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Speaker 3: We are always decluttering in our house and Luke. I

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Speaker 3: Luca because he'll throw it out. I am on the

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Speaker 4: Hello and welcome to Mamma Mia out Loud and to

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Speaker 4: our news free Friday show. Today it's the seventh of March,

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Speaker 4: and I'm Holly Waynwright.

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Speaker 3: I'm mea Friedman, and I'm Jesse Stevens.

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Speaker 4: And on today's show hoarding, throwing, selling and Swedish death cleaning.

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Speaker 4: We're talking about stuff and why what to do with

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Speaker 4: it is deeper than clutter. Also recommendations including Oscar movies,

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Speaker 4: prize winning books, and a new way to put on

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Speaker 4: foundation and also our best and Worst of the weeks,

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Speaker 4: which include flooding, fashion disasters, and a human flat phone battery.

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Speaker 4: But first, Jesse Stevens.

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Speaker 3: In case you missed it, we finally know the purpose

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Speaker 3: of that silly little jeans pocket. Do we all know

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Speaker 3: what I'm talking about?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 1: I did it, except I happened to be wearing jeans today,

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Speaker 1: so I know that this is not a visual meaning.

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Speaker 1: But it's this little pocket that's above your pockets that

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Speaker 1: your hands going to. I wondered if it was a

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Speaker 1: little coin person. It's like a little square pocket.

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Speaker 3: Holly, do you have a theory as to what that

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Speaker 2: For condoms?

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Speaker 3: Okay, you think it's for condoms. I think it's Champon's mayor.

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Speaker 3: You think it's for a little coins.

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Speaker 1: A man's jeans have it too. All jeans have it, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: And it's like traditional jeans, isn't it like the classic genes.

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Speaker 3: Classic jeans, and they've had it for a long long time.

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Speaker 1: You know it doesn't have it my jeans that are

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Speaker 3: The context mayor was wearing optical illusion jeans last track

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Speaker 3: Soup where they looked like it had a pocket but

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Speaker 3: it didn't, which is the worst kind of jeens. Look,

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Speaker 3: you're all wrong. It is for a pocket watch. Pocket

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Speaker 3: was invented at like the turn of the twentieth century.

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Speaker 3: I think it was Levi's who invented the standard denim jean,

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Speaker 3: because where else are you to put your pocket watch?

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Speaker 3: You've been walking around going where do I put my pocket?

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Speaker 1: Well? Why do you need But you've already got pockets.

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Speaker 1: You've got back pockets on jeans, and you've got front pockets.

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Speaker 1: Why do you need a special pocket watch?

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Speaker 3: You probably at the turn of the twentieth century. I mean,

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Speaker 3: think of all the things that you've got in your pockets.

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Speaker 3: You've got your wallet, You've.

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Speaker 1: Got rocks, break Virginia Wolf.

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Speaker 3: You've got yes. Oh well that's dire for a Friday,

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Speaker 3: very cheery. Also another fun fact, maya, may you please

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Speaker 1: So it has rivets.

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Speaker 3: Do you know why it doesn't have little rivets?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, because it will scratch my watch.

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Speaker 3: No, okay, So people might see on their jeans if

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Speaker 3: either side. But world War two they removed the little

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Speaker 3: bits of metal off your little pocket watch. Pocket to

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Speaker 1: I just feel like this pocket is the appendix of Jens,

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Speaker 2: I want you to now just find things to put

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Speaker 3: Being discriminatory against people who have pocket watches.

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Speaker 4: Swedish death cleaning less fun than Swedish meatballs or Swedish furniture,

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Speaker 4: but arguably more important. An article in The Sydney Morning

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Speaker 4: it again. It was called, hey Boomers, for your kid's sake,

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Speaker 2: What is Swedish death cleaning.

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Speaker 4: Some of you may ask, Well, there's a TV show

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Speaker 4: Part of that Swedish philosophy of clearing your house out

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Speaker 4: Martin says in her story, although it sounds morbid, death

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Speaker 4: cleaning is about a home edit to ensure your stuff

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Speaker 4: series was based on a sensible and surprisingly not so

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Speaker 4: sad book by author Margareta Magnuson, who writes, one shouldn't

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Speaker 4: tough love, MANA Is that what sweetish death cleaning is?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny. My mom's been doing this. She well,

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Speaker 1: not for any particular sake, although she did mention it.

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Speaker 1: She said things like, oh, you don't have to keep

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Speaker 1: because she's certainly not a horder, but she's a chronicler,

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Speaker 1: Like she keeps every newspaper, clipping of every column or

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 3: There's also this hangover. I guess it's a wartime thing,

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Speaker 3: the whole thing where it's gone down generations with my

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Speaker 3: there's this real resistance to having someone come in and

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Speaker 2: And my it's a terrible thing to have to say.

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Speaker 3: My grandfather, who is all through his sort of early nineties,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he just got to the age where he

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Speaker 4: I reckon there's two types of people in this, as

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Speaker 4: there are in lots of things, right. There are people

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Speaker 4: who are preemptively doing it, like your mum, and those

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're like, I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't want my school, but i've them have.

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Speaker 4: It because you know you're going through this deep, wholly

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Speaker 4: then there are people who there's just no way they're

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Speaker 4: I had to move house a lot of times in

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Speaker 4: But I feel very at home and happy with my

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Speaker 4: So until the last moment, I'll do it. So when

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Speaker 4: I think about my parents, for example, who are probably

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Speaker 4: like to declutter, I entirely relate to the idea of

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Speaker 4: going to preempt actively prune. I'm going to live in

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Speaker 4: the exactly how I want to live with my things,

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Speaker 3: Job to whoever has to come and go through your

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Speaker 3: It's also about your own relationship to your mortality. I

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Speaker 3: want to think about that, and that's fair to go.

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Speaker 3: That's not my responsibility. I mean, if my parents cleaned

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Speaker 1: Well that's the irony too, you know, I think most

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Speaker 1: of us. I mean, I'm in my early fifties and

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Speaker 1: I'm sure I've got boxes of stuff at my parents' house.

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Speaker 1: And it's like, at what age my kids who've moved out,

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Speaker 1: I have boxes of their stuff? At what age do

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Speaker 4: Because I'm not proud of this, but I got really

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Speaker 3: I did a bunch of research on how you're actually

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Speaker 2: Do you want to know what the tests I do?

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Speaker 1: Definitely do so, Maricondo of you.

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Speaker 3: Yes, there's a book called Reset Your Home that everyone's

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Speaker 4: Vibes, ideas, atmosphere, something casual, something fun.

