1 00:00:11,064 --> 00:00:15,304 Speaker 1: So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia 2 00:00:15,424 --> 00:00:19,024 Speaker 1: acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that this 3 00:00:19,064 --> 00:00:27,664 Speaker 1: podcast is recorded on From Mamma Mia. Welcome to this Spill, 4 00:00:27,744 --> 00:00:31,184 Speaker 1: your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodneck and I'm 5 00:00:31,184 --> 00:00:34,464 Speaker 1: Anne Vernon and coming up on the show's today, Victoria 6 00:00:34,464 --> 00:00:37,584 Speaker 1: Beckham has released the trailer for her new documentary series 7 00:00:38,024 --> 00:00:41,104 Speaker 1: and it's come at a perfect yet scandalous time. So 8 00:00:41,144 --> 00:00:44,304 Speaker 1: we're going to get into that. Plus, Oh, I feel 9 00:00:44,304 --> 00:00:46,184 Speaker 1: silly saying feud, but let's call it what it is. 10 00:00:46,504 --> 00:00:48,704 Speaker 1: A feud from the early two thousands has reared its 11 00:00:48,744 --> 00:00:52,184 Speaker 1: ugly head again between Selena Gomez and Demi Lovado. There 12 00:00:52,224 --> 00:00:54,704 Speaker 1: have been comments. We're going to get into the whole backstory. 13 00:00:54,704 --> 00:00:55,864 Speaker 1: There's a lot to say. 14 00:00:56,224 --> 00:00:58,504 Speaker 2: But first I have to make an apology. 15 00:00:58,824 --> 00:01:00,344 Speaker 1: Oh for my voice. 16 00:01:00,984 --> 00:01:04,544 Speaker 2: Oh sorry, a little BTS moment here on the Spill. 17 00:01:04,864 --> 00:01:08,024 Speaker 2: My voice is slowly going. I don't really sound like this, 18 00:01:08,144 --> 00:01:09,904 Speaker 2: and I know people are going to be mad because 19 00:01:09,904 --> 00:01:11,704 Speaker 2: people don't like my voice. 20 00:01:11,424 --> 00:01:13,344 Speaker 1: When it's good. We never heard anyone say that. 21 00:01:13,424 --> 00:01:15,744 Speaker 2: I've seen a few. I've seen a few angry people. 22 00:01:15,824 --> 00:01:17,744 Speaker 2: So I'm just putting it out there, my voice heard. 23 00:01:17,984 --> 00:01:20,984 Speaker 2: We've been doing a lot of work stuff that includes 24 00:01:21,024 --> 00:01:22,024 Speaker 2: a lot of speaking. 25 00:01:22,424 --> 00:01:24,264 Speaker 1: So em can't even look at me at the moment 26 00:01:24,304 --> 00:01:27,544 Speaker 1: because we spent the last what four or five days together, 27 00:01:27,704 --> 00:01:28,864 Speaker 1: and by it together. 28 00:01:28,624 --> 00:01:30,504 Speaker 2: I don't even mean like going home, like we've been 29 00:01:30,624 --> 00:01:35,184 Speaker 2: staying in hotels together. We've been having all three meals together, we've. 30 00:01:35,024 --> 00:01:37,704 Speaker 1: Been running through airport. It's only missing our flights together, 31 00:01:37,984 --> 00:01:41,104 Speaker 1: driving cars on dangerous roads. 32 00:01:41,024 --> 00:01:43,024 Speaker 2: Those first day in like three weeks where we're not 33 00:01:43,024 --> 00:01:43,624 Speaker 2: going to be together. 34 00:01:43,864 --> 00:01:45,784 Speaker 1: To miss me, I'll call you. Think it will feel weird, 35 00:01:46,104 --> 00:01:48,944 Speaker 1: feel weird, I'll call you. But anyway, in case you 36 00:01:49,024 --> 00:01:54,864 Speaker 1: missed it, the summer I turned pretty. Last episode series finale, 37 00:01:55,024 --> 00:01:57,344 Speaker 1: season three, aired yesterday. 