1 00:00:08,234 --> 00:00:08,914 Speaker 1: You're listening to. 2 00:00:09,634 --> 00:00:16,954 Speaker 2: I'm am a Mia podcast. Makeup is My Therapy. 3 00:00:17,194 --> 00:00:20,194 Speaker 1: I'm in love, I'm obsess and I don't even feel 4 00:00:20,233 --> 00:00:20,994 Speaker 1: guilty about it. 5 00:00:24,554 --> 00:00:27,754 Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to you Beauty, the podcast for Your Face. 6 00:00:28,074 --> 00:00:31,994 Speaker 2: I'm Kelly mccaren and welcome to the formula. Every week 7 00:00:32,114 --> 00:00:35,994 Speaker 2: I chat to all sorts of celebrities, experts, and the 8 00:00:36,074 --> 00:00:39,513 Speaker 2: biggest names in beauty to take a sneak peek at 9 00:00:39,513 --> 00:00:44,313 Speaker 2: their skincare routines and see what's liking in their beauty cabinets. Today, 10 00:00:44,714 --> 00:00:50,233 Speaker 2: I'm joined by integrated facialist April Brody, with clinics across Sydney, 11 00:00:50,273 --> 00:00:55,114 Speaker 2: Melbourne and London boasting very extensive wait lists. She's a 12 00:00:55,114 --> 00:00:58,794 Speaker 2: beauty expert with over forty years of experience in the 13 00:00:58,794 --> 00:01:01,953 Speaker 2: beauty industry. We're getting into all of it, why she 14 00:01:02,074 --> 00:01:06,314 Speaker 2: swears by Korean's skincare, her cult treatments, and her recent 15 00:01:06,394 --> 00:01:11,074 Speaker 2: journey to care to have the viral Chris Jenna facelift. Now, 16 00:01:11,114 --> 00:01:14,034 Speaker 2: a little notes before we get started. Like all of 17 00:01:14,114 --> 00:01:18,114 Speaker 2: our expert interviews, this is an educational chat and is 18 00:01:18,194 --> 00:01:22,394 Speaker 2: not intended to replace professional medical advice. We always recommend 19 00:01:22,474 --> 00:01:27,234 Speaker 2: consulting a professional for personalized advice tailored to your individual needs. 20 00:01:27,514 --> 00:01:29,514 Speaker 2: So let's welcome April to the formula. 21 00:01:29,954 --> 00:01:31,874 Speaker 1: You are such beautiful skill. 22 00:01:32,034 --> 00:01:39,034 Speaker 2: But how April, welcome back to you, beauty. 23 00:01:39,274 --> 00:01:39,674 Speaker 1: Thank you. 24 00:01:40,274 --> 00:01:43,434 Speaker 2: We were just talking about how the last time we 25 00:01:43,554 --> 00:01:46,514 Speaker 2: chatted was in we don't really know exactly what it 26 00:01:46,594 --> 00:01:48,714 Speaker 2: was because it was in that weird COVID time and 27 00:01:49,274 --> 00:01:52,034 Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I interviewed you. This was obviously before 28 00:01:52,074 --> 00:01:55,834 Speaker 2: YouTube and the really professional studios, because I interviewed you 29 00:01:55,954 --> 00:01:58,314 Speaker 2: while you were doing a facial on me. 30 00:01:58,954 --> 00:02:01,474 Speaker 3: It was great, yeah, because we had the phone recording. 31 00:02:01,514 --> 00:02:03,354 Speaker 3: I remember you had some cute app and we had 32 00:02:03,354 --> 00:02:05,394 Speaker 3: the phone recording and you were like, can I record 33 00:02:05,474 --> 00:02:05,994 Speaker 3: this whole trip? 34 00:02:05,994 --> 00:02:07,474 Speaker 1: And I'm like, heah, hell yeah, and we did. It 35 00:02:07,554 --> 00:02:09,114 Speaker 1: was like set up just on your chest. 36 00:02:09,234 --> 00:02:14,274 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, it worked. But let's talk about well, 37 00:02:14,353 --> 00:02:17,154 Speaker 2: where things have gone over the past five years or 38 00:02:17,194 --> 00:02:20,554 Speaker 2: however ish long it's been. We will try to find 39 00:02:20,554 --> 00:02:22,714 Speaker 2: that episode. They'll on link it in the show notes 40 00:02:22,954 --> 00:02:26,354 Speaker 2: because it was a really great episode. From what I 41 00:02:26,434 --> 00:02:31,474 Speaker 2: can remember, you are big on Korean skincare. When you 42 00:02:31,594 --> 00:02:33,954 Speaker 2: do go to Korea, what do you do, like, what 43 00:02:33,994 --> 00:02:36,754 Speaker 2: are you looking for when you go shopping. Are there 44 00:02:36,754 --> 00:02:40,194 Speaker 2: any particular skin care products that you're obsessed with? Treatments. 45 00:02:40,234 --> 00:02:42,913 Speaker 2: I know that people go to Korea for treatments now. 46 00:02:42,794 --> 00:02:43,554 Speaker 1: One hundred percent. 47 00:02:43,754 --> 00:02:45,874 Speaker 3: I get off the plane and the first place I 48 00:02:45,954 --> 00:02:47,554 Speaker 3: head for is I head for the hair salon. 49 00:02:47,594 --> 00:02:48,794 Speaker 1: People think this is bizarre. 50 00:02:49,194 --> 00:02:51,714 Speaker 3: I go and have a scalp treatment and a hair treatment, 51 00:02:51,754 --> 00:02:53,674 Speaker 3: so they look at scalp and hair like we would 52 00:02:53,714 --> 00:02:56,434 Speaker 3: look at having a facial treatment. So they will diagnose 53 00:02:56,434 --> 00:02:59,474 Speaker 3: your scalp. Every hair sellon basically does it. They diagnose 54 00:02:59,474 --> 00:03:02,354 Speaker 3: your scalp, tell you what's wrong with your scalp. Mine's 55 00:03:02,394 --> 00:03:04,834 Speaker 3: normally got a week's worth of dry shampoo in it. 56 00:03:05,194 --> 00:03:07,434 Speaker 3: There's normally three different types of facials for this scalp, 57 00:03:07,674 --> 00:03:10,034 Speaker 3: and then three levels of facial for the hair. I'll 58 00:03:10,074 --> 00:03:12,354 Speaker 3: try and have one a week when I'm there, and 59 00:03:12,394 --> 00:03:14,274 Speaker 3: it normally takes to do both of them an hour 60 00:03:14,274 --> 00:03:16,394 Speaker 3: and a half. I just go to a normal shopping 61 00:03:16,434 --> 00:03:19,034 Speaker 3: center where the Koreans go. You sit in a chair. 