1 00:00:10,745 --> 00:00:13,425 Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 2 00:00:13,945 --> 00:00:17,465 Speaker 2: Mama Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 3 00:00:17,505 --> 00:00:19,305 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:20,585 --> 00:00:22,105 Speaker 3: Makeup is My Therapy. 5 00:00:22,305 --> 00:00:25,345 Speaker 4: I'm in love, I'm obsessed, and I don't even feel 6 00:00:25,385 --> 00:00:26,065 Speaker 4: guilty aboud it. 7 00:00:29,345 --> 00:00:32,345 Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to you Beauty the daily podcast for 8 00:00:32,385 --> 00:00:36,505 Speaker 2: your Face. This is the formula. Oh my goodness, it's 9 00:00:36,505 --> 00:00:37,345 Speaker 2: a bloody. 10 00:00:36,985 --> 00:00:39,265 Speaker 1: Good show, if I do say so myself, because it is. 11 00:00:39,225 --> 00:00:41,265 Speaker 2: The show where we get to get up close and 12 00:00:41,305 --> 00:00:45,145 Speaker 2: personal with the biggest names in skincare and beauty, and 13 00:00:45,385 --> 00:00:48,825 Speaker 2: everyone is going to recognize today's name. We're going to 14 00:00:48,905 --> 00:00:51,665 Speaker 2: take a little sneak peek through his bathroom cabinet to 15 00:00:51,705 --> 00:00:52,905 Speaker 2: see what's hot and what's not. 16 00:00:53,265 --> 00:00:54,945 Speaker 1: Oh and by the way, I'm Killy McCarron. 17 00:00:54,945 --> 00:00:57,705 Speaker 2: But I'm just very excited because today I'm sitting down 18 00:00:58,025 --> 00:01:03,865 Speaker 2: with nothing short of Skincare Royalty. Now, I want to 19 00:01:03,865 --> 00:01:07,465 Speaker 2: paint a little bit of a picture, because today's founder 20 00:01:07,585 --> 00:01:10,785 Speaker 2: story involves quite the tale. Imagine you're on a first 21 00:01:10,865 --> 00:01:14,665 Speaker 2: date talking about moisturizers sounds like a fantastic first date, 22 00:01:15,345 --> 00:01:20,465 Speaker 2: and realizing you could revolutionize an entire industry. That's exactly 23 00:01:20,505 --> 00:01:23,665 Speaker 2: what happened twenty five years ago when today's guest examined 24 00:01:23,665 --> 00:01:26,265 Speaker 2: his future wife's skincare products and thought, I can do 25 00:01:26,345 --> 00:01:29,065 Speaker 2: way better than this, and somehow she didn't, I don't know, 26 00:01:29,145 --> 00:01:32,225 Speaker 2: throw them at him and just walk off. Doctor Dennis 27 00:01:32,265 --> 00:01:35,665 Speaker 2: Gross is not just a practicing dermatologist with over twenty 28 00:01:35,665 --> 00:01:38,745 Speaker 2: five years of experience and a background in skin cancer research. 29 00:01:39,185 --> 00:01:43,545 Speaker 2: He's the pioneer who brought clinical, active skincare into our 30 00:01:43,585 --> 00:01:47,105 Speaker 2: bathroom cabinets, where most products were just as he puts it, 31 00:01:47,705 --> 00:01:51,545 Speaker 2: fancy hydrators with no real anti aging benefits. If you've 32 00:01:51,625 --> 00:01:54,385 Speaker 2: ever used an at home peel pad, you can thank 33 00:01:54,425 --> 00:01:58,465 Speaker 2: doctor Gross for that innovation because his alphabetter daily peals 34 00:01:58,745 --> 00:02:02,665 Speaker 2: launched in two thousand and changed the game, proving you 35 00:02:02,745 --> 00:02:06,185 Speaker 2: really could get professional results without stepping foot into a clinic. 