Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Mama Mia out loud. It's what
Speaker 1: women are actually talking about on Wednesday, the fifteenth of April.
Speaker 1: I'm hollywayn Right, I'm Amelia Last and I'm Clare Stephen
Speaker 1: and I'm giddy, giddy with excitement. I know because one
Speaker 1: of the things that's made our agenda today is an
Speaker 1: update on what looks like a royal tour, what tastes
Speaker 1: like a royal tour, what smells like a royal tour,
Speaker 1: but it's not actually a royal tour. We have some
Speaker 1: insider gossip from the Harry and meghanness of it all.
Speaker 2: Plus I've got some very practical advice for how to
Speaker 2: deal with sexist comments on and off the internet.
Speaker 3: And we all know that the best kind of gossip
Speaker 3: is podcast gossip. And so there is a viral Alex
Speaker 3: feud and I've developed a PhD in it.
Speaker 2: They look exactly the same.
Speaker 1: It Alex Squared.
Speaker 3: Two people who look the same are having a fight
Speaker 3: about podcasting.
Speaker 1: But first we are on day two of Harry and
Speaker 1: Meghan's visit to Australia. It is a royal tour. It
Speaker 1: just is right. It's giving royal tep It's definitely giving
Speaker 1: royal tour. Oh and today I did have a chat
Speaker 1: to our daily news podcast The Quickie about the not
Speaker 1: so Royal tour and all the background quick recap. They
Speaker 1: arrived in Melbourne yesterday six thirty am. They were on
Speaker 1: a commercial Quantus flight first class. YEP.
Speaker 3: I did hear a little bit of a little bit
Speaker 3: of a tidbit from someone on the flight who said
Speaker 3: they were super friendly around the toilet area. There you go.
Speaker 1: So they also hang around the toilet area during long
Speaker 1: haul flights because they're flying from LA. How long does
Speaker 1: that take a me e lear fourteen hours? That's a
Speaker 1: long time, right. I assume they're in first class because
Speaker 1: I saw reports that their seat number their seat row
Speaker 1: was three that point the end of the plane. None
Speaker 1: of my business, but I hear that that is first class.
Speaker 1: They got changed super fast and went straight to the
Speaker 1: Royal Children's Hospital in Melbourne. Megs was wearing a designer dress.
Speaker 1: Now in the day that would have sold out a immediately.
Speaker 1: Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. I haven't seen that,
Speaker 1: but she was wearing an Australian dress an Australian designer
Speaker 1: by a designer called Karen g And they went straight
Speaker 1: to the hospital. And when I say I wasn't there,
Speaker 1: I definitely wasn't there. But the out louders have been
Speaker 1: sending me so many pictures.
Speaker 3: It's so cute, and what kind of things have you
Speaker 3: seen in the picture?
Speaker 1: Well, in video, it's so a lot of out loud
Speaker 1: as it turns out, were at the children's hospital yesterday
Speaker 1: for other reasons, like they were working there, or they
Speaker 1: were with their sick children there, or they were visiting
Speaker 1: relatives there. And then suddenly, as if from nowhere, incomes Harry,
Speaker 1: incomes Megs. Small talk is on. They are very good
Speaker 1: at that. They are showing all of their small talk prowess.
Speaker 1: Harry's been training for that his entire life. And they
Speaker 1: everybody said lovely, lovely, How lovely, lovely, lovely, lovely. They
Speaker 1: are very good at that.
Speaker 3: I liked There was a kid who had a sign
Speaker 3: and Harry said, how long did that take you? And
Speaker 3: the kids said five to six minutes.
Speaker 1: And also because they would have been like quick if
Speaker 1: some royal people are coming on some what some royal people, Okay, quick,
Speaker 1: we'll make a sight. That's so funny watching them do
Speaker 1: that reminds you that that's what Royal's jobs. That's what
Speaker 1: the Royal job is, right. William and Kate are so
Speaker 1: very good at this. You go to a hospital or
Speaker 1: a football club or a whatever, and you make people
Speaker 1: feel good with your small talk and your exceptional beauty.
Speaker 1: That's the way that it works today between the two
Speaker 1: of them, they have five events across Melbourne and Canberra.
Speaker 1: Then it's Camera and Sydney tomorrow, then it's Sydney for
Speaker 1: the rest of the time. Then it's the Besties event
Speaker 1: to which I am definitely and I cannot stress this
Speaker 1: enough not welcome, not invited, not welcome. So fan media right, yes,
Speaker 1: so they've done. There's a media ban on that event
Speaker 1: because that is the event where Megan is talking to
Speaker 1: Gemmer O'Neil at the who's the host of her Best
Speaker 1: Life podcast, and it's attracted all of controversy for a
Speaker 1: lot of complicated and quite silly reasons. But it's a
Speaker 1: very it's probably the most Megan forward event, and so
Speaker 1: they're being very tight with their access, which I totally
Speaker 1: understand and apparently I even though I am Timu Royal
Speaker 1: correspondent out loud, not not going, but we.
Speaker 3: Want it on the record that if you were there,
Speaker 3: you would just be there as a fan. I would
Speaker 3: like you wouldn't even be trying to get gossip.
Speaker 1: I would be bringing my flower sprinkles for a signature. Exactly,
Speaker 1: That's what I would be. Actually, that's probably not the
Speaker 1: right thing to do. Will you sign my giants?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Please, somebody remove this woman from the room. I've got
Speaker 1: a dilemma about this. Actually, is this school holidays? I
Speaker 1: don't live in Sydney. We know this, right. Do I
Speaker 1: just go home as normal? Or do I creepily hang
Speaker 1: around Sydney for the next few days in case I
Speaker 1: bump into them at the beach. Or do I go
Speaker 1: and hang out with my children? What's what's what's the
Speaker 1: better use of my time?
Speaker 3: This up earlier and I've been thinking a lot about it,
Speaker 3: and my advice to you is you should go home
Speaker 3: and be with your children, and if there is an opportunity,
Speaker 3: don't worry. I'll be there.
Speaker 1: That's fair.
Speaker 3: I leave nearby. I'm ready to step in if you needed.
Speaker 2: I have to ask, do you feel like any does
Speaker 2: any part of you feel a bit weird about the
Speaker 2: sort of like Royal tour but not Royal Tour of
Speaker 2: at all because it's like for profit royal Yah.
Speaker 1: Well, is that a little I want to know what
Speaker 1: you think about this, right, because my take on this
Speaker 1: watching them, because nobody really knew what to expect a
Speaker 1: lot of apart from the best of the event and
Speaker 1: a couple of other things that have popped up, the
Speaker 1: itinerary of this trip has been kept very closely held.
