00:05:34,224 Speaker 1: and we know that she runs straight off the stage 121 00:05:34,264 --> 00:05:36,744 Speaker 1: into a car straight back to her hotel. And I 122 00:05:36,784 --> 00:05:38,704 Speaker 1: always thought, like, does she spend like three or four 123 00:05:38,704 --> 00:05:40,984 Speaker 1: hours winding down? And now we kind of had that 124 00:05:41,064 --> 00:05:42,984 Speaker 1: answer because she's like the cover is meant to be 125 00:05:43,024 --> 00:05:45,224 Speaker 1: the end of the night of doing the Errors tour 126 00:05:45,264 --> 00:05:47,144 Speaker 1: where she jumps in the bath and just lies there 127 00:05:47,144 --> 00:05:50,024 Speaker 1: for ages, but she's wearing the showgirl costume to like 128 00:05:50,064 --> 00:05:52,064 Speaker 1: preserve her decency. I love that. 129 00:05:52,344 --> 00:05:55,984 Speaker 2: I was not really surprised that she announced a new album. 130 00:05:56,104 --> 00:05:57,744 Speaker 2: I think a lot of people expected her to do 131 00:05:57,784 --> 00:05:59,864 Speaker 2: a big Adele moment where you just like leave the 132 00:05:59,904 --> 00:06:01,984 Speaker 2: spotlight for a really really long time and then just 133 00:06:02,024 --> 00:06:04,264 Speaker 2: come back like every five to ten years. 134 00:06:04,384 --> 00:06:06,224 Speaker 1: She is never going to do that. She was never 135 00:06:06,264 --> 00:06:06,864 Speaker 1: going to do that. 136 00:06:06,984 --> 00:06:10,744 Speaker 2: And she loves loves making music, she loves writing songs. 137 00:06:10,784 --> 00:06:12,464 Speaker 2: And what I thought was really interesting is a way 138 00:06:12,464 --> 00:06:15,424 Speaker 2: she spoke about energy, and she calls energy a luxury 139 00:06:15,464 --> 00:06:16,864 Speaker 2: item and a privilege to. 140 00:06:16,824 --> 00:06:19,704 Speaker 1: Have yeah, because she sounded so aware. I Mean, we've 141 00:06:19,704 --> 00:06:21,704 Speaker 1: always said we know she's an online girl, but I 142 00:06:21,744 --> 00:06:24,584 Speaker 1: do think that she handles criticism a lot better than 143 00:06:24,584 --> 00:06:26,904 Speaker 1: people have given her credit for listening to that interview, 144 00:06:27,184 --> 00:06:30,144 Speaker 1: because she does love revenge. Yeah, she loves revenge. And 145 00:06:30,184 --> 00:06:32,944 Speaker 1: she still seem to really really hold a grudge, which 146 00:06:32,984 --> 00:06:34,784 Speaker 1: is fair enough. I still do. If you wronged me 147 00:06:34,864 --> 00:06:35,984 Speaker 1: ten years ago, I remember that. 148 00:06:36,024 --> 00:06:37,424 Speaker 2: I remember you and your name and where you live. 149 00:06:37,544 --> 00:06:39,424 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, and we talk about you and think about 150 00:06:39,424 --> 00:06:41,264 Speaker 1: you often, and your time's coming. It's like when I 151 00:06:41,304 --> 00:06:43,424 Speaker 1: she shared that profile and she talked aout Kim Kardashian 152 00:06:43,424 --> 00:06:45,264 Speaker 1: all these years later, and she's like, the trash always 153 00:06:45,264 --> 00:06:48,264 Speaker 1: takes itself out. It's like, oh, you haven't forgotten. But 154 00:06:48,584 --> 00:06:51,144 Speaker 1: I also think that when she was talking about reading 155 00:06:51,184 --> 00:06:53,264 Speaker 1: all the main comments about herself and how she and 156 00:06:53,344 --> 00:06:56,944 Speaker 1: Travis share like rumors about each other, Like they'll come 157 00:06:56,944 --> 00:06:58,504 Speaker 1: and say like, oh, did you see they're saying this? 158 00:06:58,584 --> 00:07:00,024 Speaker 1: Did you see they're saying that? And then she's like, 159 00:07:00,064 --> 00:07:01,944 Speaker 1: if I see a headline with my name, that's not 160 00:07:02,024 --> 00:07:03,944 Speaker 1: my business. That's at the end of the day, your business. 161 00:07:03,944 --> 00:07:06,384 Speaker 1: Because of the energy situation, that she's not giving them. 162 00:07:06,904 --> 00:07:09,424 Speaker 2: I really liked what she said about the Easter eggs. 163 00:07:09,584 --> 00:07:11,944 Speaker 2: Was such a mom to kind of like help shut 164 00:07:12,024 --> 00:07:15,264 Speaker 2: down there's rumors, Like she confirmed that the Easter eggs 165 00:07:15,304 --> 00:07:17,664 Speaker 2: are only ever about the music, it's never about her 166 00:07:17,704 --> 00:07:20,144 Speaker 2: personal life. And I thought that's such a clever way 167 00:07:20,184 --> 00:07:23,904 Speaker 2: to say, like, stop like making rumors about my personal life, 168 00:07:23,904 --> 00:07:25,664 Speaker 2: because that will never something I'll ever put out. 169 00:07:25,704 --> 00:07:29,984 Speaker 1: For the amount of intelligent, worldly women I know who 170 00:07:30,024 --> 00:07:33,104 Speaker 1: thought that announcement yesterday was either a pregnancy announced an 171 00:07:33,104 --> 00:07:36,784 Speaker 1: engagement or an engagement announcement is frighteningly high. 172 00:07:36,824 --> 00:07:39,144 Speaker 2: And I'm like, Okay, thank god she said that, because 173 00:07:39,144 --> 00:07:40,224 Speaker 2: I can't take this anymore. 174 00:07:40,264 --> 00:07:42,784 Speaker 1: I know. I know when she was like, it's never 175 00:07:42,824 --> 00:07:44,504 Speaker 1: going to be about my personal life. It's always about 176 00:07:44,504 --> 00:07:46,864 Speaker 1: my career and how she builds it in and all 177 00:07:46,864 --> 00:07:48,424 Speaker 1: those little things, and I was like, yeah, I don't 178 00:07:48,424 --> 00:07:51,184 Speaker 1: think she's ever gonna like bread crumb her a baby 179 00:07:51,264 --> 00:07:53,344 Speaker 1: or an engagement or anything like that. I think one 180 00:07:53,424 --> 00:07:55,424 Speaker 1: day she would just drop her wedding photos in like 181 00:07:55,504 --> 00:07:57,784 Speaker 1: a music video or a performance or something, and you 182 00:07:57,824 --> 00:08:01,864 Speaker 1: would kind of just you know, yeah, and like well 183 00:08:01,904 --> 00:08:04,744 Speaker 1: after the fact, just like a little sprinkling speaking of 184 00:08:04,744 --> 00:08:06,544 Speaker 1: the revenge and the Easter eggs and all that. What 185 00:08:06,584 --> 00:08:08,304 Speaker 1: do you think of the theory that she'd called the 186 00:08:08,384 --> 00:08:10,704 Speaker 1: album the Life of a show Girl so that it 187 00:08:10,784 --> 00:08:14,344 Speaker 1: sits above the Life of Pablo Kanye West album in 188 00:08:14,384 --> 00:08:15,464 Speaker 1: the charts and everything when. 189 00:08:15,344 --> 00:08:15,904 Speaker 2: You search it. 190 00:08:16,184 --> 00:08:17,944 Speaker 1: I thought that was like always one up him. 191 00:08:17,984 --> 00:08:20,664 Speaker 2: I thought that was really funny. Also, like I know 192 00:08:20,824 --> 00:08:22,744 Speaker 2: the SWIFTI fans are going to be so mad at me. 193 00:08:23,064 --> 00:08:24,664 Speaker 2: Oh go one say it. I'm a fan of hers. 194 00:08:24,664 --> 00:08:26,944 Speaker 2: I love her music. I'm not like a massive, massive 195 00:08:26,944 --> 00:08:30,144 Speaker 2: fan of like her as a like an entity, Like 196 00:08:30,184 --> 00:08:32,064 Speaker 2: I just love love her music. 197 00:08:31,864 --> 00:08:33,904 Speaker 1: Like with most artists, are you holding a grudge because 198 00:08:33,904 --> 00:08:35,344 Speaker 1: you didn't get errors to a tickets? 199 00:08:35,584 --> 00:08:40,024 Speaker 2: Obviously? Life of a show Girl not my favorite name 200 00:08:40,104 --> 00:08:40,704 Speaker 2: of an album. 201 00:08:40,944 --> 00:08:42,024 Speaker 1: What don't you like about it? 202 00:08:42,264 --> 00:08:44,984 Speaker 2: I don't like how it was written by chat gpt. 203 00:08:45,704 --> 00:08:47,744 Speaker 1: Okay do you think that? Yes? 204 00:08:47,904 --> 00:08:50,304 Speaker 2: I think it's like not as creative, and I feel 205 00:08:50,304 --> 00:08:53,464 Speaker 2: like she has like some really creative album names and 206 00:08:53,544 --> 00:08:56,624 Speaker 2: this just like I think it started with Tortured Poets 207 00:08:56,664 --> 00:09:00,184 Speaker 2: Department Life of a show Girl. I want to come 208 00:09:00,224 --> 00:09:05,744 Speaker 2: back to like the two syllables one syllable red speak. Now, yeah, 209 00:09:06,344 --> 00:09:07,904 Speaker 2: are they're your favorites reputation? 