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Speaker 1: This is my best recommendation. It's Friday, so we are

435
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Speaker 1: going to help set up your weekend with things to watch, read,

436
00:20:01,821 --> 00:20:05,341
Speaker 1: listen to buy, do Jesse, What is my weekend going

437
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Speaker 1: to involve?

438
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Speaker 3: I've been waiting all year to recommend a booker Prize

439
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Speaker 3: winning March.

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Speaker 2: It's flakesy March.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you know I'm incredibly intimidated by any book that's

442
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Speaker 1: won a prize.

443
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Speaker 3: I usually am two, but this one very thin, not

444
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Speaker 3: very thick.

445
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Speaker 4: Its little, so that I'm virtually signaled by buying it

446
00:20:23,901 --> 00:20:26,302
Speaker 4: for someone for Christmas, and was like, fabulous.

447
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Speaker 5: You know how.

448
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Speaker 2: What's it called.

449
00:20:28,182 --> 00:20:31,422
Speaker 3: It's called Orbital by Samantha Harvey. It won last year's

450
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Speaker 3: book a Prize.

451
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Speaker 1: Didn't Brent fracture his orbital bone? It's the white the

452
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Speaker 1: bone around his eyes. Is it about Brent's accident?

453
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Speaker 3: It's called Brent picked up a plant?

454
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Speaker 1: Does it become a book already? It'd be a movie soon,

455
00:20:43,982 --> 00:20:45,302
Speaker 1: all right? Something in that next week.

456
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Speaker 3: It is similarly to Brent's story. It's about six astronauts

457
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Speaker 3: over twenty four hours who are orbiting the space station,

458
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Speaker 3: so it follows them as they go around the planet.

459
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Speaker 3: And in twenty four hours there are sixteen sunrises and

460
00:21:01,101 --> 00:21:02,981
Speaker 3: sixteen sunsets, Like that's how it works.

461
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Speaker 2: Wow.

462
00:21:03,742 --> 00:21:07,142
Speaker 3: And it is about what they can see, Like they

463
00:21:07,141 --> 00:21:10,302
Speaker 3: can see the northern lights over Antarctica, can see what

464
00:21:10,341 --> 00:21:12,701
Speaker 3: borders they can see, what borders they can't they can

465
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Speaker 3: see a typhoon. Imagine watching astronauts and their vision for

466
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Speaker 3: twenty four hours, Like it has blown my mind. And

467
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Speaker 3: the other thing that makes it so brilliant is that

468
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Speaker 3: it's also like a meditation on the nature of existence

469
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Speaker 3: and God and the meaning of life and our reliance

470
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Speaker 3: on each other. It gives an insight into as an astronaut,

471
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Speaker 3: like what does your day look like? What time do

472
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Speaker 3: you get up? How much exercise do you do? What

473
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Speaker 3: exercise do you do? You get really bad headaches because

474
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Speaker 3: of the no gravity or whatever, so everyone's just got

475
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Speaker 3: a headache the whole time.

476
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Speaker 1: It's hard to take appeal a painkiller when.

477
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Speaker 2: You like swallowing washing down.

478
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Speaker 3: Painkillers or like your heart is has like it takes

479
00:21:53,901 --> 00:21:55,981
Speaker 3: years off your life going into space, and especially I

480
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Speaker 3: think they go into space for about nine months Oh

481
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Speaker 3: my goodness, it has just blown my mind. Like, even

482
00:22:01,141 --> 00:22:03,182
Speaker 3: sitting here right now, I didn't realize this that like

483
00:22:03,422 --> 00:22:06,462
Speaker 3: gravity means that we're exerting some sort of physical pressure,

484
00:22:06,821 --> 00:22:08,702
Speaker 3: but if you're in space and you're just floating around,

485
00:22:08,742 --> 00:22:12,462
Speaker 3: you're literally wasting away. People sometimes get stretchered off, like spaceships,

486
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Speaker 3: because they have any muscles.

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Speaker 2: I hate this book book a novel.

488
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Speaker 3: It's a novel, but it's almost like an essay on space,

489
00:22:21,141 --> 00:22:24,661
Speaker 3: like if you're looking for something super super blotty. It

490
00:22:24,742 --> 00:22:27,141
Speaker 3: is one of those books that will just blow your mind.

491
00:22:27,341 --> 00:22:31,542
Speaker 3: You will largely you're gonna have a panic attack. But

492
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Speaker 3: I absolutely loved it. Orbit All by Samantha Harvey.

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Speaker 4: I'm also flexing in that I watched two clever movies

494
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Speaker 4: on the weekend. I'm going to quickly recommend them both

495
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Speaker 4: because they were both great. It was the Oscars. We've

496
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Speaker 4: talked about it a lot. Yeah, there was a surprise

497
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Speaker 4: who won. But one of the movies that was nominated

498
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Speaker 4: called The Conclave.

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Speaker 1: The Pope is dead, the throng, It's vacant. What happened?

500
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Speaker 4: They say?

501
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Speaker 5: Are at attack?

502
00:23:09,061 --> 00:23:12,022
Speaker 1: You know how our rumor spreads and one and a

503
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Speaker 1: quarter billion souls watching.

504
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Speaker 5: Well done in or Lawrence.

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Speaker 4: It seems the responsibility for the conclave and falls upon you,

506
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Speaker 4: the supervision of the selection of duty.

507
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Speaker 5: I never thought I'd have to.

508
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Speaker 2: Perform for us to quest it. And they must be

509
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Speaker 2: shielded from all news that may influence their judgment.

510
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Speaker 1: You understand.

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Speaker 4: Again, sounds boring, No offense, Jesse to the spacebook, which

512
00:23:38,621 --> 00:23:41,221
Speaker 4: sounds boring, but I'm sure isn't sounds boring because it's

513
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Speaker 4: about choosing a pope, which is kind of a boring idea.

514
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Speaker 4: Maybe I don't know, we might be needing exactly very relevant,

515
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Speaker 4: because I am embarrassed to say that at the grand

516
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Speaker 4: old Age that I am, I had no idea how

517
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Speaker 4: they choose the pope.

518
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Speaker 1: All I remember the last time.

519
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Speaker 4: All I know is about the smoke, right, so I know,

520
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Speaker 4: I know they go into the Vatican, the import they

521
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Speaker 4: all have.

522
00:24:00,982 --> 00:24:04,222
Speaker 1: A lamp and then they take one off the lamp.

523
00:24:04,262 --> 00:24:05,061
Speaker 1: You're off the island.

524
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Speaker 2: It is like that.

525
00:24:06,581 --> 00:24:10,141
Speaker 4: It is like survivor because so the conclave follows this

526
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Speaker 4: process and all the cardinals from around the world, so

527
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Speaker 4: Cardinal from Australia, cardinal from around everyone goes into literal

528
00:24:16,422 --> 00:24:19,422
Speaker 4: isolation and then they just basically it's like politics.