Speaker 1: And what was apparent yesterday when they landed and went
Speaker 1: straight to the hospital is that this was very much
Speaker 1: like the Royal tour they did in twenty eighteen, which
Speaker 1: we talked about on Monday. That tour was seen as
Speaker 1: one of the catalysts for everything going wrong because they
Speaker 1: were so good at it, that Pacific tour that the
Speaker 1: other Royals got jealous. That is not speculation. That is
Speaker 1: in Harry's book. That is in spare. He says, seeing Meghan,
Speaker 1: new to the family, do such a good job upset
Speaker 1: everybody and it started the bad blood. The thing that's
Speaker 1: really interesting is they are now doing exactly what they
Speaker 1: wanted to do when they were trying to negotiate the exit.
Speaker 1: So there was this thing called the Sandringham Summit in
Speaker 1: I think it was twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: We wanted to collaborate with the Queen.
Speaker 1: Yes, and they wanted the Queen collap Yes collab hash
Speaker 1: tag Lizzy collapse.
Speaker 2: Bluesy x Meghan.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. They wanted to literally do that. To
Speaker 1: amplify reach, they proposed a sort of half in, half
Speaker 1: out arrangement, which was that they got to be royal,
Speaker 1: but they got to live in America and they got
Speaker 1: to also pursue private business deals. Now the Queen was like,
Speaker 1: that is not what's going to happen, and that is
Speaker 1: all on the record. Also in Spare. The thing is
Speaker 1: that is exactly what they're doing. So in a way,
Speaker 1: this is watching them do this and watching them sprinkle
Speaker 1: their star power around and you know, ride the waves
Speaker 1: of the criticism and whatever. It's ballsy. They are just going,
Speaker 1: I know that we're not officially on a royal tour,
Speaker 1: because the point of a royal tour, in case you're wondering,
Speaker 1: you're like, what is this is It supposed to be
Speaker 1: about tightening relations between the monarchy and therefore Britain and
Speaker 1: whichever host country. So that's the purpose of it.
Speaker 2: For instance, Charles and Camilla are headed to Washington, DC
Speaker 2: soon on such a.
Speaker 1: Tour exactly, So what is the point of a semi
Speaker 1: royal tour? Who are we tightening bounds between? What are
Speaker 1: we tightening ties?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: What am I trying to go there?
Speaker 2: We're amplifying brand, That's what we're doing.
Speaker 1: So that's really interesting because they are doing exactly what
Speaker 1: they wanted to do, semi royal, semi shining spotlight on
Speaker 1: charities and causes they care about, semi making money feelings.
Speaker 2: That's why I feel weird about it. Look, I think
Speaker 2: there has been a lot of as usual with Meghan
Speaker 2: sexist and racist commentary around her visit. I read an
Speaker 2: article on the weekend in the Australian Press I won't
Speaker 2: mention where which said that Harry and Meghan are using
Speaker 2: Australia as an ATM. And I didn't love that formulation
Speaker 2: because really that's what's called making a living. And I
Speaker 2: don't have a problem with people trying to make a living.
Speaker 2: But I guess I do feel weird about They must
Speaker 2: think it's weird that they're sort of touring the world,
Speaker 2: going to hospitals, spreading joy, but on behalf of who
Speaker 2: and to what ends. I guess the reason they're going
Speaker 2: to the hospital. To spread joy is both to spread
Speaker 2: joy but also to eventually sell more flower sprinkles.
Speaker 3: Right, well, here's the thing. I think this is just
Speaker 3: such evidence of the fact that it takes very little
Speaker 3: to make Australia feel special, and it's because we are
Speaker 3: so far away and we feel a little bit neglected
Speaker 3: by the world sometimes. And so I saw that headline
Speaker 3: that you're referencing, and my first response was very like, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: I don't agree with that, and just very cynical. And
Speaker 3: I'm like, come on, we need some joy. There's a
Speaker 3: lot happening in the world. We need some joy. But
Speaker 3: the fact that now that Harry and Megan are here,
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I'm so obsessed.
Speaker 3: I getting so much joy and.
Speaker 1: I know I've had it. That's what some of the
Speaker 1: out louders who sent me pictures from the hospital and
Speaker 1: stuff said, is like, I mean, I know we said
Speaker 1: this about everything now. The world is hard, everything's bad news.
Speaker 1: This just seemed nice.
Speaker 3: And she's wearing lovely clothes and lovely shoes and Harry
Speaker 3: and Harry and his small talk and it's all so
Speaker 3: gorgeous and we get all the little tidbins. We love.
Speaker 3: I love that our newspapers right now are saturated with
Speaker 3: photos of everyday people who have had minuscule interactions with them.
Speaker 3: And that's the news, and that's exactly what happened last
Speaker 3: But Australia's always had this funny thing of we really
Speaker 3: I think we I think we lose it a little
Speaker 3: bit about celebrities and fame because we are so far
Speaker 3: away and we're not used to it.
Speaker 1: It's interesting anyway, we do have as as I've said,
Speaker 1: I may hang around Sydney just in case I get
Speaker 1: to bump into Harry at the Harbor or around Couldgie.
Speaker 1: I used to live there. Surely I could give them
Speaker 1: some tips about where to get coffee.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I'm picturing you walking around Cougee in a trench
Speaker 2: coat with sunglasses, ready.
Speaker 1: To produce my flower sprinkles at any moment. But someone
Speaker 1: who had a legit close encounter with Prince Harry this
Speaker 1: morning is Mamma Mere's associate editor, Amy Clark. You might
Speaker 1: have heard us sometimes on New Beauty. She's excellent in
Speaker 1: every way. She lives in Melbourne. She went to the
Speaker 1: November event this morning where Harry was appearing at the
Speaker 1: Western Bulldogs football club, and of course we have to
Speaker 1: call it aget all the gossip, Amy Clark, you have
Speaker 1: just been in the same room as Prince Harry, us
Speaker 1: I have what does he smell like?
Speaker 4: I was only two seats away from Prince Harry, but
Speaker 4: unfortunately I wasn't able to get a whiff who shape, but.
Speaker 5: It was there was definitely some aura in the room
Speaker 5: when he walked in.
Speaker 2: Did he seem to like? No?
Speaker 5: But what was really actually very surprising was just how
Speaker 5: low key the entire thing was, you know, very little security.
Speaker 5: Came in from a side.
Speaker 4: Entrance, kind of gave a wave, said hard as some kids,
Speaker 4: you know, said hello to a baby, and then just.
Speaker 5: Really sat down and was like hey, everyone, like so chill?
Speaker 3: Were people acting normal? Like I wouldn't have acted normal
Speaker 3: if I was sitting where you were sitting. I think
Speaker 3: I would have hollered. I would have done a bit.
Speaker 1: I would have got some tips of how to say
Speaker 1: hello to babies, because royals are really good at that.
