1 00:00:10,745 --> 00:00:13,425 Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 2 00:00:13,945 --> 00:00:17,465 Speaker 2: Mama Miya acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 3 00:00:17,505 --> 00:00:21,105 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on Hey friends, we try 4 00:00:21,105 --> 00:00:23,425 Speaker 2: and always be real with you here and also over 5 00:00:23,465 --> 00:00:24,185 Speaker 2: on you, beauty. 6 00:00:24,345 --> 00:00:26,865 Speaker 3: So I want to tell you about something exciting. 7 00:00:27,465 --> 00:00:30,065 Speaker 2: It's called the Fix, and it's on you, beauty, and 8 00:00:30,105 --> 00:00:33,345 Speaker 2: it's for those moments where you're too embarrassed to ask anyone, 9 00:00:33,905 --> 00:00:36,225 Speaker 2: like how to properly wash your face or that weird 10 00:00:36,265 --> 00:00:38,465 Speaker 2: thing your body is doing at two am. 11 00:00:38,825 --> 00:00:41,025 Speaker 3: It's like Q and A, but we're going there. 12 00:00:41,545 --> 00:00:44,825 Speaker 2: Amy Clark and Kelly McCarran are basically your new besties 13 00:00:44,905 --> 00:00:47,305 Speaker 2: or agony arts who happen to have all the answers 14 00:00:47,345 --> 00:00:50,145 Speaker 2: that you're too mortified to ask or even google. 15 00:00:50,625 --> 00:00:52,185 Speaker 3: They're serving up honest. 16 00:00:52,025 --> 00:00:54,665 Speaker 2: No bullshit advice that will make you hopefully think it's 17 00:00:54,665 --> 00:00:57,785 Speaker 2: not a complete disaster after all. Think of it like 18 00:00:57,865 --> 00:01:02,385 Speaker 2: your beauty therapy session, but with more laughs and zero judgment, because, 19 00:01:02,425 --> 00:01:04,545 Speaker 2: let's face it, we're all just swinging it, aren't we. 20 00:01:04,745 --> 00:01:05,425 Speaker 3: I still am. 21 00:01:05,745 --> 00:01:09,065 Speaker 2: Trust me, your future self will thank you for hitting play. 22 00:01:10,025 --> 00:01:11,545 Speaker 4: Makeup is my therapy. 23 00:01:11,745 --> 00:01:17,385 Speaker 3: I'm I'm obsessed and I don't even feel guilty about it. 24 00:01:19,185 --> 00:01:21,825 Speaker 5: Hello, welcome to you Beauty, the podcast for your Face, 25 00:01:21,985 --> 00:01:23,625 Speaker 5: and welcome to The Fix. 26 00:01:23,945 --> 00:01:25,465 Speaker 3: My name is Amy Clark, and with. 27 00:01:25,385 --> 00:01:28,905 Speaker 5: Me today Kelley McCarron, and today we are here to 28 00:01:28,985 --> 00:01:31,945 Speaker 5: solve life's little beauty dilemmas, the kind of stuff that 29 00:01:31,985 --> 00:01:33,625 Speaker 5: you're too embarrassed to ask anyone else. 30 00:01:34,065 --> 00:01:34,705 Speaker 4: Ask us. 31 00:01:34,865 --> 00:01:37,865 Speaker 1: You have to ask us, because there is no team 32 00:01:37,865 --> 00:01:41,665 Speaker 1: I hear. We are your beauty agony aunts. If you will, 33 00:01:42,065 --> 00:01:44,505 Speaker 1: every now and then, sometimes when you least expect it, 34 00:01:44,505 --> 00:01:46,465 Speaker 1: we are going to pop into your eyes and ears 35 00:01:46,465 --> 00:01:49,665 Speaker 1: with one of these the Fixed episodes, ready to take 36 00:01:49,705 --> 00:01:54,345 Speaker 1: on the messiest, most awkward and cringe worthy problems. 37 00:01:53,865 --> 00:01:54,745 Speaker 6: In your makeup bag. 38 00:01:54,985 --> 00:01:59,785 Speaker 5: And beyond this episode, we are tackling the unspoken rules 39 00:01:59,785 --> 00:02:01,265 Speaker 5: of cosmetic injectibles. 40 00:02:01,625 --> 00:02:03,065 Speaker 1: Do you owe people. 41 00:02:02,785 --> 00:02:03,865 Speaker 3: A full confession? 42 00:02:04,185 --> 00:02:07,625 Speaker 5: We're also diving into a very hairy situation with a 43 00:02:07,745 --> 00:02:08,825 Speaker 5: listener's boyfriend. 44 00:02:09,225 --> 00:02:12,225 Speaker 1: Plus, we are solving the case of the office hand 45 00:02:13,225 --> 00:02:13,945 Speaker 1: hand crim gate. 46 00:02:14,185 --> 00:02:18,145 Speaker 6: Was it you? Probably? But first our beauty headlines. 47 00:02:19,225 --> 00:02:20,385 Speaker 4: This is the Beauty Edit. 48 00:02:20,705 --> 00:02:22,905 Speaker 7: I'm cass Mom and me as morning editor, and I'm 49 00:02:22,945 --> 00:02:26,185 Speaker 7: here to unpack all the biggest trends. Consider this you'r 50 00:02:26,225 --> 00:02:28,985 Speaker 7: weekly download of everything you missed in the beauty world. 51 00:02:29,145 --> 00:02:31,385 Speaker 8: And I'm Sophie, the producer of you Beauty, and I'm 52 00:02:31,385 --> 00:02:34,065 Speaker 8: here to ask all the questions you're wondering on your behalf. 53 00:02:34,265 --> 00:02:36,385 Speaker 8: So let's get into it, Cass, what's the first big 54 00:02:36,425 --> 00:02:37,745 Speaker 8: trend we need to talk about? 