62 00:03:19,474 --> 00:03:22,754 Speaker 3: It's amazing, and your hair and your scalp. There is 63 00:03:22,834 --> 00:03:26,074 Speaker 3: nothing like it in the world, and I don't understand 64 00:03:26,154 --> 00:03:28,234 Speaker 3: why we're not doing it here. So it's not the 65 00:03:28,234 --> 00:03:29,793 Speaker 3: same thing as when you go to one of those 66 00:03:29,874 --> 00:03:33,194 Speaker 3: head spar places in Sydney. No, No, this is a 67 00:03:33,234 --> 00:03:36,354 Speaker 3: full on hair treatment. They're actually treating your scalp and 68 00:03:36,394 --> 00:03:38,194 Speaker 3: then you can have a hair treatment as well, which 69 00:03:38,234 --> 00:03:41,594 Speaker 3: is like I'm talking about fifteen steps for each one, 70 00:03:41,634 --> 00:03:44,074 Speaker 3: and they'll be doing they call it scaling, which is 71 00:03:44,114 --> 00:03:48,954 Speaker 3: normally a peel treatment. Then they'll be doing hydration, a romotherapy, massage, mask, 72 00:03:49,834 --> 00:03:51,554 Speaker 3: they do like a gloss treatment on your hair. 73 00:03:51,634 --> 00:03:53,674 Speaker 1: They do like it's incredible. 74 00:03:53,434 --> 00:03:55,394 Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's amazing. Does it feel good too? 75 00:03:55,514 --> 00:03:56,954 Speaker 2: I love people touching and then. 76 00:03:56,874 --> 00:03:59,274 Speaker 3: You get a beautiful blowwave and here they just run 77 00:03:59,314 --> 00:04:00,754 Speaker 3: some water, do a bit of message. 78 00:04:00,754 --> 00:04:03,074 Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's not great, but it's not the same. No. 79 00:04:03,194 --> 00:04:06,634 Speaker 2: I treated myself to a Sydney based headspa last year 80 00:04:06,634 --> 00:04:09,194 Speaker 2: for my birth day. Never again. It was awful. I'm 81 00:04:09,194 --> 00:04:11,434 Speaker 2: sure that there are good ones, but it's too expensive 82 00:04:11,474 --> 00:04:14,914 Speaker 2: to risk another one. It was not good. What else? 83 00:04:14,954 --> 00:04:16,553 Speaker 2: What else? What are you doing? After the hasslon? 84 00:04:16,634 --> 00:04:19,394 Speaker 3: In Korea, I will normally book in to see the dermatologist, 85 00:04:19,753 --> 00:04:21,794 Speaker 3: have my skin looked after and have a look at 86 00:04:21,873 --> 00:04:24,594 Speaker 3: a plan and they will normally do something this time. 87 00:04:24,674 --> 00:04:26,674 Speaker 3: I've just come back about a week or two ago. 88 00:04:26,953 --> 00:04:30,154 Speaker 3: They looked at my skin post surgery. They gave me 89 00:04:30,193 --> 00:04:33,073 Speaker 3: a plan, so we did a laser treatment. They gave 90 00:04:33,154 --> 00:04:36,713 Speaker 3: me like the dermatology cligs will give you like a 91 00:04:36,714 --> 00:04:39,394 Speaker 3: proper facial. They'll give you like a hydrofacial. Beforehand, they 92 00:04:39,393 --> 00:04:42,674 Speaker 3: gave me a peel. I had the Beyonce drip. What's 93 00:04:42,714 --> 00:04:45,433 Speaker 3: that glue to thyro and drip in to brighten your skin. 94 00:04:45,834 --> 00:04:48,393 Speaker 3: I had a laser tining treatment titanium. To know that 95 00:04:48,433 --> 00:04:50,473 Speaker 3: you're having the proper treatment, they actually give you a 96 00:04:50,513 --> 00:04:53,514 Speaker 3: certificate saying you've had tittainum treatment today. This is how 97 00:04:53,513 --> 00:04:57,354 Speaker 3: many shots you had. And then I had what did 98 00:04:57,393 --> 00:04:59,873 Speaker 3: it happen? I had some infusion treatment. After that, I 99 00:04:59,993 --> 00:05:01,993 Speaker 3: was going to do a treatment course where I was 100 00:05:01,993 --> 00:05:04,274 Speaker 3: doing a lot of firm massage for a week, so 101 00:05:04,313 --> 00:05:06,633 Speaker 3: I couldn't do any injectibles, I couldn't do a lot 102 00:05:06,674 --> 00:05:09,274 Speaker 3: of other things, so I could only have that treatment. 103 00:05:09,433 --> 00:05:11,234 Speaker 1: And they were okay to do that at six months 104 00:05:11,274 --> 00:05:12,833 Speaker 1: out of the face lift. So it was pretty good. 105 00:05:13,274 --> 00:05:15,714 Speaker 2: So what's a titanium treatment though that you get a 106 00:05:15,753 --> 00:05:16,354 Speaker 2: certificate for. 107 00:05:16,714 --> 00:05:18,834 Speaker 3: It's like three different lasers in one. It's like a 108 00:05:18,914 --> 00:05:22,833 Speaker 3: lift lifting toning good for pigmentation. It's very good. I 109 00:05:22,993 --> 00:05:23,633 Speaker 3: was really good. 110 00:05:24,393 --> 00:05:27,474 Speaker 2: So you had a facelift six months ago. I always 111 00:05:27,513 --> 00:05:29,473 Speaker 2: imagine that it's like a really long recovery. 112 00:05:30,113 --> 00:05:33,154 Speaker 1: Look, it's not a long recovery. There definitely is a recovery. 113 00:05:33,633 --> 00:05:38,434 Speaker 2: So you are one of Australia's most recognized facialists. You're 114 00:05:38,474 --> 00:05:42,153 Speaker 2: famous for your book All Massage. Remember when we first 115 00:05:42,234 --> 00:05:44,194 Speaker 2: met that, I was like, is a buckle? Is it book? Call? 116 00:05:44,313 --> 00:05:48,553 Speaker 3: Like, it's buckle, buckle, buckle and in shoe shoe buckle 117 00:05:48,674 --> 00:05:51,354 Speaker 3: about the buckle pads. For years I wanted to be 118 00:05:51,393 --> 00:05:53,514 Speaker 3: like Higas and Bouquet called it buukhal, But it is 119 00:05:53,633 --> 00:05:55,033 Speaker 3: actually buckle. 