Speaker 4: So we actually weren't allowed to film or take photos.
Speaker 4: I was only two seats away and he oh, sorry,
Speaker 4: I completely forgot what your question was.
Speaker 3: My question was. My question was like, what did you do?
Speaker 3: Like he came out and did you lose it? Yes, yes,
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 5: Losing my ship because I can hardly speak right now.
Speaker 4: But everyone was very nonchalant about the Prince harriness of it.
Speaker 5: I think actually there was more fanfare for the Wiggles.
Speaker 5: The Wiggles were in attended Wiggles, including the Hot Wiggles.
Speaker 5: John he was there, Yes, John very excited.
Speaker 3: Okay, because I guess it's a good comparison because you've
Speaker 3: got Lockie and John Wiggle there as well. Did Harry
Speaker 3: compared to them, compared to other people in the room.
Speaker 3: Does he have presence? Does he have riz?
Speaker 1: It's gotta have riz, right, Amy.
Speaker 4: He certainly has a He certainly has a presence, very
Speaker 4: like RelA acted in his way of speaking. He was
Speaker 4: kind of dressed, you know, dressed very casually, just a
Speaker 4: skinn a black skinny jean. Yeah, like a faded black skinny,
Speaker 4: no rips.
Speaker 1: But I don't think kind of like.
Speaker 2: Faded black skinny.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: No, he's just a dad, guys, He's just a dad.
Speaker 4: They're talking about, you know, you know the struggles of
Speaker 4: fatherhood and early mental health, which was the whole reason
Speaker 4: why you know, he was there was to talk about.
Speaker 5: With the mon Vember Institute.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I would say he.
Speaker 2: Does have riz.
Speaker 1: Did he say anything good?
Speaker 4: He said a few really great things paraphrasing because obviously
Speaker 4: we weren't allowed or untranscribed. But he did talk a
Speaker 4: little bit about the advice that his therapist gave him
Speaker 4: before becoming a father. So he was told that, you know,
Speaker 4: you've got to be aware of how you're feeling because
Speaker 4: the baby is born and it's all very exciting, but
Speaker 4: after that, the days, the weeks, the months where you're.
Speaker 5: Going to be sitting there going like what do I do?
Speaker 4: What can I do?
Speaker 5: And his help he said if he couldn't help Archie,
Speaker 5: he would be.
Speaker 1: Helping Mum over offering.
Speaker 5: You know, that was kind of the best advice that
Speaker 5: he got from Carabous.
Speaker 2: Can I just interrupt? Did he say mom or mom?
Speaker 2: That's kind of important.
Speaker 5: He's still very British, very like mum mummy.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 4: He also spoke about that he spoke a lot about
Speaker 4: mental health, as the royals often do. But interestingly I
Speaker 4: thought that he said and his words, actually he says,
Speaker 4: the more shit that he gets about speaking about mental
Speaker 4: health and being open. The more it just makes him
Speaker 4: want to speak more, so he will not be He
Speaker 4: will not stop talking about you know, vulnerability, mental health,
Speaker 4: you know, talking to your male friends, all of that jazz.
Speaker 1: That's why he knows who Brene Brown is.
Speaker 5: Yes, he quoted, he quoted.
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 5: I don't know what quote it was.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sure she's got She's got many fabulous quotes.
Speaker 4: But he quoted Brene Brown. He's they're talking about therapy.
Speaker 4: He also was at pains to point out to the
Speaker 4: room that you know, yes we're talking about men's mental
Speaker 4: health and early fatherhood, but that you.
Speaker 5: Know, women are women are awesome.
Speaker 1: Though that was the quote, Okay, women are awesome. Did
Speaker 1: he go outside and kick the footy around?
Speaker 2: Of us? Seen that he did?
Speaker 1: Can the Prince kick an AFL ball? He can?
Speaker 2: He can kick?
Speaker 1: He did not come to her.
Speaker 4: No, he did a bit of a clanger that went
Speaker 4: far over the small child's head, and he turned.
Speaker 5: Around and looked a bit cheepish about that, but he
Speaker 5: mastered the.
Speaker 1: Child. Remember when Harry has gone in for a high tackle.
Speaker 5: No, no tackling. It was all very kind of rudimentary skills.
Speaker 1: I heard he might have got upstaged by some other
Speaker 1: celebrities who were there though, correct.
Speaker 4: So while Harry was kicking the footy, we had an
Speaker 4: incredible acoustic performance by the Wiggles that was going on
Speaker 4: that was drawing a lot of attention, specifically Hot Wiggle.
Speaker 2: That's the John Pierre John.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Hot John.
Speaker 5: And also he was competing with the actual Western Bulldogs
Speaker 5: football players, so.
Speaker 2: It was a tough gig.
Speaker 1: The arms on those boys, yes, not the shorts about that,
Speaker 1: not of my business.
Speaker 5: No Wiggles Wiggles arms were covered, can confirm right.
Speaker 1: So basically Harry spent the morning getting upstaged by Wiggles.
Speaker 1: That is the headline here.
Speaker 3: Something I love about Australian culture is that are we
Speaker 3: pressed by the royals a little bit? Who were more
Speaker 3: impressed by the Wiggle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Wiggles. I have one more question. Did people
Speaker 1: bow to him?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: No bowing now and shaking handshaking shaking?
Speaker 1: He yes.
Speaker 4: He was referred to and was referred to throughout as
Speaker 4: the Duke, not to be confused with another.
Speaker 5: Duke that we love in pop culture, of course, Bridgington.
Speaker 2: But to the Duke, the Duke, the Duke.
Speaker 5: So very much, still have has the royal vibe Brigidon.
Speaker 1: Whole thing has probably given dukes more riz than.
Speaker 3: They have sound sexy amy.
Speaker 1: That's an exceptional account of your royal morning. Thank you,
Speaker 1: Thank you for going there for someone.
Speaker 5: Had to do it, happy to do it.
Speaker 1: Love your work as always, So yeah bye.
Speaker 2: In a moment. Not everyone on the internet approves of
Speaker 2: women kicking goals, and so we're going to talk about
Speaker 2: what to do about it. A milestone for Australian women
Speaker 2: this week. Susan Coyle is the new Chief of the Army.
Speaker 2: She is the first woman to lead a branch of
Speaker 2: the defense force. She's fifty five. She joined the Army
Speaker 2: Reserve as a soldier in nineteen eighty seven and she
Speaker 2: moved up the ranks from there. When I was reading
Speaker 2: about this appointment, I was kind of shocked to learn.