210 00:09:08,344 --> 00:09:11,264 Speaker 1: Yeah, I do love the idea that, like Poets Department 211 00:09:11,304 --> 00:09:13,424 Speaker 1: and the Last show Girl. Everyone's like, why did those 212 00:09:13,464 --> 00:09:18,584 Speaker 1: two names sound like you're misremembering a movie name, Like 213 00:09:18,664 --> 00:09:21,024 Speaker 1: it's the last show Girl and it's the only show goal. No, 214 00:09:21,064 --> 00:09:23,744 Speaker 1: it's life of a show show Girls. 215 00:09:23,624 --> 00:09:25,464 Speaker 2: Like torture, Poets like Society. 216 00:09:25,544 --> 00:09:28,904 Speaker 1: This poets Society and Poets Society. Do you hate us 217 00:09:28,984 --> 00:09:29,304 Speaker 1: right now? 218 00:09:29,384 --> 00:09:32,424 Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. Not my favorite album name. But I 219 00:09:32,464 --> 00:09:34,744 Speaker 2: never judge an album by its name. I want to 220 00:09:34,784 --> 00:09:35,704 Speaker 2: hear the music. 221 00:09:35,544 --> 00:09:37,504 Speaker 1: Or by its cover. That's very smart of people, and. 222 00:09:37,824 --> 00:09:39,384 Speaker 2: I sometimes judge it by the cover, which I love. 223 00:09:39,424 --> 00:09:42,944 Speaker 1: I love Yeah, oh thank god, Yeah, yes, very excited 224 00:09:42,984 --> 00:09:44,304 Speaker 1: to hear it. I haven't pre ordered it, but I'll 225 00:09:44,304 --> 00:09:46,544 Speaker 1: listen to them Spotify when it comes to But I do. 226 00:09:46,544 --> 00:09:49,224 Speaker 2: Like the idea that she did that to be ahead 227 00:09:49,264 --> 00:09:52,824 Speaker 2: of the Kanye West album title. It also makes me 228 00:09:52,864 --> 00:09:54,624 Speaker 2: think that like, she didn't put that much thought into it, 229 00:09:54,704 --> 00:09:55,584 Speaker 2: She just wanted to do that. 230 00:09:55,664 --> 00:09:57,704 Speaker 1: Yeah, she just looked at the algorithms in the search, 231 00:09:57,984 --> 00:09:59,664 Speaker 1: So I was like, what can I do about this? 232 00:10:00,504 --> 00:10:01,984 Speaker 1: She'll never confirm nor deny it. 233 00:10:02,064 --> 00:10:04,464 Speaker 2: But we know, we know, yeah, we know it's her. 234 00:10:06,144 --> 00:10:09,184 Speaker 1: Speaking of Taylor Swift, She's in the news for another 235 00:10:09,224 --> 00:10:11,104 Speaker 1: reason this week, and I would argue a much more 236 00:10:11,104 --> 00:10:11,784 Speaker 1: important reason. 237 00:10:11,904 --> 00:10:13,664 Speaker 2: I was going to say when I looked up Taylor 238 00:10:13,744 --> 00:10:16,784 Speaker 2: Swift's name, the podcast was not the first thing that 239 00:10:16,904 --> 00:10:20,304 Speaker 2: came out. Yes, same Another celebrity came up. 240 00:10:20,304 --> 00:10:23,304 Speaker 1: A celebrity tell all interview about Taylor Swift from one 241 00:10:23,344 --> 00:10:26,224 Speaker 1: of her very famous friends, Zoe Isabel Kravitz. 242 00:10:27,184 --> 00:10:28,944 Speaker 2: I love in middle name celebrities. 243 00:10:29,304 --> 00:10:31,984 Speaker 1: I just think, yeah, Zoey Isabel Kravitz, Taylor Ellison Swift. 244 00:10:31,984 --> 00:10:32,624 Speaker 1: It's all out there. 245 00:10:32,624 --> 00:10:33,504 Speaker 2: God, it's all out there. 246 00:10:33,624 --> 00:10:36,424 Speaker 1: So Zoe Kravitz was on a talk show. She's doing 247 00:10:36,464 --> 00:10:37,904 Speaker 1: a bit of press at the moment, and she was 248 00:10:37,904 --> 00:10:40,024 Speaker 1: talking about the fact that when the La fires happened, 249 00:10:40,024 --> 00:10:42,384 Speaker 1: both she and her mother win in like the danger areas, 250 00:10:42,784 --> 00:10:45,024 Speaker 1: and she called up her good friend friend Taylor Swift 251 00:10:45,104 --> 00:10:48,904 Speaker 1: and said, can I crash at your huge thirties Hollywood 252 00:10:48,984 --> 00:10:51,384 Speaker 1: mansion that is sitting empty? Because Taylor Swift has about 253 00:10:51,384 --> 00:10:53,904 Speaker 1: fifteen properties and spends a little bit of time in 254 00:10:53,944 --> 00:10:55,944 Speaker 1: each of them. So she and her mum would stayed 255 00:10:55,944 --> 00:10:58,144 Speaker 1: at Taylor's hug huge mansion, and she never said how 256 00:10:58,144 --> 00:11:00,144 Speaker 1: big it was, but at one stage she refers to 257 00:11:00,184 --> 00:11:03,144 Speaker 1: like all the stuff and the property manager, yeah and stuff, 258 00:11:03,184 --> 00:11:05,064 Speaker 1: so you know that this is the idea. It wasn't 259 00:11:05,104 --> 00:11:06,624 Speaker 1: like she went to Taylor's house and there was like 260 00:11:06,664 --> 00:11:08,184 Speaker 1: a key under a pop plan at the front. She 261 00:11:08,264 --> 00:11:10,944 Speaker 1: let her selfie, it's not the holiday cottage. Yeah, yeah, 262 00:11:11,144 --> 00:11:13,224 Speaker 1: it's the staff who lived full time on the property 263 00:11:13,224 --> 00:11:15,224 Speaker 1: to maintain it that let her in. So she and 264 00:11:15,224 --> 00:11:16,944 Speaker 1: her mum stayed there for a few weeks and then 265 00:11:17,064 --> 00:11:18,904 Speaker 1: Zoe was heading off to work and she was packing 266 00:11:18,944 --> 00:11:20,424 Speaker 1: up her stuff and she said she was really big 267 00:11:20,464 --> 00:11:23,584 Speaker 1: on wanting to leave the house as they found it 268 00:11:23,624 --> 00:11:25,504 Speaker 1: so Taylor would never know they were there to be 269 00:11:25,584 --> 00:11:28,504 Speaker 1: polite guests. And she was running around cleaning up. At 270 00:11:28,504 --> 00:11:30,624 Speaker 1: this stage, I'm like, your sawy has about holes in it, 271 00:11:30,664 --> 00:11:32,904 Speaker 1: because surely the house staff are already doing that. 272 00:11:33,464 --> 00:11:34,424 Speaker 2: But sure how much she did? 273 00:11:34,584 --> 00:11:37,304 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to call her Eliya. But then 274 00:11:37,344 --> 00:11:39,624 Speaker 1: her mum calls her on the phone again. Huge house 275 00:11:39,624 --> 00:11:42,224 Speaker 1: couldn't shut down the stairs and her mother had brought 276 00:11:42,224 --> 00:11:44,464 Speaker 1: her snake Orpheus with her. 277 00:11:44,704 --> 00:11:47,464 Speaker 2: Of course, lisabone has a pet snake. 278 00:11:47,504 --> 00:11:49,824 Speaker 1: I would expect nothing less of Lisa Binney. And she 279 00:11:49,984 --> 00:11:52,184 Speaker 1: ran out of her on firehouse and the first thing 280 00:11:52,184 --> 00:11:54,904 Speaker 1: she grabbed was Orpheus, the snake, which is the correct choice. 