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Speaker 1: this podcast is recorded on from MoMA Mia. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick

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Speaker 1: and I'm Tina Berg. Mammy is pop culture and social

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Speaker 1: editor and a resident Taylor Swift expert. Very true as

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Speaker 1: we have learned. So we're here today for a brutally

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Speaker 1: honest review of Taylor Swift's new movie Now. It came

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Speaker 1: into our lives for a brief but interesting moment one weekend,

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Speaker 1: and so we thought we'd bring you a brilli honest

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Speaker 1: review now. If you've listened to our episode earlier in

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Speaker 1: the week about all the secrets of Taylor Sift's new album,

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Speaker 1: that was a bit more technical. It was about the lyrics,

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Speaker 1: The movie is its own beast, it's its own entry

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Speaker 1: But if you wentn't one of the people who got

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Speaker 1: tell you everything that unfolded and all the drama that

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Speaker 1: So the movie came out, as I said, for just

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Speaker 1: We were all very excited. You may be less so well,

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Speaker 1: because if there was an Astrain premiere, we didn't get invited, No,

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Speaker 1: Thank you. But then it introduces Taylor and she does

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Speaker 1: an intro. It introduces Taylor and we get into the movie.

422
00:18:39,424 --> 00:18:41,504
Speaker 1: What is really interesting in this movie is that it

423
00:18:41,584 --> 00:18:43,904
Speaker 1: is as much as it's marketing for the album, it's

424
00:18:43,944 --> 00:18:46,784
Speaker 1: also coming off what you're saying about her interviews, a

425
00:18:46,944 --> 00:18:51,544
Speaker 1: huge exercise in public branding and making her look like

426
00:18:51,664 --> 00:18:54,624
Speaker 1: everyone's best friend, but also a creative force, which we

427
00:18:54,664 --> 00:18:57,984
Speaker 1: already thought of. Yeah, but it starts off with the

428
00:18:58,024 --> 00:19:01,984
Speaker 1: making of the Fate of Ophelia music video, which is

429
00:19:02,024 --> 00:19:04,224
Speaker 1: a thread that goes all the way through. We see

430
00:19:04,224 --> 00:19:08,504
Speaker 1: the music video, which was sickeningly good, Like what did

431
00:19:08,504 --> 00:19:10,224
Speaker 1: you love about it? I think this is the Bibi.

432
00:19:10,744 --> 00:19:13,104
Speaker 1: We see the video, really, she's ever made, the best

433
00:19:13,144 --> 00:19:16,424
Speaker 1: music video she's ever made, I think, So why I'm

434
00:19:16,424 --> 00:19:18,064
Speaker 1: not disagree with you, I'm just so interesting because I

435
00:19:18,144 --> 00:19:20,224
Speaker 1: know that you watch all of them so intently, so

436
00:19:20,304 --> 00:19:21,944
Speaker 1: that really means a lot. And I do think. So

437
00:19:22,744 --> 00:19:24,384
Speaker 1: you get to see it twice, so you get bank

438
00:19:25,064 --> 00:19:27,784
Speaker 1: you do. But I did enjoy seeing it, and then

439
00:19:27,784 --> 00:19:29,624
Speaker 1: obviously they talk through it, so maybe that's also part

440
00:19:29,624 --> 00:19:31,584
Speaker 1: of why I thought it was so much better. So

441
00:19:31,704 --> 00:19:33,784
Speaker 1: if you haven't seen it yet, a lot of the

442
00:19:33,944 --> 00:19:37,664
Speaker 1: segments are one shot takes, which is a very hard

443
00:19:37,744 --> 00:19:39,624
Speaker 1: thing to do, and you need to practice and you

444
00:19:39,664 --> 00:19:41,784
Speaker 1: need to rehearse a lot, but what it usually delivers

445
00:19:41,864 --> 00:19:44,424
Speaker 1: is like something very beautiful. And she had set all

446
00:19:44,504 --> 00:19:48,424
Speaker 1: of hers in different artsy worlds. So first section, she's

447
00:19:48,464 --> 00:19:51,784
Speaker 1: recreating the painting of Ophelia, and then she comes out

448
00:19:51,824 --> 00:19:53,864
Speaker 1: of the painting, and then it turns into her going

449
00:19:53,864 --> 00:19:56,584
Speaker 1: into another painting, and there's all these moving parts around her,

450
00:19:56,824 --> 00:19:59,544
Speaker 1: and then she sort of progresses through various stages of showgirls.

451
00:19:59,544 --> 00:20:01,904
Speaker 1: Which you learn from the film is that she wanted

452
00:20:01,944 --> 00:20:04,944
Speaker 1: the music video to showcase all of the different ways

453
00:20:04,944 --> 00:20:08,064
Speaker 1: that a showgirl may peep and then like it's a

454
00:20:08,104 --> 00:20:10,304
Speaker 1: tenuous link because she kind of calls Ophelia a show

455
00:20:10,864 --> 00:20:12,904
Speaker 1: but she's like in the sense that she was in

456
00:20:12,904 --> 00:20:16,664
Speaker 1: a painting and you're like, all right, like fiantistic purposes

457
00:20:16,704 --> 00:20:18,824
Speaker 1: will go with that and say yes. But she sort

458
00:20:18,864 --> 00:20:21,064
Speaker 1: of goes through, you know, like girls who dance in

459
00:20:21,144 --> 00:20:23,304
Speaker 1: the kickout clubs. She goes through like the girls who

460
00:20:23,304 --> 00:20:26,824
Speaker 1: did like the water performances in their dueled swimsuits, and

461
00:20:26,864 --> 00:20:29,784
Speaker 1: like she does like herself at the end of each

462
00:20:29,864 --> 00:20:31,944
Speaker 1: night of the Eras tour, so she shows what a

463
00:20:32,064 --> 00:20:34,744
Speaker 1: show girl would have looked like through various phases in time.

464
00:20:34,864 --> 00:20:36,584
Speaker 1: There's a moment where she has like a Marilyn moment

465
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Speaker 1: with the blonde wig and like the corset. I just

466
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Speaker 1: thought that it was a very stunning and well choreographed

467
00:20:43,144 --> 00:20:46,144
Speaker 1: routine from the start to finish, and she had all

468
00:20:46,184 --> 00:20:48,464
Speaker 1: of her errors tour dancers, she had her band, she

469
00:20:48,504 --> 00:20:50,624
Speaker 1: had all of these different people popping up. So that

470
00:20:50,704 --> 00:20:52,744
Speaker 1: was also fun because if someone popped up on the screen,

471
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Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, it's Cam, or like oh it's

472
00:20:54,584 --> 00:20:56,544
Speaker 1: this person, or hey, that's her guitar. She her whole

473
00:20:56,664 --> 00:20:58,664
Speaker 1: entire time come to because she really start up the

474
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Speaker 1: errors tour. She always said like, we welcome you to

475
00:21:00,864 --> 00:21:03,344
Speaker 1: the Eras too. We are so excited you're here. At

476
00:21:03,384 --> 00:21:05,984
Speaker 1: the end of the Eras tour, you see the faces

477
00:21:05,984 --> 00:21:08,064
Speaker 1: and names of all the dancers in band flush ups.

478
00:21:08,064 --> 00:21:09,264
Speaker 1: So she was always trying to make it look like

479
00:21:09,304 --> 00:21:11,544
Speaker 1: a community. And I think that's a little nod to

480
00:21:11,624 --> 00:21:13,704
Speaker 1: fans from the Aras tourists, like here's all the dances

481
00:21:13,704 --> 00:21:15,584
Speaker 1: you loved dancing next to me, and they all get

482
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Speaker 1: to have a little part. This making of the music

483
00:21:18,064 --> 00:21:20,704
Speaker 1: video was my favorite part of this movie. I could

484
00:21:20,704 --> 00:21:24,984
Speaker 1: have watched just nineteen interesting. I sound it so interesting

485
00:21:25,224 --> 00:21:27,984
Speaker 1: how she's explaining the setup. We're behind the scenes on

486
00:21:28,064 --> 00:21:30,424
Speaker 1: all of these different shots. And this is when you

487
00:21:30,464 --> 00:21:34,104
Speaker 1: see two parts of Taylor Swift. And because you only

488
00:21:34,184 --> 00:21:37,464
Speaker 1: really see like maybe half an hour of footage, maybe

489
00:21:37,624 --> 00:21:39,904
Speaker 1: not even that twenty minutes the footage of the behind

490
00:21:39,904 --> 00:21:42,024
Speaker 1: the scenes making of and they were doing it for

491
00:21:42,064 --> 00:21:45,064
Speaker 1: such a long time. I'm always really interesting of which

492
00:21:45,224 --> 00:21:47,784
Speaker 1: pieces someone like Taylor Swift, who is in charge of everything,

493
00:21:47,784 --> 00:21:50,784
Speaker 1: which pieces she picks to show, and she shows a

494
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Speaker 1: lot of scenes of her really explaining because she directed

495
00:21:53,784 --> 00:21:56,104
Speaker 1: and wrote the music video and came up and the

496
00:21:56,144 --> 00:21:58,944
Speaker 1: song and she basically she did everything and she really