Speaker 2: Up until fairly recently, it was very difficult for a
Speaker 2: woman to ever imagine getting into any kind of senior
Speaker 2: role in the army. Apparently in the nineteen fifties women
Speaker 2: had to leave service in the Women's Army Corps when
Speaker 2: they got married, and then later that got changed to
Speaker 2: when they were pregnant. I loved what Jennifer Parker, who's
Speaker 2: a defense and national security expert, had to say about
Speaker 2: this in a newspaper op ed this week. She wrote,
Speaker 2: the appointment of Australia's first female service chief is not
Speaker 2: just about one individual, but the cumulative effect of those
Speaker 2: who were constrained by policy, limited by expectation, or passed
Speaker 2: over despite their capability, And then she said it is
Speaker 2: in many respects over jew Holly, I know you mentioned
Speaker 2: to me that we have a number of out louders
Speaker 2: who serve in the Australian Defense Force and we thank
Speaker 2: them all for their service, and I hope that they're
Speaker 2: taking joy and pride in this, just as the rest
Speaker 2: of Australia should be. So. Susan Coyle is a trailblazer,
Speaker 2: but she's also really uniquely qualified for the role. She's
Speaker 2: the first service chief to come from a leadership role
Speaker 2: which involves emerging technology. Is like space and cyber and
Speaker 2: lots of complicated things that Australia needs to be on
Speaker 2: top of. So she's very much an army chief for
Speaker 2: the future. But then that's why I guess I was
Speaker 2: so distressed when you told me, Holly that not everyone
Speaker 2: on the Internet is pleased about this appointment.
Speaker 1: No, this is one of the reasons why we're talking
Speaker 1: about this is because an out louder and I'm going
Speaker 1: to respect her privacy beyond the group, beyond our Outlouders
Speaker 1: group by not naming her. But she posted in the
Speaker 1: out Louders group this, I'm going to read out what
Speaker 1: the post said. It said. I have to be honest,
Speaker 1: I'm genuinely shocked. I wasn't prepared for what I've been
Speaker 1: seeing across social media and I can't scroll past it
Speaker 1: anymore without saying something. The volume of sex is degrading
Speaker 1: and just plain inappropriate. Comments directed at the Lieutenant General
Speaker 1: Susan Coyle has been staggering, hundreds and hundreds of them.
Speaker 1: And it's not just men, it's women too. That part
Speaker 1: has hit me harder than I expected. This is a
Speaker 1: woman who has worked her way to the very top
Speaker 1: of a field and that has never been made easy
Speaker 1: for us. And rather than pausing to acknowledge what that takes,
Speaker 1: the years to sacrifice the performance, people are tearing her
Speaker 1: apart for being there, for doing her job. I work
Speaker 1: under her leadership. This out louder says, she is outstanding.
Speaker 1: What I wanted to. One of the reasons why I
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about this is the next bit in
Speaker 1: particular of what our out Louder says. She says that
Speaker 1: she works under coil and that her leadership is outstanding.
Speaker 1: As I say. She says, when I joined the Defense Force,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have dared imagine reaching that level as a woman.
Speaker 1: Seeing someone get there and then watching this response is gutting.
Speaker 1: I'm curious whether other women are feeling this too, or
Speaker 1: whether I'm just in my feelings about it, because right
Speaker 1: now I'm genuinely blindsided by how ugly it's gotten. I
Speaker 1: tell my daughter that she can do anything, but look
Speaker 1: what she gets to see when other women get to
Speaker 1: the top. One of the reasons why this really resonated
Speaker 1: is because my daughter and I and our family had
Speaker 1: this exact conversation on the weekend, but about a different woman,
Speaker 1: Christina Cook, the first woman to travel around the moon
Speaker 1: on Artemis two. We were talking about Artemis last week.
Speaker 1: My daughter was really distressed by coverage that she'd seen
Speaker 1: and like collections that were on social media and everything,
Speaker 1: of the awful trolling and abuse that Cook had attracted
Speaker 1: for being in this presumably once very male role. So
Speaker 1: we had a conversation about how much to focus on
Speaker 1: that rather than on the incredibly positive imagery coming out
Speaker 1: of like Cook with her teammate crewmates, who are the
Speaker 1: amazing camaraderie between them, about the largely female team leading
Speaker 1: from the from the ground at NASA, Like how much
Speaker 1: to focus on the hate rather than the great stuff
Speaker 1: that was happening. So what I wanted, what I'm genuinely
Speaker 1: torn about is what our out louder says there about
Speaker 1: how we tell our orders they can do anything, but
Speaker 1: then they see this happening. Do we go as my
Speaker 1: partner did. What we were talking about it on the weekend,
Speaker 1: we were talking about Christina Kosh. His view is very
Speaker 1: much just ignore it. He's like, it's sort of you know,
Speaker 1: these are just idiots, that's the vibe. You know, that's
Speaker 1: not the men and some women, but mostly men making
Speaker 1: these comments are just idiots on the internet, and idiot
Speaker 1: people on the internet will be idiots. But my issue
Speaker 1: with the just ignore it advice when it gets to
Speaker 1: a certain point is are we then, like not acknowledging
Speaker 1: the level of pressure and abuse, like the higher price
Speaker 1: of entry? If you like that women have if they
Speaker 1: rise through the ranks of a male profession. If we
Speaker 1: say just ignore it, don't look at it, and we
Speaker 1: don't talk about it, are we kind of pretending the
Speaker 1: world's place that it isn't, because then focusing on it
Speaker 1: feels really heavy, really depressing. We know there is a
Speaker 1: lot of progress and there are more women in all
Speaker 1: kinds of fields, and we want to celebrate that. But
Speaker 1: as another out louder wrote on that post about Susankle,
Speaker 1: she said, I've had to stop myself from looking. I'm
Speaker 1: getting way too angry and it starts to affect real
Speaker 1: life around me and my moods. All I keep telling
Speaker 1: myself is that's fine. Let them comment. It won't change
Speaker 1: the fact that she's made it or the decision. So
Speaker 1: just let the old men embarrass themselves. What do we
Speaker 1: think about this dichotomy of acknowledging the trolls ignoring the trolls?
Speaker 1: When it comes to me.
Speaker 2: Before we get to that, can I just ask about
Speaker 2: the comments because I don't know anything about them. Is
Speaker 2: it abuse? Is it like disparaging comments, saying that they're
Speaker 2: not qualified or something.
Speaker 1: Claire's got some examples done.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for I'm very across because when I saw that
Speaker 3: in the out Louders group, and this is what I'm
Speaker 3: torn about, as you say, Holly, I didn't know there
Speaker 3: had been negative commentary, and when I saw that called out,
Speaker 3: I then went looking for it and I am really
Speaker 3: disturbed as well. So there was a lot of a
Speaker 3: lot of arguments about how it's DEI basically diversity and inclusion,
Speaker 3: that she's been chosen for that role, how she actually
Speaker 3: fired a rifle. I'd be interested to know if her
Speaker 3: peers think she's the right person for the job. A
Speaker 3: lot of like this I found really really annoying, people
Speaker 3: saying the question is is there anyone else who is
Speaker 3: more experienced and better qualified for the position? And it's like,
Speaker 3: you don't ask that if that was just a man,
Speaker 3: you wouldn't ask that question.