36 00:02:07,105 --> 00:02:10,665 Speaker 2: Ubies loved these products so much that the actually nominated 37 00:02:10,705 --> 00:02:12,465 Speaker 2: them and the You Beauty Awards this year. 38 00:02:12,545 --> 00:02:14,465 Speaker 1: I do know that the ubis love them. 39 00:02:14,905 --> 00:02:19,185 Speaker 2: Today, we're diving deep into the science of skincare, discussing 40 00:02:19,185 --> 00:02:23,545 Speaker 2: why active ingredients matter, how his groundbreaking formulations work, and 41 00:02:23,985 --> 00:02:26,745 Speaker 2: what the future holds for the industry he helped create. 42 00:02:27,145 --> 00:02:30,425 Speaker 2: This is doctor Dennis gross for you. Beauty's the formula. 43 00:02:30,945 --> 00:02:32,865 Speaker 3: You are such beautiful skill. 44 00:02:33,025 --> 00:02:39,745 Speaker 1: But how congratulations, thank you very much. 45 00:02:39,825 --> 00:02:44,025 Speaker 2: It is such a huge and exciting milestone twenty five years. 46 00:02:44,305 --> 00:02:47,825 Speaker 2: What do you think has enabled your products to stand 47 00:02:47,945 --> 00:02:48,905 Speaker 2: the test of time. 48 00:02:49,225 --> 00:02:51,825 Speaker 3: The number one thing is results. The key thing is 49 00:02:51,865 --> 00:02:54,265 Speaker 3: to be able to have the science and the chemistry 50 00:02:54,305 --> 00:02:58,265 Speaker 3: and the formulaic concepts to make those results for people, 51 00:02:58,345 --> 00:03:01,065 Speaker 3: and that has kept us thrashing the eyes of the public. 52 00:03:01,305 --> 00:03:03,345 Speaker 3: And that's what I'm most happy and proud of it. 53 00:03:03,625 --> 00:03:06,785 Speaker 2: I'd like to start today talking about a different type 54 00:03:06,785 --> 00:03:10,305 Speaker 2: of chemistry, if you will. So your skin care journey 55 00:03:10,465 --> 00:03:12,265 Speaker 2: began during a first date. 56 00:03:12,625 --> 00:03:15,825 Speaker 3: Right, definitely different chemistry there. So my wife and I 57 00:03:15,985 --> 00:03:19,185 Speaker 3: created this company together. We're co founders and basically, as 58 00:03:19,225 --> 00:03:22,945 Speaker 3: she puts it, consumer meat scientists. On our first date, 59 00:03:22,985 --> 00:03:25,545 Speaker 3: we literally went into the store and looked at labels 60 00:03:25,665 --> 00:03:28,345 Speaker 3: of moisturizers and she would just say, is this good? 61 00:03:28,505 --> 00:03:30,585 Speaker 3: Is this good? Is this good? And that was a 62 00:03:30,625 --> 00:03:31,985 Speaker 3: while ago, there was nothing. 63 00:03:32,145 --> 00:03:35,585 Speaker 4: So it was an inspiration for me to feel like 64 00:03:35,625 --> 00:03:38,665 Speaker 4: there was such an area that we could make a difference, 65 00:03:38,865 --> 00:03:42,625 Speaker 4: and that was my opening into the scene of skincare. 66 00:03:42,425 --> 00:03:43,865 Speaker 1: And that was your first date. 67 00:03:44,145 --> 00:03:44,985 Speaker 3: That was our first date. 68 00:03:45,145 --> 00:03:46,345 Speaker 1: That's incredible. 69 00:03:46,665 --> 00:03:49,065 Speaker 3: So we were engaged for nine months, got married. We 70 00:03:49,145 --> 00:03:51,905 Speaker 3: then had four kids in the next six years. 71 00:03:52,105 --> 00:03:52,705 Speaker 1: Oh wow. 72 00:03:52,745 --> 00:03:55,665 Speaker 2: And how many product babies over that twenty five years? 73 00:03:55,905 --> 00:03:57,905 Speaker 3: Many many product babies. 74 00:03:57,785 --> 00:03:59,345 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can imagine. 75 00:03:59,385 --> 00:04:03,145 Speaker 2: But the alpha better appeal is your signature product. Was 76 00:04:03,145 --> 00:04:05,665 Speaker 2: that the first ever product that you launched? 