281 00:11:54,944 --> 00:11:58,104 Speaker 1: Correct And she was upstairs in a bathroom and Orpheus 282 00:11:58,104 --> 00:12:01,344 Speaker 1: had escaped, And when Zoe reached the bathroom, she realized 283 00:12:01,344 --> 00:12:03,544 Speaker 1: that the snake had gone through like a little hole 284 00:12:03,584 --> 00:12:06,424 Speaker 1: in the corner, and her mum was holding onto the 285 00:12:06,464 --> 00:12:09,584 Speaker 1: snake to stop it from going through the wall. And 286 00:12:09,624 --> 00:12:12,704 Speaker 1: then Panah consued because they were like, we either have 287 00:12:12,864 --> 00:12:15,624 Speaker 1: to destroy the bathroom and pull out all the walls 288 00:12:16,024 --> 00:12:18,944 Speaker 1: to get the snake out, or we have to just 289 00:12:19,064 --> 00:12:21,304 Speaker 1: let the snake go and let it start a new 290 00:12:21,344 --> 00:12:23,424 Speaker 1: life in the walls of tailor Sift's mansion. And then 291 00:12:23,424 --> 00:12:25,184 Speaker 1: call Taylor Stiff and say, hey, there's a snake loose 292 00:12:25,224 --> 00:12:27,304 Speaker 1: in your house. What would you have done? 293 00:12:27,824 --> 00:12:31,584 Speaker 2: I would have knocked down that entire house just to 294 00:12:31,624 --> 00:12:31,904 Speaker 2: get that. 295 00:12:31,944 --> 00:12:34,224 Speaker 1: Snake, which is what they did at one stage. If 296 00:12:34,264 --> 00:12:36,184 Speaker 1: I could have asked Zoe Kravitz a question one days, 297 00:12:36,224 --> 00:12:38,304 Speaker 1: she says that her mum's holding the snaketail and she's 298 00:12:38,344 --> 00:12:41,264 Speaker 1: holding the snaketail, And I don't know how snakes work, 299 00:12:41,304 --> 00:12:42,944 Speaker 1: but I was like, why don't you just pull it? 300 00:12:43,384 --> 00:12:45,864 Speaker 1: Would that have hurt a snake? Maybe like pull it, 301 00:12:45,984 --> 00:12:48,064 Speaker 1: but surely a little tug would have been fine. 302 00:12:48,104 --> 00:12:51,304 Speaker 2: I also think like snake's bodies is like all muscle, right, 303 00:12:51,504 --> 00:12:53,584 Speaker 2: so that could have been like quite a strong snake. 304 00:12:53,864 --> 00:12:59,664 Speaker 1: Yeah, so okay, great, someone call so get Robert air 305 00:12:59,744 --> 00:13:01,624 Speaker 1: on the phone, tell him to take your shirt off 306 00:13:01,664 --> 00:13:06,784 Speaker 1: and tell us, tell us how snakes work. So they 307 00:13:06,824 --> 00:13:08,984 Speaker 1: didn't pull the snake. Instead, they got the house manager 308 00:13:09,024 --> 00:13:11,464 Speaker 1: to come up and the stuff and literally came up 309 00:13:11,504 --> 00:13:16,744 Speaker 1: with like a crowbar ready, the whole bathroom open. And 310 00:13:16,824 --> 00:13:20,464 Speaker 1: so then Taylor's have returned to her demolished home from 311 00:13:20,544 --> 00:13:22,584 Speaker 1: Zoe Kravitz. But the snake was okay. I think that's 312 00:13:22,624 --> 00:13:23,264 Speaker 1: the important part. 313 00:13:23,424 --> 00:13:26,304 Speaker 2: The snake was okay, and I was like, whoa, this 314 00:13:26,344 --> 00:13:27,464 Speaker 2: is the story of a century. 315 00:13:28,024 --> 00:13:29,464 Speaker 1: However, it's not even. 316 00:13:29,224 --> 00:13:34,104 Speaker 2: The most popular animal celebrity story of the week. Yeah, 317 00:13:34,184 --> 00:13:37,264 Speaker 2: I want to take you back to late last week 318 00:13:37,504 --> 00:13:39,424 Speaker 2: and a lot of people miss the story. But it's 319 00:13:39,464 --> 00:13:45,024 Speaker 2: like every entertainment podcaster's dream story to talk about. So 320 00:13:45,184 --> 00:13:48,464 Speaker 2: we were gifted this beautiful news, and it comes from 321 00:13:48,624 --> 00:13:52,424 Speaker 2: a certain New York socialite you might remember named Anna Delvey. 322 00:13:52,624 --> 00:13:55,384 Speaker 2: Oh yes, also known as Anna Sorriken, which is her 323 00:13:55,464 --> 00:14:00,344 Speaker 2: real name, I'm guessing, yes, yes, yes, So she is 324 00:14:00,384 --> 00:14:04,664 Speaker 2: a very very famous con artist and fraudster. She's famous 325 00:14:04,744 --> 00:14:08,424 Speaker 2: amongst millennials mostly. She recently appeared on Dancing with the 326 00:14:08,464 --> 00:14:09,704 Speaker 2: Stars with her angle bracelet. 327 00:14:09,784 --> 00:14:10,224 Speaker 1: Do you remember that? 328 00:14:10,624 --> 00:14:10,824 Speaker 3: I do? 329 00:14:10,904 --> 00:14:13,384 Speaker 1: That was so important? And she's still got the ankle monitor. 330 00:14:13,024 --> 00:14:15,904 Speaker 2: On Oh my god, iconic, iconic scenes all around. So 331 00:14:16,104 --> 00:14:18,824 Speaker 2: our friend Anna. She recently did a photo shoot with 332 00:14:18,824 --> 00:14:21,944 Speaker 2: a photographer named Jasper Sooloff, and in one of the pictures, 333 00:14:21,944 --> 00:14:25,864 Speaker 2: she's seen on the streets looking very chic holding two 334 00:14:26,064 --> 00:14:29,104 Speaker 2: pink leads. At the end of these two pink leads 335 00:14:29,144 --> 00:14:32,824 Speaker 2: are two very cute bunny rabbits. H it's a beautiful photo. 336 00:14:32,984 --> 00:14:33,304 Speaker 1: Lovely. 337 00:14:34,264 --> 00:14:37,024 Speaker 2: Now this part is important the origin story of the 338 00:14:37,064 --> 00:14:41,144 Speaker 2: bunny rabbits. So it's a bit convoluted. So a hairstylist 339 00:14:41,144 --> 00:14:44,704 Speaker 2: and assistant on the shoot named Christian Baddie, he said 340 00:14:44,704 --> 00:14:47,504 Speaker 2: that he could get some rabbits. He asked someone online 341 00:14:47,544 --> 00:14:49,984 Speaker 2: if they could bring their bunny for the photo shoot, 342 00:14:50,184 --> 00:14:52,904 Speaker 2: but it's not totally clear who gave him the two bunnies. 343 00:14:53,304 --> 00:14:56,464 Speaker 2: A few days later, a blogger named Terry Chow saw 344 00:14:56,584 --> 00:15:00,504 Speaker 2: posts on a local Facebook group about rabbits that have 345 00:15:00,584 --> 00:15:04,184 Speaker 2: been lost in Prospect Park in Brooklyn. So she went 346 00:15:04,224 --> 00:15:06,504 Speaker 2: out there with two neighbors and they caught one rabbit, 347 00:15:06,544 --> 00:15:08,744 Speaker 2: and then a few days later they caught the other rabbit. 348 00:15:09,184 --> 00:15:12,144 Speaker 2: Then Chow was scrolling on Instagram and she was like, 349 00:15:12,584 --> 00:15:15,224 Speaker 2: h Anna Delivy's just on a photo shoot and those 350 00:15:15,304 --> 00:15:17,424 Speaker 2: rabbits look suspiciously similar. 351 00:15:17,624 --> 00:15:19,384 Speaker 1: The detective work is unparalleled. 352 00:15:21,224 --> 00:15:25,264 Speaker 2: Now here's where it gets really messy. This thing blows up. 353 00:15:25,424 --> 00:15:28,584 Speaker 2: Everyone on the internet was like, Ah, these rabbits from 354 00:15:28,584 --> 00:15:32,544 Speaker 2: Anna Delvi's photo shoot, like criminal Anna Delvy has just 355 00:15:32,584 --> 00:15:35,904 Speaker 2: been left in the park for people to just pick up. 356 00:15:35,944 --> 00:15:38,104 Speaker 2: Like they took the rabbits and then they just let 357 00:15:38,144 --> 00:15:39,424 Speaker 2: them go. How crazy. 358 00:15:39,584 --> 00:15:41,904 Speaker 1: And the story escalated from oh, she must have just 359 00:15:41,944 --> 00:15:44,504 Speaker 1: released them off those leases to she like drove past 360 00:15:44,544 --> 00:15:46,344 Speaker 1: in a car and probably like pelted them out the 361 00:15:46,384 --> 00:15:48,984 Speaker 1: window and then throwing bricks at them. Like That's how 362 00:15:48,984 --> 00:15:49,944 Speaker 1: the story escalated. 363 00:15:49,944 --> 00:15:53,224 Speaker 2: It got so insane. Where Christian Batty, You remember Christian Batty, 364 00:15:53,904 --> 00:15:57,744 Speaker 2: who bought the rabbits on he made a statement. I'm 365 00:15:57,744 --> 00:15:59,744 Speaker 2: going to read some of it. I need to be 366 00:15:59,824 --> 00:16:03,704 Speaker 2: completely honest. I lied to you, Anna and the rest 367 00:16:03,704 --> 00:16:06,904 Speaker 2: of the team about the rabbits. The truth is I 368 00:16:06,984 --> 00:16:08,144 Speaker 2: did abandon them in the car. 369 00:16:09,384 --> 00:16:11,504 Speaker 1: I'm not laughing. It can't stress enough. I'm not laughing 370 00:16:11,504 --> 00:16:12,104 Speaker 1: at the rabbits. 371 00:16:12,584 --> 00:16:16,344 Speaker 2: It was wrong, cruel, and inexcusable, and I take full 372 00:16:16,424 --> 00:16:21,264 Speaker 2: responsibility for my actions. At nineteen, with no experience caring 373 00:16:21,304 --> 00:16:24,584 Speaker 2: for animals, no pet friendly housing, and no knowledge of 374 00:16:24,624 --> 00:16:29,384 Speaker 2: available resources, I felt overwhelmed and made the worst possible choice. 