1 00:00:10,622 --> 00:00:13,382 Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 2 00:00:13,822 --> 00:00:17,142 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and warders 3 00:00:17,222 --> 00:00:19,662 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. So I'm going to 4 00:00:19,701 --> 00:00:20,462 Speaker 2: cancel my plans. 5 00:00:20,462 --> 00:00:21,582 Speaker 3: Wooh, canceled plans. 6 00:00:21,622 --> 00:00:26,382 Speaker 2: Like think culturally about how much now we celebrate introversion, 7 00:00:26,582 --> 00:00:29,342 Speaker 2: canceled plans. I don't have to go to mom's boundaries, 8 00:00:29,422 --> 00:00:31,661 Speaker 2: like all the things that where we're like, we want 9 00:00:31,702 --> 00:00:34,302 Speaker 2: to build a little wall around ourselves. And I think 10 00:00:34,342 --> 00:00:36,501 Speaker 2: it's because we just want to be alone with our phones, 11 00:00:36,582 --> 00:00:44,542 Speaker 2: right because it's easy. Hello, and welcome to Mama Mia 12 00:00:44,582 --> 00:00:47,821 Speaker 2: out Loud and to our Friday's show. You won't hear 13 00:00:48,062 --> 00:00:50,302 Speaker 2: any news on the show today, which is a shame. 14 00:00:50,582 --> 00:00:52,862 Speaker 2: Actually it's lucky because hardly anything's happened. 15 00:00:52,542 --> 00:00:57,982 Speaker 4: This week, really slow, very quiet news week. Anyway, we 16 00:00:58,022 --> 00:01:00,262 Speaker 4: are taking a deep breath, we are leaving all of 17 00:01:00,302 --> 00:01:02,782 Speaker 4: that in the week behind us and just. 18 00:01:02,702 --> 00:01:04,302 Speaker 2: Having to chat up today. 19 00:01:04,301 --> 00:01:04,941 Speaker 4: It's Friday, the. 20 00:01:04,941 --> 00:01:07,702 Speaker 2: Twenty fourth of January, and I'm Holly Waynwright, I'm mea. 21 00:01:07,542 --> 00:01:09,222 Speaker 3: Freeman, and I'm Jesse Stevens. 22 00:01:09,581 --> 00:01:12,101 Speaker 2: And on the show today, are you more anti social 23 00:01:12,142 --> 00:01:14,382 Speaker 2: than you used to be, than your parents were, than 24 00:01:14,422 --> 00:01:17,902 Speaker 2: you'd like to be welcome friends to the anti social century, 25 00:01:18,222 --> 00:01:19,942 Speaker 2: where we just like everyone. 26 00:01:19,662 --> 00:01:20,662 Speaker 3: Else to bubble us. 27 00:01:21,222 --> 00:01:24,342 Speaker 2: Also a Doctomea is obsessed with a podcast for super 28 00:01:24,382 --> 00:01:28,462 Speaker 2: fans and a trademark Jesse Stevens depressing TV show. Yes 29 00:01:28,902 --> 00:01:31,982 Speaker 2: It's Recommendations and our best and Worst of the week. 30 00:01:32,182 --> 00:01:35,622 Speaker 2: Jesse had a very bad Tuesday. I met a beautiful 31 00:01:35,622 --> 00:01:38,622 Speaker 2: super villain and MEA's brain is betraying her. But first 32 00:01:38,662 --> 00:01:41,742 Speaker 2: I want to ask you about something. Should children stand 33 00:01:41,862 --> 00:01:43,462 Speaker 2: up when an adult enters the room? 34 00:01:43,822 --> 00:01:45,222 Speaker 3: I don't hate it? Do you hate it? 35 00:01:45,422 --> 00:01:46,542 Speaker 1: Or if I want to sit down? 36 00:01:46,702 --> 00:01:47,181 Speaker 2: They should? 37 00:01:47,422 --> 00:01:48,462 Speaker 1: And there's not enough chairs? 38 00:01:48,822 --> 00:01:49,342 Speaker 2: Oh wow? 39 00:01:49,502 --> 00:01:49,862 Speaker 3: Okay? 40 00:01:50,022 --> 00:01:53,342 Speaker 2: Should they stand up when their mother enters the room? 41 00:01:54,022 --> 00:01:56,782 Speaker 2: I'm asking because Maria Shriver, who's a Kennedy of sorts 42 00:01:56,822 --> 00:02:00,862 Speaker 2: and Arnold Schwarzenegger's ex wife, says she has always made 43 00:02:00,902 --> 00:02:03,622 Speaker 2: her for now adult kids do that. Here's what she 44 00:02:03,622 --> 00:02:04,262 Speaker 2: says about it. 45 00:02:04,662 --> 00:02:09,542 Speaker 5: When Maria comes into her home and there are children there, 46 00:02:09,901 --> 00:02:13,621 Speaker 5: her sons, her daughters and their friends, they stand up. Yeah, 47 00:02:13,702 --> 00:02:16,702 Speaker 5: I make them stand up, she makes them so. I 48 00:02:17,382 --> 00:02:19,662 Speaker 5: used to make them. Now they just do stand up. Yeah, 49 00:02:20,022 --> 00:02:22,862 Speaker 5: but yeah, well my mother did that so I've there's 50 00:02:22,982 --> 00:02:25,342 Speaker 5: many things that I've emulated from my mother, but she 51 00:02:25,622 --> 00:02:30,102 Speaker 5: my grandmother and my mother, and we're big on manners. 52 00:02:30,622 --> 00:02:33,502 Speaker 5: So you know, when somebody who was older walked in 53 00:02:33,542 --> 00:02:36,462 Speaker 5: the room, aka my mother, everybody stood up. 54 00:02:36,742 --> 00:02:39,182 Speaker 2: Jesse, your daughters just started walking. Is it time to 55 00:02:39,181 --> 00:02:41,222 Speaker 2: implement this on your feet? Luna? 56 00:02:41,582 --> 00:02:42,022 Speaker 3: You know what? 57 00:02:42,222 --> 00:02:44,542 Speaker 6: She kind of does it now because often when I 58 00:02:44,542 --> 00:02:46,022 Speaker 6: walk into a room, she wants to be picked up. 59 00:02:46,181 --> 00:02:47,781 Speaker 6: So this is probably the only moment in my life 60 00:02:47,782 --> 00:02:50,142 Speaker 6: where she will do it. I don't hate this. I 61 00:02:50,222 --> 00:02:53,781 Speaker 6: reckon it says, I acknowledge you. I like what Shriver 62 00:02:53,862 --> 00:02:56,742 Speaker 6: says about you often walk into a room and kids 63 00:02:56,782 --> 00:02:59,702 Speaker 6: are on tablets or phones or television. It's like you're 64 00:02:59,742 --> 00:03:03,182 Speaker 6: just white noise in the background. I reckon, do what 65 00:03:03,222 --> 00:03:06,582 Speaker 6: you want your own house to teach respect and etiquette. 66 00:03:06,582 --> 00:03:08,902 Speaker 6: But I look back at my childhood and no hate 67 00:03:08,982 --> 00:03:11,582 Speaker 6: my parents, but there were some basic etiquette rules. I 68 00:03:11,622 --> 00:03:14,582 Speaker 6: feel as though I missed and I had to learn 69 00:03:14,582 --> 00:03:18,661 Speaker 6: in adulthood what I only learned very recently that when 70 00:03:18,662 --> 00:03:21,022 Speaker 6: you're at a table with people and you pour yourself 71 00:03:21,022 --> 00:03:23,022 Speaker 6: a glass of water, like at a restaurant or something, 72 00:03:23,222 --> 00:03:24,502 Speaker 6: then you should also pour them a. 73 00:03:24,502 --> 00:03:25,102 Speaker 3: Glass of water. 74 00:03:25,782 --> 00:03:27,582 Speaker 6: I was never taught that because I didn't really go 75 00:03:27,622 --> 00:03:29,582 Speaker 6: out to dinner that much, so I didn't know. And 76 00:03:29,742 --> 00:03:32,822 Speaker 6: also I remember going to a girl I went to 77 00:03:32,942 --> 00:03:34,942 Speaker 6: high school with. We were maybe fifteen, and she had 78 00:03:34,982 --> 00:03:37,262 Speaker 6: like a dinner party at her house and she wanted 79 00:03:37,302 --> 00:03:39,542 Speaker 6: to have like a soiree and anyway, and they served 80 00:03:39,542 --> 00:03:40,982 Speaker 6: as dinner, and I didn't know what to do with 81 00:03:41,102 --> 00:03:42,942 Speaker 6: my knife and fork. I didn't know where to start. 82 00:03:42,942 --> 00:03:44,182 Speaker 6: I didn't know what to do when it was finished, 83 00:03:45,142 --> 00:03:47,742 Speaker 6: and her mother came over and made some comment about like, 84 00:03:48,062 --> 00:03:49,902 Speaker 6: no one's ever taught you to use a knife for fork, 85 00:03:49,982 --> 00:03:50,542 Speaker 6: and I was like. 86 00:03:50,582 --> 00:03:51,902 Speaker 3: Your daughter is a bitch. 87 00:03:52,262 --> 00:03:54,942 Speaker 6: I would prather not know how to use a knife 88 00:03:54,982 --> 00:03:56,862 Speaker 6: for fork than be satan maya. 89 00:03:56,902 --> 00:03:59,502 Speaker 2: Can you imagine a world in which you entered a 90 00:03:59,582 --> 00:04:01,302 Speaker 2: room and your children all stood up? 91 00:04:01,582 --> 00:04:04,062 Speaker 1: It made me think of that expression if you want 92 00:04:04,222 --> 00:04:07,302 Speaker 1: someone to be happy when you get home and you've 93 00:04:07,342 --> 00:04:11,902 Speaker 1: got teenagers by a dog, And I do have a dog, 94 00:04:11,942 --> 00:04:14,942 Speaker 1: and my dog now both my dogs is very she jumps. 95 00:04:14,982 --> 00:04:16,782 Speaker 1: Both of them jump up, actually. 96 00:04:16,462 --> 00:04:17,981 Speaker 3: Which is a behavioral issue. 97 00:04:18,902 --> 00:04:21,142 Speaker 1: One of them leaps up to the height of my head. 98 00:04:21,981 --> 00:04:24,181 Speaker 1: I wanted to not like this. I wanted to think 99 00:04:24,181 --> 00:04:28,342 Speaker 1: it was draconian, but I think at its heart is 100 00:04:28,541 --> 00:04:30,662 Speaker 1: and we're going to be talking about this a little 101 00:04:30,662 --> 00:04:33,101 Speaker 1: bit later in the show, but it's about acknowledging someone's 102 00:04:33,181 --> 00:04:38,022 Speaker 1: humanity and their presence and looking them in the eye. 103 00:04:38,061 --> 00:04:40,582 Speaker 1: I'm very strict with manners with my kids. I mean, 104 00:04:40,621 --> 00:04:44,061 Speaker 1: it's funny. My adult son was at my house the 105 00:04:44,101 --> 00:04:47,942 Speaker 1: other day and my mum came over. She really wanted 106 00:04:47,981 --> 00:04:52,061 Speaker 1: to see her now adult grandchildren and my sons. My 107 00:04:52,142 --> 00:04:54,061 Speaker 1: daughter of course, was talking to my mum. My two 108 00:04:54,061 --> 00:04:58,222 Speaker 1: sons were on their phones, texting, doing something, and I 109 00:04:58,342 --> 00:05:01,301 Speaker 1: elbowed my eldest son, who is twenty seven, and said, 110 00:05:01,821 --> 00:05:05,142 Speaker 1: get over your phone, like put your phone down. And 111 00:05:05,181 --> 00:05:08,021 Speaker 1: he looked daggers at me and said, do not ever 112 00:05:08,222 --> 00:05:10,582 Speaker 1: say that to me. Well I will. I must say 113 00:05:10,621 --> 00:05:12,701 Speaker 1: that to you. I'll say that to you again. Pick 114 00:05:12,741 --> 00:05:14,621 Speaker 1: up a phone again, I'll say it again. Can't stop 115 00:05:14,621 --> 00:05:14,902 Speaker 1: me doing. 