Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.
Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and warders
Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. So I'm going to
Speaker 2: cancel my plans.
Speaker 3: Wooh, canceled plans.
Speaker 2: Like think culturally about how much now we celebrate introversion,
Speaker 2: canceled plans. I don't have to go to mom's boundaries,
Speaker 2: like all the things that where we're like, we want
Speaker 2: to build a little wall around ourselves. And I think
Speaker 2: it's because we just want to be alone with our phones,
Speaker 2: right because it's easy. Hello, and welcome to Mama Mia
Speaker 2: out Loud and to our Friday's show. You won't hear
Speaker 2: any news on the show today, which is a shame.
Speaker 2: Actually it's lucky because hardly anything's happened.
Speaker 4: This week, really slow, very quiet news week. Anyway, we
Speaker 4: are taking a deep breath, we are leaving all of
Speaker 4: that in the week behind us and just.
Speaker 2: Having to chat up today.
Speaker 4: It's Friday, the.
Speaker 2: Twenty fourth of January, and I'm Holly Waynwright, I'm mea.
Speaker 3: Freeman, and I'm Jesse Stevens.
Speaker 2: And on the show today, are you more anti social
Speaker 2: than you used to be, than your parents were, than
Speaker 2: you'd like to be welcome friends to the anti social century,
Speaker 2: where we just like everyone.
Speaker 3: Else to bubble us.
Speaker 2: Also a Doctomea is obsessed with a podcast for super
Speaker 2: fans and a trademark Jesse Stevens depressing TV show. Yes
Speaker 2: It's Recommendations and our best and Worst of the week.
Speaker 2: Jesse had a very bad Tuesday. I met a beautiful
Speaker 2: super villain and MEA's brain is betraying her. But first
Speaker 2: I want to ask you about something. Should children stand
Speaker 2: up when an adult enters the room?
Speaker 3: I don't hate it? Do you hate it?
Speaker 1: Or if I want to sit down?
Speaker 2: They should?
Speaker 1: And there's not enough chairs?
Speaker 2: Oh wow?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 2: Should they stand up when their mother enters the room?
Speaker 2: I'm asking because Maria Shriver, who's a Kennedy of sorts
Speaker 2: and Arnold Schwarzenegger's ex wife, says she has always made
Speaker 2: her for now adult kids do that. Here's what she
Speaker 2: says about it.
Speaker 5: When Maria comes into her home and there are children there,
Speaker 5: her sons, her daughters and their friends, they stand up. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I make them stand up, she makes them so. I
Speaker 5: used to make them. Now they just do stand up. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but yeah, well my mother did that so I've there's
Speaker 5: many things that I've emulated from my mother, but she
Speaker 5: my grandmother and my mother, and we're big on manners.
Speaker 5: So you know, when somebody who was older walked in
Speaker 5: the room, aka my mother, everybody stood up.
Speaker 2: Jesse, your daughters just started walking. Is it time to
Speaker 2: implement this on your feet? Luna?
Speaker 3: You know what?
Speaker 6: She kind of does it now because often when I
Speaker 6: walk into a room, she wants to be picked up.
Speaker 6: So this is probably the only moment in my life
Speaker 6: where she will do it. I don't hate this. I
Speaker 6: reckon it says, I acknowledge you. I like what Shriver
Speaker 6: says about you often walk into a room and kids
Speaker 6: are on tablets or phones or television. It's like you're
Speaker 6: just white noise in the background. I reckon, do what
Speaker 6: you want your own house to teach respect and etiquette.
Speaker 6: But I look back at my childhood and no hate
Speaker 6: my parents, but there were some basic etiquette rules. I
Speaker 6: feel as though I missed and I had to learn
Speaker 6: in adulthood what I only learned very recently that when
Speaker 6: you're at a table with people and you pour yourself
Speaker 6: a glass of water, like at a restaurant or something,
Speaker 6: then you should also pour them a.
Speaker 3: Glass of water.
Speaker 6: I was never taught that because I didn't really go
Speaker 6: out to dinner that much, so I didn't know. And
Speaker 6: also I remember going to a girl I went to
Speaker 6: high school with. We were maybe fifteen, and she had
Speaker 6: like a dinner party at her house and she wanted
Speaker 6: to have like a soiree and anyway, and they served
Speaker 6: as dinner, and I didn't know what to do with
Speaker 6: my knife and fork. I didn't know where to start.
Speaker 6: I didn't know what to do when it was finished,
Speaker 6: and her mother came over and made some comment about like,
Speaker 6: no one's ever taught you to use a knife for fork,
Speaker 6: and I was like.
Speaker 3: Your daughter is a bitch.
Speaker 6: I would prather not know how to use a knife
Speaker 6: for fork than be satan maya.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine a world in which you entered a
Speaker 2: room and your children all stood up?
Speaker 1: It made me think of that expression if you want
Speaker 1: someone to be happy when you get home and you've
Speaker 1: got teenagers by a dog, And I do have a dog,
Speaker 1: and my dog now both my dogs is very she jumps.
Speaker 1: Both of them jump up, actually.
Speaker 3: Which is a behavioral issue.
Speaker 1: One of them leaps up to the height of my head.
Speaker 1: I wanted to not like this. I wanted to think
Speaker 1: it was draconian, but I think at its heart is
Speaker 1: and we're going to be talking about this a little
Speaker 1: bit later in the show, but it's about acknowledging someone's
Speaker 1: humanity and their presence and looking them in the eye.
Speaker 1: I'm very strict with manners with my kids. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's funny. My adult son was at my house the
Speaker 1: other day and my mum came over. She really wanted
Speaker 1: to see her now adult grandchildren and my sons. My
Speaker 1: daughter of course, was talking to my mum. My two
Speaker 1: sons were on their phones, texting, doing something, and I
Speaker 1: elbowed my eldest son, who is twenty seven, and said,
Speaker 1: get over your phone, like put your phone down. And
Speaker 1: he looked daggers at me and said, do not ever
Speaker 1: say that to me. Well I will. I must say
Speaker 1: that to you. I'll say that to you again. Pick
Speaker 1: up a phone again, I'll say it again. Can't stop
Speaker 1: me doing.
