1 00:00:10,705 --> 00:00:13,425 Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:13,945 --> 00:00:17,465 Speaker 2: Mama Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and Waters 3 00:00:17,505 --> 00:00:20,785 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on Hey you beas Lee 4 00:00:20,905 --> 00:00:23,545 Speaker 2: here with a recommendation for Nothing to Wear, and it's 5 00:00:23,585 --> 00:00:26,945 Speaker 2: all about personal style. We love a capsule wardrobe, we 6 00:00:26,985 --> 00:00:30,665 Speaker 2: love staples, but personal style is just that it's personal. 7 00:00:30,785 --> 00:00:31,625 Speaker 1: So I chatted to an. 8 00:00:31,505 --> 00:00:34,105 Speaker 2: Expert about how to find the style that works for 9 00:00:34,145 --> 00:00:36,665 Speaker 2: you that makes getting dressed easy in the morning, you 10 00:00:36,665 --> 00:00:38,065 Speaker 2: don't even have to think about it and you feel 11 00:00:38,105 --> 00:00:39,025 Speaker 2: fabulous all day. 12 00:00:39,345 --> 00:00:43,385 Speaker 1: So have a listen and I hope it helps. Whoever 13 00:00:43,425 --> 00:00:45,825 Speaker 1: said orange is a new pink with seriously. 14 00:00:45,425 --> 00:00:48,345 Speaker 3: Disturved laurels for spraying groundbreaking? 15 00:00:48,625 --> 00:00:50,945 Speaker 4: Oh my god, you have to do it. You live 16 00:00:51,065 --> 00:00:51,745 Speaker 4: for fashion. 17 00:00:52,945 --> 00:00:55,825 Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that 18 00:00:55,905 --> 00:00:58,705 Speaker 2: solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe. 19 00:00:58,945 --> 00:01:00,665 Speaker 1: I'm Lee Campbell and every week. 20 00:01:00,625 --> 00:01:02,905 Speaker 2: I chat to an expert who helps us work out 21 00:01:02,945 --> 00:01:04,745 Speaker 2: how to get more out of the clothes we already 22 00:01:04,785 --> 00:01:08,185 Speaker 2: owned and tells us exactly what is and isn't worth adding. 23 00:01:07,865 --> 00:01:08,785 Speaker 1: To our wardrobes. 24 00:01:09,665 --> 00:01:12,985 Speaker 2: She's probably heard of Megan Hess, and if you haven't, 25 00:01:13,305 --> 00:01:17,465 Speaker 2: you should. Meghan Hess is a world renowned fashion illustrator 26 00:01:17,545 --> 00:01:21,465 Speaker 2: who's worked with top designers and luxury brands across the globe. 27 00:01:21,865 --> 00:01:24,145 Speaker 2: Her big break came in two thousand and six, when 28 00:01:24,185 --> 00:01:26,865 Speaker 2: she illustrated the New York Times number one best seller 29 00:01:27,145 --> 00:01:30,225 Speaker 2: Sex and the City. Since then, Meghan has crafted fashion 30 00:01:30,265 --> 00:01:34,065 Speaker 2: portraits for publications like The New York Times, Italian Vogue, 31 00:01:34,065 --> 00:01:37,945 Speaker 2: and Vanity Fair. Her iconic, elegant style has also graced 32 00:01:37,985 --> 00:01:42,305 Speaker 2: campaigns for luxury giants like Fendi, Prata Cartier, and Dior 33 00:01:42,625 --> 00:01:46,145 Speaker 2: No Big Deal. Not to mention she's written and illustrated 34 00:01:46,345 --> 00:01:51,945 Speaker 2: twenty two best selling books. Megan's signature style is floaty, elegant, 35 00:01:51,945 --> 00:01:55,665 Speaker 2: and effortlessly chic. I was curious to learn more about 36 00:01:55,705 --> 00:01:58,985 Speaker 2: how she discovered her personal style, how she maintains it 37 00:01:59,065 --> 00:02:01,865 Speaker 2: in a world of ever changing trends, and how she 38 00:02:01,945 --> 00:02:06,025 Speaker 2: weaves it into her incredible body of work. Firstly, Megan, 39 00:02:06,185 --> 00:02:09,425 Speaker 2: welcome to the show. As you know, I requested you specifically. 40 00:02:09,745 --> 00:02:10,425 Speaker 1: I'm very, very. 41 00:02:10,385 --> 00:02:13,185 Speaker 2: Excited, so I want to start by what I think 42 00:02:13,225 --> 00:02:16,705 Speaker 2: will be one of the most important questions, describing your 43 00:02:16,745 --> 00:02:19,505 Speaker 2: style in three words. I feel like I could do 44 00:02:19,585 --> 00:02:21,545 Speaker 2: it for you, but that's not what this is about. 45 00:02:21,985 --> 00:02:24,185 Speaker 2: How do you describe your style in three words? 46 00:02:24,585 --> 00:02:26,505 Speaker 4: This is so hard. I think I'm going to narrow 47 00:02:26,545 --> 00:02:31,345 Speaker 4: it down to whimsical, colorful, and fairy tale. 48 00:02:31,465 --> 00:02:32,425 Speaker 1: Oh I love that. 49 00:02:32,465 --> 00:02:35,545 Speaker 2: I love all of those. I had, feminine and sophisticated. 50 00:02:35,585 --> 00:02:37,585 Speaker 2: I was trying to think of a third one flying 51 00:02:37,585 --> 00:02:39,425 Speaker 2: by the seat of my pants, but I absolutely love that. 52 00:02:39,465 --> 00:02:42,225 Speaker 2: And obviously you're here to talk about personal branding and 53 00:02:42,305 --> 00:02:45,345 Speaker 2: maintaining a signature style, so it feels like you know what. 54 00:02:45,265 --> 00:02:46,625 Speaker 1: You look like now. 55 00:02:46,825 --> 00:02:49,345 Speaker 2: The saying rings true for most people. We've got a 56 00:02:49,385 --> 00:02:52,025 Speaker 2: wardrobe full of clothes, but we reach for ten percent 57 00:02:52,025 --> 00:02:54,025 Speaker 2: of that ninety percent of the time. What's in your 58 00:02:54,065 --> 00:02:54,585 Speaker 2: ten percent? 59 00:02:54,825 --> 00:02:56,825 Speaker 4: I'm depressed to tell you this because I do have 60 00:02:56,865 --> 00:02:59,985 Speaker 4: so many dresses, and I'm obsessed with dresses. But the 61 00:03:00,145 --> 00:03:05,545 Speaker 4: truth is in between the dress wearing, I do mainly 62 00:03:05,665 --> 00:03:08,985 Speaker 4: wear jeans, trainers, and blazers. 