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Speaker 2: Taylor Straano. This is Mumma Mer's twice daily news podcast,

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Speaker 2: The Quickie. The murder of Audrey Griffin has shocked Australia

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Speaker 2: as more information comes to light about her killer's violent past,

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Speaker 2: Outrage and questions swell around how this could have been prevented.

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Speaker 3: Plus in the US.

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Speaker 2: Right now, it's the first Monday in May, which means

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Speaker 2: it's Met Garla Day. Let's step through all the details

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Speaker 2: and controversies of Garla's gone by before we get there.

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Speaker 2: He's Claire Murphy with the latest from The Quickie newsroom

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Speaker 2: for Tuesday May six.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Taylor. The jury in the trial of the alleged

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Speaker 1: Heather's husband, Ian, who managed to survive the lunch where

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Speaker 1: Three members of a true crime Facebook group that Patterson

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Speaker 1: the cardinals have now arrived in Rome and ready for

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Speaker 2: Next, what we now know about the murder of Audrey Griffin.

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Speaker 2: It's a story that's left Australia reeling. The murder of

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Speaker 2: nineteen year old Audrey Griffin. Audrey was walking to a

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Speaker 2: After initial reports suggested a possible drowning, a major police investigation.

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Speaker 2: DNA evidence found under Audrey's fingernails matched that of a

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Speaker 2: Here's where the story takes an even darker turn. Torrens

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Speaker 2: important question. If we had a way to track violent

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Speaker 2: men on their past convictions, could Torrents have been stopped?

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Speaker 2: Could Audrey's death have been prevented. That's where Claire's Law

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Speaker 2: comes in. Officially known as the Domestic Violence Disclosure Scheme,

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Speaker 2: it's named after Claire Wood, who was murdered in two

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Speaker 3: Cass?

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Speaker 2: What do we know about Adrian Torren's past?

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Speaker 4: So, Adrian had quite a long and violent criminal history.

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Speaker 4: At the time of Audrey's murder, he was actually serving

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Speaker 4: breached an avio from a previous partner. He stopped in

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Speaker 2: And the reason that we know quite a lot of

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Speaker 4: So she actually didn't know too much of his criminal

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Speaker 2: Though. We've been looking at Claire's Law, which I've already

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Speaker 2: and also for people to inquire about maybe the person

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's impossible to know for sure. There's a

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Speaker 4: So perhaps if she had a Claire's Law and she

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Speaker 2: As far as we're aware, police have said that it's

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Speaker 2: unlikely that Audrey and Adrian knew each other, so even so,

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Speaker 2: Audrey would never have been able to inquire about this

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Speaker 4: So the main arguments in favor of Claire's Law is

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Speaker 4: it encourages kind of accountability and a better database for offenders.

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Speaker 4: Just because they haven't done it in the past doesn't

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Speaker 2: Finally, Cass, we've just wrapped up the Australian federal election.

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Speaker 2: There was a big focus for our audience on domestic

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Speaker 2: but nothing extremely concrete. That's domestic violence in this case,

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Speaker 2: this is a violent offender who attacked murdered Audrey. What

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Speaker 2: can be done to better protect women? Do you think

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Speaker 2: in these situations, Not necessarily in a situation where you

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Speaker 4: I think we definitely need to look at AVO breaches

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Speaker 4: There was Claire Austin. She died in her apartment while

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Speaker 4: She was just days away from applying for an AVO

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Speaker 4: So we need to crack down on these repeat offenders

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Speaker 3: Five thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: two decades the focus is squarely on men'swear, and even

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Speaker 2: black dandyism.

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Speaker 3: Think impeccable suits and bold.

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Speaker 2: Patterns at a minimum. The exhibition, inspired by Monica L.

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Speaker 2: Miller's book Slaves to Fashion traces how black men and

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Speaker 2: women used fashion to navigate, challenge, and redefine social boundaries

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Speaker 2: from the eighteenth.

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Speaker 2: As for who's in charge of this fashion feast, as usual,

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Speaker 2: Vogues editor in chief and A Winter is charing the event,

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Speaker 2: lebron Jay has also joined as honorary chair. Here's a

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Speaker 2: speed run of some of the finer details and rules.

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Speaker 2: The guest list is hand peaked by Winter or herself.