120 00:05:55,794 --> 00:05:59,154 Speaker 2: Can you talk us through the experience and how it 121 00:05:59,234 --> 00:06:01,313 Speaker 2: can complement our skincare routines. 122 00:06:01,633 --> 00:06:04,993 Speaker 3: Okay, if you think that most muscles are attached to 123 00:06:05,034 --> 00:06:07,753 Speaker 3: a bone, when a muscle's contracted, is going to pull 124 00:06:07,753 --> 00:06:10,354 Speaker 3: on the muscle and bone beneath and above it. When 125 00:06:10,393 --> 00:06:14,433 Speaker 3: you release that tension, you get everything sitting better. So 126 00:06:14,513 --> 00:06:16,873 Speaker 3: when we look at the posture of the face, most 127 00:06:16,914 --> 00:06:19,154 Speaker 3: of our tensions coming from our neck, from the bottom 128 00:06:19,313 --> 00:06:22,474 Speaker 3: part of our face. When we release all of that tension, 129 00:06:22,674 --> 00:06:25,954 Speaker 3: you get that beautiful snatched up lift. And so there's 130 00:06:26,354 --> 00:06:29,034 Speaker 3: just here near the mouth area where the buckle pads are. 131 00:06:29,073 --> 00:06:31,634 Speaker 3: It's a junction of a lot of different muscles and tendons, 132 00:06:31,674 --> 00:06:34,553 Speaker 3: and when you release that tension, that's when you get 133 00:06:34,553 --> 00:06:37,193 Speaker 3: that snatched up lift. And the only reason you go 134 00:06:37,234 --> 00:06:40,674 Speaker 3: into the mouth is it's to position your hands to 135 00:06:40,714 --> 00:06:43,513 Speaker 3: be able to massage in those muscles. You're not massaging 136 00:06:43,553 --> 00:06:46,234 Speaker 3: the person's throat. Now you've had the treatment, it's not 137 00:06:46,354 --> 00:06:49,753 Speaker 3: like it's unusual and it can be a little bit uncomfortable, 138 00:06:49,794 --> 00:06:51,354 Speaker 3: but it's not unpleasant. 139 00:06:51,474 --> 00:06:53,834 Speaker 2: No, no, no, not at all. It's kind of like 140 00:06:53,914 --> 00:06:55,994 Speaker 2: I would say, it's almost a non event for what 141 00:06:56,073 --> 00:06:59,074 Speaker 2: you expect, like if you've never had one before, because 142 00:06:59,073 --> 00:07:01,394 Speaker 2: I've had a couple now. It's not unpleasant at all. 143 00:07:01,433 --> 00:07:03,234 Speaker 2: It's kind of just like part of it. It's not 144 00:07:03,354 --> 00:07:04,793 Speaker 2: the best part of it, but it's fine. 145 00:07:05,073 --> 00:07:05,313 Speaker 1: Yeah. 146 00:07:05,714 --> 00:07:07,314 Speaker 2: The worst part of it is the smell of the 147 00:07:07,354 --> 00:07:08,553 Speaker 2: latex gloves in your mouth. 148 00:07:08,633 --> 00:07:10,673 Speaker 1: Well, you can't have latex. You're supposed to be actually 149 00:07:10,794 --> 00:07:13,273 Speaker 1: using vinyl because people have allergies. 150 00:07:12,834 --> 00:07:14,554 Speaker 2: To latex, or maybe it's vinyl. 151 00:07:14,794 --> 00:07:16,994 Speaker 3: They should always use vinyl. It should be non powdered. 152 00:07:17,434 --> 00:07:20,234 Speaker 3: Really are traditionally supposed to use a vinyl. I think 153 00:07:20,274 --> 00:07:22,153 Speaker 3: it's the fact that someone's gloved up and going in 154 00:07:22,194 --> 00:07:22,514 Speaker 3: your mouth. 155 00:07:22,634 --> 00:07:26,194 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost like you'd rather just fingers because you 156 00:07:26,234 --> 00:07:30,033 Speaker 2: would obviously like the hygien reasons, but like like that's 157 00:07:30,114 --> 00:07:33,434 Speaker 2: the worst part that it's like gloved surgeon hands going. 158 00:07:34,714 --> 00:07:38,074 Speaker 2: But yeah, it's absolutely fine. And the release. You don't 159 00:07:38,114 --> 00:07:41,074 Speaker 2: realize how much tension you hold there, No, you don't. 160 00:07:41,114 --> 00:07:44,033 Speaker 3: And particularly people that talk professionally for a living, people 161 00:07:44,034 --> 00:07:46,953 Speaker 3: that seeing actors and a lot of people talk professionally 162 00:07:46,994 --> 00:07:48,994 Speaker 3: like they're in sales and you know they're talking to 163 00:07:49,034 --> 00:07:52,234 Speaker 3: big teams of people, they notice a huge release. 164 00:07:53,154 --> 00:07:57,274 Speaker 2: Yeah, like me, someone who loves to talk. You also 165 00:07:57,474 --> 00:08:01,674 Speaker 2: do be Venom facials. Please talk to us about this. 166 00:08:01,874 --> 00:08:03,874 Speaker 2: Apparently it's like a face left in a jar. 167 00:08:04,194 --> 00:08:05,713 Speaker 3: That's a stretch. A face lift in a jar is 168 00:08:05,714 --> 00:08:07,274 Speaker 3: a bit of a stretch. And we've come along way 169 00:08:07,314 --> 00:08:09,754 Speaker 3: since this product's been developed. So when we say a facelift, 170 00:08:09,754 --> 00:08:12,274 Speaker 3: now have a huge expectation they're wanting to walk out 171 00:08:12,274 --> 00:08:13,074 Speaker 3: looking like Christian. 172 00:08:13,234 --> 00:08:15,234 Speaker 1: I mean, let's be clear, No cream can ever do that. 173 00:08:15,354 --> 00:08:17,994 Speaker 3: Yes, but bavenom therapy has been used for thousands of years. 174 00:08:18,034 --> 00:08:20,114 Speaker 3: We go back to ancient Egypt. You look it all 175 00:08:20,154 --> 00:08:22,634 Speaker 3: the way through time and you look at Eastern European people. 