497
00:21:58,984 --> 00:22:01,384
Speaker 1: wants that to come across the audience. There's a lot

498
00:22:01,384 --> 00:22:05,624
Speaker 1: of different shots of her explaining in very intense detail

499
00:22:05,744 --> 00:22:08,304
Speaker 1: what her vision is where people need to be. You

500
00:22:08,344 --> 00:22:10,664
Speaker 1: see her collaborating with people like Mandy Moore, who's like

501
00:22:10,664 --> 00:22:13,704
Speaker 1: a very famous choreographer. Choreographer, but it's not to make

502
00:22:13,704 --> 00:22:15,864
Speaker 1: confused with many more the actress. No, no, she wasn't

503
00:22:15,864 --> 00:22:18,024
Speaker 1: there that day as far as we know, and so

504
00:22:18,704 --> 00:22:21,264
Speaker 1: we see her really sharing her vision and going back

505
00:22:21,264 --> 00:22:23,664
Speaker 1: and forth and all these sorts of things, and we

506
00:22:23,704 --> 00:22:26,264
Speaker 1: also see her being like, not take charge, but it's

507
00:22:26,344 --> 00:22:28,464
Speaker 1: very clear that she is in charge, and she's saying like, oh,

508
00:22:28,464 --> 00:22:30,704
Speaker 1: She's like, we'll go again. Yeah, she said, we got

509
00:22:30,744 --> 00:22:32,784
Speaker 1: it again, didn't We didn't get it go again this way.

510
00:22:32,824 --> 00:22:34,504
Speaker 1: And then she's also saying to everyone, we have to

511
00:22:34,504 --> 00:22:36,224
Speaker 1: get it in one shop. It has to be one shot.

512
00:22:36,384 --> 00:22:38,064
Speaker 1: We cannot find it in the edit. We have to

513
00:22:38,064 --> 00:22:40,744
Speaker 1: get it now, all these different things, and you see

514
00:22:40,744 --> 00:22:44,464
Speaker 1: her really giving that intense feedback and also being like

515
00:22:44,624 --> 00:22:46,224
Speaker 1: they shoot it, and everyone's like they shoot one of

516
00:22:46,224 --> 00:22:48,384
Speaker 1: the final shots from there in the room partying and

517
00:22:48,424 --> 00:22:50,584
Speaker 1: she looks at them monitor and straight away she's like, no,

518
00:22:50,664 --> 00:22:52,264
Speaker 1: I know you guys think that was good, but it

519
00:22:52,304 --> 00:22:54,264
Speaker 1: needs to be demer, that's not right. We go again.

520
00:22:54,784 --> 00:22:58,344
Speaker 1: And also interestingly watching all the dancers do all these

521
00:22:58,584 --> 00:23:02,184
Speaker 1: very specific moves. It's such a dance heavy video. There's

522
00:23:02,224 --> 00:23:05,304
Speaker 1: so much precision in like the movement of like this

523
00:23:05,344 --> 00:23:07,584
Speaker 1: person comes across the corridor and this person throws a

524
00:23:07,584 --> 00:23:09,864
Speaker 1: football to tailor and then she throws it back and

525
00:23:10,024 --> 00:23:11,984
Speaker 1: this and jumps into the ocean and all this sort

526
00:23:11,984 --> 00:23:15,064
Speaker 1: of stuff, And it's really interesting that none of the

527
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Speaker 1: music plays during that. They do that whole sequence with

528
00:23:18,224 --> 00:23:21,784
Speaker 1: the entire video off clicks. Yeah, it is surprising to

529
00:23:21,784 --> 00:23:24,104
Speaker 1: me that she even sings, because in parts of it

530
00:23:24,144 --> 00:23:26,344
Speaker 1: she was seeing she was that was weird because the

531
00:23:26,384 --> 00:23:28,504
Speaker 1: whole she never does. And I think it's the fact

532
00:23:28,544 --> 00:23:30,824
Speaker 1: that she does trust the errors to our team that

533
00:23:31,024 --> 00:23:33,584
Speaker 1: much that explicitly not enough to play the song, not

534
00:23:33,664 --> 00:23:35,304
Speaker 1: enough to fully play the song. But she also if

535
00:23:35,344 --> 00:23:36,624
Speaker 1: you watch the behind the scenes of like the Me

536
00:23:36,784 --> 00:23:39,464
Speaker 1: music video, it's just the clicks. So they're dancing and

537
00:23:39,784 --> 00:23:41,624
Speaker 1: let me audio it for you guys. It's literally just

538
00:23:41,664 --> 00:23:45,064
Speaker 1: like and you're like, wow, that was great. I can't

539
00:23:45,064 --> 00:23:47,064
Speaker 1: believe we just dance to that. Yeah, because her music

540
00:23:47,104 --> 00:23:49,184
Speaker 1: is under such lock and key that even with her

541
00:23:49,184 --> 00:23:51,664
Speaker 1: most trusted team members, she can't play the She's even

542
00:23:51,744 --> 00:23:54,104
Speaker 1: saying the lyrics out loud, which is like shows how

543
00:23:54,184 --> 00:23:56,264
Speaker 1: much she does actually trust them. But it is strange,

544
00:23:56,304 --> 00:23:58,824
Speaker 1: so like they have all just worked together for so

545
00:23:58,904 --> 00:24:00,344
Speaker 1: long now, and it was nice to see her bring

546
00:24:00,384 --> 00:24:02,504
Speaker 1: them back, but it was kind of weird. And I

547
00:24:02,504 --> 00:24:04,944
Speaker 1: think the point you've sort of made about her directing,

548
00:24:04,984 --> 00:24:06,904
Speaker 1: I do want to say that, like it was all

549
00:24:07,024 --> 00:24:09,664
Speaker 1: very like I want to do the best I can do,

550
00:24:09,984 --> 00:24:11,984
Speaker 1: is how it came across. Not that she ever thought

551
00:24:11,984 --> 00:24:14,104
Speaker 1: someone else didn't do a good enough job. It was

552
00:24:14,104 --> 00:24:16,264
Speaker 1: always like I can do that better. Yeah, I know

553
00:24:16,304 --> 00:24:18,024
Speaker 1: I can nail that better. I know that I can

554
00:24:18,024 --> 00:24:20,104
Speaker 1: do this better. The one was the lighting one in

555
00:24:20,104 --> 00:24:22,184
Speaker 1: the final scene, but otherwise she was like, no, let

556
00:24:22,224 --> 00:24:23,824
Speaker 1: me try one more time. I'm gonna do one more

557
00:24:23,904 --> 00:24:25,744
Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna fall at the right time off

558
00:24:25,744 --> 00:24:28,144
Speaker 1: this ship. I'm just gonna walk down the steps at

559
00:24:28,184 --> 00:24:30,464
Speaker 1: this exact right time. And like, I do think she

560
00:24:30,504 --> 00:24:34,064
Speaker 1: takes that very seriously. Yeah, in that she has been

561
00:24:34,064 --> 00:24:35,984
Speaker 1: criticized for not being a good enough dnswer or not

562
00:24:36,104 --> 00:24:40,064
Speaker 1: being like cool enough, or not having like enough stage presence.

563
00:24:40,064 --> 00:24:41,544
Speaker 1: So I think that's something she tries to really she

564
00:24:41,584 --> 00:24:44,464
Speaker 1: wants you to know how hard she worked. Yeah, exactly,

565
00:24:44,744 --> 00:24:47,744
Speaker 1: And I think maybe this is also her like decades

566
00:24:47,784 --> 00:24:51,184
Speaker 1: early run at an Oscar's Yeah, because she does want

567
00:24:51,184 --> 00:24:53,264
Speaker 1: to get into directing. She's said it before. I think

568
00:24:53,304 --> 00:24:55,544
Speaker 1: she really wants an Oscar. She's come very close. So

569
00:24:55,624 --> 00:24:58,144
Speaker 1: All two l Music video was potentially in the running

570
00:24:58,144 --> 00:25:00,424
Speaker 1: for Best Short Film for the Oscars. It didn't make

571
00:25:00,464 --> 00:25:02,744
Speaker 1: it through to like the final long list. But also

572
00:25:03,024 --> 00:25:06,344
Speaker 1: she had a slam dunk almost with Cats Is that

573
00:25:06,384 --> 00:25:09,664
Speaker 1: she she did everything right, a big screen adaptation of

574
00:25:09,704 --> 00:25:12,784
Speaker 1: a classic Broadway musical. She co wrote a song with

575
00:25:12,904 --> 00:25:16,664
Speaker 1: Andrew Lloyd Webber that was critically acclaimed. In any other

576
00:25:16,704 --> 00:25:19,584
Speaker 1: world except that people hated Cats so much. In any

577
00:25:19,584 --> 00:25:21,984
Speaker 1: other world, she would have at least got an Oscar nomination,

578
00:25:22,184 --> 00:25:24,184
Speaker 1: And that is why she was out promoing and doing

579
00:25:24,224 --> 00:25:26,464
Speaker 1: all the red carpets and things for Cats. Is She

580
00:25:26,544 --> 00:25:29,064
Speaker 1: was like, very soon, I'm going to be at the Oscars,

581
00:25:29,504 --> 00:25:31,944
Speaker 1: and I'm potentially gonna win my first Oscar, which is

582
00:25:31,944 --> 00:25:34,264
Speaker 1: the thing that you can tell she really wants. Yeah,

583
00:25:34,384 --> 00:25:37,304
Speaker 1: so I think she does so and Andrew Lord Webber

584
00:25:37,384 --> 00:25:39,984
Speaker 1: let her down, I know, but she wants that director lifestyle.