Speaker 1: That's the respectful kind of commentary.
Speaker 3: Yet in a way, because then a woman, this was
Speaker 3: from a woman, great when she gets menopausal, the real
Speaker 3: fun starts from a woman. She was asking someone tell
Speaker 3: me what her medals are that she's wearing, and they
Speaker 3: just participation medals that everyone gets these days. And basically
Speaker 3: it was a mixture of you belong in the kitchen
Speaker 3: make sandwich and she's not qualified. With the female astronaut,
Speaker 3: I wasn't across that. What kind of stuff did.
Speaker 1: Your daughter see? A lot of the same things, A
Speaker 1: lot of things about like I hope she's just there
Speaker 1: to clean up make sandwiches. She's only there because they
Speaker 1: had to have a woman in there. What does she like?
Speaker 1: So obviously there's more toxic abuse in that. That's about
Speaker 1: the way these women look, or you know, like whether
Speaker 1: or not they should be allowed to be in the
Speaker 1: like a lot of that as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm sure that the black astronaut, Victor Glover
Speaker 2: was also getting a lot of vilification.
Speaker 1: And so this is the thing is do you focus
Speaker 1: on that, because do you focus on that the fact
Speaker 1: that any woman or a person who does not fit
Speaker 1: central casting for these kind of roles, whether that's their background,
Speaker 1: their age or ethnicity, their their gender, like, do you
Speaker 1: focus on the fact that they also have to wade
Speaker 1: through all this shit or do we go let's not
Speaker 1: give it oxygen. It's very difficult to read this kind
Speaker 1: of commentary and not get furious about it, as our
Speaker 1: out louder mentions, But is that part of the problem.
Speaker 1: Do we have to just ignore it and march on. Regardless,
Speaker 1: I can't decide it feels gas lighting.
Speaker 3: Because I think a lot of these The tricky part
Speaker 3: is a lot of these comments are people trying to
Speaker 3: stoke stuff and trying to trying to start shit basically
Speaker 3: and provoke people. They're just basic trolls who seem to
Speaker 3: if it was about anything, they'd post the contrarian opinion
Speaker 3: just to rev people up. And I do think if
Speaker 3: we are paying them attention, that's exactly what they want
Speaker 3: because they I think they think it's funny. They think
Speaker 3: that there is something really powerful and really comical about
Speaker 3: kind of swaying the conversation. So on the one hand,
Speaker 3: I think just ignore it. But on the other hand,
Speaker 3: I did really like when you saw these comments and
Speaker 3: people would it was often women responding and defending her
Speaker 3: and saying, I work under her, and she is incredible,
Speaker 3: and she's got forty years of experience, And when they
Speaker 3: questioned particular things about does she have combat experience, and
Speaker 3: people would say the last two chiefs didn't have combat experience.
Speaker 3: So I have a lot of respect for the people
Speaker 3: who engage with it in order to make sure that
Speaker 3: it isn't a one dimensional narratives. But it just makes
Speaker 3: me think that I really hope that these women, that
Speaker 3: Susan Coyle and also Christina Cook are not looking at
Speaker 3: this stuff, because I mean, Christina Cook, thank goodness, when
Speaker 3: a lot of it was happening, she was in Spain,
Speaker 3: far from it. I hope the wi FI was bad.
Speaker 1: Here's what I wonder, and this is what I'd love
Speaker 1: to hear from you about Amelia, is that so these
Speaker 1: are very particular, extraordinary obvious, like you know, a woman
Speaker 1: who can lead Australia's defense forces, a woman who can
Speaker 1: literally fly around the moon. They seem like very extreme examples.
Speaker 1: But I think one of the reasons why the women
Speaker 1: reading the comments get so upset is because in lots
Speaker 1: of little ways, women are still dealing with this, whether
Speaker 1: they're sitting at a meeting table in a corporate environment,
Speaker 1: whether they're dealing with a male superior at work not
Speaker 1: all the time, and of course, like things have never
Speaker 1: been better in so many ways, and a lot of
Speaker 1: the out louder is in this comment thread, by the way,
Speaker 1: said my husband's in the ADF. He's deeply impressed by
Speaker 1: Lieutenant Coyle like all that, So definitely not. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not a universal experience, but women do still come
Speaker 1: up across this in their everyday life all the time.
Speaker 1: If they're not going to the moon. How do we
Speaker 1: handle it, Amelia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's complicated, by the way. I just want to
Speaker 2: say that part of what's happening here is that a
Speaker 2: lot of these comments may not be even human at
Speaker 2: this point.
Speaker 1: That's interesting.
Speaker 2: Guy has really supercharged the ability of bot farms to
Speaker 2: flood comments sections, and I had to stop reading I
Speaker 2: read a lot of Reddit for a while, and I
Speaker 2: had to stop reading it because increasingly Reddit, which was
Speaker 2: regarded as one of the last bastions of the Internet
Speaker 2: where humans were talking to humans, you could tell that
Speaker 2: a lot of the most inflammatory and the most extreme comments,
Speaker 2: and there were particular topics on which they were like
Speaker 2: lightning rods for bots, the most inflammatory comments were not
Speaker 2: coming from humans, and you could just tell because they
Speaker 2: were pushing the same line again and again. And a
Speaker 2: lot of these bot farms in places like Russia a
Speaker 2: deliberately stoking division within societies. So I just want to
Speaker 2: say at the outset that a lot of these comments
Speaker 2: may not even be from living, breathing humans, which is
Speaker 2: not to say that I don't think that sexism and
Speaker 2: misogyny don't still very much exist. And I'm sure that
Speaker 2: there are a lot of people, both men and women,
Speaker 2: who do have these thoughts on the inside of their
Speaker 2: heads about DEI and whether these women were qualified for
Speaker 2: their roles. But in the past, we didn't have to
Speaker 2: hear them say it. And that's the problem with the Internet.
Speaker 2: In amplifies our our worst inner thoughts and our worst
Speaker 2: kind of secret prejudice.
Speaker 1: Do you think, though, that's so like for my not
Speaker 1: necessarily my daughter, but the generation who's only grown up
Speaker 1: with internet commentary, do you worry that it inhibits them?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Why would you try for anything when you know you're
Speaker 1: just going to get this?
