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Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Mama Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters

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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on Hi Friends, it's Lee here.

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Speaker 2: Did you know I sometimes do a little challenge called

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Speaker 2: make it Effort Monday. I just like to make a

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Speaker 2: bit more of an effort with my appearance on a Monday,

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Speaker 2: so it's not so boring and bleak. And I thought

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Speaker 2: you might want to listen to this episode if you

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Speaker 2: also want to make an effort on Monday, if not

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Speaker 2: only with your outfit, but with your face as well.

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Speaker 1: Makeup is my therapy.

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm obsessed and I don't even feel guilty a body. Hello,

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Speaker 2: and welcome to you Beauty the Daily podcast for your Face.

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Speaker 2: I'm Lee Campbell.

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Speaker 1: I'm killing mccarm way.

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Speaker 2: You being weird because it's the end of the financial risk.

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Speaker 1: That just means we've got paperwork to do.

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Speaker 2: Yes. No, you get your tax returned. You get to

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Speaker 2: spend it on beauty products because it's free money.

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Speaker 3: My accountant sucks. I never get anything back. My accountant

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Speaker 3: is my mother. Ah, I always have to pay more

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Speaker 3: money not and.

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Speaker 2: Then you probably give her her favorite locks of time

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Speaker 2: that I don't like to do that. I feel like

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Speaker 2: the middle of the y is depressing enough. Doing a

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Speaker 2: taxi turns bad. But then someone get money, true and

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Speaker 2: it feels free, even though it's not.

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Speaker 3: My sister got audited last year. She did not get money.

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Speaker 1: It was terrified.

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Speaker 2: I got audited two years ago.

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Speaker 3: Oh I didn't even like. I just don't know people

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Speaker 3: that get audited. Well I did, and it was all

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Speaker 2: And then I went off and bought myself a bronze

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Speaker 2: of from Mecca to reward my Oh yes, okay, so

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Speaker 2: on Mondays not tex Tips. Yeah, this is not a

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Speaker 2: financial podcast named Goald, although Kelly does a very good

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Speaker 2: Kelly math from time to.

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Speaker 2: I think I've got some Kelly math in another episode

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Speaker 2: coming up soon. But you ask us questions, we answer them,

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Speaker 2: so ubies, if you have something you want to ask us,

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Speaker 2: you can email you beauty at mamamea dot com dot

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Speaker 2: are you. You can hit us up on Instagram or

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Speaker 2: Kelly and I personally on our instagraboom and we passed

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Speaker 2: it on to the producer. We have a good old

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Speaker 2: chat and we hope that our answers. Help you.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't help, but Wonder asked me anything.

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Speaker 2: You ask plenty questions. So what am I doing today? Kell?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 3: So later on the episode, we do have a question

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Speaker 3: a milestone birthday. But first Cassidy wrote to us beauty question,

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Speaker 3: is seasonal perfume switching actually necessary? I've always won the

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Speaker 3: exact same cent year round, but friends say my perfume

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Speaker 1: Or is this just clever marketing?

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Speaker 3: Who's going to tell Cassidy that her friends just can't

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's the fragrance. No, I've got a lot to

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Speaker 2: say here, Cassidy. It's not necessary. Nothing is necessary.

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Speaker 2: Like when Kelly and I met. If you're new here,

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Speaker 2: Mayas sourced Kelly to trial for your beauty and at

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Speaker 2: too much. So Cassidy, you might be using too much

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Speaker 2: of your fragrance, but no, you can wear the same

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Speaker 2: And I've got some friends that I think of immediately. However,

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Speaker 2: But if you've got a signature cent, wear it.

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Speaker 3: But I do think, especially if your friends are saying something,

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Speaker 3: Fragrance cannot be overly strong. I don't think.

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Speaker 2: Like it feels like you're wearing a bikini in the snow.

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Speaker 3: Literally, yeah, same thing if you're wearing I mean, I

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Speaker 3: My goodness, I have such a good example Georgio Armani

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Speaker 1: Why it is perfect?

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Speaker 3: Still, Look, fragrance is so heavy, but it's an intense

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Speaker 3: You need something light, fruity, floral.

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Speaker 2: No, you don't need you know what you need to

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Speaker 2: go to Barli, your passport. You can wear any fragrance

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Speaker 3: Obviously, But this she's asking because her friends have said

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Speaker 2: Cassidy, this is impossible. I need to know your sense, yes, sir,

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Speaker 1: She's like, it's do your poison? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Or if it's like terry, mugular, alien or al or

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Speaker 2: But I'm like you. I like heady, woody, masculine fragrances.

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Speaker 2: very much a jasmine. But I wear whatever I want,

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Speaker 2: and I put on my fragrance. I have put on

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Speaker 2: I guess that's what no one wears, fragrance of the beach.

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Speaker 2: Let's think more niche is. Cassidy has a signature. I

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Speaker 1: One day you could it.

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Speaker 2: Is, Cassidy. I'm so pro you having a signature. All

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Speaker 2: and tell us the scent because I want to know too. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: But she doesn't have anything else to choose from.

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Speaker 2: It's a signature.

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Speaker 3: but just something like nice and light true for the barbecues.

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Speaker 2: Well. Also, Cassidy, it's winter now, so you sprits that signature.

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Speaker 2: I loved that. I loved how deep we got for that.