585
00:25:40,064 --> 00:25:42,064
Speaker 1: So like, I think this is her showing off her

586
00:25:42,064 --> 00:25:44,784
Speaker 1: skill set for sure, and like making it clear to

587
00:25:44,784 --> 00:25:47,024
Speaker 1: all of us that this is her her skill and

588
00:25:47,224 --> 00:25:49,224
Speaker 1: making it clear that she's just one of the gang.

589
00:25:49,304 --> 00:25:50,904
Speaker 1: That was the other thing that was I thought she

590
00:25:50,944 --> 00:25:54,104
Speaker 1: went to great great pains, And I understand why the

591
00:25:54,224 --> 00:25:58,264
Speaker 1: tiniest little just hint that Taylor Swift treated anyone badly

592
00:25:58,304 --> 00:26:00,824
Speaker 1: on that set, that she was in any way difficult,

593
00:26:00,824 --> 00:26:02,784
Speaker 1: that she in any way said anything to anyone that

594
00:26:02,824 --> 00:26:05,824
Speaker 1: made them upset, would just ruin her in a way

595
00:26:05,864 --> 00:26:07,984
Speaker 1: that it wouldn't so much with other celebrities, because she

596
00:26:08,064 --> 00:26:11,624
Speaker 1: has cultivated this not to enemies, but to her in

597
00:26:11,664 --> 00:26:14,744
Speaker 1: a circle who there's so many stories come out about

598
00:26:14,864 --> 00:26:17,104
Speaker 1: how well she treats her band and unmuly she doesn't.

599
00:26:17,104 --> 00:26:18,744
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, like we get a lot of

600
00:26:18,784 --> 00:26:21,184
Speaker 1: information around that, because it's very clear that her team

601
00:26:21,264 --> 00:26:23,504
Speaker 1: want us to know that she treats her dance as well,

602
00:26:23,544 --> 00:26:25,304
Speaker 1: she treats her band member as well. She keeps people

603
00:26:25,344 --> 00:26:28,064
Speaker 1: with her for a long time. She gives bonuses to people.

604
00:26:28,104 --> 00:26:30,944
Speaker 1: She's very collaborative, and there was a lot of clips

605
00:26:30,944 --> 00:26:34,344
Speaker 1: that were deliberately shown and put in there to show

606
00:26:34,424 --> 00:26:36,824
Speaker 1: her being like one of the gals on the set.

607
00:26:37,184 --> 00:26:39,144
Speaker 1: Like when someone's like, oh, we could have your bread

608
00:26:39,784 --> 00:26:42,344
Speaker 1: in the music video, and because she's been baking this

609
00:26:42,424 --> 00:26:44,304
Speaker 1: out door and she gets sold, she's like, my bread

610
00:26:44,304 --> 00:26:46,184
Speaker 1: in the video. Really, could you think that could happen?

611
00:26:46,224 --> 00:26:47,704
Speaker 1: Do you think it could happen? Do you think it happened?

612
00:26:47,704 --> 00:26:49,384
Speaker 1: I'm like, girl, you're the boss. You can do whatever

613
00:26:49,424 --> 00:26:51,184
Speaker 1: you want. Why are you going and asking everyone on

614
00:26:51,184 --> 00:26:52,704
Speaker 1: the room if your brain's allowed to be in there?

615
00:26:52,704 --> 00:26:55,264
Speaker 1: And then acting like this miracle has occurred. She's like,

616
00:26:55,304 --> 00:26:56,544
Speaker 1: my god, my bread is going to be in a

617
00:26:56,584 --> 00:26:59,344
Speaker 1: music video. I was like, you're in a laughing video

618
00:26:59,944 --> 00:27:02,424
Speaker 1: and you're directed. You can literally put anything you want

619
00:27:02,424 --> 00:27:04,144
Speaker 1: in there. I don't mean that to be nickpicky. I

620
00:27:04,184 --> 00:27:05,744
Speaker 1: don't mean it to be that. I know that's not

621
00:27:05,744 --> 00:27:07,344
Speaker 1: a really mean girl. I just I just meant like,

622
00:27:07,584 --> 00:27:09,624
Speaker 1: I know what you mean. Yeah. The bits that she

623
00:27:09,704 --> 00:27:11,784
Speaker 1: chooses to show, and there's all these moments where she

624
00:27:11,864 --> 00:27:13,544
Speaker 1: kind of walks in and I'm sure she meant it too,

625
00:27:13,584 --> 00:27:15,784
Speaker 1: and she's being like she'll go into every dancer and

626
00:27:15,824 --> 00:27:17,864
Speaker 1: be like, you look beautiful, you look beautiful, you look beautiful.

627
00:27:17,864 --> 00:27:20,224
Speaker 1: You you nailed it, you nailed you nailed It's so good,

628
00:27:20,224 --> 00:27:21,624
Speaker 1: it's so good, it's so good. I'm not saying she

629
00:27:21,664 --> 00:27:23,744
Speaker 1: doesn't talk like that, but I do think she has

630
00:27:23,824 --> 00:27:26,784
Speaker 1: to go above and beyond so that there's no question,

631
00:27:28,024 --> 00:27:31,304
Speaker 1: because there would be a question if she didn't do it. Oh, absolutely, yeah, No,

632
00:27:31,384 --> 00:27:33,264
Speaker 1: she can't do that. She can't like have a normal

633
00:27:33,304 --> 00:27:35,984
Speaker 1: casual work acquaintance. No, No, she can't come in and

634
00:27:36,024 --> 00:27:37,864
Speaker 1: be like, I've had the longest day and I told

635
00:27:37,864 --> 00:27:39,344
Speaker 1: you put that light there. You didn't put it there,

636
00:27:39,664 --> 00:27:43,344
Speaker 1: and which would be very fair, a very fair reaction

637
00:27:43,464 --> 00:27:45,104
Speaker 1: to have. But when you Taylor Swift, you've got to

638
00:27:45,104 --> 00:27:47,384
Speaker 1: be on the whole time. Yeah, And we saw it,

639
00:27:47,624 --> 00:27:49,544
Speaker 1: We did see it. And I think like they spent

640
00:27:49,584 --> 00:27:52,384
Speaker 1: two years together on that stage every other day, and

641
00:27:52,504 --> 00:27:54,944
Speaker 1: like she really on the tour and then now in

642
00:27:54,984 --> 00:27:56,704
Speaker 1: this music video has tried to make it very clear

643
00:27:56,744 --> 00:27:58,944
Speaker 1: that like she sees them as like her friends and family. Yeah,

644
00:27:59,224 --> 00:28:01,304
Speaker 1: like that last one's the show. Once. Now that this

645
00:28:01,424 --> 00:28:03,944
Speaker 1: video is done, who knows, but like it's still nice

646
00:28:03,944 --> 00:28:05,984
Speaker 1: to see them all together and see that, like she

647
00:28:06,224 --> 00:28:08,344
Speaker 1: is going out of her way yet at least try to. Like,

648
00:28:08,624 --> 00:28:10,624
Speaker 1: I wonder how much they got for the music video. Yeah,

649
00:28:10,664 --> 00:28:12,984
Speaker 1: well quite a lot, I'm sure, because she does pay

650
00:28:13,104 --> 00:28:15,384
Speaker 1: very Oh my god, she was tipping them all, like

651
00:28:15,504 --> 00:28:18,104
Speaker 1: here's one hundred K. Like, yeah, I love that when

652
00:28:18,144 --> 00:28:20,264
Speaker 1: you're making that much money too. It's all relative as well.

653
00:28:20,264 --> 00:28:22,264
Speaker 1: It seems like a lot to ask, but for her, Yeah,

654
00:28:22,344 --> 00:28:24,104
Speaker 1: pretty to be a backup dancer for a Taylor Swift,

655
00:28:24,264 --> 00:28:26,944
Speaker 1: get a dollar or two, have some fun, some fun vibes.

656
00:28:29,224 --> 00:28:32,464
Speaker 1: So the most of the movie is we see the

657
00:28:32,584 --> 00:28:36,544
Speaker 1: video play, not once but twice. The phantophilia start at

658
00:28:36,544 --> 00:28:38,904
Speaker 1: the end. Yeah, we see the start, we see the end.