Speaker 2: I really struggle. It's a good question, and I guess
Speaker 2: that's why I really struggle with whether or not we
Speaker 2: should talk about this today, because I think where it
Speaker 2: came down on it, and why I decided that, yes,
Speaker 2: I agreed with you that we should talk about it,
Speaker 2: is that women are still dealing with this in real life. So, yes,
Speaker 2: there are the bot farms, Yes there's the amplification of
Speaker 2: people's worst thoughts, But just today, in the nine newspapers.
Speaker 2: There's a god a Minute column which is like workplace advice,
Speaker 2: and there was a letter which read, I'm the only
Speaker 2: woman in our senior management team. During a meeting about
Speaker 2: a vacant role at work, one of the men asked
Speaker 2: who had been a successful candidate. Another man said we
Speaker 2: chose the one with the large chest, which drew laughter
Speaker 2: around the table. All right, Jerry sein felt very funny. Well,
Speaker 2: the good news is, though, that Kristin Ferguson, who is
Speaker 2: the who answers the advice the advice column. She pointed
Speaker 2: out that managers can't just brush this kind of comment
Speaker 2: off anymore if there is a complaint, of which this
Speaker 2: woman had about this comment. There are laws that were
Speaker 2: passed in twenty twenty two that say that employers actually
Speaker 2: have a duty to prevent harassment and sexist conduct in
Speaker 2: the workplace. She told this letter writer, your manager has
Speaker 2: to take this seriously. They have to show you what
Speaker 2: they are doing to stop this kind of sexist behavior
Speaker 2: from happening. And that really cheered me up. It means
Speaker 2: that in real life there are now consequences for saying
Speaker 2: these kinds of casually sexist things. I think the world
Speaker 2: is changing, okay, along with pictures of Harry and Meghan
Speaker 2: which in a non creepy way keep them coming out louders,
Speaker 2: and tips for my knee veggie bed. There is one
Speaker 2: other piece of gossip that I am being sent a
Speaker 2: lot in my DMS, and that is because Jlo, who
Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw her at Coachella?
Speaker 1: Did you see she she popped up in a guest
Speaker 1: role at Coachella?
Speaker 2: What was she wearing?
Speaker 1: The most extraordinary like front dental floss song Like she
Speaker 1: had these thick dancer tights on, but she had this tiny,
Speaker 1: little like sparkly cod piece and she was like caressing
Speaker 1: it in the very ja. It's not about that. Allegedly
Speaker 1: she has been hooking up with Brett Goldstein. If that
Speaker 1: name means nothing to you, then you have not been
Speaker 1: sending this to me because this is not your special
Speaker 1: interest area of Ted Lasso times, Jlo. Because Brett Goldstein
Speaker 1: was Roy Kent, who's like the breakout the eyebrow Guy.
Speaker 2: Because Ted Lasso guy is now on the new Steve
Speaker 2: Coroll HBO show.
Speaker 1: Yes that's true, right, so yes, the one who plays
Speaker 1: the other footballer Jamie. Yes, yes, yes he is I've
Speaker 1: been watching that. It's good right anyway, we digress. Brett
Speaker 1: Goldstein was Roy Kent, and not only is he a
Speaker 1: breakout stuff for that, but he went on to co
Speaker 1: write Shrinking. Co wrote Shrinking with Jason Sigal. He's a
Speaker 1: big deal. He's a writer producer in Hollywood now and
Speaker 1: he has also created a rom com specifically for j
Speaker 1: Lo called Office Romance. That show is about to go
Speaker 1: into its promo cycle before it streams on Netflix in June,
Speaker 1: which makes this bit of gossip especially scorellless because we
Speaker 1: all know what happens there. But there have been some
Speaker 1: pop photographs of them looking cozy and then this kind
Speaker 1: of commentary in tabloid newspapers. During the rap party and
Speaker 1: Insider told The Sun they were all over each other
Speaker 1: during the dinner and drinks with the rest of the cast.
Speaker 1: They have a lot of fun while shooting. It was
Speaker 1: just what jen needed After ben Affleck. He really put
Speaker 1: a smile on her face in September twenty twenty four,
Speaker 1: so that's way back when he would have been wearing
Speaker 1: her for this part. The duo was spotted at a
Speaker 1: Broadway show together and after filming completed, Jennifer told Andy
Speaker 1: Cohen on the Watch What Happens Live show that Brett
Speaker 1: was her favorite on screen kiss. I'm gonna say I
Speaker 1: just did a movie with Brett Goldstein, and I would
Speaker 1: say he's the best kiss.
Speaker 2: As she says, I'm not buying this, Holly, why not?
Speaker 2: Because it's just publicity, Amelia, how dare you publicity?
Speaker 1: Only publicity? I mean, Jayla wouldn't be going out with
Speaker 1: Brett Goldstein.
Speaker 2: Did you also see that Jaylah's having a good time
Speaker 2: at the moment because Ben Affleck apparently gifted her his
Speaker 2: share of their sixty million dollar Beverly Hills mansion just
Speaker 2: recently too, So she's got great she's got luck in
Speaker 2: real estate. She's apparently got Brett Goldstein on speed dive.
Speaker 3: Brett Goldstein doesn't look unlike benefit. That's and that's what
Speaker 3: makes me slightly believe this.
Speaker 2: I alsoel like they're both herstute. Maybe she likes her stute.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I also think Jelo isn't known for being
Speaker 3: particularly covert with her. If this were anyone else, you
Speaker 3: might think, Okay, yeah, yeah, it's just publicity. Because the
Speaker 3: whole narrative that basically he had a massive crush on
Speaker 3: j Low and so wrote a Netflix movie for her
Speaker 3: to star in, and he's so gushy. He's like, we
Speaker 3: just wanted to write something funny and smart enough to
Speaker 3: be worthy of her, saying yes, like I just I
Speaker 3: love it. I would think with anybody else that it
Speaker 3: was just great publicity, But with j Low, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think I think she's on the prow and I
Speaker 3: think she's found love.
Speaker 2: I do. Do you think Ben is doing that thing
Speaker 2: where he stands outside of building taking an exhale from
Speaker 2: his cigarette, just looking the sky.
Speaker 1: It's a team of me j Lo.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And it's like, so you have fumbled this so many
Speaker 3: times you don't get to grieve anymore. After the break
Speaker 3: the podcast drama, we are way too invested in two
Speaker 3: blonde women who could easily be miss taken for one another,
Speaker 3: which I can't criticize, like like you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: I have a blonde counterplak.
Speaker 2: Is this not about you?
Speaker 3: I wish? I mean we should start a podcast feud,
Speaker 3: but they are currently fighting on the internet and I
Speaker 3: just needed to get to the bottom of it. So
Speaker 3: I think we can do it.
Speaker 2: As a group. You need to talk me through it,
Speaker 2: Like how to tell the difference between the two of
Speaker 2: them and why they're feuding.
