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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Muma Mer's twice daily

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Speaker 2: news podcast, The Quickie.

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Speaker 3: It was women's groups, women's voices, and women's energy that

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Speaker 2: That's the Liberal leader Susan Lee, speaking at the National

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Speaker 2: Press Club. She may be the first woman to leave

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Speaker 2: women currently representing the Liberals is pretty small, so how

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Speaker 2: do they fix it? Plus a big update for you

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Speaker 2: on the Idaho University sharehouse murders, which we'll see the

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Speaker 2: is Claire Murphy with the latest from the QUICKI newsroom

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Speaker 2: for Wednesday, July.

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Speaker 1: Two, Thanks Taylor. More than thirteen hundred incidents have been

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Speaker 1: reported as heavy rain and strong winds hit the New

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Speaker 1: due to coastal erosion as the strong winds and heavy

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Speaker 1: Trains were also disrupted after a tree crashed through the

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Speaker 1: experts say this storm is a rare one, with two

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Speaker 1: the strong winds and rainfall. Areas around Woollongong were hit

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Speaker 1: has also led to multiple flights out of Sydney Airport

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Speaker 1: testimony regarding a twenty sixteen incident at an Intercontinental hotel

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Speaker 1: a freak off Combs's term for a drug fuelled sex marathon,

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Speaker 1: CNN aired the footage. The Republican controlled Senate has passed

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Speaker 1: US President Donald Trump's tax and spending bill. The massive

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Speaker 2: Thanks Claire. Next, does the Liberal Party need quotas for women?

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Speaker 2: Last week, newly minted Liberal Party leader Susan Lee addressed

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Speaker 2: so in three years. She was there to share the

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Speaker 2: But one question remains as the party's election loss post

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Speaker 2: It's now no secret that the Liberal Party's gender imbalance

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Speaker 2: Party caucus is made up of fifty six percent female representation.

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Speaker 2: So how do they fix it? Is it time for

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Speaker 3: Current approaches have clearly not worked, so I'm open to

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Speaker 2: But she does remain agnostic on the method, focusing instead

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Speaker 3: As the first woman leader of our federal party, let

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Speaker 3: me send the clearest possible message. We need to do better,

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Speaker 2: Other senior Liberals have chimed in on the matter, like

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Speaker 2: His solution mentoring and recruitment. Former Prime Minister Tony Abbott

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Speaker 2: Within the party itself, there's a split. Moderates are pushing

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Speaker 2: quotas to boost female numbers. Lee's leadership is seen as

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Speaker 2: a pivot towards modernizing the party's image and reconnecting with

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Speaker 2: Its future may well depend on how seriously it takes

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Speaker 2: this issue and whether it can finally deliver on its

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Speaker 2: by News Why Federal Politics reported Jess Wang. Jess, how

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Speaker 4: I mean, let's be honest, It's been happening for a

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Speaker 4: be better at recruiting and keeping women, and I guess

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Speaker 4: we've just had a second election where that issue has

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Speaker 4: made a mandate to the state branches to recruit more

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Speaker 4: It's all well and good to have female candidates, but

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Speaker 4: pick up seats, you're never going to increase you're quota.

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Speaker 2: You were there when Susan Lee addressed the National Press

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Speaker 2: Club last week, she talked about this task of getting

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Speaker 2: he said, most importantly, back into winnable seats. She wouldn't

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Speaker 4: She pretty much sent this message out, I don't care

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Speaker 4: how you do it. Some branches might put in quotas,

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Speaker 4: others won't. Her message was really strong. It was I

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Speaker 4: don't care how you do it. I just want more

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Speaker 4: wouldn't give a number, but she did say that they

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Speaker 4: could potentially be federal intervention if branches weren't able to

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Speaker 4: sort of meet that quota. And that's a pretty big deal,

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Speaker 4: like federal intervention. So when I guess the opposition leader

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Speaker 4: a pretty big deal for the Liberal Party.

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Speaker 2: What have other liberals said about this idea of mandating

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Speaker 2: a number of women. I can't imagine many of them

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Speaker 4: No, you're absolutely right, and I guess the idea of

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Speaker 4: there has been movement. Linda Reynolds is a retiring WI senator.

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Speaker 4: She's been somebody who has been pushing for a short term,

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Speaker 4: and she says that we need that sort of short

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Speaker 4: term boost going forward just to get more women into

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Speaker 4: the party. We've had a few politicians change their mind.

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Speaker 4: Anne Rustin, she's a very prominent South Australian senator. She

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Speaker 4: Her words now have been it's something we have to consider.

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Speaker 4: So I guess the idea is that nothing else has worked.

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Speaker 4: We've got to at least consider it and sort of

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Speaker 4: Angus Taylor has sort of come out pup saying that

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Speaker 4: there are other ways to do it through like mentoring. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Interesting that the divide even within the Liberal Party has

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Speaker 4: First thing, First, you have to acknowledge that political memberships

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Speaker 4: She's retained her seat. When she first stood up for

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Speaker 4: somebody who would vote Liberal and has gone like this

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Speaker 4: is not the party that I want to represent, or

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Speaker 4: does not represent me. I'm going to go out on

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Speaker 4: my own.

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Speaker 2: So after the election, obviously there was a lot to

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Speaker 2: smoothed things over now. But is the answer then, maybe Jess,

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Speaker 4: At a certain point, I think that's going to be

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Speaker 4: Party needs National Party to get into parliament. It'll be

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Speaker 4: really interesting to see what comes out of the review,

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Speaker 4: I should also say I spoke to Melissa Macintosh. She's

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Speaker 2: Back in April, we brought you fresh details in the

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Speaker 2: case of Brian Coburger. He's the man accused of fatally

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Speaker 2: stabbing for University of Idaho students in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: In a major development, Coburger has pleaded guilty to all charges,

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Speaker 4: Him the death penalty.

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Speaker 2: He faces four counts of first degree murder and one

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Speaker 2: count of burglary. Under the agreement, he'll receive four consecutive

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Speaker 2: while also waiving his rights to appeal. This plea comes

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Speaker 2: just weeks before his trial was set to begin next month,

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Speaker 2: with jury selection scheduled for early July. The murder shocked

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Speaker 2: the small college town of Moscow, Idaho, and triggered a

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Speaker 2: nearly seven week man hunt back in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: Coburger was a criminology pitch D student at Washington State

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Speaker 2: University at the time. He was arrested in December twenty

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Speaker 2: The victim's roommates, Kaylee Madison, Zana, and Zana's boyfriend Ethan

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Speaker 2: The plea deal has been met with mixed reactions. Prosecutors

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Speaker 2: sad insure's justice without the uncertainty of a lengthy trial

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Speaker 2: and appeals process. However, some family members of the victims

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Speaker 2: have been pursued. The sentencing is expected later this month.

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