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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mummy's twice daily news podcast.

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Speaker 2: The Quickie. Yep, Big Brother is almost back in the house,

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Speaker 2: But should it be? As the show returns to its

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Speaker 2: iconic dream World house on Network ten, we look at

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Speaker 2: why the reality TV juggernaut keeps getting revived, the controversies

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Speaker 2: and cultural moments everyone's still talking about, and the big

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Speaker 2: question what happens to the real.

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Speaker 3: People on the other side of the glass?

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Speaker 2: Plus forever chemicals could be hiding in your makeup bag,

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Speaker 2: kitchen and.

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Speaker 3: Even on your face.

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Speaker 2: So what is it, why should you care? And what's

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Speaker 2: the breakthrough that might finally help get rid of them.

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Speaker 2: Before we get there, here's Claire Murphy with the latest

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Speaker 2: from the Quickie newsroom for Wednesday, September.

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Speaker 1: Ten, Thanks Taylor. Israel's military has launched an attack on

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Speaker 1: Hamas leaders in Qatar, where the Palestinian militant group has

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Speaker 1: its political base. Several blasts were heard in the capital Doha,

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Speaker 1: before plumes of black smoke were seen billowing from the

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Speaker 1: city's leg tifya petrol station. Next Door to the station

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Speaker 1: is a small residential compound that's been guarded by Katar's

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Speaker 1: Emi Regard twenty four hours a day since the beginning

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Speaker 1: of the Gaza Strip conflict. Qatar, which has acted as

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Speaker 1: the almost two year old war in the Gaza Strip,

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Speaker 1: condemned the action as cowardly and called it a flagrant

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Speaker 1: violation of international law. Katar's Al Jazeira television is reporting

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Speaker 1: that the attack was aimed at Hamas Gaza Strip ceasefine negotiators,

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Speaker 1: the assault now possibly disrupting or even ending efforts to

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Speaker 1: reach a ceasefire. Two Hamas sources told Reuters that Hamas

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Speaker 1: officials in the ceasefine negotiating teams survived the attack, but

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Speaker 1: Victoria has become the first jurisdiction in Australia to introduce

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Speaker 1: treaty legislation to Parliament, paving the way for a formal

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Speaker 1: agreement between the state's indigenous peoples and the government. Under

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Speaker 1: the framework, an indigenous representative body will be made permanent

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Speaker 1: and granted decision making powers on initiatives and services relevant

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Speaker 1: to Aboriginal Victorians. They'll be able to propose name changes

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Speaker 1: for specified geographical features, provided they offer evidence of its offensiveness.

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Speaker 1: Public school students will be taught about Aboriginal experiences since

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Speaker 1: colonization based on the Yurok Justice Commission's official public record,

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Speaker 1: while a future apology to the state's first inhabitants in

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Speaker 1: Parliament was also agreed to. Britney Higgins has been ordered

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Speaker 1: after losing a defamation case. Linda Reynolds sued Miss Higgins

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Speaker 1: month finding the post's word defameatory and awarding damages of

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Speaker 1: three hundred and fifteen thousand dollars plus over twenty six

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars in interest to Miss Reynolds. Miss Higgins was

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Speaker 1: ordered to pay eighty percent of misas Reynold's legal costs,

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Speaker 1: which are yet to be determined. Prince Harry will personally

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Speaker 1: donate more than a million pounds to the BBC Children

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Speaker 1: in Need charity, one of the largest individual sums publicly

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Speaker 1: visit by Harry to Nottingham, one of the first visits

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Speaker 1: eight years ago, saying Nottingham has my respect, it always

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Speaker 1: He went on to say that violence impacting young people,

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Speaker 1: saying we cannot and must not and will not look away.

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Speaker 1: While the Royals charitable organized stations often donate millions and

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Speaker 3: Thanks Claire.

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Speaker 2: Next, Big Brother is back, so game on Mools Big

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Speaker 2: Brother is always watching. No, that's not me being paranoid

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Speaker 2: The reality TV show is returning to our screens later

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Speaker 2: this year. It's the social experiment that's outlasted just about

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Speaker 2: Big Brother returns.

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Speaker 3: To its roots, dream World, the original.

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Speaker 2: House, live evictions and promise of real people and classic confessionals.

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Speaker 2: Throwing a house full of contestants locked away from the

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Speaker 2: the Australian Association of Psychologists Karlie Dova has a few ideas.

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Speaker 4: Describing those settings. Reminds me of COVID lockdown and that

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Speaker 4: and wellbeing. Some people can flourish in those circumstances, the

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Speaker 3: But that's also a big stressor as well.

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Speaker 4: Because you're giving up all this time you're being filmed,

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Speaker 4: you know, potentially in not your best kind of light,

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Speaker 4: you know, especially, we know that producers want drama, they

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Speaker 2: We've seen the highs Abum Dance, Tully and Drew's romance,

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Speaker 2: to the two thousand and six Turkey slab incident that

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Speaker 2: triggered national outrage and a rethink of on camera boundaries.

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Speaker 2: Big Brother first aired in two thousand and one, capturing

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Speaker 2: attention as a twenty four to seven social experiment. Followed

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Speaker 2: was twenty class years of love lolls, drama and controversy,

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Speaker 2: voting scandals, on air protests, Allah Merlin's Free the Refugees moment,

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Speaker 2: from its two thousand and four eviction, and spinoffs embracing

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Speaker 2: everything from wild party games to late night adults only content.

