1 00:00:11,064 --> 00:00:11,384 Speaker 1: So much. 2 00:00:11,424 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 2: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 3 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 1: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 4 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:26,744 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome 5 00:00:26,784 --> 00:00:30,064 Speaker 1: to the spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura 6 00:00:30,064 --> 00:00:31,184 Speaker 1: Brodnick and. 7 00:00:31,104 --> 00:00:33,864 Speaker 3: I'm Kelly McCarran, and I've got a question for the Spillers. 8 00:00:34,104 --> 00:00:36,064 Speaker 3: When you're really trying to concentrate on. 9 00:00:36,024 --> 00:00:37,144 Speaker 1: Something, don't do this, Kelly. 10 00:00:37,264 --> 00:00:40,824 Speaker 3: Are you either team Laura, which is complete silence, or 11 00:00:40,864 --> 00:00:44,104 Speaker 3: team Kelly, which is complete duff duff duff doff like 12 00:00:44,184 --> 00:00:45,584 Speaker 3: intense music. 13 00:00:45,704 --> 00:00:48,664 Speaker 1: Guys. I learned the most horrendous thing about Kelly today 14 00:00:48,704 --> 00:00:51,184 Speaker 1: And I thought, I know, like, we've got on trips together, 15 00:00:51,304 --> 00:00:53,504 Speaker 1: so we have seen each other hung over at an 16 00:00:53,544 --> 00:00:56,024 Speaker 1: airport at seven am, so we've seen the worst of 17 00:00:56,064 --> 00:00:58,304 Speaker 1: each other, me losing the car keys before we even 18 00:00:58,344 --> 00:01:00,624 Speaker 1: got the rental car. We've seen the worst of each other. 19 00:01:00,624 --> 00:01:03,224 Speaker 1: But today I've learned the worst thing about you, which 20 00:01:03,264 --> 00:01:05,624 Speaker 1: is not only do you need music to work to, 21 00:01:06,144 --> 00:01:09,264 Speaker 1: but you have the most intense seizure inducing music. 22 00:01:09,584 --> 00:01:11,384 Speaker 3: And they're a literally said you have to feel like 23 00:01:11,704 --> 00:01:13,664 Speaker 3: about to have an actual seizure. 24 00:01:13,784 --> 00:01:16,464 Speaker 1: Can anyone listen to what she works to. Can anyone 25 00:01:16,584 --> 00:01:22,464 Speaker 1: concentrate to this? Yes, yes, people can. 26 00:01:22,624 --> 00:01:25,584 Speaker 3: People will either be probably be fifty to fifty iron No, 27 00:01:25,664 --> 00:01:28,384 Speaker 3: it won't be a team Laura or Team Kelly on 28 00:01:28,664 --> 00:01:32,184 Speaker 3: complete silence or Laura is shaking. 29 00:01:32,904 --> 00:01:35,424 Speaker 1: That's going to stay with me until the dark piece. 30 00:01:35,504 --> 00:01:38,584 Speaker 3: You can listen to Everyone's like. 31 00:01:38,504 --> 00:01:40,424 Speaker 1: Your life is so well and exciting. I'm like, yeah, 32 00:01:40,424 --> 00:01:42,784 Speaker 1: I can only be in quiet, dark places to work, 33 00:01:42,824 --> 00:01:44,224 Speaker 1: which is not the Mum Mirror office. 34 00:01:44,304 --> 00:01:46,184 Speaker 2: Whereas I sit there listening to that. 35 00:01:46,624 --> 00:01:48,304 Speaker 1: It's actually a good thing. I have had some quiet 36 00:01:48,304 --> 00:01:51,224 Speaker 1: time today because we have a very intense episode. 37 00:01:50,904 --> 00:01:53,504 Speaker 2: And I tried wrap my head around it for the episode. 38 00:01:53,504 --> 00:01:55,944 Speaker 3: But my goodness, and I glad that Laura's here because 39 00:01:56,344 --> 00:01:57,664 Speaker 3: she's going to fill us all in. 40 00:01:57,904 --> 00:02:01,504 Speaker 1: Yes, this story has been well over ten years in 41 00:02:01,544 --> 00:02:03,784 Speaker 1: the making and I have been wanting to talk about it. 42 00:02:03,984 --> 00:02:07,224 Speaker 1: People said it ten years ten years before I worked 43 00:02:07,224 --> 00:02:09,904 Speaker 1: in entertainment journalism. This is not going to sound fun 44 00:02:09,944 --> 00:02:11,904 Speaker 1: and sexy, but I promise you it's so fun. It's 45 00:02:11,904 --> 00:02:15,664 Speaker 1: so sexy and very troubling. The biggest data leak in 46 00:02:15,744 --> 00:02:18,784 Speaker 1: Hollywood history. No, no, no, it's all the famous names who 47 00:02:18,824 --> 00:02:22,104 Speaker 1: are taken down. I'm talking big celebrities. Oscar wit Is, 48 00:02:22,744 --> 00:02:27,304 Speaker 1: multi billion dollar franchise, stars all taken down with these emails. 49 00:02:27,344 --> 00:02:29,424 Speaker 1: And it's linked to this new TV show that's coming out, 50 00:02:29,464 --> 00:02:31,904 Speaker 1: So we're going to get into that. Honestly, guys, sit 51 00:02:31,984 --> 00:02:34,024 Speaker 1: down somewhere. This is not a podcast to be listening 52 00:02:34,064 --> 00:02:38,104 Speaker 1: to while you're like cooking, cleaning and walking. Much. Yes, 53 00:02:38,544 --> 00:02:41,544 Speaker 1: so this is history, and this has been called selling 54 00:02:41,584 --> 00:02:43,664 Speaker 1: it saying it's history. No, no, no, this has been called 55 00:02:43,664 --> 00:02:45,744 Speaker 1: the moment that changed Hollywood forever, and it's true. It's 56 00:02:45,744 --> 00:02:48,224 Speaker 1: one hundred true. No, stay tuned for that. But anyway, 57 00:02:48,224 --> 00:02:48,784 Speaker 1: you've got something. 58 00:02:49,504 --> 00:02:53,504 Speaker 3: Something that is absolutely not going to change anyone. Sidney 59 00:02:53,504 --> 00:02:56,744 Speaker 3: Sweeney has been spotted on an outing with her ex 60 00:02:57,104 --> 00:03:00,944 Speaker 3: Jonathan Devino after calling off their engagement, except we don't 61 00:03:00,984 --> 00:03:03,464 Speaker 3: actually know if either of them called off the engagement. 62 00:03:03,584 --> 00:03:06,664 Speaker 3: That is pure speculation, as the couple are yet to 63 00:03:06,704 --> 00:03:10,184 Speaker 3: release a statement addressing any breakup reports and have been 64 00:03:10,384 --> 00:03:13,544 Speaker 3: what are doing pretty much a regular activity with their dog. 65 00:03:14,024 --> 00:03:16,424 Speaker 3: But alas it's still the media saying that it's a 66 00:03:16,584 --> 00:03:19,464 Speaker 3: strange social media behavior is more believable than the actual 67 00:03:19,544 --> 00:03:21,984 Speaker 3: date that they were on. Strange being that she has 68 00:03:22,024 --> 00:03:25,184 Speaker 3: been spotted without her engagement ring. Now I did look 69 00:03:25,224 --> 00:03:26,944 Speaker 3: into it, though, and it looks like she's never been 70 00:03:26,984 --> 00:03:30,464 Speaker 3: an avid engagement ring wearer, and as someone who doesn't 71 00:03:30,464 --> 00:03:32,304 Speaker 3: even know where their engagement ring is. 72 00:03:32,424 --> 00:03:34,344 Speaker 2: Have you ever seen me with my engagement. 73 00:03:33,944 --> 00:03:35,664 Speaker 1: I really not know where that is, but you know, 74 00:03:35,744 --> 00:03:37,144 Speaker 1: it's like it's in a drawer at home. 75 00:03:37,264 --> 00:03:40,584 Speaker 2: It's in my cupboard somewhere, Jesus at home. But do 76 00:03:40,624 --> 00:03:41,504 Speaker 2: I ever wear it? 77 00:03:41,944 --> 00:03:43,624 Speaker 1: Can you please just check that when you go over. 78 00:03:43,904 --> 00:03:46,384 Speaker 3: I know where it is later, But you know what, 79 00:03:46,424 --> 00:03:48,784 Speaker 3: maybe she also is like I don't like the feeling 80 00:03:48,824 --> 00:03:49,584 Speaker 3: of jewels on me. 81 00:03:49,704 --> 00:03:50,944 Speaker 2: I don't like feeling trapped. 82 00:03:51,144 --> 00:03:53,264 Speaker 1: No, but it's more than that, because again they were 83 00:03:53,304 --> 00:03:55,904 Speaker 1: so lovey dovey for so long, kind of behind they 84 00:03:55,944 --> 00:03:58,904 Speaker 1: were very private, Laura. Well, in some cases, pat photos 85 00:03:58,904 --> 00:04:01,424 Speaker 1: tell a different story. I've seen them walking on event together, 86 00:04:01,464 --> 00:04:03,424 Speaker 1: hugging arm and arm before they got into a private jet, 87 00:04:03,424 --> 00:04:04,744 Speaker 1: which I did not see. I just heard about it 88 00:04:04,784 --> 00:04:08,824 Speaker 1: later on. And so you know, they were very Why 89 00:04:08,824 --> 00:04:13,104 Speaker 1: were you not scoing behind them? I know that's where 90 00:04:13,144 --> 00:04:14,624 Speaker 1: I did see them. I was scurrying behind them on 91 00:04:14,664 --> 00:04:17,304 Speaker 1: the Red carpet. She was never filling her Instagram page 92 00:04:17,304 --> 00:04:19,104 Speaker 1: with heaps of lovey dove photos of them, but there's 93 00:04:19,104 --> 00:04:21,544 Speaker 1: one of them kissing at premieres, and there's always them 94 00:04:21,584 --> 00:04:24,064 Speaker 1: walking out of Airport's Holy Hands together. It's because she 95 00:04:24,104 --> 00:04:26,144 Speaker 1: went and deleted some of the photos, like one of 96 00:04:26,184 --> 00:04:29,024 Speaker 1: them kissing. And then this big story came out that 97 00:04:29,024 --> 00:04:31,744 Speaker 1: their engagement had been called off and she's been doing 98 00:04:31,824 --> 00:04:33,784 Speaker 1: a bit of press for the Housemaids, so she's been 99 00:04:33,784 --> 00:04:36,104 Speaker 1: on red carpets and things. No one's asked her about 100 00:04:36,104 --> 00:04:38,304 Speaker 1: it because there must be a big block on personal questions. 