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Speaker 2: It's strictly a list designers, celebrities, athletes, and the occasional

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Speaker 2: and definitely no smoking inside the met The idea is

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Speaker 2: to keep the event shrouded in mystery, but that hasn't

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Speaker 2: celeb lighting up when they shouldn't. However, smoking in a

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Speaker 2: stool may just be the tip of the iceberg. When

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Speaker 2: it comes to Met Gala controversies, entertainment writer Chelsea Hoy

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Speaker 2: has been tracking them all.

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Speaker 3: ChEls, let's start with the good stuff.

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Speaker 2: What are some of the bigger controversies from met galas

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Speaker 5: So, the one that instantly comes to mind is Elevator Gate,

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Speaker 5: which was jay Z and Solange having an altercation in

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Speaker 5: an elevator at the twenty fourteen Metgala. So there was

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Speaker 5: surveillance footage that was obviously leaked, and Solaune was the

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Speaker 5: same actually just lunging at jay Z while Beyonce stood

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Speaker 5: They've since really sustatement obviously saying they've moved past that,

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Speaker 5: but to this day was still not one hundred percent

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Speaker 5: sure what happened there.

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Speaker 2: It's like a ledge that she was going jay Z

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Speaker 2: because he cheated on beyoncey and like it's the origin

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Speaker 5: Yes, correct, and it all started at the met Gala.

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Speaker 3: What else has happened in previous mets.

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Speaker 5: The other one that comes to mind is that smoking

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Speaker 2: So okay, we known think it's a rule at the

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Speaker 5: It's hard to say. Kylie Jenner was obviously there. She

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Speaker 5: did Mark Jacobs. They were all actually photographed smoking at

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Speaker 2: And you're gonna break the rules, don't capture it on camera.

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Speaker 2: On the coaches are making history this year. What is

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Speaker 5: This year's MET Gala marks the first time the group

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Speaker 5: of coachairs are made up of exclusively of a cohort

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Speaker 5: of black men, which is huge. It's the kind of

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Speaker 5: first time for the MET Gala. And this is really

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Speaker 5: groundbreaking for the MET Gala, and it really kind of

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Speaker 5: complements the theme of the exhibition, which is really kind

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Speaker 5: of to highlight and spotlight black men's wear, So it

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Speaker 5: really feels like a watershed moment in fashion.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that theme, super fine tailoring, black style. Do you

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Speaker 3: I feel like most years they kind of skate by.

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Speaker 2: Obviously there are a few choice individuals who really show

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Speaker 2: Chris Hemsworth every time I see him on the Met carpet,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, what are you doing there? Look like you're

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I think we can all agree that, aside from

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Speaker 5: I'm actually really this year. I feel like it's the

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Speaker 5: obviously we're expecting to see some impeccably tailored suits from

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Speaker 2: The guest list is always hotly anticipated, but there are

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's quite a few celebs over the years who

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Speaker 5: Gwyneth Paltrow is one. Though she's like a fashion girl herself,

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Speaker 5: she has famously said that she did not have a

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Speaker 5: attending again. Tina Fey is another one who we won't

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Speaker 5: be expecting to see. She's called the Met gala a

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Speaker 2: I think her famous words where we are dressed up

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 5: Correct?

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Speaker 2: What about people like Taylor Swift? I know she's so

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Speaker 2: Knowing Taylor, I feel like I've been told that so

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Speaker 3: So maybe in matching suits.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, the one that I love and I don't

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Speaker 2: know how she would ever top it is Lady Gaga's

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Speaker 2: extra massive performance piece. I want to call it on

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Speaker 3: Is she going to be there?

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Speaker 5: Knowing Gaga, I think it's likely that she'll turn up

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Speaker 3: And finally, who are you most excited to see?

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Speaker 5: I mean, not to be basic, but Zendea. I feel

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Speaker 5: I feel like whatever red carpet you see him on,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, people are petitioning for Taylor Swift to announce reputation

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Speaker 2: put me out of my personal misery and announce that

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Speaker 2: he will be the next James Bond.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god. I love that.

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Speaker 3: It's like the perfect theme.

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Speaker 2: It's in suits, it's very superfly, very classy, very James

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Speaker 5: Yes, one hundred percent, and I see that.

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Speaker 3: I think it's cross fingers crossed.

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