55 00:02:38,385 --> 00:02:42,265 Speaker 7: So, Kim Kardashian is closing her skincare brand, Skin by 56 00:02:42,425 --> 00:02:43,185 Speaker 7: Kim Wait. 57 00:02:43,265 --> 00:02:45,745 Speaker 8: So Kim is shutting down her beauty line already. Didn't 58 00:02:45,745 --> 00:02:47,065 Speaker 8: that only launch a few years ago? 59 00:02:47,305 --> 00:02:47,705 Speaker 4: You're right? 60 00:02:47,745 --> 00:02:50,425 Speaker 7: So, so Skin launched in twenty twenty two as this 61 00:02:50,585 --> 00:02:54,025 Speaker 7: kind of glossy, luxury skincare brand. It was also a 62 00:02:54,065 --> 00:02:56,705 Speaker 7: rebrand of her previous labels, which you'll probably remember as 63 00:02:56,785 --> 00:03:00,865 Speaker 7: KKW Beauty and KKW Fragrance. So at the time, Kim 64 00:03:00,945 --> 00:03:02,785 Speaker 7: was kind of looking for something that was a one 65 00:03:03,265 --> 00:03:09,385 Speaker 7: brand beauty empire, and this was supposed to encompass skincare, makeup, fragrance, nails. 66 00:03:09,745 --> 00:03:10,425 Speaker 4: That sort of stuff. 67 00:03:10,465 --> 00:03:12,345 Speaker 7: And it was done in partnership with Cody, which is 68 00:03:12,345 --> 00:03:14,385 Speaker 7: a really big beauty giant who owns a bunch of 69 00:03:14,425 --> 00:03:17,585 Speaker 7: really amazing brands. And it was designed as a nine 70 00:03:17,665 --> 00:03:21,105 Speaker 7: product skin care line and later expanded to makeup, but 71 00:03:21,185 --> 00:03:23,665 Speaker 7: so if the reality was that it never really landed. 72 00:03:23,905 --> 00:03:28,065 Speaker 7: The nine products, which included cleanser, tona exfoliator, herolonic acid, 73 00:03:28,185 --> 00:03:31,425 Speaker 7: vitamin C, face cream, I cream oil, dropped night oil. 74 00:03:31,665 --> 00:03:33,385 Speaker 7: There's a reason that I'm taking a breath there. There 75 00:03:33,425 --> 00:03:36,465 Speaker 7: is so much there, and together it cost six hundred 76 00:03:36,465 --> 00:03:40,065 Speaker 7: and seventy three USD, which is around one thousand dollars AUD. 77 00:03:40,905 --> 00:03:42,065 Speaker 4: So even the fans that. 78 00:03:42,065 --> 00:03:45,065 Speaker 7: Really loved Kim couldn't justify that kind of price tag. 79 00:03:45,265 --> 00:03:47,585 Speaker 7: So in twenty twenty four she tried to turn things around. 80 00:03:47,705 --> 00:03:50,745 Speaker 7: She sort of didn't let it die, then added some makeup, 81 00:03:50,785 --> 00:03:53,025 Speaker 7: but even then it just didn't really take off. 82 00:03:53,465 --> 00:03:55,265 Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, I definitely wouldn't pay that. 83 00:03:55,345 --> 00:03:57,825 Speaker 7: No, I know, I think it's quite excessive, especially because 84 00:03:57,825 --> 00:04:00,345 Speaker 7: if you consider so many celebrity luxury brands are kind 85 00:04:00,385 --> 00:04:01,505 Speaker 7: of in that middle range. 86 00:04:01,585 --> 00:04:03,105 Speaker 4: So this was a bit of a step at the time. 87 00:04:03,345 --> 00:04:05,185 Speaker 8: So what happened was it just too expensive. 88 00:04:05,745 --> 00:04:07,465 Speaker 4: That was kind of a big part of it. 89 00:04:07,585 --> 00:04:09,385 Speaker 7: And the products were nice, but I feel like they 90 00:04:09,385 --> 00:04:12,305 Speaker 7: weren't that unique, especially for that kind of price range. 91 00:04:12,425 --> 00:04:15,145 Speaker 7: So Bethany Frankel, who is on the Real Housewives of 92 00:04:15,185 --> 00:04:17,345 Speaker 7: New York and makes lots of comments on social media 93 00:04:17,425 --> 00:04:20,505 Speaker 7: about various things, called it a rich person's game, and 94 00:04:20,665 --> 00:04:23,305 Speaker 7: I think that kind of sums this one up. And 95 00:04:23,345 --> 00:04:25,865 Speaker 7: then you've got Kim herself. So she's already juggling her 96 00:04:25,865 --> 00:04:29,705 Speaker 7: four billion dollar Skims empire, four kids, finishing a law program, 97 00:04:29,745 --> 00:04:32,105 Speaker 7: and now she's actually going to start in Ryan Murphy's 98 00:04:32,145 --> 00:04:34,785 Speaker 7: new series All Fair. So she has a lot going on. 99 00:04:34,985 --> 00:04:37,745 Speaker 7: And I think in this instance, a sluggish beauty label 100 00:04:37,905 --> 00:04:39,425 Speaker 7: just really wasn't worth her bandwidth. 101 00:04:39,665 --> 00:04:42,065 Speaker 8: Okay, So wasn't this in a partnership, Yes. 102 00:04:41,945 --> 00:04:43,385 Speaker 4: It was so behind the scenes. 103 00:04:43,465 --> 00:04:46,865 Speaker 7: Coti, who originally partnered with her, sold their stake at 104 00:04:46,865 --> 00:04:49,265 Speaker 7: a loss earlier this year, So that kind of led 105 00:04:49,305 --> 00:04:51,345 Speaker 7: to this official note on the website saying that it 106 00:04:51,385 --> 00:04:53,345 Speaker 7: closed down on June twenty ninth. 107 00:04:53,105 --> 00:04:53,705 Speaker 4: Of this year. 108 00:04:53,945 --> 00:04:55,745 Speaker 8: Okay, Kassid, does that mean that this is the end 109 00:04:55,745 --> 00:04:56,905 Speaker 8: of Kim Kardashian in beauty? 