101 00:04:38,344 --> 00:04:41,144 Speaker 1: But if she wanted to, like she's very private, quite 102 00:04:41,184 --> 00:04:43,704 Speaker 1: the rumors she could have. But then Paul Glen Powell 103 00:04:44,064 --> 00:04:46,904 Speaker 1: gets ragged in yes, because obviously everyone wanted them to 104 00:04:46,944 --> 00:04:47,424 Speaker 1: be together. 105 00:04:47,944 --> 00:04:52,744 Speaker 3: It's very Lady Gaga and what's his name. Yeah, it's 106 00:04:52,864 --> 00:04:53,664 Speaker 3: very circle of them. 107 00:04:53,904 --> 00:04:55,624 Speaker 1: Yes, which they I mean they one hundred percent have 108 00:04:55,704 --> 00:04:58,344 Speaker 1: both come out and said Sydney Sweeney and Glenn Powell 109 00:04:58,424 --> 00:05:01,544 Speaker 1: they walk straight, which of course they did. Everyone No 110 00:05:01,624 --> 00:05:03,904 Speaker 1: one actually thought they were together for anyone but you. 111 00:05:04,384 --> 00:05:07,464 Speaker 1: But then she was spotted at his sister's wedding. 112 00:05:07,184 --> 00:05:09,384 Speaker 3: Because they probably became really good friends. Yeah, she worked 113 00:05:09,384 --> 00:05:11,424 Speaker 3: on the movie again in Australia together. 114 00:05:11,584 --> 00:05:12,464 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like you know, it. 115 00:05:12,424 --> 00:05:14,184 Speaker 1: Felt really bad because we covered it the other day 116 00:05:14,224 --> 00:05:15,864 Speaker 1: on the Spell and when it all came out, I 117 00:05:15,904 --> 00:05:17,864 Speaker 1: had to break everyone's hearts and be like no, no, 118 00:05:17,944 --> 00:05:19,504 Speaker 1: she was just there as a friend of his sister 119 00:05:19,544 --> 00:05:21,104 Speaker 1: and they were there with a group of people. But 120 00:05:21,184 --> 00:05:23,184 Speaker 1: then Glenn Power was doing some press and he was 121 00:05:23,224 --> 00:05:25,784 Speaker 1: asked about it, and the poor sweet boy tried to 122 00:05:25,864 --> 00:05:27,744 Speaker 1: like downplay the rumors, but he said the wrong thing. 123 00:05:28,384 --> 00:05:30,064 Speaker 1: So they said to him, oh, tell us that the 124 00:05:30,064 --> 00:05:32,424 Speaker 1: wedding Rarah and Sidney Sweeney, and he's, oh, timing is 125 00:05:32,424 --> 00:05:34,824 Speaker 1: a funny thing. And if you listen to the full interview, 126 00:05:34,824 --> 00:05:36,584 Speaker 1: what he meant was that timing is a funny thing. 127 00:05:36,664 --> 00:05:39,144 Speaker 1: Is like the timing of his sister's wedding with the 128 00:05:39,224 --> 00:05:42,464 Speaker 1: moment these rumors started about her engagement being together was 129 00:05:42,584 --> 00:05:45,984 Speaker 1: very unfortunate. But what was reprinted and everyone said is 130 00:05:45,984 --> 00:05:48,944 Speaker 1: a picture of him in Sydney together. Glenn Powell speaks 131 00:05:48,944 --> 00:05:52,104 Speaker 1: with his relationship with Sydney Sweeney. Time timing is everything. 132 00:05:52,424 --> 00:05:54,384 Speaker 1: So what he was saying was we just needed to 133 00:05:54,424 --> 00:05:56,624 Speaker 1: wait till the right time so we could be together. 134 00:05:56,904 --> 00:05:58,824 Speaker 1: So there are so many people out there walking this 135 00:05:58,904 --> 00:06:01,024 Speaker 1: earth right now thinking those two it together and they're on. 136 00:06:01,224 --> 00:06:02,344 Speaker 2: And they are definitely not. 137 00:06:02,424 --> 00:06:05,264 Speaker 3: In fact, she potentially is still with Jonathan or they 138 00:06:05,264 --> 00:06:06,144 Speaker 3: are still. 139 00:06:05,864 --> 00:06:08,224 Speaker 1: Pretty They were all a very public place, that's the thing. 140 00:06:08,224 --> 00:06:09,944 Speaker 1: Like they went to a place where perhaps were We've 141 00:06:09,944 --> 00:06:10,864 Speaker 1: spoken of about this before. 142 00:06:10,904 --> 00:06:12,904 Speaker 3: If you want to be private and actually be private 143 00:06:12,944 --> 00:06:14,464 Speaker 3: or not have paparazzi photos, you. 144 00:06:14,384 --> 00:06:17,864 Speaker 1: Can be private. Oh absolutely, So they chose, they chose, 145 00:06:17,944 --> 00:06:20,144 Speaker 1: or they decided they didn't care. But either way, it's 146 00:06:20,264 --> 00:06:21,824 Speaker 1: like a bit of a statement to be seen out 147 00:06:21,824 --> 00:06:24,704 Speaker 1: and about. So either they've broken up and they're just 148 00:06:24,744 --> 00:06:26,704 Speaker 1: being very amicable. They had their dog with them that 149 00:06:26,744 --> 00:06:28,704 Speaker 1: they share and they were just having like a catch 150 00:06:28,784 --> 00:06:31,544 Speaker 1: up one. Maybe they're working out who gets the house or. 151 00:06:31,464 --> 00:06:33,344 Speaker 2: You can have this big house and I'm going to 152 00:06:33,384 --> 00:06:34,344 Speaker 2: get this one, and she's. 153 00:06:34,224 --> 00:06:35,984 Speaker 1: Like, yeah, she bought a house on an island or 154 00:06:35,984 --> 00:06:38,224 Speaker 1: something crazy like that, so she's probably working out who 155 00:06:38,224 --> 00:06:40,904 Speaker 1: gets the island. Maybe they just postponed the wedding because 156 00:06:40,944 --> 00:06:44,304 Speaker 1: they're working and they're just watching work this stuff, and 157 00:06:44,304 --> 00:06:46,984 Speaker 1: they're just watching all the tabloid headlines and she's just 158 00:06:46,984 --> 00:06:48,904 Speaker 1: thinking like, oh, my ex premier able to walk the 159 00:06:48,904 --> 00:06:51,344 Speaker 1: carpet together and it'll silence every or they won't. Just 160 00:06:51,344 --> 00:06:52,544 Speaker 1: to keep the people talking. 161 00:06:52,984 --> 00:06:57,944 Speaker 3: More speculation equals more eyes on the film. 162 00:06:58,024 --> 00:07:00,824 Speaker 2: All right, Laura, Okay, let's get into the deep drive 163 00:07:01,024 --> 00:07:01,584 Speaker 2: of the day. 164 00:07:02,144 --> 00:07:04,744 Speaker 1: Yes, So we spoke recently about. 165 00:07:04,544 --> 00:07:07,184 Speaker 2: The stocks and leaks. 166 00:07:06,664 --> 00:07:10,024 Speaker 1: And Okay, you're really under selling this and you're going 167 00:07:10,104 --> 00:07:11,744 Speaker 1: to feel silly at the end because it's actually really 168 00:07:11,744 --> 00:07:12,344 Speaker 1: interesting story. 169 00:07:13,224 --> 00:07:15,184 Speaker 3: I know it is. I just I was finding hard 170 00:07:15,224 --> 00:07:17,664 Speaker 3: to like, what did the interview have to do with 171 00:07:17,704 --> 00:07:18,784 Speaker 3: this The Studio show? 172 00:07:18,824 --> 00:07:20,424 Speaker 2: And anyway, tell me everything. 173 00:07:20,504 --> 00:07:23,424 Speaker 1: Okay, So recently we spoke about a new TV show 174 00:07:23,464 --> 00:07:25,584 Speaker 1: that has just come out on Apple TV Plus called 175 00:07:25,584 --> 00:07:28,424 Speaker 1: The Studio and it's by Seth Rogen and it's meant 176 00:07:28,424 --> 00:07:32,544 Speaker 1: to be this kind of satire comedy taking aim at Hollywood. 177 00:07:32,584 --> 00:07:35,184 Speaker 1: And how have you seen? Yeah, it's great. You watched it? No, 178 00:07:35,264 --> 00:07:36,864 Speaker 1: I haven't watched it. I hadn't heard about it. Yeah, 179 00:07:36,864 --> 00:07:38,384 Speaker 1: oh you need to watch it. You would really like. 180 00:07:38,544 --> 00:07:41,304 Speaker 3: Well, I love Seth and anything he puts his hands to. Wow, 181 00:07:41,344 --> 00:07:43,104 Speaker 3: that sounds weird when I was looking at it. It's 182 00:07:43,104 --> 00:07:46,264 Speaker 3: got ninety five percent Broughten. To my it's incredible, and 183 00:07:46,344 --> 00:07:48,784 Speaker 3: generally his things don't get yeah because they're humorous. 184 00:07:48,824 --> 00:07:50,504 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it's a really over the top comedy and 185 00:07:50,544 --> 00:07:52,464 Speaker 1: it's got this great but Catherine Hahn's in it and 186 00:07:52,464 --> 00:07:54,784 Speaker 1: all this kind of stuff. Martin Scores plays himself. It's 187 00:07:54,824 --> 00:07:55,224 Speaker 1: just great. 188 00:07:55,584 --> 00:07:58,064 Speaker 2: But also Brian Cranston's in it. Brilliant. 189 00:07:58,144 --> 00:08:00,144 Speaker 1: No, it's just like all the A listers coming through, 190 00:08:00,184 --> 00:08:03,944 Speaker 1: often playing like wild versions of themselves, like stereotize themselves. 