116 00:05:14,941 --> 00:05:17,221 Speaker 2: But there's a world of difference, right because I agree 117 00:05:17,262 --> 00:05:19,261 Speaker 2: with you. Like when I walk into my house and 118 00:05:19,301 --> 00:05:22,101 Speaker 2: I'm like hi and nobody says anything, I get really 119 00:05:22,101 --> 00:05:24,541 Speaker 2: shitty and I'll be like you will come and say Hello. 120 00:05:24,782 --> 00:05:27,342 Speaker 2: But there's a world of difference between looking up from 121 00:05:27,381 --> 00:05:30,462 Speaker 2: a phone and actually like standing up straight. 122 00:05:30,301 --> 00:05:33,142 Speaker 1: Like yeah, you know, like the questious knowledgy someone walking 123 00:05:33,222 --> 00:05:35,061 Speaker 1: into a room is really important. And I think the 124 00:05:35,061 --> 00:05:37,181 Speaker 1: thing with phones. I once read this about a director 125 00:05:37,181 --> 00:05:39,262 Speaker 1: who would not let phones on his set, and he 126 00:05:39,301 --> 00:05:42,381 Speaker 1: talked about how, even if you weren't directly involved in 127 00:05:42,421 --> 00:05:44,861 Speaker 1: the part of the conversation that was happening at that time, 128 00:05:45,381 --> 00:05:48,741 Speaker 1: one person looking at their phone leeches energy out of 129 00:05:48,741 --> 00:05:52,621 Speaker 1: the conversation, even if they're not interrupting or anything like that. 130 00:05:52,861 --> 00:05:55,502 Speaker 1: And that's true. And so when my two sons were 131 00:05:55,501 --> 00:05:57,381 Speaker 1: doing that, and my mum, I know, knew, was so 132 00:05:57,462 --> 00:05:59,741 Speaker 1: excited to be over and seeing them, and they were 133 00:05:59,782 --> 00:06:02,381 Speaker 1: probably doing whatever urgent thing has to be done in 134 00:06:02,381 --> 00:06:05,821 Speaker 1: the moment, which is never very urgent. It was leeching 135 00:06:05,941 --> 00:06:08,782 Speaker 1: energy out of the interaction, out of conversation. It was 136 00:06:08,821 --> 00:06:09,541 Speaker 1: really to humanized. 137 00:06:09,861 --> 00:06:12,941 Speaker 6: Do you think that because she's Maria Shreiver and her 138 00:06:13,101 --> 00:06:16,222 Speaker 6: children are with Arnold Schwarzenegger and they have four kids, 139 00:06:16,582 --> 00:06:18,901 Speaker 6: do you think that the expectation if you're a parent 140 00:06:19,462 --> 00:06:22,741 Speaker 6: and you know, you're famous, you're rich, you're privileged that 141 00:06:22,821 --> 00:06:25,902 Speaker 6: you have to raise your children in a particular way 142 00:06:26,101 --> 00:06:30,981 Speaker 6: to almost circumvent that, so that your children have almost 143 00:06:31,101 --> 00:06:32,902 Speaker 6: more respect that Kennedy. 144 00:06:33,902 --> 00:06:35,421 Speaker 1: My mother, Unice is a Kennedy. 145 00:06:35,462 --> 00:06:37,662 Speaker 2: I think that's more part of it. It's very waspy, 146 00:06:37,861 --> 00:06:41,861 Speaker 2: old school like respect, you know, call me mom like vibes. 147 00:06:41,902 --> 00:06:45,782 Speaker 2: It's very that. But also, yes, you often hear celebrities 148 00:06:45,782 --> 00:06:47,981 Speaker 2: talk about how important manners are in their kids because 149 00:06:47,981 --> 00:06:49,902 Speaker 2: I think they think that everybody thinks their kids are 150 00:06:49,902 --> 00:06:52,622 Speaker 2: going to be entitled brats and they want to counter program. 151 00:06:52,861 --> 00:06:55,582 Speaker 2: But I still think there is a lot of difference 152 00:06:55,621 --> 00:06:58,342 Speaker 2: between manners. And you have to stand up when I 153 00:06:58,462 --> 00:07:01,101 Speaker 2: walk in the room. I just can't even imagine it. 154 00:07:01,142 --> 00:07:03,861 Speaker 6: Holly has a role a parenting. You know how Holly 155 00:07:04,061 --> 00:07:07,501 Speaker 6: gives out so much parenting at all. And I've actually 156 00:07:07,782 --> 00:07:10,582 Speaker 6: kept this one, and it's that when you or child 157 00:07:10,662 --> 00:07:13,261 Speaker 6: walks or crawls or rolls into a room, you smile 158 00:07:13,302 --> 00:07:13,542 Speaker 6: at them. 159 00:07:13,582 --> 00:07:13,742 Speaker 1: Yeah. 160 00:07:13,782 --> 00:07:15,302 Speaker 2: Always, you always have to be happy to see them. 161 00:07:15,342 --> 00:07:16,942 Speaker 3: You always have to be happy to see them. That's 162 00:07:16,982 --> 00:07:17,462 Speaker 3: a good rule. 163 00:07:18,422 --> 00:07:22,141 Speaker 6: The Anti Social Century that's the cover story on the 164 00:07:22,142 --> 00:07:25,782 Speaker 6: February issue of The Atlantic, written by Derek Thompson. He 165 00:07:25,982 --> 00:07:29,742 Speaker 6: opens the feature with a vignette of a bar or 166 00:07:29,782 --> 00:07:33,182 Speaker 6: imagine a restaurant right, and the tables and chairs are empty. 167 00:07:33,662 --> 00:07:37,022 Speaker 6: The bar where people once sat, maybe even solo talking 168 00:07:37,022 --> 00:07:39,901 Speaker 6: to the bar man or woman, is now covered in 169 00:07:39,982 --> 00:07:43,341 Speaker 6: brown paper bags, and a person walks in, takes their bag, 170 00:07:43,702 --> 00:07:46,381 Speaker 6: barely speaks to the stuff, and retreats back to their home. 171 00:07:47,062 --> 00:07:51,622 Speaker 6: Thompson argues that solitude is impacting our personalities. There are 172 00:07:51,702 --> 00:07:54,902 Speaker 6: a bunch of statistics. Drinks with friends has declined by 173 00:07:55,142 --> 00:07:59,302 Speaker 6: thirty percent over twenty years. Rituals of togetherness like going 174 00:07:59,342 --> 00:08:01,982 Speaker 6: to the cinema has been replaced by watching a movie 175 00:08:02,262 --> 00:08:06,302 Speaker 6: at home. And solitude, he says, is different to loneliness. 176 00:08:06,422 --> 00:08:10,222 Speaker 6: Loneliness is an important human emotion. It gives us a 177 00:08:10,222 --> 00:08:14,342 Speaker 6: biological queue to go and seek out a social experience. 178 00:08:15,182 --> 00:08:18,982 Speaker 6: The thing about solitude is that we're choosing it. We 179 00:08:19,102 --> 00:08:22,022 Speaker 6: predict that alone time will make us happier, and all 180 00:08:22,062 --> 00:08:24,542 Speaker 6: the research says it absolutely does not. 181 00:08:25,542 --> 00:08:26,702 Speaker 3: Solitude has also. 182 00:08:26,502 --> 00:08:29,422 Speaker 2: Agree with the research. She disagrees with the research. 183 00:08:29,422 --> 00:08:31,022 Speaker 6: Okay, I'm going to tell you how it's transformed the 184 00:08:31,062 --> 00:08:33,062 Speaker 6: economy and then politics, and then I'm going to go 185 00:08:33,142 --> 00:08:36,702 Speaker 6: come back to you. Solitude has transformed the economy. You know, 186 00:08:36,702 --> 00:08:39,302 Speaker 6: we talk about remote work. There is a researcher named 187 00:08:39,342 --> 00:08:42,902 Speaker 6: Patrick Sharky who calls it remote life, with the entire 188 00:08:42,942 --> 00:08:45,862 Speaker 6: economy oriented around how to allow us to stay within 189 00:08:45,902 --> 00:08:48,942 Speaker 6: our own four walls. Now you might say, okay, doesn't 190 00:08:48,942 --> 00:08:51,062 Speaker 6: that mean we're spending more time with our families? And 191 00:08:51,102 --> 00:08:54,022 Speaker 6: in fact, some research suggests we are our intimate partner 192 00:08:54,022 --> 00:08:57,022 Speaker 6: for example. But what's missing is what they call the 193 00:08:57,142 --> 00:09:01,062 Speaker 6: middle circle, the neighbors, the people in our little village. 194 00:09:01,662 --> 00:09:05,742 Speaker 6: And while the close ring kids partners teach us love 195 00:09:05,742 --> 00:09:09,462 Speaker 6: and intimacy, the middle ring teaches us something called tolerance, 196 00:09:09,782 --> 00:09:13,182 Speaker 6: and it's foundational to a democracy. That's how solitude is 197 00:09:13,262 --> 00:09:14,062 Speaker 6: changing politics. 198 00:09:14,102 --> 00:09:16,862 Speaker 1: So the middle ring do you mean? Just the interactions 199 00:09:16,902 --> 00:09:21,462 Speaker 1: that we have with people getting on the busy, sitting 200 00:09:20,822 --> 00:09:22,782 Speaker 1: in the buying something in a shop. 201 00:09:23,062 --> 00:09:25,142 Speaker 6: The example they gave too was like, so you know, 202 00:09:25,182 --> 00:09:27,062 Speaker 6: there's a panc at a school and you go and 203 00:09:27,182 --> 00:09:28,862 Speaker 6: you might go and hang out with other mums or 204 00:09:28,942 --> 00:09:31,942 Speaker 6: dads and chat to them, and this mum is totally 205 00:09:31,942 --> 00:09:34,462 Speaker 6: different to you. You don't agree on most things, but 206 00:09:34,542 --> 00:09:38,662 Speaker 6: you bond over the fact your daughters do netball. That's 207 00:09:38,742 --> 00:09:42,062 Speaker 6: what's missing is what the research is suggesting. May I 208 00:09:42,182 --> 00:09:43,662 Speaker 6: please defend solitude? 209 00:09:43,782 --> 00:09:44,662 Speaker 3: Go on try. 210 00:09:46,222 --> 00:09:48,102 Speaker 1: I think the thing is I agree with a part 211 00:09:48,102 --> 00:09:49,942 Speaker 1: about tolerance, and I'll get to that in a second. 212 00:09:49,982 --> 00:09:53,262 Speaker 1: But I think that the biggest problem that we are 213 00:09:53,302 --> 00:09:56,062 Speaker 1: trying to solve by spending more time alone is that 214 00:09:56,102 --> 00:09:59,062 Speaker 1: we are never alone ever, And what being alone means 215 00:09:59,342 --> 00:10:03,142 Speaker 1: has really changed because everyone you've ever met and everyone 216 00:10:03,182 --> 00:10:06,062 Speaker 1: in the world, in fact, even Elon Musk is with 217 00:10:06,182 --> 00:10:08,182 Speaker 1: you at all times in your pocket, but he's. 218 00:10:08,062 --> 00:10:11,542 Speaker 2: Not in a meaningful And also the definition of this 219 00:10:11,862 --> 00:10:15,422 Speaker 2: and the purposes of this research is being physically alone 220 00:10:15,502 --> 00:10:15,982 Speaker 2: in a room. 221 00:10:16,102 --> 00:10:19,102 Speaker 1: Yes, And so this is where I think that the 222 00:10:19,142 --> 00:10:23,622 Speaker 1: research and this whole very overwrought piece in The Atlantic, 223 00:10:23,982 --> 00:10:26,822 Speaker 1: which I was interested to read, but I found it missed. 