110 00:04:56,985 --> 00:04:58,945 Speaker 7: Look, it's a good question, but I think the answer 111 00:04:58,985 --> 00:05:02,745 Speaker 7: is not quite. The industry is already talking about Skims 112 00:05:02,825 --> 00:05:05,625 Speaker 7: Beauty on the horizon potentially for next year in twenty 113 00:05:05,665 --> 00:05:08,145 Speaker 7: twenty six, and that actually makes a lot of sense 114 00:05:08,225 --> 00:05:11,505 Speaker 7: if you consider skims as a cultural juggernaut. It's not 115 00:05:11,545 --> 00:05:15,865 Speaker 7: just shapewear anymore. It's loungewear, it's swim, it's men's wear. 116 00:05:15,705 --> 00:05:16,825 Speaker 6: And it's gone global. 117 00:05:16,985 --> 00:05:19,785 Speaker 7: So it makes sense to put her new beauty foray, 118 00:05:19,865 --> 00:05:22,905 Speaker 7: whatever that may be, under the Skim's umbrella and tapping 119 00:05:22,985 --> 00:05:24,705 Speaker 7: into her existing customer base. 120 00:05:25,265 --> 00:05:27,665 Speaker 4: So my thoughts, so that Skin by Kim may have. 121 00:05:27,625 --> 00:05:30,025 Speaker 7: Flopped, but this feels like less of a failure and 122 00:05:30,065 --> 00:05:31,785 Speaker 7: a bit more of a strategic pivot. 123 00:05:32,105 --> 00:05:34,185 Speaker 8: Okay, right, So it's Kimmy Kaye trimming the fat so 124 00:05:34,305 --> 00:05:36,185 Speaker 8: you can make a bigger comeback. 125 00:05:35,905 --> 00:05:36,425 Speaker 4: I'd say. 126 00:05:36,465 --> 00:05:36,545 Speaker 5: So. 127 00:05:36,745 --> 00:05:38,585 Speaker 7: I think she's cut in the dead weight and then 128 00:05:38,625 --> 00:05:41,545 Speaker 7: she's gonna come back bigger and better than ever. Sophie, 129 00:05:41,585 --> 00:05:44,545 Speaker 7: I have some devastating news. The internet is saying that 130 00:05:44,585 --> 00:05:45,905 Speaker 7: MATCHA is messing with our hair. 131 00:05:46,825 --> 00:05:50,505 Speaker 8: Wait what hold on, don't come for my morning match a, cass? 132 00:05:50,665 --> 00:05:51,625 Speaker 8: What is going on here? 133 00:05:51,785 --> 00:05:54,225 Speaker 7: So Matcha is everywhere right now, and all the hot 134 00:05:54,265 --> 00:05:55,945 Speaker 7: girls are drinking it on their walks. 135 00:05:55,945 --> 00:05:57,265 Speaker 4: It's Oliver Pinterest and. 136 00:05:57,185 --> 00:05:59,185 Speaker 7: Even I have to say it looks very chic when 137 00:05:59,185 --> 00:06:02,225 Speaker 7: you've got one in your hand. But a viral Instagram 138 00:06:02,265 --> 00:06:05,265 Speaker 7: reel had people spiraling, and it came from holistic beauty 139 00:06:05,305 --> 00:06:08,585 Speaker 7: expert Michelle Ranavat. So she said that her hair started 140 00:06:08,625 --> 00:06:10,865 Speaker 7: falling out because she was drinking too much of it. 141 00:06:11,185 --> 00:06:13,465 Speaker 8: Oh my god, Okay, how much is too much? What 142 00:06:13,465 --> 00:06:14,745 Speaker 8: does that mean exactly? 143 00:06:14,825 --> 00:06:17,865 Speaker 7: I mean the main ingredient in matcha that's causing a 144 00:06:17,985 --> 00:06:20,585 Speaker 7: fuss is something called a tannin, which is a naturally 145 00:06:20,625 --> 00:06:24,865 Speaker 7: occurring polyphonolic compound. They're saying that it could block iron absorption, 146 00:06:25,145 --> 00:06:28,265 Speaker 7: and low iron is correlated to thinning and shedding. But 147 00:06:28,305 --> 00:06:31,705 Speaker 7: as we know, there's quite a difference between correlation and causation. 148 00:06:32,865 --> 00:06:35,785 Speaker 8: So we're saying that my morning beloved green latte is 149 00:06:35,785 --> 00:06:36,905 Speaker 8: going to make me bald. 150 00:06:36,865 --> 00:06:40,105 Speaker 7: Well, Not exactly, So Mamma Mia spoke to the experts 151 00:06:40,145 --> 00:06:42,345 Speaker 7: on this one to debunk it. We spoke with doctor 152 00:06:42,425 --> 00:06:44,705 Speaker 7: James Hook, who's really well known in the wellness and 153 00:06:44,745 --> 00:06:47,545 Speaker 7: health world, and he said that basically any food or 154 00:06:47,625 --> 00:06:51,105 Speaker 7: drink in excess could impact our health. So matcha isn't 155 00:06:51,145 --> 00:06:54,865 Speaker 7: directly causing our hair loss. However, if you already have 156 00:06:55,025 --> 00:06:57,305 Speaker 7: low iron, it might not be a bad idea to 157 00:06:57,385 --> 00:07:00,585 Speaker 7: drink a little less or time your intake better For 158 00:07:00,625 --> 00:07:03,465 Speaker 7: those that are already low in iron, it could worseen 159 00:07:03,505 --> 00:07:07,305 Speaker 7: the deficiency or potentially trigger something called intelligent effluvium, which 160 00:07:07,545 --> 00:07:10,025 Speaker 7: you may know is a type of temporary shit and 161 00:07:10,065 --> 00:07:13,985 Speaker 7: hair loss, but it's actually not a new phenomenon, Sophie. 