38 00:01:59,264 --> 00:02:00,944 Speaker 2: We have a lot of thoughts. We're not going to 39 00:02:01,024 --> 00:02:03,704 Speaker 2: go into them now because we are doing a brutally 40 00:02:03,744 --> 00:02:04,944 Speaker 2: honest review tomorrow. 41 00:02:05,224 --> 00:02:07,464 Speaker 1: Yes, guys, strap in for that. It's going to be huge. 42 00:02:07,504 --> 00:02:10,544 Speaker 1: Emma's she's got so many thoughts to say about this final. 43 00:02:10,624 --> 00:02:11,824 Speaker 2: And we actually haven't talked about it. 44 00:02:12,024 --> 00:02:13,904 Speaker 1: We haven't. We're saving it for the pot. Also, your 45 00:02:13,944 --> 00:02:15,864 Speaker 1: body is like shaking in like anger in it. 46 00:02:15,984 --> 00:02:19,944 Speaker 2: When I say that brutally honest, I'm saying eighty brutal. 47 00:02:22,504 --> 00:02:25,024 Speaker 1: I end up defending those poor Fisher boys, aren't I 48 00:02:25,064 --> 00:02:26,224 Speaker 1: from you, you tyrant. 49 00:02:27,344 --> 00:02:29,664 Speaker 2: It'll be good, guys, It'll be good. Won't be too angry. 50 00:02:29,704 --> 00:02:32,824 Speaker 2: But anyway, the last episode ed yesterday. If you watched 51 00:02:32,864 --> 00:02:35,264 Speaker 2: the last episode, there was a beautiful letter at the 52 00:02:35,344 --> 00:02:38,424 Speaker 2: end of the episode by Jenny Hahn, who wrote the show, 53 00:02:38,504 --> 00:02:40,064 Speaker 2: was a big producer on the show, and she also 54 00:02:40,144 --> 00:02:42,184 Speaker 2: wrote the Summer I Turned Pretty books that the show 55 00:02:42,264 --> 00:02:45,384 Speaker 2: is based on. She's a well known name in Hollywood, 56 00:02:45,624 --> 00:02:48,344 Speaker 2: and they displayed this letter from her, just thanking the 57 00:02:48,384 --> 00:02:51,944 Speaker 2: fans for being on Belly's journey, saying that the series 58 00:02:51,984 --> 00:02:53,704 Speaker 2: made so much to her and the story mats meant 59 00:02:53,744 --> 00:02:56,544 Speaker 2: so much to her. So Jenny Hahn actually put this 60 00:02:56,624 --> 00:02:58,944 Speaker 2: letter at the end of the episode, and this is 61 00:02:58,984 --> 00:03:01,904 Speaker 2: a part of the letter that everyone just keeps talking about. 62 00:03:01,984 --> 00:03:06,104 Speaker 2: It said, maybe we will meet again one summer in cousins. 63 00:03:06,744 --> 00:03:09,784 Speaker 2: After that episode ed, there was a few hours of 64 00:03:09,824 --> 00:03:12,304 Speaker 2: all of us gossiping, going, oh my god, what a 65 00:03:12,424 --> 00:03:14,504 Speaker 2: great end to a lovely story. 66 00:03:14,704 --> 00:03:17,064 Speaker 1: Really were people saying that it's a very different vime. 67 00:03:17,584 --> 00:03:21,024 Speaker 2: I need to find your friends and then we get 68 00:03:21,024 --> 00:03:24,904 Speaker 2: a post an announcement, if you will, from Prime Video 69 00:03:25,464 --> 00:03:29,064 Speaker 2: saying that the summer I Turn Pretty Story is going 70 00:03:29,104 --> 00:03:33,424 Speaker 2: to continue and they're in works on a movie that 71 00:03:33,544 --> 00:03:36,584 Speaker 2: Jenny harn is also going to be writing. Yes, I 72 00:03:36,624 --> 00:03:38,584 Speaker 2: am not happy. 