529
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Speaker 2: They have factions. They're all men.

530
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Speaker 4: Of course, they go in there and then they basically

531
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Speaker 4: argue about who's going to be pope until they have

532
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Speaker 4: to stay in there until the vote.

533
00:24:28,742 --> 00:24:29,821
Speaker 2: That gets like Survivors.

534
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Speaker 4: So you write a name on a piece of paper,

535
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Speaker 4: you go up to a little fancy dish, just like

536
00:24:33,861 --> 00:24:38,502
Speaker 4: on Survivor, you tip it into John, a guy reads

537
00:24:38,542 --> 00:24:42,941
Speaker 4: it out, and then they go, Bobby got twenty five votes,

538
00:24:43,422 --> 00:24:45,742
Speaker 4: Frederick got three, anyway, and then.

539
00:24:45,621 --> 00:24:48,141
Speaker 2: Everyone goes, Frederick is the best pope. I can't believe it.

540
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Speaker 2: We've got to get some people over to our side.

541
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Speaker 2: It's like that, except the movie is amazing.

542
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Speaker 4: That's what he Stanley Tucci, John Litho, all the big

543
00:25:02,262 --> 00:25:06,222
Speaker 4: heavy hitter dudes, and also Isabella Roussellini.

544
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, which he was nominated.

545
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Speaker 4: He's got nominated, says she's like this lone almost lone

546
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Speaker 4: female voice in it. She's fantastic in this time. Well,

547
00:25:16,302 --> 00:25:20,101
Speaker 4: there are nuns, you know, you know how Catholicism.

548
00:25:19,462 --> 00:25:21,101
Speaker 1: Works there, but the nuns don't get a vote.

549
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Speaker 2: They don't get a vote. But she is very influential

550
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Speaker 2: in this. It's really good. It sounds a bit.

551
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Speaker 4: It's very classy, but I absolutely loved it. It sounds weird,

552
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Speaker 4: so I was on the edge of my seat. It

553
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Speaker 4: has a twist, twist, a bit silly, but it has

554
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Speaker 4: a really good the way you watched, I watched it

555
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Speaker 4: on I had to rent it on iTunes, you know

556
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Speaker 4: whatever you call that thing. Yeah, Apple TV. I printed it,

557
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Speaker 4: but I'm sure it will come to streaming soon. The

558
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Speaker 4: other one that I watched is on streaming. It's on

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Speaker 4: Disney Plus. It's called Real Pain.

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Speaker 5: We stay moving, we stay light, we stay agile. The

561
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Speaker 5: conductor is going to come through taking tickets. We tell

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Speaker 5: them we're going.

563
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Speaker 1: To the bathroom, bathroom.

564
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Speaker 5: He gets to the back of the train and he's

565
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Speaker 5: gonna start heading for the front looking for stragglers.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, worthy the stragglers.

567
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Speaker 5: You can't. By the time you get to the front

568
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Speaker 5: of the train's going to be in the station and

569
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Speaker 5: we're home for it.

570
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Speaker 2: This is so fucking stupid.

571
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Speaker 5: Tickets are probably like twelve bucks.

572
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Speaker 3: Principal thing.

573
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Speaker 5: We shouldn't have to pay for train tickets. And Poland

574
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Speaker 5: this is our country. No, it's not our country.

575
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Speaker 1: They kicked us out because they thought we were cheap.

576
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Speaker 3: That's the one without heard from succession.

577
00:26:15,182 --> 00:26:19,542
Speaker 4: Kieran Oscar for it, and Jesse Eisenberg, who wrote and

578
00:26:19,621 --> 00:26:24,102
Speaker 4: directed it, was nominated for it. And it is amazing.

579
00:26:24,222 --> 00:26:26,941
Speaker 4: This like it's a small movie. Like a little movie.

580
00:26:26,942 --> 00:26:28,861
Speaker 4: It would have cost a few million dollars to make,

581
00:26:28,942 --> 00:26:31,542
Speaker 4: right not, which is still lots of money and a

582
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Speaker 4: reminder of the absolute beauty of a simple small story

583
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Speaker 4: like that. It follows these two cousins from America, from

584
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Speaker 4: New York who their grandmother has died. She is a

585
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Speaker 4: Jewish woman who is originally from Poland, and she leaves

586
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Speaker 4: her to grandson's money to go to Poland and visit.

587
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Speaker 2: The house that she grows.

588
00:26:51,341 --> 00:26:52,902
Speaker 1: The play cousins, right, their.

589
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Speaker 4: Cousins, and one of them, the Eisenberg character, is a

590
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Speaker 4: very uptight, you know, very together guy. He sells advertising space.

591
00:27:00,262 --> 00:27:02,022
Speaker 4: And the other one, who you won't be surprised to

592
00:27:02,061 --> 00:27:04,061
Speaker 4: hear is Kiaran Culkin is not he.

593
00:27:04,341 --> 00:27:05,022
Speaker 2: Is a holos.

594
00:27:05,462 --> 00:27:07,581
Speaker 4: He is a hot mess with quite a lot of

595
00:27:07,621 --> 00:27:11,542
Speaker 4: skeletons in his closet. They go on a tour to

596
00:27:11,861 --> 00:27:14,742
Speaker 4: go to some of the death camps in Poland. Right

597
00:27:14,821 --> 00:27:18,542
Speaker 4: this sounds obviously, it sounds horrific. The thing that is

598
00:27:18,581 --> 00:27:22,862
Speaker 4: extraordinary about this film is the way they explore something

599
00:27:22,982 --> 00:27:29,222
Speaker 4: so serious with absolute lack of disrespect, with absolute lack

600
00:27:29,422 --> 00:27:32,102
Speaker 4: of cloying melodrama or anything.

601
00:27:32,141 --> 00:27:33,101
Speaker 2: It's just beautiful.

602
00:27:33,101 --> 00:27:34,861
Speaker 4: I can't even express it like it's a movie that

603
00:27:34,861 --> 00:27:37,181
Speaker 4: people should particularly see at the moment, Like it's just

604
00:27:37,422 --> 00:27:40,661
Speaker 4: very nuanced in its explanation of that. But also it

605
00:27:40,742 --> 00:27:42,942
Speaker 4: is funny as hell, which.

606
00:27:42,702 --> 00:27:44,382
Speaker 3: Is not looking forward to that.