162 00:07:13,585 --> 00:07:14,945 Speaker 8: So it's not just my match to them. 163 00:07:15,545 --> 00:07:16,865 Speaker 4: No, So doctors have. 164 00:07:16,865 --> 00:07:19,705 Speaker 7: Actually recommended keeping tea and coffee at least one to 165 00:07:19,745 --> 00:07:22,145 Speaker 7: two hours away from meals that are iron rich or 166 00:07:22,225 --> 00:07:25,185 Speaker 7: if you're taking iron supplements, and they basically say to 167 00:07:25,225 --> 00:07:27,545 Speaker 7: take the supplements on an empty stomach. So if you're 168 00:07:27,585 --> 00:07:29,745 Speaker 7: low in iron and you're trying to eat a breakfast 169 00:07:29,745 --> 00:07:31,665 Speaker 7: sausage in the morning, maybe have your match out a 170 00:07:31,665 --> 00:07:32,745 Speaker 7: little later in the day. 171 00:07:33,105 --> 00:07:35,985 Speaker 8: So basically, don't chug a Marcher with your steak dinner. 172 00:07:36,145 --> 00:07:38,585 Speaker 7: It's more of your iron deficient to just be mindful 173 00:07:38,865 --> 00:07:40,745 Speaker 7: making sure you're eating your iron rich foods on an 174 00:07:40,745 --> 00:07:44,065 Speaker 7: empty stomach and monitoring your levels and consulting a doctor 175 00:07:44,105 --> 00:07:46,705 Speaker 7: if you're a bit worried. So the bottom line is, no, 176 00:07:46,905 --> 00:07:48,865 Speaker 7: you don't need to break up with your March just yet, 177 00:07:48,905 --> 00:07:51,625 Speaker 7: but make sure to drink it smarter. That's your beauty 178 00:07:51,665 --> 00:07:53,945 Speaker 7: headlines for this week. Now, let's get into your beauty 179 00:07:53,945 --> 00:07:55,985 Speaker 7: dilemmas with Kelly and Amy. 180 00:07:56,065 --> 00:07:59,465 Speaker 6: This one has come from a listener named Jen so. 181 00:07:59,585 --> 00:08:03,385 Speaker 5: Gendm Us, saying, I recently had a small cosmetic enhancement 182 00:08:03,425 --> 00:08:05,545 Speaker 5: to my lips and lines just to just screet touch up, 183 00:08:05,585 --> 00:08:08,225 Speaker 5: and I absolutely love it. The change is super subtle 184 00:08:08,265 --> 00:08:09,905 Speaker 5: and natural, but it still makes me feel. 185 00:08:10,065 --> 00:08:11,145 Speaker 3: Like I'm hiding something. 186 00:08:11,585 --> 00:08:13,945 Speaker 5: I have a friend who's completely open about her tweaks. 187 00:08:13,945 --> 00:08:17,065 Speaker 5: If someone compliments her lips, she'll say straight away, thanks, 188 00:08:17,105 --> 00:08:19,865 Speaker 5: I got them done. I admire that honesty, but I'm 189 00:08:19,905 --> 00:08:22,625 Speaker 5: not sure I want to be that transparent. So do 190 00:08:22,745 --> 00:08:25,185 Speaker 5: I have to tell people? Do I owe them that information? 191 00:08:25,585 --> 00:08:27,065 Speaker 6: What is the etiquette? 192 00:08:27,345 --> 00:08:30,225 Speaker 5: I feel like you are the perfect person to talk 193 00:08:30,265 --> 00:08:32,985 Speaker 5: about this, because yeah, but I last thing you were like, 194 00:08:33,065 --> 00:08:34,105 Speaker 5: I want to answer first. 195 00:08:34,265 --> 00:08:36,745 Speaker 1: Oh, like she's going to come in with some opinions. Oho. 196 00:08:38,185 --> 00:08:41,665 Speaker 5: I totally get why gen feels this way, because we 197 00:08:41,785 --> 00:08:45,985 Speaker 5: do expect transparency when it comes to injectibles and tweatments, 198 00:08:45,985 --> 00:08:49,225 Speaker 5: but it's from people that are profiting from the way 199 00:08:49,265 --> 00:08:51,265 Speaker 5: they look or that it's part of their brand, So 200 00:08:51,345 --> 00:08:54,665 Speaker 5: you know, like it's so different for someone who is 201 00:08:54,705 --> 00:08:58,425 Speaker 5: in the public eye versus the average person. Like, I 202 00:08:58,505 --> 00:09:01,905 Speaker 5: don't expect the average person to tell me what tweatments 203 00:09:01,905 --> 00:09:02,585 Speaker 5: they've had. 204 00:09:02,785 --> 00:09:03,665 Speaker 8: Do you know? 205 00:09:04,105 --> 00:09:06,545 Speaker 3: I mean, if I ask them point blank, what have 206 00:09:06,625 --> 00:09:07,065 Speaker 3: you done? 207 00:09:07,145 --> 00:09:10,025 Speaker 1: Well, if someone looks vastly different, of course it's none 208 00:09:10,025 --> 00:09:13,585 Speaker 1: of my business. But if I ask and you're not 209 00:09:13,785 --> 00:09:15,905 Speaker 1: transparent and I know you well, then you're kind of 210 00:09:15,905 --> 00:09:16,625 Speaker 1: a little bit you're not. 211 00:09:16,625 --> 00:09:17,305 Speaker 6: A girl's girl. 212 00:09:17,305 --> 00:09:20,505 Speaker 1: I just don't think however, no, no, no, no, no, 213 00:09:20,545 --> 00:09:23,065 Speaker 1: I'm saying, if I know you quite well, that's it. 214 00:09:23,065 --> 00:09:25,945 Speaker 5: It's like like, am I going to tell someone that 215 00:09:26,025 --> 00:09:29,625 Speaker 5: I literally met today, like my entire cosmetic history. 