191 00:08:03,944 --> 00:08:06,104 Speaker 1: So it's really interesting, and it's meant to be kind 192 00:08:06,104 --> 00:08:08,904 Speaker 1: of like this parody of Hollywood, but also really like 193 00:08:09,144 --> 00:08:11,824 Speaker 1: taking a look behind like how studios work and how 194 00:08:11,864 --> 00:08:14,584 Speaker 1: movies are made, and also kind of help's fallen apart 195 00:08:14,624 --> 00:08:17,584 Speaker 1: behind the scenes. And one big part of seth Rogen's 196 00:08:17,624 --> 00:08:19,984 Speaker 1: real life that he used in the creation of this 197 00:08:20,104 --> 00:08:23,704 Speaker 1: show is the twenty fourteen Sony email hack, of which 198 00:08:23,744 --> 00:08:26,384 Speaker 1: he was a very big part of. And I'd never 199 00:08:26,424 --> 00:08:29,744 Speaker 1: heard about this, so the Sony Hack. So twenty fourteen, 200 00:08:29,864 --> 00:08:31,584 Speaker 1: What a year this was. I wasn't even working in 201 00:08:31,664 --> 00:08:34,704 Speaker 1: entertainment journalism. I wasn't working like lifestyle or anything. But 202 00:08:34,904 --> 00:08:36,584 Speaker 1: I was like very consumed by this because I just 203 00:08:36,864 --> 00:08:37,224 Speaker 1: of such. 204 00:08:38,024 --> 00:08:39,184 Speaker 2: Points is probably went born. 205 00:08:39,504 --> 00:08:43,064 Speaker 1: Yeah percent, Well that's really well. So basically, there was 206 00:08:43,144 --> 00:08:46,344 Speaker 1: a massive, massive security breach for Sony, which is one 207 00:08:46,384 --> 00:08:49,304 Speaker 1: of the biggest movie studios in the world, and all 208 00:08:49,344 --> 00:08:51,424 Speaker 1: of this starter was released, and some of it was really, 209 00:08:51,464 --> 00:08:53,904 Speaker 1: you know, terrible, because it was like social security numbers 210 00:08:53,904 --> 00:08:55,744 Speaker 1: and home addresses of people worked here, and some of 211 00:08:55,784 --> 00:08:57,824 Speaker 1: these people could have been like the office assistant and 212 00:08:57,824 --> 00:08:59,664 Speaker 1: their home address was leak, so that was really terrible. 213 00:08:59,664 --> 00:09:02,224 Speaker 1: There were threats against the Sony staff. So there's all 214 00:09:02,264 --> 00:09:04,424 Speaker 1: that serious side of it. But the part that really 215 00:09:04,464 --> 00:09:06,704 Speaker 1: took the media by storm and also just the world 216 00:09:06,744 --> 00:09:09,664 Speaker 1: by storm was the fact that all of these high 217 00:09:09,704 --> 00:09:13,584 Speaker 1: profiles secret email exchanges between the heads of Sony and 218 00:09:13,624 --> 00:09:16,344 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of a list celebrities, we're just all 219 00:09:16,424 --> 00:09:18,224 Speaker 1: leaked to the world. So I want to take you 220 00:09:18,264 --> 00:09:20,344 Speaker 1: back to the day this happened. I wasn't there, but 221 00:09:20,344 --> 00:09:23,424 Speaker 1: I've read extensive oral histories of it. So the day 222 00:09:23,504 --> 00:09:27,984 Speaker 1: is Monday, November twenty four, twenty fourteen. Everyone's at the 223 00:09:28,024 --> 00:09:31,064 Speaker 1: Sony Pitches head office in LA. They're getting their morning coffee. 224 00:09:31,064 --> 00:09:34,264 Speaker 1: They're having a little graceless yeah exactly, getting ready for 225 00:09:34,304 --> 00:09:36,464 Speaker 1: their morning meetings, going to the water cooler, all those 226 00:09:36,504 --> 00:09:38,944 Speaker 1: sorts of things, and then the first sign that something 227 00:09:39,024 --> 00:09:42,024 Speaker 1: is wrong starts because all of a sudden, up on 228 00:09:42,144 --> 00:09:46,864 Speaker 1: everyone's screen comes a big like stylized skull, like long 229 00:09:47,024 --> 00:09:51,504 Speaker 1: skeleton fingers flashes up on every single person's computer, and 230 00:09:51,744 --> 00:09:55,184 Speaker 1: underneath a message starts like moving across the Oh my god, 231 00:09:55,224 --> 00:09:57,224 Speaker 1: like a hacker movie. Yeah, one hundred percent, like a 232 00:09:57,264 --> 00:09:59,024 Speaker 1: hacker movie. This is why, like, yes see, you're in 233 00:09:59,464 --> 00:10:02,664 Speaker 1: and said, this is just the beginning. Then the hackers 234 00:10:02,704 --> 00:10:04,424 Speaker 1: wanted to say, and all these messages are coming through 235 00:10:04,424 --> 00:10:07,664 Speaker 1: to all the stuff we've obtained, all your internal data, 236 00:10:07,704 --> 00:10:10,224 Speaker 1: and they said, sony, if you don't debate our demands, 237 00:10:10,344 --> 00:10:14,464 Speaker 1: we will start releasing the company's top secrets. After that, 238 00:10:14,704 --> 00:10:17,344 Speaker 1: suns were turned off, email shutdown, some people were paralyzed. 239 00:10:17,384 --> 00:10:19,184 Speaker 1: Some people were like toning their computers off for the wall, 240 00:10:19,224 --> 00:10:21,024 Speaker 1: like they're probably throwing them out a window. But it 241 00:10:21,104 --> 00:10:23,824 Speaker 1: was too late. All the data was taken, so that 242 00:10:23,864 --> 00:10:26,144 Speaker 1: first week they did a big dump of data, and 243 00:10:26,224 --> 00:10:28,264 Speaker 1: in the weeks that followed, every time you thought that 244 00:10:28,464 --> 00:10:30,384 Speaker 1: it had settled down and they've got a hold of it, 245 00:10:30,424 --> 00:10:33,584 Speaker 1: a new batch of information be released each worse than 246 00:10:33,584 --> 00:10:34,264 Speaker 1: the day before. 247 00:10:34,464 --> 00:10:36,944 Speaker 2: So Sony, we're not listening to the ransom demands. 248 00:10:37,224 --> 00:10:39,024 Speaker 1: No, Well, apparently there was like a lot of back 249 00:10:39,064 --> 00:10:41,104 Speaker 1: and forth. There was like we're not negotiating them with them' 250 00:10:41,184 --> 00:10:43,064 Speaker 1: not doing this and that. And then also their idea 251 00:10:43,104 --> 00:10:44,744 Speaker 1: was like we're going to put the data out anyway. 252 00:10:45,144 --> 00:10:46,824 Speaker 1: And a lot of this was linked to well pretty 253 00:10:46,864 --> 00:10:48,144 Speaker 1: much all of that. Actually, it was linked to the 254 00:10:48,184 --> 00:10:51,864 Speaker 1: release of a movie that Seth rogen had written directed 255 00:10:51,984 --> 00:10:54,784 Speaker 1: Start in Everything with James Franco, who was his longtime 256 00:10:54,824 --> 00:10:57,384 Speaker 1: creative partner at the time, and they were about to 257 00:10:57,424 --> 00:11:00,944 Speaker 1: release a movie with Sony called The Interview. And in 258 00:11:00,984 --> 00:11:03,664 Speaker 1: this movie, which was this R rated kind of buddy comedy, 259 00:11:03,704 --> 00:11:05,304 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen it. It's fine. It 260 00:11:05,304 --> 00:11:07,304 Speaker 1: probably wasn't worth shutting half the world down for it. 261 00:11:07,384 --> 00:11:09,184 Speaker 2: I haven't seen it, which surprised me. 262 00:11:09,504 --> 00:11:12,384 Speaker 3: But then I read about it and that Sony, as 263 00:11:12,424 --> 00:11:15,424 Speaker 3: you'll get into, they effectively like just launched They didn't 264 00:11:15,464 --> 00:11:17,704 Speaker 3: launch it properly the way they usually would with a movie, 265 00:11:17,744 --> 00:11:19,184 Speaker 3: but it really surprised me. I was like, how have 266 00:11:19,224 --> 00:11:21,584 Speaker 3: I not heard about this? I've seen all Seth Rogan's movies. 267 00:11:21,784 --> 00:11:24,904 Speaker 1: Yes, So in this James and Seth play these two 268 00:11:25,064 --> 00:11:27,784 Speaker 1: bumbling idiots who then get involved in this plot to 269 00:11:27,864 --> 00:11:32,344 Speaker 1: assassinate King jumping from North Korea. And it was meant 270 00:11:32,384 --> 00:11:35,704 Speaker 1: to be like a crazy satire kind of comedy. 271 00:11:35,344 --> 00:11:37,864 Speaker 3: Which you think Kim Jong ung would have a bit 272 00:11:37,904 --> 00:11:38,944 Speaker 3: of a sense of humor about. 