607
00:27:44,581 --> 00:27:47,782
Speaker 4: I spend definitely, and it was like spending. I was

608
00:27:47,821 --> 00:27:50,542
Speaker 4: so happy I watched it, and then I thought, look,

609
00:27:50,581 --> 00:27:53,262
Speaker 4: I'm doing research into my co host cultural backgrounds.

610
00:27:53,262 --> 00:27:55,941
Speaker 1: I know about Catholic Catholics and about the Jews.

611
00:27:56,101 --> 00:27:56,542
Speaker 3: Here we go.

612
00:27:56,661 --> 00:27:58,421
Speaker 2: I missed you on the weekends. Can we watch to

613
00:27:58,462 --> 00:27:59,141
Speaker 2: get to hang out?

614
00:27:59,182 --> 00:28:00,422
Speaker 1: British crime drama.

615
00:28:00,222 --> 00:28:03,341
Speaker 4: Something pressing from the North of English Mike Le something

616
00:28:03,381 --> 00:28:03,942
Speaker 4: by Mike Ley.

617
00:28:03,942 --> 00:28:06,341
Speaker 3: That'll be fine. What's your reco.

618
00:28:06,821 --> 00:28:09,221
Speaker 1: Had more than enough highbrow? I'm going to bring it

619
00:28:09,222 --> 00:28:12,661
Speaker 1: back to to earth with a foundation hack that I

620
00:28:12,782 --> 00:28:17,742
Speaker 1: picked up by watching a makeup artist do this on YouTube. Basically,

621
00:28:17,742 --> 00:28:21,381
Speaker 1: as you get older, heavy foundation or even just blanket

622
00:28:21,381 --> 00:28:24,302
Speaker 1: coverage foundation can be very aging, and it can also

623
00:28:24,422 --> 00:28:27,022
Speaker 1: give you a bit of a mask. Look, So what

624
00:28:27,302 --> 00:28:29,581
Speaker 1: we tend to do with our foundation is that we'll

625
00:28:29,621 --> 00:28:31,821
Speaker 1: squirt it or whatever into our hand and then we'll

626
00:28:31,861 --> 00:28:34,341
Speaker 1: rub it all over our face with a brush or

627
00:28:34,341 --> 00:28:38,181
Speaker 1: a sponge or our fingers usually, and that can give you, yeah,

628
00:28:38,262 --> 00:28:41,302
Speaker 1: just this very thick coverage. And partly because of my rosatia,

629
00:28:41,342 --> 00:28:44,502
Speaker 1: which doesn't respond well to thick makeup, and also because

630
00:28:44,502 --> 00:28:47,342
Speaker 1: I want my skin to show through, like I've got pigmentation,

631
00:28:47,462 --> 00:28:50,222
Speaker 1: I've got you know, sunspots, all those things, but I

632
00:28:50,222 --> 00:28:52,181
Speaker 1: actually want that to show through a little bit. So

633
00:28:52,782 --> 00:28:54,782
Speaker 1: the way this works is you get it brush, any

634
00:28:54,822 --> 00:28:56,981
Speaker 1: brush really, and you put a bit of foundation or

635
00:28:57,062 --> 00:28:59,782
Speaker 1: conceala on the back of your hand, but not much,

636
00:29:00,142 --> 00:29:02,261
Speaker 1: and you do what's called stip all the brush, so

637
00:29:02,302 --> 00:29:05,342
Speaker 1: you just like basically press the brush into the foundation

638
00:29:05,702 --> 00:29:08,542
Speaker 1: until all the foundations on the bristles, and then you

639
00:29:08,702 --> 00:29:12,421
Speaker 1: just like paint the areas where you need coverage instead

640
00:29:12,462 --> 00:29:16,022
Speaker 1: of doing all your face, you just literally go for

641
00:29:16,102 --> 00:29:17,142
Speaker 1: the areas that you need coors.

642
00:29:17,182 --> 00:29:18,822
Speaker 3: Then how do you make sure that your face is

643
00:29:18,902 --> 00:29:20,782
Speaker 3: even and that you don't have blotchy like.

644
00:29:21,222 --> 00:29:24,702
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, your foundation should be the same color as

645
00:29:24,702 --> 00:29:26,941
Speaker 1: your skin. So ideally, That's how you tell that it's

646
00:29:27,022 --> 00:29:28,582
Speaker 1: the right shade for you, because when you put it

647
00:29:28,622 --> 00:29:32,382
Speaker 1: on your jawline, it should just disappear. So your foundation

648
00:29:32,422 --> 00:29:34,421
Speaker 1: shouldn't be a different color from the skin underneath. It

649
00:29:34,422 --> 00:29:36,862
Speaker 1: should be as close to that match as possible. You

650
00:29:36,902 --> 00:29:38,902
Speaker 1: can build it up so you can just keep going

651
00:29:38,942 --> 00:29:40,941
Speaker 1: over that area and add a little bit more, or

652
00:29:41,102 --> 00:29:43,102
Speaker 1: if it then is too heavy in some places, you

653
00:29:43,142 --> 00:29:45,862
Speaker 1: can just use your fingers to sort of press it away.

654
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Speaker 1: And I've been doing this on my Insta Bubble videos

655
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Speaker 1: where I put on my makeup and have a chat

656
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Speaker 1: and I'm really enjoying it.

657
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Speaker 3: I always feel like a makeup fast when I use

658
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Speaker 3: a brush.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it takes a bit of discipline, don't you think, maya,

660
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Speaker 4: Because I think your instinct is that's not enough. Since

661
00:29:59,782 --> 00:30:01,981
Speaker 4: you've said it, I've seen this and I try and

662
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Speaker 4: do it, and I'm like, oh, I don't think it's enough.

663
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Speaker 4: And you know how you have some mornings where you

664
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665
00:30:07,502 --> 00:30:10,422
Speaker 4: I just cover up some more, sometimes make it worse. Yes,

666
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Speaker 4: So it's like mind game. You've got to be like no, stop, yes, stop.

667
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good when you're in a really big hurry.

668
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Speaker 3: of the show where we share a little more from

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Speaker 3: our personal lives. Mia, what was your worst of the week.

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Speaker 1: Well, I've taken that brief to heart and I'm going

695
00:31:37,022 --> 00:31:41,142
Speaker 1: to tell you about my heavy period so my work

696
00:31:42,222 --> 00:31:44,782
Speaker 1: for I don't even have ovaries anymore. I don't know

697
00:31:44,822 --> 00:31:48,462
Speaker 1: what to say. I have been experiencing flooding due to

698
00:31:48,542 --> 00:31:51,102
Speaker 1: some I switched up my HRT a bit, and I've

699
00:31:51,142 --> 00:31:53,221
Speaker 1: had a hormonal thing. And what people don't tell you

700
00:31:53,302 --> 00:31:56,182
Speaker 1: is that sometimes after menopause you can still get periods.