659
00:28:39,224 --> 00:28:41,824
Speaker 1: We see snippets throughout the movie that is the making

660
00:28:41,904 --> 00:28:44,224
Speaker 1: of the video clip. And then the rest of the

661
00:28:44,264 --> 00:28:47,944
Speaker 1: movie is made up of the lyric video of every

662
00:28:47,984 --> 00:28:50,704
Speaker 1: song on the Life of a Show Go album with

663
00:28:50,864 --> 00:28:53,544
Speaker 1: a little intro from Taylor Swift. Now, because everything's so

664
00:28:53,624 --> 00:28:55,384
Speaker 1: set up, the way that she chose to do those

665
00:28:55,424 --> 00:28:58,944
Speaker 1: intros I thought was very interesting. She's seeing a director's chair,

666
00:28:59,184 --> 00:29:02,984
Speaker 1: because she's the director. She's wearing red and she's got

667
00:29:02,984 --> 00:29:05,264
Speaker 1: a matching red lip and she's got a hair tied

668
00:29:05,304 --> 00:29:08,624
Speaker 1: back and like a messy mess pony, messy pony, a

669
00:29:08,744 --> 00:29:11,744
Speaker 1: very like curly fringe like do I'm sure took hours.

670
00:29:11,944 --> 00:29:14,304
Speaker 1: But it's also meant to look like, yeah, she's got

671
00:29:14,344 --> 00:29:15,984
Speaker 1: a red lip on, but she's not overly done up.

672
00:29:15,984 --> 00:29:18,664
Speaker 1: She's a working girl. She's got like boots and socks on,

673
00:29:19,344 --> 00:29:22,264
Speaker 1: and she's looking very like she's about to spring into

674
00:29:22,264 --> 00:29:26,664
Speaker 1: directing action. And it's also mentally very visually beautiful because

675
00:29:26,704 --> 00:29:29,504
Speaker 1: it's Taylor Swis, so her red lip matches her red top,

676
00:29:29,544 --> 00:29:31,584
Speaker 1: and also there's a set behind her which is a

677
00:29:31,584 --> 00:29:35,864
Speaker 1: big floor to ceiling painting, which is yeah, and the

678
00:29:36,384 --> 00:29:38,664
Speaker 1: set with the red in it that matches her top

679
00:29:38,744 --> 00:29:41,384
Speaker 1: and lipstick. So it's all really beautiful. But then we

680
00:29:41,424 --> 00:29:43,904
Speaker 1: see the set has been just nudged over tire a

681
00:29:43,904 --> 00:29:46,344
Speaker 1: little bit, and so you can see behind the scenes

682
00:29:46,384 --> 00:29:49,344
Speaker 1: onto the real set, which looks like behind the scenes

683
00:29:49,344 --> 00:29:52,504
Speaker 1: of a theater, very messy, very chaotic, very creative. So

684
00:29:52,544 --> 00:29:54,904
Speaker 1: it's meant to like show you that whole setup of

685
00:29:54,904 --> 00:29:58,184
Speaker 1: where she's doing the intros. It's meant to show you

686
00:29:58,184 --> 00:30:00,664
Speaker 1: you've come into this beautiful world that she's creative. But

687
00:30:00,704 --> 00:30:02,744
Speaker 1: you're on the set with her, so you're in the

688
00:30:02,784 --> 00:30:05,584
Speaker 1: midst of the chaos. Yeah, you're in the director's share. Yeah,

689
00:30:05,704 --> 00:30:07,624
Speaker 1: you're in with her and you're getting betting the hot

690
00:30:07,664 --> 00:30:09,784
Speaker 1: takes and the special takes. And then she talks for

691
00:30:09,784 --> 00:30:12,624
Speaker 1: forty five seconds about each song. Okay, let's go through

692
00:30:12,904 --> 00:30:16,584
Speaker 1: a lyric video. We go through the intros for all

693
00:30:16,624 --> 00:30:19,264
Speaker 1: the different songs. What I did love about the Fate

694
00:30:19,264 --> 00:30:22,504
Speaker 1: of Ophelia intro, Like everyone makes fun of the whole,

695
00:30:22,544 --> 00:30:24,744
Speaker 1: like because Taylor's we've called herself that English teacher in

696
00:30:24,744 --> 00:30:26,984
Speaker 1: that one post when she got engaged, and like it's

697
00:30:27,064 --> 00:30:28,824
Speaker 1: kind of a joke if like people have said in

698
00:30:28,824 --> 00:30:31,824
Speaker 1: the past, especially with like Folklore Evermore and torture poets,

699
00:30:31,824 --> 00:30:35,024
Speaker 1: that like she waffles too lyrical, like too poetic, whatever.

700
00:30:35,984 --> 00:30:37,464
Speaker 1: She kind of makes a bit of a joke of that.

701
00:30:37,544 --> 00:30:39,344
Speaker 1: But I think there's a lot of chatter online about

702
00:30:39,344 --> 00:30:42,344
Speaker 1: how people expected the Fate of Ophelia song to actually

703
00:30:42,424 --> 00:30:44,984
Speaker 1: be more rooted in the Shakespeare story, and it's like

704
00:30:44,984 --> 00:30:46,984
Speaker 1: that's obviously not. She was going to relate it to

705
00:30:47,024 --> 00:30:48,904
Speaker 1: herself that's not what she was going to do. But

706
00:30:48,944 --> 00:30:51,264
Speaker 1: the introduction is quite funny to the song because she

707
00:30:51,304 --> 00:30:53,544
Speaker 1: talks about how she's like, oh, like, it's just like

708
00:30:53,704 --> 00:30:56,504
Speaker 1: I get so attached to these Shakespeare characters. I love Shakespeare,

709
00:30:56,544 --> 00:30:59,264
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, I don't, but good for you. No,

710
00:30:59,424 --> 00:31:02,024
Speaker 1: we all don't like Shakespeare. We love Shakespeare. But that's

711
00:31:02,024 --> 00:31:04,744
Speaker 1: the way to say everyone you know who does. But

712
00:31:04,864 --> 00:31:07,904
Speaker 1: she acknowledges that. She's like, she acknowledges that she goes,

713
00:31:07,984 --> 00:31:10,464
Speaker 1: I know what a wild thing to say about Shakespeare's

714
00:31:10,504 --> 00:31:12,264
Speaker 1: kind of funny, like she's like whatever, But then she's like,

715
00:31:12,664 --> 00:31:15,024
Speaker 1: every time one of them dies, I get so sad. Yeah,

716
00:31:15,104 --> 00:31:17,664
Speaker 1: well it is famously called a tragedy tail. Yeah, like

717
00:31:17,704 --> 00:31:20,104
Speaker 1: you are meant to be sad. Correct, She's a stute

718
00:31:20,304 --> 00:31:21,904
Speaker 1: and so what she kind of does is try to

719
00:31:21,904 --> 00:31:26,744
Speaker 1: be like I am just gonna like maybe save Ophelia

720
00:31:26,824 --> 00:31:29,144
Speaker 1: from this sad fate. But it's not really about that.

721
00:31:29,184 --> 00:31:30,584
Speaker 1: But she makes a joke of like the Romeo and

722
00:31:30,664 --> 00:31:32,944
Speaker 1: Juliet song, like she's like, I try to save these

723
00:31:32,944 --> 00:31:35,264
Speaker 1: women from their fates, and I'm like, yeah, she's like

724
00:31:35,304 --> 00:31:37,184
Speaker 1: I do that thing I do where I look at Shakespeare,

725
00:31:37,224 --> 00:31:39,424
Speaker 1: and she is, and Shakespeare actually holds up. And I'm like,

726
00:31:39,504 --> 00:31:42,224
Speaker 1: I know that's it to sound dumb, but she's correct.

727
00:31:42,344 --> 00:31:44,424
Speaker 1: Shakespeare does hold up in a way that a lot

728
00:31:44,464 --> 00:31:48,424
Speaker 1: of other literature from that time period, all the decades

729
00:31:48,744 --> 00:31:53,584
Speaker 1: that followed it still inspire an adaptation. And again it's

730
00:31:53,624 --> 00:31:55,904
Speaker 1: I know it's a wild thing to say Shakespeare good,

731
00:31:55,984 --> 00:31:58,744
Speaker 1: but she said it. She went, she went, she's not

732
00:31:58,784 --> 00:32:02,424
Speaker 1: afraid to say controversial things. She's not, and like, you

733
00:32:02,464 --> 00:32:05,464
Speaker 1: know what, good. But the intro is quite funny because

734
00:32:05,464 --> 00:32:07,824
Speaker 1: she is like, Shakespeare holds up and you know, I

735
00:32:07,904 --> 00:32:10,064
Speaker 1: like to save these characters from tragedy because I get

736
00:32:10,104 --> 00:32:11,984
Speaker 1: really sad when they died. Yeah, she's like I love

737
00:32:12,064 --> 00:32:13,464
Speaker 1: to say. Look, She's like, I love to look at

738
00:32:13,464 --> 00:32:15,864
Speaker 1: Shakespeare's stories and say, but what if they got together?