224 00:10:26,862 --> 00:10:30,942 Speaker 1: The main point is that being online when you're by 225 00:10:31,022 --> 00:10:34,462 Speaker 1: yourself is like a third thing, because there's being alone, 226 00:10:34,782 --> 00:10:39,022 Speaker 1: actually alone with your thoughts or in the garden. There's 227 00:10:39,142 --> 00:10:42,862 Speaker 1: being with people in a social context or going sitting 228 00:10:42,862 --> 00:10:47,462 Speaker 1: in the movies, and then there is being online alone 229 00:10:47,582 --> 00:10:50,582 Speaker 1: and that's almost a facsimile of socializing. I think it's 230 00:10:50,582 --> 00:10:53,342 Speaker 1: a third thing, and what it can be is very 231 00:10:53,422 --> 00:10:56,382 Speaker 1: very fatiguing. So I found that when I did a 232 00:10:56,462 --> 00:10:59,182 Speaker 1: No Filter episode a while back about the seven different 233 00:10:59,182 --> 00:11:02,262 Speaker 1: types of rest, and it talked about sometimes when you're exhausted, 234 00:11:02,342 --> 00:11:04,942 Speaker 1: which I often found myself last year and the year before, 235 00:11:05,782 --> 00:11:08,182 Speaker 1: I would get enough sleep. Sleep's never been a problem 236 00:11:08,182 --> 00:11:11,462 Speaker 1: for me, but I was still tired, and it was 237 00:11:11,582 --> 00:11:14,222 Speaker 1: because I was I needed social rest. There's all these 238 00:11:14,222 --> 00:11:16,462 Speaker 1: different types of rest, and sleep is actually just one 239 00:11:16,502 --> 00:11:20,022 Speaker 1: of them. Social rest is really important to have rest 240 00:11:20,102 --> 00:11:22,662 Speaker 1: being away from other people. So while I need to 241 00:11:22,742 --> 00:11:26,142 Speaker 1: be alone physically and have physical space because our job 242 00:11:26,222 --> 00:11:27,982 Speaker 1: is very social, we work in an office full of 243 00:11:28,022 --> 00:11:32,582 Speaker 1: one hundred people, when I go home, I'm still socializing 244 00:11:32,622 --> 00:11:35,342 Speaker 1: in many ways. So it's not like the olden days 245 00:11:35,422 --> 00:11:38,102 Speaker 1: where you would go home and you would be alone, 246 00:11:38,382 --> 00:11:41,462 Speaker 1: literally alone. And I'm not saying that it is the 247 00:11:41,502 --> 00:11:44,582 Speaker 1: same and that is the same quality, but we're filling 248 00:11:44,622 --> 00:11:47,262 Speaker 1: up on chips, we're filling up on this other thing 249 00:11:47,942 --> 00:11:53,062 Speaker 1: of socializing online. That means that we are socially fatigued 250 00:11:53,102 --> 00:11:55,542 Speaker 1: all the time. And the other thing that it does is, 251 00:11:55,582 --> 00:11:57,702 Speaker 1: of course, as you say, we've lost our tolerance for 252 00:11:57,742 --> 00:12:00,742 Speaker 1: the friction of being in the world. So when you 253 00:12:00,822 --> 00:12:02,182 Speaker 1: spend a lot of time on your own or when 254 00:12:02,182 --> 00:12:03,742 Speaker 1: you spend a lot of time online, and our whole 255 00:12:03,742 --> 00:12:05,782 Speaker 1: world is on demand. I can do everything when I 256 00:12:05,782 --> 00:12:08,062 Speaker 1: want to do it. I don't have to wait, I 257 00:12:08,062 --> 00:12:10,062 Speaker 1: don't have to be bored, I don't have to be frustrated. 258 00:12:10,062 --> 00:12:11,462 Speaker 1: I don't have to talk to the person I don't 259 00:12:11,462 --> 00:12:14,302 Speaker 1: want to talk to then when you have to, You're right, 260 00:12:14,342 --> 00:12:15,902 Speaker 1: that muscle is really really weak. 261 00:12:15,982 --> 00:12:16,742 Speaker 5: But I don't know. 262 00:12:16,782 --> 00:12:19,102 Speaker 1: I find these articles a little bit exhausting because it's like, well, 263 00:12:19,142 --> 00:12:20,662 Speaker 1: what do you want to do? You can't put the 264 00:12:20,702 --> 00:12:21,262 Speaker 1: genie back in the. 265 00:12:21,262 --> 00:12:24,102 Speaker 2: Bottom, but what it's doing, which I found interesting because 266 00:12:24,102 --> 00:12:25,982 Speaker 2: I agree with you. And actually they do make that 267 00:12:26,142 --> 00:12:30,542 Speaker 2: point about how if we're canceling in real life social 268 00:12:30,822 --> 00:12:34,382 Speaker 2: events because we feel socially fatigued from being online. That's 269 00:12:34,382 --> 00:12:36,062 Speaker 2: one of the things he points out. He says that 270 00:12:36,502 --> 00:12:38,742 Speaker 2: sometimes people might think, oh, I'm lonely and i'm sad, 271 00:12:38,782 --> 00:12:41,302 Speaker 2: I haven't seen anyone frages, I'll make some plans, but 272 00:12:41,342 --> 00:12:43,582 Speaker 2: instead we go I'm lonely, I'm sad, and I feel 273 00:12:43,622 --> 00:12:46,342 Speaker 2: socially exhausted because I've been online. Yeah, so I'm going 274 00:12:46,382 --> 00:12:49,381 Speaker 2: to cancel my plans, woh, canceled plans Like think culturally 275 00:12:49,822 --> 00:12:54,302 Speaker 2: about how much now we celebrate introversion canceled plans. I 276 00:12:54,342 --> 00:12:56,662 Speaker 2: don't have to go to Mum's boundaries, like all the 277 00:12:56,662 --> 00:12:58,982 Speaker 2: things that where we're like, we want to build a 278 00:12:59,022 --> 00:13:01,742 Speaker 2: little wall around ourselves. And I think it's because we 279 00:13:01,862 --> 00:13:03,822 Speaker 2: just want to be alone with our phones, right, because 280 00:13:03,862 --> 00:13:06,302 Speaker 2: it's easy, and that's what we really want. 281 00:13:06,182 --> 00:13:07,622 Speaker 3: To do, and we can put it down when we 282 00:13:07,662 --> 00:13:08,422 Speaker 3: feel that, yeah. 283 00:13:08,262 --> 00:13:09,302 Speaker 2: Exact ways that we can't. 284 00:13:09,542 --> 00:13:12,782 Speaker 1: So texting with a friend is not necessarily a conversation, 285 00:13:12,862 --> 00:13:14,342 Speaker 1: even if you're doing it in real time. It's a 286 00:13:14,342 --> 00:13:17,022 Speaker 1: series of monologues. But I think that it's not the 287 00:13:17,062 --> 00:13:20,142 Speaker 1: same thing. We feel fatigued because you know, for example, 288 00:13:20,182 --> 00:13:22,261 Speaker 1: I had a wedding to go to last week, and 289 00:13:23,342 --> 00:13:25,902 Speaker 1: I was feeling, oh, I'm so tired because I knew 290 00:13:25,942 --> 00:13:27,582 Speaker 1: it was going to take a lot of social energy 291 00:13:27,582 --> 00:13:29,622 Speaker 1: and I don't have a lot of social energy. That 292 00:13:29,742 --> 00:13:33,062 Speaker 1: muscle of small talk of all of those things you 293 00:13:33,102 --> 00:13:37,222 Speaker 1: can't control has become very flabby for me. And yet 294 00:13:37,222 --> 00:13:40,342 Speaker 1: when I went there, I had the most lovely conversations. 295 00:13:40,462 --> 00:13:43,022 Speaker 1: I came back feeling so nourished. It's like eating a 296 00:13:43,022 --> 00:13:46,822 Speaker 1: big nutritious meal instead of fuzz food five hundred. 297 00:13:46,502 --> 00:13:49,422 Speaker 6: Percent that our phones and the internet is one part 298 00:13:49,422 --> 00:13:51,342 Speaker 6: of the story, but not the whole story. So there 299 00:13:51,422 --> 00:13:53,782 Speaker 6: was some research in this article and it's something that's 300 00:13:53,982 --> 00:13:56,942 Speaker 6: replicated in Australia, which is that from the nineteen seventies 301 00:13:57,542 --> 00:14:02,502 Speaker 6: governments have wound back on the creation of public spaces. Politically, 302 00:14:02,542 --> 00:14:06,182 Speaker 6: we went from a focus on community and government provided 303 00:14:06,222 --> 00:14:10,822 Speaker 6: services to going very neoliberal, very individualistic, and everyone was 304 00:14:10,902 --> 00:14:12,022 Speaker 6: just in charge of themselves. 305 00:14:12,142 --> 00:14:15,062 Speaker 2: And also everybody retreated to their televisions. It's really interesting 306 00:14:15,102 --> 00:14:17,382 Speaker 2: how they say that in this article. They make the 307 00:14:17,422 --> 00:14:21,262 Speaker 2: point that in that time we gained about six hours 308 00:14:21,262 --> 00:14:23,902 Speaker 2: of leisure time a week because of various technological advances, 309 00:14:23,902 --> 00:14:26,062 Speaker 2: and we gave them all to the TV. Yeah, and 310 00:14:26,102 --> 00:14:29,262 Speaker 2: it's kind of like, now, you know, technology is making 311 00:14:29,302 --> 00:14:31,062 Speaker 2: our life easier every day in lots of ways, and 312 00:14:31,062 --> 00:14:33,262 Speaker 2: what do we do with those extra hours? We give 313 00:14:33,302 --> 00:14:34,022 Speaker 2: them to our phone. 314 00:14:34,302 --> 00:14:34,662 Speaker 1: Yeah. 315 00:14:34,782 --> 00:14:37,582 Speaker 6: He wrote about though, was that the demographic that is 316 00:14:37,662 --> 00:14:41,222 Speaker 6: sort of experiencing the most solitude and is choosing it 317 00:14:41,302 --> 00:14:45,262 Speaker 6: is young men. And there was this brilliant term that 318 00:14:45,422 --> 00:14:48,422 Speaker 6: a philosopher named Andrew Taggart came up with, which was 319 00:14:48,622 --> 00:14:51,382 Speaker 6: secular monks. So no, how a monk goes about their 320 00:14:51,422 --> 00:14:55,142 Speaker 6: life in a really disciplined way. I mean, ironically, monks 321 00:14:55,382 --> 00:14:58,622 Speaker 6: are in a group and they have the community of worshiping. 322 00:14:58,862 --> 00:15:01,422 Speaker 1: Didn't have a scitus to why they were doing that. 323 00:15:01,542 --> 00:15:03,102 Speaker 1: Is it to watch porn and game? 324 00:15:03,262 --> 00:15:07,422 Speaker 6: No? No, Basically he talks about and I've been served 325 00:15:07,502 --> 00:15:08,422 Speaker 6: this in my algorithm. 326 00:15:08,662 --> 00:15:10,462 Speaker 3: Have you ever been served with the morning routine of 327 00:15:10,502 --> 00:15:11,022 Speaker 3: a young man. 328 00:15:11,222 --> 00:15:13,462 Speaker 2: I've been served lots of morning routines. I don't think 329 00:15:13,502 --> 00:15:13,902 Speaker 2: any men. 330 00:15:14,062 --> 00:15:16,422 Speaker 6: Okay, the young man will get up and hill. We've 331 00:15:16,422 --> 00:15:19,822 Speaker 6: talked about this before, have the cold plunge, do the exercise. 