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Speaker 2: The show has bounced between networks and revised its rules

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Speaker 2: countless times, but never really stayed out of the headlines

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Speaker 2: for too long. For contestants, though, the experience isn't just

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Speaker 2: fun in games, the emotional toll of total surveillance, claims

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Speaker 2: can play havoc with mental health. Each new reboot swears

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Speaker 2: lessons have been learned, but critics keep asking is it

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Speaker 2: possible to protect contestants, keep it ethical and still deliver

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Speaker 2: the reality that viewers want. Carlin says probably not. I

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Speaker 2: asked her what she'd do differently if she was calling

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Speaker 4: Say, do everything differently, I guess I would probably. I

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Speaker 4: think if we're thinking about it from priori and mental

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Speaker 4: give people access to their friends and family, let them

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Speaker 4: you know, so if they want to cry or if

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Speaker 4: Those are the two biggest things I would say.

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Speaker 2: So in an eraror obsessed with privacy and wellness, is

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Speaker 2: Big Brother's return a nostalgic master stroke or just straight

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Speaker 2: up damage being done in real time. To break down

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Speaker 2: the shows evolving legacy, were joined by Mum and Me,

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Speaker 2: a senior entertainment writer and Big Brother super fan Tara Watson.

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Speaker 3: Tara, is Big Brother going to work in twenty twenty five?

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Speaker 5: I really really hope so, so I adore Big Brother.

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Speaker 5: It was like literally my gateway into reality TV. But

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Speaker 5: the thing with Big Brother and this and this is

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Speaker 5: the stripped back authentic Channel ten Big Brother is it

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Speaker 5: is a slow burn. So it is a show that

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Speaker 5: it takes time to get to know the people, to

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Speaker 5: I don't know if viewers have the patience for that

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Speaker 2: So you've revealed to me that you're a bit of

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Speaker 2: a Big Brother super fan.

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Speaker 3: I want to hear from you.

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Speaker 2: What are some of the most iconic moments or some

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Speaker 3: Law Where to begin?

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Speaker 5: So I'll think I'll start with season one because I

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Speaker 5: think season one a Big Brother was the creation of

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Speaker 5: the Australian influencer because these people on season one, they

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Speaker 5: literally were influencers. So Sarah Marie, she released a line

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Speaker 5: of pajamas, Jemma released a line of lip glosses afterwards,

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Speaker 5: and Blair was cast on Neighbors. These were our celebrities. Sorry,

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Speaker 5: that is the most two thousand and one answer. Pajamas,

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Speaker 5: lip gloss and a casting on neighbors. Literally, but yeah,

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Speaker 5: like this just would never happen. Imagine that happened with

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Speaker 5: like maths can Like it just wouldn't happen. These were

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Speaker 5: was like the silly moments. I love, Like we talk

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Speaker 5: they definitely had a lot of that, but they also

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Speaker 3: There was Logan.

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Speaker 5: Greg and Logan David, and they were allegedly identical twins,

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Speaker 5: but they really weren't that identical, and they were sent

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Speaker 5: They didn't know each other, so they didn't know anything

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Speaker 5: So I love like the sillier moments. I also loved

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Speaker 5: love stories. The most famous has to be Jess and Marty.

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Speaker 5: He was a country boy, she was a city GwL

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Speaker 5: and they met.

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Speaker 3: He actually had a girlfriend at the time, which no

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Speaker 5: About, but anyway, they met, they fell in love, and

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Speaker 5: then they had a televised wedding. I mean, their marriage

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Speaker 5: couple that was Tally and Drew, which was a huge

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Speaker 3: She already had a partner.

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Speaker 5: Although it's interesting that she got a lot more hate

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Speaker 2: I want to hear about some of those controversial moments, though.

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Speaker 2: Can you run us through maybe one or two of

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Speaker 2: the moments that we couldn't stop looking at, even though

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Speaker 2: we probably should have. When it comes to Big Brother,

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Speaker 2: did they learn from them?

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Speaker 5: There's nothing more controversial than the Turkey slab. I mean

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Speaker 5: John Howard at the time literally said we need to

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Speaker 5: like disgusting sexual assault that happened to Camilla on one season.

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Speaker 5: There was two men involved. One was named John, one

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Speaker 5: was names Ash and they essentially pinned her to a

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Speaker 2: They're invisible, hard to pronounce, and could be living on

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Speaker 2: your skin every day. They're called forever chemicals for a reason.

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Speaker 2: Pfas or per and polyflor aalcol substances are a group

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Speaker 2: of nearly fifteen thousand human made chemicals found in everything

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Speaker 2: from waterproof mascara and stale day foundation to nonstick pans

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Speaker 2: That indestructibility means they don't break down, building up in

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Speaker 2: While many are now banded or being phased out, plenty

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Speaker 2: studies have linked pfas to everything from hormone disruption to.

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Speaker 2: Now that doesn't necessarily mean that if you use waterproof

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Speaker 2: But here's the spark of hope. Researchers in Adelaide have

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Speaker 2: sulfide power and UV light to essentially zap prefas and

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Speaker 2: break their stubborn bonds. The science is still a few

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Speaker 2: years away from real world use. Bart tesque on contaminated

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Speaker 2: soil and water have shown impressive results, including breaking down

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Speaker 3: So what can you do now?

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Speaker 2: Choose prefas free, beauty and kitchen products where you can,

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Speaker 2: and keep an eye out breakthroughs fighting forever chemicals are

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Speaker 2: finally on the horizon. Thanks for taking some time to

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Speaker 2: feed your mind with us today. The quickie is produced

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Speaker 2: by me Taylor Strano and Claire Murphy.