375 00:16:30,584 --> 00:16:33,104 Speaker 2: When I realized the rabbits were being surrendered to me, 376 00:16:33,384 --> 00:16:37,304 Speaker 2: I panicked, Believing mistakenly that there were existing rabbits in 377 00:16:37,304 --> 00:16:40,064 Speaker 2: that area. I released them there, thinking that was my 378 00:16:40,184 --> 00:16:43,464 Speaker 2: best option. I'm relieved to hear that the rabbits are 379 00:16:43,504 --> 00:16:46,264 Speaker 2: now safe, but I deeply regret the harm I caused. 380 00:16:46,544 --> 00:16:48,984 Speaker 2: I also want to be clear that Anna and Jasper 381 00:16:49,024 --> 00:16:52,344 Speaker 2: had no knowledge of my actions until this afternoon, and 382 00:16:52,384 --> 00:16:54,864 Speaker 2: I asked that any mention of them be removed from 383 00:16:54,864 --> 00:17:00,024 Speaker 2: the situation. So Chow also did confirm that Baddie had 384 00:17:00,024 --> 00:17:01,744 Speaker 2: come back to the park to help them look for 385 00:17:01,824 --> 00:17:03,784 Speaker 2: the second rabbit, so I felt like it was all 386 00:17:03,784 --> 00:17:04,424 Speaker 2: put to rest. 387 00:17:04,584 --> 00:17:06,784 Speaker 1: She lied for a while in How We Know That 388 00:17:06,904 --> 00:17:09,784 Speaker 1: before that very important statement came out because Anna Delvy 389 00:17:09,864 --> 00:17:13,184 Speaker 1: was sharing all the screenshots of the group chat of 390 00:17:13,304 --> 00:17:16,264 Speaker 1: everyone involved, and at first she was like, no, I 391 00:17:16,304 --> 00:17:18,264 Speaker 1: gave them back to the owner. The owner took them 392 00:17:18,264 --> 00:17:19,664 Speaker 1: back and they were like, okay, do you have that 393 00:17:19,704 --> 00:17:22,384 Speaker 1: correspondence to prove it because that will fix the situation. 394 00:17:22,824 --> 00:17:25,304 Speaker 1: And did you notice the other name involved in all 395 00:17:25,344 --> 00:17:27,824 Speaker 1: of Kelly Katron? Oh my god, I forgot about Kelly. 396 00:17:28,264 --> 00:17:31,384 Speaker 1: Kelly Katron, especially for millennial women, is so important because 397 00:17:31,384 --> 00:17:33,624 Speaker 1: we were first introduced to her On the Hills as 398 00:17:33,704 --> 00:17:36,824 Speaker 1: Lauren Conrade's boss at a PR firm. She then starred 399 00:17:36,864 --> 00:17:39,304 Speaker 1: on the spinoff series From the Hills the City with 400 00:17:39,344 --> 00:17:41,664 Speaker 1: Whitney Port. And she is no one for being like 401 00:17:41,744 --> 00:17:45,864 Speaker 1: a brilliant like PR marketing guru, but also like being 402 00:17:46,064 --> 00:17:48,504 Speaker 1: like so tough. She used to tell the girls on 403 00:17:48,544 --> 00:17:50,344 Speaker 1: that show. People thought she was acting, but she wasn't, 404 00:17:50,584 --> 00:17:53,824 Speaker 1: like your shit, you're terrible. She fired Stephanie Pratt for 405 00:17:53,864 --> 00:17:55,664 Speaker 1: not picking up a phone call and doing a delivery, 406 00:17:55,664 --> 00:17:57,304 Speaker 1: and she was like, you call yourself a fashion girl, 407 00:17:57,464 --> 00:17:59,664 Speaker 1: a real fashion girl, even if she was getting engaged 408 00:17:59,704 --> 00:18:02,264 Speaker 1: to would say, hey, nice ring, I gotta go. What 409 00:18:02,304 --> 00:18:03,944 Speaker 1: do you mean You're on a lunch break? Like she's 410 00:18:03,984 --> 00:18:06,904 Speaker 1: so tough and she's in the comments and she's going, well, 411 00:18:06,904 --> 00:18:09,104 Speaker 1: then where's the correspondence? He's like, I deleted it? And 412 00:18:09,104 --> 00:18:10,944 Speaker 1: she's like, if you thought nothing was wrong, why did 413 00:18:10,944 --> 00:18:12,584 Speaker 1: you delete it? Where are the messages? And I was like, 414 00:18:12,584 --> 00:18:15,944 Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm watching a text exchange between Anna 415 00:18:15,984 --> 00:18:20,744 Speaker 1: Delvi and Kelly Katron, two very important women, debating the 416 00:18:20,784 --> 00:18:22,784 Speaker 1: existence and disappearance of these two. 417 00:18:22,664 --> 00:18:25,544 Speaker 2: Rabbits, especially after the rabbits were already found. 418 00:18:25,664 --> 00:18:25,904 Speaker 1: Yeah. 419 00:18:25,904 --> 00:18:28,664 Speaker 2: Like it's the funny thing is is that after all 420 00:18:28,744 --> 00:18:32,264 Speaker 2: these statements, like Baddy admitted that it was his fault, 421 00:18:33,064 --> 00:18:35,664 Speaker 2: and then they were found again, and then you would 422 00:18:35,664 --> 00:18:38,144 Speaker 2: think it's over. But then Anna was like, no, I 423 00:18:38,184 --> 00:18:39,224 Speaker 2: have to make my statement. 424 00:18:39,304 --> 00:18:41,424 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to make my statement of what happened. 425 00:18:41,944 --> 00:18:44,864 Speaker 2: And she said, yeah, as many of you are aware, 426 00:18:45,304 --> 00:18:49,904 Speaker 2: I recently did a shoot with Jasper Solov involving live rabbits. Also, 427 00:18:50,224 --> 00:18:52,624 Speaker 2: this is when everyone found out about the story, just 428 00:18:52,624 --> 00:18:55,984 Speaker 2: because of her statement. Christian Baddy, a member of the 429 00:18:56,024 --> 00:18:58,504 Speaker 2: hair team I briefly met during a fashion Week event 430 00:18:58,584 --> 00:19:01,064 Speaker 2: last year, responded that he knew someone who could lend 431 00:19:01,144 --> 00:19:04,504 Speaker 2: us bunnies for a few hours. As talent. It's not 432 00:19:04,624 --> 00:19:07,504 Speaker 2: my job to source or return animals, but as an 433 00:19:07,504 --> 00:19:09,944 Speaker 2: animal lover, I can promise I will never work with 434 00:19:09,984 --> 00:19:12,504 Speaker 2: them again without knowing exactly where they came from and 435 00:19:12,544 --> 00:19:14,904 Speaker 2: how they're getting home. I did not eat meat, and 436 00:19:14,944 --> 00:19:18,024 Speaker 2: I had no involvement in the acquisition, transport, or return 437 00:19:18,104 --> 00:19:21,704 Speaker 2: of these animals. I would never condone these actions. This 438 00:19:21,824 --> 00:19:22,504 Speaker 2: is still going. 439 00:19:22,744 --> 00:19:24,944 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, The last person to speak is poor Chow. 440 00:19:26,104 --> 00:19:27,984 Speaker 2: I need to read the statement. It's so funny. This 441 00:19:28,064 --> 00:19:30,304 Speaker 2: is like if we were involved in the situation. 442 00:19:29,944 --> 00:19:32,144 Speaker 1: This is exactly what we would do. I am tired 443 00:19:34,784 --> 00:19:38,744 Speaker 1: that you are escalated. This is worldwide news. I cannot 444 00:19:38,744 --> 00:19:41,504 Speaker 1: stress enough how many news outlets have done like deep 445 00:19:41,544 --> 00:19:45,664 Speaker 1: dive investigations on this. I am relieved. 446 00:19:45,944 --> 00:19:48,744 Speaker 2: I hope this entire episode has helped in spreading awareness 447 00:19:48,744 --> 00:19:52,304 Speaker 2: that you cannot dump your pets in a park. Owning 448 00:19:52,344 --> 00:19:54,984 Speaker 2: a pet is a privilege, not a right. Animals are 449 00:19:54,984 --> 00:19:57,344 Speaker 2: not props. They are beautiful living things that we need 450 00:19:57,384 --> 00:20:00,064 Speaker 2: to honor and cherish. They deserve to live as much 451 00:20:00,104 --> 00:20:01,024 Speaker 2: as anyone else. 452 00:20:01,184 --> 00:20:03,024 Speaker 1: Oh, he called it a crisis. Pr for that, and 453 00:20:03,064 --> 00:20:04,904 Speaker 1: the crisis is like, this is the easiest money I've 454 00:20:04,904 --> 00:20:07,184 Speaker 1: ever made. I'm just gonna type a statement. But Ada's 455 00:20:07,304 --> 00:20:10,224 Speaker 1: still going with it. First of all, she's loving the 456 00:20:10,464 --> 00:20:12,664 Speaker 1: She cannot let it go, which I kind of understand 457 00:20:12,664 --> 00:20:15,504 Speaker 1: because she loves like being infamous. But she could prove 458 00:20:15,544 --> 00:20:18,024 Speaker 1: that she wasn't in Prospect Park to dump them. She's like, 459 00:20:18,024 --> 00:20:20,104 Speaker 1: I've never been so happy to have an ankle monitor yea, 460 00:20:20,104 --> 00:20:24,904 Speaker 1: because you can literally find literally being tracked. But also 461 00:20:25,064 --> 00:20:27,704 Speaker 1: the people who found the rabbits, or people are pretending 462 00:20:27,744 --> 00:20:29,384 Speaker 1: that they found the rabbits. I haven't been able to 463 00:20:29,704 --> 00:20:33,384 Speaker 1: verify these reports, but they keep doing interviews with the rabbits. 