332 00:15:19,942 --> 00:15:22,062 Speaker 6: In fact, this is very Brian Johnson, who we talk 333 00:15:22,102 --> 00:15:25,782 Speaker 6: about on yesterday's Subscribe episode. But the morning routine is 334 00:15:26,102 --> 00:15:29,262 Speaker 6: very controlled and very I have my breakfast and I 335 00:15:29,302 --> 00:15:30,462 Speaker 6: have my vitamins and then I. 336 00:15:30,382 --> 00:15:31,102 Speaker 3: Do my exercise. 337 00:15:31,182 --> 00:15:32,782 Speaker 1: So als of that optimizing. 338 00:15:32,222 --> 00:15:34,902 Speaker 6: Stuff, optimizing stuff. What you will never see in the 339 00:15:34,942 --> 00:15:39,702 Speaker 6: morning routine is another person. So it's like even the exercise. 340 00:15:39,782 --> 00:15:41,662 Speaker 6: And I've said this to Luca, I've watched it and 341 00:15:41,902 --> 00:15:43,742 Speaker 6: as a lot of these men work from home as well, 342 00:15:43,742 --> 00:15:46,022 Speaker 6: and I think when was the last time this person 343 00:15:46,782 --> 00:15:47,822 Speaker 6: saw another person. 344 00:15:48,062 --> 00:15:48,182 Speaker 5: Like. 345 00:15:48,542 --> 00:15:50,702 Speaker 3: That's what I found fascinating about this is you think that's. 346 00:15:50,582 --> 00:15:53,662 Speaker 1: Because women are inherently more social creatures and we have 347 00:15:54,302 --> 00:15:58,222 Speaker 1: more caring responsibilities. So often the only time you'll get alone, 348 00:15:58,262 --> 00:16:00,222 Speaker 1: the only time I get alone often is in my car. 349 00:16:00,782 --> 00:16:03,502 Speaker 1: Often you're not even alone on the toilet when you're 350 00:16:03,782 --> 00:16:05,022 Speaker 1: always got little kids in your house. 351 00:16:05,102 --> 00:16:05,542 Speaker 3: This theory. 352 00:16:05,582 --> 00:16:07,022 Speaker 6: I was listening to Trevor Noa the other day and 353 00:16:07,102 --> 00:16:10,142 Speaker 6: he had the best serie, which is that women were 354 00:16:10,222 --> 00:16:12,222 Speaker 6: pushed out of the workplace and into their homes for 355 00:16:12,382 --> 00:16:15,502 Speaker 6: a lot of years, right, and they had to find 356 00:16:15,542 --> 00:16:18,822 Speaker 6: a way to fill their time with connection, whether it 357 00:16:18,862 --> 00:16:22,182 Speaker 6: was book clubs, whether it was coffee dates, whether it 358 00:16:22,222 --> 00:16:25,982 Speaker 6: was being able to have a great conversation. Men haven't 359 00:16:26,022 --> 00:16:28,462 Speaker 6: practiced that to the same degree like they're up. 360 00:16:28,462 --> 00:16:30,742 Speaker 2: Until very recently, or they got it at work. 361 00:16:30,822 --> 00:16:32,542 Speaker 3: They got it at work, which we do now too. 362 00:16:32,702 --> 00:16:35,662 Speaker 6: Yes, And so women could easily go into the workplace 363 00:16:35,702 --> 00:16:37,742 Speaker 6: when we were allowed because we were just kind of like, oh, 364 00:16:37,942 --> 00:16:40,102 Speaker 6: our brains can do this. But men now have this 365 00:16:40,222 --> 00:16:43,022 Speaker 6: whole region of their life that it's like, I'm not 366 00:16:43,102 --> 00:16:46,982 Speaker 6: practiced in how to fill this and connect and do 367 00:16:47,262 --> 00:16:50,102 Speaker 6: the things that maybe come a little bit more naturally 368 00:16:50,142 --> 00:16:52,142 Speaker 6: to women, probably because we've also seen them in our 369 00:16:52,142 --> 00:16:55,822 Speaker 6: mothers and our grandmothers and everything throughout generations. But I 370 00:16:55,862 --> 00:16:58,702 Speaker 6: thought the point about young men was particularly poignant because 371 00:16:58,702 --> 00:17:01,182 Speaker 6: we talk about loneliness, but I think that's a very 372 00:17:01,222 --> 00:17:06,182 Speaker 6: different thing to choosing to be alone, which I'm seeing 373 00:17:06,222 --> 00:17:06,661 Speaker 6: a lot of. 374 00:17:07,382 --> 00:17:09,462 Speaker 3: They think they're okay, and from the outside, I go. 375 00:17:09,782 --> 00:17:12,101 Speaker 2: It's interesting though, because one of the things I've always 376 00:17:12,622 --> 00:17:15,661 Speaker 2: thought and said to people in my life, and I 377 00:17:15,702 --> 00:17:17,901 Speaker 2: said to my kids, is you have to learn how 378 00:17:17,942 --> 00:17:19,502 Speaker 2: to be happy with your own company. I think it's 379 00:17:19,542 --> 00:17:22,142 Speaker 2: really important. I think that learning how to be alone 380 00:17:22,821 --> 00:17:25,422 Speaker 2: is actually really conducive to you having a healthy life, 381 00:17:25,422 --> 00:17:28,381 Speaker 2: because I know I and many many people around me 382 00:17:28,782 --> 00:17:31,742 Speaker 2: with or without phone. This is not phone. I'm talking 383 00:17:31,782 --> 00:17:33,902 Speaker 2: about real life. Like so maybe you've got your phone, 384 00:17:33,901 --> 00:17:36,502 Speaker 2: maybe you haven't. But the point is is that people 385 00:17:36,661 --> 00:17:39,022 Speaker 2: women in particular, have often been terrified of being alone, 386 00:17:39,061 --> 00:17:41,782 Speaker 2: and because of that, they'll be in terrible relationships. They'll 387 00:17:41,782 --> 00:17:44,101 Speaker 2: put up with friendships that are toxic, they'll put up 388 00:17:44,141 --> 00:17:45,621 Speaker 2: with all kinds of things because they're like, I couldn't 389 00:17:45,621 --> 00:17:49,262 Speaker 2: possibly be alone. Right, So I make it a point 390 00:17:49,341 --> 00:17:52,221 Speaker 2: to say to my kids, you know, I went traveling alone. 391 00:17:52,502 --> 00:17:54,221 Speaker 2: I moved across the world alone. I can walk into 392 00:17:54,262 --> 00:17:56,381 Speaker 2: a restaurant alone, I can go to the movies alone. Like, 393 00:17:56,422 --> 00:17:58,181 Speaker 2: I think it's good to learn how to be alone, 394 00:17:58,222 --> 00:18:01,861 Speaker 2: because then you choose social connection when you want it. 395 00:18:01,901 --> 00:18:03,821 Speaker 2: And I think that that's a good thing. But the 396 00:18:03,861 --> 00:18:06,862 Speaker 2: problem with that is because now our lives have been 397 00:18:06,861 --> 00:18:09,061 Speaker 2: redesigned that we do all want to be alone all 398 00:18:09,101 --> 00:18:11,341 Speaker 2: the time. It's almost the flip, and now I'm like, 399 00:18:11,742 --> 00:18:14,061 Speaker 2: you have to learn how to be around people that 400 00:18:14,141 --> 00:18:17,101 Speaker 2: you don't particularly want to be around, like, because they 401 00:18:17,141 --> 00:18:20,542 Speaker 2: get to choose everything about their lives and their interactions 402 00:18:20,742 --> 00:18:24,061 Speaker 2: based on their technological choices and their algorithms. So now 403 00:18:24,101 --> 00:18:26,502 Speaker 2: I'm more likely to be saying to them, you need 404 00:18:26,542 --> 00:18:29,222 Speaker 2: to learn how to talk to strangers in a room. 405 00:18:29,502 --> 00:18:31,381 Speaker 2: You need to learn how to be nice to Nana 406 00:18:31,422 --> 00:18:33,381 Speaker 2: when she comes over, and you want to be looking 407 00:18:33,422 --> 00:18:36,422 Speaker 2: at your thing like. It's interesting because I generally think 408 00:18:36,462 --> 00:18:38,981 Speaker 2: that learning to love your own company is one of 409 00:18:38,982 --> 00:18:42,222 Speaker 2: the important parts of happiness. But I think that's different 410 00:18:42,262 --> 00:18:45,502 Speaker 2: from being isolated out loud as in a moment we're 411 00:18:45,502 --> 00:18:47,661 Speaker 2: telling you about a TV drama and a docco and 412 00:18:47,702 --> 00:18:50,061 Speaker 2: a podcast that probably we don't all agree a good 413 00:18:50,101 --> 00:18:52,742 Speaker 2: but we all want you to listen too much. 414 00:19:00,422 --> 00:19:00,782 Speaker 3: Friends. 415 00:19:00,821 --> 00:19:02,381 Speaker 6: I was going to throw this in as my best 416 00:19:02,381 --> 00:19:04,341 Speaker 6: this week, but then I thought, because we were doing 417 00:19:04,381 --> 00:19:07,061 Speaker 6: a giveaway, it wouldn't look authentic. But I'm going to 418 00:19:07,141 --> 00:19:10,741 Speaker 6: tell you about it anyway. I did a hike with 419 00:19:10,861 --> 00:19:15,022 Speaker 6: my mum recently with the Tasmanian Walking Company and it 420 00:19:15,061 --> 00:19:17,341 Speaker 6: was on Bruney Island. It was two nights, three days, 421 00:19:17,942 --> 00:19:22,262 Speaker 6: and it was the most energizing, rejuvenating. 422 00:19:22,542 --> 00:19:24,622 Speaker 3: I mean, we're just talking about solitude. 423 00:19:24,982 --> 00:19:27,622 Speaker 6: This was walking with people that you know, I'd never met, 424 00:19:27,661 --> 00:19:30,821 Speaker 6: and I had the most insightful conversations. 425 00:19:31,141 --> 00:19:33,701 Speaker 3: Was their WiFi at points, but mostly not. 426 00:19:34,101 --> 00:19:36,101 Speaker 1: I think that's a good thing. I'm saying because I 427 00:19:36,101 --> 00:19:38,701 Speaker 1: think that's actually a wonderful thing. 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Oh well, 459 00:20:59,661 --> 00:21:02,302 Speaker 2: Jesse always tells me that my recommendation is a crap. 460 00:21:02,381 --> 00:21:02,782 Speaker 3: Yeah, I do. 461 00:21:02,982 --> 00:21:04,821 Speaker 2: And I've been thinking about that, and I've been like, 462 00:21:04,861 --> 00:21:07,661 Speaker 2: sometimes I just recommend things that I think this is interesting. 463 00:21:07,702 --> 00:21:10,862 Speaker 2: You should listen to it or read it necessarily it's excellent. 464 00:21:10,861 --> 00:21:11,981 Speaker 2: All right, Okay, I think. 465 00:21:11,821 --> 00:21:14,101 Speaker 1: They're usually crap. But I'm going to give a shout 466 00:21:14,101 --> 00:21:17,141 Speaker 1: out to a couple like Black Doves and Rivals. 467 00:21:17,222 --> 00:21:19,462 Speaker 3: Come on, you've been on a good run. 468 00:21:19,581 --> 00:21:20,262 Speaker 2: Yeah, I reckon. 469 00:21:20,262 --> 00:21:22,782 Speaker 1: She has a twenty percent. Strikes me slightly higher. 470 00:21:23,861 --> 00:21:27,141 Speaker 2: As I'm always saying to me, people like different things, guys, 471 00:21:27,581 --> 00:21:30,181 Speaker 2: people like different things. And someone is going to like 472 00:21:30,222 --> 00:21:34,502 Speaker 2: this podcast, specifically, super fans of Sex and the City 473 00:21:34,542 --> 00:21:36,381 Speaker 2: are going to like this podcast. We're about to go 474 00:21:36,422 --> 00:21:39,702 Speaker 2: back into and just like that third season of the 475 00:21:39,821 --> 00:21:45,701 Speaker 2: very polarizing latest foray into the Sex and the City multiverse. 