63 00:03:08,865 --> 00:03:11,025 Speaker 1: And actually depressed. It's good to know. 64 00:03:11,745 --> 00:03:14,985 Speaker 2: I think in that age of social media and reality TV, 65 00:03:15,145 --> 00:03:17,065 Speaker 2: and everyone looks glamorous all the time, and I'm sure 66 00:03:17,105 --> 00:03:18,985 Speaker 2: you look glamorous in your jeans and your blazer, but 67 00:03:19,745 --> 00:03:21,825 Speaker 2: it's nice to know that sometimes we're just falling back 68 00:03:21,825 --> 00:03:24,585 Speaker 2: into those casual basics, and you know, dresses for you 69 00:03:24,625 --> 00:03:26,905 Speaker 2: are such a passion that it's a collection and art. 70 00:03:27,625 --> 00:03:29,145 Speaker 2: But I did wonder if you've got around the house 71 00:03:29,145 --> 00:03:29,985 Speaker 2: in those all day long. 72 00:03:30,505 --> 00:03:32,385 Speaker 4: No, and I don't draw in them either. This is 73 00:03:32,385 --> 00:03:34,785 Speaker 4: why I feel like a bit of a sham because 74 00:03:34,865 --> 00:03:38,305 Speaker 4: I traveling, I love being in a blazer and jeans 75 00:03:38,785 --> 00:03:41,345 Speaker 4: and a really comfy kind of knit and trainers. And 76 00:03:41,345 --> 00:03:44,425 Speaker 4: to be honest, during COVID, I really really discovered how 77 00:03:44,505 --> 00:03:47,465 Speaker 4: much I really do love trainers. Yeah, I have leaned 78 00:03:47,465 --> 00:03:47,785 Speaker 4: into that. 79 00:03:47,905 --> 00:03:50,705 Speaker 2: No, I think there can be different sides about fashion personalities, 80 00:03:50,705 --> 00:03:53,505 Speaker 2: and you're also publicly known for one. But you're not 81 00:03:53,545 --> 00:03:55,025 Speaker 2: sleeping in those beautiful gowns. 82 00:03:55,225 --> 00:03:55,905 Speaker 4: No. 83 00:03:55,905 --> 00:03:59,105 Speaker 2: Now, you never expected to be a fashion person, but 84 00:03:59,225 --> 00:04:02,185 Speaker 2: you have written twenty two books on fashion. 85 00:04:02,265 --> 00:04:03,305 Speaker 1: Is that right? Twenty two? 86 00:04:03,625 --> 00:04:04,305 Speaker 4: I think so? 87 00:04:04,985 --> 00:04:09,545 Speaker 2: Ysh, So you became a fashion person? How did that happens? 88 00:04:09,785 --> 00:04:12,785 Speaker 4: Funny because I still see myself as a fashion observer, 89 00:04:12,985 --> 00:04:14,585 Speaker 4: and I think that that's where I started, and I 90 00:04:14,665 --> 00:04:18,065 Speaker 4: still feel that way in the sense of my love 91 00:04:18,065 --> 00:04:20,665 Speaker 4: of it has always been capturing it, and so that's 92 00:04:20,705 --> 00:04:23,785 Speaker 4: the real thing with illustrating it and the world of it. 93 00:04:23,865 --> 00:04:26,945 Speaker 4: Fascinates me, and the world of it has never I've 94 00:04:26,945 --> 00:04:28,465 Speaker 4: never been stressed by the world of it, and I 95 00:04:28,505 --> 00:04:30,865 Speaker 4: meet people all the time that fashion really stresses them out, 96 00:04:30,905 --> 00:04:33,065 Speaker 4: And I think the reason it doesn't stress me out 97 00:04:33,145 --> 00:04:36,385 Speaker 4: is because I technically don't feel like I don't know 98 00:04:36,385 --> 00:04:38,145 Speaker 4: how to describe it, not like I don't feel like 99 00:04:38,145 --> 00:04:41,265 Speaker 4: a fashion person. But my job has never really been 100 00:04:41,345 --> 00:04:43,985 Speaker 4: to be displaying the fashion. It's to capture it and 101 00:04:44,105 --> 00:04:47,465 Speaker 4: draw it and show it in illustrations. So that's what 102 00:04:47,505 --> 00:04:49,825 Speaker 4: it is. And I think I've just always been someone 103 00:04:49,865 --> 00:04:51,825 Speaker 4: who's loved it. And a lot of the books that 104 00:04:51,865 --> 00:04:54,625 Speaker 4: I work on, there's lots of books in fashion, and 105 00:04:54,665 --> 00:04:59,025 Speaker 4: there's lots of amazing, very highbrow books about fashion and 106 00:04:59,065 --> 00:05:02,145 Speaker 4: different things, and I've always tried to create books that 107 00:05:02,505 --> 00:05:06,585 Speaker 4: anyone can enjoy them. If you are a really hardcore 108 00:05:06,625 --> 00:05:10,265 Speaker 4: fashion lover or if you're an accountant that just kind 109 00:05:10,265 --> 00:05:12,585 Speaker 4: of wants to know more about fashion or enjoy it, 110 00:05:12,585 --> 00:05:16,665 Speaker 4: it should feel like something that you can easily flick 111 00:05:16,705 --> 00:05:18,625 Speaker 4: through and be inspired by and enjoy. 112 00:05:18,945 --> 00:05:20,985 Speaker 2: So when you say stress, do you mean like intimidated? 113 00:05:21,025 --> 00:05:22,945 Speaker 2: And that the fashion world can be very sort of 114 00:05:23,025 --> 00:05:26,785 Speaker 2: clicky and a bit scary. I sometimes feel intimidated by fashion, 115 00:05:27,345 --> 00:05:28,745 Speaker 2: and so I think a lot of people can relate 116 00:05:28,785 --> 00:05:30,785 Speaker 2: to that. So your newest one is fashion in color. 117 00:05:31,225 --> 00:05:34,625 Speaker 4: This I thought. I've always been really fascinated by color 118 00:05:34,665 --> 00:05:39,385 Speaker 4: in fashion in terms of what colors have become related 119 00:05:39,385 --> 00:05:41,585 Speaker 4: to fashion. So for example, when you see someone in 120 00:05:41,585 --> 00:05:44,585 Speaker 4: that air Ma's orange, it evokes all those thoughts that 121 00:05:44,625 --> 00:05:46,665 Speaker 4: you have about that brand, that Tiffany blood. 122 00:05:46,705 --> 00:05:48,665 Speaker 2: I was about to say as soon as you said Emes, 123 00:05:48,705 --> 00:05:50,145 Speaker 2: I was thinking, Tiffany blues necks. 124 00:05:50,185 --> 00:05:52,465 Speaker 4: Women's heart rates go up and we see that color. 125 00:05:52,585 --> 00:05:55,625 Speaker 4: And I'm sure before Tiffany and co if we'd seen 126 00:05:55,625 --> 00:05:57,585 Speaker 4: that color, it's a beautiful color, but it wouldn't have 127 00:05:57,625 --> 00:06:00,705 Speaker 4: had that association of effect on us. Yes, read there's 128 00:06:00,745 --> 00:06:05,265 Speaker 4: so many moments, and Valentino with Barbie, there's a lot 129 00:06:05,265 --> 00:06:07,585 Speaker 4: of moments. And I think it's fascinating to me how 130 00:06:07,625 --> 00:06:11,065 Speaker 4: different people, whether they're amous or not, when they wear 131 00:06:11,065 --> 00:06:12,985 Speaker 4: a color, depending on the color and what it is, 132 00:06:12,985 --> 00:06:15,545 Speaker 4: how that color takes on a different life. I always 133 00:06:15,545 --> 00:06:19,865 Speaker 4: compare say Marilyn Munroe in Diamonds Are a Girl's Best Friend, 134 00:06:19,865 --> 00:06:20,945 Speaker 4: where she's in that pink. 135 00:06:21,105 --> 00:06:22,545 Speaker 1: Yes, I've got it. In my head. 136 00:06:22,945 --> 00:06:27,225 Speaker 4: Yeah that ironically, Jackie Kennedy, who I also loved, she 137 00:06:27,465 --> 00:06:31,705 Speaker 4: wore a really similar dress. It's pink satin across with 138 00:06:31,745 --> 00:06:34,385 Speaker 4: the gloves, and yet when she wore it, it took 139 00:06:34,425 --> 00:06:37,465 Speaker 4: on a whole different life. Yeah, it's a whole different feeling. 