464 00:20:33,744 --> 00:20:35,544 Speaker 1: Have you seen it? Where they're sharing their side of 465 00:20:35,584 --> 00:20:38,064 Speaker 1: the story. They're sharing their take and their experience. And 466 00:20:38,064 --> 00:20:40,184 Speaker 1: Anna keeps screen grabbing it up and putting up and 467 00:20:40,224 --> 00:20:42,264 Speaker 1: being like, oh, are you having your fun? Are you 468 00:20:42,304 --> 00:20:45,904 Speaker 1: having your final? Say? I hope you never wd she say. 469 00:20:46,024 --> 00:20:47,984 Speaker 1: She's like, I hope you never pose with a photo 470 00:20:47,984 --> 00:20:49,904 Speaker 1: with an animal. I hope you never hold your cat 471 00:20:49,984 --> 00:20:51,904 Speaker 1: up to a camera. Hey, I hope you're going to 472 00:20:51,904 --> 00:20:54,624 Speaker 1: take a photo with your baby, because has that baby 473 00:20:54,664 --> 00:20:57,744 Speaker 1: consented to the photo? And so basically she's calling out 474 00:20:57,784 --> 00:20:59,944 Speaker 1: anyone who's ever posed with their pet and or a 475 00:21:00,024 --> 00:21:02,264 Speaker 1: baby and saying it's the same as jumping a rabbit 476 00:21:02,304 --> 00:21:04,144 Speaker 1: in a park and also showed me the lie should 477 00:21:04,224 --> 00:21:05,304 Speaker 1: me lie? Anna. 478 00:21:05,504 --> 00:21:07,384 Speaker 2: I'm loving that you're getting your fine and it's a 479 00:21:07,424 --> 00:21:10,824 Speaker 2: fame again. I feel like, just keep pushing that, mar I. 480 00:21:10,864 --> 00:21:12,784 Speaker 1: Know, and look the rabbit again. We can't stress it 481 00:21:12,784 --> 00:21:15,584 Speaker 1: off that the rabbits are safe. They're okaye. They are 482 00:21:15,664 --> 00:21:18,504 Speaker 1: negotiating a book deal right now. They're negotiating an Oprah 483 00:21:18,544 --> 00:21:21,584 Speaker 1: style sit down to tell their side of the story, 484 00:21:22,064 --> 00:21:24,104 Speaker 1: and we're in contact with that. We're in contact. We're 485 00:21:24,104 --> 00:21:25,984 Speaker 1: going to have them on the spill very soon to 486 00:21:26,224 --> 00:21:31,024 Speaker 1: just get the real get the real story. So Margaret Quali, 487 00:21:31,784 --> 00:21:35,264 Speaker 1: Girl of the Moment, is the cover star of Cosmopolitan's 488 00:21:35,344 --> 00:21:38,024 Speaker 1: latest issue, and it's in a particularly special one because 489 00:21:38,024 --> 00:21:41,064 Speaker 1: it's their sixty year anniversary. So Cosmo has been around 490 00:21:41,104 --> 00:21:44,584 Speaker 1: for sixty years. Whew, that's double you've been alive. It's 491 00:21:44,624 --> 00:21:47,504 Speaker 1: exactly double of what I've been alive. That's an important fact. 492 00:21:47,744 --> 00:21:50,624 Speaker 1: So my Quali's on the cover. She looks gorgeous. The 493 00:21:50,624 --> 00:21:53,824 Speaker 1: photos inside are gorgeous. I found the interview really interesting. 494 00:21:53,864 --> 00:21:57,304 Speaker 1: We'll hold for Emily Vernham's opinion on that. In a minute, 495 00:21:57,464 --> 00:22:00,104 Speaker 1: she was talking about the acting projects has coming up, 496 00:22:00,184 --> 00:22:02,504 Speaker 1: also the importance of some of her big breakout roles, 497 00:22:02,504 --> 00:22:05,304 Speaker 1: like made, talking about how close she is with her sister, 498 00:22:05,664 --> 00:22:07,824 Speaker 1: all these really interesting things. But the part of that 499 00:22:08,024 --> 00:22:10,824 Speaker 1: interesting was that she talked a little bit about her 500 00:22:11,304 --> 00:22:13,544 Speaker 1: romance and marriage to Jack Antonov. 501 00:22:14,024 --> 00:22:16,384 Speaker 2: Yes, and they met after COVID. 502 00:22:16,624 --> 00:22:19,024 Speaker 1: Yeah, they met on a rooftop. They listened to the 503 00:22:19,064 --> 00:22:21,024 Speaker 1: Lana del Ross. She was wearing white. 504 00:22:21,064 --> 00:22:22,224 Speaker 2: Oh my god, was that about them? 505 00:22:22,304 --> 00:22:24,944 Speaker 1: Yes? Oh my god. When you know you know it's 506 00:22:24,984 --> 00:22:27,424 Speaker 1: about them, I had no idea. He met Margaret on 507 00:22:27,464 --> 00:22:30,384 Speaker 1: a rooftop. She was wearing white. He said, I think 508 00:22:30,424 --> 00:22:33,304 Speaker 1: I'm in trouble. Oh he had flushes at the good Life. 509 00:22:33,344 --> 00:22:36,424 Speaker 1: It's literally about her them. Oh my god. Okay, but 510 00:22:36,464 --> 00:22:37,824 Speaker 1: I love this forew you go listen to that song 511 00:22:37,824 --> 00:22:38,584 Speaker 1: with a new kind. 512 00:22:38,424 --> 00:22:44,624 Speaker 2: Of Yeah, sure is again. The way she described dating him, yeah, 513 00:22:45,104 --> 00:22:46,144 Speaker 2: was really weird to. 514 00:22:46,144 --> 00:22:49,424 Speaker 1: Me, interesting because I actually thought it was kind of 515 00:22:49,464 --> 00:22:52,024 Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm a little bit refreshing to hear. So, Like, 516 00:22:52,384 --> 00:22:55,584 Speaker 1: the question was who said I love you first? And 517 00:22:55,664 --> 00:22:59,504 Speaker 1: she said, oh him, obviously, obviously, obviously, Like she was 518 00:22:59,584 --> 00:23:02,184 Speaker 1: quite surprised by the question that she would ever say 519 00:23:02,224 --> 00:23:04,424 Speaker 1: I love you first, And she said that she was 520 00:23:04,424 --> 00:23:07,024 Speaker 1: a bit old fashioned with her rules around romance and 521 00:23:07,104 --> 00:23:09,904 Speaker 1: dating and that she would never say I love you first. 522 00:23:10,184 --> 00:23:12,584 Speaker 1: She would never be the first one to text, and 523 00:23:12,624 --> 00:23:15,304 Speaker 1: she never text us twice because she's an old school 524 00:23:15,384 --> 00:23:18,264 Speaker 1: Southern girl at heart, and that's how she goes about relationships. 525 00:23:18,304 --> 00:23:20,904 Speaker 1: What does that even mean. It's kind of like the 526 00:23:20,984 --> 00:23:25,344 Speaker 1: old school rules, like you wait for him to like message, 527 00:23:25,384 --> 00:23:27,704 Speaker 1: you will call you first. You kind of wait a 528 00:23:27,744 --> 00:23:30,224 Speaker 1: certain amount of days for you reply. You know. It's 529 00:23:30,264 --> 00:23:32,104 Speaker 1: kind of like that old school thing of playing really 530 00:23:32,184 --> 00:23:34,744 Speaker 1: hard to get of being the flame and not the moth. 531 00:23:34,904 --> 00:23:37,264 Speaker 1: The thing is which I wouldn't recommend for most of us. 532 00:23:37,304 --> 00:23:38,504 Speaker 1: I think that's a Margaret Collige thing. 533 00:23:38,544 --> 00:23:41,944 Speaker 2: I think you can be that if you're Margaret College exactly, 534 00:23:42,344 --> 00:23:45,224 Speaker 2: and you have the beauty and the fame and the fortune, 535 00:23:45,264 --> 00:23:47,144 Speaker 2: and like, of course i'd be chasing her. I'd be 536 00:23:47,144 --> 00:23:48,544 Speaker 2: taking double texting the hell out of her. 537 00:23:48,624 --> 00:23:50,944 Speaker 1: That was my first thought reading this. I was like, Oh, 538 00:23:51,224 --> 00:23:53,344 Speaker 1: interesting that you were being the like you were kind 539 00:23:53,344 --> 00:23:55,744 Speaker 1: of counting down, Like I've texted him here, so I 540 00:23:55,744 --> 00:23:58,024 Speaker 1: can't text him again. I sent this message so I 541 00:23:58,064 --> 00:24:00,824 Speaker 1: can't message again. And I was like, did you really 542 00:24:00,864 --> 00:24:02,944 Speaker 1: have to go through all that to win Jack Antonoff? 