Speaker 3: Things particularly complicated. They're both named Alex.
Speaker 1: I know, one with a knee and one with an eye.
Speaker 1: Am I correctly?
Speaker 3: So one is Alex with an E. That's Alex Cooper,
Speaker 3: host of Call Her Daddy.
Speaker 1: I very much know who she is. That's one of
Speaker 1: the biggest podcasts in the world. She's very good.
Speaker 3: Yep, most listen to podcast by women, second to us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Her recent guests have included Nicki Glazer, Kerry Washington, Jeanette McCurdy,
Speaker 3: Anna Kendrick.
Speaker 1: She's into be Like She with a spin on that,
Speaker 1: but Kardashians are always on that show exactly.
Speaker 3: It's it's one of the biggest podcasts in the world.
Speaker 3: She also owns the media company Unwell. The other is
Speaker 3: Alex with an I and Alex Earl is a social
Speaker 3: media personality who I discovered on TikTok and I think
Speaker 3: a lot of people discovered when she was doing get
Speaker 3: Ready with Me videos and she's just beautiful, absolutely beautiful.
Speaker 3: And she had a podcast called Hot Mess with Alex Earl,
Speaker 3: which no longer exists, which we'll get to, but that
Speaker 3: was with unwell, that was with Ali.
Speaker 1: It's like network, It's like Alex Cooper owns the network.
Speaker 1: And she was like, hey girl, because that's how these
Speaker 1: people talk. Hey girl, come to a show for me. Yes,
Speaker 1: And Alex Earl said love to girl, and then she
Speaker 1: started doing it and then something something happened exactly.
Speaker 3: So let's start with what's happened very very recently, and
Speaker 3: then we'll go back. I'm scrolling through TikTok yesterday in
Speaker 3: the office on work time. It was Monday in the US,
Speaker 3: because the US doesn't make sense. But I see this
Speaker 3: video from Alex Cooper.
Speaker 1: Hey guys.
Speaker 6: You guys know, I don't usually address this kind of
Speaker 6: stuff because.
Speaker 1: When now the thing starts with, I don't usually address
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff to.
Speaker 6: Participate in this. But I am obviously seeing the videos.
Speaker 6: I'm getting tagged, I see the dms, I see the comments.
Speaker 6: So at this point it just feels long overdue. Alex Earle,
Speaker 6: hey girl, Hey girl, the passive aggressive reposts and the
Speaker 6: likes and the commenting on things. I gotta call you
Speaker 6: out here. You're gonna need to get specific and just
Speaker 6: say what you've got to say about me.
Speaker 1: I love because It's taken me as a gen X
Speaker 1: for a while to realize that you can have a
Speaker 1: complete feud with someone just through internet bikes. That has
Speaker 1: taken me a while to figure that out. But I
Speaker 1: love that she's just like the likes and and then
Speaker 1: the posts like we're not having it, like okay, shots fired.
Speaker 2: So when she says ndia, she's talking about like why
Speaker 2: the podcast didn't work out?
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, She's like, none of this is under an NDA.
Speaker 3: You can talk about how us.
Speaker 2: Why the podcast didn't work out well?
Speaker 3: So the podcast Alex Earl signed in twenty twenty three
Speaker 3: with Alex Cooper on This Unwell network and then last year,
Speaker 3: it was only last year the podcast was no longer
Speaker 3: with the network, and nobody could kind of understand why.
Speaker 3: There was clearly some kind of falling out. And there's
Speaker 3: been lots and lots of rumors, and I've been kind
Speaker 3: of aware in the zeitgeist of the rumors, but not
Speaker 3: not full across them. Luckily, my friend David Portnoy, who
Speaker 3: I'll get to who he is, but he has weighed
Speaker 3: in and that's really clarified things now. David Portnoy is
Speaker 3: the owner slash founder of Barstool Sports, which was the
Speaker 3: network that Call Her Daddy was on originally.
Speaker 1: Guess very complicated here it does.
Speaker 3: So Caller Daddy was on Barstool Sports started in like
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen, and this is just interesting behind the scenes
Speaker 3: business goss. So obviously Caller Daddy blows up. It's Alex
Speaker 3: Cooper and it is her very good friend who is
Speaker 3: co hosting it with her at the time, Sophia Franklin.
Speaker 3: So it's the two of them and the podcast is
Speaker 3: doing really well. Yet they are on a salary of
Speaker 3: seventy five thousand dollars a year because it was all
Speaker 3: owned by Barstool Sports David Portnoy. There's then in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty a very public dispute going on between the Call
Speaker 3: Her Daddy podcast and Barstool Sports where they stop publishing episodes.
Speaker 3: David Portnoyd jumps in the feed and does an episode
Speaker 3: to update people.
Speaker 1: That's when I became aware of Call Her Daddy. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's so interesting because like just culturally, podcasts have now
Speaker 1: become celebrity gossip in a way that they never were.
Speaker 1: And I think this was one of those moments where
Speaker 1: now suddenly, like what's happening in podcast world. Thank god
Speaker 1: that's not in Australia. Yeah, I do not encourage it.
Speaker 1: But what's happening in podcast world is like as salacious
Speaker 1: as like whether Jlo is flashing her cod piece at
Speaker 1: Brett Goldstein, and it is.
Speaker 3: And so basically there's this big dispute. Sophia Franklin leaves
Speaker 3: the show, Cooper starts hosting it alone, and then in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, so only the year after, she signs
Speaker 3: a deal with Spotify for sixty million and she gets
Speaker 3: the rights and all of that. So then Alex Cooper
Speaker 3: starts this unwell network, she gets Alex Earl on and
Speaker 3: they have this falling out. David Portnoy was on a
Speaker 3: podcast yesterday morning and he weighed in on this, and
Speaker 3: I feel like he would know, so he said, Alex
Speaker 3: Cooper and Alex Earl. The biggest kind of rumor about
Speaker 3: what the feud was was a Carl's Junior commercial at
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl in twenty twenty five. There was this
Speaker 3: commercial and apparently both of them were up for it,
Speaker 3: and they have the same manager, which has got to
Speaker 3: be a conflict of interest.
Speaker 1: You can't manage two people called Alex.
Speaker 3: You can't and they look the same, and they'd be
Speaker 3: up for the same.
Speaker 1: Really confusing. I bet their manager just gets some mixed
Speaker 1: up all the time and says, I thought it was
Speaker 1: that Alex hand the burger to the Allix.
Speaker 3: Alex Earl got the commercial, but apparently, according to our
Speaker 3: mate David, Alex Cooper said, even if you offered me
Speaker 3: ten million dollars, I wouldn't have done that commercial. So
Speaker 3: he's like, that's not where the drama is. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: thank you, because I didn't even know that that was
Speaker 3: a rumor about where the drama started.