140 00:06:37,465 --> 00:06:42,505 Speaker 4: It's completely elegant and chic and feels very Jackie Kennedy. 141 00:06:42,545 --> 00:06:44,745 Speaker 4: Yet when Marilyn did it, she did it in her way. 142 00:06:44,785 --> 00:06:47,905 Speaker 4: And so interesting when someone wears a color, what that 143 00:06:47,985 --> 00:06:48,545 Speaker 4: color becomes. 144 00:06:48,585 --> 00:06:50,585 Speaker 2: It's true because I was just thinking red, and until 145 00:06:50,585 --> 00:06:52,745 Speaker 2: red really came back the last few seasons, I always 146 00:06:52,745 --> 00:06:56,105 Speaker 2: thought red was sexy and racy, and it definitely is. 147 00:06:56,145 --> 00:06:58,825 Speaker 2: But then there's so much red at the moment worn 148 00:06:58,905 --> 00:07:01,665 Speaker 2: by different people in different ways that it's really street 149 00:07:01,705 --> 00:07:04,985 Speaker 2: style or athleisure wear. And I'm like, I've never would 150 00:07:05,025 --> 00:07:07,385 Speaker 2: have thought of red like that, And so it's interesting. Yeah, 151 00:07:07,425 --> 00:07:09,505 Speaker 2: you have an immediate thought, I think, or an image 152 00:07:09,585 --> 00:07:11,865 Speaker 2: or something from history, and then it can be turned 153 00:07:11,905 --> 00:07:12,385 Speaker 2: on its head. 154 00:07:12,665 --> 00:07:12,985 Speaker 1: Now. 155 00:07:13,065 --> 00:07:15,545 Speaker 2: I love that you say as a fashion illustrator you 156 00:07:15,585 --> 00:07:19,785 Speaker 2: sort of experience fashion, but that you're still very practically 157 00:07:19,785 --> 00:07:23,105 Speaker 2: in your private life or when you're illustrating. So how 158 00:07:23,105 --> 00:07:25,545 Speaker 2: do you shop for those two personalities? I mean, look 159 00:07:25,545 --> 00:07:27,185 Speaker 2: at all those dresses behind you. Do you know how 160 00:07:27,225 --> 00:07:27,985 Speaker 2: many dresses you've got? 161 00:07:28,025 --> 00:07:32,185 Speaker 1: By the way, No, no, don't look. It's a collection. 162 00:07:32,385 --> 00:07:34,305 Speaker 2: I'm sure that one day, if you had to sell it, 163 00:07:34,345 --> 00:07:36,185 Speaker 2: someone would take it off your hands for millions of dollars. 164 00:07:36,225 --> 00:07:38,785 Speaker 2: But which you goes to the shops or which you 165 00:07:38,905 --> 00:07:42,345 Speaker 2: goes online? Is it the beautiful elegant dresses? Is it 166 00:07:42,385 --> 00:07:44,505 Speaker 2: the genes? And how do you decide who you're taking 167 00:07:44,505 --> 00:07:47,145 Speaker 2: a shopping out of your different aspects of your life. 168 00:07:47,225 --> 00:07:48,745 Speaker 4: Yeah, this is the thing that I actually find the 169 00:07:48,745 --> 00:07:51,825 Speaker 4: most fun for me personally about fashion, that I feel 170 00:07:51,865 --> 00:07:56,145 Speaker 4: like I have different fashion lives depending on what I'm doing. 171 00:07:56,265 --> 00:07:57,745 Speaker 4: And I think this is the thing that I enjoy 172 00:07:57,905 --> 00:08:01,145 Speaker 4: the most about fashion is dressing for where I am 173 00:08:01,225 --> 00:08:04,705 Speaker 4: and what I'm doing. And so even when I travel, 174 00:08:04,945 --> 00:08:07,305 Speaker 4: if I'm going to say Paris for work, I really 175 00:08:07,345 --> 00:08:09,945 Speaker 4: want to be in things that make me feel really 176 00:08:09,985 --> 00:08:12,585 Speaker 4: happy in Paris. And I don't mean it so much 177 00:08:12,585 --> 00:08:14,105 Speaker 4: in a costume. 178 00:08:13,785 --> 00:08:16,665 Speaker 2: Style won shirt and you've got your bad hat. 179 00:08:17,385 --> 00:08:19,145 Speaker 4: I don't need to be a full Emily in Paris 180 00:08:19,185 --> 00:08:22,105 Speaker 4: or anything like that. I was just in Paris recently 181 00:08:22,145 --> 00:08:25,305 Speaker 4: and it was quite cool weather and fashion week was 182 00:08:25,345 --> 00:08:26,345 Speaker 4: just about to start, and I. 183 00:08:26,225 --> 00:08:29,025 Speaker 1: Was like, we're there the same time. 184 00:08:29,385 --> 00:08:32,625 Speaker 4: Yeah, so pictured that weather. It was really crisp and 185 00:08:32,905 --> 00:08:36,025 Speaker 4: coming into fashion week, and I passed a lady in 186 00:08:36,065 --> 00:08:41,305 Speaker 4: a full tropical dress and it almost stressed me. I 187 00:08:41,345 --> 00:08:44,025 Speaker 4: just didn't want it to be wearing that and if 188 00:08:44,025 --> 00:08:46,945 Speaker 4: she was happy then that, yeah, I heard it be in. 189 00:08:47,145 --> 00:08:51,265 Speaker 4: But for me, it's that really enjoying where I am 190 00:08:51,305 --> 00:08:53,385 Speaker 4: and what I'm wearing. So if I'm traveling, I love 191 00:08:53,425 --> 00:08:55,305 Speaker 4: being in and outfit that feels really good. To travel 192 00:08:55,345 --> 00:08:58,705 Speaker 4: in the studio, I like being in something really comfy 193 00:08:58,905 --> 00:09:01,825 Speaker 4: to draw in. When I'm in different locations, I love 194 00:09:02,585 --> 00:09:04,545 Speaker 4: being in those colors. And the opposite of that is 195 00:09:04,585 --> 00:09:06,625 Speaker 4: so true. If I'm somewhere and it feels like this 196 00:09:06,745 --> 00:09:10,425 Speaker 4: is not the right fun feel for this moment, it 197 00:09:10,545 --> 00:09:13,145 Speaker 4: ruins everything. Like we flew as a family to Hawaii 198 00:09:13,865 --> 00:09:16,825 Speaker 4: and in the dead of Melbourne winter, yes perfectly so 199 00:09:16,905 --> 00:09:18,585 Speaker 4: to be lovely and warm in Hawaii because it was 200 00:09:18,585 --> 00:09:20,865 Speaker 4: really cold and Melbourne. We were all myself, my husband, 201 00:09:20,865 --> 00:09:24,145 Speaker 4: and my kids were all in like black tracksuits. Luggage 202 00:09:24,185 --> 00:09:26,665 Speaker 4: were missing all of it. Oh, no, So we landed. 203 00:09:26,745 --> 00:09:30,225 Speaker 4: It's like hot and everyone's happy and in like, you know, 204 00:09:30,305 --> 00:09:33,425 Speaker 4: we're all stressed out in these black tracksuits. And I 205 00:09:33,465 --> 00:09:35,745 Speaker 4: remember saying to my daughter, it's fine, Like I don't 206 00:09:35,745 --> 00:09:37,865 Speaker 4: want to just buy something to get through the next 207 00:09:37,865 --> 00:09:40,065 Speaker 4: twelve hours. Obviously we can just hang out today in 208 00:09:40,065 --> 00:09:42,505 Speaker 4: Hawaii in our black tracksuits and we'll be fine. And 209 00:09:42,545 --> 00:09:46,345 Speaker 4: it was so like miserable and everyone's passing us slide 210 00:09:46,385 --> 00:09:46,785 Speaker 4: that's wrong. 