543 00:24:03,064 --> 00:24:04,704 Speaker 1: I feel like it was a sealed deal from the 544 00:24:04,704 --> 00:24:06,264 Speaker 1: moment you saw each other. Surely. 545 00:24:06,424 --> 00:24:09,744 Speaker 2: I thought that was really really surprising, but more than 546 00:24:09,784 --> 00:24:12,384 Speaker 2: the dating. So I know we originally discussed that we 547 00:24:12,384 --> 00:24:15,584 Speaker 2: were talking about the dating aspect of this profile. I 548 00:24:15,624 --> 00:24:17,104 Speaker 2: have some things to say about the other parts of 549 00:24:17,144 --> 00:24:17,624 Speaker 2: the press. 550 00:24:17,624 --> 00:24:20,024 Speaker 1: Okay, this is your floor to say what you want 551 00:24:20,064 --> 00:24:20,344 Speaker 1: to say. 552 00:24:20,464 --> 00:24:23,384 Speaker 2: Do we really believe there's a question in there that 553 00:24:23,584 --> 00:24:26,824 Speaker 2: asks and I genuinely think the interviewer was taking the 554 00:24:26,824 --> 00:24:28,024 Speaker 2: piss when they asked this question. 555 00:24:28,224 --> 00:24:31,504 Speaker 1: Yes. And the interview is the editor of the magazine, 556 00:24:31,824 --> 00:24:33,864 Speaker 1: which is a big deal, Willer because she's only like 557 00:24:33,904 --> 00:24:36,904 Speaker 1: twenty seven or twenty eight or something like that, insane, 558 00:24:37,424 --> 00:24:39,744 Speaker 1: and she's running the Cosmo empire, running. 559 00:24:39,464 --> 00:24:43,584 Speaker 2: The Cosmo Empire, sixty years younger than me. Yeah, the 560 00:24:43,704 --> 00:24:45,664 Speaker 2: question was how did you get into acting? 561 00:24:45,864 --> 00:24:46,104 Speaker 1: Yeah? 562 00:24:46,424 --> 00:24:49,904 Speaker 2: I think we all know how she got into acting. Yeah, 563 00:24:50,144 --> 00:24:52,424 Speaker 2: she does not answer the way we wanted her to answer. 564 00:24:52,504 --> 00:24:55,624 Speaker 1: Oh, because her mother is Andy McDowell, very famous actress. 565 00:24:55,224 --> 00:24:57,304 Speaker 2: And that's exactly how she got into acting. Okay, I 566 00:24:57,384 --> 00:25:00,304 Speaker 2: got into acting because my mother, Andy, who's very famous, 567 00:25:00,584 --> 00:25:03,384 Speaker 2: very well known, got me into acting. That's literally all 568 00:25:03,384 --> 00:25:03,944 Speaker 2: she had to say. 569 00:25:04,024 --> 00:25:06,064 Speaker 1: Okay, So you don't believe the story she said in 570 00:25:06,064 --> 00:25:08,664 Speaker 1: a magazine that she got into a ballet school in 571 00:25:08,664 --> 00:25:10,304 Speaker 1: New York and high school. 572 00:25:10,064 --> 00:25:10,744 Speaker 2: Could be true. 573 00:25:10,904 --> 00:25:15,144 Speaker 1: No, that is true, and they decided that she couldn't 574 00:25:15,144 --> 00:25:17,064 Speaker 1: cut it as a dance, so she wasn't quite good enough, 575 00:25:17,064 --> 00:25:18,464 Speaker 1: and so she got herself. 576 00:25:18,224 --> 00:25:20,584 Speaker 2: Which I also agreed, because we did see that James 577 00:25:20,624 --> 00:25:22,064 Speaker 2: Bond special dance. 578 00:25:24,264 --> 00:25:25,824 Speaker 1: And you were like, oh, I see why she didn't 579 00:25:25,824 --> 00:25:28,864 Speaker 1: make it the American Ballet School armchair critic over here. 580 00:25:30,384 --> 00:25:32,784 Speaker 1: So that in the magazine she talks about yeah, like 581 00:25:33,104 --> 00:25:34,944 Speaker 1: she emailed her mum and said, I've dropped out of 582 00:25:35,024 --> 00:25:37,424 Speaker 1: ballet school, but I found another school to go to, 583 00:25:37,464 --> 00:25:39,584 Speaker 1: like a high school. Because she was sixteen. I found 584 00:25:39,584 --> 00:25:41,064 Speaker 1: a job and I'm going to make it work. What 585 00:25:41,104 --> 00:25:43,024 Speaker 1: do you think? And then she slept on a mattress 586 00:25:43,024 --> 00:25:45,464 Speaker 1: on the floor, went to Paris Fashion Week with a 587 00:25:45,464 --> 00:25:48,184 Speaker 1: textbook to study for the classes. She was failing and 588 00:25:48,224 --> 00:25:49,704 Speaker 1: had no friends. You don't believe that. 589 00:25:49,824 --> 00:25:52,784 Speaker 2: I don't believe that. The thing I don't believe the 590 00:25:52,824 --> 00:25:54,424 Speaker 2: most is a mattress on the floor. 591 00:25:54,824 --> 00:25:57,104 Speaker 1: Yeah, well it might have been a very luxurious mattress 592 00:25:57,104 --> 00:25:59,144 Speaker 1: on like a very big apartment. 593 00:25:59,224 --> 00:26:02,624 Speaker 2: It's apartment that her parents had bought. Yeah, and she's 594 00:26:02,624 --> 00:26:05,144 Speaker 2: living in. She's talking about like struggling to pay rents. 595 00:26:05,024 --> 00:26:07,704 Speaker 1: Because she said she was financially independent in eighteen because 596 00:26:07,704 --> 00:26:09,304 Speaker 1: she was working so much. She was like full time 597 00:26:09,344 --> 00:26:10,344 Speaker 1: modeling at the time. 598 00:26:10,544 --> 00:26:13,544 Speaker 2: She was financially independent at eighteen because her parents had 599 00:26:13,584 --> 00:26:15,904 Speaker 2: a trust fund that was given to her by birth. Okay, 600 00:26:16,544 --> 00:26:19,064 Speaker 2: Like I just like I just feel we've talked about 601 00:26:19,104 --> 00:26:21,824 Speaker 2: NEPO babies so much, and there are some nebo babies 602 00:26:21,824 --> 00:26:24,224 Speaker 2: that we love because they fully lean into it, like 603 00:26:24,224 --> 00:26:26,624 Speaker 2: they fully accept that they're a nebo baby. We've talked 604 00:26:26,624 --> 00:26:29,304 Speaker 2: about Dakota Johnson and like taking the piss out of 605 00:26:29,344 --> 00:26:32,064 Speaker 2: being a NEPO baby, and always like talking about like 606 00:26:32,104 --> 00:26:34,984 Speaker 2: a parent and upbringing and Antonio Bendez like an like 607 00:26:35,064 --> 00:26:38,384 Speaker 2: everyone who's like a NEPO baby feels like they're now 608 00:26:38,384 --> 00:26:40,024 Speaker 2: starting to get around and be like, well, I can't 609 00:26:40,104 --> 00:26:40,464 Speaker 2: change it. 610 00:26:40,664 --> 00:26:43,264 Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's still very much is like I'm not 611 00:26:43,624 --> 00:26:46,304 Speaker 1: I was a struggling actress on the streets. You was, 612 00:26:46,904 --> 00:26:50,544 Speaker 1: She wasn't. And I don't like that part of the interview. 613 00:26:50,624 --> 00:26:52,664 Speaker 2: But I love how Cosmo just kept it all land 614 00:26:52,664 --> 00:26:53,864 Speaker 2: because it's so funny. 615 00:26:54,104 --> 00:26:55,544 Speaker 1: I mean, look, I feel like a lot of people 616 00:26:55,584 --> 00:26:57,624 Speaker 1: believed it, even I like, I mean, I never thought 617 00:26:57,624 --> 00:26:59,544 Speaker 1: she was struggling on the street. But when she was 618 00:26:59,584 --> 00:27:01,864 Speaker 1: talking about like, as soon as you say, I'm traveling 619 00:27:01,944 --> 00:27:05,264 Speaker 1: the world to walk in different catwalks at different fashion weeks, 620 00:27:05,624 --> 00:27:08,584 Speaker 1: my sort of empathy for your struggle as a struggling, 621 00:27:08,664 --> 00:27:10,984 Speaker 1: starving artist does drop a little bit, a little bit, 622 00:27:11,264 --> 00:27:13,384 Speaker 1: But I did. I did kind of believe the fact 623 00:27:13,384 --> 00:27:15,504 Speaker 1: that she was like modeling to put herself through high 624 00:27:15,504 --> 00:27:17,504 Speaker 1: school and she was like living in New York alone. 625 00:27:17,704 --> 00:27:19,064 Speaker 1: And I do believe she had no friends. 