701
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Speaker 3: What constitutes flooding.

702
00:31:59,822 --> 00:32:03,702
Speaker 1: As Jesse, Well, imagine what flooding is and then imagine

703
00:32:03,702 --> 00:32:06,622
Speaker 1: it coming out of your vagina. Oh, darling, Yeah, it's

704
00:32:06,661 --> 00:32:08,902
Speaker 1: a lot. And I've forgotten, like I've had a bit

705
00:32:08,902 --> 00:32:10,662
Speaker 1: of spotting over the years, but I had a marina

706
00:32:10,742 --> 00:32:13,382
Speaker 1: for like, I don't know, ten years, so I had

707
00:32:13,382 --> 00:32:16,941
Speaker 1: no periods and then you know, I've been menopausal for

708
00:32:16,982 --> 00:32:19,822
Speaker 1: a bit so and perimenopause. So I originally got the

709
00:32:19,862 --> 00:32:23,102
Speaker 1: marina in because often at the end of your kind

710
00:32:23,142 --> 00:32:26,902
Speaker 1: of menstrual life, you get really really heavy periods, and

711
00:32:26,902 --> 00:32:29,982
Speaker 1: women used to have to have hysterectomies, really big incidents

712
00:32:29,982 --> 00:32:33,462
Speaker 1: of hysterectomies among women in their late forties early fifties.

713
00:32:33,782 --> 00:32:36,222
Speaker 1: And then when the marina, which is an IUD with

714
00:32:36,262 --> 00:32:39,502
Speaker 1: some sort of progesterone attached to it, got invented or

715
00:32:39,542 --> 00:32:44,022
Speaker 1: became available, that saved hundreds of thousands of hysterectomies, so

716
00:32:44,062 --> 00:32:47,342
Speaker 1: women got those so that they didn't experience the heavy bleeding. Anyway,

717
00:32:47,582 --> 00:32:50,021
Speaker 1: I don't have one in anymore. Didn't think I needed it.

718
00:32:50,222 --> 00:32:52,782
Speaker 1: But because of my HRT, which can mimic your body's

719
00:32:52,862 --> 00:32:55,822
Speaker 1: natural hormone levels, sometimes you can get your period. You

720
00:32:55,862 --> 00:32:57,782
Speaker 1: should always get it checked out. I saw my guno

721
00:32:57,862 --> 00:32:59,742
Speaker 1: this week, got it all checked out to make sure

722
00:32:59,822 --> 00:33:03,462
Speaker 1: it was just hormonal imbalanced, which it is. Anyway, I've

723
00:33:03,462 --> 00:33:06,102
Speaker 1: forgotten how to have a heavy period. I haven't used

724
00:33:06,102 --> 00:33:10,062
Speaker 1: a tampon for many years. And not only am I

725
00:33:10,142 --> 00:33:13,622
Speaker 1: using tampons, I'm like got maternity pads. I'm using super tampons.

726
00:33:13,862 --> 00:33:16,102
Speaker 1: I forgot that car me like for a minute, I

727
00:33:16,142 --> 00:33:19,062
Speaker 1: forgot that you couldn't put them down the toilet again.

728
00:33:19,462 --> 00:33:22,662
Speaker 1: I had a couple of accidents there. It's like it's

729
00:33:22,702 --> 00:33:24,822
Speaker 1: like a crime scene. I don't know what to tell you.

730
00:33:24,942 --> 00:33:27,902
Speaker 1: It's hot. I've got no muscle memory.

731
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Speaker 3: Of behalf of the turtles.

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Speaker 1: Please don't I'm not match fit. No, I've stopped doing that.

733
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Speaker 1: I only did that once because I literally forgot, but

734
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Speaker 1: I forgot just it's expensive, it's annoying. I've probably got

735
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Speaker 1: no iron and I'm aniemi.

736
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Speaker 3: I think it's like an OHNs. It's a hazard because

737
00:33:40,462 --> 00:33:42,422
Speaker 3: I think I have a dominant uterus and I think

738
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Speaker 3: that I'm bringing it in here because you said that

739
00:33:44,342 --> 00:33:46,342
Speaker 3: you were flooding and I was like, I just finished,

740
00:33:46,342 --> 00:33:47,941
Speaker 3: and I feel like I'm coming in here giving you

741
00:33:47,982 --> 00:33:48,382
Speaker 3: a period.

742
00:33:48,462 --> 00:33:51,862
Speaker 1: That's true my daughter as well. So I think it's like,

743
00:33:51,982 --> 00:33:55,102
Speaker 1: I just think I've got a very suggestible you do

744
00:33:55,582 --> 00:33:55,902
Speaker 1: you do.

745
00:33:55,942 --> 00:33:59,742
Speaker 3: Have a suggestible uterus. That's a good point. What's your best?

746
00:34:00,302 --> 00:34:03,062
Speaker 1: My best is that I'm teaching my son to drive,

747
00:34:03,102 --> 00:34:04,302
Speaker 1: my youngest son to drive.

748
00:34:04,822 --> 00:34:05,902
Speaker 3: Wow, your best?

749
00:34:06,302 --> 00:34:09,142
Speaker 1: Because you got to now do New South. I was

750
00:34:09,142 --> 00:34:10,542
Speaker 1: you gonna do a hundred and twenty hours with a

751
00:34:10,582 --> 00:34:12,582
Speaker 1: learner driver. This is my third and last child that

752
00:34:12,582 --> 00:34:15,022
Speaker 1: I will be teaching to drive. It's when they start

753
00:34:15,062 --> 00:34:17,542
Speaker 1: to learn to drive that you become aware of the

754
00:34:17,622 --> 00:34:19,381
Speaker 1: fact that you're about to not be able to spend

755
00:34:19,422 --> 00:34:20,901
Speaker 1: time in the car with them. And even though you're

756
00:34:20,942 --> 00:34:23,221
Speaker 1: moan have grown a lot about driving them here and

757
00:34:23,261 --> 00:34:25,382
Speaker 1: driving them out and mum taxi and all that stuff.

758
00:34:25,862 --> 00:34:28,062
Speaker 1: It's actually some of the loveliest times that I spend

759
00:34:28,062 --> 00:34:29,781
Speaker 1: with my kids are in the car. Because you're not

760
00:34:29,822 --> 00:34:32,421
Speaker 1: looking at each other, you can often have really interesting conversations.

761
00:34:32,462 --> 00:34:34,422
Speaker 1: So I've been driving him to school a little bit

762
00:34:34,422 --> 00:34:37,702
Speaker 1: in the morning. Oh, he's been driving and just driving

763
00:34:37,741 --> 00:34:40,582
Speaker 1: around and I just really like, you know, he's sixteen.

