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Speaker 1: So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: it is Jesse here for your Sunday special. Just a

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Speaker 2: little trait for your Sunday. We are bringing you a

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Speaker 2: taste of a new podcast we are releasing. It is

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Speaker 2: called I Never Told You This. It's about connection, It's

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Speaker 2: about brave conversations and how to have more honest relationships.

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Speaker 3: I have anxiety myself. I don't even know what to

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Speaker 3: do with it. Do you know how to deal with it?

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Speaker 3: I feel like we don't really know how to deal

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Speaker 3: with it. We just kind of get up and just

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Speaker 3: seize the day. It doesn't matter how you're feeling.

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Speaker 4: Soldier on two People, One big reveal. I Never told

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Speaker 4: You This A simple card game and where one question

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Speaker 4: could change everything.

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Speaker 1: It starts like what's more things I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: answer that.

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Speaker 4: Then comes the moment that could shift a relationship forever.

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Speaker 4: As they finished this sentence, I never told you this.

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Speaker 5: I've never told you.

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Speaker 1: They never told you this.

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Speaker 4: Today Reality TV influences mother and daughter duo Mary and

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Speaker 4: Martha Califdidas will be sitting down together.

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Speaker 5: Quite nervous, but I'm always nervous.

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Speaker 4: Mary has something big to reveal to her daughter.

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Speaker 5: I don't think she's expecting me to say what I'm

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Speaker 5: going to say. Welcome, Martha.

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Speaker 1: Oh, thanks for having me Mary. This is a bit

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Speaker 1: new for us. I know.

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Speaker 5: Welcome. So today we're going to play a little game

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Speaker 5: with the Medibank family roast cards. Are you ready to play?

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Speaker 3: Yes, let's get into this game. I think we need

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Speaker 3: a little game.

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Speaker 5: So who picks Mare?

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Speaker 1: You go for it? Oh? Are you ready? Oh?

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Speaker 5: What is the most ridiculous fashion trend you ever followed?

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Speaker 5: Those thick facts else that were like a boob troo

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Speaker 5: and we'd wear them over the jeans. That has to

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Speaker 5: be one of the ugliest things I ever did. I'm

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Speaker 5: five foot two and that made me four foot two.

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Speaker 5: I probably told you, but you wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: Probably listen here we go. She had to throw that

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Speaker 1: one in my face and just saying kid, just saying.

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Speaker 3: All right, so I'll pick a card. Oh, what is

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Speaker 3: something I do that grosses you out? I don't think

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Speaker 3: you do anything they do not.

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Speaker 1: No, that's right, good answer, Mary. What about me? I

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Speaker 1: don't because I can say so many things.

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Speaker 5: I bring it to the table. Cutting your cuticles, well,

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Speaker 5: that's just like meditation.

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Speaker 3: If you go and get that done and then you

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Speaker 3: like to do more and just keep cutting the cuticles,

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Speaker 3: it must be a nervous.

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Speaker 1: It's definitely a nervous habit.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I'll take that, all right, go next? Oh is

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Speaker 5: that me?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 5: What do you think your most useless talent is? You've

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Speaker 5: got plenty of those.

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Speaker 3: I don't think I've got any. I just's no time

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Speaker 3: for uselessness in our family.

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Speaker 5: I agree.

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Speaker 3: What about how you can you start singing every single

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Speaker 5: I'm going to pick the next card. I never told

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Speaker 5: you this when you went on reality TV, all these

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Speaker 5: comments would come in on social media. It actually affected me,

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Speaker 5: I didn't know as a parent how I can comfort you.

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Speaker 3: No, I can totally understand how that would have affected you.

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Speaker 3: With the trolls on the internet, they think they know me,

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Speaker 5: Now you're a parent, and I'm sure you would probably

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Speaker 5: Could only imagine. And that's why I didn't want to

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Speaker 5: was I had shortness of breath, like I was thinking, mom,

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Speaker 5: don't yeah, but that's how it was.

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Speaker 3: I think to some degree I did have some idea,

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Speaker 3: because you did start acting really strange. I definitely think

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Speaker 3: I know you were staying up really late looking at comments,

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Speaker 3: So I would just say oh to you, like it

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Speaker 3: doesn't matter, but really, like I would be in my

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Speaker 3: I feel like we don't really know how to deal

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Speaker 3: with it. We just kind of move on with the

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Speaker 3: day and just keep the day going. But it doesn't

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Speaker 3: mean that the anxiety goes away.

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Speaker 6: The rest of this episode of I never told you

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Speaker 6: this right after the break.

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Speaker 5: Thinking back, I should have just been more open and

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Speaker 5: told you, like, you know what, it's normal to feel

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Speaker 5: this way because I'm feeling this way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think if and this had done that, we

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Speaker 3: open instead of dealing with it separately in.

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Speaker 1: Our different rooms.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's very That's very much what our family does,

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Speaker 3: though we're not very good at revealing, which is strange

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Speaker 3: because we're so open that everything about movements and everything

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Speaker 3: because we've brought up to be like quite.

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Speaker 1: Hard and like strong and tarbodic. No, you can't get

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Speaker 1: over it, get up and just seize the day, It

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter how you're feeling. Soldier on.

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Speaker 5: When I was growing up, our parents were very strict.

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Speaker 5: They never showed emotion.

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Speaker 3: They never you know, I just find that hard to believe. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it is like the most softest, sweetest, gentlest, emotional, loving caring.

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Speaker 5: It wasn't when we were growing up.

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Speaker 1: I just find it hard to believe. Yeah, she was strict.

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Speaker 1: Get up old age. It really softens you.

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Speaker 5: It breaks you down with like searching and being like

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Speaker 5: my own little detective. I noticed that a lot of

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Speaker 5: these comments weren't coming from young kids that were just

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Speaker 5: being mean. These were from parents that had kids. How

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Speaker 5: could you try and destroy someone else's child. People want

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Speaker 5: kids to be kind, but they don't teach them the

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Speaker 5: tools to be kind and not to bring other people down.

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Speaker 5: You know, Like kids are mean today. I hate that.

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Speaker 1: I learn that from somewhere.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. The parents are the

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Speaker 5: ones that need to actually change.

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Speaker 3: I kind of feel a bit sad for you in

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Speaker 3: a way that you kind of dealt with that on

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Speaker 5: That's what parents do, you know. They try to protect

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Speaker 5: I think their kids as much as they can, you know,

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Speaker 5: so if your son was dealing with ansciety, how would

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Speaker 5: you help him?

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Speaker 1: Growing up?

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Speaker 3: You always said those that matter don't mind, and those

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Speaker 3: that mind don't matter. It doesn't really matter because who

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Speaker 3: are these people to you? As long as like you know, you,

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Speaker 3: your friends, your family, the people that you care about,

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Speaker 3: the opinions of others don't really matter.

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Speaker 5: That's good. At least you've got something stuck from all

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Speaker 5: those years. Yeah, it's not easy being a parent.

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Speaker 3: It's so not It's the hardest thing ever. It's so

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Speaker 3: not easy being a parent. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Oh, thank you, Mary.

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Speaker 5: No worries any time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And it's nice to know that you're human under all that. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's nice to know that under all there there is

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Speaker 3: actually some flesh and blood. Well done, fist pump.

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Speaker 5: Oh is that something we do still?

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Speaker 6: This episode was brought to you by Medibank with Meddibank.

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Speaker 6: If this conversation brought up any strong feelings for you,

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Speaker 6: don't forget there is help out there. Please see show

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