216 00:09:29,745 --> 00:09:30,425 Speaker 3: I'm probably not. 217 00:09:30,665 --> 00:09:35,905 Speaker 9: Yeah, and they did, they wouldn't ask, well, this is 218 00:09:35,905 --> 00:09:39,105 Speaker 9: what I've had done exactly down to the mills literally, 219 00:09:39,185 --> 00:09:41,905 Speaker 9: but where like probably not the best litmus test for 220 00:09:42,025 --> 00:09:45,185 Speaker 9: like how the average person might talk about it. 221 00:09:45,225 --> 00:09:47,825 Speaker 5: But in my friendship circle, I think because it's like 222 00:09:48,025 --> 00:09:50,905 Speaker 5: in the same way that you share recommendations and information, 223 00:09:51,145 --> 00:09:53,385 Speaker 5: you know, like the great pair of boots that you've found, 224 00:09:53,505 --> 00:09:57,665 Speaker 5: or like have you been to this plate studio, this restaurant, 225 00:09:57,705 --> 00:09:59,945 Speaker 5: It's kind of like I feel like I love sharing 226 00:09:59,985 --> 00:10:02,185 Speaker 5: information in that way with my friends, so I have 227 00:10:02,265 --> 00:10:04,945 Speaker 5: no you know, I'll be like, oh, yeah, I did 228 00:10:04,945 --> 00:10:07,865 Speaker 5: this and this and this, But it's also completely fine 229 00:10:08,745 --> 00:10:12,985 Speaker 5: not to so, Jen, you actually don't owe anybody that information. 230 00:10:13,385 --> 00:10:16,865 Speaker 1: You don't owe anyone anything about your body, about what 231 00:10:16,905 --> 00:10:21,105 Speaker 1: you've had done, about anything. However, that's how I see 232 00:10:21,105 --> 00:10:23,625 Speaker 1: it on one hand. But on the other hand, my 233 00:10:23,705 --> 00:10:26,625 Speaker 1: comment about being a girl's girl is simply if someone 234 00:10:26,665 --> 00:10:29,625 Speaker 1: says to you, oh, my goodness, your lips look fantastic 235 00:10:29,665 --> 00:10:32,345 Speaker 1: and you have had filler, I just think it's a 236 00:10:32,385 --> 00:10:37,905 Speaker 1: little bit disingenuous personally to say, well, I mean, you 237 00:10:37,945 --> 00:10:41,345 Speaker 1: can just say thanks, true, you can just say thanks, 238 00:10:41,385 --> 00:10:45,945 Speaker 1: But if you're allowing that person to believe that it 239 00:10:46,065 --> 00:10:49,945 Speaker 1: was just how you will mother nature mother nature, or 240 00:10:50,025 --> 00:10:53,465 Speaker 1: just a particular lip product that you're using, that's what 241 00:10:53,545 --> 00:10:57,865 Speaker 1: I think is a little bit disingenuous. However, it also 242 00:10:57,905 --> 00:11:01,665 Speaker 1: is still not that person's business, true, Like it doesn't 243 00:11:01,745 --> 00:11:03,505 Speaker 1: you don't owe anyone anything. 244 00:11:03,665 --> 00:11:07,705 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's always as long as you're not like causing harm. 245 00:11:08,265 --> 00:11:11,225 Speaker 5: And also like, yeah, it's comes down to like the who, 246 00:11:11,305 --> 00:11:14,105 Speaker 5: the context, all of that kind of stuff. If anything, 247 00:11:14,505 --> 00:11:17,385 Speaker 5: I'd almost say to Jen, it's probably worth just like 248 00:11:17,865 --> 00:11:20,505 Speaker 5: she said that she loves how it looks that she's 249 00:11:20,505 --> 00:11:23,105 Speaker 5: so happy with the results. It's more kind of like, oh, 250 00:11:23,145 --> 00:11:26,065 Speaker 5: I wonder like why she like feels a little bit 251 00:11:26,185 --> 00:11:30,145 Speaker 5: uncomfy about like if she would tell her friends or not, 252 00:11:30,785 --> 00:11:32,425 Speaker 5: because it's kind of like if it's from a place 253 00:11:32,425 --> 00:11:34,825 Speaker 5: of like, oh I feel like a bit shameful that 254 00:11:34,905 --> 00:11:37,985 Speaker 5: I've had this thing done, then like maybe that's worth interrogating. 255 00:11:37,985 --> 00:11:40,585 Speaker 5: But if you're just a super private person, then lack 256 00:11:40,665 --> 00:11:41,145 Speaker 5: power to you. 257 00:11:41,545 --> 00:11:44,865 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you don't have to at all. And I'm 258 00:11:44,905 --> 00:11:46,425 Speaker 1: not saying that you're not a girl's girl at all. 259 00:11:46,465 --> 00:11:50,625 Speaker 1: Like it's so as you said, it's within context, Like, yeah, 260 00:11:50,665 --> 00:11:53,585 Speaker 1: I think what bothers me is I always think about 261 00:11:53,585 --> 00:11:58,705 Speaker 1: it purely from it's when a public person promotes lip 262 00:11:58,785 --> 00:12:02,785 Speaker 1: bum Yeah, this makes my lips look like this, and 263 00:12:02,825 --> 00:12:05,345 Speaker 1: they've had three meals of filler and a lip flip 264 00:12:05,425 --> 00:12:08,985 Speaker 1: and potentially a few tweakments around their mouth. That's what 265 00:12:09,025 --> 00:12:13,905 Speaker 1: I just think is really deceiving and bad behavior and 266 00:12:13,945 --> 00:12:15,585 Speaker 1: poor form towards other women. 