764
00:34:40,902 --> 00:34:43,622
Speaker 1: Sixteen year old boys are really interesting. I really like

765
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Speaker 1: the music that he plays, his perspective.

766
00:34:45,701 --> 00:34:46,262
Speaker 2: On the world.

767
00:34:46,701 --> 00:34:48,622
Speaker 1: Well, I just really really like him and it's fun.

768
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Speaker 3: I'm sure he says the same about you.

769
00:34:50,342 --> 00:34:54,582
Speaker 1: He loves his time with him, He loves it. I

770
00:34:54,582 --> 00:34:56,502
Speaker 1: was listing to DOTI the other day and it was

771
00:34:56,542 --> 00:35:00,142
Speaker 1: all quite like and he was like, I'm just going

772
00:35:00,221 --> 00:35:01,142
Speaker 1: to put in mate.

773
00:35:01,701 --> 00:35:04,782
Speaker 4: Matilda is mortified by my enthusiasm for DOCI.

774
00:35:04,982 --> 00:35:07,261
Speaker 2: She just finds it mortifyingly embarrassing.

775
00:35:07,302 --> 00:35:09,742
Speaker 3: It's great, Holly, what was your worst of the way.

776
00:35:09,741 --> 00:35:10,982
Speaker 2: Okay disclaim?

777
00:35:10,701 --> 00:35:13,861
Speaker 4: I know last week I spoke about Brent's injury and

778
00:35:13,902 --> 00:35:17,142
Speaker 4: we all felt very sorry for Brent and his orbital

779
00:35:17,181 --> 00:35:18,381
Speaker 4: bone and his orbital bone?

780
00:35:18,382 --> 00:35:19,741
Speaker 3: Are we bringing him back down to earth?

781
00:35:20,022 --> 00:35:21,782
Speaker 2: I'm going hard, okay.

782
00:35:21,622 --> 00:35:24,142
Speaker 4: Because and I know he's made a lot of appearances

783
00:35:24,142 --> 00:35:27,462
Speaker 4: in this show. Weirdly, my worst this week is actually

784
00:35:27,502 --> 00:35:29,301
Speaker 4: a cry for help from the other people out there

785
00:35:29,302 --> 00:35:32,382
Speaker 4: who have middle aged men in their lives. What the

786
00:35:32,382 --> 00:35:34,902
Speaker 4: fuck are they wearing? That is my worst?

787
00:35:35,062 --> 00:35:35,382
Speaker 3: Brent?

788
00:35:35,822 --> 00:35:39,181
Speaker 4: I love him, That should go unspoken. He's a good guy. Yeah,

789
00:35:39,261 --> 00:35:40,782
Speaker 4: he's recovering from a serious injury.

790
00:35:40,822 --> 00:35:44,221
Speaker 1: Is he just wearing those he dresses doublers camping equipment?

791
00:35:44,302 --> 00:35:47,142
Speaker 2: Well, yes, but it's got worse. His dresses like shit.

792
00:35:47,342 --> 00:35:48,982
Speaker 4: And I say it with affection, but there are many

793
00:35:49,022 --> 00:35:51,301
Speaker 4: middle age men like this if Brent is allowed as in,

794
00:35:51,781 --> 00:35:54,901
Speaker 4: I don't comment. He works at home, right, he works

795
00:35:54,942 --> 00:35:57,941
Speaker 4: at home, and we live somewhere very laid back. The

796
00:35:57,982 --> 00:36:02,222
Speaker 4: man would live in big baggy bodies, a really crappy

797
00:36:02,302 --> 00:36:05,982
Speaker 4: band T shirt from like two thousand and three that's

798
00:36:06,022 --> 00:36:08,582
Speaker 4: like got holes or whatever, and thongs.

799
00:36:08,661 --> 00:36:09,422
Speaker 2: He would live in that.

800
00:36:10,142 --> 00:36:13,062
Speaker 4: And the thing is, again with love, that can look

801
00:36:13,102 --> 00:36:16,661
Speaker 4: hot on a twenty three year old surfer. There are

802
00:36:17,261 --> 00:36:21,701
Speaker 4: not that many middle aged men who look him away. Well,

803
00:36:21,701 --> 00:36:23,982
Speaker 4: this is why it's a cry for help. I think

804
00:36:24,062 --> 00:36:26,701
Speaker 4: that men have it hard because we as we get

805
00:36:26,701 --> 00:36:28,822
Speaker 4: older and we've got a face like how to dress,

806
00:36:28,862 --> 00:36:31,142
Speaker 4: how to change up, how you can't keep wearing always

807
00:36:31,142 --> 00:36:33,342
Speaker 4: what you're wearing when you are twenty. And the guys

808
00:36:33,342 --> 00:36:36,262
Speaker 4: have the same crisis. But it's like they have less

809
00:36:36,382 --> 00:36:40,421
Speaker 4: choice and less information because it's like I can look

810
00:36:40,462 --> 00:36:42,261
Speaker 4: to you, I can look to Lee, I can look

811
00:36:42,302 --> 00:36:43,022
Speaker 4: on the Instagram.

812
00:36:43,062 --> 00:36:46,701
Speaker 2: What are the cool older women wearing? They don't get

813
00:36:46,701 --> 00:36:49,902
Speaker 2: that right. So my cry for help is what the

814
00:36:49,942 --> 00:36:51,381
Speaker 2: hell a middle aged man's supposed to wear?

815
00:36:51,422 --> 00:36:53,942
Speaker 3: You go into uniclo. That's all I do for my

816
00:36:54,102 --> 00:36:56,661
Speaker 3: dad for his birthdays. I go into Unicorn. I also

817
00:36:56,661 --> 00:36:58,822
Speaker 3: buy him shoes because he needs me to buy him shoes,

818
00:36:59,462 --> 00:37:01,942
Speaker 3: and I get him like those shorts that are just

819
00:37:01,982 --> 00:37:03,822
Speaker 3: because he has from the PAULI. It's just a bleach

820
00:37:03,862 --> 00:37:05,502
Speaker 3: all over his clothes. He has a T shirt that

821
00:37:05,582 --> 00:37:07,221
Speaker 3: has a seagull pood on me and it's got fake

822
00:37:07,261 --> 00:37:13,142
Speaker 3: seagar pool. Yeah, myte wow, that gag T shirt exactly.

823
00:37:13,181 --> 00:37:15,741
Speaker 4: And Brent will wear anything that anyone gives him. So

824
00:37:15,822 --> 00:37:17,782
Speaker 4: if someone gives him a gag T shirt or wants

825
00:37:17,781 --> 00:37:18,861
Speaker 4: free or he gets it from.