77 00:04:05,865 --> 00:04:08,505 Speaker 3: It was that was a key thing. You know. My 78 00:04:08,585 --> 00:04:11,065 Speaker 3: whole idea was if I was going to make difference 79 00:04:11,105 --> 00:04:14,265 Speaker 3: in creating results for people, I had to bring the 80 00:04:14,265 --> 00:04:16,745 Speaker 3: clinic into their home. You know. I had to get 81 00:04:16,785 --> 00:04:21,865 Speaker 3: that level of professional know how and formula into their 82 00:04:21,865 --> 00:04:23,945 Speaker 3: hands to see that kind of difference. At the time, 83 00:04:24,505 --> 00:04:27,585 Speaker 3: peels were available, but they were all very very harsh, 84 00:04:27,705 --> 00:04:30,065 Speaker 3: you know, and you have to get red skin and 85 00:04:30,465 --> 00:04:34,705 Speaker 3: recovery time and oozing skin. And I proved the opposite's true. 86 00:04:35,025 --> 00:04:37,425 Speaker 3: You know. The key thing was it took two steps, 87 00:04:37,505 --> 00:04:40,465 Speaker 3: just like what dermacholds have done. I created an at 88 00:04:40,465 --> 00:04:44,065 Speaker 3: home two step pel which was simulating exactly what dermatologists 89 00:04:44,105 --> 00:04:47,185 Speaker 3: have done for decades, which is introduced a first step 90 00:04:47,185 --> 00:04:50,665 Speaker 3: of acids and there the combination of acids was very 91 00:04:50,745 --> 00:04:53,905 Speaker 3: very important part of how it works. It's five different 92 00:04:53,945 --> 00:04:57,825 Speaker 3: acids for one of the variety's original form, and you know, 93 00:04:57,905 --> 00:05:00,865 Speaker 3: five acids at lower concentrations, adding up to a significant 94 00:05:00,945 --> 00:05:04,985 Speaker 3: number is not only more effective, it's also much less 95 00:05:05,025 --> 00:05:07,185 Speaker 3: irritating to the skin. Done it that way. So that 96 00:05:07,225 --> 00:05:10,025 Speaker 3: was step one. Two is a neutralizer chut small and 97 00:05:10,105 --> 00:05:13,945 Speaker 3: brings a whole host of other anti aging and beautifying 98 00:05:14,145 --> 00:05:18,465 Speaker 3: and antioxidants and vitamins and ingredients that really the skin 99 00:05:18,545 --> 00:05:21,185 Speaker 3: then needs when refreshed with the first step. 100 00:05:21,345 --> 00:05:24,185 Speaker 2: They are fantastic for anyone that hasn't tried them before. 101 00:05:24,425 --> 00:05:27,705 Speaker 2: They are so good. They come in the orange box, 102 00:05:27,705 --> 00:05:29,505 Speaker 2: and then the retinal ones in the red box. 103 00:05:29,745 --> 00:05:32,265 Speaker 3: Yes right, the athlete a peel comes and are available 104 00:05:32,305 --> 00:05:34,665 Speaker 3: for people of all different skin types. That was another 105 00:05:34,745 --> 00:05:37,585 Speaker 3: key thing exactly. You have to understand that, Yeah, I 106 00:05:37,585 --> 00:05:39,185 Speaker 3: had to formulate it, but then I also had to 107 00:05:39,225 --> 00:05:41,945 Speaker 3: customize it for the person's skin type, which then becomes 108 00:05:41,945 --> 00:05:44,745 Speaker 3: a great match and then no irritation and great results. 109 00:05:44,785 --> 00:05:48,705 Speaker 3: And so there's actually three different strengths here in Australia. 