Speaker 2: But there's a world of difference, right because I agree
Speaker 2: with you. Like when I walk into my house and
Speaker 2: I'm like hi and nobody says anything, I get really
Speaker 2: shitty and I'll be like you will come and say Hello.
Speaker 2: But there's a world of difference between looking up from
Speaker 2: a phone and actually like standing up straight.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, you know, like the questious knowledgy someone walking
Speaker 1: into a room is really important. And I think the
Speaker 1: thing with phones. I once read this about a director
Speaker 1: who would not let phones on his set, and he
Speaker 1: talked about how, even if you weren't directly involved in
Speaker 1: the part of the conversation that was happening at that time,
Speaker 1: one person looking at their phone leeches energy out of
Speaker 1: the conversation, even if they're not interrupting or anything like that.
Speaker 1: And that's true. And so when my two sons were
Speaker 1: doing that, and my mum, I know, knew, was so
Speaker 1: excited to be over and seeing them, and they were
Speaker 1: probably doing whatever urgent thing has to be done in
Speaker 1: the moment, which is never very urgent. It was leeching
Speaker 1: energy out of the interaction, out of conversation. It was
Speaker 1: really to humanized.
Speaker 6: Do you think that because she's Maria Shreiver and her
Speaker 6: children are with Arnold Schwarzenegger and they have four kids,
Speaker 6: do you think that the expectation if you're a parent
Speaker 6: and you know, you're famous, you're rich, you're privileged that
Speaker 6: you have to raise your children in a particular way
Speaker 6: to almost circumvent that, so that your children have almost
Speaker 6: more respect that Kennedy.
Speaker 1: My mother, Unice is a Kennedy.
Speaker 2: I think that's more part of it. It's very waspy,
Speaker 2: old school like respect, you know, call me mom like vibes.
Speaker 2: It's very that. But also, yes, you often hear celebrities
Speaker 2: talk about how important manners are in their kids because
Speaker 2: I think they think that everybody thinks their kids are
Speaker 2: going to be entitled brats and they want to counter program.
Speaker 2: But I still think there is a lot of difference
Speaker 2: between manners. And you have to stand up when I
Speaker 2: walk in the room. I just can't even imagine it.
Speaker 6: Holly has a role a parenting. You know how Holly
Speaker 6: gives out so much parenting at all. And I've actually
Speaker 6: kept this one, and it's that when you or child
Speaker 6: walks or crawls or rolls into a room, you smile
Speaker 6: at them.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Always, you always have to be happy to see them.
Speaker 3: You always have to be happy to see them. That's
Speaker 3: a good rule.
Speaker 6: The Anti Social Century that's the cover story on the
Speaker 6: February issue of The Atlantic, written by Derek Thompson. He
Speaker 6: opens the feature with a vignette of a bar or
Speaker 6: imagine a restaurant right, and the tables and chairs are empty.
Speaker 6: The bar where people once sat, maybe even solo talking
Speaker 6: to the bar man or woman, is now covered in
Speaker 6: brown paper bags, and a person walks in, takes their bag,
Speaker 6: barely speaks to the stuff, and retreats back to their home.
Speaker 6: Thompson argues that solitude is impacting our personalities. There are
Speaker 6: a bunch of statistics. Drinks with friends has declined by
Speaker 6: thirty percent over twenty years. Rituals of togetherness like going
Speaker 6: to the cinema has been replaced by watching a movie
Speaker 6: at home. And solitude, he says, is different to loneliness.
Speaker 6: Loneliness is an important human emotion. It gives us a
Speaker 6: biological queue to go and seek out a social experience.
Speaker 6: The thing about solitude is that we're choosing it. We
Speaker 6: predict that alone time will make us happier, and all
Speaker 6: the research says it absolutely does not.
Speaker 3: Solitude has also.
Speaker 2: Agree with the research. She disagrees with the research.
Speaker 6: Okay, I'm going to tell you how it's transformed the
Speaker 6: economy and then politics, and then I'm going to go
Speaker 6: come back to you. Solitude has transformed the economy. You know,
Speaker 6: we talk about remote work. There is a researcher named
Speaker 6: Patrick Sharky who calls it remote life, with the entire
Speaker 6: economy oriented around how to allow us to stay within
Speaker 6: our own four walls. Now you might say, okay, doesn't
Speaker 6: that mean we're spending more time with our families? And
Speaker 6: in fact, some research suggests we are our intimate partner
Speaker 6: for example. But what's missing is what they call the
Speaker 6: middle circle, the neighbors, the people in our little village.
Speaker 6: And while the close ring kids partners teach us love
Speaker 6: and intimacy, the middle ring teaches us something called tolerance,
Speaker 6: and it's foundational to a democracy. That's how solitude is
Speaker 6: changing politics.
Speaker 1: So the middle ring do you mean? Just the interactions
Speaker 1: that we have with people getting on the busy, sitting
Speaker 1: in the buying something in a shop.
Speaker 6: The example they gave too was like, so you know,
Speaker 6: there's a panc at a school and you go and
Speaker 6: you might go and hang out with other mums or
Speaker 6: dads and chat to them, and this mum is totally
Speaker 6: different to you. You don't agree on most things, but
Speaker 6: you bond over the fact your daughters do netball. That's
Speaker 6: what's missing is what the research is suggesting. May I
Speaker 6: please defend solitude?
Speaker 3: Go on try.
Speaker 1: I think the thing is I agree with a part
Speaker 1: about tolerance, and I'll get to that in a second.
Speaker 1: But I think that the biggest problem that we are
Speaker 1: trying to solve by spending more time alone is that
Speaker 1: we are never alone ever, And what being alone means
Speaker 1: has really changed because everyone you've ever met and everyone
Speaker 1: in the world, in fact, even Elon Musk is with
Speaker 1: you at all times in your pocket, but he's.
Speaker 2: Not in a meaningful And also the definition of this
Speaker 2: and the purposes of this research is being physically alone
Speaker 2: in a room.
Speaker 1: Yes, And so this is where I think that the
Speaker 1: research and this whole very overwrought piece in The Atlantic,
Speaker 1: which I was interested to read, but I found it missed.