476 00:21:45,742 --> 00:21:50,022 Speaker 2: But anyway, Kristin Davis, who everybody knows plays Charlotte and 477 00:21:50,061 --> 00:21:51,942 Speaker 2: Sex and the City, has just started a podcast. It's 478 00:21:51,982 --> 00:21:53,621 Speaker 2: called are You a Charlotte? 479 00:21:53,821 --> 00:21:54,022 Speaker 5: Right? 480 00:21:54,742 --> 00:21:59,621 Speaker 2: Great title, It's not an amazing podcast as in, she 481 00:21:59,702 --> 00:22:01,662 Speaker 2: has a guest on this one. They talk over each 482 00:22:01,661 --> 00:22:03,101 Speaker 2: other a lot, you know, like we've been doing this 483 00:22:03,182 --> 00:22:05,381 Speaker 2: long time. We're quite good at podcasting most of the time. 484 00:22:05,502 --> 00:22:09,462 Speaker 2: Not always. Sometimes we get shouty. But if you love Love, Love, 485 00:22:09,742 --> 00:22:12,582 Speaker 2: Sex and the City, you are going to love it, 486 00:22:12,661 --> 00:22:16,061 Speaker 2: particularly the second episode. So the way it works is 487 00:22:16,061 --> 00:22:18,662 Speaker 2: basically it's just her talking. And in the first episode 488 00:22:18,661 --> 00:22:20,302 Speaker 2: she talked all about the pilot Sex and the City, 489 00:22:20,341 --> 00:22:22,862 Speaker 2: and she went into excruciating detail about how she got 490 00:22:22,861 --> 00:22:25,422 Speaker 2: the job, what the audition was like. 491 00:22:25,502 --> 00:22:28,341 Speaker 1: That does she talk about Is it like one episode 492 00:22:28,422 --> 00:22:29,061 Speaker 1: per episode? 493 00:22:29,182 --> 00:22:31,462 Speaker 2: Not clear yet what the format's going to be, because 494 00:22:31,502 --> 00:22:34,461 Speaker 2: the second episode was a conversation with a guest, and 495 00:22:34,502 --> 00:22:37,381 Speaker 2: the guest was Sarah Winter. Now Sarah Winter is an 496 00:22:37,381 --> 00:22:41,621 Speaker 2: Australian actress who was the very first face you ever 497 00:22:41,702 --> 00:22:43,141 Speaker 2: saw on Sex in the City. 498 00:22:43,302 --> 00:22:43,901 Speaker 3: I remember that. 499 00:22:44,101 --> 00:22:46,302 Speaker 2: So if you remember the pilot of Sex and the City, 500 00:22:46,302 --> 00:22:49,381 Speaker 2: it opens with a gorgeous, skinny, white blonde lady in 501 00:22:49,422 --> 00:22:51,221 Speaker 2: the back of a taxi and she was an English 502 00:22:51,302 --> 00:22:54,741 Speaker 2: journalist who just moved from London to New York to 503 00:22:54,782 --> 00:22:57,061 Speaker 2: live the single lady dream. And it all crumbles oh, 504 00:22:57,061 --> 00:22:59,701 Speaker 2: they used to do sort of vox pops yes at 505 00:22:59,742 --> 00:23:02,262 Speaker 2: the beginning, and she was basically setting up the whole 506 00:23:02,302 --> 00:23:05,582 Speaker 2: premise that you know, New York's full of toxic bachelors, 507 00:23:05,621 --> 00:23:08,022 Speaker 2: and she gets ghosted, not that they call that. Then 508 00:23:08,101 --> 00:23:09,941 Speaker 2: she also was the first person to have sex and 509 00:23:09,982 --> 00:23:13,141 Speaker 2: sex in the city, and she tells a very funny 510 00:23:13,182 --> 00:23:15,621 Speaker 2: story about how she didn't know she was going to 511 00:23:15,661 --> 00:23:18,302 Speaker 2: have to be nude, but then she was. And Kristin 512 00:23:18,341 --> 00:23:20,861 Speaker 2: Davis says, oh, I remember sitting in my trailer getting 513 00:23:20,861 --> 00:23:23,222 Speaker 2: my makeup done and a woman came running in and going. 514 00:23:23,262 --> 00:23:25,782 Speaker 3: Quick, we need a couple of ice cubes for Sarah 515 00:23:25,821 --> 00:23:26,581 Speaker 3: winter nipple. 516 00:23:28,502 --> 00:23:30,702 Speaker 2: And then the two of them get talking about dating 517 00:23:30,782 --> 00:23:32,982 Speaker 2: and dating in midlife and the weirdest dates they've ever 518 00:23:33,022 --> 00:23:36,061 Speaker 2: been on, and Sarah Winter once went on a date 519 00:23:36,101 --> 00:23:38,622 Speaker 2: with a man who only ate baby food, and also 520 00:23:38,782 --> 00:23:41,821 Speaker 2: once went on a date with a guy first date 521 00:23:42,182 --> 00:23:44,462 Speaker 2: who in the middle of the meal, went into the kitchen, 522 00:23:44,621 --> 00:23:48,662 Speaker 2: picked up a pre arranged guitar and sat down and 523 00:23:48,821 --> 00:23:53,022 Speaker 2: sang to her kissed the girl from Little Mermaid Musical, 524 00:23:53,182 --> 00:23:54,942 Speaker 2: complete with fake Jamaican accent. 525 00:23:55,542 --> 00:23:58,581 Speaker 6: Oh my goodness, Oh wow, that's going to resonate for 526 00:23:58,621 --> 00:23:59,102 Speaker 6: a lot. 527 00:23:58,901 --> 00:24:03,542 Speaker 1: Of similar story that says cringe as that is in 528 00:24:03,581 --> 00:24:06,581 Speaker 1: Britney Spears's memoir when she talked about Justin Timberlake playing 529 00:24:06,581 --> 00:24:08,142 Speaker 1: the guitar after her abortion. 530 00:24:08,462 --> 00:24:12,782 Speaker 2: Oh yes, like just put the guitars away, guys. Anyway, 531 00:24:13,022 --> 00:24:14,942 Speaker 2: So if you are a sex and the city, there 532 00:24:14,982 --> 00:24:16,941 Speaker 2: is a lot of detail in this. Kristin Davis is 533 00:24:17,022 --> 00:24:19,061 Speaker 2: very likable. The question of are you as Charlotte she 534 00:24:19,141 --> 00:24:21,222 Speaker 2: kind of ends on. She decides she's not really even 535 00:24:21,222 --> 00:24:23,942 Speaker 2: a Charlotte self, et cetera. If you like Second City, 536 00:24:23,982 --> 00:24:25,302 Speaker 2: you and love it. That's my record. 537 00:24:25,341 --> 00:24:28,701 Speaker 6: This week, I want to recommend a TV show. It 538 00:24:28,821 --> 00:24:32,302 Speaker 6: is called Lockerbye, A Search for Truth. It's on seven plus. 539 00:24:31,982 --> 00:24:33,702 Speaker 2: And find it will not be fine. 540 00:24:33,942 --> 00:24:37,421 Speaker 6: It is about the Lockerby air disaster, which I vaguely 541 00:24:37,502 --> 00:24:37,901 Speaker 6: knew about. 542 00:24:37,901 --> 00:24:39,702 Speaker 3: Holly, were you filved through this day? 543 00:24:39,782 --> 00:24:43,061 Speaker 6: Yes, So basically what happened was on the twenty first 544 00:24:43,101 --> 00:24:45,661 Speaker 6: of December nineteen eighty eight, a pan Am flight that 545 00:24:45,742 --> 00:24:48,941 Speaker 6: was going from Heathrow to New York exploded over a 546 00:24:48,942 --> 00:24:50,982 Speaker 6: small town in Scotland called Lockerby. 547 00:24:51,022 --> 00:24:52,382 Speaker 3: So this is a true story. 548 00:24:52,621 --> 00:24:54,902 Speaker 1: That's I love how you say it's a true story. 549 00:24:54,982 --> 00:24:56,941 Speaker 1: As if there aren't some of us who are listening 550 00:24:57,141 --> 00:24:59,582 Speaker 1: who were alive the old day. 551 00:24:59,782 --> 00:25:02,422 Speaker 3: I remember there are some. This is two years before 552 00:25:02,422 --> 00:25:02,861 Speaker 3: I was born. 553 00:25:02,942 --> 00:25:05,461 Speaker 6: Two hundred and fifty nine people were killed, as well 554 00:25:05,502 --> 00:25:08,702 Speaker 6: as eleven residents, and it was just the most terrific disaster. 555 00:25:09,061 --> 00:25:11,422 Speaker 6: So this is all set up in the first episode, 556 00:25:11,462 --> 00:25:14,702 Speaker 6: but the rest of the series follows Dr Jim Swire 557 00:25:14,942 --> 00:25:16,661 Speaker 6: played by Colin first Sor. 558 00:25:16,661 --> 00:25:17,261 Speaker 1: It's a drama. 559 00:25:17,422 --> 00:25:18,102 Speaker 3: It's a drama. 560 00:25:18,141 --> 00:25:20,381 Speaker 1: Do they ever find out who did it? What happened? 561 00:25:20,422 --> 00:25:22,341 Speaker 3: Well, that's what this whole series is about. 562 00:25:22,502 --> 00:25:22,821 Speaker 4: Planes. 563 00:25:22,861 --> 00:25:32,821 Speaker 3: Gonda, my child is on that plane. 564 00:25:33,222 --> 00:25:42,101 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, three two hundred and seventy people killed. Intelligence 565 00:25:42,141 --> 00:25:44,461 Speaker 2: sources believe it to have been a revenge attack by Iran. 566 00:25:44,581 --> 00:25:45,222 Speaker 2: Mardy Guthrie. 567 00:25:45,222 --> 00:25:45,902 Speaker 1: I'm a journalist. 568 00:25:46,101 --> 00:25:49,782 Speaker 2: Trim Swire. Flora's fate one of param's busiest times of 569 00:25:49,782 --> 00:25:52,182 Speaker 2: the year. That was one hundred and sixty five seats empty. 570 00:25:52,462 --> 00:25:53,782 Speaker 2: O doesn't say it was odd. 571 00:25:54,621 --> 00:25:56,381 Speaker 3: And everyone I've spoken to was gone. 572 00:25:56,502 --> 00:25:57,381 Speaker 1: Who did that again? 573 00:25:57,661 --> 00:25:59,182 Speaker 3: Because there was so much confusion. 574 00:25:59,182 --> 00:26:01,981 Speaker 1: I don't remember when that was the Cold War and 575 00:26:02,061 --> 00:26:05,422 Speaker 1: there was a lot of argibardi between Russia and America. 576 00:26:05,462 --> 00:26:07,621 Speaker 1: And was it Russia? Was it Russia? No accident? 577 00:26:07,782 --> 00:26:10,502 Speaker 6: So his daughter Flora was on that flight. He was 578 00:26:10,542 --> 00:26:13,981 Speaker 6: a GP and became fixated on this case. He was 579 00:26:14,022 --> 00:26:16,461 Speaker 6: in the courtroom every single day. I won't spoil it 580 00:26:16,542 --> 00:26:20,782 Speaker 6: because someone was convicted, but there are question marks that 581 00:26:21,061 --> 00:26:23,982 Speaker 6: Dr Jim Swire still has about who did it. So 582 00:26:24,222 --> 00:26:27,221 Speaker 6: Lockerbee that's on Binge and seven plus I've. 583 00:26:27,101 --> 00:26:30,462 Speaker 1: Got something a little lighter, but coincidentally, also on Binge, 584 00:26:30,621 --> 00:26:35,462 Speaker 1: it's a documentary about Saturday Night Live. Anybody could do comedy. 585 00:26:35,581 --> 00:26:37,222 Speaker 1: I could teach all they'll the hey how to tell 586 00:26:37,302 --> 00:26:41,782 Speaker 1: jokes of be comedy. But are you funny? Essenel was 587 00:26:41,821 --> 00:26:44,061 Speaker 1: the biggest show every day. There was nothing like it. 588 00:26:45,702 --> 00:26:53,181 Speaker 4: Presents an American institution. I got a fever. 