211 00:09:47,865 --> 00:09:49,785 Speaker 1: Maybe they had to pack for the wrong location. 212 00:10:00,665 --> 00:10:03,825 Speaker 2: When I see your name, I think beautiful floral dresses, 213 00:10:03,945 --> 00:10:07,545 Speaker 2: lace high next sleep. So you have nailed personal branding. 214 00:10:07,865 --> 00:10:11,465 Speaker 2: You know your personal style that public persona. Did that 215 00:10:11,545 --> 00:10:14,065 Speaker 2: happen naturally? Is that what you're just drawn to? Was 216 00:10:14,105 --> 00:10:14,785 Speaker 2: it a decision? 217 00:10:15,225 --> 00:10:19,425 Speaker 4: I think at some point I figured out what I feel. Really, 218 00:10:19,505 --> 00:10:22,345 Speaker 4: when I say comfortable, I don't necessarily. 219 00:10:21,825 --> 00:10:24,105 Speaker 1: Mean physically comfortable, as. 220 00:10:23,945 --> 00:10:26,665 Speaker 4: Comfortable in this dress as I would be in a tracksuit. Yes, 221 00:10:26,865 --> 00:10:29,625 Speaker 4: I think I just figured out what clothes make me 222 00:10:29,665 --> 00:10:33,185 Speaker 4: feel my best self. And it's a combination of when 223 00:10:33,185 --> 00:10:34,945 Speaker 4: I'm in something that I feel my best self, I 224 00:10:34,985 --> 00:10:37,425 Speaker 4: don't think about what I'm wearing, and I'm the opposite 225 00:10:37,465 --> 00:10:39,785 Speaker 4: if I'm in something that I feel like either looks 226 00:10:40,105 --> 00:10:44,025 Speaker 4: maybe too tight on me, or I'm in really constrictive underwear, 227 00:10:44,305 --> 00:10:47,105 Speaker 4: or I'm in something that I think I may not 228 00:10:47,185 --> 00:10:49,985 Speaker 4: look good in or whatever it is, and that can 229 00:10:50,185 --> 00:10:52,825 Speaker 4: really affect how I am with other people, or be 230 00:10:52,905 --> 00:10:55,105 Speaker 4: then really awkward, or I might be shy or I'm 231 00:10:55,465 --> 00:10:57,545 Speaker 4: so when I'm wearing something. And I figured out early 232 00:10:57,625 --> 00:11:01,065 Speaker 4: on that this type of outfit, for example, I don't 233 00:11:01,065 --> 00:11:03,145 Speaker 4: even think about it. I put it on. I feel 234 00:11:03,145 --> 00:11:05,785 Speaker 4: like myself, and so I'm really enjoying talking to you. 235 00:11:06,185 --> 00:11:08,305 Speaker 4: If for some reason, let's say, a stylist to come 236 00:11:08,345 --> 00:11:12,145 Speaker 4: and put me in a really tight, short red dress, 237 00:11:12,345 --> 00:11:15,065 Speaker 4: I would be so awkward speaking to you right now, 238 00:11:15,105 --> 00:11:16,705 Speaker 4: even if everyone told me I looked cool. 239 00:11:16,825 --> 00:11:17,345 Speaker 1: Yeah. 240 00:11:17,505 --> 00:11:20,225 Speaker 4: This is the other thing, because I've worked in fashion 241 00:11:20,225 --> 00:11:22,265 Speaker 4: in a sense, I've always known that you never have 242 00:11:22,345 --> 00:11:23,185 Speaker 4: to do all the trends. 243 00:11:23,305 --> 00:11:25,625 Speaker 1: Yes, and that was gonna be about stressed out. 244 00:11:25,665 --> 00:11:27,905 Speaker 4: They get stress. Oh my god, Tartan's coming. I don't 245 00:11:27,945 --> 00:11:31,145 Speaker 4: look good and I was just let Tartan fly bys, 246 00:11:31,665 --> 00:11:34,105 Speaker 4: or if you love Tartan, really lean in and go crazy. 247 00:11:34,145 --> 00:11:36,785 Speaker 2: Yeah, and when it's out again, you don't have to 248 00:11:37,065 --> 00:11:39,065 Speaker 2: put it away, you know, keep wearing it. I love 249 00:11:39,105 --> 00:11:41,305 Speaker 2: that about you. I think that you're so steadfast in 250 00:11:41,425 --> 00:11:44,505 Speaker 2: knowing what works for you. When it comes to trends, 251 00:11:44,545 --> 00:11:47,625 Speaker 2: do you still dabble? Do you still like looking at them? 252 00:11:47,625 --> 00:11:49,825 Speaker 2: Do you like wearing them? Or are you pretty set 253 00:11:50,025 --> 00:11:52,625 Speaker 2: in your work look? And then I guess your home 254 00:11:52,705 --> 00:11:55,265 Speaker 2: look and travel look? But do you dabble in the trends? 255 00:11:55,585 --> 00:11:58,865 Speaker 4: If it's something that genuinely sparks joy when I see it, 256 00:11:58,905 --> 00:12:01,625 Speaker 4: then I will absolutely I feel no pressure to ever 257 00:12:01,705 --> 00:12:04,705 Speaker 4: do it. And again, because I feel like I'm more 258 00:12:04,865 --> 00:12:08,425 Speaker 4: observing and capturing, I've never felt like anyone expects me 259 00:12:08,665 --> 00:12:12,665 Speaker 4: next week. I'm mainly in my studio like no one cares, 260 00:12:12,905 --> 00:12:14,745 Speaker 4: So I don't feel any pressure to wear it. If 261 00:12:14,745 --> 00:12:17,785 Speaker 4: I was someone that was that lots of people saw 262 00:12:17,865 --> 00:12:18,185 Speaker 4: all the. 263 00:12:18,105 --> 00:12:21,385 Speaker 1: Time, more in the public eye, like weekly or Yeah. 264 00:12:21,425 --> 00:12:24,225 Speaker 4: But when things do come along that I think, oh, 265 00:12:24,265 --> 00:12:28,385 Speaker 4: I love even like denim jumpsuits, actually really do love them. 266 00:12:28,425 --> 00:12:30,905 Speaker 4: For example, even tho there's a lot of bathroom issues, 267 00:12:32,385 --> 00:12:36,025 Speaker 4: a really great baggy almost boiler suit denim jumpsuit, I 268 00:12:36,065 --> 00:12:37,905 Speaker 4: think it's really fun. So when things like that come in, 269 00:12:38,025 --> 00:12:40,745 Speaker 4: I will actually get really excited that's a trend that's happening, 270 00:12:40,785 --> 00:12:42,985 Speaker 4: and I'll think to myself, it will be really fun 271 00:12:43,545 --> 00:12:45,905 Speaker 4: to search from high end to low end to what 272 00:12:45,945 --> 00:12:48,265 Speaker 4: would be a great shape, and I will get one, 273 00:12:48,305 --> 00:12:50,105 Speaker 4: and I'll have so much fun wearing it, and I'll 274 00:12:50,105 --> 00:12:53,745 Speaker 4: be really excited that that's come in, whereas other the 275 00:12:53,785 --> 00:12:57,145 Speaker 4: trends not for you. Suddenly mid drifts are in. Whatever, 276 00:12:57,225 --> 00:12:59,705 Speaker 4: there's It's just I'm actually just fascinated by it and 277 00:12:59,745 --> 00:13:02,465 Speaker 4: I love watching other people wear it and do it. 278 00:13:02,545 --> 00:13:03,305 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fun. 279 00:13:03,625 --> 00:13:04,385 Speaker 4: It doesn't mean I. 280 00:13:04,345 --> 00:13:07,105 Speaker 2: Will I'm not particularly in the public eye except for 281 00:13:07,145 --> 00:13:09,145 Speaker 2: on social media. But I just really admire the fact 282 00:13:09,145 --> 00:13:11,825 Speaker 2: that you really do know your personal style and can 283 00:13:11,905 --> 00:13:16,705 Speaker 2: admire but not get distracted because I am still abou abert. 