110 00:05:48,825 --> 00:05:52,225 Speaker 3: There's the ultra gentle people with senseitt of skin, and 111 00:05:52,265 --> 00:05:54,625 Speaker 3: then there's the universal, which is the orange when you're 112 00:05:54,625 --> 00:05:57,065 Speaker 3: referring to, which is people who don't have sense of 113 00:05:57,105 --> 00:05:58,905 Speaker 3: it skin the one thing they all do. The reason 114 00:05:58,985 --> 00:06:01,745 Speaker 3: people love that product and the reason I launched is 115 00:06:01,745 --> 00:06:05,545 Speaker 3: because there's no one product that does so many different 116 00:06:05,625 --> 00:06:08,585 Speaker 3: things like Appeal can do for you done right, keeping 117 00:06:08,625 --> 00:06:11,385 Speaker 3: the skin and balance. You know, it helps with fine 118 00:06:11,385 --> 00:06:14,785 Speaker 3: lines and wrinkles, it helps with hyper pigmentation. It gives 119 00:06:14,865 --> 00:06:19,305 Speaker 3: us skin and immediate radiance, complexion problems, textra problems. That's 120 00:06:19,305 --> 00:06:22,385 Speaker 3: why dermatilisers have done peels for all those problems. And 121 00:06:22,425 --> 00:06:24,745 Speaker 3: now people can use the peelmates and they love it. 122 00:06:24,785 --> 00:06:27,065 Speaker 3: And the reason it's with my first product and to 123 00:06:27,105 --> 00:06:30,185 Speaker 3: this day our signature product. You know, we now have 124 00:06:30,225 --> 00:06:33,425 Speaker 3: the dinfusions and the LED mask and a bunch of others, 125 00:06:33,465 --> 00:06:35,985 Speaker 3: but this is still our anchor. 126 00:06:36,345 --> 00:06:40,825 Speaker 2: I think that it has made skincare and those dermatology 127 00:06:41,105 --> 00:06:44,825 Speaker 2: results so much more accessible for people that maybe can't 128 00:06:44,825 --> 00:06:46,865 Speaker 2: afford to go in salon a lot, or just don't 129 00:06:46,945 --> 00:06:48,145 Speaker 2: also have the time. 130 00:06:48,225 --> 00:06:51,985 Speaker 3: Right and also people nowadays, you know, there's a changing 131 00:06:52,065 --> 00:06:54,705 Speaker 3: tide and I think people do want results and people 132 00:06:55,305 --> 00:06:58,385 Speaker 3: want education. In Australia and the United States, I think 133 00:06:58,425 --> 00:07:02,465 Speaker 3: the consumer is smarter and we have to really work 134 00:07:02,705 --> 00:07:03,745 Speaker 3: with their intelligence. 135 00:07:03,985 --> 00:07:06,225 Speaker 2: Okay, so if you're looking back over the past twenty 136 00:07:06,265 --> 00:07:09,745 Speaker 2: five years, I was going to ask you about what 137 00:07:09,985 --> 00:07:13,665 Speaker 2: significant breakthrough you've seen in ingredients or technology. 138 00:07:14,065 --> 00:07:17,145 Speaker 3: There are certain new innovations that are so exciting that 139 00:07:17,865 --> 00:07:21,585 Speaker 3: are responsible for the great results for our newer products 140 00:07:22,065 --> 00:07:25,705 Speaker 3: as well. That is what keeps us fresh after twenty 141 00:07:25,745 --> 00:07:29,985 Speaker 3: five years. So for example, we have a new franchise 142 00:07:30,025 --> 00:07:32,425 Speaker 3: that's called the German Fusions. I have one right here. 143 00:07:32,465 --> 00:07:34,265 Speaker 3: It looks like the gold Boble like that. 144 00:07:34,225 --> 00:07:35,745 Speaker 1: Well, it looks very fancy. 145 00:07:35,985 --> 00:07:38,505 Speaker 3: This is the German Fusions and this is the one 146 00:07:38,545 --> 00:07:42,625 Speaker 3: that has hyeronic acid and peptides and it is an 147 00:07:42,705 --> 00:07:48,905 Speaker 3: incredible combination to get anti aging benefits from, hydration benefits 148 00:07:48,945 --> 00:07:52,105 Speaker 3: from and it's a fantastic way to prep your makeup. 