739
00:32:15,984 --> 00:32:18,544
Speaker 1: And also what it cos to me? And it cuts

740
00:32:18,584 --> 00:32:20,864
Speaker 1: to the song You're like, fair enough, fair enough, Taylor

741
00:32:20,904 --> 00:32:23,664
Speaker 1: and I understand. So we had that that was quite funny,

742
00:32:23,744 --> 00:32:25,544
Speaker 1: and also I just enjoyed it because so many people

743
00:32:25,544 --> 00:32:27,664
Speaker 1: have been like, this song's not shakespeare enough, and it's

744
00:32:27,704 --> 00:32:29,624
Speaker 1: like she's just inserting herself in the story. And he

745
00:32:29,744 --> 00:32:31,864
Speaker 1: loved it when she did it film love Story. She

746
00:32:32,304 --> 00:32:35,264
Speaker 1: was taking herself from the idea of atheliare in paintings

747
00:32:35,304 --> 00:32:39,544
Speaker 1: and through artists interpretations rather than Athelia's full story from

748
00:32:39,584 --> 00:32:41,704
Speaker 1: the play. Is what I took from. Famously, I don't

749
00:32:41,704 --> 00:32:44,424
Speaker 1: think Taylor Swift's boyfriends have murdered her father. Yeah, that

750
00:32:44,464 --> 00:32:47,384
Speaker 1: went off. Stay changed For the next album, we learned

751
00:32:47,424 --> 00:32:49,064
Speaker 1: what Opelite was. I'm going to say I didn't know

752
00:32:49,104 --> 00:32:51,824
Speaker 1: what opelite was. Apparently she got it wrong too, So

753
00:32:52,584 --> 00:32:54,544
Speaker 1: I don't know this is sure, Just so you know,

754
00:32:54,584 --> 00:32:57,264
Speaker 1: I'm getting all my opolite information from Taylor's me too,

755
00:32:57,384 --> 00:32:59,984
Speaker 1: so it can't be wrong me too. So yeah, she

756
00:33:00,064 --> 00:33:02,864
Speaker 1: explained what Opelite was, which was like man made opal.

757
00:33:03,624 --> 00:33:05,424
Speaker 1: I want to say, yeah, and then it's like the

758
00:33:05,544 --> 00:33:09,944
Speaker 1: stone for Travis Kelsey's birth mom. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

759
00:33:10,024 --> 00:33:12,264
Speaker 1: and she loud of those incorrect. Well, apparently there's something

760
00:33:12,304 --> 00:33:14,264
Speaker 1: to do with being man made. Is it's not exactly

761
00:33:14,304 --> 00:33:17,024
Speaker 1: the same as like man made diamonds and stuff. I mean,

762
00:33:17,024 --> 00:33:18,744
Speaker 1: I feel like people got to be technical on the

763
00:33:18,784 --> 00:33:20,944
Speaker 1: fake rocks. All she said was that she and her mum.

764
00:33:21,024 --> 00:33:22,824
Speaker 1: It's so funny because this is where the press and

765
00:33:22,864 --> 00:33:25,904
Speaker 1: the movie were butting heads because people were saying well,

766
00:33:25,944 --> 00:33:29,184
Speaker 1: in the interviews, she said that opal was linked to

767
00:33:29,184 --> 00:33:32,104
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey and in the movie she said opal's are

768
00:33:32,104 --> 00:33:34,584
Speaker 1: a special thing that she and her mum shared. One

769
00:33:34,584 --> 00:33:36,264
Speaker 1: of us she has one of the many things we

770
00:33:36,344 --> 00:33:39,584
Speaker 1: share together, and Opalite is the idea of making your

771
00:33:39,584 --> 00:33:41,784
Speaker 1: own luck and making your own happy ending. Yeah, And

772
00:33:41,824 --> 00:33:43,624
Speaker 1: people got upset about that, and I was like, I

773
00:33:43,704 --> 00:33:45,464
Speaker 1: do think what you're saying is true. It's probably just both.

774
00:33:45,504 --> 00:33:47,624
Speaker 1: It's probably just both, but it was. Yeah, that was

775
00:33:47,664 --> 00:33:49,464
Speaker 1: the vibe of what she said about Opalite was that

776
00:33:49,544 --> 00:33:51,504
Speaker 1: it was like taking something man made and making it

777
00:33:51,504 --> 00:33:53,344
Speaker 1: for yourself. And that's how she feels about the romance

778
00:33:53,344 --> 00:33:56,304
Speaker 1: with Travis Kelsey, that they had the opportunity to create

779
00:33:56,304 --> 00:33:58,464
Speaker 1: something and she's never made anything. I think the line

780
00:33:58,504 --> 00:34:00,424
Speaker 1: is like, I've never made anything as beautiful as this,

781
00:34:00,544 --> 00:34:06,744
Speaker 1: or Opalite is my favorite song. Yeah, that's a controversial take. Well,

782
00:34:06,864 --> 00:34:09,024
Speaker 1: some people hate song, but like she does all these

783
00:34:09,024 --> 00:34:11,424
Speaker 1: o's that sound christmasy and there's like a jangly bell.

784
00:34:11,504 --> 00:34:13,424
Speaker 1: It's kind of like when Little Mix released that like

785
00:34:13,864 --> 00:34:16,104
Speaker 1: love Me Like You, and it just sounds like a

786
00:34:16,144 --> 00:34:18,024
Speaker 1: Christmas song, even though it's not. That's how I feel

787
00:34:18,024 --> 00:34:20,544
Speaker 1: about Opaali. And she also just said that she writes

788
00:34:20,584 --> 00:34:23,144
Speaker 1: down words that she thinks are interesting when she hears them.

789
00:34:23,184 --> 00:34:25,064
Speaker 1: So she wrote down opaline and then she just works

790
00:34:25,104 --> 00:34:27,184
Speaker 1: them into a song. Yeah, which doesn't sound groundbreaking, but

791
00:34:27,224 --> 00:34:28,984
Speaker 1: I just love that she's got a notes out for Yeah,

792
00:34:29,024 --> 00:34:30,664
Speaker 1: she said a couple times she was like, I've got

793
00:34:30,664 --> 00:34:33,184
Speaker 1: a long list in my phone that I just scroll

794
00:34:33,304 --> 00:34:37,304
Speaker 1: through and then someone has a beat or a melody

795
00:34:37,504 --> 00:34:39,344
Speaker 1: that suits, and then it's one of the words. How

796
00:34:39,384 --> 00:34:41,224
Speaker 1: that could fit? Man, I love to see that notes.

797
00:34:41,264 --> 00:34:43,184
Speaker 1: That's just so creative what's in her. But she was

798
00:34:43,184 --> 00:34:45,664
Speaker 1: funny because she was like, some of its trash. Yeah, yeah,

799
00:34:45,664 --> 00:34:48,024
Speaker 1: I bet it is. Everyone's ideas like that. So she

800
00:34:48,104 --> 00:34:50,624
Speaker 1: goes through the different intros to song. The one that

801
00:34:50,704 --> 00:34:53,264
Speaker 1: gets the biggest laugh in our cinema with the six

802
00:34:53,264 --> 00:34:55,024
Speaker 1: people who are in there, but also I've seen other

803
00:34:55,024 --> 00:34:57,144
Speaker 1: cinemas that are packed. Yeah, the one that gets the

804
00:34:57,184 --> 00:34:59,344
Speaker 1: biggest laugh is the introduction to Wood. Would you like

805
00:34:59,344 --> 00:35:02,384
Speaker 1: to tell people what she said there? Well? Wood is

806
00:35:02,384 --> 00:35:05,584
Speaker 1: the song about Travis Kelsey's penis. Yeah, and oh it's

807
00:35:05,624 --> 00:35:07,944
Speaker 1: not just about that, It's about how sexy times are,

808
00:35:08,184 --> 00:35:12,384
Speaker 1: and she introduces that song as like it's all about

809
00:35:12,384 --> 00:35:17,144
Speaker 1: superstitious yep, she's like stepping on her crack knocking on wood.

810
00:35:17,504 --> 00:35:21,184
Speaker 1: Like she just does it in this really silly, nonchalant tailorway,

811
00:35:21,304 --> 00:35:23,664
Speaker 1: but where she can't be that joky, and so she's

812
00:35:23,664 --> 00:35:25,464
Speaker 1: got this like silly little grin on her face. So

813
00:35:25,504 --> 00:35:27,464
Speaker 1: that's the thing is that the movie was like a

814
00:35:27,504 --> 00:35:30,744
Speaker 1: G rated movie because I think she was so aware

815
00:35:30,744 --> 00:35:32,464
Speaker 1: that she has a really young fan base, and we

816
00:35:32,504 --> 00:35:34,704
Speaker 1: saw heaps of kids being taken to the cinema by

817
00:35:34,744 --> 00:35:38,144
Speaker 1: their parents, and so when she's talking about wood, she's like,

818
00:35:38,184 --> 00:35:40,304
Speaker 1: it's about black cats and stepping on cracks and things

819
00:35:40,304 --> 00:35:42,184
Speaker 1: like that, and she just stops, looks at the camera

820
00:35:42,224 --> 00:35:44,464
Speaker 1: and everyone laughs because they're like, hah, it's about penises. Yeah.

821
00:35:44,504 --> 00:35:46,584
Speaker 1: And then but also Laura hasn't heard the songs at

822
00:35:46,584 --> 00:35:48,904
Speaker 1: this point. No, So then in the cinema it was

823
00:35:48,944 --> 00:35:51,464
Speaker 1: all the clean versions and all that. Yeah, that's interesting,

824
00:35:51,504 --> 00:35:53,024
Speaker 1: isn't it. As all the songs come on, I'm like

825
00:35:53,024 --> 00:35:54,944
Speaker 1: whispering to Laura and telling her what it is. And

826
00:35:55,024 --> 00:35:56,544
Speaker 1: then yeah, I want to have this sounded to the

827
00:35:56,544 --> 00:35:58,424
Speaker 1: people behind its because across the screen it comes up.