273 00:11:39,304 --> 00:11:41,984 Speaker 1: Well, no he did not, because North Korea called the 274 00:11:42,024 --> 00:11:45,544 Speaker 1: movie an evil act of provocation. So even though it 275 00:11:45,624 --> 00:11:48,584 Speaker 1: came out that it was like this Freedom Fighter service 276 00:11:48,624 --> 00:11:50,664 Speaker 1: that was doing all of the hacking, everything in North 277 00:11:50,704 --> 00:11:52,704 Speaker 1: Korea was like, it's nothing to do with us. There's 278 00:11:52,744 --> 00:11:54,144 Speaker 1: a lot of back and forth. He I'm just kind 279 00:11:54,184 --> 00:11:56,384 Speaker 1: of surmising it down to the very you know, I'm 280 00:11:56,384 --> 00:11:57,984 Speaker 1: sure people don't care about the ins and outs of 281 00:11:57,984 --> 00:12:00,984 Speaker 1: the bargaining between Sony and this Freedom Fighter company. North 282 00:12:01,064 --> 00:12:03,344 Speaker 1: Korea always said that they weren't involved, and it came 283 00:12:03,384 --> 00:12:04,664 Speaker 1: out later that I don't want to take it now 284 00:12:04,704 --> 00:12:06,344 Speaker 1: in North Korea. But it came out later that some 285 00:12:06,384 --> 00:12:09,784 Speaker 1: other stuff had happened. They were threatening to shut down 286 00:12:09,784 --> 00:12:11,744 Speaker 1: movie theater. Is the movie was pulled from cinemas, it 287 00:12:11,824 --> 00:12:14,304 Speaker 1: was put back in. They were threatening people's homes. Seth 288 00:12:14,384 --> 00:12:17,064 Speaker 1: and James Frankcroe both had full time security on them. 289 00:12:17,184 --> 00:12:19,584 Speaker 1: It was this whole huge thing, and basically everyone was like, 290 00:12:19,704 --> 00:12:21,984 Speaker 1: just shut this movie down. It's not worth it. And 291 00:12:22,024 --> 00:12:23,904 Speaker 1: then there's other people people like Freedom of the Arts, 292 00:12:23,944 --> 00:12:25,544 Speaker 1: we should get to show the movie, all this sort 293 00:12:25,544 --> 00:12:27,744 Speaker 1: of stuff. It's interesting hearing seth Rogen talk about it 294 00:12:27,744 --> 00:12:30,144 Speaker 1: now because he doesn't really feel like the situation was 295 00:12:30,184 --> 00:12:32,984 Speaker 1: handled very well. And even though they were given security, 296 00:12:33,024 --> 00:12:34,984 Speaker 1: he's like, the security followed me everywhere. And he's like, 297 00:12:34,984 --> 00:12:36,224 Speaker 1: one day I just looked out of my home and 298 00:12:36,224 --> 00:12:37,784 Speaker 1: they were all gone, and he's like, what do I 299 00:12:37,824 --> 00:12:41,144 Speaker 1: do now? But obviously they're both okay. So what happened 300 00:12:41,344 --> 00:12:44,544 Speaker 1: was the emails were leaked in a whole bunch of stages. 301 00:12:46,424 --> 00:12:48,624 Speaker 1: So North Korea always denied involvement in the hack, but 302 00:12:48,664 --> 00:12:50,464 Speaker 1: they did say it was a righteous deed, so they 303 00:12:50,504 --> 00:12:52,104 Speaker 1: were very much they were very much on the team 304 00:12:52,104 --> 00:12:55,144 Speaker 1: hacker side. So the first wave of information that was 305 00:12:55,224 --> 00:12:57,584 Speaker 1: leaked was kind of low stakes, not for Sony but 306 00:12:57,664 --> 00:12:59,824 Speaker 1: for other people. So they started leaking a lot of 307 00:12:59,864 --> 00:13:02,824 Speaker 1: big movies that weren't set to be put into theaters 308 00:13:02,904 --> 00:13:05,504 Speaker 1: for a long time, so like Annie Steele Alice, which 309 00:13:05,504 --> 00:13:07,744 Speaker 1: was their big Oscar movie for the year, they leaked those. 310 00:13:07,824 --> 00:13:09,704 Speaker 2: Oh like cuts on the the full movie. 311 00:13:09,784 --> 00:13:11,904 Speaker 1: Yes, they put the full movie out, which again obviously 312 00:13:11,984 --> 00:13:14,864 Speaker 1: damage box office and everything, but like, that's obviously bad. 313 00:13:14,904 --> 00:13:17,424 Speaker 1: I could have lived with that. But things escalated. Along 314 00:13:17,424 --> 00:13:20,224 Speaker 1: with leaking the social Security numbers of the staff, they 315 00:13:20,264 --> 00:13:23,784 Speaker 1: started leaking like different celebrity social Security numbers. So Sylvester 316 00:13:23,864 --> 00:13:26,944 Speaker 1: Stone and John Apatow were both had all of their 317 00:13:26,984 --> 00:13:30,464 Speaker 1: private information leaked. And then can I just ask I 318 00:13:30,504 --> 00:13:31,344 Speaker 1: love it? You raised your hand. 319 00:13:31,424 --> 00:13:33,904 Speaker 3: Yes, well, potentially stupid question, but someone else playing long 320 00:13:33,904 --> 00:13:35,024 Speaker 3: at home might have it as well. 321 00:13:35,424 --> 00:13:38,104 Speaker 2: Why is your Social Security number? Like is it not 322 00:13:38,224 --> 00:13:40,184 Speaker 2: just like a tax file number? Does it really matter 323 00:13:40,184 --> 00:13:41,464 Speaker 2: if someone it's your number. 324 00:13:41,224 --> 00:13:43,704 Speaker 1: For kind of everything, Like it's your number for you know, 325 00:13:43,744 --> 00:13:46,024 Speaker 1: how you live your life, it's for tax but it's 326 00:13:46,024 --> 00:13:47,144 Speaker 1: also your identifyer. 327 00:13:47,464 --> 00:13:49,904 Speaker 3: But surely things like you know, like a lot of 328 00:13:49,904 --> 00:13:51,544 Speaker 3: people would know my passport number. 329 00:13:51,904 --> 00:13:53,504 Speaker 1: Well, it would help someone who is trying to steal 330 00:13:53,504 --> 00:13:55,504 Speaker 1: your identity and get into everything, Like it's meant to 331 00:13:55,544 --> 00:13:59,104 Speaker 1: be very private, Like you don't social Security someone you're 332 00:13:59,184 --> 00:14:02,504 Speaker 1: like Kelly. Also, your post number is not numbers anyone 333 00:14:02,584 --> 00:14:05,464 Speaker 1: either Okay, okay, no numbers out in the world. Number 334 00:14:05,544 --> 00:14:08,504 Speaker 1: just stop giving people your numbers. Yeah, please don't. No 335 00:14:08,504 --> 00:14:10,184 Speaker 1: one asked Kelly for a text one number, because she'll 336 00:14:10,184 --> 00:14:13,384 Speaker 1: tell you. Then they started leaking the secret identities of 337 00:14:13,424 --> 00:14:17,064 Speaker 1: celebrities that they travel with. So when celebrities travel, they 338 00:14:17,384 --> 00:14:23,224 Speaker 1: don't obviously check into hotels, flights, car services, restaurants, anything 339 00:14:23,264 --> 00:14:25,704 Speaker 1: under their own name because it'll give away celebrities. Back 340 00:14:25,704 --> 00:14:27,264 Speaker 1: to that thing of like, if you want to be private, 341 00:14:27,304 --> 00:14:29,464 Speaker 1: you can be really private. And so a lot of 342 00:14:29,504 --> 00:14:32,144 Speaker 1: celebrities use the same name every time they're on a 343 00:14:32,144 --> 00:14:35,184 Speaker 1: press tool or even traveling personally, and only they're in 344 00:14:35,224 --> 00:14:37,944 Speaker 1: a circle and the studio who's looking after them have 345 00:14:38,064 --> 00:14:40,224 Speaker 1: that access. So you can call through their hotel, you 346 00:14:40,304 --> 00:14:42,784 Speaker 1: use the code name, you can always get ahold of them. 347 00:14:43,064 --> 00:14:45,104 Speaker 1: So the names of a whole bunch of celebrities, the 348 00:14:45,144 --> 00:14:48,184 Speaker 1: aliases they were using at the time, were leaked. This 349 00:14:48,304 --> 00:14:50,344 Speaker 1: is not as high stakes, which is more interesting for 350 00:14:50,384 --> 00:14:53,384 Speaker 1: the people. So Tom Hanks's name was Johnny Madrid, Tomy 351 00:14:53,424 --> 00:14:56,784 Speaker 1: maguire was Neil Deep, Jessica Alba was Cash Money because 352 00:14:56,784 --> 00:14:59,464 Speaker 1: I guess her husband's name is Cash Warren. Natalie Portman 353 00:14:59,544 --> 00:15:02,024 Speaker 1: was Lauren Brown, which I guess is exactly the kind 354 00:15:02,024 --> 00:15:04,904 Speaker 1: of alias you go with something very you know, boring. Yeah, 355 00:15:04,904 --> 00:15:08,544 Speaker 1: and then Rob Scheider, oh yeah, well Laura botning things. 356 00:15:08,584 --> 00:15:10,944 Speaker 1: That's fine. So that was all leaked and then every 357 00:15:10,944 --> 00:15:13,144 Speaker 1: week thing started getting more intense. So then all these 358 00:15:13,144 --> 00:15:16,344 Speaker 1: emails came out that the very top executive of Sony. 359 00:15:16,624 --> 00:15:19,624 Speaker 1: This one hurts me deep. The top executives of Sony 360 00:15:19,624 --> 00:15:23,224 Speaker 1: were sending emails making fun of Adam Sandler. I know, 361 00:15:23,624 --> 00:15:25,584 Speaker 1: can you even imagine. 362 00:15:25,224 --> 00:15:27,744 Speaker 3: They're just jealous that they're not part of Happy Madison 363 00:15:27,864 --> 00:15:28,424 Speaker 3: Studio on? 364 00:15:29,424 --> 00:15:32,984 Speaker 1: So how very dare they? These are the top executives. 365 00:15:33,224 --> 00:15:35,944 Speaker 1: They were sending emails back and forth like bitching about 366 00:15:35,944 --> 00:15:38,624 Speaker 1: Adam Sandler. And again these were like a private email 367 00:15:38,624 --> 00:15:40,184 Speaker 1: that was then blasted across the world. 368 00:15:40,584 --> 00:15:42,464 Speaker 3: You know what, I am not important and I still 369 00:15:42,504 --> 00:15:45,584 Speaker 3: don't have time to send emails bitching about people. The 370 00:15:45,584 --> 00:15:49,544 Speaker 3: fact that these top level execs guys. 371 00:15:49,224 --> 00:15:51,184 Speaker 1: Yeah, well I mean obviously, but also this is their job, 372 00:15:51,224 --> 00:15:53,384 Speaker 1: like they were complaining about to bitch about someone. Well, 373 00:15:53,384 --> 00:15:55,624 Speaker 1: they said that there is a general blindness to the 374 00:15:55,624 --> 00:15:57,544 Speaker 1: movies we're being forced to put out. And then they 375 00:15:57,584 --> 00:15:59,744 Speaker 1: said we have a few good hits, we have Social Network, 376 00:15:59,744 --> 00:16:02,144 Speaker 1: we have Moneyball Girl with the dragon tattoo, but we 377 00:16:02,344 --> 00:16:06,584 Speaker 1: continue to be saddled with the mundane, formulatic Adam Sandler movies. 