589 00:26:53,101 --> 00:26:58,621 Speaker 5: And the only perception is Mark Capbell. Any questions you 590 00:26:58,742 --> 00:27:01,221 Speaker 5: may be wondering why you've never heard this story before. 591 00:27:01,381 --> 00:27:03,022 Speaker 4: I don't know what's story you hard, but this is 592 00:27:03,022 --> 00:27:03,901 Speaker 4: what happened. You know what. 593 00:27:03,982 --> 00:27:04,862 Speaker 3: It's fine, Let's. 594 00:27:04,702 --> 00:27:05,302 Speaker 2: Just do the thing. 595 00:27:05,422 --> 00:27:07,821 Speaker 3: Everything you're about to see has nothing to see before. 596 00:27:08,022 --> 00:27:08,581 Speaker 2: Hi, here we go. 597 00:27:08,942 --> 00:27:10,542 Speaker 3: I'm not sure I'm Amy Pohler. 598 00:27:11,381 --> 00:27:17,581 Speaker 1: Okay, that's enough. SNL is celebrating its fiftieth anniversary this year, 599 00:27:17,782 --> 00:27:22,661 Speaker 1: and this documentary is in four parts. If you're not 600 00:27:22,742 --> 00:27:25,101 Speaker 1: familiar with Saturday Night Live, who even are you? It's 601 00:27:25,262 --> 00:27:29,701 Speaker 1: the most iconic comedy show ever made. It still is on. 602 00:27:30,381 --> 00:27:33,102 Speaker 1: It's been going, as I said, for fifty years. It's 603 00:27:33,101 --> 00:27:35,542 Speaker 1: still helmed by the same guy, guy called Lorne Michaels, 604 00:27:35,942 --> 00:27:38,821 Speaker 1: who is this figure of sort of mystery and is 605 00:27:39,022 --> 00:27:41,621 Speaker 1: absolutely iconic. And some of the people that have come 606 00:27:41,702 --> 00:27:44,902 Speaker 1: from Saturday Night Live, Will Ferrell, Tina Fey, Amy Pohler, 607 00:27:45,702 --> 00:27:49,821 Speaker 1: Preet Davidson, Christin Wig, Bill Murray, Eddie Murphy. Going back, 608 00:27:50,422 --> 00:27:52,621 Speaker 1: I've watched three of the four episodes. It doesn't go 609 00:27:52,702 --> 00:27:54,982 Speaker 1: back too much to like the origins of it. I've 610 00:27:55,022 --> 00:27:58,182 Speaker 1: read like an oral history book about Saturday Night Live, 611 00:27:58,502 --> 00:28:02,902 Speaker 1: because I'm just so fascinated by Lawn, who's like this Bengali. 612 00:28:03,222 --> 00:28:05,981 Speaker 1: I'm fascinated about the way it all works, because literally, 613 00:28:06,022 --> 00:28:09,101 Speaker 1: they record at midnight on Saturday night or eleven thirty 614 00:28:09,182 --> 00:28:12,501 Speaker 1: or something, and they start the show with nothing at 615 00:28:12,502 --> 00:28:15,141 Speaker 1: the beginning of the week and a guest celebrity host, 616 00:28:15,222 --> 00:28:18,542 Speaker 1: and then by Saturday night, the line is that they 617 00:28:18,621 --> 00:28:20,662 Speaker 1: don't put the show to air because it's ready. They 618 00:28:20,661 --> 00:28:23,861 Speaker 1: put the show to air because it's time and so 619 00:28:23,982 --> 00:28:25,502 Speaker 1: in the first part they go through a whole lot 620 00:28:25,502 --> 00:28:28,022 Speaker 1: of people, famous people like Tina Fe and Amy Pola 621 00:28:28,061 --> 00:28:29,661 Speaker 1: and all of them, and they talk about their audition 622 00:28:29,702 --> 00:28:33,061 Speaker 1: and you see their audition tapes because the audition process 623 00:28:33,222 --> 00:28:36,621 Speaker 1: is extraordinary. That episode's called five Minutes, and then there's 624 00:28:36,661 --> 00:28:39,262 Speaker 1: a they spend a week in the writer's room, quite 625 00:28:39,262 --> 00:28:42,902 Speaker 1: a recent week when Iowa Debiri was the guest host, 626 00:28:43,382 --> 00:28:46,701 Speaker 1: and it shows behind the scenes of what that week's like. 627 00:28:46,782 --> 00:28:50,942 Speaker 1: It's so good, it's fantastic. So that's on binge full 628 00:28:50,982 --> 00:28:54,262 Speaker 1: part really really easy to watch after the break, a 629 00:28:54,382 --> 00:28:57,222 Speaker 1: very bad Tuesday, a beautiful super villain, and a best 630 00:28:57,222 --> 00:28:59,502 Speaker 1: that Brian Johnson would really approve of. It is our 631 00:28:59,502 --> 00:29:01,142 Speaker 1: best and worst off the week. 632 00:29:01,782 --> 00:29:03,622 Speaker 3: One unlimited out Loud access. 633 00:29:03,862 --> 00:29:08,102 Speaker 6: We drop episodes every Tuesday and Thursday exclusively for Muma 634 00:29:08,102 --> 00:29:11,142 Speaker 6: Mea subscribers. Follow the link in the show notes to 635 00:29:11,142 --> 00:29:13,502 Speaker 6: get us in your ears five days a week. 636 00:29:13,661 --> 00:29:15,142 Speaker 3: And a huge thank you to. 637 00:29:15,102 --> 00:29:25,862 Speaker 6: All our current subscribers. It's time for Best and Worst. 638 00:29:25,982 --> 00:29:27,822 Speaker 6: This is a part of the show where we share 639 00:29:27,822 --> 00:29:29,462 Speaker 6: a little bit from our personal lives. 640 00:29:30,102 --> 00:29:31,582 Speaker 3: Maya what was your worst. 641 00:29:32,022 --> 00:29:35,062 Speaker 1: My worst of the week was my brain. And there's 642 00:29:35,102 --> 00:29:38,422 Speaker 1: an upside to this in that I found it very, 643 00:29:38,542 --> 00:29:41,302 Speaker 1: very hard to get back to work last week, not 644 00:29:41,342 --> 00:29:44,181 Speaker 1: because I didn't want to go back to work, but 645 00:29:44,302 --> 00:29:47,142 Speaker 1: because I literally found my brain had forgotten how to 646 00:29:47,182 --> 00:29:48,461 Speaker 1: go back to work. Now I know I'm not the 647 00:29:48,502 --> 00:29:51,742 Speaker 1: lone ranger here, it's often hard remembering how to work. 648 00:29:51,782 --> 00:29:55,582 Speaker 1: I feel particularly in that after that Christmas break, because 649 00:29:56,022 --> 00:29:57,982 Speaker 1: it's almost like the days you get if you get 650 00:29:58,022 --> 00:30:01,542 Speaker 1: to take a break over Christmas, are worth two or 651 00:30:01,542 --> 00:30:04,422 Speaker 1: three times as much as an ordinary holiday at any 652 00:30:04,462 --> 00:30:06,461 Speaker 1: other time of the year, because no one is working, 653 00:30:06,502 --> 00:30:09,302 Speaker 1: so your emails stop, you're not getting so many texts. 654 00:30:09,302 --> 00:30:12,142 Speaker 1: You really just switch off. For me, I did more 655 00:30:12,142 --> 00:30:13,782 Speaker 1: than I ever have, or more than I have for 656 00:30:13,782 --> 00:30:16,502 Speaker 1: a really, really long time this holiday. I completely unwound 657 00:30:16,542 --> 00:30:18,502 Speaker 1: for three weeks, and so what I found challenging about 658 00:30:18,582 --> 00:30:21,422 Speaker 1: last week was remembering how to do lots of things 659 00:30:21,462 --> 00:30:24,462 Speaker 1: at once, remembering how to be places at certain times, 660 00:30:24,982 --> 00:30:28,822 Speaker 1: remembering what it felt like when lots of people wanted 661 00:30:29,342 --> 00:30:32,502 Speaker 1: something from me, and I had to basically fraction my 662 00:30:32,542 --> 00:30:36,422 Speaker 1: attention span. And I take medication for my at EHD. 663 00:30:37,182 --> 00:30:39,181 Speaker 1: I didn't take it much over the holidays. I took 664 00:30:39,222 --> 00:30:41,662 Speaker 1: a little bit, but mostly I didn't. I was back 665 00:30:41,702 --> 00:30:43,941 Speaker 1: on this week and I just I've had to adjust 666 00:30:43,982 --> 00:30:47,062 Speaker 1: my medication because it just wasn't cutting it. I don't know, 667 00:30:47,142 --> 00:30:50,142 Speaker 1: it's yeah, some people think, well, for me, it hasn't 668 00:30:50,182 --> 00:30:51,902 Speaker 1: been a case of set and forget. I'm always sort 669 00:30:51,902 --> 00:30:54,702 Speaker 1: of adjusting my medication depending on what else is going 670 00:30:54,782 --> 00:30:56,822 Speaker 1: on in my life and what I need my brain 671 00:30:56,862 --> 00:31:00,382 Speaker 1: to do. So I found that my most challenging thing. 672 00:31:00,422 --> 00:31:03,302 Speaker 1: I felt really frazzled last week. I missed deadlines. I've 673 00:31:03,382 --> 00:31:06,622 Speaker 1: kept losing things forgetting things. But this week has been 674 00:31:06,702 --> 00:31:09,822 Speaker 1: much better. My best of the week, because I'm such 675 00:31:09,822 --> 00:31:12,902 Speaker 1: a basic bitch, has been weight training. Last year, I 676 00:31:12,942 --> 00:31:16,102 Speaker 1: went to see a pelvic physio who told me all 677 00:31:16,102 --> 00:31:18,622 Speaker 1: these exercises I had to do, which I haven't done 678 00:31:19,102 --> 00:31:21,661 Speaker 1: even one time since then. But what I have done 679 00:31:21,822 --> 00:31:24,782 Speaker 1: is weight training because she said, I'm going to mangle this. 680 00:31:24,822 --> 00:31:27,142 Speaker 1: But she said, if you basically eat all the same 681 00:31:27,182 --> 00:31:29,982 Speaker 1: things and do all the same exercise, don't change anything, 682 00:31:30,062 --> 00:31:32,622 Speaker 1: you will still lose I don't know, ten percent five 683 00:31:32,661 --> 00:31:36,982 Speaker 1: percent of bone and muscle mass every year from this age, 684 00:31:37,022 --> 00:31:41,262 Speaker 1: and I was like, cool, so strength training weight training. 685 00:31:41,382 --> 00:31:43,342 Speaker 1: You know, I've always just been really a cardio person. 686 00:31:43,342 --> 00:31:45,542 Speaker 1: I've been doing a bit of polarates at home on 687 00:31:45,582 --> 00:31:48,422 Speaker 1: a reformer for the last couple of years, but weights 688 00:31:48,502 --> 00:31:51,262 Speaker 1: is not anything that I've ever really done, and so 689 00:31:51,782 --> 00:31:53,262 Speaker 1: it took me a little while to find out what 690 00:31:53,302 --> 00:31:55,302 Speaker 1: I should do and how I should do it. Now 691 00:31:55,582 --> 00:31:59,502 Speaker 1: I'm doing weight training with dumb bells, not very heavy ones. 692 00:31:59,542 --> 00:32:01,862 Speaker 1: And I've also got my weight vest that I wear 693 00:32:02,502 --> 00:32:05,661 Speaker 1: two and discuss one of two weight vests. And i 694 00:32:05,782 --> 00:32:08,421 Speaker 1: feel strong, like I don't think I look at it different, 695 00:32:08,462 --> 00:32:12,022 Speaker 1: but I feel strong, and I've forgotten how nice that feels. 