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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is mma Mer's twice daily

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Speaker 2: news podcast, The Quickie. Is Donald Trump breaking up with Australia.

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Speaker 2: The US President has ordered a review of the Orchis

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Speaker 2: submarine deal. But what does that actually mean? Plus, the

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Speaker 2: founder of a orgasm cult once endorsed by Gwyneth Paltrow

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Speaker 2: has been found guilty of forced labor. How did this

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Speaker 2: once sober loved group fall from grace? Before we get there,

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Speaker 2: here's Claire Murphy with the latest from the Quickie newsroom

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Speaker 2: for Friday, June thirteen.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Taylor. A single passenger has walked from the wreckage

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Speaker 1: of a crash of an Air India plane which went

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Speaker 1: taking the lives of at least two hundred forty people.

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Speaker 1: Amongst the casualties are reportedly five medical students who were

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Speaker 1: A British man was found alive in the wreckage. He

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Speaker 1: His family says he has no idea how he survived.

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Speaker 1: His brother, who was on the flight with him, has

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Speaker 1: The plane, a Boying seven eight seven Dreamliner, was reportedly

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Speaker 1: in Australia just a few days ago, landing in Melbourne

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Speaker 1: before heading back to Delhi. Alleged mushroom killer Aaron Patterson

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Speaker 1: to Miss Patterson that she deliberately source death cap mushrooms

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Speaker 1: so intending to kill them. Patterson responded with disagree, disagree, disagree.

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Speaker 1: Patterson has pleaded not guilty to the murders of her

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Speaker 1: with all evidence in the trial concluded, just as Christopher

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Speaker 1: Beale told jurors about discussions they could expect before dismissing

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Speaker 1: Texan Republican Governor Greg Abbott posted on social media that

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Speaker 1: they will also be deploying the National Guard to locations

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Speaker 1: against them. The judge overseeing Harvey Weinstein's criminal trial in

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Speaker 2: Thanks Claire. Next is Australia getting dumped by Trump. Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump's team is taking another look at the Orcist Military Deal.

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Speaker 2: That's the agreement between Australia, the UK and the US

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Speaker 2: reaffirming its support for the agreement. So why has a

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Speaker 2: news feeds this week? International relations expert doctor Jessica Ganaua

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Speaker 2: might have the answer. Jess We've been told this kind

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Speaker 3: I don't think that this is actually business as usual.

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Speaker 3: So it's in the current Australian government's interest to make

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Speaker 3: that's why Richard Miles has been saying this is routine,

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Speaker 2: We've been told that this is part of the America

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Speaker 3: I think that the implications are serious because Australia has

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Speaker 3: So the very fact that August was negotiated under a

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Speaker 3: And I think just looking at Trump's personality in the

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Speaker 2: Can we talk a bit about who's been appointed to

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Speaker 3: I believe there will be at least some change, and

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Speaker 3: negative aspects for America and why America needs to seek

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Speaker 2: It'll be interesting next week when the Australian Prime Minister

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Speaker 3: Then top on the agenda for Anthony Albanesi would be

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Speaker 3: priorities will be quite different. President Trump will be trying

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Speaker 3: that would be more of a key priority for Trump.

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Speaker 3: There might be other things that Trump has in mind

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Speaker 3: He's not really thinking about how do I build this sustainable, collaborative, ongoing,

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Speaker 2: We know that the UK has also conducted a recent

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that if Australia really wants to get

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Speaker 3: our own review and our own evaluation ahead of time,

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Speaker 3: So not just be reactive to what Trump or America

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Speaker 3: what would it mean if there isn't a possibility to

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Speaker 3: partner with the US on these nuclear submarines. What around

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Speaker 3: next best options are they maybe actually better options for Australia.

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Speaker 3: I know previously we had a different submarine deal that

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Speaker 3: thinking proactively what's best for Australia in this sort of

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Speaker 3: brave new world where we can no longer consistently rely

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Speaker 3: way that we have in the past.

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Speaker 2: The founder of an orgasm cult once championed by Gwyneth Paltrow,

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Speaker 2: has been convicted of Federal Force labour Chargers Nicole Daidon

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Speaker 2: and Rachel Cherwitz of One Taste were found guilty of

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Speaker 2: pressuring vulnerable workers, many of them sexual trauma survivors, into

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Speaker 2: performing humiliating sex acts and manual labor for little or

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Speaker 2: no pay. Founded in San Francisco in two thousand and four,

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Speaker 2: One Taste marketed itself as a sexual wellness and empowerment organization.

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Speaker 2: Its signature practice was orgasmic meditation, or on fifteen minute

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Speaker 2: sessions where a clothed stroker would manually stimulate a female participant.

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Speaker 2: The company claimed to bridge the gap in sexual fulfillment

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Speaker 2: between men and women, drawing on Buddhist philosophies and wellness culture.

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Speaker 2: At its peak, it operated in multiple cities and charged

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Speaker 2: up to sixty grand per year for courses. Now. While

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Speaker 2: Gwyneth Paltrow hasn't publicly commented on the recent criminal trial,

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Speaker 2: she has been linked to the company in the past.

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Speaker 2: In twenty seventeen, the founder appeared at one of Paltrow's

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Speaker 2: in Goop health events, receiving prates from the actor slash

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Speaker 2: inventor of the Vagina candle. But behind one taste empowerment

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Speaker 2: facade lay a darker reality. One victim, identified as Becky,

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Speaker 2: testified that as a twenty three year old employee making

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Speaker 2: just two thousand dollars a month, she was expected to

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Speaker 2: engage in om with practically anybody off the street. Others

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Speaker 2: were allegedly forced to have sex with potential investors, while

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Speaker 2: many were pushed into financial ruin after being pressured to

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Speaker 2: take out loans for expensive memberships. The FBI launched an

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Speaker 2: investigation in twenty eighteen following media Expose's prosecutors described the

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Speaker 2: business as being built on the backs of victims who

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Speaker 2: gave everything to the defendants. Both women now face up.

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Speaker 2: Up to twenty is in prison with sentencing scheduled for September.

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