Speaker 1: Apparently I'll do the commercial to a lot of burgers
Speaker 1: for ten million dollars.
Speaker 3: And then another rumor was that Alex Cooper was annoyed
Speaker 3: that Alex Earl got a cameo in Happy Gilmore too
Speaker 3: Adam Sandler and I'm like.
Speaker 2: Someone with Travis kurlse Bunny.
Speaker 3: Well maybe because I was going to say, I don't
Speaker 3: think anyone wanted.
Speaker 4: It.
Speaker 3: Sounds like that buddy was in it.
Speaker 1: I would have gone and I would have been anything
Speaker 1: in that.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, everyone wants to work with Adam sund like
Speaker 2: he's like the nicest man in Hollywood.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he does seem really nice. Yeah, I just thought
Speaker 3: Happy Girl had it this moment clearly, So it wasn't
Speaker 3: either of these things.
Speaker 1: And it's like, okay, so what was God's podcast.
Speaker 3: Exactly? So he said that he didn't know exactly what
Speaker 3: alex Earl's contract looked like, but he reckons it was
Speaker 3: a contract. And he said, Alex Cooper, one time I
Speaker 3: saw her and she was like, I want to apologize
Speaker 3: for the way we were. We'd call her daddy. Now
Speaker 3: that I'm managing talent, I can see how hard it
Speaker 3: can mean.
Speaker 1: Oh, this is one of those classic cases when you
Speaker 1: become the boss and suddenly recognize all the shit that
Speaker 1: the boss has to put up. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so he seems to think it's definitely not
Speaker 3: a publicity stunt. There is there is something going on.
Speaker 3: There's some kind of tension, and Alex Cooper has always
Speaker 3: said that alex Earl still owned the rights the IP
Speaker 3: to her Hot Mess podcast and she could have done it,
Speaker 3: like she could have gone off and done it on
Speaker 3: her own. And so she I think when she says
Speaker 3: there's no nda, talk about it, talk about whatever you're
Speaker 3: mad about, that's what she's saying. Is there actually was
Speaker 3: I wasn't stopping you from doing it yourself. The best
Speaker 3: part of all of this is that when Alex Cooper
Speaker 3: posted her video saying hey girl, alex el commented beneath
Speaker 3: it and she said on it, So it's like, come on,
Speaker 3: where is it?
Speaker 2: Where is that?
Speaker 1: So this is one of those cases right where we
Speaker 1: like women fighting. Yeah, so this is a business deal
Speaker 1: gone sour. But because it's between two blonde alexis, both
Speaker 1: of whom have significant social media followings and like just
Speaker 1: say hey girl a lot, we are much more invested
Speaker 1: than if this was just two dudes in a suit.
Speaker 2: I'm going to start saying, hey girl, I think I
Speaker 2: can pull it off.
Speaker 3: I think every time there's just a little bit of
Speaker 3: tension on the show, we should sit down and I'll
Speaker 3: just look at a million and be like, hey girl,
Speaker 3: hey girl.
Speaker 2: Now I'm aware I'm a broken record, but there are
Speaker 2: some people on the internet who were saying this is
Speaker 2: not real. But this might be all a little bit
Speaker 2: of a pr.
Speaker 3: Stun because the thing about Alex Cooper that call her
Speaker 3: Daddy has become no is that when she teases a
Speaker 3: guest for her podcast, the teasers are incredible. She always
Speaker 3: has a really creative, clever way of teasing it.
Speaker 1: She had Sarah Jessica Parker on, for example, and she
Speaker 1: was like walking around in her outfits for ages, her
Speaker 1: iconic Sex in the City outfits for ages.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she kind of drops clues and everybody loses their
Speaker 3: minds about who who the guest could be. It would
Speaker 3: be weird, though, because Alex has already been on Call
Speaker 3: Her Daddy, she was on in twenty twenty three. I
Speaker 3: guess she could have her on again. They could have
Speaker 3: a fight on Mike. I don't mind what I think.
Speaker 1: Why do you think that podcast drama is suddenly like
Speaker 1: what people on the internet are talking about.
Speaker 3: I really like people fighting. I really like people fighting,
Speaker 3: and I like working out what side I'm on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that brings me to the question which side
Speaker 2: are you on?
Speaker 3: Well, the thing is that Alex Cooper has obviously also
Speaker 3: had a falling out with her ex Call Her Daddy
Speaker 3: co host, And my thing in these things is always,
Speaker 3: are you the type of person who just falls out
Speaker 3: from everybody? Because then you're the problem. But then I
Speaker 3: don't know it was You're tossing up between seventy five
Speaker 3: thousand dollars a year versus like a sixty million dollar contract.
Speaker 3: I don't know, is that worth of friendships?
Speaker 1: Maybe ten friendships?
Speaker 3: Maybe you could have all my friends.
Speaker 1: I'll put them all, send them all to you in
Speaker 1: a Gwyneth gift basket. But the older I get no,
Speaker 1: I'm friends that wouldn't that's disclaimer. You're all worth more
Speaker 1: than sixty millions.
Speaker 3: We're all like we would cut each other, but I
Speaker 3: do reckon. As with anything, there are always two sides,
Speaker 3: and there is always, as you said, Holy age old
Speaker 3: story of what it's like to be the person who's
Speaker 3: being managed versus being the manager.
Speaker 1: And you know, well, we like we get a tiny
Speaker 1: taste of this. Sometimes when something changes, people like there
Speaker 1: must be drama there, and often there is no drama there.
Speaker 1: Like often it's just literally, this is work, and things
Speaker 1: change at work sometimes and like deal with it. But
Speaker 1: I think, but when you go live, when you go
Speaker 1: live on several platforms at once, with the words I
Speaker 1: never normally comment on this kind of stuff, there's some drama.
Speaker 2: I'm just so surprised that someone who had a podcast
Speaker 2: called hot Mess turns out to be a bit mess.
Speaker 4: I know, I know.
Speaker 1: Look, we'll keep you updated on our own podcast Gossips
Speaker 1: as the week goes on out louders, but I think
Speaker 1: that is all we have time for this week.
Speaker 2: You'll know that there's drama when I start saying, hey girl.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you can do the accent and everything.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: I think that's it, friends, I think we've come to
Speaker 1: the end of a very exciting episode. I'm off to
Speaker 1: lightly store.
Speaker 3: I was going to say, if you see us in
Speaker 3: the back of papshot, Yes, Megan, No you didn't, definitely did.
Speaker 1: Thank you to all of you for listening. Thank you
Speaker 1: to our amazing team for putting this show together. We'll
Speaker 1: see you on Friday.
Speaker 2: Bye.
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