378 00:16:06,824 --> 00:16:09,944 Speaker 1: And why are we still paying for these Adam Sandler movies? Why? 379 00:16:10,584 --> 00:16:12,984 Speaker 1: So that went out, Adam Sandler was obviously doing okay, 380 00:16:12,984 --> 00:16:16,144 Speaker 1: so he wasn't upset about it. Then Steve Jobs movie 381 00:16:16,224 --> 00:16:18,624 Speaker 1: was the next one that caused a really big controversy 382 00:16:18,744 --> 00:16:20,504 Speaker 1: because there was a lot of back and forth over 383 00:16:20,584 --> 00:16:23,824 Speaker 1: who would play Steve Jobs, and Michael Fassbender is in 384 00:16:23,944 --> 00:16:27,664 Speaker 1: like critically acclaimed Michael Fassbender, the actor was put forth, 385 00:16:28,024 --> 00:16:31,184 Speaker 1: and then Aaron Sorkin, who is obviously the screenwriter and 386 00:16:31,184 --> 00:16:34,344 Speaker 1: like one of the greatest film TV makers of all time, said, 387 00:16:34,424 --> 00:16:36,584 Speaker 1: I don't know who Michael Fassbender is, and the rest 388 00:16:36,584 --> 00:16:38,784 Speaker 1: of the world isn't going to care. And then one 389 00:16:38,784 --> 00:16:40,704 Speaker 1: of the producers came back to Aaron Sorkin and said, 390 00:16:40,704 --> 00:16:42,624 Speaker 1: he just makes you feel like you have normal sized 391 00:16:42,664 --> 00:16:46,664 Speaker 1: genitalia talking about the fact that Michael Fassbender was nude 392 00:16:46,704 --> 00:16:48,664 Speaker 1: in that movie Shame, which is about a sex addict. 393 00:16:48,864 --> 00:16:50,384 Speaker 1: So that all kind of blew up. 394 00:16:50,384 --> 00:16:53,384 Speaker 2: Did Michael have a big piece in that film. 395 00:16:53,584 --> 00:16:58,184 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. That's your takeaway. You left her 396 00:16:58,184 --> 00:16:59,704 Speaker 1: wide opened. Well, I mean that was the topic of 397 00:16:59,744 --> 00:17:01,344 Speaker 1: their emails exactly as. 398 00:17:01,944 --> 00:17:03,544 Speaker 2: I wouldn't hide it behind it an email though, I 399 00:17:03,584 --> 00:17:04,464 Speaker 2: just say it's straight. 400 00:17:04,584 --> 00:17:07,064 Speaker 1: Exactly exactly. I love if your emails get leaked one 401 00:17:07,104 --> 00:17:08,704 Speaker 1: day and they're just everything you've ever said. 402 00:17:08,504 --> 00:17:12,144 Speaker 3: On the board, literally, it's just absolutely nothing private. 403 00:17:12,504 --> 00:17:14,544 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that's good to know you're safe from a hacker. Still, 404 00:17:14,544 --> 00:17:18,104 Speaker 1: don't give you numbers out to anyone. And then Angelina Jolie. 405 00:17:18,104 --> 00:17:19,944 Speaker 1: This is kind of probably one of the biggest celebrity 406 00:17:19,984 --> 00:17:23,784 Speaker 1: moments from the emails that were leaked. So Amy Pascal 407 00:17:23,864 --> 00:17:26,864 Speaker 1: at the time was the co chairman of Sony Pictures, 408 00:17:26,904 --> 00:17:29,704 Speaker 1: so she's like the top dog and she was really beloved. 409 00:17:29,704 --> 00:17:31,344 Speaker 1: She'd been in the industry for a long time. She'd 410 00:17:31,344 --> 00:17:33,704 Speaker 1: been Sony for a long time. She was the name 411 00:17:33,704 --> 00:17:36,304 Speaker 1: that everyone thanked in their acceptance speeches when they want award. 412 00:17:36,424 --> 00:17:38,504 Speaker 1: She was on every red carpet, she was profile. She 413 00:17:38,544 --> 00:17:41,504 Speaker 1: was like it and everyone's like, we love Amy. And 414 00:17:41,544 --> 00:17:44,544 Speaker 1: then all of these emails came out between her and 415 00:17:44,624 --> 00:17:47,144 Speaker 1: Scott Ruden, who was also a producer at Sony Pictures, 416 00:17:47,504 --> 00:17:49,504 Speaker 1: and one of the people who got the most of 417 00:17:49,504 --> 00:17:52,904 Speaker 1: their wrath was Angelina Jolly quite famously. 418 00:17:53,584 --> 00:17:55,704 Speaker 3: Listen, I've heard from a friend that worked on a 419 00:17:55,704 --> 00:17:57,104 Speaker 3: film with her that she's not great. 420 00:17:57,384 --> 00:18:01,024 Speaker 2: So well, yeah there she experience was that they were 421 00:18:01,064 --> 00:18:01,664 Speaker 2: just having. 422 00:18:01,424 --> 00:18:04,024 Speaker 1: A little complaint. Well again, if you read these emails, 423 00:18:04,024 --> 00:18:05,584 Speaker 1: which I did at the time, I know it was bad, 424 00:18:05,584 --> 00:18:06,784 Speaker 1: but they were already out in the world and I 425 00:18:06,864 --> 00:18:08,464 Speaker 1: just read them because they was so interested. I think 426 00:18:08,504 --> 00:18:10,704 Speaker 1: it's bad. I totally reread them, totally read them. I 427 00:18:10,744 --> 00:18:12,824 Speaker 1: read them all, even just the people who are bitching about, 428 00:18:12,864 --> 00:18:15,704 Speaker 1: like Linda from the copy room. 429 00:18:16,384 --> 00:18:19,824 Speaker 3: Anyone that is interested in that, like has to read 430 00:18:19,944 --> 00:18:24,264 Speaker 3: the book. I hope this finds you well, oh my goodness, 431 00:18:24,304 --> 00:18:28,824 Speaker 3: imagine you get access to everyone's emails, everyone slacks. Imagine 432 00:18:28,824 --> 00:18:30,744 Speaker 3: that that's what the book is. 433 00:18:31,304 --> 00:18:34,624 Speaker 1: It is so good. But I would read that about 434 00:18:34,624 --> 00:18:36,584 Speaker 1: any work. Yeah, it's just I would just I don't 435 00:18:36,624 --> 00:18:38,144 Speaker 1: have to know the people exactly. 436 00:18:38,224 --> 00:18:40,904 Speaker 3: That's why it's just so interesting. I loved it anyway. 437 00:18:41,144 --> 00:18:43,224 Speaker 3: That was a little sidebar. But no, no, no, I 438 00:18:43,224 --> 00:18:44,704 Speaker 3: love that. I mean, someone made that a movie. 439 00:18:44,784 --> 00:18:47,144 Speaker 1: Also, I know they've made the Studio, which is sort 440 00:18:47,144 --> 00:18:49,944 Speaker 1: of like loosely inspired by how people behaved around the 441 00:18:49,984 --> 00:18:52,424 Speaker 1: Sony Hack. But I still can't believe no one's like 442 00:18:52,504 --> 00:18:55,864 Speaker 1: done a proper Sony hack, like limited series or something 443 00:18:55,864 --> 00:18:56,104 Speaker 1: like that. 444 00:18:56,184 --> 00:18:58,344 Speaker 3: You know why, if you could inflate the story so 445 00:18:58,504 --> 00:19:00,944 Speaker 3: much and you could even have some actors or actresses 446 00:19:00,944 --> 00:19:03,264 Speaker 3: play themselves, that would be so funny. 447 00:19:03,464 --> 00:19:05,944 Speaker 1: No, they Hollywood takes themselves too seriously. It would have 448 00:19:05,984 --> 00:19:07,744 Speaker 1: a lot of the studio. But also I think they'd 449 00:19:07,744 --> 00:19:11,104 Speaker 1: be too worried about angering all these people who were 450 00:19:11,104 --> 00:19:13,384 Speaker 1: involved and had their emails leaked and all that sort of stuff. 451 00:19:13,464 --> 00:19:16,224 Speaker 1: So there was a big email exchange back and forth 452 00:19:16,224 --> 00:19:18,384 Speaker 1: which was leaked. This probably was a few weeks into 453 00:19:18,424 --> 00:19:20,704 Speaker 1: the league. It was just as everyone was like, Okay, 454 00:19:20,744 --> 00:19:23,184 Speaker 1: maybe things that they've they've done their worst. It's over. 455 00:19:23,384 --> 00:19:26,104 Speaker 1: Let's start putting Hollywood back together. And then these emails 456 00:19:26,104 --> 00:19:28,184 Speaker 1: came out and they were between Scott Rude and Amy 457 00:19:28,184 --> 00:19:30,704 Speaker 1: Pascal and they were just going to town and Angelina Jolie, 458 00:19:30,704 --> 00:19:32,944 Speaker 1: who they'd worked with quite a bit, and they started 459 00:19:32,944 --> 00:19:34,744 Speaker 1: off with bitching about her, which is pretty much any 460 00:19:34,744 --> 00:19:38,024 Speaker 1: way to describe it, because Angelina Jolie was trying to 461 00:19:38,024 --> 00:19:40,464 Speaker 1: get David Fincher, who's a very well known director, to 462 00:19:40,544 --> 00:19:43,624 Speaker 1: direct this big movie where she would star as Cleopatra, 463 00:19:44,024 --> 00:19:45,584 Speaker 1: and she was like getting the movie off the ground. 464 00:19:45,624 --> 00:19:47,704 Speaker 1: It was going to be this huge, big blockbuster and 465 00:19:47,744 --> 00:19:50,544 Speaker 1: like the movie that would make her career. And so 466 00:19:50,704 --> 00:19:53,584 Speaker 1: the Sony people, Scott and Amy, were just really angry 467 00:19:53,624 --> 00:19:55,104 Speaker 1: at her because they felt like she was going to 468 00:19:55,144 --> 00:19:57,944 Speaker 1: pull David Fincher away from the Steve Jobs movie, which 469 00:19:57,984 --> 00:19:59,944 Speaker 1: they thought was going to be their really big money maker. 