626 00:27:19,424 --> 00:27:22,584 Speaker 2: I believe that no, no, no, at the time at 627 00:27:22,584 --> 00:27:24,904 Speaker 2: the time at be friends now. She has a lot 628 00:27:24,944 --> 00:27:27,504 Speaker 2: of friends now, But yeah, at the time, it's just 629 00:27:27,544 --> 00:27:31,184 Speaker 2: like I feel like, ever since I learned about this 630 00:27:31,464 --> 00:27:35,224 Speaker 2: particular celebrity, it's just been questioned after question For me. 631 00:27:35,424 --> 00:27:37,424 Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, we have had her on the spill 632 00:27:37,464 --> 00:27:41,344 Speaker 1: before and no questions were answered. I can't stress that enough. 633 00:27:43,144 --> 00:27:46,384 Speaker 1: And that is one of my wildest interviewing experiences into 634 00:27:46,384 --> 00:27:50,864 Speaker 1: beeing Margaret Quali because one of my wildest interviewing experiences. 635 00:27:50,864 --> 00:27:51,904 Speaker 2: And I wasn't even there. 636 00:27:52,104 --> 00:27:54,424 Speaker 1: I just could I can't believely came into the office 637 00:27:54,424 --> 00:27:57,144 Speaker 1: at six am to interview her and we got on 638 00:27:57,184 --> 00:28:00,344 Speaker 1: the zoom and she was with jeral Dean vishwanahand amazing 639 00:28:00,344 --> 00:28:04,184 Speaker 1: Australian actress who did all the talking. And this is 640 00:28:04,344 --> 00:28:06,784 Speaker 1: a girl who is i'm sure lovely and creative, but 641 00:28:06,824 --> 00:28:09,744 Speaker 1: has never had to sort of like be super professional. 642 00:28:09,824 --> 00:28:12,664 Speaker 1: I think in a way because the interview came on, 643 00:28:12,704 --> 00:28:14,744 Speaker 1: I have limited time. I'm here at six am, I've 644 00:28:14,744 --> 00:28:16,864 Speaker 1: watched the movie, I've got my questions. I could never 645 00:28:16,904 --> 00:28:19,344 Speaker 1: be more prepped. And she jumps up because she had 646 00:28:19,424 --> 00:28:21,064 Speaker 1: lace gloves on they want to pay outf and she'd 647 00:28:21,064 --> 00:28:22,504 Speaker 1: taken them off and she wanted to go put them 648 00:28:22,504 --> 00:28:24,584 Speaker 1: back on. And everyone in the room is like, Margaret, 649 00:28:24,584 --> 00:28:25,944 Speaker 1: sit down, like you've got to do the interview. And 650 00:28:25,944 --> 00:28:27,624 Speaker 1: I was like, hey, Margaret's nice to meet you, Like, 651 00:28:27,664 --> 00:28:30,624 Speaker 1: I literally have seven minutes, and the whole time she 652 00:28:30,784 --> 00:28:34,584 Speaker 1: was just hysterically laughing and like falling sideways. What was 653 00:28:34,624 --> 00:28:37,224 Speaker 1: she laughing at? Who could say? Elvi? I didn't know 654 00:28:37,784 --> 00:28:39,424 Speaker 1: how much this upsets me. 655 00:28:39,904 --> 00:28:44,704 Speaker 2: Really, We've talked about this interview, like look to the interview. Yeah, 656 00:28:44,824 --> 00:28:46,464 Speaker 2: the minute you got out of the interview, I listened 657 00:28:46,464 --> 00:28:48,304 Speaker 2: to it because I was so excited, like a huge 658 00:28:48,384 --> 00:28:50,424 Speaker 2: get right, you get. 659 00:28:50,304 --> 00:28:52,664 Speaker 1: To come on out a little old podcast spill. 660 00:28:53,064 --> 00:28:55,144 Speaker 2: I don't want to keep going on and on. Every 661 00:28:55,144 --> 00:28:57,504 Speaker 2: time I talk about Margaret Quali. Everyone's like, why does 662 00:28:57,544 --> 00:29:00,504 Speaker 2: Emburdam hate women so much? That is what they say, 663 00:29:00,664 --> 00:29:03,384 Speaker 2: Why does she hate women? And I'm like, go back 664 00:29:03,424 --> 00:29:06,304 Speaker 2: and listen to that interview because it was such an 665 00:29:06,344 --> 00:29:09,424 Speaker 2: important get for us, and it was just so disappointed, 666 00:29:09,464 --> 00:29:11,144 Speaker 2: Like I felt disappointed dead for you. 667 00:29:11,784 --> 00:29:13,504 Speaker 1: Yeah in saying that, Look, I would have been more 668 00:29:13,504 --> 00:29:15,424 Speaker 1: disappointed because I was a bit shell shocked when I 669 00:29:15,424 --> 00:29:16,984 Speaker 1: turned off the zoom and was like, oh, I can't 670 00:29:17,024 --> 00:29:19,464 Speaker 1: stress enough how much Geraldine gave me beautiful stuff. They 671 00:29:19,464 --> 00:29:22,504 Speaker 1: were together, It's fine. The movie was great. Driveway dolls. 672 00:29:22,784 --> 00:29:25,384 Speaker 1: I saw her doing like the talk show circuit that week, 673 00:29:25,504 --> 00:29:28,224 Speaker 1: and she was almost doing the same thing, like hysterically 674 00:29:28,304 --> 00:29:30,544 Speaker 1: kind of laughing, falling sideways, not really sure what she 675 00:29:30,584 --> 00:29:33,104 Speaker 1: was saying, saying these like weird, little glib comments, and 676 00:29:33,144 --> 00:29:35,544 Speaker 1: I just thought, oh, that's just how she is this week, 677 00:29:35,584 --> 00:29:37,384 Speaker 1: doing the press cycle. Like she's doing it to me, 678 00:29:37,464 --> 00:29:39,224 Speaker 1: She's doing it to like the Jimmy's on Late night, 679 00:29:39,224 --> 00:29:41,104 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, yeah, anyway, we love 680 00:29:41,104 --> 00:29:41,784 Speaker 1: a chaotic. 681 00:29:41,584 --> 00:29:44,184 Speaker 2: Queen comment out of her. We got nothing. 682 00:29:44,424 --> 00:29:47,184 Speaker 1: Yeah, well she wanted to put her gloves on. I 683 00:29:47,224 --> 00:29:49,584 Speaker 1: got that. And I also like to meet Geraldine. She's like, 684 00:29:49,584 --> 00:29:51,584 Speaker 1: it's the best day of my life and then laughed hysterically. 685 00:29:51,664 --> 00:29:52,704 Speaker 1: So that was lovely for her. 686 00:29:52,944 --> 00:29:56,984 Speaker 2: So anyway, going going, I think we feel sorry for Geraldine. 687 00:29:57,104 --> 00:29:59,984 Speaker 1: Geraldine was really it's like when you do a podcast 688 00:29:59,984 --> 00:30:04,304 Speaker 1: as someone who gives you nothing. It's like Geraldine's like peddling. Okay, 689 00:30:04,304 --> 00:30:06,864 Speaker 1: so the Margaret Quality school of dating, you're gonna say 690 00:30:06,864 --> 00:30:07,264 Speaker 1: no to that. 691 00:30:07,504 --> 00:30:11,064 Speaker 2: I'm saying hard, no, I feel like dating She's already 692 00:30:11,344 --> 00:30:14,904 Speaker 2: so shit right now, Like it's really really hard. Last 693 00:30:14,904 --> 00:30:17,504 Speaker 2: thing you want to be doing is taking dating advice 694 00:30:17,744 --> 00:30:22,864 Speaker 2: from a woman who literally didn't need any dating advice 695 00:30:22,944 --> 00:30:25,424 Speaker 2: her whole life and is like now married to the 696 00:30:25,424 --> 00:30:26,224 Speaker 2: love of a life. 697 00:30:26,264 --> 00:30:28,584 Speaker 1: Oh see, I don't know if that's quite true. Like, yeah, 698 00:30:28,664 --> 00:30:33,104 Speaker 1: she's a beautiful, rich, successful model, actress, dancer, but I do. 699 00:30:32,984 --> 00:30:35,704 Speaker 2: Still think she's just struggling on that mattress. 700 00:30:35,864 --> 00:30:38,544 Speaker 1: Yeah, the mattress struggle is real. But I do still 701 00:30:38,584 --> 00:30:40,824 Speaker 1: think that even the dating game, even at that high level, 702 00:30:40,864 --> 00:30:42,424 Speaker 1: because you got to think the people that she's dating 703 00:30:42,464 --> 00:30:45,184 Speaker 1: are actors, musicians, They're people from the same world. So 704 00:30:45,464 --> 00:30:47,504 Speaker 1: it's not like she's dating like a normy that she 705 00:30:47,624 --> 00:30:50,504 Speaker 1: met on a corner street or anything like that. She's 706 00:30:50,584 --> 00:30:53,784 Speaker 1: dating people who are in that world. And she talks 707 00:30:53,784 --> 00:30:56,624 Speaker 1: in the article about previously to marrying Jack, always feeling 708 00:30:56,624 --> 00:30:59,744 Speaker 1: like she had to transform herself into this like ideal 709 00:30:59,824 --> 00:31:02,504 Speaker 1: girlfriend and play this character, and she was always like 710 00:31:02,904 --> 00:31:05,104 Speaker 1: very stressed. So I do think there's something in that. 711 00:31:05,144 --> 00:31:06,704 Speaker 1: She always felt like she was on the back foot 712 00:31:06,704 --> 00:31:09,984 Speaker 1: and relationships, and so she turned these really old school 713 00:31:10,424 --> 00:31:13,984 Speaker 1: than dating rules. And I've got to say, like, I'm 714 00:31:14,024 --> 00:31:16,424 Speaker 1: not saying that women should like regress in relationships and 715 00:31:16,424 --> 00:31:18,904 Speaker 1: feel like they can't call, they can't text, or they 716 00:31:18,944 --> 00:31:21,744 Speaker 1: can't make the first move, but I did almost feel 717 00:31:21,744 --> 00:31:24,024 Speaker 1: something like a little bit comforting about it, because I 718 00:31:24,024 --> 00:31:26,024 Speaker 1: just feel like dating is really stressful, especially at the moment. 