Speaker 1: The main point is that being online when you're by
Speaker 1: yourself is like a third thing, because there's being alone,
Speaker 1: actually alone with your thoughts or in the garden. There's
Speaker 1: being with people in a social context or going sitting
Speaker 1: in the movies, and then there is being online alone
Speaker 1: and that's almost a facsimile of socializing. I think it's
Speaker 1: a third thing, and what it can be is very
Speaker 1: very fatiguing. So I found that when I did a
Speaker 1: No Filter episode a while back about the seven different
Speaker 1: types of rest, and it talked about sometimes when you're exhausted,
Speaker 1: which I often found myself last year and the year before,
Speaker 1: I would get enough sleep. Sleep's never been a problem
Speaker 1: for me, but I was still tired, and it was
Speaker 1: because I was I needed social rest. There's all these
Speaker 1: different types of rest, and sleep is actually just one
Speaker 1: of them. Social rest is really important to have rest
Speaker 1: being away from other people. So while I need to
Speaker 1: be alone physically and have physical space because our job
Speaker 1: is very social, we work in an office full of
Speaker 1: one hundred people, when I go home, I'm still socializing
Speaker 1: in many ways. So it's not like the olden days
Speaker 1: where you would go home and you would be alone,
Speaker 1: literally alone. And I'm not saying that it is the
Speaker 1: same and that is the same quality, but we're filling
Speaker 1: up on chips, we're filling up on this other thing
Speaker 1: of socializing online. That means that we are socially fatigued
Speaker 1: all the time. And the other thing that it does is,
Speaker 1: of course, as you say, we've lost our tolerance for
Speaker 1: the friction of being in the world. So when you
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time on your own or when
Speaker 1: you spend a lot of time online, and our whole
Speaker 1: world is on demand. I can do everything when I
Speaker 1: want to do it. I don't have to wait, I
Speaker 1: don't have to be bored, I don't have to be frustrated.
Speaker 1: I don't have to talk to the person I don't
Speaker 1: want to talk to then when you have to, You're right,
Speaker 1: that muscle is really really weak.
Speaker 5: But I don't know.
Speaker 1: I find these articles a little bit exhausting because it's like, well,
Speaker 1: what do you want to do? You can't put the
Speaker 1: genie back in the.
Speaker 2: Bottom, but what it's doing, which I found interesting because
Speaker 2: I agree with you. And actually they do make that
Speaker 2: point about how if we're canceling in real life social
Speaker 2: events because we feel socially fatigued from being online. That's
Speaker 2: one of the things he points out. He says that
Speaker 2: sometimes people might think, oh, I'm lonely and i'm sad,
Speaker 2: I haven't seen anyone frages, I'll make some plans, but
Speaker 2: instead we go I'm lonely, I'm sad, and I feel
Speaker 2: socially exhausted because I've been online. Yeah, so I'm going
Speaker 2: to cancel my plans, woh, canceled plans Like think culturally
Speaker 2: about how much now we celebrate introversion canceled plans. I
Speaker 2: don't have to go to Mum's boundaries, like all the
Speaker 2: things that where we're like, we want to build a
Speaker 2: little wall around ourselves. And I think it's because we
Speaker 2: just want to be alone with our phones, right, because
Speaker 2: it's easy, and that's what we really want.
Speaker 3: To do, and we can put it down when we
Speaker 3: feel that, yeah.
Speaker 2: Exact ways that we can't.
Speaker 1: So texting with a friend is not necessarily a conversation,
Speaker 1: even if you're doing it in real time. It's a
Speaker 1: series of monologues. But I think that it's not the
Speaker 1: same thing. We feel fatigued because you know, for example,
Speaker 1: I had a wedding to go to last week, and
Speaker 1: I was feeling, oh, I'm so tired because I knew
Speaker 1: it was going to take a lot of social energy
Speaker 1: and I don't have a lot of social energy. That
Speaker 1: muscle of small talk of all of those things you
Speaker 1: can't control has become very flabby for me. And yet
Speaker 1: when I went there, I had the most lovely conversations.
Speaker 1: I came back feeling so nourished. It's like eating a
Speaker 1: big nutritious meal instead of fuzz food five hundred.
Speaker 6: Percent that our phones and the internet is one part
Speaker 6: of the story, but not the whole story. So there
Speaker 6: was some research in this article and it's something that's
Speaker 6: replicated in Australia, which is that from the nineteen seventies
Speaker 6: governments have wound back on the creation of public spaces. Politically,
Speaker 6: we went from a focus on community and government provided
Speaker 6: services to going very neoliberal, very individualistic, and everyone was
Speaker 6: just in charge of themselves.
Speaker 2: And also everybody retreated to their televisions. It's really interesting
Speaker 2: how they say that in this article. They make the
Speaker 2: point that in that time we gained about six hours
Speaker 2: of leisure time a week because of various technological advances,
Speaker 2: and we gave them all to the TV. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: it's kind of like, now, you know, technology is making
Speaker 2: our life easier every day in lots of ways, and
Speaker 2: what do we do with those extra hours? We give
Speaker 2: them to our phone.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: He wrote about though, was that the demographic that is
Speaker 6: sort of experiencing the most solitude and is choosing it
Speaker 6: is young men. And there was this brilliant term that
Speaker 6: a philosopher named Andrew Taggart came up with, which was
Speaker 6: secular monks. So no, how a monk goes about their
Speaker 6: life in a really disciplined way. I mean, ironically, monks
Speaker 6: are in a group and they have the community of worshiping.
Speaker 1: Didn't have a scitus to why they were doing that.
Speaker 1: Is it to watch porn and game?
Speaker 6: No? No, Basically he talks about and I've been served
Speaker 6: this in my algorithm.
Speaker 3: Have you ever been served with the morning routine of
Speaker 3: a young man.
Speaker 2: I've been served lots of morning routines. I don't think
Speaker 2: any men.
Speaker 6: Okay, the young man will get up and hill. We've
Speaker 6: talked about this before, have the cold plunge, do the exercise.
Speaker 6: In fact, this is very Brian Johnson, who we talk
Speaker 6: about on yesterday's Subscribe episode. But the morning routine is
Speaker 6: very controlled and very I have my breakfast and I
Speaker 6: have my vitamins and then I.