470 00:20:00,424 --> 00:20:03,784 Speaker 1: And so in the emails that were leaked, Scott Ruden 471 00:20:03,824 --> 00:20:06,304 Speaker 1: said that he did not want Angela and Jolie anywhere 472 00:20:06,304 --> 00:20:08,504 Speaker 1: near their project, and she wasn't allowed to talk to 473 00:20:08,584 --> 00:20:12,984 Speaker 1: David Fincher because she is an minimally talented, spoiled brat 474 00:20:13,224 --> 00:20:15,704 Speaker 1: who is getting involved in the production of the Jobs 475 00:20:15,744 --> 00:20:17,344 Speaker 1: movie and they need to get her out of it. 476 00:20:17,584 --> 00:20:19,944 Speaker 3: Whoa You can say what you like about that woman, 477 00:20:20,024 --> 00:20:24,824 Speaker 3: but minimally talented a lie, and she is so talented. 478 00:20:24,984 --> 00:20:27,064 Speaker 1: And then he went on to call her a brat 479 00:20:27,104 --> 00:20:30,744 Speaker 1: again and said that Bratt thought nothing of shoving this 480 00:20:30,784 --> 00:20:33,304 Speaker 1: off her plate for eighteen months. So the Clear Patra 481 00:20:33,384 --> 00:20:36,544 Speaker 1: movie so she could go and direct another movie. She's 482 00:20:36,544 --> 00:20:38,744 Speaker 1: a camp event and a celebrity, and that's all and 483 00:20:38,784 --> 00:20:41,824 Speaker 1: the last thing anyone needs to stand a camp event, 484 00:20:41,944 --> 00:20:43,264 Speaker 1: as in, she's like a camp. I don't know what 485 00:20:43,544 --> 00:20:46,504 Speaker 1: it means. That's a low hanging Kelly. That is not 486 00:20:46,584 --> 00:20:48,904 Speaker 1: important to this. I mean, I would love to know 487 00:20:48,904 --> 00:20:50,344 Speaker 1: what he meant. She's like camp, but I thought it 488 00:20:50,344 --> 00:20:52,704 Speaker 1: was a good thing. Anyway. She's a celebrity, and the 489 00:20:52,824 --> 00:20:55,624 Speaker 1: last thing anyone needs is to make Cleopatra a giant 490 00:20:55,664 --> 00:20:58,864 Speaker 1: bomb with her that any fool could see coming. They 491 00:20:58,904 --> 00:21:00,504 Speaker 1: also said some not nice things about her hair and. 492 00:21:00,464 --> 00:21:03,344 Speaker 3: Face, which, you know, say what you like about her. 493 00:21:03,384 --> 00:21:06,624 Speaker 3: She wanted talent and her beauty. She wanted to shave 494 00:21:06,664 --> 00:21:07,984 Speaker 3: her head for the role. And she was like, oh, 495 00:21:08,024 --> 00:21:09,504 Speaker 3: just shave my hand. They're like, don't We're not even 496 00:21:09,544 --> 00:21:10,504 Speaker 3: making the movie. 497 00:21:10,664 --> 00:21:12,144 Speaker 1: It was a whole thing. So they went back and 498 00:21:12,184 --> 00:21:14,384 Speaker 1: forth on that. And here's why Angelina Jolly was a 499 00:21:14,424 --> 00:21:17,104 Speaker 1: bit of a class act because that went everywhere. Yeah, 500 00:21:17,104 --> 00:21:20,304 Speaker 1: these emails about Angelina Jolie, who at that time, especially 501 00:21:20,384 --> 00:21:23,264 Speaker 1: still married to Brad Pitt, still like the queen of Hollywood. 502 00:21:23,344 --> 00:21:24,784 Speaker 1: She's had a bit of a rough time like being 503 00:21:24,864 --> 00:21:27,384 Speaker 1: pushed aside a bit now, but at the time she 504 00:21:27,464 --> 00:21:29,624 Speaker 1: was like all powerful, and so the fact that these 505 00:21:29,744 --> 00:21:33,904 Speaker 1: top level studio executives had this huge email exchange haling 506 00:21:33,944 --> 00:21:37,224 Speaker 1: her difficult, telling she was talentless, saying she was causing trouble, 507 00:21:37,584 --> 00:21:39,704 Speaker 1: telling people to leave her out of meetings and emails 508 00:21:39,704 --> 00:21:41,424 Speaker 1: so she couldn't get the information she needed to make 509 00:21:41,464 --> 00:21:45,584 Speaker 1: her movie went everywhere. And then days after it came out, 510 00:21:45,624 --> 00:21:48,144 Speaker 1: Amy Pascal, who was sending the emails, and Angelina Jolly 511 00:21:48,224 --> 00:21:50,464 Speaker 1: were pitched at an event together and it looked like 512 00:21:50,544 --> 00:21:54,544 Speaker 1: Angelina Jolly was glaring at her across the room, which 513 00:21:54,824 --> 00:21:57,264 Speaker 1: would have been fair. But in an interviews in New 514 00:21:57,344 --> 00:22:00,304 Speaker 1: York Times a few weeks after that, Angelina Jolly was 515 00:22:00,344 --> 00:22:02,304 Speaker 1: talking about and they asked her and she said, Honestly, 516 00:22:02,384 --> 00:22:04,584 Speaker 1: my first instinct was that I was worried about Amy. 517 00:22:04,784 --> 00:22:06,824 Speaker 1: I had someone call her and ask if she was okay, 518 00:22:07,144 --> 00:22:08,664 Speaker 1: not because I'm a saint, but because I think we 519 00:22:08,744 --> 00:22:10,704 Speaker 1: have to look at the bigger picture. She's got kis kids. 520 00:22:10,904 --> 00:22:13,344 Speaker 1: I knew this was going to completely unravel her, which 521 00:22:13,384 --> 00:22:13,744 Speaker 1: it did. 522 00:22:14,464 --> 00:22:17,864 Speaker 3: That is so classy. And I also think before people 523 00:22:18,024 --> 00:22:20,544 Speaker 3: would be like, oh, you know, she was just saying 524 00:22:20,584 --> 00:22:22,464 Speaker 3: that I do think that as an adult you can 525 00:22:22,504 --> 00:22:25,504 Speaker 3: realize sometimes that people can be awful. Oh yeah, but 526 00:22:25,904 --> 00:22:28,864 Speaker 3: we all can be awful at different points exactly. 527 00:22:28,944 --> 00:22:32,384 Speaker 1: You can see then though the bigger picture Amy Pascal 528 00:22:32,504 --> 00:22:34,304 Speaker 1: was getting death threats was a whole thing. But before 529 00:22:34,304 --> 00:22:36,144 Speaker 1: you feel too sorry for her, the next lot of 530 00:22:36,144 --> 00:22:40,904 Speaker 1: emails were quite bad and I can't sorry so on here. Well, 531 00:22:41,424 --> 00:22:43,184 Speaker 1: there's no one in the right here. Maybe on the 532 00:22:43,184 --> 00:22:44,544 Speaker 1: side of the hackets. I don't know. That's for you 533 00:22:44,584 --> 00:22:46,144 Speaker 1: to sort of a little. 534 00:22:45,904 --> 00:22:48,504 Speaker 3: Bit, if I'm completely honest with this sort of level 535 00:22:48,544 --> 00:22:49,104 Speaker 3: of goss that. 536 00:22:49,024 --> 00:22:50,824 Speaker 1: We get from it. I mean, yeah, they were just 537 00:22:50,904 --> 00:22:52,824 Speaker 1: really just giving the world what they wanted to know. 538 00:22:53,064 --> 00:22:55,104 Speaker 1: So in the next section of emails that were leaked, 539 00:22:55,144 --> 00:22:57,304 Speaker 1: Amy Pascal was talking about the fact she was about 540 00:22:57,344 --> 00:23:00,544 Speaker 1: to go and have breakfast with President Barack Obama. It's 541 00:23:00,584 --> 00:23:02,504 Speaker 1: obviously a big deal. She was very excited. Was he 542 00:23:02,584 --> 00:23:05,064 Speaker 1: the president at the time. Yes, And then she was 543 00:23:05,104 --> 00:23:07,544 Speaker 1: saying to Scott Ruden, who's the producer, just those two 544 00:23:07,584 --> 00:23:09,544 Speaker 1: shouldn't have been email Like everything they say is bad. 545 00:23:09,904 --> 00:23:12,304 Speaker 1: She said, should I ask him if he likes Jengo, 546 00:23:12,544 --> 00:23:15,864 Speaker 1: which is a reference to the Quentin Tarantino movie Django Unchained, 547 00:23:16,064 --> 00:23:17,984 Speaker 1: which is about a free slave. Yeah. I was about 548 00:23:17,984 --> 00:23:21,024 Speaker 1: to say I, which could have been written off, but 549 00:23:21,064 --> 00:23:22,904 Speaker 1: then she said, or maybe I should ask if he 550 00:23:23,104 --> 00:23:26,264 Speaker 1: likes The Butler haha, which is obviously a movie about 551 00:23:26,384 --> 00:23:29,584 Speaker 1: a black butler who served eight US presidents. And then 552 00:23:29,624 --> 00:23:31,624 Speaker 1: she said, maybe I should ask if he likes Think 553 00:23:31,744 --> 00:23:34,784 Speaker 1: Like a Man, which is an ensemble romantic comedy which 554 00:23:34,824 --> 00:23:37,784 Speaker 1: mostly has a cast of black actors. So basically she 555 00:23:37,864 --> 00:23:40,384 Speaker 1: was being hello racist by going down the slate of 556 00:23:40,544 --> 00:23:43,584 Speaker 1: movies that had been released with prominent black stars or 557 00:23:43,624 --> 00:23:44,384 Speaker 1: black castle. 558 00:23:44,424 --> 00:23:48,104 Speaker 3: The president of the United States, and she thought that 559 00:23:48,144 --> 00:23:51,704 Speaker 3: the most interesting thing was the color of his skin. 560 00:23:51,984 --> 00:23:54,944 Speaker 1: Yeah. So this got people really angry because I think 561 00:23:54,944 --> 00:23:56,784 Speaker 1: a lot of times it was like bitching about people 562 00:23:56,824 --> 00:23:58,184 Speaker 1: or saying like, but that's. 563 00:23:58,104 --> 00:24:01,344 Speaker 2: Just a racism and so small minded and ridiculous. 