73 00:03:38,824 --> 00:03:41,784 Speaker 1: Oh you're not happy. Okay, I was done. 74 00:03:41,984 --> 00:03:45,064 Speaker 2: I was done with it. I prepared myself, I prepared 75 00:03:45,064 --> 00:03:47,144 Speaker 2: my body, I prepared my mind for this to be 76 00:03:47,544 --> 00:03:51,024 Speaker 2: the final element of the summer I Turned Pretty Story 77 00:03:51,064 --> 00:03:53,704 Speaker 2: for barey Story, and they already pushed it right like. 78 00:03:53,784 --> 00:03:57,224 Speaker 2: I think it was two episodes after the original story finished, 79 00:03:57,544 --> 00:03:59,704 Speaker 2: so they'd already given us like a little bit extra, 80 00:04:00,064 --> 00:04:02,984 Speaker 2: and they're giving us a lot extra. And the thing is, 81 00:04:03,104 --> 00:04:08,304 Speaker 2: I had such certain theories about the final episode that 82 00:04:08,344 --> 00:04:09,904 Speaker 2: I want to get into the briarly honest reviews. I 83 00:04:09,904 --> 00:04:11,984 Speaker 2: don't want to. Yes, yes, but I feel like they're 84 00:04:11,984 --> 00:04:13,504 Speaker 2: all just going to be going in the bin now 85 00:04:13,504 --> 00:04:14,744 Speaker 2: that there's a movie coming out. 86 00:04:14,904 --> 00:04:16,704 Speaker 1: Yes, I understand why you're a bit upset. I think 87 00:04:16,704 --> 00:04:19,144 Speaker 1: the timing of it is interesting that they didn't announce 88 00:04:19,184 --> 00:04:22,624 Speaker 1: it until after the finale had aired, because they wanted 89 00:04:22,664 --> 00:04:25,064 Speaker 1: all eyes on the finale and unlike and just like 90 00:04:25,104 --> 00:04:27,104 Speaker 1: that it does feel like this was all planned out. 91 00:04:27,144 --> 00:04:29,664 Speaker 1: It wasn't like a stileopdust decision to make it that way. 92 00:04:29,824 --> 00:04:32,264 Speaker 1: They wanted people to go into the finale feeling like 93 00:04:32,304 --> 00:04:34,824 Speaker 1: it was this huge worldwide moment, which it felt like, 94 00:04:35,504 --> 00:04:38,184 Speaker 1: and then have the movie be like a little extra 95 00:04:38,304 --> 00:04:41,024 Speaker 1: delight at the end. I'll just say this about Jenny 96 00:04:41,024 --> 00:04:44,504 Speaker 1: harneh into that woman before twice, and she is not. 97 00:04:44,624 --> 00:04:47,184 Speaker 1: She has the interview some authors and they just very 98 00:04:47,224 --> 00:04:49,664 Speaker 1: like in the world with their characters, and she's that. 99 00:04:49,784 --> 00:04:51,944 Speaker 1: But she's also she's a bit like Shonda Rhymes and 100 00:04:51,944 --> 00:04:56,984 Speaker 1: that she's also like a master like content creator, world builder, publicist, 101 00:04:57,024 --> 00:04:58,864 Speaker 1: so like she's a bit of publicist in her where 102 00:04:58,904 --> 00:05:02,144 Speaker 1: she was like, we have this worldwide moment. This doesn't 103 00:05:02,184 --> 00:05:04,704 Speaker 1: come along very often, like once in a generation you 104 00:05:04,784 --> 00:05:07,344 Speaker 1: have people get invested in a love triangle like this. 105 00:05:07,784 --> 00:05:10,744 Speaker 1: We can't end it at season three. So that's why 106 00:05:10,744 --> 00:05:12,504 Speaker 1: the movie is coming out. This is why she stretched 107 00:05:12,504 --> 00:05:14,904 Speaker 1: the book. This is why they're doing these different press tours. 