826
00:37:18,781 --> 00:37:21,022
Speaker 3: My don't get me sad on the free hats. I

827
00:37:21,062 --> 00:37:23,902
Speaker 3: know the free hats. That man, we're just like guys.

828
00:37:23,942 --> 00:37:25,622
Speaker 2: And I keep looking at him and I say, we

829
00:37:25,781 --> 00:37:27,901
Speaker 2: love babe. We haven't given up yet. We haven't given

830
00:37:27,982 --> 00:37:28,421
Speaker 2: up yet.

831
00:37:28,502 --> 00:37:30,221
Speaker 4: So I want the outlouders to tell me what the

832
00:37:30,221 --> 00:37:33,662
Speaker 4: middle aged men wear these days. My best is actually

833
00:37:33,701 --> 00:37:36,462
Speaker 4: a conversation I had on mid this week that is

834
00:37:37,221 --> 00:37:40,982
Speaker 4: so good, right, that everyone has to listen to it.

835
00:37:40,982 --> 00:37:43,862
Speaker 4: It is with this writer, this woman called Caroline Baum.

836
00:37:43,942 --> 00:37:48,301
Speaker 4: She is esteemed writer, speaker, all those things. But she

837
00:37:48,382 --> 00:37:50,381
Speaker 4: wrote an amazing essay which is how I found out

838
00:37:50,462 --> 00:37:53,742
Speaker 4: about this particular story in her life about her elderly

839
00:37:53,822 --> 00:37:58,181
Speaker 4: mother moving in with her and basically it ruins her life. Right,

840
00:37:58,942 --> 00:38:02,062
Speaker 4: I love it and Caroline again with a lot of

841
00:38:02,102 --> 00:38:04,661
Speaker 4: love because she and her mother. And this is why

842
00:38:04,661 --> 00:38:06,582
Speaker 4: it's such an interesting conversation. I think that we tell

843
00:38:06,781 --> 00:38:10,422
Speaker 4: ourselves very simple stories about you know, obviously it's your

844
00:38:10,462 --> 00:38:12,901
Speaker 4: duty to take care of the people who took care

845
00:38:12,942 --> 00:38:15,062
Speaker 4: of you, and you know, that's how you show love

846
00:38:15,142 --> 00:38:17,622
Speaker 4: and all those things. And Caroline has a very strong

847
00:38:17,701 --> 00:38:19,381
Speaker 4: sense of judy and love towards her but she's an

848
00:38:19,382 --> 00:38:23,662
Speaker 4: only child. Her parents complicated people with complicated life stories

849
00:38:23,661 --> 00:38:25,741
Speaker 4: of their own, and their relationships are always complicated. But

850
00:38:25,781 --> 00:38:28,062
Speaker 4: when her father dies, her French mother is like, well,

851
00:38:28,102 --> 00:38:31,461
Speaker 4: I'm moving in with you now, and everything goes wrong

852
00:38:31,542 --> 00:38:34,181
Speaker 4: so much so that they end up going to therapy

853
00:38:34,542 --> 00:38:37,701
Speaker 4: for the first time. Her ninety year old French mother

854
00:38:39,302 --> 00:38:42,142
Speaker 4: is in therapy for the first time because Caroline is like,

855
00:38:42,221 --> 00:38:44,582
Speaker 4: I just need you to even just say please and

856
00:38:44,701 --> 00:38:47,862
Speaker 4: thank you and not like she just talks about it's

857
00:38:47,942 --> 00:38:50,661
Speaker 4: just so interesting. And she says that when she walks

858
00:38:50,661 --> 00:38:53,422
Speaker 4: into the therapist stop her and her mum and she

859
00:38:53,422 --> 00:38:55,661
Speaker 4: sees this young female therapist and she thinks.

860
00:38:56,221 --> 00:38:58,022
Speaker 2: We are so fucked up, we are going to eat

861
00:38:58,062 --> 00:38:58,862
Speaker 2: you for breakfast.

862
00:39:00,382 --> 00:39:03,701
Speaker 1: You are not equipped level of dysfunction.

863
00:39:03,862 --> 00:39:06,701
Speaker 4: And what happens next is amazing. And it sounds like

864
00:39:06,822 --> 00:39:09,341
Speaker 4: a very specific story and it is, but she's such

865
00:39:09,342 --> 00:39:12,102
Speaker 4: a beautiful storyteller. I think it speaks a lot of

866
00:39:12,181 --> 00:39:13,861
Speaker 4: truths about people who are in that part of their

867
00:39:13,902 --> 00:39:17,661
Speaker 4: life where they are caring for older parents. And yes

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00:39:17,701 --> 00:39:20,462
Speaker 4: it's a privilege, Yes it's a joy, but it is

869
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Speaker 4: also very hard.

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Speaker 3: Particularly you're not meant to say about it.

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00:39:24,422 --> 00:39:28,022
Speaker 4: And particularly if those relationships were always complicated. It's not

872
00:39:28,181 --> 00:39:32,222
Speaker 4: like every older lady is suddenly this sweet little granny.

873
00:39:32,261 --> 00:39:34,741
Speaker 4: He just wants to like bit and be pliable and

874
00:39:34,741 --> 00:39:35,302
Speaker 4: bake cakes.

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00:39:35,302 --> 00:39:37,622
Speaker 2: It's not like that. It's one of the best conversations

876
00:39:37,661 --> 00:39:38,942
Speaker 2: I've ever had on mid I love it, and I

877
00:39:39,582 --> 00:39:40,502
Speaker 2: want you all to listen.

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00:39:40,982 --> 00:39:44,261
Speaker 3: My worst is look one of those weeks where I've

879
00:39:44,261 --> 00:39:46,381
Speaker 3: bitten off more than I can true. It's just it's

880
00:39:46,382 --> 00:39:48,062
Speaker 3: a very funny week. I'm sure I'll talk about it

881
00:39:48,181 --> 00:39:51,862
Speaker 3: more in the coming weeks, but spending that time away

882
00:39:51,862 --> 00:39:54,982
Speaker 3: from Luna. I can deal with a night away. I

883
00:39:55,022 --> 00:39:57,582
Speaker 3: have a night interstate this week. But then when it's

884
00:39:57,902 --> 00:39:59,942
Speaker 3: you know, multiple work things on top of that, and

885
00:39:59,942 --> 00:40:01,542
Speaker 3: you look at the week as a whole, and you're

886
00:40:01,542 --> 00:40:03,421
Speaker 3: trying to work out when you've got pockets of her.