284 00:13:17,105 --> 00:13:20,705 Speaker 2: I'm still learning the difference between admiring and wanting and 285 00:13:20,745 --> 00:13:23,145 Speaker 2: then buying and regretting. And so you talk about the 286 00:13:23,185 --> 00:13:25,905 Speaker 2: boiler suit, for example, and you talk about searching height 287 00:13:25,945 --> 00:13:28,385 Speaker 2: and low. How do you shop? Are you an online shopper? 288 00:13:28,425 --> 00:13:30,225 Speaker 2: Are you a researcher? Are you impulsive? 289 00:13:30,825 --> 00:13:34,185 Speaker 4: If it's something that I really really love, I usually 290 00:13:34,265 --> 00:13:38,185 Speaker 4: know immediately, and even if there's nothing that I really 291 00:13:38,225 --> 00:13:40,785 Speaker 4: need that thing for I will buy that. Yeah thing. 292 00:13:40,905 --> 00:13:43,025 Speaker 1: It's emotional sometimes, isn't it. You fall in love? 293 00:13:43,905 --> 00:13:46,185 Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's like I can't live without that. You 294 00:13:46,465 --> 00:13:49,345 Speaker 4: just see something. I think it's just a great shape, 295 00:13:49,385 --> 00:13:51,425 Speaker 4: it's the right color. I don't know where or wear that. 296 00:13:51,505 --> 00:13:54,785 Speaker 4: I often do bank up pink things for my children's 297 00:13:54,785 --> 00:13:58,265 Speaker 4: book series because I discovered, well, I've just found that. 298 00:13:58,265 --> 00:14:01,225 Speaker 4: That was another incident where I had at her It 299 00:14:01,265 --> 00:14:02,985 Speaker 4: was a writer's festival and I had to do a 300 00:14:03,025 --> 00:14:05,625 Speaker 4: school visit and I packed a really fun pink dress 301 00:14:05,665 --> 00:14:07,985 Speaker 4: to go to the school to meet all the preps 302 00:14:08,065 --> 00:14:11,265 Speaker 4: to do a Claris reading and forgot to pack the 303 00:14:11,345 --> 00:14:14,385 Speaker 4: pink dress and it was just a one overnight. I 304 00:14:14,545 --> 00:14:16,705 Speaker 4: just had what I was wearing that day, and I 305 00:14:16,785 --> 00:14:20,425 Speaker 4: had it. It was a gray jacket with these gray pants, 306 00:14:20,425 --> 00:14:22,665 Speaker 4: like almost I got horrible accidentally corporate. 307 00:14:22,905 --> 00:14:23,905 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah. 308 00:14:24,025 --> 00:14:25,825 Speaker 4: It was fun with kids. And I always find that 309 00:14:25,825 --> 00:14:27,945 Speaker 4: they're always like that's the lady in the book. 310 00:14:28,025 --> 00:14:30,465 Speaker 2: Yes, And it's always like a character, particularly when it 311 00:14:30,465 --> 00:14:31,225 Speaker 2: comes to children. 312 00:14:31,305 --> 00:14:32,625 Speaker 1: Yeah, they were. 313 00:14:32,465 --> 00:14:34,545 Speaker 4: Really down and they were not excited to see me, 314 00:14:34,705 --> 00:14:36,545 Speaker 4: and they were not they were almost scared of me. 315 00:14:36,905 --> 00:14:38,985 Speaker 4: It looks like a corporate like. 316 00:14:39,305 --> 00:14:41,025 Speaker 1: It looked like a jupe of the real author. 317 00:14:42,625 --> 00:14:45,585 Speaker 4: Yeah, it just wasn't fun. So to answer your question, though, 318 00:14:45,625 --> 00:14:50,265 Speaker 4: I do bank up things for Claris, things often really fun, 319 00:14:50,385 --> 00:14:53,065 Speaker 4: crazy colorful pink things or things to go with books 320 00:14:53,065 --> 00:14:54,985 Speaker 4: that I know that are coming in that color, or 321 00:14:55,105 --> 00:14:56,625 Speaker 4: just things that I fall in love with. And then 322 00:14:56,625 --> 00:14:58,785 Speaker 4: if I don't see anything, I can go for ages 323 00:14:58,825 --> 00:15:01,425 Speaker 4: without buying single thing and I'm happy. 324 00:15:01,505 --> 00:15:03,425 Speaker 1: Yeah, fine, good on you. God. I need to find 325 00:15:03,425 --> 00:15:03,945 Speaker 1: that balance. 326 00:15:04,185 --> 00:15:05,905 Speaker 2: I think that's interesting though, when we hear time and 327 00:15:05,945 --> 00:15:08,585 Speaker 2: time again on the podcast that people are missing the 328 00:15:08,665 --> 00:15:11,345 Speaker 2: staple basics life the T shirt or maybe the jeens. 329 00:15:11,385 --> 00:15:13,745 Speaker 2: And that's because I can appreciate a good T shirt, 330 00:15:13,745 --> 00:15:15,825 Speaker 2: but it's not so often that I have an emotional 331 00:15:15,865 --> 00:15:17,785 Speaker 2: reaction to a T shirt. But you walk into a 332 00:15:17,785 --> 00:15:20,705 Speaker 2: store and there's a beautiful, flowing Maxi dress, you fall 333 00:15:20,705 --> 00:15:22,145 Speaker 2: in love in a different way than you fall in 334 00:15:22,145 --> 00:15:23,785 Speaker 2: love with a T shirt. Hence why a lot of 335 00:15:23,785 --> 00:15:26,465 Speaker 2: people are like, oh, yeah, basics missing from my wardrobe. 336 00:15:26,505 --> 00:15:30,345 Speaker 2: So now talking again about fast moving trends and just 337 00:15:30,385 --> 00:15:32,905 Speaker 2: trends over the decades you draw them, So what have 338 00:15:33,065 --> 00:15:35,985 Speaker 2: you observed, like, how has it been observing fashion through 339 00:15:36,025 --> 00:15:39,225 Speaker 2: the illustrating lens, and the rise of social media and 340 00:15:39,225 --> 00:15:41,985 Speaker 2: the trends moving faster than ever through drawing. 