828
00:35:58,624 --> 00:36:01,904
Speaker 1: That was the key that opened my skies, and I

829
00:36:02,064 --> 00:36:03,784
Speaker 1: did know some part of me knew that was not

830
00:36:03,824 --> 00:36:06,184
Speaker 1: the right lyrics, and the new lean over really lowling go,

831
00:36:06,744 --> 00:36:09,864
Speaker 1: the real lyric is the key that opened my thighs

832
00:36:10,544 --> 00:36:12,944
Speaker 1: and a few times and I was like, I get it,

833
00:36:13,024 --> 00:36:15,424
Speaker 1: I get it. I'm listening to the clean version. So

834
00:36:15,464 --> 00:36:18,024
Speaker 1: that got a big laugh. And then the women next

835
00:36:18,024 --> 00:36:19,424
Speaker 1: to me were having a great time because I was

836
00:36:19,424 --> 00:36:22,184
Speaker 1: having to tell you everything. They really enjoyed what we spoke.

837
00:36:24,184 --> 00:36:26,464
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was a whispers and they al whispring

838
00:36:26,544 --> 00:36:28,664
Speaker 1: to like everyone was having a little chatter. Well, it

839
00:36:28,744 --> 00:36:33,824
Speaker 1: was I hate talking in movies, as you know. Don't

840
00:36:33,864 --> 00:36:35,624
Speaker 1: talk to me, don't talk to anyone else, don't look

841
00:36:35,624 --> 00:36:37,944
Speaker 1: at your phone, which I didn't do. I think you're

842
00:36:37,984 --> 00:36:41,384
Speaker 1: in the movies dead silence except for laughter and maybe

843
00:36:41,384 --> 00:36:43,384
Speaker 1: a gasp bef you're a scaredy cat. It's fine and

844
00:36:43,464 --> 00:36:45,384
Speaker 1: tells the movie because that was designed for people to

845
00:36:45,424 --> 00:36:47,584
Speaker 1: talk and clap and sing along, and it was a

846
00:36:47,584 --> 00:36:49,184
Speaker 1: lot of just lyrics on the screen. So what else

847
00:36:49,184 --> 00:36:53,024
Speaker 1: are you gonna do? Yes, going into the actually romantic

848
00:36:53,304 --> 00:36:56,704
Speaker 1: that was probably one of the longest intros and she

849
00:36:56,824 --> 00:36:58,944
Speaker 1: really goes to town in that Yeah. So that is the

850
00:36:58,984 --> 00:37:01,504
Speaker 1: introduction to the song that is believed to be about

851
00:37:01,584 --> 00:37:04,944
Speaker 1: Charlie XCX and the relationship that they have. Yes, and

852
00:37:04,984 --> 00:37:07,984
Speaker 1: she sort of introduces the song as like being about

853
00:37:08,424 --> 00:37:11,384
Speaker 1: when you don't even realize that you were a part

854
00:37:11,424 --> 00:37:13,984
Speaker 1: of somebody else's story and you don't even realize like

855
00:37:14,304 --> 00:37:17,184
Speaker 1: what you mean to them because you've just been living

856
00:37:17,224 --> 00:37:19,264
Speaker 1: your life and then they do something that makes it

857
00:37:19,344 --> 00:37:21,944
Speaker 1: clear that like they don't like you, or they have

858
00:37:21,984 --> 00:37:24,264
Speaker 1: an opinion of you, or they're talking about you behind

859
00:37:24,304 --> 00:37:27,544
Speaker 1: your back, and like you're like, oh, I didn't even

860
00:37:27,584 --> 00:37:30,224
Speaker 1: know that. Yeah, But she puts on this like if

861
00:37:30,224 --> 00:37:32,344
Speaker 1: you've heard the song, you'd know exactly what kind of

862
00:37:32,384 --> 00:37:34,784
Speaker 1: voice she'd put on, because she's doing a bit of like,

863
00:37:35,184 --> 00:37:39,464
Speaker 1: oh sweetie, it's like you think me sweetie coded Yeah,

864
00:37:39,944 --> 00:37:42,304
Speaker 1: like which is She later has a song where she's

865
00:37:42,344 --> 00:37:44,664
Speaker 1: talking about how condescending it is when people talk to

866
00:37:44,664 --> 00:37:48,064
Speaker 1: her that way, but she's like the vibe is like oh,

867
00:37:48,104 --> 00:37:50,104
Speaker 1: and then she does a little she's a little ciss

868
00:37:50,144 --> 00:37:53,504
Speaker 1: to her camera is the most cutthroat thing I've ever seen.

869
00:37:53,544 --> 00:37:56,264
Speaker 1: So Yes, she does one of the longer intros to

870
00:37:56,344 --> 00:37:58,144
Speaker 1: this song, because you can tell you'd a lot to say.

871
00:37:58,344 --> 00:38:01,024
Speaker 1: She even, I don't think I'm imagining this, and I

872
00:38:01,064 --> 00:38:03,264
Speaker 1: think it's true. She sits up a bit straight up,

873
00:38:03,384 --> 00:38:05,944
Speaker 1: she leans it forward in that director's chair, and she

874
00:38:06,024 --> 00:38:09,184
Speaker 1: talks about the people who are so obsessed with her,

875
00:38:09,264 --> 00:38:12,104
Speaker 1: and she doesn't even Rea, and she goes in our industry,

876
00:38:12,144 --> 00:38:14,664
Speaker 1: attention is like the main reward. So thank you for that,

877
00:38:15,344 --> 00:38:18,904
Speaker 1: and yes, and then she blows a kiss into the camera,

878
00:38:19,264 --> 00:38:21,384
Speaker 1: but it's not for us the audience. I felt like

879
00:38:21,424 --> 00:38:24,304
Speaker 1: it went right over her yeah, and smacked into the

880
00:38:24,304 --> 00:38:27,664
Speaker 1: faces of all her I literally this intro was so

881
00:38:28,024 --> 00:38:32,104
Speaker 1: like suckering and like, do you want to say what?

882
00:38:32,144 --> 00:38:35,264
Speaker 1: You whispered in my ear when she was Oh, no,

883
00:38:35,304 --> 00:38:38,344
Speaker 1: I know I can't because I'm a lady. I can't

884
00:38:38,384 --> 00:38:40,664
Speaker 1: say it on a podcast, but I say it will

885
00:38:40,664 --> 00:38:43,624
Speaker 1: bleep it. No, I won't, I scoffed out loud. You did.

886
00:38:43,664 --> 00:38:46,904
Speaker 1: Put my head in my hands, laughed, and the woman

887
00:38:46,944 --> 00:38:49,104
Speaker 1: next to me started laughing, like at me and not

888
00:38:49,144 --> 00:38:50,744
Speaker 1: next year. Because it's an empty cinema. She's a few

889
00:38:50,744 --> 00:38:52,984
Speaker 1: seats away. She started giggling, but she was happy because

890
00:38:53,024 --> 00:38:54,584
Speaker 1: she smiled at me, and she was like, yeah, because

891
00:38:54,584 --> 00:38:57,184
Speaker 1: everyone knows the guy behind us is like, oh Charlie.

892
00:38:57,584 --> 00:39:01,464
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, oh god. And I that reaction she wanted us.

893
00:39:01,464 --> 00:39:03,744
Speaker 1: I said a swear word to Laura, and I said,

894
00:39:03,784 --> 00:39:08,464
Speaker 1: she's up. But I mentioned indering way. I don't know

895
00:39:08,704 --> 00:39:10,064
Speaker 1: that's what I got from it. You said it the

896
00:39:10,064 --> 00:39:11,864
Speaker 1: way you talk about one of your best friends who

897
00:39:12,224 --> 00:39:14,064
Speaker 1: off in the corner doing something at a party, like oh,

898
00:39:14,104 --> 00:39:19,264
Speaker 1: she's such a bitch. Sometimes said way work no more.

899
00:39:19,944 --> 00:39:23,424
Speaker 1: It's all I said, a nice complimentary word, but she

900
00:39:23,504 --> 00:39:25,944
Speaker 1: did say it like, I think the relationship you have

901
00:39:26,104 --> 00:39:28,104
Speaker 1: watching this movie and a lot of people around us

902
00:39:28,104 --> 00:39:30,824
Speaker 1: were having it was like watching a very close friend

903
00:39:31,104 --> 00:39:33,104
Speaker 1: ye be in a public space and we all have

904
00:39:33,144 --> 00:39:35,264
Speaker 1: that thing close friends where you're just like, oh my god,

905
00:39:35,264 --> 00:39:36,704
Speaker 1: I love them. Oh I hate when she says that,

906
00:39:36,744 --> 00:39:38,224
Speaker 1: Oh of course she's going to tell the story again.

907
00:39:38,304 --> 00:39:39,904
Speaker 1: Oh look, I'm so proud of her. There she goes, like,

908
00:39:39,984 --> 00:39:42,944
Speaker 1: we're all having that kind of moment watching her in this.