149 00:07:52,465 --> 00:07:55,625 Speaker 3: So we are really excited about the technology and the 150 00:07:55,665 --> 00:07:57,145 Speaker 3: results have been fantastic. 151 00:07:57,825 --> 00:08:01,265 Speaker 2: And just for those playing along at home who might 152 00:08:01,305 --> 00:08:05,505 Speaker 2: not understand how different skincare ingredients work. So you know, 153 00:08:05,545 --> 00:08:09,825 Speaker 2: you've got these fantastic clinical grade skincare products that do 154 00:08:09,945 --> 00:08:15,585 Speaker 2: incredible things, but how do active ingredients actually change your 155 00:08:15,585 --> 00:08:18,985 Speaker 2: skin on a cellular level? Like with aging, with pigmentation 156 00:08:19,105 --> 00:08:20,305 Speaker 2: with all of those things. 157 00:08:20,225 --> 00:08:24,465 Speaker 3: Right, right, Aging issues are all about collagen. Collagen is 158 00:08:24,505 --> 00:08:26,225 Speaker 3: that protein and skin the. 159 00:08:26,225 --> 00:08:30,465 Speaker 2: Thing that babies have in abundance, and they don't really. 160 00:08:30,185 --> 00:08:32,385 Speaker 1: Deserve to have as much as they do. They don't 161 00:08:32,385 --> 00:08:33,185 Speaker 1: approachate it. 162 00:08:33,465 --> 00:08:36,305 Speaker 3: And then the adult let's get more of those baby molecules. 163 00:08:36,425 --> 00:08:37,265 Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. 164 00:08:38,145 --> 00:08:41,585 Speaker 3: That's the amazing thing is that you can get more collagen. 165 00:08:41,625 --> 00:08:43,465 Speaker 3: But you have to understand there's certain ways that are 166 00:08:43,625 --> 00:08:46,065 Speaker 3: right and wrong. You cannot put collagen on your skin 167 00:08:46,105 --> 00:08:48,545 Speaker 3: and expect it to get into your skin as a product. 168 00:08:48,665 --> 00:08:52,705 Speaker 3: Right number one, Number two, the ingestion of collagen. Collagen 169 00:08:52,785 --> 00:08:54,665 Speaker 3: is a protein. When you ingest it, it goes into 170 00:08:54,705 --> 00:08:57,945 Speaker 3: your stomach with the pH of one point five. It's 171 00:08:57,985 --> 00:09:00,345 Speaker 3: broken down to amino acids, which is no longer the 172 00:09:00,385 --> 00:09:03,625 Speaker 3: protein that is collagen. So the good news is you 173 00:09:03,625 --> 00:09:06,385 Speaker 3: can get more collagen the cells in your skin that 174 00:09:06,585 --> 00:09:08,825 Speaker 3: as we age get a little bit lazy. There are 175 00:09:09,025 --> 00:09:11,545 Speaker 3: ingredients that can and have it stimulate the production of 176 00:09:11,585 --> 00:09:14,585 Speaker 3: your own college and buy your own skin cells, and 177 00:09:14,705 --> 00:09:17,785 Speaker 3: that's the opportunity. There are really incredible things you can do. 178 00:09:17,865 --> 00:09:21,625 Speaker 3: The red light in LED is something that does stimulate collagen, 179 00:09:21,865 --> 00:09:23,705 Speaker 3: and in my phase where a pro you get that 180 00:09:23,745 --> 00:09:27,145 Speaker 3: in three minutes daily, the receptors are saturated. And then 181 00:09:27,185 --> 00:09:29,705 Speaker 3: you have other ingredients that are known to also help 182 00:09:29,785 --> 00:09:32,985 Speaker 3: increase your collagen. And retinol does it, vitamin C does 183 00:09:33,025 --> 00:09:37,145 Speaker 3: it help them, Beta appeels do it. And then you 184 00:09:37,265 --> 00:09:40,785 Speaker 3: have peptides that do it. So as long as, in 185 00:09:40,785 --> 00:09:45,465 Speaker 3: my opinion, you get your share of one of these 186 