176 00:08:22,874 --> 00:08:25,593 Speaker 3: They would often go into the garden sting themselves with 177 00:08:25,714 --> 00:08:29,674 Speaker 3: bees to help heal themselves. Wild isn't it seeing themselves 178 00:08:29,674 --> 00:08:32,394 Speaker 3: with bees to help with arthritis? And so the woman 179 00:08:32,434 --> 00:08:35,074 Speaker 3: that thought of this treatment is a beauty therapist. She 180 00:08:35,234 --> 00:08:37,554 Speaker 3: comes out of the UK and I had met her 181 00:08:37,594 --> 00:08:40,314 Speaker 3: in the UK. She became famous doing a lot of 182 00:08:40,314 --> 00:08:44,274 Speaker 3: the royals. So she used this theory to put into cream. 183 00:08:44,434 --> 00:08:47,514 Speaker 3: And so what happens is it increases the microcirculation of 184 00:08:47,594 --> 00:08:50,233 Speaker 3: the skin, plumps the skin up. Is that this beautiful 185 00:08:50,674 --> 00:08:54,114 Speaker 3: almost filtered look. It's got a specific massage that goes 186 00:08:54,154 --> 00:08:57,314 Speaker 3: with it and gives you this beautiful, lifted, glowy sort 187 00:08:57,354 --> 00:08:59,514 Speaker 3: of filtered look. I would say, I don't like to 188 00:08:59,514 --> 00:09:01,754 Speaker 3: say a facelift in a giant that They do say that, 189 00:09:01,834 --> 00:09:02,474 Speaker 3: but I'm. 190 00:09:02,314 --> 00:09:03,354 Speaker 1: Not keen on that. 191 00:09:03,674 --> 00:09:04,674 Speaker 2: Does it sting a bit? 192 00:09:04,834 --> 00:09:04,954 Speaker 1: No? 193 00:09:04,994 --> 00:09:06,674 Speaker 3: It's not sting, And I think that's what people think. 194 00:09:06,714 --> 00:09:08,714 Speaker 3: They have, This huge expectations is going to be no 195 00:09:08,794 --> 00:09:10,434 Speaker 3: stinging at all. They've taken a portion of the b 196 00:09:10,634 --> 00:09:13,114 Speaker 3: venom and manufactured it into a cream and they call 197 00:09:13,154 --> 00:09:14,194 Speaker 3: it arbitoxin. 198 00:09:14,594 --> 00:09:17,434 Speaker 2: Yeah, and which one would you say then that the 199 00:09:17,554 --> 00:09:20,514 Speaker 2: buckle facial still gives you the best result? 200 00:09:20,594 --> 00:09:22,754 Speaker 1: Then one million trillion percent. 201 00:09:22,874 --> 00:09:24,714 Speaker 3: Yes, But the b venom is good if you don't 202 00:09:24,714 --> 00:09:26,674 Speaker 3: want fingers in your mouth, if you if you wanted 203 00:09:26,714 --> 00:09:29,154 Speaker 3: to give your aunt or your mama luxury treatment and 204 00:09:29,154 --> 00:09:31,234 Speaker 3: you thought they were going to freak out with the buckle, 205 00:09:31,754 --> 00:09:33,634 Speaker 3: or it's a good step up if you think I 206 00:09:33,914 --> 00:09:35,594 Speaker 3: really want to get to know her before I have 207 00:09:35,714 --> 00:09:36,354 Speaker 3: that treatment. 208 00:09:36,474 --> 00:09:37,474 Speaker 1: Yes, incredible. 209 00:09:37,554 --> 00:09:48,554 Speaker 2: Okay, So, as we mentioned, you have had a Chris 210 00:09:48,634 --> 00:09:53,994 Speaker 2: Jenner facelift and you've been talking about it on your Instagram. 211 00:09:54,394 --> 00:09:57,714 Speaker 2: So after spending the last few decades working with skin 212 00:09:57,794 --> 00:10:01,314 Speaker 2: looking after your own, what did lead for decades? 213 00:10:01,354 --> 00:10:04,074 Speaker 1: Four decades for decades? Wow? 214 00:10:04,514 --> 00:10:07,754 Speaker 2: What did lead you to that deceas? Did you have 215 00:10:07,834 --> 00:10:09,914 Speaker 2: any reservations about sharing it online? 216 00:10:09,994 --> 00:10:12,234 Speaker 3: I was like I would look in the mirror and 217 00:10:12,314 --> 00:10:14,994 Speaker 3: I would feel like a different person to the woman 218 00:10:14,994 --> 00:10:16,754 Speaker 3: that I was looking at. And I had a really 219 00:10:16,794 --> 00:10:20,274 Speaker 3: bad menopause, Like it was a really traumatic menopause. I 220 00:10:20,314 --> 00:10:22,874 Speaker 3: had every symptom you could possibly have, and I felt 221 00:10:22,954 --> 00:10:26,434 Speaker 3: like I'd aged exponentially. I told everyone I was having one, 222 00:10:26,674 --> 00:10:29,074 Speaker 3: but I don't think anyone thought I would actually go 223 00:10:29,154 --> 00:10:30,914 Speaker 3: through with it, and I just got to say, that's it. 224 00:10:30,994 --> 00:10:31,994 Speaker 1: I'm having it done. 225 00:10:32,474 --> 00:10:34,634 Speaker 3: And I knew that I wanted it done in Korea 226 00:10:34,794 --> 00:10:38,834 Speaker 3: because I knew that the techniques there were the best 227 00:10:38,954 --> 00:10:41,074 Speaker 3: that suited me and my needs, and I knew that 228 00:10:41,114 --> 00:10:43,754 Speaker 3: it was a first world country, so that anything went wrong, 229 00:10:44,114 --> 00:10:46,074 Speaker 3: I have a lung condition, so if anything went wrong, 230 00:10:46,154 --> 00:10:50,034 Speaker 3: I'd be okay. I've been safe hands. So people did 231 00:10:50,154 --> 00:10:52,874 Speaker 3: know I was having it done, but I wasn't openly 232 00:10:52,954 --> 00:10:55,114 Speaker 3: telling people. If people asked why I was going to career, 233 00:10:55,154 --> 00:10:58,314 Speaker 3: I would quietly tell them. A small group of people knew, 234 00:10:58,754 --> 00:11:00,953 Speaker 3: and then I wasn't sure whether I would share it. 235 00:11:01,074 --> 00:11:03,554 Speaker 3: And then I remember talking to a friend and saying, 236 00:11:03,914 --> 00:11:06,434 Speaker 3: should I post it? And she was like, you're very 237 00:11:06,474 --> 00:11:08,554 Speaker 3: open online, and I think you should, and I was like, 238 00:11:08,594 --> 00:11:10,074 Speaker 3: oh my god, people are going to come for me. 239 00:11:10,114 --> 00:11:11,434 Speaker 1: It's going to be horrific. 