Speaker 3: Do my exercise.
Speaker 1: So als of that optimizing.
Speaker 6: Stuff, optimizing stuff. What you will never see in the
Speaker 6: morning routine is another person. So it's like even the exercise.
Speaker 6: And I've said this to Luca, I've watched it and
Speaker 6: as a lot of these men work from home as well,
Speaker 6: and I think when was the last time this person
Speaker 6: saw another person.
Speaker 5: Like.
Speaker 3: That's what I found fascinating about this is you think that's.
Speaker 1: Because women are inherently more social creatures and we have
Speaker 1: more caring responsibilities. So often the only time you'll get alone,
Speaker 1: the only time I get alone often is in my car.
Speaker 1: Often you're not even alone on the toilet when you're
Speaker 1: always got little kids in your house.
Speaker 3: This theory.
Speaker 6: I was listening to Trevor Noa the other day and
Speaker 6: he had the best serie, which is that women were
Speaker 6: pushed out of the workplace and into their homes for
Speaker 6: a lot of years, right, and they had to find
Speaker 6: a way to fill their time with connection, whether it
Speaker 6: was book clubs, whether it was coffee dates, whether it
Speaker 6: was being able to have a great conversation. Men haven't
Speaker 6: practiced that to the same degree like they're up.
Speaker 2: Until very recently, or they got it at work.
Speaker 3: They got it at work, which we do now too.
Speaker 6: Yes, And so women could easily go into the workplace
Speaker 6: when we were allowed because we were just kind of like, oh,
Speaker 6: our brains can do this. But men now have this
Speaker 6: whole region of their life that it's like, I'm not
Speaker 6: practiced in how to fill this and connect and do
Speaker 6: the things that maybe come a little bit more naturally
Speaker 6: to women, probably because we've also seen them in our
Speaker 6: mothers and our grandmothers and everything throughout generations. But I
Speaker 6: thought the point about young men was particularly poignant because
Speaker 6: we talk about loneliness, but I think that's a very
Speaker 6: different thing to choosing to be alone, which I'm seeing
Speaker 6: a lot of.
Speaker 3: They think they're okay, and from the outside, I go.
Speaker 2: It's interesting though, because one of the things I've always
Speaker 2: thought and said to people in my life, and I
Speaker 2: said to my kids, is you have to learn how
Speaker 2: to be happy with your own company. I think it's
Speaker 2: really important. I think that learning how to be alone
Speaker 2: is actually really conducive to you having a healthy life,
Speaker 2: because I know I and many many people around me
Speaker 2: with or without phone. This is not phone. I'm talking
Speaker 2: about real life. Like so maybe you've got your phone,
Speaker 2: maybe you haven't. But the point is is that people
Speaker 2: women in particular, have often been terrified of being alone,
Speaker 2: and because of that, they'll be in terrible relationships. They'll
Speaker 2: put up with friendships that are toxic, they'll put up
Speaker 2: with all kinds of things because they're like, I couldn't
Speaker 2: possibly be alone. Right, So I make it a point
Speaker 2: to say to my kids, you know, I went traveling alone.
Speaker 2: I moved across the world alone. I can walk into
Speaker 2: a restaurant alone, I can go to the movies alone. Like,
Speaker 2: I think it's good to learn how to be alone,
Speaker 2: because then you choose social connection when you want it.
Speaker 2: And I think that that's a good thing. But the
Speaker 2: problem with that is because now our lives have been
Speaker 2: redesigned that we do all want to be alone all
Speaker 2: the time. It's almost the flip, and now I'm like,
Speaker 2: you have to learn how to be around people that
Speaker 2: you don't particularly want to be around, like, because they
Speaker 2: get to choose everything about their lives and their interactions
Speaker 2: based on their technological choices and their algorithms. So now
Speaker 2: I'm more likely to be saying to them, you need
Speaker 2: to learn how to talk to strangers in a room.
Speaker 2: You need to learn how to be nice to Nana
Speaker 2: when she comes over, and you want to be looking
Speaker 2: at your thing like. It's interesting because I generally think
Speaker 2: that learning to love your own company is one of
Speaker 2: the important parts of happiness. But I think that's different
Speaker 2: from being isolated out loud as in a moment we're
Speaker 2: telling you about a TV drama and a docco and
Speaker 2: a podcast that probably we don't all agree a good
Speaker 2: but we all want you to listen too much.
Speaker 3: Friends.
Speaker 6: I was going to throw this in as my best
Speaker 6: this week, but then I thought, because we were doing
Speaker 6: a giveaway, it wouldn't look authentic. But I'm going to
Speaker 6: tell you about it anyway. I did a hike with
Speaker 6: my mum recently with the Tasmanian Walking Company and it
Speaker 6: was on Bruney Island. It was two nights, three days,
Speaker 6: and it was the most energizing, rejuvenating.
Speaker 3: I mean, we're just talking about solitude.
Speaker 6: This was walking with people that you know, I'd never met,
Speaker 6: and I had the most insightful conversations.
Speaker 3: Was their WiFi at points, but mostly not.
Speaker 1: I think that's a good thing. I'm saying because I
Speaker 1: think that's actually a wonderful thing. Sometimes you need to
Speaker 1: be forcibly removed because.
Speaker 2: We're all ready.
Speaker 1: But the pictures that you were posting on social those
Speaker 1: views were unbelievable.
Speaker 2: And the Tasmanian Walking Company are amazing. I did a
Speaker 2: walk with them with Penny last year. And because you
Speaker 2: get to stay in lovely places, so you're doing like
Speaker 2: the hard walking bit, but then you're staying somewhere else.
Speaker 3: Oh it's luxury.
Speaker 6: You get amazing wine, amazing food. There's hot teaen coffee.
Speaker 3: Look the reason I'm telling you about it.
Speaker 1: I'd be into that because I don't have to sleep
Speaker 1: in a tent.
Speaker 3: No, exactly right, the white linen sheets. It's fine.
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Speaker 2: called are You a Charlotte?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: Great title, It's not an amazing podcast as in, she
Speaker 2: has a guest on this one. They talk over each
Speaker 2: other a lot, you know, like we've been doing this
Speaker 2: long time. We're quite good at podcasting most of the time.