00:09:45,825 --> 00:09:50,465 Speaker 3: ingredients in your routine, then you are starting to pave 187 00:09:50,545 --> 00:09:53,785 Speaker 3: the way towards collagen. Now, the truth of the matter is, 188 00:09:53,945 --> 00:09:57,905 Speaker 3: I think vitamin C itself, there's some duws and don'ts. 189 00:09:57,905 --> 00:10:00,185 Speaker 3: With retinol, I think there are some dus and don'ts. 190 00:10:00,545 --> 00:10:02,225 Speaker 3: We're living in a world where a lot of people think, 191 00:10:02,265 --> 00:10:04,985 Speaker 3: oh more is better, and as it's absolutely incorrect. Now 192 00:10:05,025 --> 00:10:06,745 Speaker 3: the better way to go is use of the perfect 193 00:10:06,785 --> 00:10:09,825 Speaker 3: dose of retinol and combine it with other ingredients or 194 00:10:09,825 --> 00:10:12,385 Speaker 3: what it's called retinol like that do things like increased 195 00:10:12,425 --> 00:10:17,505 Speaker 3: cell turnover. That's the rejuvenation. Retinol helps rejuvenation beautifully. You know, 196 00:10:17,905 --> 00:10:21,225 Speaker 3: vitamin C great ingredient beautiful. I call it a gift 197 00:10:21,345 --> 00:10:24,545 Speaker 3: because it's an antioxidant by the way, and retinol is not, 198 00:10:24,865 --> 00:10:26,905 Speaker 3: you know, and that means it fights the free radicals 199 00:10:26,905 --> 00:10:29,145 Speaker 3: that are acculating in people's skin the year and that 200 00:10:29,345 --> 00:10:32,905 Speaker 3: year out. And so vitamin C I find combined with 201 00:10:32,945 --> 00:10:36,985 Speaker 3: things like lactic acid is a brilliant combo because lactic 202 00:10:37,025 --> 00:10:43,145 Speaker 3: acid doesn't think very important. Its number one stimulates your 203 00:10:43,305 --> 00:10:45,945 Speaker 3: skin to produce serumide, and cerumide is the building block 204 00:10:45,985 --> 00:10:48,825 Speaker 3: of your own moisture barrier. So it's giving your skin 205 00:10:48,865 --> 00:10:52,625 Speaker 3: the power to keep its moisture barrier intact. And vitamin 206 00:10:52,705 --> 00:10:57,065 Speaker 3: C is not irritating that way. Plus, amazingly, this lactic acid, 207 00:10:57,105 --> 00:10:59,585 Speaker 3: which you know is one of I think the most 208 00:10:59,585 --> 00:11:03,105 Speaker 3: special acids because it's the gentlest, is great to do 209 00:11:03,105 --> 00:11:06,305 Speaker 3: a little foliation to the vitamin C just percolate quicker 210 00:11:06,345 --> 00:11:09,305 Speaker 3: through the skin without raising the concentration to a point 211 00:11:09,345 --> 00:11:11,745 Speaker 3: that can irritating. So it helps a little go a 212 00:11:11,785 --> 00:11:14,465 Speaker 3: long way. Yeah, so we can talk forever about it. 213 00:11:14,665 --> 00:11:18,265 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I know that this will be like asking 214 00:11:18,305 --> 00:11:23,025 Speaker 2: you to choose a favorite child potentially, but after twenty 215 00:11:23,065 --> 00:11:28,225 Speaker 2: five years of formulating products, what is your personal non 216 00:11:28,225 --> 00:11:31,225 Speaker 2: negotiable skincare step that you would never skip? 217 00:11:31,625 --> 00:11:35,865 Speaker 3: Alphabet A pill? Yeah, is the way. It's just the multitasker, 218 00:11:36,105 --> 00:11:38,905 Speaker 3: and one can use it morning or night. My wife 219 00:11:38,985 --> 00:11:41,225 Speaker 3: loves it in the morning because it just gives her 220 00:11:41,225 --> 00:11:43,385 Speaker 3: a fresh layer of skin and then her makeup just 221 00:11:43,425 --> 00:11:45,945 Speaker 3: goes out more beautifully. Right afterwards. You know, there's something 222 00:11:45,985 --> 00:11:49,345 Speaker 3: called plumping, you know, which is a sister to firming. 