240 00:11:12,034 --> 00:11:14,434 Speaker 3: And I remember being in Korea and I can't remember 241 00:11:14,474 --> 00:11:16,874 Speaker 3: what day it was, and I remember posting it, and 242 00:11:16,914 --> 00:11:18,713 Speaker 3: I remember just thinking I can take it down. I 243 00:11:18,754 --> 00:11:20,714 Speaker 3: can just take it down. If it's really bad, I 244 00:11:20,714 --> 00:11:24,274 Speaker 3: can take it down. And it just was a complete opposite, 245 00:11:24,394 --> 00:11:25,674 Speaker 3: and so I just kept sharing. 246 00:11:26,194 --> 00:11:28,874 Speaker 2: I think that, of course, there are some people that 247 00:11:28,914 --> 00:11:30,874 Speaker 2: are always going to get cranky about different things, but 248 00:11:30,874 --> 00:11:34,074 Speaker 2: I would say that the majority of people, especially on 249 00:11:34,114 --> 00:11:36,874 Speaker 2: a platform like Instagram, where it's people that have sort 250 00:11:36,874 --> 00:11:38,754 Speaker 2: of opted in to follow you, they know you, they 251 00:11:38,754 --> 00:11:43,074 Speaker 2: know what your brand is, and people appreciate honesty rather 252 00:11:43,154 --> 00:11:46,954 Speaker 2: than you all of a sudden looking really different, and 253 00:11:47,034 --> 00:11:49,834 Speaker 2: everyone's kind of like, she hasn't she. 254 00:11:50,314 --> 00:11:51,714 Speaker 3: There's no way I could have hitden it like my 255 00:11:51,794 --> 00:11:54,714 Speaker 3: eyes were pulled so so tired, I was puffy. There's 256 00:11:54,714 --> 00:11:56,794 Speaker 3: no way I would have had to have had six 257 00:11:56,834 --> 00:11:58,674 Speaker 3: months of content. There's no possible way. 258 00:11:59,234 --> 00:12:02,194 Speaker 2: What was a downtime like, I imagine a few weeks. 259 00:12:02,634 --> 00:12:03,874 Speaker 1: I had two weeks in career. 260 00:12:03,954 --> 00:12:06,634 Speaker 3: You cannot fly for two weeks, so I had two 261 00:12:06,674 --> 00:12:08,554 Speaker 3: weeks in care I was panicking that when I came 262 00:12:08,594 --> 00:12:11,394 Speaker 3: back through the biometrics of my passport that they would 263 00:12:11,394 --> 00:12:12,754 Speaker 3: pull me up and then I would have to go 264 00:12:12,794 --> 00:12:16,154 Speaker 3: into this long explanation of well I went and I 265 00:12:16,154 --> 00:12:17,994 Speaker 3: had a facelift, and I could seek just sort Oh 266 00:12:18,034 --> 00:12:19,794 Speaker 3: my god, people are going to be judgmental, They're going 267 00:12:19,874 --> 00:12:20,434 Speaker 3: to look at me. 268 00:12:20,594 --> 00:12:22,874 Speaker 1: I had a special letter saying that I'd had facial 269 00:12:23,034 --> 00:12:24,713 Speaker 1: surgery from the Koreans. 270 00:12:26,114 --> 00:12:28,794 Speaker 3: It was I was actually a bit disappointed when I 271 00:12:28,474 --> 00:12:29,674 Speaker 3: was at my face. 272 00:12:30,114 --> 00:12:34,314 Speaker 2: Yes, I know of people that have been questioned and 273 00:12:34,394 --> 00:12:36,514 Speaker 2: all the difference, like they had makeup on when they 274 00:12:36,554 --> 00:12:39,314 Speaker 2: went and got their sport photos. And then you know, 275 00:12:39,354 --> 00:12:40,394 Speaker 2: going back through. 276 00:12:40,314 --> 00:12:42,674 Speaker 3: The reason I had the extra week off was I 277 00:12:42,714 --> 00:12:45,954 Speaker 3: was exhausted. Was exhaust I just had no energy. And 278 00:12:45,954 --> 00:12:48,554 Speaker 3: they say it's because your body goes into this cascade 279 00:12:48,594 --> 00:12:51,154 Speaker 3: of healing, but it was only for the energy. 280 00:12:51,274 --> 00:12:53,034 Speaker 1: I had three weeks off work and then I was fine. 281 00:12:53,194 --> 00:12:55,994 Speaker 2: How does a facelift work these days? Like I think 282 00:12:56,034 --> 00:12:58,194 Speaker 2: that none of us really know what it involves. We 283 00:12:58,314 --> 00:13:02,234 Speaker 2: just think of some barbaric procedure that maybe happened fifty 284 00:13:02,274 --> 00:13:04,674 Speaker 2: years ago, where they just like pull everything and then 285 00:13:04,794 --> 00:13:06,674 Speaker 2: staple it to the back of your head. 286 00:13:06,914 --> 00:13:09,434 Speaker 3: So years ago they would pull everything and it'd be 287 00:13:09,514 --> 00:13:11,554 Speaker 3: so tight. Think of Lucille Ball. It was that sort 288 00:13:11,594 --> 00:13:13,794 Speaker 3: of like a that wind tunnel look. And the techniques 289 00:13:13,834 --> 00:13:17,634 Speaker 3: have changed now they use deeper techniques, they use endoscopes. 290 00:13:17,994 --> 00:13:21,034 Speaker 3: The Koreans do not use general anesthetic, and the Americans 291 00:13:21,034 --> 00:13:23,514 Speaker 3: are moving on to this model as well. So they 292 00:13:23,514 --> 00:13:27,034 Speaker 3: put you under twilight. You're completely out, you can't feel anything, 293 00:13:27,354 --> 00:13:29,794 Speaker 3: and you wake up like it's a general anesthetic. But 294 00:13:29,874 --> 00:13:32,154 Speaker 3: they feel that seven and a half hours of surgery 295 00:13:32,354 --> 00:13:35,674 Speaker 3: is too long to be under a general anesthetic and 296 00:13:35,714 --> 00:13:37,474 Speaker 3: it affects your healing process. 