696 00:32:12,062 --> 00:32:14,262 Speaker 1: I've never really done weights. I've always sort of just 697 00:32:14,302 --> 00:32:17,262 Speaker 1: done cardio for my exercise to give me those endorphins, 698 00:32:17,982 --> 00:32:20,302 Speaker 1: and I don't know, I look forward to doing my weights. 699 00:32:20,382 --> 00:32:20,701 Speaker 3: Don't know. 700 00:32:20,782 --> 00:32:21,501 Speaker 2: Are you doing it? 701 00:32:21,542 --> 00:32:21,661 Speaker 5: So? 702 00:32:21,942 --> 00:32:24,342 Speaker 2: I was going to say, because you've famously do your 703 00:32:24,382 --> 00:32:27,941 Speaker 2: exercise every morning, yeah, seven time, seven days a week, 704 00:32:28,342 --> 00:32:30,982 Speaker 2: and so you've changed your routine of what I have. 705 00:32:31,382 --> 00:32:32,582 Speaker 1: So I'm doing house cardio. 706 00:32:32,661 --> 00:32:34,542 Speaker 2: How are you handling the change routine? 707 00:32:34,622 --> 00:32:37,142 Speaker 1: I'm really loving it, like I don't like being forced 708 00:32:37,182 --> 00:32:40,462 Speaker 1: to change, but every so often I will change something. 709 00:32:40,582 --> 00:32:41,542 Speaker 3: How do you know what to do? 710 00:32:41,742 --> 00:32:44,542 Speaker 1: I've been looking on YouTube and there's some things on 711 00:32:44,902 --> 00:32:47,102 Speaker 1: move if you don't have any equipment. There's some great 712 00:32:47,102 --> 00:32:49,382 Speaker 1: workouts on move where you can use your body weight 713 00:32:49,502 --> 00:32:52,262 Speaker 1: as a weight, which is also really effective and essentially 714 00:32:52,262 --> 00:32:55,142 Speaker 1: does the same thing. I've been looking at some videos 715 00:32:55,142 --> 00:32:56,902 Speaker 1: on YouTube depending on what it is that I want 716 00:32:56,942 --> 00:32:57,182 Speaker 1: to do. 717 00:32:57,782 --> 00:32:59,981 Speaker 6: The greatest benefit I have had, I mean, the first 718 00:33:00,022 --> 00:33:02,782 Speaker 6: is that no injuries, like you do it too, yeah, yeah, 719 00:33:02,782 --> 00:33:04,981 Speaker 6: heaps of weight training, and I've found that things like 720 00:33:05,342 --> 00:33:07,262 Speaker 6: getting that period where you do your back or whatever 721 00:33:07,342 --> 00:33:08,181 Speaker 6: that's just not happened. 722 00:33:08,182 --> 00:33:10,222 Speaker 3: And the second thing is posture. 723 00:33:10,302 --> 00:33:13,062 Speaker 6: I think my posture has totally changed, and it is 724 00:33:13,222 --> 00:33:14,382 Speaker 6: such a good feeling. 725 00:33:14,062 --> 00:33:16,742 Speaker 1: Because you're in those years of carrying at toddler yeah yeah, 726 00:33:16,782 --> 00:33:19,221 Speaker 1: and picking a baby up and down and up and 727 00:33:19,262 --> 00:33:21,142 Speaker 1: down where you can really mess you back for a 728 00:33:21,142 --> 00:33:23,342 Speaker 1: good few years, and that's where you started doing it. 729 00:33:23,582 --> 00:33:26,382 Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, because I was like, I'm sick of waking 730 00:33:26,462 --> 00:33:27,902 Speaker 6: up and having a saw back or a sore hip 731 00:33:27,942 --> 00:33:29,622 Speaker 6: or whatever. And I thought, if I'm gonna get pregnant 732 00:33:29,622 --> 00:33:32,502 Speaker 6: again in whenever, yeah, then you know, The one thing 733 00:33:32,542 --> 00:33:34,262 Speaker 6: that might help is a bit of weight training. 734 00:33:34,302 --> 00:33:36,461 Speaker 1: Do you do weight sol But I need to. 735 00:33:36,542 --> 00:33:38,422 Speaker 2: I've got a weight vest and I'm gonna. I'm gonna. 736 00:33:38,462 --> 00:33:39,862 Speaker 2: I'm one of those people. And I'm sure there are 737 00:33:39,862 --> 00:33:42,782 Speaker 2: lots about lads listening who have not quite restarted. 738 00:33:42,942 --> 00:33:44,142 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 739 00:33:44,182 --> 00:33:47,741 Speaker 2: The twenty twenty five version of myself. It's coming. 740 00:33:47,902 --> 00:33:50,261 Speaker 3: It's coming in fairt Holly, what's your West? 741 00:33:50,622 --> 00:33:53,382 Speaker 2: My worst is that a really beautiful vine with loads 742 00:33:53,382 --> 00:33:55,302 Speaker 2: of flowers on it that I thought was making my 743 00:33:55,382 --> 00:33:57,862 Speaker 2: life and my garden more beautiful turned out to be 744 00:33:57,902 --> 00:34:00,462 Speaker 2: a poisonous super villain that was strangling all my plants. 745 00:34:00,702 --> 00:34:03,181 Speaker 3: Oh wow, way poisonous. 746 00:34:03,262 --> 00:34:05,542 Speaker 2: Yes, so called. It's called a moth vine. And it 747 00:34:05,622 --> 00:34:07,422 Speaker 2: was growing up this fence and I thought, that looks 748 00:34:07,462 --> 00:34:09,782 Speaker 2: really pretty. It's growing so fast, like you'd look away 749 00:34:09,822 --> 00:34:12,102 Speaker 2: and look back and it's grown like and I was 750 00:34:12,142 --> 00:34:13,902 Speaker 2: twisting it around this fence because I was thinking, that's 751 00:34:13,942 --> 00:34:16,502 Speaker 2: gonna look so pretty, And then I took. 752 00:34:16,382 --> 00:34:20,022 Speaker 3: A picture of Oh no, did Instagram tell you it's like? 753 00:34:20,661 --> 00:34:21,262 Speaker 1: No, darling. 754 00:34:21,502 --> 00:34:25,062 Speaker 2: The sap in it is poisonous. It can hurt dogs. 755 00:34:25,062 --> 00:34:27,941 Speaker 2: And also because it's so fast growing, it just wants 756 00:34:28,022 --> 00:34:30,462 Speaker 2: to get on all your other plants and strangle. 757 00:34:30,022 --> 00:34:33,301 Speaker 1: The whole Marvel movie. 758 00:34:35,181 --> 00:34:36,701 Speaker 2: And I went out there and so I had to 759 00:34:36,701 --> 00:34:38,502 Speaker 2: pull it out and then my fences or burgage. And 760 00:34:38,582 --> 00:34:41,502 Speaker 2: then I noticed while I was actually I have been 761 00:34:41,542 --> 00:34:44,221 Speaker 2: doing some exercise. I was on my exercise bike and 762 00:34:44,221 --> 00:34:45,982 Speaker 2: I was looking out the window and I noticed that 763 00:34:46,062 --> 00:34:49,742 Speaker 2: the fucking thing is all over my fence, straggling my jazz. 764 00:34:51,261 --> 00:34:51,622 Speaker 1: Plants. 765 00:34:51,701 --> 00:34:55,022 Speaker 2: It really is so that that was disturbing my best. However, 766 00:34:55,302 --> 00:35:00,262 Speaker 2: I'm very excited finally this week I managed to This weekend, 767 00:35:00,302 --> 00:35:03,942 Speaker 2: actually I managed to get Matilda to watch Twilight with me. 768 00:35:04,382 --> 00:35:08,182 Speaker 2: Now I've been begging Matilda to watch the Twilight movies. 769 00:35:08,261 --> 00:35:09,182 Speaker 3: It's so fun. 770 00:35:09,781 --> 00:35:12,901 Speaker 2: Four years I remembers when the Twilight's were a thing. 771 00:35:13,102 --> 00:35:16,021 Speaker 2: I was working in Gossip Max and for a while there, 772 00:35:16,181 --> 00:35:20,941 Speaker 2: Robert Pattinson, Christian Stewart, Taylor Launer, they were everything right. 773 00:35:21,022 --> 00:35:23,542 Speaker 2: So I was invested, because you know, I kind of 774 00:35:23,542 --> 00:35:25,221 Speaker 2: had to be. I read them all in and though 775 00:35:25,261 --> 00:35:27,102 Speaker 2: I was way too old to be reading that, ship 776 00:35:27,822 --> 00:35:30,781 Speaker 2: read them as and I do know before anyone asked 777 00:35:30,822 --> 00:35:33,502 Speaker 2: me that yes, the relationship seems to be a bit 778 00:35:34,102 --> 00:35:37,502 Speaker 2: more than a bit toxic and controlling, and even Matilda's 779 00:35:37,502 --> 00:35:40,542 Speaker 2: picking that up. She's a lot like that guy's creepy. Yeah, 780 00:35:40,661 --> 00:35:42,301 Speaker 2: she's like that guy's creepy. I'm like, I know, and 781 00:35:42,302 --> 00:35:46,102 Speaker 2: then we both just look at each other and it's 782 00:35:46,181 --> 00:35:49,381 Speaker 2: really embarrassing anyway. So I finally got her to do it. 783 00:35:49,542 --> 00:35:52,022 Speaker 2: We're on the couch, Billy wants to join in, and 784 00:35:52,062 --> 00:35:54,062 Speaker 2: I'm like, you will not like it, and he's like, 785 00:35:54,142 --> 00:35:55,821 Speaker 2: I think I will, and I was like, no, I 786 00:35:55,862 --> 00:35:59,181 Speaker 2: really don't. We watched all of Twilight and then immediately 787 00:35:59,181 --> 00:36:00,341 Speaker 2: she was like, oh, on the next one. 788 00:36:00,342 --> 00:36:02,342 Speaker 1: I was like, yes, I don't even know what they're about. 789 00:36:02,502 --> 00:36:03,542 Speaker 1: It's just a whole. 790 00:36:05,102 --> 00:36:07,381 Speaker 3: Next what fifty great? 791 00:36:07,502 --> 00:36:07,661 Speaker 1: Oh? 792 00:36:07,741 --> 00:36:11,862 Speaker 6: No, serious, because I think it's Twilight fan fiction. 793 00:36:12,102 --> 00:36:15,661 Speaker 2: Well it is, that's how that started. But it's very real. 794 00:36:15,862 --> 00:36:18,182 Speaker 2: And the movies are bad and they have dated badly 795 00:36:18,221 --> 00:36:19,022 Speaker 2: and they are too long. 796 00:36:19,181 --> 00:36:20,622 Speaker 3: Great soundtracks, as all movies are. 797 00:36:20,781 --> 00:36:23,382 Speaker 2: Yes, but what that author did because they were so 798 00:36:23,622 --> 00:36:26,181 Speaker 2: Stephanie Meyer. They were so dissed, and for good reason 799 00:36:26,261 --> 00:36:31,462 Speaker 2: in some ways, but she just absolutely nails the chemistry 800 00:36:31,701 --> 00:36:33,542 Speaker 2: and the teenage obsession. 