Speaker 2: Not always. Sometimes we get shouty. But if you love Love, Love,
Speaker 2: Sex and the City, you are going to love it,
Speaker 2: particularly the second episode. So the way it works is
Speaker 2: basically it's just her talking. And in the first episode
Speaker 2: she talked all about the pilot Sex and the City,
Speaker 2: and she went into excruciating detail about how she got
Speaker 2: the job, what the audition was like.
Speaker 1: That does she talk about Is it like one episode
Speaker 1: per episode?
Speaker 2: Not clear yet what the format's going to be, because
Speaker 2: the second episode was a conversation with a guest, and
Speaker 2: the guest was Sarah Winter. Now Sarah Winter is an
Speaker 2: Australian actress who was the very first face you ever
Speaker 2: saw on Sex in the City.
Speaker 3: I remember that.
Speaker 2: So if you remember the pilot of Sex and the City,
Speaker 2: it opens with a gorgeous, skinny, white blonde lady in
Speaker 2: the back of a taxi and she was an English
Speaker 2: journalist who just moved from London to New York to
Speaker 2: live the single lady dream. And it all crumbles oh,
Speaker 2: they used to do sort of vox pops yes at
Speaker 2: the beginning, and she was basically setting up the whole
Speaker 2: premise that you know, New York's full of toxic bachelors,
Speaker 2: and she gets ghosted, not that they call that. Then
Speaker 2: she also was the first person to have sex and
Speaker 2: sex in the city, and she tells a very funny
Speaker 2: story about how she didn't know she was going to
Speaker 2: have to be nude, but then she was. And Kristin
Speaker 2: Davis says, oh, I remember sitting in my trailer getting
Speaker 2: my makeup done and a woman came running in and going.
Speaker 3: Quick, we need a couple of ice cubes for Sarah
Speaker 3: winter nipple.
Speaker 2: And then the two of them get talking about dating
Speaker 2: and dating in midlife and the weirdest dates they've ever
Speaker 2: been on, and Sarah Winter once went on a date
Speaker 2: with a man who only ate baby food, and also
Speaker 2: once went on a date with a guy first date
Speaker 2: who in the middle of the meal, went into the kitchen,
Speaker 2: picked up a pre arranged guitar and sat down and
Speaker 2: sang to her kissed the girl from Little Mermaid Musical,
Speaker 2: complete with fake Jamaican accent.
Speaker 6: Oh my goodness, Oh wow, that's going to resonate for
Speaker 6: a lot.
Speaker 1: Of similar story that says cringe as that is in
Speaker 1: Britney Spears's memoir when she talked about Justin Timberlake playing
Speaker 1: the guitar after her abortion.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, like just put the guitars away, guys. Anyway,
Speaker 2: So if you are a sex and the city, there
Speaker 2: is a lot of detail in this. Kristin Davis is
Speaker 2: very likable. The question of are you as Charlotte she
Speaker 2: kind of ends on. She decides she's not really even
Speaker 2: a Charlotte self, et cetera. If you like Second City,
Speaker 2: you and love it. That's my record.
Speaker 6: This week, I want to recommend a TV show. It
Speaker 6: is called Lockerbye, A Search for Truth. It's on seven plus.
Speaker 2: And find it will not be fine.
Speaker 6: It is about the Lockerby air disaster, which I vaguely
Speaker 6: knew about.
Speaker 3: Holly, were you filved through this day?
Speaker 6: Yes, So basically what happened was on the twenty first
Speaker 6: of December nineteen eighty eight, a pan Am flight that
Speaker 6: was going from Heathrow to New York exploded over a
Speaker 6: small town in Scotland called Lockerby.
Speaker 3: So this is a true story.
Speaker 1: That's I love how you say it's a true story.
Speaker 1: As if there aren't some of us who are listening
Speaker 1: who were alive the old day.
Speaker 3: I remember there are some. This is two years before
Speaker 3: I was born.
Speaker 6: Two hundred and fifty nine people were killed, as well
Speaker 6: as eleven residents, and it was just the most terrific disaster.
Speaker 6: So this is all set up in the first episode,
Speaker 6: but the rest of the series follows Dr Jim Swire
Speaker 6: played by Colin first Sor.
Speaker 1: It's a drama.
Speaker 3: It's a drama.
Speaker 1: Do they ever find out who did it? What happened?
Speaker 3: Well, that's what this whole series is about.
Speaker 4: Planes.
Speaker 3: Gonda, my child is on that plane.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, three two hundred and seventy people killed. Intelligence
Speaker 2: sources believe it to have been a revenge attack by Iran.
Speaker 2: Mardy Guthrie.
Speaker 1: I'm a journalist.
Speaker 2: Trim Swire. Flora's fate one of param's busiest times of
Speaker 2: the year. That was one hundred and sixty five seats empty.
Speaker 2: O doesn't say it was odd.
Speaker 3: And everyone I've spoken to was gone.
Speaker 1: Who did that again?
Speaker 3: Because there was so much confusion.
Speaker 1: I don't remember when that was the Cold War and
Speaker 1: there was a lot of argibardi between Russia and America.
Speaker 1: And was it Russia? Was it Russia? No accident?
Speaker 6: So his daughter Flora was on that flight. He was
Speaker 6: a GP and became fixated on this case. He was
Speaker 6: in the courtroom every single day. I won't spoil it
Speaker 6: because someone was convicted, but there are question marks that
Speaker 6: Dr Jim Swire still has about who did it. So
Speaker 6: Lockerbee that's on Binge and seven plus I've.
Speaker 1: Got something a little lighter, but coincidentally, also on Binge,
Speaker 1: it's a documentary about Saturday Night Live. Anybody could do comedy.
Speaker 1: I could teach all they'll the hey how to tell
Speaker 1: jokes of be comedy. But are you funny? Essenel was
Speaker 1: the biggest show every day. There was nothing like it.
Speaker 4: Presents an American institution. I got a fever.
Speaker 5: And the only perception is Mark Capbell. Any questions you
Speaker 5: may be wondering why you've never heard this story before.