297 00:13:37,914 --> 00:13:40,794 Speaker 2: Oh so then after because we see that sometimes when 298 00:13:40,834 --> 00:13:43,674 Speaker 2: people get it done and it looks fantastic for a 299 00:13:43,714 --> 00:13:46,154 Speaker 2: little while, but then everything all of a sudden just drops. 300 00:13:46,394 --> 00:13:49,114 Speaker 3: Yes, the problem is that people don't look after their 301 00:13:49,114 --> 00:13:52,074 Speaker 3: face lift quite often. And I actually did talk about 302 00:13:52,074 --> 00:13:53,834 Speaker 3: this with the Koreans when I was there, that a 303 00:13:53,874 --> 00:13:56,714 Speaker 3: lot of people will go to sunny destinations and they'll 304 00:13:56,714 --> 00:13:58,514 Speaker 3: have a facelift and then they'll be in the sun. 305 00:13:59,034 --> 00:14:02,714 Speaker 3: The Koreans are horrified that you would not preserve your face. 306 00:14:02,994 --> 00:14:05,474 Speaker 3: They expect that you're doing laser treatment and you're actually, 307 00:14:05,674 --> 00:14:07,914 Speaker 3: you know, really looking after your skins and looking after 308 00:14:07,954 --> 00:14:12,314 Speaker 3: their surgery. But they are horrified at any sin of sunlight. 309 00:14:12,514 --> 00:14:14,234 Speaker 3: Completely horrified. Yeah. 310 00:14:14,274 --> 00:14:17,034 Speaker 2: Wow, So what sort of treatments do you do? Now, 311 00:14:17,154 --> 00:14:18,754 Speaker 2: like I know that you're doing some when you go 312 00:14:19,274 --> 00:14:22,594 Speaker 2: back to Korea, but just in your general life. So 313 00:14:22,794 --> 00:14:25,634 Speaker 2: in my general life now, I want to have some 314 00:14:25,794 --> 00:14:28,274 Speaker 2: CO two laser. I wanted to have CO two laser 315 00:14:28,594 --> 00:14:31,954 Speaker 2: when I had my surgery because the Australians, the Brits, 316 00:14:32,354 --> 00:14:35,394 Speaker 2: basically the Europeans, the Americans will do the CO two 317 00:14:35,474 --> 00:14:37,554 Speaker 2: laser and your face lift at the same time, so 318 00:14:37,594 --> 00:14:41,114 Speaker 2: you've got this massive down time and then it's all 319 00:14:41,154 --> 00:14:44,394 Speaker 2: over and done with. The Koreans are horrified and will 320 00:14:44,434 --> 00:14:46,394 Speaker 2: never do that. They just think that's awful. 321 00:14:46,634 --> 00:14:49,154 Speaker 3: They'll do injectables at the same time as a facelift, 322 00:14:49,594 --> 00:14:51,954 Speaker 3: but they will not do laser at all, and they're 323 00:14:51,954 --> 00:14:54,234 Speaker 3: not being gone COEO two laser at all. They do 324 00:14:54,274 --> 00:14:56,474 Speaker 3: a mild one. But I want to have the lip 325 00:14:56,514 --> 00:15:00,154 Speaker 3: lines done because just genetically I have that issue and 326 00:15:00,194 --> 00:15:01,914 Speaker 3: so the only proper way to really treat that is 327 00:15:01,954 --> 00:15:03,554 Speaker 3: to treat it with the CO two laser. 328 00:15:04,194 --> 00:15:06,754 Speaker 2: I would love to try that for the pigmentation, but 329 00:15:06,834 --> 00:15:09,554 Speaker 2: I just can't commit to that. That terrifies me. And 330 00:15:09,594 --> 00:15:12,154 Speaker 2: I watched the videos. People say it's not as bad 331 00:15:12,154 --> 00:15:14,514 Speaker 2: as it looks like. It's not that painful, but it 332 00:15:14,594 --> 00:15:17,034 Speaker 2: just looks so painful. 333 00:15:17,314 --> 00:15:20,354 Speaker 3: Anyone I know who's had it done says it is uncomfortable. 334 00:15:20,514 --> 00:15:24,354 Speaker 3: I'm very confronting. It's very confronting, and I don't know. 335 00:15:24,794 --> 00:15:25,834 Speaker 3: Let me watch this space. 336 00:15:25,914 --> 00:15:28,114 Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll get back to me on this. We'll get 337 00:15:28,114 --> 00:15:36,514 Speaker 2: you back after that. Do you have an opinion on 338 00:15:36,754 --> 00:15:42,994 Speaker 2: people being honest about tweakments, surgeries, any cosmetic enhancements, because 339 00:15:43,914 --> 00:15:47,394 Speaker 2: you know, you decided to be open about it and 340 00:15:47,634 --> 00:15:49,794 Speaker 2: the result was actually good, even though you were worried 341 00:15:49,834 --> 00:15:52,514 Speaker 2: that people might be really awful and judgmental. Do you 342 00:15:52,554 --> 00:15:55,234 Speaker 2: think that people should or shouldn't. 343 00:15:55,634 --> 00:15:56,914 Speaker 1: I think it's each to their own. 344 00:15:57,034 --> 00:16:00,554 Speaker 3: I get really disappointed when I hear people saying, oh. 345 00:16:00,474 --> 00:16:03,754 Speaker 1: I use olive oil. Oh it was the silk pillow case. 346 00:16:04,234 --> 00:16:04,674 Speaker 1: It was that. 347 00:16:05,274 --> 00:16:08,554 Speaker 3: I mean, say nothing, yeah, other than saying something. And 348 00:16:08,594 --> 00:16:11,674 Speaker 3: then what happens is, you know, you look at your 349 00:16:11,754 --> 00:16:14,434 Speaker 3: idols when you're younger, and you're like, what's you know? 350 00:16:14,514 --> 00:16:16,754 Speaker 3: As women, we do question this even though we're not 351 00:16:16,794 --> 00:16:18,874 Speaker 3: supposed to do this self talk and you look at 352 00:16:19,074 --> 00:16:19,874 Speaker 3: what's wrong with me? 353 00:16:20,154 --> 00:16:20,394 Speaker 1: Why? 354 00:16:20,754 --> 00:16:20,954 Speaker 3: You know? 355 00:16:21,714 --> 00:16:25,634 Speaker 1: You know, swim, I do good skincare? Eat? 356 00:16:26,314 --> 00:16:29,194 Speaker 3: Yeah, I eat well, wife, don't I look like that. 357 00:16:29,594 --> 00:16:31,794 Speaker 3: I think that's when it's sad. But I think you 358 00:16:31,834 --> 00:16:33,874 Speaker 3: can be discreet and you don't have to tell anyone. 