108 00:05:14,904 --> 00:05:16,744 Speaker 1: This is why there's all these East strikes built in. 109 00:05:16,824 --> 00:05:19,704 Speaker 1: This is why particular songs are used. It's about building 110 00:05:19,704 --> 00:05:21,144 Speaker 1: this big universe away. 111 00:05:21,184 --> 00:05:23,624 Speaker 2: Don't you feel like that. Now they're just like ringing 112 00:05:23,664 --> 00:05:24,584 Speaker 2: out a dry rag. 113 00:05:25,024 --> 00:05:27,544 Speaker 1: Is that a saying yeah? It is no, No, that's 114 00:05:27,544 --> 00:05:29,384 Speaker 1: a correct saying yeah, because you ring out a dry rag, 115 00:05:29,464 --> 00:05:31,864 Speaker 1: nothing comes out no, no, no. I can see why you 116 00:05:31,904 --> 00:05:34,504 Speaker 1: think that. And sometimes when things are coming back, like 117 00:05:34,544 --> 00:05:36,304 Speaker 1: I'm the first to jump on and down and be angry, 118 00:05:36,384 --> 00:05:38,704 Speaker 1: be like, there's no need to bring that back. But 119 00:05:38,784 --> 00:05:41,024 Speaker 1: this does feel like it ended at a moment where 120 00:05:41,024 --> 00:05:43,344 Speaker 1: you need a movie because I'm assuming the movie will 121 00:05:43,384 --> 00:05:46,024 Speaker 1: be about their wedding and you it would have felt 122 00:05:46,024 --> 00:05:46,704 Speaker 1: too much. 123 00:05:46,544 --> 00:05:49,184 Speaker 2: And too everything, like but like, why does she have 124 00:05:49,184 --> 00:05:49,944 Speaker 2: to get married twice? 125 00:05:50,264 --> 00:05:52,984 Speaker 1: Well, she hasn't been married yet, judge mend Oh my god, 126 00:05:53,264 --> 00:05:55,304 Speaker 1: she's had a rehearsal dinner, but not a wedding. But 127 00:05:55,344 --> 00:05:58,464 Speaker 1: I'm assuming this will pick frountil cortex hasn't been developed yet. Well, 128 00:05:58,464 --> 00:06:01,344 Speaker 1: that's why they're doing the movie, Emily, because I'm assuming 129 00:06:01,344 --> 00:06:03,664 Speaker 1: there'll be a five year time jump, so she'll be 130 00:06:04,024 --> 00:06:06,344 Speaker 1: twenty seven. That was really quick match for me. So 131 00:06:06,384 --> 00:06:08,984 Speaker 1: she'll be twenty seven. Yeah, a child bride, Yeah, very 132 00:06:09,024 --> 00:06:11,384 Speaker 1: much a child bride. But well, she was getting married 133 00:06:11,384 --> 00:06:13,944 Speaker 1: at twenty ones. This is slightly better that'sn't even bad. 134 00:06:14,064 --> 00:06:16,464 Speaker 1: Her frontal lope has formed at this point, So I'm 135 00:06:16,504 --> 00:06:18,664 Speaker 1: assuming it'll be the wedding and it'll be one of 136 00:06:18,664 --> 00:06:21,304 Speaker 1: those classic kind of moments where like all these characters 137 00:06:21,344 --> 00:06:23,664 Speaker 1: have had these huge lives and they all come back 138 00:06:23,704 --> 00:06:27,384 Speaker 1: together at the cousin's house for this wedding and drama ensues. 139 00:06:27,424 --> 00:06:29,464 Speaker 2: Oh my god, because it's like where. 140 00:06:29,104 --> 00:06:32,144 Speaker 1: Taylor and Steven, what about Jeremiah and what's her name 141 00:06:32,184 --> 00:06:34,704 Speaker 1: with the curly hair? Who? We'll get into that tomorrow. 142 00:06:34,784 --> 00:06:36,704 Speaker 2: I just know Adam still has those champagnes. 