341 00:15:42,185 --> 00:15:43,865 Speaker 4: Well, this is really funny. Someone asked me the other 342 00:15:43,945 --> 00:15:45,905 Speaker 4: day about that scene in Devil Wears Prada, you know 343 00:15:45,945 --> 00:15:47,985 Speaker 4: where they talk about that blue. But you don't know 344 00:15:48,105 --> 00:15:51,985 Speaker 4: is that that sweater is not just blue. It's not turquois, 345 00:15:52,065 --> 00:15:55,785 Speaker 4: it's not lapis, it's actually ceruleum. If I'm illustrating things 346 00:15:55,945 --> 00:16:00,785 Speaker 4: for really in advance, I will often be really surprised 347 00:16:00,865 --> 00:16:03,065 Speaker 4: by what the color is, what is going to be, 348 00:16:03,265 --> 00:16:05,305 Speaker 4: and that wedge boots are back, and. 349 00:16:05,265 --> 00:16:07,345 Speaker 1: Things are they. 350 00:16:08,745 --> 00:16:09,665 Speaker 4: They weren't one. 351 00:16:09,745 --> 00:16:12,945 Speaker 1: Yes, it's not that I've been told though, but just. 352 00:16:12,905 --> 00:16:14,825 Speaker 4: Things that I think. It's almost like the more I think, 353 00:16:14,945 --> 00:16:17,065 Speaker 4: I just don't know that lilac is going to be 354 00:16:17,105 --> 00:16:19,385 Speaker 4: the color for everyone, all that wedge boots are coming. 355 00:16:19,705 --> 00:16:23,545 Speaker 4: It's usually about two years before and then within about 356 00:16:23,585 --> 00:16:26,225 Speaker 4: that twelve months then you do see in designer collections 357 00:16:26,305 --> 00:16:29,465 Speaker 4: that lilac color and wedge booth. And then about a 358 00:16:29,545 --> 00:16:30,305 Speaker 4: year after that. 359 00:16:30,225 --> 00:16:34,025 Speaker 2: Then it's in Yeah, zar as Aha. That always blows 360 00:16:34,065 --> 00:16:36,025 Speaker 2: my mind. I'm like somewhere in a room I know 361 00:16:36,185 --> 00:16:38,665 Speaker 2: and you know, you can buy access to these summits 362 00:16:38,705 --> 00:16:41,385 Speaker 2: and stuff, but someone setting all the trends and how 363 00:16:41,385 --> 00:16:43,065 Speaker 2: do they know? And I remember when I traveled to 364 00:16:43,105 --> 00:16:46,025 Speaker 2: London in June and the ice blue was everywhere because 365 00:16:46,025 --> 00:16:48,025 Speaker 2: it was their high summer and I was like, oh no, 366 00:16:48,225 --> 00:16:50,025 Speaker 2: that looks very cheap and I'm not. 367 00:16:49,945 --> 00:16:51,425 Speaker 1: Going to be that color. And what have I bought 368 00:16:51,465 --> 00:16:52,385 Speaker 1: for the last few weeks. 369 00:16:52,465 --> 00:16:54,585 Speaker 2: Not that I've bought a lot, but everything I'm looking 370 00:16:54,625 --> 00:16:56,705 Speaker 2: at is ice blue and I'm like, oh, well, yep, 371 00:16:57,105 --> 00:16:57,505 Speaker 2: a sheep. 372 00:16:57,825 --> 00:16:59,465 Speaker 1: But it's fascinating, isn't it. 373 00:16:59,465 --> 00:17:00,985 Speaker 4: It is because I think the other thing too, is 374 00:17:01,025 --> 00:17:03,065 Speaker 4: that they become our options. 375 00:17:03,345 --> 00:17:04,265 Speaker 1: Yes, that's true. 376 00:17:04,505 --> 00:17:07,625 Speaker 4: Most people are not buying the original ice blue thing 377 00:17:07,625 --> 00:17:11,225 Speaker 4: from Shanella duor for example, we're buying it from Zara 378 00:17:11,425 --> 00:17:14,185 Speaker 4: or places that it opens up. They're doing that great 379 00:17:14,265 --> 00:17:17,425 Speaker 4: new shape jacket in either ice blue, beij black or cream. 380 00:17:17,825 --> 00:17:19,985 Speaker 4: So that's why we do end up with that specific gusts. 381 00:17:20,105 --> 00:17:20,785 Speaker 1: It's so true. 382 00:17:20,785 --> 00:17:22,745 Speaker 2: And it's like, you know, you buy a red car 383 00:17:22,785 --> 00:17:24,505 Speaker 2: and then you see that model all over the street. 384 00:17:24,785 --> 00:17:27,145 Speaker 2: It was probably there, it's just once it's on your radar, 385 00:17:27,385 --> 00:17:30,745 Speaker 2: then you deced it everywhere. Now, before we get into 386 00:17:30,785 --> 00:17:35,065 Speaker 2: busion budget, one last question. Do you have any strategies 387 00:17:35,145 --> 00:17:38,665 Speaker 2: or creative rituals to keep your stylf fresh for yourself 388 00:17:39,265 --> 00:17:42,425 Speaker 2: and for your work, Because you've nailed who you are 389 00:17:42,505 --> 00:17:45,305 Speaker 2: what you do, but then you don't seem bored of 390 00:17:45,305 --> 00:17:46,225 Speaker 2: who you are or what you do. 391 00:17:46,345 --> 00:17:47,705 Speaker 1: How do you keep it exciting? 392 00:17:48,385 --> 00:17:50,225 Speaker 4: Oh wow, that's a nice thing to. 393 00:17:50,185 --> 00:17:52,705 Speaker 2: Say, because I've been in the industry twenty years and 394 00:17:52,745 --> 00:17:54,945 Speaker 2: I'm sometimes like I'm a bit bored of I love 395 00:17:54,985 --> 00:17:57,225 Speaker 2: what I do, but you know, decades. 396 00:17:56,905 --> 00:18:00,865 Speaker 4: Do you get bored? I get bored of me too, totally, 397 00:18:01,145 --> 00:18:04,465 Speaker 4: I think because for me there's a sense of once 398 00:18:04,505 --> 00:18:07,505 Speaker 4: I made that decision to always feel comfortable. Even now, 399 00:18:07,545 --> 00:18:10,785 Speaker 4: I don't wear all my neggar really high heels because 400 00:18:10,825 --> 00:18:14,105 Speaker 4: I know that I will be miserable within half an 401 00:18:14,105 --> 00:18:16,825 Speaker 4: hour whatever it is, So I've just cut things down 402 00:18:16,825 --> 00:18:18,545 Speaker 4: to things at heights. I know I can be in 403 00:18:18,585 --> 00:18:21,225 Speaker 4: all night and be happy. I think once I've given 404 00:18:21,225 --> 00:18:26,545 Speaker 4: myself the parameters of joy around fashion with exacting yes, yeah, 405 00:18:26,665 --> 00:18:28,625 Speaker 4: then within that I can actually have a lot of 406 00:18:28,665 --> 00:18:30,985 Speaker 4: fun with it because I love suiting as well. So 407 00:18:31,065 --> 00:18:33,945 Speaker 4: even just within suiting, knowing that. Okay, I've got an 408 00:18:33,985 --> 00:18:37,185 Speaker 4: exact link on my leg that I can either still 409 00:18:37,185 --> 00:18:38,425 Speaker 4: do it with a heel or I can do it 410 00:18:38,465 --> 00:18:41,745 Speaker 4: with a trainer. Yes, because before that, I had all 411 00:18:41,785 --> 00:18:44,065 Speaker 4: these great suits for different reasons, and I never wore 412 00:18:44,065 --> 00:18:46,465 Speaker 4: any of them because they involved wearing a really high 413 00:18:46,465 --> 00:18:50,145 Speaker 4: boot so that pant didn't drag a yes, And then 414 00:18:50,185 --> 00:18:52,265 Speaker 4: I suddenly realized, no, there's an actual length where I 415 00:18:52,305 --> 00:18:54,225 Speaker 4: can do both. And as soon as I got all 416 00:18:54,225 --> 00:18:57,665 Speaker 4: my good suit trousers tailored to that length, I wear 417 00:18:57,705 --> 00:18:59,585 Speaker 4: them all the time now. So now I've added sort 418 00:18:59,625 --> 00:19:01,785 Speaker 4: of suits and shirts and things to a lot of 419 00:19:01,785 --> 00:19:03,545 Speaker 4: them as well, and again it's comfort so I can 420 00:19:03,585 --> 00:19:04,065 Speaker 4: walk in it. 421 00:19:04,105 --> 00:19:07,185 Speaker 2: So Addie, you're right, because practicality and joy can coexist. 