359 00:16:34,154 --> 00:16:37,354 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, you don't have to say anything. So 360 00:16:37,834 --> 00:16:40,914 Speaker 2: can we get into your personal skincare routine? So walk 361 00:16:40,994 --> 00:16:43,954 Speaker 2: us through what you do in the morning and at nighttime? 362 00:16:44,314 --> 00:16:47,434 Speaker 3: Okay, So I am always trying stuff, which I'm sure 363 00:16:47,434 --> 00:16:49,634 Speaker 3: you're the same you always. I mean, I will always 364 00:16:49,674 --> 00:16:51,914 Speaker 3: come back to rational and I love and breathe and 365 00:16:51,954 --> 00:16:54,674 Speaker 3: love my rationale. It like it's my ride or die. 366 00:16:54,954 --> 00:16:58,154 Speaker 3: But I also do do try stuff because if you're 367 00:16:58,194 --> 00:17:00,394 Speaker 3: not trying stuff, you don't evolve. 368 00:17:00,074 --> 00:17:02,714 Speaker 1: You don't know what's happening. So I have exactly at 369 00:17:02,714 --> 00:17:05,513 Speaker 1: the moment, I'm using some Harrow Harraw Wonder, which is 370 00:17:05,513 --> 00:17:07,434 Speaker 1: a product that I don't think is available here. 371 00:17:07,513 --> 00:17:10,234 Speaker 3: My friend actually works for them. It has done some 372 00:17:10,273 --> 00:17:12,354 Speaker 3: work for them in the States, and he was with 373 00:17:12,434 --> 00:17:14,474 Speaker 3: me in career and he comes with this big bag. 374 00:17:14,514 --> 00:17:16,033 Speaker 1: Here you go, gorgeous. Try this. 375 00:17:16,394 --> 00:17:18,793 Speaker 3: So I've been using that with some Redurance skincare. So 376 00:17:18,954 --> 00:17:20,994 Speaker 3: in the morning, I water cleanse. 377 00:17:21,394 --> 00:17:22,634 Speaker 1: I will not use a cleanser. 378 00:17:23,394 --> 00:17:26,314 Speaker 3: I cleanse at the basin, which means I would massage 379 00:17:26,354 --> 00:17:28,874 Speaker 3: with water and then I take that off with the 380 00:17:28,914 --> 00:17:32,834 Speaker 3: micro fivecloth. Then I will use a serum. I use 381 00:17:32,874 --> 00:17:36,834 Speaker 3: the Goal of the Youth serum in the duram. Then 382 00:17:36,994 --> 00:17:42,074 Speaker 3: I apply the Harrow Harrow Wonder Pepti cream. Then this 383 00:17:42,474 --> 00:17:46,754 Speaker 3: incredible that I am loving Primer Harrow Arawanda, which is 384 00:17:46,874 --> 00:17:50,634 Speaker 3: a primer and fifty plus in one. It is my dream, 385 00:17:52,274 --> 00:17:56,313 Speaker 3: it is so good. And then I would apply my 386 00:17:56,394 --> 00:17:59,074 Speaker 3: makeup on top of that. Then at nighttime I will 387 00:17:59,154 --> 00:18:02,994 Speaker 3: sheet mask five times a week and probably use an 388 00:18:02,994 --> 00:18:05,073 Speaker 3: overnight mask twice a week. 389 00:18:05,354 --> 00:18:08,234 Speaker 1: I'll use some of retinol. 390 00:18:07,954 --> 00:18:11,553 Speaker 3: Whether it's A three one three, the French one or 391 00:18:11,714 --> 00:18:14,793 Speaker 3: the Polish one I've been using because I just was 392 00:18:14,834 --> 00:18:17,514 Speaker 3: in Europe just recently. And then on top of that, 393 00:18:17,634 --> 00:18:20,634 Speaker 3: I've been using a pepti cream, a pharmacy peptipe cream 394 00:18:20,674 --> 00:18:23,154 Speaker 3: I think it's called Doctor PDRN. And then I do 395 00:18:23,234 --> 00:18:25,674 Speaker 3: a double cleans at night time. I'm meticulous on the cleansing. 396 00:18:25,794 --> 00:18:28,074 Speaker 2: Yeah, you made a point about not cleansing in the 397 00:18:28,114 --> 00:18:29,314 Speaker 2: morning just with water. 398 00:18:29,394 --> 00:18:31,793 Speaker 3: Why is that okay? So the creams never cleanse in 399 00:18:31,794 --> 00:18:34,074 Speaker 3: the morning. They believed to protect your barrier. It's also 400 00:18:34,114 --> 00:18:37,234 Speaker 3: an old school French method. I learned it probably in 401 00:18:37,274 --> 00:18:40,513 Speaker 3: the nineteen eighties when I first started work, didn't believe 402 00:18:40,554 --> 00:18:42,674 Speaker 3: it and just ignored gnaud it. But then my skin 403 00:18:42,754 --> 00:18:44,994 Speaker 3: was much oilier and as an oily skin, I would 404 00:18:44,994 --> 00:18:47,554 Speaker 3: suggest that you do cleanse in the morning. And then 405 00:18:47,714 --> 00:18:50,234 Speaker 3: before I started using Rationale Rationale believe it as well. 406 00:18:50,314 --> 00:18:52,714 Speaker 3: So I was like, everybody's on the bandwagon. I'm going 407 00:18:52,754 --> 00:18:54,914 Speaker 3: to start this and not cleanse in the morning and 408 00:18:54,954 --> 00:18:57,114 Speaker 3: do the water cleanse game changer. 409 00:18:58,274 --> 00:19:02,754 Speaker 2: I also remember you, and I can't exactly remember why, 410 00:19:03,474 --> 00:19:07,794 Speaker 2: because clearly I didn't listen, but you we're talking about 411 00:19:07,834 --> 00:19:09,714 Speaker 2: why I shouldn't be cleansing in the shower. 