564 00:24:01,624 --> 00:24:03,464 Speaker 1: Is how did you get to that position being so 565 00:24:03,544 --> 00:24:06,624 Speaker 1: small minded and stupid? Yeah, no, one hundred percent. And 566 00:24:06,784 --> 00:24:09,224 Speaker 1: also this was the first time a lot of Hollywood 567 00:24:09,264 --> 00:24:11,384 Speaker 1: stars spoke up about the heart because up until then 568 00:24:11,424 --> 00:24:13,024 Speaker 1: a lot of people were saying like, oh, it's not 569 00:24:13,064 --> 00:24:14,624 Speaker 1: my business. So I don't want to weigh in on 570 00:24:14,664 --> 00:24:16,984 Speaker 1: this person potentially calling this person a brat, because like, 571 00:24:16,984 --> 00:24:19,304 Speaker 1: you know, how could you prove that maybe she had. Yeah, 572 00:24:19,384 --> 00:24:21,344 Speaker 1: So like Shonda Ryan's came out and she said this 573 00:24:21,384 --> 00:24:24,104 Speaker 1: is so racist, and then Kevin Hart also came out 574 00:24:24,104 --> 00:24:26,984 Speaker 1: and said this is unacceptable, and then emails about Kevin 575 00:24:27,024 --> 00:24:30,144 Speaker 1: Hart like so Kevin Hart was going back and forth 576 00:24:30,144 --> 00:24:33,104 Speaker 1: with Sony. Sony didn't have enough to do. Yeah, it's 577 00:24:33,184 --> 00:24:35,424 Speaker 1: with all the movies they're putting out. So again, Amy 578 00:24:35,464 --> 00:24:40,144 Speaker 1: Pascal was in an email exchange with another studio executive 579 00:24:40,224 --> 00:24:42,864 Speaker 1: and the head of Sony Entertainment, and they were in 580 00:24:42,904 --> 00:24:45,304 Speaker 1: a chain with Kevin Hart where they were talking about 581 00:24:45,304 --> 00:24:47,584 Speaker 1: what he was posting on his social media and his contract, 582 00:24:47,864 --> 00:24:49,984 Speaker 1: and then they had a side email chat about him 583 00:24:50,144 --> 00:24:51,824 Speaker 1: where they were talking about like not trying to pay 584 00:24:51,904 --> 00:24:54,304 Speaker 1: him for different things, and then they basically said he'll 585 00:24:54,344 --> 00:24:56,184 Speaker 1: do whatever we want if we give him the right money. 586 00:24:56,344 --> 00:24:57,984 Speaker 1: And then they said I'm not saying he's a whore, 587 00:24:58,024 --> 00:25:00,304 Speaker 1: but he's a whore, which Kevin Hart later joked about, 588 00:25:00,304 --> 00:25:02,704 Speaker 1: but he was also like, this is ridiculous. The other 589 00:25:02,744 --> 00:25:04,424 Speaker 1: thing that came out about this, and again I've just 590 00:25:04,424 --> 00:25:07,664 Speaker 1: tried to pick the most sensational through the weeds of it. 591 00:25:07,664 --> 00:25:09,744 Speaker 1: There's so much in there, even just like. 592 00:25:09,824 --> 00:25:12,424 Speaker 2: I know what everyone will be doing on this Wednesday afternoon. 593 00:25:12,784 --> 00:25:14,424 Speaker 1: Some of the emails even made me like them. In 594 00:25:14,464 --> 00:25:18,064 Speaker 1: the celebrities more like Channing Tatum, that silly boy. He 595 00:25:18,264 --> 00:25:20,784 Speaker 1: was having his first twenty two Jump Street maybe was 596 00:25:20,824 --> 00:25:22,624 Speaker 1: coming out with Sony and it just broke all these 597 00:25:22,664 --> 00:25:25,704 Speaker 1: records and he is just emailing everyone in the company 598 00:25:26,104 --> 00:25:27,984 Speaker 1: being like, yeah, boy, we did it. Mates. 599 00:25:28,624 --> 00:25:31,464 Speaker 2: Like he's so obviously would be endearing. 600 00:25:31,104 --> 00:25:33,224 Speaker 1: But he's and like people stop replying to him after 601 00:25:33,224 --> 00:25:34,864 Speaker 1: a while because they just can't. 602 00:25:34,904 --> 00:25:37,024 Speaker 3: He's just like it doesn't have the concept of in 603 00:25:37,144 --> 00:25:39,064 Speaker 3: reply all these three hundred people. 604 00:25:39,184 --> 00:25:41,704 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like a little puppy who's like emailing all 605 00:25:41,744 --> 00:25:43,264 Speaker 1: his friends and then like obviously they're happy that they 606 00:25:43,264 --> 00:25:44,944 Speaker 1: made money, but it's just like stuff like that, You're 607 00:25:44,984 --> 00:25:47,584 Speaker 1: just like like, you're just a silly boy. One email 608 00:25:47,664 --> 00:25:51,224 Speaker 1: chain that came out was quite detrimental to Jennifer Lawrence. 609 00:25:51,424 --> 00:25:54,584 Speaker 1: Jennifer Lawrence is also involved in that big phone hack leap. 610 00:25:54,664 --> 00:25:57,344 Speaker 3: I was meant to say her nudes got yeah, which 611 00:25:57,704 --> 00:25:58,864 Speaker 3: absolutely horrific. 612 00:25:58,904 --> 00:26:00,224 Speaker 1: Having all those private photos. 613 00:26:00,384 --> 00:26:02,824 Speaker 2: She got real private after that, Like yeah, yes, as 614 00:26:02,864 --> 00:26:03,544 Speaker 2: you would. 615 00:26:03,304 --> 00:26:06,584 Speaker 1: Imagine having all of the like the private naked photos 616 00:26:06,584 --> 00:26:07,944 Speaker 1: that you'd take. And also it doesn't matter who she 617 00:26:07,944 --> 00:26:09,624 Speaker 1: took them for, shook them for a random or shook 618 00:26:09,624 --> 00:26:10,264 Speaker 1: them for herself. 619 00:26:10,504 --> 00:26:12,584 Speaker 3: But she kind of always hoped that mine would get 620 00:26:12,664 --> 00:26:14,984 Speaker 3: leaked because I looked really good back in the day. 621 00:26:14,984 --> 00:26:20,504 Speaker 1: I can someone who could possibly lead to them. We'll 622 00:26:20,504 --> 00:26:22,944 Speaker 1: get these freedom fighter link guys on the phone, Like 623 00:26:22,984 --> 00:26:25,944 Speaker 1: could you just link these specific neods those ones as well, 624 00:26:26,064 --> 00:26:26,664 Speaker 1: not that one. 625 00:26:26,744 --> 00:26:29,104 Speaker 3: Yeah, just the post boob job, not pre just the 626 00:26:29,104 --> 00:26:31,464 Speaker 3: ones we favorite it in Kelly's phone would be great. 627 00:26:31,744 --> 00:26:33,384 Speaker 1: Yeah, she had to go on this big apology to 628 00:26:33,424 --> 00:26:37,264 Speaker 1: that phone. By the way, everyone not making light, no, no, no, 629 00:26:37,304 --> 00:26:39,024 Speaker 1: we know, but the thing is everyone has photos on 630 00:26:39,064 --> 00:26:44,304 Speaker 1: their phone exactly person exactly, and she also had to 631 00:26:44,344 --> 00:26:45,984 Speaker 1: go on this big apology tour. She's like, I was 632 00:26:45,984 --> 00:26:48,344 Speaker 1: sending them to my boyfriend Nicholas Holt, who was her 633 00:26:48,464 --> 00:26:50,544 Speaker 1: X Men co star. She's like, we've been together so 634 00:26:50,584 --> 00:26:53,144 Speaker 1: many years. We were working separately, Like she had to 635 00:26:53,144 --> 00:26:54,664 Speaker 1: really explain it ridiculous. 636 00:26:54,704 --> 00:26:56,664 Speaker 3: She could have been like single as a dingle. She 637 00:26:56,864 --> 00:26:58,704 Speaker 3: was just sending them left right and centered it. She 638 00:26:58,784 --> 00:27:01,904 Speaker 3: was crucified. So this is obviously a different hit, but 639 00:27:01,944 --> 00:27:04,384 Speaker 3: this was a hit took her kind of like what 640 00:27:04,504 --> 00:27:06,184 Speaker 3: she was getting paid and all that sort of stuff. 641 00:27:06,264 --> 00:27:09,464 Speaker 3: So Jennifer Lawrence was one of the stars of American Hustle. 642 00:27:09,344 --> 00:27:10,784 Speaker 1: Huge movie, lots of phenomena. 643 00:27:10,824 --> 00:27:11,384 Speaker 2: She was wonderful. 644 00:27:11,664 --> 00:27:13,784 Speaker 1: Yeah, she's so great. She was wonderful, and she sound 645 00:27:13,864 --> 00:27:15,824 Speaker 1: like her mother. Yeah, she was great with she should 646 00:27:15,824 --> 00:27:17,984 Speaker 1: have been allowed to take her notes. And she was wonderful. 647 00:27:18,024 --> 00:27:20,584 Speaker 1: The hair looked amazing. So Bradley Cooper was in the 648 00:27:20,624 --> 00:27:23,464 Speaker 1: movie and Christian Bales and all star cast Amy Adams. 