267 00:12:15,985 --> 00:12:18,705 Speaker 6: But yeah, if you're just private, don't worry about it. 268 00:12:19,025 --> 00:12:21,985 Speaker 1: Don't overthink things too much that don't affect other people. 269 00:12:27,825 --> 00:12:31,705 Speaker 5: Now, for our second question, we have an anonymous submission, 270 00:12:32,025 --> 00:12:34,865 Speaker 5: one from Melbourne. It's not me, by the way, because 271 00:12:34,905 --> 00:12:35,945 Speaker 5: I live in Melbourne. 272 00:12:37,025 --> 00:12:39,385 Speaker 1: My partner has a beard and it's a total mess. 273 00:12:39,425 --> 00:12:42,505 Speaker 1: It looks unkempt, and he just uses my standard champoon 274 00:12:42,585 --> 00:12:45,865 Speaker 1: it which makes it feel dry and wiry. I'm honestly 275 00:12:45,905 --> 00:12:48,025 Speaker 1: so put off by it. How do I convince him 276 00:12:48,025 --> 00:12:50,705 Speaker 1: to use a proper beard products without hurting his feelings 277 00:12:50,825 --> 00:12:53,265 Speaker 1: or making it a whole thing. I'm sorry to giggle, 278 00:12:53,305 --> 00:12:55,385 Speaker 1: but I just I'm honestly so put off by it. 279 00:12:55,545 --> 00:12:57,425 Speaker 1: That line is like it's giving me the eck. 280 00:12:57,865 --> 00:13:01,145 Speaker 5: Yeah, but honestly, but there's a whole bunch of ways. 281 00:13:01,185 --> 00:13:03,545 Speaker 5: I'm sure that you could say this with nuance and whatever, 282 00:13:03,585 --> 00:13:05,745 Speaker 5: but I would literally say, and I'm pretty sure I 283 00:13:05,785 --> 00:13:08,705 Speaker 5: have said this to my husband. I like kissing you 284 00:13:08,785 --> 00:13:11,865 Speaker 5: better when you've had a fresh shave, don't give me 285 00:13:12,385 --> 00:13:15,545 Speaker 5: a beard, rush my face or badge. Like like, I'm 286 00:13:15,545 --> 00:13:18,185 Speaker 5: gonna throw that information out there and then it's his 287 00:13:18,505 --> 00:13:20,865 Speaker 5: you know, he can do with that what he will do. 288 00:13:20,905 --> 00:13:23,985 Speaker 5: You want to kiss me more, then let's shave. Let's 289 00:13:23,985 --> 00:13:26,665 Speaker 5: look after the facial hair, because like, and that's coming 290 00:13:26,705 --> 00:13:29,105 Speaker 5: from me like, or if you've ever like you get 291 00:13:29,145 --> 00:13:33,145 Speaker 5: easily irritated skin, like I need to not look like 292 00:13:33,545 --> 00:13:36,745 Speaker 5: Sharon Strzleki when I'm out and about with a massive 293 00:13:36,785 --> 00:13:38,105 Speaker 5: pass rush exactly. 294 00:13:38,705 --> 00:13:40,265 Speaker 1: That's just such a good way to look at it, 295 00:13:40,345 --> 00:13:42,425 Speaker 1: Just really good advice. You don't have to hurt their feelings. 296 00:13:42,465 --> 00:13:44,505 Speaker 1: Just say, hey, your beard is really rough and it 297 00:13:44,585 --> 00:13:45,345 Speaker 1: hurts my face. 298 00:13:45,505 --> 00:13:47,545 Speaker 6: Do you want to pass me? Yes or no? Except 299 00:13:47,585 --> 00:13:49,865 Speaker 6: then if he shaves it. You've really got to like passion. 300 00:13:50,065 --> 00:13:53,585 Speaker 5: Oh yes, And this listener has said that their partner 301 00:13:53,585 --> 00:13:57,465 Speaker 5: has a beard. It's a bit different but easy fix, 302 00:13:57,985 --> 00:14:01,545 Speaker 5: like to keep a beard maintained and like, I don't know, it. 303 00:14:01,545 --> 00:14:06,065 Speaker 1: Depends how sensitive happens and how bushy. Most people surely 304 00:14:06,185 --> 00:14:09,665 Speaker 1: are open to a little bit of criticism about that. Like, hey, babe, 305 00:14:09,545 --> 00:14:11,305 Speaker 1: I brought you some bead oil. It's just you can 306 00:14:11,345 --> 00:14:14,545 Speaker 1: do it really casually, in a non confrontational way. Babe, 307 00:14:14,545 --> 00:14:16,025 Speaker 1: I picked up this beard oil for you because the 308 00:14:16,065 --> 00:14:18,105 Speaker 1: last time you gave me a schmooch it kind of 309 00:14:18,185 --> 00:14:20,545 Speaker 1: hurt me. Can you just start using this? I think 310 00:14:20,585 --> 00:14:22,825 Speaker 1: it'll Like I read an article it's really good something 311 00:14:22,865 --> 00:14:23,025 Speaker 1: like that. 312 00:14:23,105 --> 00:14:25,265 Speaker 6: Yeah, just drop it. Into casual conversation. Doesn't have to 313 00:14:25,305 --> 00:14:25,825 Speaker 6: be a big thing. 