143 00:06:36,984 --> 00:06:40,384 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it brings out the champagne is the wedding, 144 00:06:40,384 --> 00:06:46,304 Speaker 1: and Jeremiah is like from my wedding, so good. Laurel's 145 00:06:46,304 --> 00:06:48,384 Speaker 1: there being like I stopped this once, I'll stop it 146 00:06:48,424 --> 00:06:52,104 Speaker 1: again and don't tempt me with a good time. The 147 00:06:52,184 --> 00:06:55,224 Speaker 1: scene is set for huge drama, yeah something, and then 148 00:06:55,264 --> 00:06:57,624 Speaker 1: she'll get to read Susanna's letter, which we never got 149 00:06:57,904 --> 00:07:00,544 Speaker 1: that's because she didn't open it. There are too many 150 00:07:00,584 --> 00:07:03,304 Speaker 1: little loose ends. It's like it would have been too 151 00:07:03,384 --> 00:07:07,304 Speaker 1: much to tack their wedding on to the finale, because 152 00:07:07,304 --> 00:07:09,304 Speaker 1: it would have felt like an afterthought of having this 153 00:07:09,344 --> 00:07:12,184 Speaker 1: big ending in the justing at the end needs a 154 00:07:12,184 --> 00:07:12,664 Speaker 1: whole movie. 155 00:07:12,664 --> 00:07:15,944 Speaker 2: Emily, Well, obviously, I'm gonna watch it at least three times. 156 00:07:16,704 --> 00:07:17,744 Speaker 2: I'm not happy about it. 157 00:07:17,784 --> 00:07:19,824 Speaker 1: Took that into my veins. Well, at least we've got 158 00:07:19,864 --> 00:07:21,504 Speaker 1: we've they haven't even started filming it yet, so we've 159 00:07:21,504 --> 00:07:22,264 Speaker 1: got at least a year. 160 00:07:22,624 --> 00:07:23,304 Speaker 2: Oh thank god. 161 00:07:23,464 --> 00:07:25,064 Speaker 1: So I'll see you back here in a year for 162 00:07:25,144 --> 00:07:28,504 Speaker 1: a brutally honest review of the Summer Return. Pretty movie. 163 00:07:27,744 --> 00:07:29,984 Speaker 2: No, no, no, no. 164 00:07:30,184 --> 00:07:32,464 Speaker 1: I feel like someone at Netflix has been reading my 165 00:07:32,584 --> 00:07:35,424 Speaker 1: dream journal because one of my biggest dreams this year 166 00:07:35,464 --> 00:07:39,824 Speaker 1: has come true. Not even joking. A new Victoria Beckham 167 00:07:39,864 --> 00:07:43,424 Speaker 1: documentary is coming our way October nine on Netflix. 168 00:07:44,944 --> 00:07:47,104 Speaker 2: It seems so excited about this. 169 00:07:47,344 --> 00:07:47,784 Speaker 1: Excited. 170 00:07:47,904 --> 00:07:50,064 Speaker 2: I know, I know a lot of people are excited. 171 00:07:50,144 --> 00:07:51,224 Speaker 2: I did watch it. See. 172 00:07:51,664 --> 00:07:53,824 Speaker 1: The thing is, it's like I watched the original Dave 173 00:07:53,904 --> 00:07:55,384 Speaker 1: and Victoria Beckham documentary. 174 00:07:55,384 --> 00:07:57,384 Speaker 2: You mean I watched that, and I watch a trailer 175 00:07:57,744 --> 00:08:01,504 Speaker 2: for this new documentary. I'm intrigued by it because she 176 00:08:01,624 --> 00:08:02,384 Speaker 2: was not my era. 177 00:08:03,144 --> 00:08:06,264 Speaker 1: Yes, so I'm okay, we get it. You're young. Just 178 00:08:06,304 --> 00:08:08,064 Speaker 1: so I know. The spice skills are for everyone. 