Speaker 4: I don't know what's story you hard, but this is
Speaker 4: what happened. You know what.
Speaker 3: It's fine, Let's.
Speaker 2: Just do the thing.
Speaker 3: Everything you're about to see has nothing to see before.
Speaker 2: Hi, here we go.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure I'm Amy Pohler.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's enough. SNL is celebrating its fiftieth anniversary this year,
Speaker 1: and this documentary is in four parts. If you're not
Speaker 1: familiar with Saturday Night Live, who even are you? It's
Speaker 1: the most iconic comedy show ever made. It still is on.
Speaker 1: It's been going, as I said, for fifty years. It's
Speaker 1: still helmed by the same guy, guy called Lorne Michaels,
Speaker 1: who is this figure of sort of mystery and is
Speaker 1: absolutely iconic. And some of the people that have come
Speaker 1: from Saturday Night Live, Will Ferrell, Tina Fey, Amy Pohler,
Speaker 1: Preet Davidson, Christin Wig, Bill Murray, Eddie Murphy. Going back,
Speaker 1: I've watched three of the four episodes. It doesn't go
Speaker 1: back too much to like the origins of it. I've
Speaker 1: read like an oral history book about Saturday Night Live,
Speaker 1: because I'm just so fascinated by Lawn, who's like this Bengali.
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated about the way it all works, because literally,
Speaker 1: they record at midnight on Saturday night or eleven thirty
Speaker 1: or something, and they start the show with nothing at
Speaker 1: the beginning of the week and a guest celebrity host,
Speaker 1: and then by Saturday night, the line is that they
Speaker 1: don't put the show to air because it's ready. They
Speaker 1: put the show to air because it's time and so
Speaker 1: in the first part they go through a whole lot
Speaker 1: of people, famous people like Tina Fe and Amy Pola
Speaker 1: and all of them, and they talk about their audition
Speaker 1: and you see their audition tapes because the audition process
Speaker 1: is extraordinary. That episode's called five Minutes, and then there's
Speaker 1: a they spend a week in the writer's room, quite
Speaker 1: a recent week when Iowa Debiri was the guest host,
Speaker 1: and it shows behind the scenes of what that week's like.
Speaker 1: It's so good, it's fantastic. So that's on binge full
Speaker 1: part really really easy to watch after the break, a
Speaker 1: very bad Tuesday, a beautiful super villain, and a best
Speaker 1: that Brian Johnson would really approve of. It is our
Speaker 1: best and worst off the week.
Speaker 3: One unlimited out Loud access.
Speaker 6: We drop episodes every Tuesday and Thursday exclusively for Muma
Speaker 6: Mea subscribers. Follow the link in the show notes to
Speaker 6: get us in your ears five days a week.
Speaker 3: And a huge thank you to.
Speaker 6: All our current subscribers. It's time for Best and Worst.
Speaker 6: This is a part of the show where we share
Speaker 6: a little bit from our personal lives.
Speaker 3: Maya what was your worst.
Speaker 1: My worst of the week was my brain. And there's
Speaker 1: an upside to this in that I found it very,
Speaker 1: very hard to get back to work last week, not
Speaker 1: because I didn't want to go back to work, but
Speaker 1: because I literally found my brain had forgotten how to
Speaker 1: go back to work. Now I know I'm not the
Speaker 1: lone ranger here, it's often hard remembering how to work.
Speaker 1: I feel particularly in that after that Christmas break, because
Speaker 1: it's almost like the days you get if you get
Speaker 1: to take a break over Christmas, are worth two or
Speaker 1: three times as much as an ordinary holiday at any
Speaker 1: other time of the year, because no one is working,
Speaker 1: so your emails stop, you're not getting so many texts.
Speaker 1: You really just switch off. For me, I did more
Speaker 1: than I ever have, or more than I have for
Speaker 1: a really, really long time this holiday. I completely unwound
Speaker 1: for three weeks, and so what I found challenging about
Speaker 1: last week was remembering how to do lots of things
Speaker 1: at once, remembering how to be places at certain times,
Speaker 1: remembering what it felt like when lots of people wanted
Speaker 1: something from me, and I had to basically fraction my
Speaker 1: attention span. And I take medication for my at EHD.
Speaker 1: I didn't take it much over the holidays. I took
Speaker 1: a little bit, but mostly I didn't. I was back
Speaker 1: on this week and I just I've had to adjust
Speaker 1: my medication because it just wasn't cutting it. I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's yeah, some people think, well, for me, it hasn't
Speaker 1: been a case of set and forget. I'm always sort
Speaker 1: of adjusting my medication depending on what else is going
Speaker 1: on in my life and what I need my brain
Speaker 1: to do. So I found that my most challenging thing.
Speaker 1: I felt really frazzled last week. I missed deadlines. I've
Speaker 1: kept losing things forgetting things. But this week has been
Speaker 1: much better. My best of the week, because I'm such
Speaker 1: a basic bitch, has been weight training. Last year, I
Speaker 1: went to see a pelvic physio who told me all
Speaker 1: these exercises I had to do, which I haven't done
Speaker 1: even one time since then. But what I have done
Speaker 1: is weight training because she said, I'm going to mangle this.
Speaker 1: But she said, if you basically eat all the same
Speaker 1: things and do all the same exercise, don't change anything,
Speaker 1: you will still lose I don't know, ten percent five
Speaker 1: percent of bone and muscle mass every year from this age,
Speaker 1: and I was like, cool, so strength training weight training.
Speaker 1: You know, I've always just been really a cardio person.
Speaker 1: I've been doing a bit of polarates at home on
Speaker 1: a reformer for the last couple of years, but weights
Speaker 1: is not anything that I've ever really done, and so
Speaker 1: it took me a little while to find out what
Speaker 1: I should do and how I should do it. Now
Speaker 1: I'm doing weight training with dumb bells, not very heavy ones.
Speaker 1: And I've also got my weight vest that I wear
Speaker 1: two and discuss one of two weight vests. And i
Speaker 1: feel strong, like I don't think I look at it different,
Speaker 1: but I feel strong, and I've forgotten how nice that feels.
Speaker 1: I've never really done weights. I've always sort of just
Speaker 1: done cardio for my exercise to give me those endorphins,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I look forward to doing my weights.