909
00:39:43,144 --> 00:39:44,864
Speaker 1: And if one of my friends behave the way that

910
00:39:44,944 --> 00:39:48,624
Speaker 1: this was of this giggly like winky face kissed the

911
00:39:48,704 --> 00:39:51,744
Speaker 1: camera like hah, you are jealous of me? Or you

912
00:39:51,784 --> 00:39:54,264
Speaker 1: love me like I would have the same reaction of

913
00:39:54,304 --> 00:39:55,904
Speaker 1: Like it was like put your head in your hands,

914
00:39:56,024 --> 00:39:58,984
Speaker 1: laugh at how ridiculous the situation is. And like genuinely

915
00:39:59,024 --> 00:40:01,384
Speaker 1: she made me laugh. I thought it was so funny.

916
00:40:01,584 --> 00:40:04,544
Speaker 1: I knew she was going to say God, but it

917
00:40:04,624 --> 00:40:07,384
Speaker 1: was funny. The other interesting intro was for Cancel, which

918
00:40:07,384 --> 00:40:09,464
Speaker 1: everyone thinks is about like a number of famous That

919
00:40:09,584 --> 00:40:12,424
Speaker 1: made me think Sophie Turner, Blake Lively and she was

920
00:40:12,464 --> 00:40:15,464
Speaker 1: saying in that intro that she's been canceled so many

921
00:40:15,504 --> 00:40:17,504
Speaker 1: times and she feels so deeply what that is like.

922
00:40:17,944 --> 00:40:20,464
Speaker 1: And she said she's become the person in all of

923
00:40:20,464 --> 00:40:23,704
Speaker 1: these famous circles where the moment someone feels like they're

924
00:40:23,704 --> 00:40:26,224
Speaker 1: getting canceled, they call Taylor Swift and she says, I

925
00:40:26,304 --> 00:40:28,664
Speaker 1: always say the same thing. I know, I know, I

926
00:40:28,704 --> 00:40:30,224
Speaker 1: understand it's going to be okay, do you want to

927
00:40:30,224 --> 00:40:33,384
Speaker 1: go for lunch? Yeah? You're saying that, like seeing the

928
00:40:33,384 --> 00:40:36,784
Speaker 1: word like cause okay. These lyric videos are like Taylor

929
00:40:36,824 --> 00:40:40,424
Speaker 1: Swift got free license to do a boomerang under a kaleidoscope. Yeah,

930
00:40:40,464 --> 00:40:42,504
Speaker 1: because that's all it is. I think they're on YouTube

931
00:40:42,504 --> 00:40:44,144
Speaker 1: now and you can look them up. But it's like

932
00:40:44,544 --> 00:40:47,064
Speaker 1: one short snippet all from the Fate of Ophelia music video,

933
00:40:47,064 --> 00:40:49,184
Speaker 1: which we've already seen, so an outfit we've already seen

934
00:40:49,264 --> 00:40:52,304
Speaker 1: on a short loopy boomerang and then in a weird

935
00:40:52,344 --> 00:40:55,584
Speaker 1: kaleidoscopy shape where sometimes a fun color peeks through and

936
00:40:55,664 --> 00:40:57,464
Speaker 1: like so it's like a bit of razzle dazzle on nothing,

937
00:40:57,504 --> 00:40:59,544
Speaker 1: and then there's words on the screen. They're not exciting,

938
00:40:59,584 --> 00:41:01,744
Speaker 1: they're just lyric videos. Yeah, but they're exciting if you've

939
00:41:01,744 --> 00:41:03,504
Speaker 1: seen them for the first time, like I was. But

940
00:41:03,504 --> 00:41:05,344
Speaker 1: it's also like I was obviously having a great time

941
00:41:05,344 --> 00:41:07,384
Speaker 1: because I kept poking Laura and adding things. But that

942
00:41:07,584 --> 00:41:09,704
Speaker 1: seeing the words on the screen, combined with what she

943
00:41:09,784 --> 00:41:11,864
Speaker 1: said about that like should we go for lunch, it

944
00:41:11,944 --> 00:41:15,344
Speaker 1: clicked for me. I was like, Oh, this part's referencing

945
00:41:15,384 --> 00:41:17,824
Speaker 1: Sophie Turner, the thing that she wanted everyone to know

946
00:41:18,064 --> 00:41:20,024
Speaker 1: as we watched that music video for the first time,

947
00:41:20,024 --> 00:41:21,904
Speaker 1: that Larry video, she wanted us to know it was

948
00:41:21,904 --> 00:41:23,944
Speaker 1: about Sophie Turner, which I thought was really interesting that

949
00:41:23,944 --> 00:41:26,824
Speaker 1: that's the name she picked out to really kind of

950
00:41:26,864 --> 00:41:29,224
Speaker 1: sell to us as part of the song because everyone

951
00:41:29,224 --> 00:41:31,104
Speaker 1: thought it was more of a blake thing. Everyone thinks

952
00:41:31,144 --> 00:41:34,024
Speaker 1: it's blake, but like saying like go to lunch and stuff,

953
00:41:34,064 --> 00:41:36,944
Speaker 1: and then the line essentially that made me realize it

954
00:41:36,984 --> 00:41:38,784
Speaker 1: and seeing it on the screen made me realize quite

955
00:41:38,784 --> 00:41:40,344
Speaker 1: a few of the lines that tighter blake that ted

956
00:41:40,384 --> 00:41:42,584
Speaker 1: to Sophie was the one like did they catch you

957
00:41:42,624 --> 00:41:44,984
Speaker 1: having too much fun? Because that was the whole Sophie

958
00:41:44,984 --> 00:41:47,984
Speaker 1: and Joe thing was that people were like, she's about partying,

959
00:41:48,064 --> 00:41:50,144
Speaker 1: Joe's just to stay at home, Daddy can't keep up

960
00:41:50,144 --> 00:41:52,904
Speaker 1: with her crazy girl lifestyle. She's having too much fun

961
00:41:53,024 --> 00:41:56,224
Speaker 1: for her mother. And then next minute, Sophie's staying at

962
00:41:56,224 --> 00:41:58,984
Speaker 1: Taylor's apartment, She's being taken out to dinner by Taylor

963
00:41:59,024 --> 00:42:00,704
Speaker 1: Swift where everyone's going to see them and they're going

964
00:42:00,744 --> 00:42:03,744
Speaker 1: to get photographed. Like that was like as much as

965
00:42:03,744 --> 00:42:05,904
Speaker 1: people might think, oh no, like that wasn't that bad,

966
00:42:05,984 --> 00:42:09,104
Speaker 1: Sophie was being absolutely canceled over nothing at that point

967
00:42:09,144 --> 00:42:12,304
Speaker 1: in time. And it didn't work because Taylor stepped in, Like,

968
00:42:12,544 --> 00:42:14,104
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows if that will work again if

969
00:42:14,144 --> 00:42:16,264
Speaker 1: Taylor has that power, but she put a stop to

970
00:42:16,344 --> 00:42:19,304
Speaker 1: it just with her own star power, and everyone turned

971
00:42:19,344 --> 00:42:21,824
Speaker 1: around and changed their minds but it was very clear

972
00:42:21,904 --> 00:42:25,104
Speaker 1: what was attempted by Joe's team in the press at

973
00:42:25,104 --> 00:42:27,944
Speaker 1: that point in time. It's well documented. And then likewise

974
00:42:27,984 --> 00:42:30,504
Speaker 1: about Blake, like seeing it on screen, you're like, oh, yeah,

975
00:42:30,504 --> 00:42:32,744
Speaker 1: she is talking about flowers. Oh she is talking about

976
00:42:32,784 --> 00:42:34,704
Speaker 1: girl bossing too close to the Sun something that was

977
00:42:34,744 --> 00:42:37,104
Speaker 1: said about them. Oh, she's saying this thing like it

978
00:42:37,224 --> 00:42:39,304
Speaker 1: just sort of made. That was the one lyric video

979
00:42:39,344 --> 00:42:41,944
Speaker 1: where I watched it and I went, oh, yeah, right,

980
00:42:42,264 --> 00:42:43,744
Speaker 1: even though I'd been listening to it, I just I

981
00:42:43,784 --> 00:42:45,424
Speaker 1: don't know, for some reason, seeing it on the screen

982
00:42:45,904 --> 00:42:48,264
Speaker 1: worked for me. Yeah, exactly. And then the last intro

983
00:42:48,344 --> 00:42:50,904
Speaker 1: we would talk about is the one for Father Figure,

984
00:42:50,944 --> 00:42:52,744
Speaker 1: because that was also a bit of a lengthy one,

985
00:42:52,784 --> 00:42:55,224
Speaker 1: and you could see that she came into that with

986
00:42:55,304 --> 00:42:58,544
Speaker 1: a very deliberate plan of what she wanted us to think. Yeah,

987
00:42:58,544 --> 00:43:01,144
Speaker 1: so she starts off in that introduction by talking about

988
00:43:01,784 --> 00:43:05,864
Speaker 1: her experience in the industry and like why she interpolated

989
00:43:05,904 --> 00:43:08,784
Speaker 1: that song and she sort of says that like George