887
00:40:04,221 --> 00:40:07,102
Speaker 3: And last night I got home from work and then

888
00:40:07,142 --> 00:40:09,982
Speaker 3: I had to jump back out and her uage has

889
00:40:10,062 --> 00:40:12,062
Speaker 3: just exploded and she was just like mummy, and she

890
00:40:12,142 --> 00:40:14,062
Speaker 3: ran over to my leg and just clutched it. Oh

891
00:40:14,661 --> 00:40:16,741
Speaker 3: and this morning when I went to work, she was

892
00:40:16,781 --> 00:40:18,661
Speaker 3: sitting there and I was explaining to her what she

893
00:40:18,701 --> 00:40:20,502
Speaker 3: was doing today and who was coming to look after her,

894
00:40:20,582 --> 00:40:23,421
Speaker 3: and she said, mummy all day, Mummy all day. Oh

895
00:40:24,862 --> 00:40:28,261
Speaker 3: you welcome to the long meal, and like it's the

896
00:40:28,302 --> 00:40:30,701
Speaker 3: mum guilt. But what I didn't expect was looking at

897
00:40:30,701 --> 00:40:33,422
Speaker 3: her and going, mummy wants to be yeah exactly, Like

898
00:40:33,542 --> 00:40:37,982
Speaker 3: that's exactly. I feel as though I made it. Yeah

899
00:40:38,022 --> 00:40:40,421
Speaker 3: that it's like I feel like grabbing onto your leg

900
00:40:40,741 --> 00:40:42,261
Speaker 3: and going, I don't want to go out.

901
00:40:42,542 --> 00:40:44,301
Speaker 4: I wish she consider. I used to say, I wish

902
00:40:44,342 --> 00:40:45,782
Speaker 4: you could come and sit under my desk.

903
00:40:46,062 --> 00:40:49,022
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And so I feel as I'm like

904
00:40:49,022 --> 00:40:50,821
Speaker 3: a phone that's running out of battery. And when I

905
00:40:50,862 --> 00:40:54,342
Speaker 3: spend time with her, like if it's a quiet morning

906
00:40:54,661 --> 00:40:56,582
Speaker 3: or you know, putting out a bed or whatever, I

907
00:40:56,661 --> 00:40:59,661
Speaker 3: just I literally feel recharged, Like I can feel my

908
00:40:59,661 --> 00:41:02,142
Speaker 3: battery going up. So I've got that this weekend. But

909
00:41:02,181 --> 00:41:04,862
Speaker 3: it's just a reminder you have those weeks and you're like, yeah,

910
00:41:04,862 --> 00:41:07,982
Speaker 3: this is not good. My best was I did a

911
00:41:08,022 --> 00:41:12,022
Speaker 3: siblings dinner over the weekend. We've committed to the four

912
00:41:12,062 --> 00:41:15,822
Speaker 3: of us go out, no mum and dad, no babies,

913
00:41:15,942 --> 00:41:17,701
Speaker 3: no partners, and just hang out the four of us.

914
00:41:17,741 --> 00:41:21,381
Speaker 3: And it's just so interesting how the dynamic changes when

915
00:41:21,422 --> 00:41:23,622
Speaker 3: you don't have other people around and you can talk

916
00:41:23,661 --> 00:41:26,741
Speaker 3: about different things, and I just love my brothers are

917
00:41:26,741 --> 00:41:28,901
Speaker 3: the best company. And we kept putting it off and

918
00:41:28,902 --> 00:41:31,221
Speaker 3: off and off, but I highly recommend it if you've

919
00:41:31,261 --> 00:41:34,462
Speaker 3: got siblings. It is a very very different dynamic with

920
00:41:34,502 --> 00:41:35,341
Speaker 3: our parents in the room.

921
00:41:35,422 --> 00:41:36,982
Speaker 2: Do you do it once a month or so?

922
00:41:37,062 --> 00:41:40,701
Speaker 3: We're trying to. We're trying to, yeah, because we'll go

923
00:41:40,741 --> 00:41:43,181
Speaker 3: over and visit and you know, with mum and dad

924
00:41:43,221 --> 00:41:46,261
Speaker 3: and everything around, but you know, the dynamics hit and

925
00:41:46,542 --> 00:41:48,862
Speaker 3: some people can be overbearing and then someone else gets quiet,

926
00:41:48,942 --> 00:41:51,502
Speaker 3: and then someone else leaves a room and all of that.

927
00:41:51,741 --> 00:41:54,661
Speaker 3: So this is refreshing and we get to invent a

928
00:41:54,701 --> 00:41:57,502
Speaker 3: new dynamic where we get to know it, like properly

929
00:41:57,542 --> 00:41:59,262
Speaker 3: know each other. So that's been really nice.

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00:41:59,741 --> 00:42:00,661
Speaker 2: That was glorious.

931
00:42:00,862 --> 00:42:02,981
Speaker 4: Thank you out loud As for being with us all week.

932
00:42:03,022 --> 00:42:05,462
Speaker 4: We have loved being in your ears as we always do.

933
00:42:05,502 --> 00:42:06,901
Speaker 4: We're going to be back in your ears next week

934
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Speaker 4: of course. Jesse and mea read it out today.

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Speaker 3: Thank you to our team group executive producer Ruth Devine.

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Speaker 1: Executive producer Emeline Gazillis, our audio producer is Leah porge'es.

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00:42:17,781 --> 00:42:21,022
Speaker 1: Our video producer is Josh Green, and our junior content

938
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Speaker 1: producers are Coco and Tessa.

939
00:42:23,582 --> 00:42:27,821
Speaker 3: Bye Bye Bye out loud as. We know you're not

940
00:42:27,862 --> 00:42:29,901
Speaker 3: ready to say goodbye, so we thought we would leave

941
00:42:29,942 --> 00:42:35,542
Speaker 3: you with a let Well if you stay here because

942
00:42:35,582 --> 00:42:37,062
Speaker 3: you can't get to your phoneus on the other side,

943
00:42:37,382 --> 00:42:39,701
Speaker 3: listening to case File, we had a conversation on a

944
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Speaker 3: subscriber episode all about severance. Look to be clear, you

945
00:42:44,261 --> 00:42:45,661
Speaker 3: do not need to be up to date. You don't

946
00:42:45,701 --> 00:42:47,741
Speaker 3: even need to be at season two. It is more

947
00:42:47,781 --> 00:42:51,382
Speaker 3: about the concept of the show. We will pop a

948
00:42:51,422 --> 00:42:52,942
Speaker 3: link in the show notes for you listen.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to any Mum and Maya subscribers listening. If

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00:42:57,102 --> 00:42:59,702
Speaker 1: you love the show and want to support us as well,

951
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