Speaker 3: Don't know.
Speaker 2: Are you doing it?
Speaker 5: So?
Speaker 2: I was going to say, because you've famously do your
Speaker 2: exercise every morning, yeah, seven time, seven days a week,
Speaker 2: and so you've changed your routine of what I have.
Speaker 1: So I'm doing house cardio.
Speaker 2: How are you handling the change routine?
Speaker 1: I'm really loving it, like I don't like being forced
Speaker 1: to change, but every so often I will change something.
Speaker 3: How do you know what to do?
Speaker 1: I've been looking on YouTube and there's some things on
Speaker 1: move if you don't have any equipment. There's some great
Speaker 1: workouts on move where you can use your body weight
Speaker 1: as a weight, which is also really effective and essentially
Speaker 1: does the same thing. I've been looking at some videos
Speaker 1: on YouTube depending on what it is that I want
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 6: The greatest benefit I have had, I mean, the first
Speaker 6: is that no injuries, like you do it too, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: heaps of weight training, and I've found that things like
Speaker 6: getting that period where you do your back or whatever
Speaker 6: that's just not happened.
Speaker 3: And the second thing is posture.
Speaker 6: I think my posture has totally changed, and it is
Speaker 6: such a good feeling.
Speaker 1: Because you're in those years of carrying at toddler yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: and picking a baby up and down and up and
Speaker 1: down where you can really mess you back for a
Speaker 1: good few years, and that's where you started doing it.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, because I was like, I'm sick of waking
Speaker 6: up and having a saw back or a sore hip
Speaker 6: or whatever. And I thought, if I'm gonna get pregnant
Speaker 6: again in whenever, yeah, then you know, The one thing
Speaker 6: that might help is a bit of weight training.
Speaker 1: Do you do weight sol But I need to.
Speaker 2: I've got a weight vest and I'm gonna. I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: I'm one of those people. And I'm sure there are
Speaker 2: lots about lads listening who have not quite restarted.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: The twenty twenty five version of myself. It's coming.
Speaker 3: It's coming in fairt Holly, what's your West?
Speaker 2: My worst is that a really beautiful vine with loads
Speaker 2: of flowers on it that I thought was making my
Speaker 2: life and my garden more beautiful turned out to be
Speaker 2: a poisonous super villain that was strangling all my plants.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, way poisonous.
Speaker 2: Yes, so called. It's called a moth vine. And it
Speaker 2: was growing up this fence and I thought, that looks
Speaker 2: really pretty. It's growing so fast, like you'd look away
Speaker 2: and look back and it's grown like and I was
Speaker 2: twisting it around this fence because I was thinking, that's
Speaker 2: gonna look so pretty, And then I took.
Speaker 3: A picture of Oh no, did Instagram tell you it's like?
Speaker 1: No, darling.
Speaker 2: The sap in it is poisonous. It can hurt dogs.
Speaker 2: And also because it's so fast growing, it just wants
Speaker 2: to get on all your other plants and strangle.
Speaker 1: The whole Marvel movie.
Speaker 2: And I went out there and so I had to
Speaker 2: pull it out and then my fences or burgage. And
Speaker 2: then I noticed while I was actually I have been
Speaker 2: doing some exercise. I was on my exercise bike and
Speaker 2: I was looking out the window and I noticed that
Speaker 2: the fucking thing is all over my fence, straggling my jazz.
Speaker 1: Plants.
Speaker 2: It really is so that that was disturbing my best. However,
Speaker 2: I'm very excited finally this week I managed to This weekend,
Speaker 2: actually I managed to get Matilda to watch Twilight with me.
Speaker 2: Now I've been begging Matilda to watch the Twilight movies.
Speaker 3: It's so fun.
Speaker 2: Four years I remembers when the Twilight's were a thing.
Speaker 2: I was working in Gossip Max and for a while there,
Speaker 2: Robert Pattinson, Christian Stewart, Taylor Launer, they were everything right.
Speaker 2: So I was invested, because you know, I kind of
Speaker 2: had to be. I read them all in and though
Speaker 2: I was way too old to be reading that, ship
Speaker 2: read them as and I do know before anyone asked
Speaker 2: me that yes, the relationship seems to be a bit
Speaker 2: more than a bit toxic and controlling, and even Matilda's
Speaker 2: picking that up. She's a lot like that guy's creepy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she's like that guy's creepy. I'm like, I know, and
Speaker 2: then we both just look at each other and it's
Speaker 2: really embarrassing anyway. So I finally got her to do it.
Speaker 2: We're on the couch, Billy wants to join in, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, you will not like it, and he's like,
Speaker 2: I think I will, and I was like, no, I
Speaker 2: really don't. We watched all of Twilight and then immediately
Speaker 2: she was like, oh, on the next one.
Speaker 1: I was like, yes, I don't even know what they're about.
Speaker 1: It's just a whole.
Speaker 3: Next what fifty great?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 6: No, serious, because I think it's Twilight fan fiction.
Speaker 2: Well it is, that's how that started. But it's very real.
Speaker 2: And the movies are bad and they have dated badly
Speaker 2: and they are too long.
Speaker 3: Great soundtracks, as all movies are.
Speaker 2: Yes, but what that author did because they were so
Speaker 2: Stephanie Meyer. They were so dissed, and for good reason
Speaker 2: in some ways, but she just absolutely nails the chemistry
Speaker 2: and the teenage obsession.
Speaker 1: Has she written other things since then?
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: I'm sure there will be some out louders who definitely know,
Speaker 2: but she would have I don't know. She's probably as
Speaker 2: rich as Elon Musk from writing those books. And it
Speaker 2: is true that Robert Pattinson remains gorgeous. But machildres always
Speaker 2: going what did he say? What did he say?
Speaker 1: Because he?
Speaker 2: Anyway? That was my best and I can't wait to
Speaker 2: get home and keep the marathon going. Jesse, what about you?