990
00:43:08,784 --> 00:43:12,464
Speaker 1: Michael's song obviously to talk about more of a romantic relationship,

991
00:43:12,464 --> 00:43:14,344
Speaker 1: but she always loved the line of like I can

992
00:43:14,384 --> 00:43:16,984
Speaker 1: be your father figure. Yeah, and she wanted to apply

993
00:43:17,024 --> 00:43:19,384
Speaker 1: it to the industry and the experiences that she'd had,

994
00:43:19,384 --> 00:43:22,464
Speaker 1: and to the narrative story of an engine you and

995
00:43:22,624 --> 00:43:26,024
Speaker 1: the person who promises to mentor them and the things

996
00:43:26,024 --> 00:43:27,944
Speaker 1: that go wrong and all of the problems that people

997
00:43:27,944 --> 00:43:32,064
Speaker 1: can face. But she really really took the time and

998
00:43:32,104 --> 00:43:35,064
Speaker 1: again kind of sat forward, and what people think is

999
00:43:35,104 --> 00:43:38,664
Speaker 1: that she explains that it was really important to her

1000
00:43:38,784 --> 00:43:42,664
Speaker 1: to get permission from George Michael's estate and from his

1001
00:43:42,784 --> 00:43:45,224
Speaker 1: family before she ever touched the song. She knew she

1002
00:43:45,264 --> 00:43:47,664
Speaker 1: had an idea. She didn't want to do anything until

1003
00:43:47,704 --> 00:43:50,264
Speaker 1: she had explicit permission and she had the rights to

1004
00:43:50,304 --> 00:43:54,144
Speaker 1: the music, and given the context and the themes of

1005
00:43:54,184 --> 00:43:56,904
Speaker 1: the song, which is essentially like thinking you can trust somebody,

1006
00:43:56,984 --> 00:44:00,184
Speaker 1: this father figure, and then them turning on you, or

1007
00:44:00,584 --> 00:44:04,184
Speaker 1: perhaps like you just protecting yourself, Like there's a lot

1008
00:44:04,224 --> 00:44:06,504
Speaker 1: of weird themes in there. People think that part of

1009
00:44:06,504 --> 00:44:09,744
Speaker 1: that is a bit of shade towards Olivia Rodrigo, who

1010
00:44:10,064 --> 00:44:13,264
Speaker 1: did interpolate some of Taylor's music without permission, and she

1011
00:44:13,424 --> 00:44:15,664
Speaker 1: then had to give credit to her because their teams

1012
00:44:15,704 --> 00:44:18,944
Speaker 1: demanded credit, and then they sort of had an industry

1013
00:44:18,984 --> 00:44:21,584
Speaker 1: falling out where it's never really been addressed, but we

1014
00:44:21,624 --> 00:44:23,944
Speaker 1: know that they were once like Taylor was calling her

1015
00:44:23,944 --> 00:44:25,784
Speaker 1: her daughter, she was giving her the first access to

1016
00:44:25,824 --> 00:44:28,544
Speaker 1: Fearless Taylor's version. They were really really involved with each other,

1017
00:44:28,824 --> 00:44:31,584
Speaker 1: and then suddenly it was like no longer. So there

1018
00:44:31,664 --> 00:44:33,424
Speaker 1: is believed to be a bit of bad blood there

1019
00:44:33,464 --> 00:44:37,104
Speaker 1: between them, and people think that the commentary before this

1020
00:44:37,144 --> 00:44:40,264
Speaker 1: song playing means that she's hinting that part of this

1021
00:44:40,504 --> 00:44:43,384
Speaker 1: is revolving around the relationship between her and Olivia and I.

1022
00:44:43,664 --> 00:44:45,224
Speaker 1: It's probably like quite a lot of truth to that,

1023
00:44:45,304 --> 00:44:48,464
Speaker 1: because the thing is, she does the intros for twelve songs.

1024
00:44:48,464 --> 00:44:51,824
Speaker 1: They're very short intros, even the one where she kind

1025
00:44:51,824 --> 00:44:53,584
Speaker 1: of like where she's talking about her enemies, which grows

1026
00:44:53,624 --> 00:44:56,264
Speaker 1: slightly longer, So they're very short. And she spent a

1027
00:44:56,304 --> 00:44:58,744
Speaker 1: lot of time putting this project together and all her face,

1028
00:44:58,824 --> 00:45:01,344
Speaker 1: her image, her like everything about her on the line,

1029
00:45:01,384 --> 00:45:04,104
Speaker 1: So everything about those intros of what she's going to

1030
00:45:04,144 --> 00:45:07,984
Speaker 1: say for two minutes is chosen so specifically and so carefully,

1031
00:45:07,984 --> 00:45:10,224
Speaker 1: and she would have written and rehearsed about what she

1032
00:45:10,424 --> 00:45:13,144
Speaker 1: wants to say, so looking at what she chose to include,

1033
00:45:13,544 --> 00:45:16,104
Speaker 1: and especially that tidbit of like of really getting into

1034
00:45:16,144 --> 00:45:18,264
Speaker 1: ownership of music and what is the right thing to do.

1035
00:45:18,304 --> 00:45:21,864
Speaker 1: It feels very deliberate. Yeah, oh, Taylor doesn't say anything

1036
00:45:21,904 --> 00:45:23,864
Speaker 1: without thinking about what it's going to mean. But like

1037
00:45:23,904 --> 00:45:27,424
Speaker 1: maybe off the cuff, but not in a filmed, curated

1038
00:45:27,464 --> 00:45:29,144
Speaker 1: woe Mian where she's literally in a director stoe So

1039
00:45:29,264 --> 00:45:32,744
Speaker 1: she's literally directing exactly what she's doing and wants being perceived. Yeah. No,

1040
00:45:32,784 --> 00:45:35,144
Speaker 1: that was all on purpose for sure. Yeah, so I

1041
00:45:35,144 --> 00:45:37,464
Speaker 1: mean overall, so yes, it was nineteen minutes. We went

1042
00:45:37,464 --> 00:45:39,464
Speaker 1: to the theater to see it. It was the phato

1043
00:45:39,504 --> 00:45:42,104
Speaker 1: Ophelia music video twice. I must say it did hit hard.

1044
00:45:42,144 --> 00:45:44,144
Speaker 1: At the second time, I was very grateful they showed

1045
00:45:44,144 --> 00:45:47,464
Speaker 1: me again. Ending on a lyric video wouldn't have been fun. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it wouldn't have hit the same way. Did it deserve

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Speaker 1: to be in cinemas? Potentially not not at all if

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Speaker 1: you're what most people are saying, because at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, it was a few snippets and lyric

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Speaker 1: video is in any other artists would have put that

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Speaker 1: on YouTube. But I do think it was a smart

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Speaker 1: move of her to put it in cinemas because the

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Speaker 1: fandom was there, and if you build up the fandom,

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Speaker 1: then maybe you deserve to also put it in and

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Speaker 1: ticket sales don't lie. Yeah, and it's exactly what it

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Speaker 1: promised to be. That's the thing. It was, as we said,

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Speaker 1: maybe sold us a little bit more of like an

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Speaker 1: exclusive thing. Yeah, and then she's out doing every press

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Speaker 1: under the sun saying the exactly Yeah. Well, I think

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Speaker 1: sometimes I thought there would be a bit more behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes stuff and at least small snippets that we

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Speaker 1: saw I did. I thought it was going to be

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Speaker 1: a bit more. But also it was like lyric videos

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Speaker 1: will be playing on the screen and that I just

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Speaker 1: didn't think people thought that was going to be as

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Speaker 1: much as it was. No, but a lot of people

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Speaker 1: weren'tnhappy about that, so and like there we go. Kind

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Speaker 1: of it was pretty much what was advertised. But also

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Speaker 1: in that sense like that's, you know, a cash grab,

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Speaker 1: and I'm okay with that because I don't have to

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Speaker 1: spend the cash if I don't want to. But a

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Speaker 1: lot of people take coverage with that, and that's fair enough.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to be supportive of the fact that

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Speaker 1: Taylor does love to get a dollar, she loves to

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Speaker 1: put on a show, does well, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for listening to our brillily honest review of Taylor's a

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Speaker 1: Stu Movie as I'm calling it for a shorthand, and

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Speaker 1: we will link the episode we did earlier in the

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Speaker 1: week about all the lyrics and the behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: stories from the album, which if now you're maybe you've

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Speaker 1: just discovered tell us so for the first time listening

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Speaker 1: to us, you're like, hey, I'd love to know what

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Speaker 1: the album's about. We will link that in the show notes,

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Speaker 1: and also make sure you're following us on our social platforms.

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Speaker 1: We are The Spill podcast on TikTok and Instagram. That's

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Speaker 1: where the magic happens. That's where the videos get posted,

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Speaker 1: and that is where you can tell us what is

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Speaker 1: your favorite song from the album and if you saw

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Speaker 1: the movie. The Spill is produced by Minitia It's Warren

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Speaker 1: with sound production by Scott Stronik. And we'll see you

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Speaker 1: back here on your feed at eight am on Monday

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Speaker 1: for morning Tea. Bye bye.