314 00:14:26,025 --> 00:14:29,505 Speaker 5: It also doesn't have to be like a specific beard product, like, 315 00:14:29,545 --> 00:14:32,345 Speaker 5: for example, like the face oil that I love, Like 316 00:14:32,465 --> 00:14:35,225 Speaker 5: he can use that too on his facial hair. I'm 317 00:14:35,225 --> 00:14:39,265 Speaker 5: talking as someone who has like I'm always skip. 318 00:14:39,465 --> 00:14:42,305 Speaker 1: Yeah I still have a beard, and well. 319 00:14:42,145 --> 00:14:45,305 Speaker 5: Actually, funnily enough, yeah, my husband does like to comment 320 00:14:45,345 --> 00:14:48,505 Speaker 5: on how my little mustache glints in the sunlight sometimes, 321 00:14:48,545 --> 00:14:51,105 Speaker 5: but you know, it's very soft, so it doesn't cause 322 00:14:51,185 --> 00:14:55,505 Speaker 5: him a shape. But another little hack that I use 323 00:14:56,385 --> 00:14:58,465 Speaker 5: is I'll just like send I don't know if you 324 00:14:58,505 --> 00:15:02,305 Speaker 5: send your partner like tiktoks or Instagram memes and things 325 00:15:02,345 --> 00:15:06,065 Speaker 5: like that, just send some pictures of like, you know, 326 00:15:06,985 --> 00:15:09,585 Speaker 5: men with facial hair that you think looks nice. 327 00:15:09,345 --> 00:15:11,505 Speaker 6: And so send them across. 328 00:15:11,625 --> 00:15:12,345 Speaker 3: They'll get the hint. 329 00:15:12,705 --> 00:15:16,465 Speaker 1: Producer Soaf has just given us such an additional great tip. 330 00:15:16,865 --> 00:15:19,385 Speaker 1: When they're not near you just starts screaming into their 331 00:15:19,385 --> 00:15:22,705 Speaker 1: phone so that they listen and then start serving ads. 332 00:15:23,305 --> 00:15:25,825 Speaker 6: I need a beard oil, I need a soft. 333 00:15:25,585 --> 00:15:28,545 Speaker 1: Beard, scratchy beard, help please help me. 334 00:15:29,185 --> 00:15:31,425 Speaker 6: And that was great advice. 335 00:15:31,465 --> 00:15:43,505 Speaker 5: So the work borrower, all right, So listener Julia has 336 00:15:43,585 --> 00:15:46,905 Speaker 5: asked there's a colleague at my office who is constantly 337 00:15:47,065 --> 00:15:51,825 Speaker 5: quote unquote borrowing my lip, arm and hand cream. I'm sorry, 338 00:15:51,825 --> 00:15:54,025 Speaker 5: but that person needs to go to jail. I keep 339 00:15:54,025 --> 00:15:56,585 Speaker 5: my desk stocked with my favorite expensive products, and she 340 00:15:56,785 --> 00:15:59,305 Speaker 5: always asks to use them. How do I get her 341 00:15:59,345 --> 00:16:02,385 Speaker 5: to stop without making it awkward every time she asks? 342 00:16:02,945 --> 00:16:06,145 Speaker 1: Let us both say how we would approach this situation. 343 00:16:06,705 --> 00:16:07,585 Speaker 4: Um, it's me. 344 00:16:08,505 --> 00:16:13,305 Speaker 1: Being the person I am Oi jaila jawls. 345 00:16:14,065 --> 00:16:16,385 Speaker 6: Don't get your dirty mits off my things. 346 00:16:17,065 --> 00:16:18,865 Speaker 1: What if I had a cold saw your dirty bitch. 347 00:16:20,905 --> 00:16:22,745 Speaker 6: What if you have a cold saw your dirty bitch. 348 00:16:22,945 --> 00:16:25,465 Speaker 5: Yeah, so I probably wouldn't do it quite like that, 349 00:16:25,705 --> 00:16:29,145 Speaker 5: but this reminded me so much of and also like 350 00:16:29,185 --> 00:16:31,745 Speaker 5: every office is different, Like you come to the mum 351 00:16:31,825 --> 00:16:34,665 Speaker 5: and mea office, Like people are picking stuff up of 352 00:16:34,825 --> 00:16:38,065 Speaker 5: other people's desks, like you know, I'm going over and 353 00:16:38,105 --> 00:16:41,225 Speaker 5: I'm spraying your perfume. Like it's just a different environment. 354 00:16:41,585 --> 00:16:44,225 Speaker 5: But I once I will never forget. Once in our 355 00:16:44,265 --> 00:16:47,385 Speaker 5: old office, I had my GHD glide straight in and 356 00:16:47,425 --> 00:16:49,345 Speaker 5: brush like plugged in at my desk so I could 357 00:16:49,385 --> 00:16:51,985 Speaker 5: do my hair before work. And one time I came 358 00:16:52,025 --> 00:16:54,785 Speaker 5: into the office one morning and it was like you 359 00:16:54,785 --> 00:16:57,305 Speaker 5: know when someone bows a heat tool and they like 360 00:16:57,745 --> 00:17:00,705 Speaker 5: they wrap the cord up around and it's like, so 361 00:17:01,025 --> 00:17:03,585 Speaker 5: they unplugged it, wrapped it up, put it on the desk. 362 00:17:03,705 --> 00:17:08,425 Speaker 3: It was covered in blonde hair. Obviously I'm a ranger. 