179 00:08:08,144 --> 00:08:11,344 Speaker 2: I'm excited to see. So only together for two millennials 180 00:08:11,464 --> 00:08:13,824 Speaker 2: and gen X women that are like so obsessed with 181 00:08:14,064 --> 00:08:16,344 Speaker 2: Victoria Beckham because I just like completely missed her. 182 00:08:16,824 --> 00:08:18,864 Speaker 1: Oh okay, well here's your chance to catch up. She's 183 00:08:18,904 --> 00:08:19,824 Speaker 1: coming back around again. 184 00:08:19,944 --> 00:08:21,464 Speaker 2: Is she your favorite Spice girl? 185 00:08:22,184 --> 00:08:24,424 Speaker 1: I can't be a favorite. I feel like I'm little 186 00:08:24,504 --> 00:08:26,664 Speaker 1: most like her. I thank you so much. 187 00:08:27,904 --> 00:08:28,984 Speaker 2: What am I most like? 188 00:08:29,064 --> 00:08:33,104 Speaker 1: It's the nicest thing you've ever said to me. Yes, Oh, 189 00:08:33,144 --> 00:08:36,344 Speaker 1: she's the stylish cool one. Okay, aren't they all pretty 190 00:08:36,384 --> 00:08:39,904 Speaker 1: cool in different ways? Who am I? Okay? Your baby 191 00:08:40,304 --> 00:08:44,824 Speaker 1: is that bad? It's not bad, it's just a fact. 192 00:08:44,904 --> 00:08:50,424 Speaker 1: Which wan's that? Are you kidding me? I don't know, Okay, 193 00:08:50,504 --> 00:08:52,504 Speaker 1: I didn't think we'd have to do this in this segment. 194 00:08:52,664 --> 00:08:55,144 Speaker 2: I know Jerry because she's married to Christian Horner. 195 00:08:55,504 --> 00:08:56,864 Speaker 1: Okay, weird way to know about. 196 00:08:58,664 --> 00:09:00,904 Speaker 2: I know mel C because we interviewed her recently. Yes, 197 00:09:01,104 --> 00:09:03,064 Speaker 2: I know because she's in Sydney. 198 00:09:03,184 --> 00:09:04,784 Speaker 1: Yes, okay, so you know a few of them. So 199 00:09:04,824 --> 00:09:06,624 Speaker 1: if the Spillers could just talk amongst themselves for a 200 00:09:06,624 --> 00:09:08,424 Speaker 1: second while I tell Emily who the Spice girls are, 201 00:09:08,464 --> 00:09:09,664 Speaker 1: because our listeners, I. 202 00:09:09,624 --> 00:09:10,344 Speaker 2: Know I'm gonna get bulled. 203 00:09:10,824 --> 00:09:13,064 Speaker 1: So Emma Bunton is Baby Spice. 204 00:09:13,224 --> 00:09:15,024 Speaker 2: Oh I don't know that one. 205 00:09:16,304 --> 00:09:17,744 Speaker 1: I'm so stressed by this. 206 00:09:17,824 --> 00:09:20,064 Speaker 2: I got even she Baby Spies because she was the youngest. 207 00:09:20,504 --> 00:09:23,024 Speaker 1: No, because when they were all put into this group together, 208 00:09:23,064 --> 00:09:26,024 Speaker 1: So the Spice girls all came together as a manufactured 209 00:09:26,024 --> 00:09:27,664 Speaker 1: pop girl group. They all went to some little weird 210 00:09:27,704 --> 00:09:30,984 Speaker 1: warehouse somewhere in London and auditioned, went all through these rounds. 211 00:09:31,144 --> 00:09:32,664 Speaker 1: It's like what you see on TV shows now, but 212 00:09:32,704 --> 00:09:35,184 Speaker 1: it wasn't televised. It was just the studio trying to 213 00:09:35,184 --> 00:09:37,464 Speaker 1: put them together. And once they were put together, they 214 00:09:37,464 --> 00:09:40,024 Speaker 1: were all kind of given personas that kind of matched 215 00:09:40,304 --> 00:09:42,384 Speaker 1: who they were by the studio, but it was sort 216 00:09:42,384 --> 00:09:45,064 Speaker 1: of it was all marketing. So you had like Scary Spice, 217 00:09:45,104 --> 00:09:48,344 Speaker 1: Sporty Spice, Ginger Spice, Baby Spice, and Posh Spice. 