422 00:19:07,265 --> 00:19:09,425 Speaker 2: It's just kind of looking at your lifestyle and going, okay, 423 00:19:09,745 --> 00:19:12,545 Speaker 2: I love those fashion pieces, but my lifestyle is flats now, 424 00:19:12,705 --> 00:19:14,505 Speaker 2: or you know, I've got a fall child or whatever, 425 00:19:14,545 --> 00:19:16,425 Speaker 2: and you can fuse the two. It doesn't have to 426 00:19:16,425 --> 00:19:18,185 Speaker 2: be just leggings and a T shirt, although that's me 427 00:19:18,265 --> 00:19:18,865 Speaker 2: a lot of the time. 428 00:19:19,265 --> 00:19:20,985 Speaker 1: You can have joy and practicality. 429 00:19:21,305 --> 00:19:21,945 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think. 430 00:19:21,825 --> 00:19:37,905 Speaker 3: So it's very expensive, how wondred. 431 00:19:40,825 --> 00:19:41,945 Speaker 1: Okay, Boogie and budget. 432 00:19:41,985 --> 00:19:45,185 Speaker 2: So we're bringing our favorite something affordable, something maybe not 433 00:19:45,225 --> 00:19:47,745 Speaker 2: so affordable, favorite personal style items. 434 00:19:47,785 --> 00:19:49,585 Speaker 1: Do you want to start with your bootie or your budget? 435 00:19:49,865 --> 00:19:50,785 Speaker 4: I'll start with budget. 436 00:19:50,825 --> 00:19:51,865 Speaker 1: Okay, let's do budget. 437 00:19:51,985 --> 00:19:56,625 Speaker 4: Change my theory on budget Okay. Originally because I phospher wear, well, no, 438 00:19:56,745 --> 00:19:58,585 Speaker 4: my thing was always I spent a lot of time 439 00:19:58,625 --> 00:20:00,345 Speaker 4: in my studio drawing, and so I need to be 440 00:20:00,345 --> 00:20:02,185 Speaker 4: comfortable to do that. And I thought to myself, I 441 00:20:02,225 --> 00:20:06,105 Speaker 4: should invest in a really great a cream cashmere jumper 442 00:20:06,185 --> 00:20:08,665 Speaker 4: because that's the thing I'm wearing all the time. So 443 00:20:08,705 --> 00:20:10,425 Speaker 4: that's what I should actually invest in. This is what 444 00:20:10,505 --> 00:20:13,745 Speaker 4: I thought. So then I bought a very expensive Scottish 445 00:20:14,145 --> 00:20:17,785 Speaker 4: one of the top of the range cashmere cream jumpers 446 00:20:18,025 --> 00:20:21,185 Speaker 4: because I thought this will last a very long time. 447 00:20:21,465 --> 00:20:23,385 Speaker 4: I wear it all the time. This makes more sense 448 00:20:23,545 --> 00:20:26,945 Speaker 4: than spending a lot of money on a crazy Maxi dress. Yes, 449 00:20:27,145 --> 00:20:29,545 Speaker 4: I bought the Kashmir jumper. And then it was almost 450 00:20:29,625 --> 00:20:32,785 Speaker 4: like having a third child. I had to hand wash it. 451 00:20:33,185 --> 00:20:36,225 Speaker 4: I was actually terrified of anything happening to it if 452 00:20:36,265 --> 00:20:38,985 Speaker 4: I had to lay it flat. I was worried someone 453 00:20:39,025 --> 00:20:40,505 Speaker 4: else might accientally put it in the wash. 454 00:20:41,065 --> 00:20:44,025 Speaker 1: It was stress for yourself. Yeah. 455 00:20:44,585 --> 00:20:46,545 Speaker 4: And then in the end, what happened was I was 456 00:20:46,785 --> 00:20:49,945 Speaker 4: coming out of the studio and it got caught and 457 00:20:49,985 --> 00:20:52,865 Speaker 4: pulled a whole right in front of my chest, and 458 00:20:52,905 --> 00:20:56,025 Speaker 4: I realized in that moment, You've spent a year stressing 459 00:20:56,065 --> 00:20:58,745 Speaker 4: about this stupid jumper and now it's got a hole 460 00:20:58,785 --> 00:21:00,705 Speaker 4: in it. I can't even fix it because you can't 461 00:21:00,705 --> 00:21:03,385 Speaker 4: stitch up that bit there. So now my theory is 462 00:21:03,425 --> 00:21:06,545 Speaker 4: with budget is to actually not spend a lot. So 463 00:21:06,585 --> 00:21:09,145 Speaker 4: I get all my cashmir jumpers cream from Uni. 464 00:21:09,745 --> 00:21:11,305 Speaker 1: I just say, I hope you ended up at you 465 00:21:11,385 --> 00:21:12,745 Speaker 1: to Golo, Yes I have. 466 00:21:12,705 --> 00:21:14,465 Speaker 4: And I get a couple of them in cream, and 467 00:21:14,505 --> 00:21:17,945 Speaker 4: then I have no stress whatever. Ironically, nothing's happened. 468 00:21:18,585 --> 00:21:21,385 Speaker 2: They're pretty durable, and I'm not a good laundry person, 469 00:21:21,385 --> 00:21:22,345 Speaker 2: they're pretty durable. 470 00:21:22,505 --> 00:21:24,945 Speaker 4: Yeah, They're fine and T shirts as well. So my 471 00:21:25,025 --> 00:21:27,345 Speaker 4: theory is not to try and have one precious basic 472 00:21:27,425 --> 00:21:31,985 Speaker 4: but to wear them with abandonment and expect things to 473 00:21:31,985 --> 00:21:34,425 Speaker 4: get spilt on them and replace them. Yeah. 474 00:21:34,465 --> 00:21:37,225 Speaker 2: And I also think, you know, budget can mean cheap, 475 00:21:37,265 --> 00:21:40,185 Speaker 2: but it can also just mean affordable but still good quality, 476 00:21:40,225 --> 00:21:42,065 Speaker 2: because that's the same as me. My budget is one 477 00:21:42,065 --> 00:21:44,025 Speaker 2: of the uniclow T shirts. It's the one hundred percent 478 00:21:44,025 --> 00:21:46,865 Speaker 2: cotton crew neck T shirt nineteen dollars ninety. I actually 479 00:21:46,905 --> 00:21:48,985 Speaker 2: get the men's because I prefer the bit more over it, so. 480 00:21:49,345 --> 00:21:50,865 Speaker 4: I let the men's shape and the arms are a 481 00:21:50,905 --> 00:21:51,385 Speaker 4: bit longer. 482 00:21:52,625 --> 00:21:55,585 Speaker 2: Bus Honestly, I have thrashed mine. I have washed them 483 00:21:55,585 --> 00:21:58,225 Speaker 2: with any opposite color under the sun, and they're still 484 00:21:58,265 --> 00:22:01,065 Speaker 2: so good. So budget can still be good quality. It's 485 00:22:01,065 --> 00:22:02,625 Speaker 2: just not costing you thousands of dollars. 