649 00:27:23,584 --> 00:27:25,984 Speaker 1: There was one email chain between the agents of like 650 00:27:26,184 --> 00:27:29,024 Speaker 1: Jennifer Lawrence and Amy Adams, who were two of the 651 00:27:29,024 --> 00:27:31,584 Speaker 1: stars in the movie. It was pretty much an ensemble 652 00:27:31,584 --> 00:27:33,584 Speaker 1: of four huge stars and they were two of them. 653 00:27:33,904 --> 00:27:35,744 Speaker 1: And so there's one going back and forth where you 654 00:27:35,784 --> 00:27:37,824 Speaker 1: can see where their agents are trying to get more 655 00:27:37,864 --> 00:27:40,304 Speaker 1: money for them, like separately for their roles and like 656 00:27:40,344 --> 00:27:41,824 Speaker 1: bump them up a few points, which is like a 657 00:27:41,824 --> 00:27:44,704 Speaker 1: few million dollars. And then there's separate chains where they're 658 00:27:44,744 --> 00:27:46,824 Speaker 1: discussing that they can pay the women less because what 659 00:27:46,864 --> 00:27:49,344 Speaker 1: happened is that it came out for American Hustle that 660 00:27:49,384 --> 00:27:51,624 Speaker 1: even though they all had equal billing and they all 661 00:27:51,664 --> 00:27:54,824 Speaker 1: had like huge critical acclaim they're all big stars, that 662 00:27:54,944 --> 00:27:58,064 Speaker 1: Jennifer Lawrence and Amy Adams were paid a lot less 663 00:27:58,144 --> 00:28:00,024 Speaker 1: than all the men in the in the movie and 664 00:28:00,064 --> 00:28:03,664 Speaker 1: it was by design to keep them out of negotiations 665 00:28:03,664 --> 00:28:05,904 Speaker 1: and pay them less because they're basically in the emails, 666 00:28:05,904 --> 00:28:09,464 Speaker 1: they're like, they're not worth it. And obviously this is 667 00:28:09,464 --> 00:28:12,024 Speaker 1: people earning millions of We don't feel like overly sorry 668 00:28:12,104 --> 00:28:12,424 Speaker 1: for them. 669 00:28:12,544 --> 00:28:15,544 Speaker 3: I still think if like you pay disparate, it doesn't 670 00:28:15,544 --> 00:28:18,544 Speaker 3: matter how much, like how many millions or thousands you're in. 671 00:28:18,704 --> 00:28:20,464 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just a good snapshot of things, of 672 00:28:20,504 --> 00:28:22,544 Speaker 1: how things happened around the world, I think. And the 673 00:28:22,624 --> 00:28:25,064 Speaker 1: hard thing was about that is that Jennifer Laurence afterwards 674 00:28:25,104 --> 00:28:27,984 Speaker 1: said that she was just so humiliated because she felt 675 00:28:28,024 --> 00:28:30,584 Speaker 1: really stupid when it came out, because she's like, I 676 00:28:30,624 --> 00:28:34,224 Speaker 1: look like an idiot basically that these people that I 677 00:28:34,264 --> 00:28:36,064 Speaker 1: worked with, that I put my heart soul into this movie. 678 00:28:36,064 --> 00:28:38,544 Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing. This was the vibe of what she said 679 00:28:38,984 --> 00:28:40,984 Speaker 1: that they kind of saw her as less than and. 680 00:28:41,344 --> 00:28:44,384 Speaker 3: She thought that they respected her, yeah, but they actually 681 00:28:44,464 --> 00:28:46,064 Speaker 3: had no respect for her at all exactly. 682 00:28:46,104 --> 00:28:47,824 Speaker 1: And she thought that this huge team of people that 683 00:28:47,864 --> 00:28:49,904 Speaker 1: she'd spent like years of her life like development of 684 00:28:49,944 --> 00:28:52,824 Speaker 1: the movie, shooting the movie, post production, doing the press tour, 685 00:28:52,944 --> 00:28:54,784 Speaker 1: like you really are in the weeds with each other 686 00:28:54,864 --> 00:28:56,584 Speaker 1: for something like that, she felt like they tricked her 687 00:28:56,584 --> 00:28:59,304 Speaker 1: and banded against her, and so did Amy Adams. So 688 00:28:59,464 --> 00:29:01,264 Speaker 1: that's why they both like fought for more pay on 689 00:29:01,264 --> 00:29:03,304 Speaker 1: their other movies. So again, that was like a huge 690 00:29:03,344 --> 00:29:05,664 Speaker 1: to have a style like Jennifer Lawrence have all of 691 00:29:05,704 --> 00:29:09,104 Speaker 1: her personal finances to an extent leaked, and people don't 692 00:29:09,144 --> 00:29:11,104 Speaker 1: like it when women make money exactly, and had to 693 00:29:11,144 --> 00:29:12,824 Speaker 1: have it come from like the heads of the studio 694 00:29:12,944 --> 00:29:15,784 Speaker 1: was such a huge deal. So that is just a 695 00:29:15,784 --> 00:29:20,424 Speaker 1: snapshot of the Sony Picture's leak that happened in twenty fourteen. 696 00:29:20,584 --> 00:29:23,184 Speaker 1: And you know Amy Pascal, Yeah, she did a lot 697 00:29:23,184 --> 00:29:24,544 Speaker 1: of bad things, but she wasn't the only one, but 698 00:29:24,584 --> 00:29:26,224 Speaker 1: she really took the hit. She had to step down 699 00:29:26,224 --> 00:29:28,184 Speaker 1: from Sony Pictures and like a lot of different people, 700 00:29:28,224 --> 00:29:28,984 Speaker 1: lost thing. 701 00:29:28,824 --> 00:29:30,784 Speaker 3: About someone is a little bit different to being like 702 00:29:31,104 --> 00:29:32,984 Speaker 3: actually a racist piece of shit though. 703 00:29:33,144 --> 00:29:35,264 Speaker 1: Yeah, she's still a very powerful finger in Hollywood. 704 00:29:35,304 --> 00:29:38,064 Speaker 2: She produces all because no one's actually canceable, right. 705 00:29:37,904 --> 00:29:39,584 Speaker 1: Well, exactly, the thing is you can always move on 706 00:29:39,624 --> 00:29:41,744 Speaker 1: to something else. People are not just careful of their emails. 707 00:29:41,784 --> 00:29:43,984 Speaker 1: But now people have different ways of negotiating, They have 708 00:29:44,024 --> 00:29:46,104 Speaker 1: different way of They had different ways of like doing 709 00:29:46,144 --> 00:29:49,064 Speaker 1: deals and everything like the Sony pictures Hack still like 710 00:29:49,144 --> 00:29:51,344 Speaker 1: looms over Hollywood and how they do business and how 711 00:29:51,344 --> 00:29:52,864 Speaker 1: they talk. And even though in a weird way, they 712 00:29:52,904 --> 00:29:54,904 Speaker 1: kind of just ricocheted back to where they were, which 713 00:29:54,904 --> 00:29:58,024 Speaker 1: is making these ip movies often paying women less, all 714 00:29:58,024 --> 00:30:00,264 Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. But it did, for a little 715 00:30:00,304 --> 00:30:03,304 Speaker 1: like a time there kind of change how we see Hollywood. 716 00:30:03,344 --> 00:30:05,064 Speaker 1: And now every time I see those celebrity faces, I 717 00:30:05,104 --> 00:30:07,504 Speaker 1: often just like those emails pop into my head. So 718 00:30:07,704 --> 00:30:08,504 Speaker 1: you've actually. 719 00:30:08,304 --> 00:30:10,304 Speaker 3: Blown my mind. I don't know how I just didn't 720 00:30:10,464 --> 00:30:11,864 Speaker 3: any of this, So thank you, Laura. 721 00:30:11,984 --> 00:30:13,744 Speaker 1: I mean, yes, that was only again, that was only 722 00:30:13,784 --> 00:30:17,704 Speaker 1: just surface level around. Everyone go read the emaust I 723 00:30:17,704 --> 00:30:19,784 Speaker 1: mean like, I'm obviously a terrible person, so I wrote, 724 00:30:20,424 --> 00:30:22,024 Speaker 1: I don't care, I'm a terrible but I think, yeah, 725 00:30:22,184 --> 00:30:24,144 Speaker 1: very important fact to know. And also go and watch 726 00:30:24,184 --> 00:30:26,624 Speaker 1: the studio on Apple TV. I'm going to now you've 727 00:30:26,624 --> 00:30:28,104 Speaker 1: got all this X. When you see Seth Roge on 728 00:30:28,104 --> 00:30:29,424 Speaker 1: the screen, You're like, I know what, I have to. 729 00:30:29,504 --> 00:30:31,504 Speaker 2: Just love him, so I think that he's brilliant. 730 00:30:31,944 --> 00:30:33,944 Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much Kelly for joining us today. 731 00:30:34,184 --> 00:30:36,264 Speaker 3: Who knows when I'll be back, could be tomorrow, could 732 00:30:36,264 --> 00:30:37,504 Speaker 3: be next week, could be in a month. 733 00:30:37,384 --> 00:30:40,224 Speaker 1: Who knows. Always around we love it, literally, I'm always looking. 734 00:30:40,384 --> 00:30:42,024 Speaker 1: One day we'll have to do like a live stream 735 00:30:42,104 --> 00:30:45,024 Speaker 1: or something, because the ship we can talk about. And 736 00:30:45,064 --> 00:30:48,304 Speaker 1: I am Loki. You're always around a corner, never far. 737 00:30:48,504 --> 00:30:50,024 Speaker 2: I feel like I'm in the office more than people 738 00:30:50,024 --> 00:30:50,904 Speaker 2: who actually work here. 739 00:30:50,904 --> 00:30:51,384 Speaker 1: Sometimes. 740 00:30:51,904 --> 00:30:54,864 Speaker 3: If you missed yesterday's episode, go have a listen because 741 00:30:54,904 --> 00:30:58,344 Speaker 3: it is quite funny. I think like Laura's tails about 742 00:30:58,744 --> 00:31:01,384 Speaker 3: scurring along the red carpet, and you just. 743 00:31:01,344 --> 00:31:03,224 Speaker 1: Know that Jacob a Lord his team have a picture 744 00:31:03,264 --> 00:31:03,984 Speaker 1: of my face up on it. 745 00:31:04,384 --> 00:31:06,704 Speaker 3: Do not invite a big red cross through my face, 746 00:31:07,384 --> 00:31:07,904 Speaker 3: So we'll. 747 00:31:07,744 --> 00:31:09,904 Speaker 1: Pop that in the show. Notes and the Spill is 748 00:31:09,944 --> 00:31:12,944 Speaker 1: produced by Ned Green with audio production by Scott Stronnick. 749 00:31:12,984 --> 00:31:14,824 Speaker 1: And we'll see you back here on your podcast feed 750 00:31:14,824 --> 00:31:16,344 Speaker 1: at three pm tomorrow. Bye. 751 00:31:16,504 --> 00:31:25,944 Speaker 2: Bye,