223 00:11:49,545 --> 00:11:53,625 Speaker 3: So here's what plumping is. Plumping actually works on what 224 00:11:53,705 --> 00:11:56,945 Speaker 3: I like to call the crinkle before the wrinkle. You know, 225 00:11:57,745 --> 00:12:01,145 Speaker 3: before you see those wrinkles, before you see those fine lines, 226 00:12:01,225 --> 00:12:03,905 Speaker 3: right there is a textual change your skin has. 227 00:12:04,265 --> 00:12:06,345 Speaker 2: I love that though, the crinkle before the wrinkle, because 228 00:12:06,385 --> 00:12:09,385 Speaker 2: I know exactly the skin texture that you're talking about. 229 00:12:09,745 --> 00:12:11,985 Speaker 3: So what's your magic answer to that? Let me tell 230 00:12:12,025 --> 00:12:15,665 Speaker 3: you hyeronic acid. That's why German Fusions is such an 231 00:12:15,705 --> 00:12:18,665 Speaker 3: incredible product because and it comes in two forms. It 232 00:12:18,665 --> 00:12:21,265 Speaker 3: comes as a cerami's lightly or a moisturizer by the way, 233 00:12:21,305 --> 00:12:24,385 Speaker 3: you can have your choice. But what it's doing is 234 00:12:24,585 --> 00:12:29,625 Speaker 3: it's going to rehydrate the skin so quickly that kind 235 00:12:29,665 --> 00:12:34,585 Speaker 3: of like really wholesome three dements shell full filling of 236 00:12:34,625 --> 00:12:37,945 Speaker 3: the skin. That's plumping. Let me tell you the crinkle 237 00:12:37,945 --> 00:12:41,265 Speaker 3: before the wrinkle goes away and that's very gratifying and 238 00:12:41,345 --> 00:12:45,145 Speaker 3: it happens fast and so that's plumping. So you want 239 00:12:45,185 --> 00:12:48,185 Speaker 3: to firm, you want to address your collagen and you 240 00:12:48,265 --> 00:12:52,305 Speaker 3: want to plump, and that's your think of your internal hydration. Yeah, 241 00:12:52,465 --> 00:12:55,225 Speaker 3: it's important to know your skin. I'll give you one example. 242 00:12:55,385 --> 00:13:00,145 Speaker 3: When you categorize skin types, it would be oily, dry 243 00:13:00,625 --> 00:13:04,505 Speaker 3: or combo. The truth is the fourth one. There is 244 00:13:04,505 --> 00:13:06,385 Speaker 3: a fourth one. It's called sensitive skin. 245 00:13:07,025 --> 00:13:07,305 Speaker 1: Yeah. 246 00:13:07,385 --> 00:13:10,625 Speaker 3: I am pounding the drum to make sure that people 247 00:13:10,785 --> 00:13:13,745 Speaker 3: know that that is the most important type of skin type. 248 00:13:13,745 --> 00:13:16,345 Speaker 3: If you have it, and many people here in Australia 249 00:13:16,465 --> 00:13:19,505 Speaker 3: have that, you need to really be careful with products. 250 00:13:19,545 --> 00:13:22,265 Speaker 3: And I must say that I do certain things with 251 00:13:22,345 --> 00:13:25,745 Speaker 3: the products knowing that there are people sensitive skin out there. 252 00:13:25,785 --> 00:13:27,345 Speaker 3: That is to me where I set the bar in 253 00:13:27,385 --> 00:13:31,785 Speaker 3: terms of formulation, because if a person is not sensitive 254 00:13:31,945 --> 00:13:33,625 Speaker 3: and they use it, no hardt done at all. 255 00:13:33,825 --> 00:13:34,105 Speaker 1: Yeah. 256 00:13:34,145 --> 00:13:37,185 Speaker 3: Really, person is while we take care of them, we 257 00:13:37,265 --> 00:13:40,705 Speaker 3: got their back, you know. So that is also a 258 00:13:40,745 --> 00:13:44,305 Speaker 3: big deal to me. That is very important to understand that. 259 00:13:44,465 --> 00:13:45,985 Speaker 3: I think consumers should be aware of that. 260 00:13:46,585 --> 00:13:50,825 Speaker 2: So true with like different people in their sensitivities totally. 