801 00:36:33,622 --> 00:36:35,142 Speaker 1: Has she written other things since then? 802 00:36:35,622 --> 00:36:36,662 Speaker 3: You know, I'm not sure. 803 00:36:36,741 --> 00:36:38,741 Speaker 2: I'm sure there will be some out louders who definitely know, 804 00:36:38,862 --> 00:36:41,861 Speaker 2: but she would have I don't know. She's probably as 805 00:36:41,942 --> 00:36:45,542 Speaker 2: rich as Elon Musk from writing those books. And it 806 00:36:45,622 --> 00:36:48,981 Speaker 2: is true that Robert Pattinson remains gorgeous. But machildres always 807 00:36:48,982 --> 00:36:50,341 Speaker 2: going what did he say? What did he say? 808 00:36:50,342 --> 00:36:50,622 Speaker 1: Because he? 809 00:36:52,221 --> 00:36:54,542 Speaker 2: Anyway? That was my best and I can't wait to 810 00:36:54,582 --> 00:36:57,261 Speaker 2: get home and keep the marathon going. Jesse, what about you? 811 00:36:57,502 --> 00:36:59,542 Speaker 6: Oh, you know when something happens during your week and 812 00:36:59,582 --> 00:37:01,582 Speaker 6: you go, well, at least I have a worst That 813 00:37:01,741 --> 00:37:04,221 Speaker 6: was my Tuesday last week. So I woke up to 814 00:37:04,582 --> 00:37:09,181 Speaker 6: a message from a close family member saying that you know, 815 00:37:09,302 --> 00:37:11,381 Speaker 6: they been in bed and the person next to them 816 00:37:11,741 --> 00:37:14,861 Speaker 6: had had a seizure just before bed and ended up 817 00:37:14,902 --> 00:37:18,102 Speaker 6: in hospital. They were still in hospital, and I was 818 00:37:18,142 --> 00:37:20,661 Speaker 6: trying to get word if they were okay. This is 819 00:37:20,661 --> 00:37:23,382 Speaker 6: someone in their mid thirties, like, never had a seizure before. 820 00:37:23,661 --> 00:37:26,901 Speaker 6: I didn't know that that could just happen. I was 821 00:37:27,342 --> 00:37:31,102 Speaker 6: terrified because I didn't know how it had all been resolved. 822 00:37:31,741 --> 00:37:34,821 Speaker 6: And then just as I was waiting on getting word 823 00:37:34,822 --> 00:37:37,022 Speaker 6: on that, I got a call from my dad saying 824 00:37:37,062 --> 00:37:40,062 Speaker 6: that Mum had been at the GP, she had something 825 00:37:40,261 --> 00:37:42,181 Speaker 6: I thought was relatively minor, and now she's had to 826 00:37:42,181 --> 00:37:44,782 Speaker 6: go to hospital to get this oh my god operation 827 00:37:45,221 --> 00:37:48,261 Speaker 6: that was Steven's and I know indestructible friend of the 828 00:37:48,261 --> 00:37:51,861 Speaker 6: pod exactly, and it wasn't dangerous necessarily, but it was 829 00:37:52,221 --> 00:37:56,181 Speaker 6: going to be incredibly painful the procedure she needed, and 830 00:37:56,302 --> 00:37:59,381 Speaker 6: so I was very lucky that I was able to 831 00:37:59,422 --> 00:38:01,181 Speaker 6: just go, all right, I'm dropping everything at work and 832 00:38:01,221 --> 00:38:03,142 Speaker 6: I went and spent the day with mum. Look, we chatted, 833 00:38:03,382 --> 00:38:05,862 Speaker 6: I swear the nurses were like, can they I reckon? 834 00:38:06,261 --> 00:38:09,182 Speaker 3: Eight hours? We just sat there chatting. 835 00:38:11,221 --> 00:38:13,622 Speaker 6: A bonus episode, Mom and I just chatting in the hospital. 836 00:38:13,862 --> 00:38:15,661 Speaker 6: Poor woman just woke up from surgery. She wanted to 837 00:38:15,661 --> 00:38:18,062 Speaker 6: go to sleep, and we were just going on and on. 838 00:38:18,221 --> 00:38:20,502 Speaker 6: But yeah, Look, by the end of the day, I 839 00:38:20,661 --> 00:38:25,022 Speaker 6: just went. I got home and just felt totally overwhelmed. 840 00:38:25,302 --> 00:38:29,661 Speaker 6: Everyone is at the time of recording Okay, Wood touching Wood, but. 841 00:38:29,741 --> 00:38:32,741 Speaker 3: I was just like, everyone needs to just stop. 842 00:38:32,582 --> 00:38:35,422 Speaker 6: Solitude for a moment, just stay in your houses because 843 00:38:35,462 --> 00:38:36,701 Speaker 6: my nervous system can't handle it. 844 00:38:36,781 --> 00:38:38,781 Speaker 1: There was a time when it was like I just 845 00:38:38,862 --> 00:38:42,022 Speaker 1: had images of members of your family dotted around various 846 00:38:42,022 --> 00:38:43,261 Speaker 1: hospitals in your soft Wales. 847 00:38:43,382 --> 00:38:45,381 Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly right, and you'd call and me like, how's 848 00:38:45,382 --> 00:38:49,901 Speaker 6: everything going? Yeah, my best You know, we talked about 849 00:38:49,902 --> 00:38:53,062 Speaker 6: the catch up trap last week. I think on Friday 850 00:38:53,142 --> 00:38:55,582 Speaker 6: night we had a really bad night sleep with Luna 851 00:38:55,622 --> 00:38:59,422 Speaker 6: for whatever reason. We got up on Saturday and Lucas said, 852 00:38:59,822 --> 00:39:02,542 Speaker 6: Mum's really keen to have a sleepover with Luna. Why 853 00:39:02,542 --> 00:39:05,341 Speaker 6: don't we take her up on it and get a 854 00:39:05,342 --> 00:39:07,982 Speaker 6: full night sleep? And I was like, I love that idea, So. 855 00:39:08,422 --> 00:39:09,982 Speaker 2: I'm not legends. 856 00:39:10,102 --> 00:39:11,902 Speaker 6: I'm not spending it sitting on the couch though. If 857 00:39:11,942 --> 00:39:13,661 Speaker 6: we have a night, we have a night and I 858 00:39:13,741 --> 00:39:16,861 Speaker 6: am getting a margarita. So we decided to go out 859 00:39:16,862 --> 00:39:19,582 Speaker 6: for dinner, and then two of our friends we just 860 00:39:19,781 --> 00:39:21,582 Speaker 6: messaged them in the afternoon, said you want to go 861 00:39:21,622 --> 00:39:24,542 Speaker 6: out to dinner the best And we had caught up 862 00:39:24,582 --> 00:39:26,181 Speaker 6: with them two weeks before, right, so this was the 863 00:39:26,181 --> 00:39:28,662 Speaker 6: second time in two weeks. These are my closest friends, 864 00:39:28,661 --> 00:39:31,741 Speaker 6: but over the last eighteen months I've not been the 865 00:39:31,781 --> 00:39:35,661 Speaker 6: greatest friend because I've been busy. But to go out, 866 00:39:35,701 --> 00:39:38,661 Speaker 6: it was like all the catching up, We're done. So 867 00:39:38,701 --> 00:39:39,982 Speaker 6: when we sat down, you. 868 00:39:39,982 --> 00:39:40,822 Speaker 2: Could just talk. 869 00:39:41,062 --> 00:39:44,142 Speaker 6: It was like we Oh, we had the best conversation. 870 00:39:44,342 --> 00:39:48,582 Speaker 3: It was no like box ticking. It was nothing. It 871 00:39:48,622 --> 00:39:49,741 Speaker 3: was just no work. 872 00:39:49,982 --> 00:39:54,861 Speaker 6: No, it was so fun. We had the loveliest, loveliest 873 00:39:54,942 --> 00:39:56,142 Speaker 6: night ever, so did I. 874 00:39:56,342 --> 00:39:57,502 Speaker 2: Thanks to you, Mia Friedman. 875 00:39:57,862 --> 00:39:59,901 Speaker 1: It was thanks to me. I had the best time. 876 00:40:00,661 --> 00:40:01,941 Speaker 1: And she slept all the way through. 877 00:40:02,142 --> 00:40:05,341 Speaker 2: She did she does banana. Oh my goodness, that's all 878 00:40:05,342 --> 00:40:08,181 Speaker 2: we have time for today. Friends. Thank you to all 879 00:40:08,221 --> 00:40:10,062 Speaker 2: of you out louders for being with us here in 880 00:40:10,062 --> 00:40:13,142 Speaker 2: our temporary new home this week. I hope you've enjoyed 881 00:40:13,542 --> 00:40:16,221 Speaker 2: seeing us out of our natural habitats. We're getting used 882 00:40:16,221 --> 00:40:17,982 Speaker 2: to it working out where the tea lives. We're going 883 00:40:18,062 --> 00:40:19,941 Speaker 2: to be back in your ears next week. Until then, 884 00:40:20,022 --> 00:40:21,982 Speaker 2: Mia and Jesse read us out a. 885 00:40:22,022 --> 00:40:24,862 Speaker 1: Big thank you to our wonderful team group executive producer 886 00:40:24,942 --> 00:40:27,942 Speaker 1: Ruth Divine, who lives for people and banter, but then 887 00:40:27,982 --> 00:40:31,302 Speaker 1: immediately needs to be rid of everyone to recover hard. 888 00:40:31,142 --> 00:40:34,422 Speaker 6: Relate Executive producer Emeline Gazillis, who could do with more 889 00:40:34,462 --> 00:40:36,502 Speaker 6: antisocial behavior in her life. 890 00:40:36,582 --> 00:40:39,301 Speaker 1: Our audio producer is Leapaugus, who loves to auto via 891 00:40:39,422 --> 00:40:41,661 Speaker 1: QR codes on a night out and loves a bit 892 00:40:41,661 --> 00:40:44,382 Speaker 1: of solitude on the weekend. Even talking to the waiter 893 00:40:44,462 --> 00:40:45,382 Speaker 1: is too much for her. 894 00:40:45,582 --> 00:40:48,062 Speaker 6: And video producer Josh Green, who feels he has a 895 00:40:48,102 --> 00:40:52,301 Speaker 6: perfect amount of social interaction he needs with Justice. 896 00:40:52,062 --> 00:40:55,181 Speaker 1: Pets because they don't talk back but loud as. We 897 00:40:55,261 --> 00:40:58,342 Speaker 1: know you're not ready to say goodbye unless you've already gone, 898 00:40:58,502 --> 00:41:00,381 Speaker 1: so we thought we would leave you with a little 899 00:41:00,382 --> 00:41:02,782 Speaker 1: bit of a conversation we had on a subscriber episode 900 00:41:02,822 --> 00:41:07,502 Speaker 1: yesterday about Brian Johnson's new Netflix documentary where he is 901 00:41:07,582 --> 00:41:10,741 Speaker 1: trying to live forever. He's a billionaire, he wants to 902 00:41:10,781 --> 00:41:11,982 Speaker 1: defy the odds of aging. 903 00:41:12,701 --> 00:41:15,462 Speaker 2: Don't Die, dummies. That is the message of the documentary 904 00:41:15,462 --> 00:41:18,622 Speaker 2: that everybody has been watching on Netflix. It's literally called 905 00:41:18,661 --> 00:41:21,782 Speaker 2: Don't Die, and it's the story of Project Blueprint founder 906 00:41:21,942 --> 00:41:25,462 Speaker 2: Brian Johnson, a tech billionaire who has made it his 907 00:41:25,622 --> 00:41:28,022 Speaker 2: mission to live as long as he can and in fact, 908 00:41:28,221 --> 00:41:31,781 Speaker 2: to reverse the aging process. Have you two both watched it? 909 00:41:31,942 --> 00:41:33,422 Speaker 3: I have watched it? May I have you? 910 00:41:33,741 --> 00:41:36,181 Speaker 1: I haven't watched the documentary, but I've watched quite a 911 00:41:36,181 --> 00:41:39,221 Speaker 1: few YouTube videos about him last year, so I'm very 912 00:41:39,221 --> 00:41:41,381 Speaker 1: across of who he is. Is this one of those 913 00:41:41,422 --> 00:41:43,181 Speaker 1: documentaries that he was part of. 914 00:41:43,342 --> 00:41:45,661 Speaker 2: He was proved apparently so. 915 00:41:45,822 --> 00:41:48,302 Speaker 1: The link to that episode will be in the show notes. 916 00:41:48,622 --> 00:41:49,861 Speaker 3: Bye. 917 00:41:50,502 --> 00:41:53,781 Speaker 1: Shout out to any Muma Maya subscribers listening. If you 918 00:41:53,942 --> 00:41:56,302 Speaker 1: love the show and want to support us as well, 919 00:41:56,502 --> 00:41:58,861 Speaker 1: subscribing to mom and Maya is the very best way 920 00:41:58,902 --> 00:42:01,422 Speaker 1: to do so. There is a link in the episode description. 921 00:42:09,701 --> 00:42:09,781 Speaker 2: Hi,