Speaker 6: Oh, you know when something happens during your week and
Speaker 6: you go, well, at least I have a worst That
Speaker 6: was my Tuesday last week. So I woke up to
Speaker 6: a message from a close family member saying that you know,
Speaker 6: they been in bed and the person next to them
Speaker 6: had had a seizure just before bed and ended up
Speaker 6: in hospital. They were still in hospital, and I was
Speaker 6: trying to get word if they were okay. This is
Speaker 6: someone in their mid thirties, like, never had a seizure before.
Speaker 6: I didn't know that that could just happen. I was
Speaker 6: terrified because I didn't know how it had all been resolved.
Speaker 6: And then just as I was waiting on getting word
Speaker 6: on that, I got a call from my dad saying
Speaker 6: that Mum had been at the GP, she had something
Speaker 6: I thought was relatively minor, and now she's had to
Speaker 6: go to hospital to get this oh my god operation
Speaker 6: that was Steven's and I know indestructible friend of the
Speaker 6: pod exactly, and it wasn't dangerous necessarily, but it was
Speaker 6: going to be incredibly painful the procedure she needed, and
Speaker 6: so I was very lucky that I was able to
Speaker 6: just go, all right, I'm dropping everything at work and
Speaker 6: I went and spent the day with mum. Look, we chatted,
Speaker 6: I swear the nurses were like, can they I reckon?
Speaker 3: Eight hours? We just sat there chatting.
Speaker 6: A bonus episode, Mom and I just chatting in the hospital.
Speaker 6: Poor woman just woke up from surgery. She wanted to
Speaker 6: go to sleep, and we were just going on and on.
Speaker 6: But yeah, Look, by the end of the day, I
Speaker 6: just went. I got home and just felt totally overwhelmed.
Speaker 6: Everyone is at the time of recording Okay, Wood touching Wood, but.
Speaker 3: I was just like, everyone needs to just stop.
Speaker 6: Solitude for a moment, just stay in your houses because
Speaker 6: my nervous system can't handle it.
Speaker 1: There was a time when it was like I just
Speaker 1: had images of members of your family dotted around various
Speaker 1: hospitals in your soft Wales.
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly right, and you'd call and me like, how's
Speaker 6: everything going? Yeah, my best You know, we talked about
Speaker 6: the catch up trap last week. I think on Friday
Speaker 6: night we had a really bad night sleep with Luna
Speaker 6: for whatever reason. We got up on Saturday and Lucas said,
Speaker 6: Mum's really keen to have a sleepover with Luna. Why
Speaker 6: don't we take her up on it and get a
Speaker 6: full night sleep? And I was like, I love that idea, So.
Speaker 2: I'm not legends.
Speaker 6: I'm not spending it sitting on the couch though. If
Speaker 6: we have a night, we have a night and I
Speaker 6: am getting a margarita. So we decided to go out
Speaker 6: for dinner, and then two of our friends we just
Speaker 6: messaged them in the afternoon, said you want to go
Speaker 6: out to dinner the best And we had caught up
Speaker 6: with them two weeks before, right, so this was the
Speaker 6: second time in two weeks. These are my closest friends,
Speaker 6: but over the last eighteen months I've not been the
Speaker 6: greatest friend because I've been busy. But to go out,
Speaker 6: it was like all the catching up, We're done. So
Speaker 6: when we sat down, you.
Speaker 2: Could just talk.
Speaker 6: It was like we Oh, we had the best conversation.
Speaker 3: It was no like box ticking. It was nothing. It
Speaker 3: was just no work.
Speaker 6: No, it was so fun. We had the loveliest, loveliest
Speaker 6: night ever, so did I.
Speaker 2: Thanks to you, Mia Friedman.
Speaker 1: It was thanks to me. I had the best time.
Speaker 1: And she slept all the way through.
Speaker 2: She did she does banana. Oh my goodness, that's all
Speaker 2: we have time for today. Friends. Thank you to all
Speaker 2: of you out louders for being with us here in
Speaker 2: our temporary new home this week. I hope you've enjoyed
Speaker 2: seeing us out of our natural habitats. We're getting used
Speaker 2: to it working out where the tea lives. We're going
Speaker 2: to be back in your ears next week. Until then,
Speaker 2: Mia and Jesse read us out a.
Speaker 1: Big thank you to our wonderful team group executive producer
Speaker 1: Ruth Divine, who lives for people and banter, but then
Speaker 1: immediately needs to be rid of everyone to recover hard.
Speaker 6: Relate Executive producer Emeline Gazillis, who could do with more
Speaker 6: antisocial behavior in her life.
Speaker 1: Our audio producer is Leapaugus, who loves to auto via
Speaker 1: QR codes on a night out and loves a bit
Speaker 1: of solitude on the weekend. Even talking to the waiter
Speaker 1: is too much for her.
Speaker 6: And video producer Josh Green, who feels he has a
Speaker 6: perfect amount of social interaction he needs with Justice.
Speaker 1: Pets because they don't talk back but loud as. We
Speaker 1: know you're not ready to say goodbye unless you've already gone,
Speaker 1: so we thought we would leave you with a little
Speaker 1: bit of a conversation we had on a subscriber episode
Speaker 1: yesterday about Brian Johnson's new Netflix documentary where he is
Speaker 1: trying to live forever. He's a billionaire, he wants to
Speaker 1: defy the odds of aging.
Speaker 2: Don't Die, dummies. That is the message of the documentary
Speaker 2: that everybody has been watching on Netflix. It's literally called
Speaker 2: Don't Die, and it's the story of Project Blueprint founder
Speaker 2: Brian Johnson, a tech billionaire who has made it his
Speaker 2: mission to live as long as he can and in fact,
Speaker 2: to reverse the aging process. Have you two both watched it?
Speaker 3: I have watched it? May I have you?
Speaker 1: I haven't watched the documentary, but I've watched quite a
Speaker 1: few YouTube videos about him last year, so I'm very
Speaker 1: across of who he is. Is this one of those
Speaker 1: documentaries that he was part of.
Speaker 2: He was proved apparently so.
Speaker 1: The link to that episode will be in the show notes.
Speaker 3: Bye.
Speaker 1: Shout out to any Muma Maya subscribers listening. If you
Speaker 1: love the show and want to support us as well,
Speaker 1: subscribing to mom and Maya is the very best way
Speaker 1: to do so. There is a link in the episode description.
Speaker 2: Hi,