486 00:22:02,785 --> 00:22:06,345 Speaker 4: Yeah, and then you can relax in you like your 487 00:22:06,505 --> 00:22:08,385 Speaker 4: day and enjoy your life. 488 00:22:08,465 --> 00:22:09,225 Speaker 1: There's no point. 489 00:22:09,865 --> 00:22:11,625 Speaker 2: Of course, you've got occasionalwhere but if you've got stuff 490 00:22:11,625 --> 00:22:13,425 Speaker 2: in your water, that's two precious step of aware. 491 00:22:13,625 --> 00:22:14,625 Speaker 1: What's really the point? 492 00:22:14,865 --> 00:22:16,665 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, I agree, But do you have. 493 00:22:16,625 --> 00:22:18,945 Speaker 2: A bougie for me? Do you have something quite fancy 494 00:22:19,185 --> 00:22:19,705 Speaker 2: so bougie? 495 00:22:19,745 --> 00:22:23,505 Speaker 4: On the other extreme are things that I really have 496 00:22:24,185 --> 00:22:26,505 Speaker 4: thought long and hard about before I've bought them. And 497 00:22:26,505 --> 00:22:30,905 Speaker 4: it's normally things like say, handbags or pieces of jewelry. 498 00:22:30,945 --> 00:22:33,625 Speaker 4: When I say jewelry, I don't mean you know, crazy 499 00:22:33,705 --> 00:22:36,985 Speaker 4: high and jewelry, just sort of accessories that again with 500 00:22:37,105 --> 00:22:39,865 Speaker 4: those basics suddenly, so then It means that if I 501 00:22:39,905 --> 00:22:43,025 Speaker 4: am in my uniclothes sweater with some jeans and just 502 00:22:43,065 --> 00:22:46,465 Speaker 4: a really basic slide or pair of flats, then if 503 00:22:46,465 --> 00:22:49,945 Speaker 4: I've got a bag that just really makes me feel amazing, 504 00:22:50,145 --> 00:22:52,865 Speaker 4: or some really amazing accessories with that that I do 505 00:22:52,905 --> 00:22:55,665 Speaker 4: look after and I do plan to keep forever, give 506 00:22:55,705 --> 00:22:58,185 Speaker 4: to my daughter one day. They're the things that I 507 00:22:58,305 --> 00:23:01,185 Speaker 4: do really invest in in a splint and I don't 508 00:23:01,185 --> 00:23:03,785 Speaker 4: always go for just the classics. Sometimes there are things 509 00:23:04,465 --> 00:23:09,545 Speaker 4: that are crazy and wild, but there's something that for 510 00:23:09,705 --> 00:23:12,105 Speaker 4: ever will be fun and forever be fun with something 511 00:23:12,225 --> 00:23:14,065 Speaker 4: basic or with something over them. 512 00:23:14,225 --> 00:23:15,945 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that obviously speaks to you, and if you're 513 00:23:15,945 --> 00:23:17,945 Speaker 2: gonna have it forever, that's part of your personal style, 514 00:23:18,025 --> 00:23:20,505 Speaker 2: isn't it. That's exactly what I was about. My boogie 515 00:23:20,545 --> 00:23:23,825 Speaker 2: is not very boogie, But I have come to just 516 00:23:23,985 --> 00:23:26,065 Speaker 2: admit that I am jeans and a T shirt. I mean, 517 00:23:26,105 --> 00:23:28,545 Speaker 2: I have a lot of clothes. I love experimenting, but 518 00:23:28,905 --> 00:23:31,745 Speaker 2: my ten percent is when I'm running out the door 519 00:23:31,745 --> 00:23:33,465 Speaker 2: I've got my son, I run upstairs to my bedroom 520 00:23:33,505 --> 00:23:34,945 Speaker 2: and I throw on jeans and a T shirt. And 521 00:23:34,985 --> 00:23:38,345 Speaker 2: so really that's probably what I'll be buried in I 522 00:23:38,425 --> 00:23:41,305 Speaker 2: love the barrel leg jean. I know it's controversial. I 523 00:23:41,345 --> 00:23:45,185 Speaker 2: love a tasted leg jean. I love them, and I'm 524 00:23:45,185 --> 00:23:47,025 Speaker 2: not particularly tall and I try and we're a little 525 00:23:47,065 --> 00:23:48,585 Speaker 2: kitten heel, but I can get away with a sandal. 526 00:23:48,985 --> 00:23:51,265 Speaker 2: So I just bought and they're not expensive. But compared 527 00:23:51,305 --> 00:23:54,385 Speaker 2: to my twenty dollars T shirt, the Cause arch tapered jean, 528 00:23:54,945 --> 00:23:57,625 Speaker 2: they're like a winter white soft cream, but not a 529 00:23:57,705 --> 00:24:01,905 Speaker 2: very yellowy cream. The balloon shape, the barrel isn't too hectic, 530 00:24:01,945 --> 00:24:03,825 Speaker 2: and there are one hundred and thirty nine dollars And 531 00:24:04,305 --> 00:24:05,665 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, I want to be 532 00:24:05,745 --> 00:24:08,425 Speaker 2: so many different personalities because I haven't nailed my personal 533 00:24:08,465 --> 00:24:11,145 Speaker 2: branding yet. But if I had personal brand, it's jeans 534 00:24:11,185 --> 00:24:13,265 Speaker 2: and a T shirt. So they're those beautiful couse jeans. 535 00:24:13,465 --> 00:24:15,745 Speaker 4: That shape's really flattering. I think so too. 536 00:24:15,785 --> 00:24:18,345 Speaker 2: A lot of people say it's not. It depends on 537 00:24:18,385 --> 00:24:21,305 Speaker 2: where the balloon happens. It can't happen enough near the hips. 538 00:24:21,305 --> 00:24:22,225 Speaker 2: It's got to be lower down. 539 00:24:22,465 --> 00:24:24,225 Speaker 4: It gives like a good waist, and then I love 540 00:24:24,265 --> 00:24:25,985 Speaker 4: that it comes into the angle and looks so good 541 00:24:26,025 --> 00:24:27,145 Speaker 4: with like a huge agreed. 542 00:24:27,225 --> 00:24:29,825 Speaker 2: I'm a huge advocate for Ita. My boss hates them 543 00:24:29,825 --> 00:24:32,225 Speaker 2: and we argue vehemently about it. But I will stand 544 00:24:32,305 --> 00:24:34,625 Speaker 2: up for a balloon or a bewl Jean any day. 545 00:24:34,465 --> 00:24:35,465 Speaker 4: Of the week too. 546 00:24:35,705 --> 00:24:38,105 Speaker 2: Megan, you are such a joy. I am desperate to 547 00:24:38,105 --> 00:24:40,665 Speaker 2: come and play in your wardrobe until then in time, 548 00:24:40,825 --> 00:24:43,025 Speaker 2: please thank you so much for joining us, and all 549 00:24:43,025 --> 00:24:44,825 Speaker 2: the best for your twenty second book. 550 00:24:44,865 --> 00:24:45,505 Speaker 1: That's amazing. 551 00:24:46,065 --> 00:24:48,665 Speaker 4: Thank you Lee, thanks for having me, Thank you. 552 00:24:48,625 --> 00:24:51,065 Speaker 2: For listening to Nothing to Wear. Don't forget to sign 553 00:24:51,145 --> 00:24:53,345 Speaker 2: up to the Nothing to Wear newsletter. 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