363 00:17:08,465 --> 00:17:10,665 Speaker 5: I don't have blonde hair, so it was like someone's 364 00:17:10,785 --> 00:17:13,425 Speaker 5: used this, they haven't asked me to use it, and 365 00:17:13,465 --> 00:17:16,145 Speaker 5: then they've left it on my desk with all their 366 00:17:16,185 --> 00:17:19,465 Speaker 5: hair in it, and I was like, like, you could 367 00:17:19,465 --> 00:17:20,665 Speaker 5: have just pulled the hair out. 368 00:17:20,785 --> 00:17:24,505 Speaker 6: I just said, hey, babe, do you mind if I So. 369 00:17:24,665 --> 00:17:28,785 Speaker 5: I really empathize with Julia, but I'd probably say, like, 370 00:17:29,025 --> 00:17:32,545 Speaker 5: take your really fancy hand like expense, I if we're 371 00:17:32,585 --> 00:17:36,145 Speaker 5: talking like a Birado hand cream or something like that's 372 00:17:36,185 --> 00:17:40,545 Speaker 5: for your nightstand. Probably like the easiest way to solve 373 00:17:40,585 --> 00:17:43,545 Speaker 5: this is to just like replace it with another really 374 00:17:43,905 --> 00:17:47,305 Speaker 5: beautiful looking, affordable hand cream, so you still get that 375 00:17:47,385 --> 00:17:50,585 Speaker 5: nice glimmer in your day. But then it's kind of 376 00:17:50,625 --> 00:17:53,425 Speaker 5: like if somebody is like and also when you're applying 377 00:17:53,465 --> 00:17:55,825 Speaker 5: to hand cream at work and it smells really beautiful, 378 00:17:56,345 --> 00:17:57,945 Speaker 5: like I'm probably going to turn around be like. 379 00:17:57,905 --> 00:17:59,705 Speaker 3: Oh that, oh that smells nice. 380 00:18:00,025 --> 00:18:02,305 Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't think that we can gate keep hand 381 00:18:02,385 --> 00:18:03,465 Speaker 1: cream in an office. 382 00:18:03,865 --> 00:18:05,025 Speaker 6: Well, of course we can. 383 00:18:05,185 --> 00:18:07,385 Speaker 1: You can have whatever boundaries you want, but I agree, 384 00:18:07,465 --> 00:18:09,985 Speaker 1: just get like a more affordable one, keep you a 385 00:18:10,065 --> 00:18:12,785 Speaker 1: nice one for at home or your home office, and 386 00:18:12,905 --> 00:18:15,705 Speaker 1: just yeah, share the hand cream around the lip bum 387 00:18:15,825 --> 00:18:16,945 Speaker 1: on the other hand. 388 00:18:17,225 --> 00:18:18,305 Speaker 6: No way, yuck. 389 00:18:18,945 --> 00:18:22,545 Speaker 5: That is like, that's like go to HR please, I do. 390 00:18:22,505 --> 00:18:24,145 Speaker 6: Not share lip bum with my sister. 391 00:18:25,105 --> 00:18:25,385 Speaker 8: Yuck. 392 00:18:25,985 --> 00:18:27,745 Speaker 6: That is I agree straight to Joy. 393 00:18:27,905 --> 00:18:30,025 Speaker 5: I think I'm in shock too, just thinking about like 394 00:18:30,065 --> 00:18:31,465 Speaker 5: a colleague using my lip bum. 395 00:18:32,025 --> 00:18:37,065 Speaker 1: I'm so intimate and really gross, like that's bad germs. 396 00:18:37,505 --> 00:18:40,945 Speaker 1: I think a more polite way of dealing with it 397 00:18:40,985 --> 00:18:44,345 Speaker 1: than just shouting at her so jokingly non jokingly said, 398 00:18:45,945 --> 00:18:48,825 Speaker 1: just hate once again, Like I said with the husband. 399 00:18:48,825 --> 00:18:52,225 Speaker 1: Think things don't have to be confrontational. I think sometimes 400 00:18:52,265 --> 00:18:54,865 Speaker 1: we build things up in our head more than they 401 00:18:54,905 --> 00:18:58,545 Speaker 1: need to be. Next time she comes over and ask 402 00:18:58,625 --> 00:19:00,985 Speaker 1: to borrow your things, you just say, don't mind using 403 00:19:00,985 --> 00:19:03,145 Speaker 1: my hand cremb please don't borrow my lip bum. I 404 00:19:03,185 --> 00:19:04,745 Speaker 1: just find it really gross. I don't want to share 405 00:19:04,745 --> 00:19:08,465 Speaker 1: lip bums or turn it around onto yourself. Say I wouldn't. 406 00:19:08,625 --> 00:19:11,625 Speaker 1: I've got a cold, saw or I'm getting a flu. Yeah, 407 00:19:11,865 --> 00:19:14,265 Speaker 1: just make yourself out to be the gross one. Why 408 00:19:14,305 --> 00:19:15,505 Speaker 1: would you want to use your things? 409 00:19:15,585 --> 00:19:15,785 Speaker 4: Yeah? 410 00:19:15,865 --> 00:19:19,825 Speaker 5: Fall on the sword like and send her this episode. Yeah, 411 00:19:20,265 --> 00:19:21,745 Speaker 5: so have you heard this great podcast? 412 00:19:21,745 --> 00:19:22,625 Speaker 3: It's called You Beauty. 413 00:19:22,705 --> 00:19:25,225 Speaker 1: Now, I just I don't see a problem with borrowing 414 00:19:25,265 --> 00:19:28,065 Speaker 1: hands cream, although I completely agree why it would bother 415 00:19:28,105 --> 00:19:30,185 Speaker 1: you when it's an expensive one, So let's just swap 416 00:19:30,225 --> 00:19:30,505 Speaker 1: that out. 417 00:19:30,625 --> 00:19:32,265 Speaker 6: But they're blip bomb. 418 00:19:32,265 --> 00:19:35,745 Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, not okay, And that brings us to the 419 00:19:35,865 --> 00:19:38,665 Speaker 5: end of the fix. So we've basically solved everyone's problems 420 00:19:38,825 --> 00:19:41,145 Speaker 5: and if yeah. 421 00:19:40,745 --> 00:19:42,145 Speaker 3: Well we can't do everything. 422 00:19:43,785 --> 00:19:46,265 Speaker 1: But if you've got a dilemma that you want us 423 00:19:46,265 --> 00:19:49,705 Speaker 1: to fix, please send them in. You can email us 424 00:19:49,785 --> 00:19:51,985 Speaker 1: at you Beauty at momamea dot com. 425 00:19:51,985 --> 00:19:58,265 Speaker 6: Are you We'll see you next time. Bye.