261 00:13:51,305 --> 00:13:53,585 Speaker 3: I think a large percentage of the people here in 262 00:13:53,665 --> 00:14:00,345 Speaker 3: Australia are of a heritage that is fair and sensitive 263 00:14:00,905 --> 00:14:04,545 Speaker 3: and then living with hard water. So what happens is 264 00:14:04,545 --> 00:14:08,425 Speaker 3: is that I think that certain conditions here are very prevalent, 265 00:14:08,545 --> 00:14:12,185 Speaker 3: like redness, because of that sensitivity. So redskins are red 266 00:14:12,185 --> 00:14:16,665 Speaker 3: flag okay, and most people do know that, and most people, 267 00:14:17,025 --> 00:14:19,385 Speaker 3: at least that I have experienced. I find the consumer 268 00:14:19,425 --> 00:14:22,625 Speaker 3: here they're very smart, they know their stuff. 269 00:14:22,905 --> 00:14:26,185 Speaker 2: But do you think it's more so the way consumers 270 00:14:26,865 --> 00:14:30,905 Speaker 2: are absorbing information and technology like that's been the biggest shift, 271 00:14:30,905 --> 00:14:31,545 Speaker 2: would you say? 272 00:14:31,945 --> 00:14:35,025 Speaker 3: I think the consumer now with access to information truly 273 00:14:35,065 --> 00:14:38,625 Speaker 3: wanting the best results, really wants to learn, and by 274 00:14:38,665 --> 00:14:40,865 Speaker 3: the way, at a level and I travel a lot 275 00:14:41,185 --> 00:14:43,945 Speaker 3: that probably is world class, I have not seen this 276 00:14:44,105 --> 00:14:47,705 Speaker 3: level of involvement and questions in any place I go, 277 00:14:48,345 --> 00:14:50,505 Speaker 3: and I think that it's very important. I kind of 278 00:14:50,545 --> 00:14:53,185 Speaker 3: want to spread that everywhere because I think this is 279 00:14:53,225 --> 00:14:55,225 Speaker 3: what should be the standard of understanding. 280 00:14:55,825 --> 00:15:00,745 Speaker 2: Well, as you said, Ozzie's love information and thank you 281 00:15:00,945 --> 00:15:03,985 Speaker 2: so much for sharing so much of your information and 282 00:15:04,025 --> 00:15:05,385 Speaker 2: so much knowledge with us today. 283 00:15:05,425 --> 00:15:06,745 Speaker 1: We really appreciate it. 284 00:15:06,905 --> 00:15:08,985 Speaker 3: Thank you very much. It's by pleasure. 285 00:15:09,105 --> 00:15:11,185 Speaker 1: Thank you so so much for listening to this episode 286 00:15:11,225 --> 00:15:11,985 Speaker 1: of You Beauty. 287 00:15:12,465 --> 00:15:15,105 Speaker 2: If you enjoyed this episode, check out our Instagram at 288 00:15:15,105 --> 00:15:17,585 Speaker 2: you Beauty Podcast and have a look at our YouTube channel. 289 00:15:17,905 --> 00:15:19,425 Speaker 1: All of the links are in the show notes. 290 00:15:19,625 --> 00:15:22,225 Speaker 2: Don't forget to subscribe to our Beauty newsletter for more 291 00:15:22,305 --> 00:15:27,065 Speaker 2: skincare tips, products recommendations, and exclusive beauty content delivered straight 292 00:15:27,105 --> 00:15:30,545 Speaker 2: tiar inbox. This episode of You Beauty Podcast was produced 293 00:15:30,545 --> 00:15:34,305 Speaker 2: by Molly Hartwood with audio production by Tiagan Sadler. 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