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Speaker 3: But you know what, I just really like to get

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Speaker 2: but also tell your friends to suck it up. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: Jane sent us a Facebook DM. I've been using the

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Speaker 2: Happy birthday to Yeah, Happy birthday, Happy birthday, Jane, Welcome

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Speaker 2: to the fourth level. It's pretty great here. Kelly wouldn't

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Speaker 2: But this was one of the questions was, you know,

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Speaker 2: And I talked a bit on there about mostly cream

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Speaker 2: They're just generally more hydrating, possibly switching to a tubular

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Speaker 2: But my number one biggest recommendation for women who are

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Speaker 2: reaching this area area just you know, maturity is under

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Speaker 2: I con seeler because you naturally feel like you're tireder

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Speaker 2: and looking more experienced than ever before. So you reach

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Speaker 2: for a kind of really full coverage, really creamy, but

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Speaker 2: it sets in fine lines. It just makes things look

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Speaker 3: Correct you last week were like Elba Andreas looks like

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Speaker 3: the actual bullsack.

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Speaker 2: Let's still do No.

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Speaker 3: I was going to just say, do you have a

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Speaker 3: recommendation of what you've got on today? Because they look

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Speaker 2: I actually have what I've got on today here, so

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Speaker 2: I have been on a journey. Generally, you want to

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Speaker 2: a Korean brand. It's the same concealer, It's tiny, it's phenomenal.

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Speaker 3: Okay, No, I completely agree, Like obviously I'm not obviously,

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Speaker 3: Just less powdery products, Like, let's always err on the

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Speaker 2: but you've gone from dry to dry, conjured, from dry

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Speaker 2: to yeah, dear lord, scaly, even like a tiny drop

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Speaker 2: so play around and like you're say, if it's working

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Speaker 2: for you, there's absolutely nothing you need to change.

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Speaker 1: Agree after the break, Host Tax.

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Speaker 2: Tack, what a you makeup packs? Okay, Host Tax and Kelly,

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Speaker 2: I need you to go first because I've got those.

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Speaker 1: Grandma heatless curls.

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Speaker 3: No, this is a heatless curl thingymaginy tube as a

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Speaker 1: It's like foam, thick foam.

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Speaker 2: It's a poor noodle.

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Speaker 3: It actually is a little bit of a poor noodle anyway.

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Speaker 3: Majority of people are side sleeper. Ye, So unless you're

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Speaker 3: I haven't done it like not today. Obviously I've got

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Speaker 3: You can clip it at the top to hold it

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Speaker 2: Why won't you just braid your hair without as full noodle.

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Speaker 3: Of a very different effect. This gives proper blowout curls.

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Speaker 3: Heatless curls are really good. They don't last the same

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Speaker 3: with proper you know, braided hair kind of just looks.

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Speaker 3: I went surfing and then used some sea salts. Well,

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Physical?

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Speaker 2: Didn't you do fizzy when you were little? Or? Am

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Speaker 2: I really old physical culture?

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Speaker 1: I don't know what that is?

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Speaker 2: So old? Okay? Great? I love your noodle.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, that is my host tac. What is yours?

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Speaker 2: Well? I enjoyed that mine is probably taking it down

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Speaker 2: this story. Okay, but it is about to be fashion week.

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Speaker 2: I haven't planned any outfits. But all I know is

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Speaker 2: Excuse me? I stuck on a I didn't. Okay, it's

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Speaker 2: a toe nail. I had a toe. Yes, I am

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Speaker 1: Glued it back on. It worked for weeks. That's disgusting.

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Speaker 2: I know. Then I kicked that off. I don't know

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Speaker 2: Amazon and Camar. Where did I go? Camar? Didn't I

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Speaker 2: see you there? You could only get black light pinky

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Speaker 2: I just put it on top of that one. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so it has nail acrylic Camart fake toenail.

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Speaker 3: Oh and you probably still could have kicked it off.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I probably could have. And now I wanted to

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Speaker 2: change my petty, but I can't explain to my lady

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Speaker 2: I used real life superglue instead of nail glue, but.

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Speaker 3: But like, okay, I feel like sometimes you make your

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Speaker 3: coming from me, who's just like yeah, and then you

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Speaker 3: just going, you know what, I'm just gonna wear a

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna get some super glue.

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Speaker 1: Then I'm gonna like paint my nails.

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Speaker 2: This is true. And look it was the like fashion

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Speaker 2: Week was the instigator. But I spend a lot of

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Speaker 2: shoes on Fox, that's weird. Why can't I just have

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Speaker 2: my Kmart toes nails. You go ahead, guys, go and

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Speaker 2: get you Kmart toenales. I've got hates if anyone wants some,

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Speaker 2: because I've only used the big toes. On that note,

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Speaker 2: we hope both ho sax mere helpful. That's a rap.

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Speaker 2: Beauty lovers, thank you for hanging out and enjoying our

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Speaker 2: madness today. If you've got a question, send us a

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Speaker 2: dm at you Beauty podcast and our fabulous producers we'll

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Speaker 2: pass it on.

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Speaker 3: Asap and we'll be back in your ears and eyes

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Speaker 3: because we'll be on YouTube on Friday. Oh yes.

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Speaker 2: And this episode of You Beauty is produced by Molly

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Speaker 2: Harwood and Sophie Campbell, with audio production by Tina Mattlock.

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Speaker 1: Bye,