412 00:19:09,994 --> 00:19:12,114 Speaker 3: Well, you can cleanse in the shower, but you're one 413 00:19:12,154 --> 00:19:14,474 Speaker 3: hundred percent right. What happens is people cleans let the 414 00:19:14,474 --> 00:19:17,194 Speaker 3: water of the shower run on their face. It affects 415 00:19:17,234 --> 00:19:21,834 Speaker 3: the barrier of your skin. Yes, So it's sometimes it's 416 00:19:21,874 --> 00:19:24,434 Speaker 3: not about what you're doing, it's how you're doing it. 417 00:19:24,634 --> 00:19:27,553 Speaker 2: Yes. And also is it because people tend to have 418 00:19:27,634 --> 00:19:29,874 Speaker 2: really hot showers and we don't want hot water on 419 00:19:29,914 --> 00:19:30,314 Speaker 2: our face. 420 00:19:30,674 --> 00:19:30,914 Speaker 1: Yes. 421 00:19:30,994 --> 00:19:32,914 Speaker 3: And also too, they don't take the cleanser off, so 422 00:19:32,954 --> 00:19:34,874 Speaker 3: they just splash the cleanser off and have the cleanses 423 00:19:34,954 --> 00:19:35,514 Speaker 3: left on their face. 424 00:19:35,674 --> 00:19:37,114 Speaker 2: Yes, okay, yep, that makes sense. 425 00:19:37,154 --> 00:19:37,793 Speaker 1: I did. 426 00:19:38,274 --> 00:19:40,194 Speaker 2: I was like, we definitely talked about cleansing before. 427 00:19:40,354 --> 00:19:44,034 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm glad I've had an impact. Well, someone's listening. 428 00:19:44,314 --> 00:19:46,434 Speaker 2: Yes I have. But as I said, I didn't, like 429 00:19:46,474 --> 00:19:48,313 Speaker 2: I do still do it in the shower sometimes, but 430 00:19:48,434 --> 00:19:50,714 Speaker 2: it's funny. I do think of you when I'm doing it. 431 00:19:50,754 --> 00:19:54,314 Speaker 3: I'll be like, oh, you can let the water, you 432 00:19:54,354 --> 00:19:55,874 Speaker 3: can let the water run on the back of your 433 00:19:55,914 --> 00:19:57,594 Speaker 3: head and then just not put it on your face. 434 00:19:57,674 --> 00:20:03,314 Speaker 2: Yeah. What's one skincare technique or ingredient that you absolutely 435 00:20:03,594 --> 00:20:05,754 Speaker 2: love and recommend to everyone? 436 00:20:06,034 --> 00:20:06,394 Speaker 1: Cleanse? 437 00:20:06,514 --> 00:20:08,714 Speaker 3: You have to and you have to cleanse properly. If 438 00:20:08,754 --> 00:20:12,314 Speaker 3: you don't cleanse properly, it doesn't matter how expensive, how beautiful, 439 00:20:12,434 --> 00:20:16,074 Speaker 3: or how long this massive ingredient, you know, step program 440 00:20:16,114 --> 00:20:18,514 Speaker 3: that you've got afterwards you're using, you are not going 441 00:20:18,514 --> 00:20:21,154 Speaker 3: to get optimability. It's like going to the gym and 442 00:20:21,194 --> 00:20:24,634 Speaker 3: then eating fast food daily if you don't cleanse properly. Yeah, 443 00:20:24,714 --> 00:20:25,194 Speaker 3: I love that. 444 00:20:25,634 --> 00:20:28,674 Speaker 2: And on the flip side, what is a skincare trend 445 00:20:28,754 --> 00:20:30,793 Speaker 2: or ingredient that you sort of see everywhere, and that 446 00:20:30,834 --> 00:20:32,714 Speaker 2: you think, oh gosh, I just don't think it's worth it. 447 00:20:32,954 --> 00:20:36,553 Speaker 3: I think exfoliation is great, but I think if you 448 00:20:36,554 --> 00:20:39,754 Speaker 3: had to miss one step out, I think too much exfoliation. 449 00:20:40,514 --> 00:20:43,834 Speaker 3: And then the TikTok trend, and we're talking about things. 450 00:20:43,834 --> 00:20:46,874 Speaker 3: I hated the conjuring of some block trend when that 451 00:20:47,074 --> 00:20:49,634 Speaker 3: was that was trending the what can you remember that 452 00:20:49,674 --> 00:20:53,114 Speaker 3: when they were conjuring with some block so you would 453 00:20:53,154 --> 00:20:55,274 Speaker 3: be brown here. I don't want to be brown here 454 00:20:55,354 --> 00:20:56,954 Speaker 3: and just conjuring with your some block. 455 00:20:57,274 --> 00:20:59,714 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. I okay, this is the gift of 456 00:20:59,714 --> 00:21:02,794 Speaker 2: the algorithm. Sometimes I completely missed that, which is for 457 00:21:02,914 --> 00:21:04,754 Speaker 2: the best, because it would have made me very cranky 458 00:21:04,794 --> 00:21:06,994 Speaker 2: if I'd seen videos of people doing that then influencing 459 00:21:07,154 --> 00:21:10,474 Speaker 2: other people to do that. Oh my goodness. It's like 460 00:21:10,514 --> 00:21:12,394 Speaker 2: the suntan lines, like why. 461 00:21:12,354 --> 00:21:14,874 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't get it, bye, would you? I don't 462 00:21:14,954 --> 00:21:16,194 Speaker 1: understand me either. 463 00:21:17,354 --> 00:21:20,274 Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much. It has been so lovely 464 00:21:20,314 --> 00:21:22,714 Speaker 2: to catch up, and thank you so much for sharing 465 00:21:22,754 --> 00:21:26,474 Speaker 2: so candidly. It's it's always very refreshing. 466 00:21:26,834 --> 00:21:28,594 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. It's so love 467 00:21:28,674 --> 00:21:30,474 Speaker 1: to catch up. We mustn't leave it so. 468 00:21:30,514 --> 00:21:33,034 Speaker 2: Longly, No exactly, and next time I'll you know, I'll 469 00:21:33,034 --> 00:21:36,874 Speaker 2: want your fingers in my mouth again anytime. Well, that's 470 00:21:36,994 --> 00:21:40,474 Speaker 2: it for today. Thank you so much for listening to you, beauty. 471 00:21:40,794 --> 00:21:43,874 Speaker 2: Make sure you're following us on Instagram and TikTok, and 472 00:21:43,914 --> 00:21:46,754 Speaker 2: you can watch this and many more episodes on our 473 00:21:46,834 --> 00:21:50,234 Speaker 2: amazing YouTube channel. 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