719 00:31:26,104 --> 00:31:28,344 Speaker 2: More like knowing that we're all doing it. 720 00:31:28,344 --> 00:31:30,264 Speaker 1: It was having rules. It was having a clear set 721 00:31:30,264 --> 00:31:31,504 Speaker 1: of rules because at the moment, you know, like if 722 00:31:31,504 --> 00:31:32,904 Speaker 1: you want to date, you're like, do I text? Do 723 00:31:32,984 --> 00:31:35,144 Speaker 1: they text? Do I text on this platform? Do I 724 00:31:35,184 --> 00:31:37,544 Speaker 1: like their Instagram story? Do I send them a message? 725 00:31:37,864 --> 00:31:40,024 Speaker 1: Do I like like their tiktoks? I don't know. I 726 00:31:40,064 --> 00:31:42,104 Speaker 1: guess something like the tiks. 727 00:31:42,184 --> 00:31:42,544 Speaker 2: I don't know. 728 00:31:42,624 --> 00:31:46,024 Speaker 1: Is that what the kid's doing to date? Am I 729 00:31:46,104 --> 00:31:49,864 Speaker 1: doing it wrong? It's fine? Okay, thank you. I loved 730 00:31:49,904 --> 00:31:52,224 Speaker 1: the idea of if someone calls your messages you and 731 00:31:52,264 --> 00:31:54,064 Speaker 1: then you send them one text message back, and then 732 00:31:54,064 --> 00:31:56,264 Speaker 1: you cut yourself off and it's their job to message 733 00:31:56,304 --> 00:31:59,344 Speaker 1: you back. So everyone knows where they stand, everyone knows 734 00:31:59,384 --> 00:32:02,384 Speaker 1: their rules, everyone knows their place in the dating game. 735 00:32:02,464 --> 00:32:04,624 Speaker 2: Okay, but if you're playing the dating game, at least 736 00:32:04,664 --> 00:32:06,504 Speaker 2: make sure the person you're playing with it also knows 737 00:32:06,504 --> 00:32:06,944 Speaker 2: a're playing. 738 00:32:07,064 --> 00:32:09,424 Speaker 1: Well. That's the thing. Everyone needs to know the rules. 739 00:32:09,424 --> 00:32:11,624 Speaker 2: So I don't know, Maybe this is like a PSA 740 00:32:11,624 --> 00:32:14,144 Speaker 2: when you put out the spills list of dating rules. 741 00:32:14,224 --> 00:32:16,264 Speaker 1: Well, I actually loved like to bring it back to 742 00:32:16,264 --> 00:32:18,464 Speaker 1: the top of the episode quickly. Taylor' saif of talking 743 00:32:18,464 --> 00:32:21,224 Speaker 1: about what won her over with Travis Kelce is that 744 00:32:21,664 --> 00:32:24,184 Speaker 1: he talked about in this podcast and this is kind 745 00:32:24,184 --> 00:32:26,344 Speaker 1: of new information that he had gone to her concepts. 746 00:32:26,544 --> 00:32:28,544 Speaker 1: He had listened to the lyrics. He did think he 747 00:32:28,584 --> 00:32:30,224 Speaker 1: was going to be let backstage, as I thought was 748 00:32:30,224 --> 00:32:32,504 Speaker 1: a bit weird of him, and Taylor was like, no, no, 749 00:32:33,504 --> 00:32:34,904 Speaker 1: When they didn't know each other, he listened to her 750 00:32:34,944 --> 00:32:37,144 Speaker 1: lyrics and I was like, Oh, she wants someone to really 751 00:32:37,264 --> 00:32:40,184 Speaker 1: chase her and make a big public love declaration and 752 00:32:40,224 --> 00:32:42,944 Speaker 1: then follow it up with actions, and that's what he did. 753 00:32:42,944 --> 00:32:44,544 Speaker 1: And she was like, that is what won me over. 754 00:32:45,064 --> 00:32:47,464 Speaker 1: That and the fact that a hundred people in her 755 00:32:47,504 --> 00:32:49,424 Speaker 1: life came to her and said this guy is amazing. 756 00:32:49,864 --> 00:32:52,064 Speaker 1: So it wasn't just I don't think any random could 757 00:32:52,064 --> 00:32:54,384 Speaker 1: do that, or any random with a profile. But she 758 00:32:54,544 --> 00:32:56,944 Speaker 1: was like, I wanted someone to shout from the rooftops 759 00:32:56,944 --> 00:32:59,144 Speaker 1: that they loved me, and like really like be there 760 00:32:59,184 --> 00:33:01,544 Speaker 1: for me and be a hype person. And I've been 761 00:33:01,584 --> 00:33:04,344 Speaker 1: waiting for this since I was a child, and that 762 00:33:04,544 --> 00:33:08,584 Speaker 1: is what won me over. Men who listened, men who listened, 763 00:33:08,584 --> 00:33:11,384 Speaker 1: men who show up and support. I don't know, I 764 00:33:11,424 --> 00:33:13,664 Speaker 1: guess I also that was quite good dating rules. It's 765 00:33:13,704 --> 00:33:16,184 Speaker 1: like this idea of like everyone kind of has like 766 00:33:16,264 --> 00:33:19,224 Speaker 1: their you know, like he makes a declaration, you like 767 00:33:19,344 --> 00:33:21,624 Speaker 1: lean into that. Well, we like platform. 768 00:33:21,704 --> 00:33:24,704 Speaker 2: Maybe you can say here, yeah, what you want, and 769 00:33:24,704 --> 00:33:26,304 Speaker 2: then maybe a man will listen and be like, that's 770 00:33:26,344 --> 00:33:27,984 Speaker 2: exactly what she wants. I'm going to do. 771 00:33:28,064 --> 00:33:32,984 Speaker 1: I think, well, yeah, maybe maybe Dallas. I don't know 772 00:33:33,064 --> 00:33:35,384 Speaker 1: if that's how the dating game works. I'm just saying 773 00:33:35,424 --> 00:33:37,224 Speaker 1: it em and I have any secreted maras out there 774 00:33:37,264 --> 00:33:39,784 Speaker 1: who are too scared to text us and or make 775 00:33:39,784 --> 00:33:42,064 Speaker 1: a public declaration. This is your go to. 776 00:33:42,344 --> 00:33:43,184 Speaker 2: Now's your chance. 777 00:33:43,344 --> 00:33:46,744 Speaker 1: Just don't do it on TikTok because I rarely say that. 778 00:33:46,944 --> 00:33:49,304 Speaker 1: You can dm us dm us on Instagram with a 779 00:33:49,304 --> 00:33:52,944 Speaker 1: Spill podcast Instagram our producers like, you know, what I 780 00:33:52,944 --> 00:33:54,504 Speaker 1: don't want to be doing in my busy day is 781 00:33:54,544 --> 00:33:59,424 Speaker 1: fielding your dating requests. And also I'm pretty sure there's 782 00:33:59,424 --> 00:34:01,104 Speaker 1: a lot of street men listening to this, but you know, 783 00:34:01,544 --> 00:34:03,144 Speaker 1: we can dream, We can dream. 784 00:34:03,424 --> 00:34:06,024 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today 785 00:34:06,184 --> 00:34:09,104 Speaker 2: before you go, do you want a free month of 786 00:34:09,224 --> 00:34:11,864 Speaker 2: Muma Mia and a ten dollar gift card because we 787 00:34:12,024 --> 00:34:14,224 Speaker 2: have got you, because we are cooking up something very 788 00:34:14,224 --> 00:34:16,904 Speaker 2: exciting and we need your brilliant opinions to help us 789 00:34:16,944 --> 00:34:20,024 Speaker 2: make even better content. It's a survey. There's a link 790 00:34:20,024 --> 00:34:22,144 Speaker 2: in our show notes. It will take you only twenty 791 00:34:22,344 --> 00:34:25,224 Speaker 2: minutes of your time. Thank you so much for filling 792 00:34:25,224 --> 00:34:28,024 Speaker 2: it out, and don't forget to follow us on TikTok 793 00:34:28,144 --> 00:34:30,144 Speaker 2: at the Spill. We are also on Instagram at the 794 00:34:30,144 --> 00:34:33,144 Speaker 2: Spill podcast. The Spill is produced by Minitia's Warren Resound, 795 00:34:33,184 --> 00:34:35,024 Speaker 2: production by Scott Stronik. And we'll be back here on 796 00:34:35,064 --> 00:34:38,144 Speaker 2: your podcast feed for a weekend watch at six am tomorrow. 797 00:34:38,384 --> 00:34:44,464 Speaker 1: Bye bye, byelan It