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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylorstrano. This is Mamma MIA's twice daily news podcast,

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Speaker 2: The Quickie. The Gaza Ceaspire is now finished after Israeli airstrikes,

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Speaker 2: so today we're looking at what this means for the

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Speaker 2: region moving forward. Plus there's a new question you'll need

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Speaker 2: to answer before getting cosmetic injectables in Australian clinics. But

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Speaker 2: first here's Claire Murphy. Were the latest from the Quickie

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Speaker 2: newsroom for Thursday March twenty Thanks Taylor.

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Speaker 1: The inquest into the death of twenty one year old

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Speaker 1: water polo coach Lily James has heard a theory as

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Speaker 1: Forensic psychologist Katie Sidler analyzed Miss james colleague Paul Tyson,

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Speaker 1: who she had a brief relationship with that ended just

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Speaker 1: five days before her death, saying he had a fragile

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Speaker 1: sense of self and saw himself as inadequate and unworthy,

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Speaker 1: which led him to create a flawless public image. She

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Speaker 1: went on to say that while he'd shown coercive control

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Speaker 1: behavior in relationships, he had no history of aggression, concluding

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Speaker 1: that nothing could have been done to prevent the attack.

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Speaker 1: The court heard the details of Miss James's death, including

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Speaker 1: that she'd been struck with a hammer in the head

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Speaker 1: at least twenty five times inside St Andrew's Cathedral School,

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Speaker 1: where they both worked. The inquest will wrap today with

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Speaker 1: evidence from the e Safety Commissioner and statements from Miss

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Speaker 1: James's family. Labour has promised that Australians will pay no

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Speaker 1: more than twenty five dollars per prescription for certain medicines

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Speaker 1: if they are re elected from January one. The maximum

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Speaker 1: amount patients would pay for prescription medicines listed on the

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Speaker 1: Pharmaceutical Benefit Scheme will be reduced from thirty dollars to

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Speaker 1: twenty five, making four out of five PBS medications cheaper

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Speaker 1: and saving Ozzie's two hundred million dollars a year, reducing

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Speaker 1: the programme's patient cost cap to the lowest it's been

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Speaker 1: in twenty years. The six hundred and eighty nine million

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Speaker 1: be handed out on Tuesday. Minister Anthony Albernizi saying with

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Speaker 1: He said, We've got you back, and as we await

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Speaker 1: the election, to be officially called Mumma MIA has launched

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Speaker 1: a new survey to cut through the noise and find

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Speaker 1: out exactly what matters to you before we head to

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Speaker 1: the polls. The link to the Mumamea vote surveys in

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Speaker 1: the show notes We'd love to hear from you what

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Speaker 1: will be influencing your choices when you feel out your

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Speaker 1: ballot papers. Both Russia and Ukraine have accused each other

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Speaker 1: of violating a new agreement to stop targeting energy infrastructure

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Speaker 1: just hours after the deal was struck by US President

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. Despite the disagreement, another prisoner swap went ahead

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Speaker 1: after Trump spoke to both Vladimir Putin and Vladimir Zelenski,

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Speaker 1: saying that they were very much on track. Trump said

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Speaker 1: the call with Zelenski was a very good telephone call,

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Speaker 1: the first conversation the pair have had since the meeting

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Speaker 2: That's all.

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Speaker 1: Mister Zelenski leave without ever speaking about a deal the

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Speaker 1: US wanted to negotiate for Ukrainian resources both Trump and

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Speaker 1: Vice President JD. Vance yelling at Zelenski to be more

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Speaker 1: grateful for US support. While this is the most progress

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Speaker 1: Russia and Ukraine has experienced in the now three year war.

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Speaker 1: Russia has accused Ukraine of hitting an oil depot in

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Speaker 1: also knocking out power to some of the rail system.

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Speaker 1: Rumor Willis says her dad Bruce is going great as

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Speaker 1: the actor celebrates his seventieth birthday. The Diehard actor was

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Speaker 1: Thanks for asking. She went on to explain that it's

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Speaker 1: happy birthday. Willis's wife, Emma Heming Willis, revealed earlier this

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Speaker 2: Thanks Claire. Next, why has the Gaza seas fire collapsed

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Speaker 2: Senior lecturer in International Relations at Flinders University, doctor Jessica Genauer.

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Speaker 2: Jess can you help us understand what the January seas

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Speaker 3: So, as part of this seasbi agreement, it was supposed

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Speaker 3: So the humanitarian situation is incredibly dire, and it's due

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Speaker 2: It's tricky to nail down the numbers, but do we

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Speaker 2: There's been a lot of international reaction to what's been

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Speaker 2: What's Australia's response been.

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Speaker 3: So Australia has broadly condemned some of the military action

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Speaker 2: Jess looking ahead, what are the possibilities for another ceasefire agreement?

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Speaker 2: Well, speaking of Trump and ceasefires, can we just quickly

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Speaker 2: a potential ceasefire between Russia and Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: So we've seen the US administration more or less pressure

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Speaker 2: If you've been thinking about getting anti wrinkle injections, there's

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Speaker 2: not about your medical history. Cosmetic practitioners across Australia have

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Speaker 2: been implementing a psychological screening process that's changing the way

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Speaker 2: Aaron Doherty has been looking into the changes erin what

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Speaker 2: exactly is this new screening process?

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Speaker 4: Okay, so it's pretty interesting. So these guidelines actually came

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Speaker 4: because APRA, which is the Australian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency

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Speaker 4: kind of treating it as like an emotional band aid.

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Speaker 4: There's people who might kind of fixate on like a

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Speaker 4: So basically this screening was brought in to try and

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Speaker 2: Okay, So if I were to go to a clinic

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Speaker 2: What would that process look like? Is it someone hands

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Speaker 4: explained that there's usually forms that some clinics will use.

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Speaker 2: So they're kind of like the red flags that you're

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they're kind of like the red flags that people

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Speaker 2: So, say if you check yes on one of those

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Speaker 4: Not necessarily, it's not like you kind of get flagged

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Speaker 4: If someone really wants treatment and gets turned away from

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Speaker 4: just like, it's not always like a straightforward application.

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Speaker 2: Sure, so it's not black and white. It's more just

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Speaker 4: Yes, so you don't need a GP referral when it

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Speaker 2: What about the response from clinicians and patients in regards

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Speaker 4: I feel like you've got really good clinics that are

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Speaker 4: probably going to do this kind of screening initially. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: Doctor Chad did mention that for experienced practitioners with mental

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Speaker 2: But it is a good thing.

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Speaker 4: I think some patients, as you said, might get caught

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Speaker 4: Last time I was in, I just sat down and

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Speaker 4: They're a medical procedure. And while we now treat it

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Speaker 2: Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with

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Speaker 2: us today. The Quikie is produced by me Taylor Strano,

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