218 00:09:48,464 --> 00:09:50,744 Speaker 2: If I walked into a room of executives and they 219 00:09:50,744 --> 00:09:55,024 Speaker 2: called me Scary Spies, I'm. 220 00:09:53,824 --> 00:09:58,344 Speaker 1: Going to be really racial undertones. Yeah, I discussed at 221 00:09:58,384 --> 00:10:00,624 Speaker 1: the time that have been now. But Emma Bunton was 222 00:10:00,624 --> 00:10:03,424 Speaker 1: that because she was the blonde, cutesy looking one and 223 00:10:03,464 --> 00:10:06,024 Speaker 1: so they would alsays dress her in the little baby 224 00:10:06,024 --> 00:10:10,624 Speaker 1: doll dresses and cogtails and the carpenter. Yeah, okay, is 225 00:10:10,744 --> 00:10:14,264 Speaker 1: overly sexualized or yeah, it's a cutesy one. 226 00:10:14,664 --> 00:10:15,984 Speaker 2: Em So. 227 00:10:17,584 --> 00:10:20,384 Speaker 1: The documentary, which has nothing to do with the Spig 228 00:10:20,664 --> 00:10:22,264 Speaker 1: even about the Spiccyles. Can I just say it isn't 229 00:10:22,264 --> 00:10:24,104 Speaker 1: a while the Spiccyles. We still talk about them now. 230 00:10:24,104 --> 00:10:27,224 Speaker 1: They were only together for barely two years. No over 231 00:10:27,424 --> 00:10:30,624 Speaker 1: nearly thirty years ago. Actually yeah, yeah, but they just 232 00:10:30,704 --> 00:10:35,624 Speaker 1: their their force on the world and they impact so huge. 233 00:10:35,704 --> 00:10:38,664 Speaker 1: I know. Oh my god, we just closed that before 234 00:10:38,744 --> 00:10:41,264 Speaker 1: Jerry left the band. Yeah, it was a whole thing 235 00:10:41,384 --> 00:10:43,744 Speaker 1: to get into F one. No, okay, to go solo? 236 00:10:43,944 --> 00:10:46,344 Speaker 2: Got it? I heard she was the best singer. 237 00:10:46,984 --> 00:10:48,384 Speaker 1: No, Melcy is the best singer. Got it. 238 00:10:48,424 --> 00:10:49,584 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna shut up now. 239 00:10:49,864 --> 00:10:52,744 Speaker 1: I'm going to lend you my copy of the unauthorized 240 00:10:52,784 --> 00:10:54,864 Speaker 1: Spy Skills biography that I got at the book fair 241 00:10:55,064 --> 00:11:00,464 Speaker 1: in I'm saying nineteen which not not them, it's the 242 00:11:00,544 --> 00:11:02,064 Speaker 1: unauthorized deography. 243 00:11:03,744 --> 00:11:04,944 Speaker 2: But also you should. 244 00:11:04,664 --> 00:11:07,104 Speaker 1: Know about Victoria Beckham because she's been famous. I know 245 00:11:07,344 --> 00:11:10,304 Speaker 1: about Victoria Beckham, not from this conversation. You don't. 246 00:11:10,344 --> 00:11:12,224 Speaker 2: She just did not like I didn't get it. 247 00:11:12,264 --> 00:11:14,424 Speaker 1: You know what I mean, well, okay, so this documentary 248 00:11:14,424 --> 00:11:17,224 Speaker 1: is for you because while the David Victoria one was 249 00:11:17,224 --> 00:11:19,584 Speaker 1: like a peek inside like their marriage and their life, 250 00:11:19,624 --> 00:11:22,304 Speaker 1: so you saw back from footage from their early days 251 00:11:22,304 --> 00:11:24,584 Speaker 1: they talked about that, you saw them in their home now, 252 00:11:24,864 --> 00:11:26,464 Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. This one is a bit 253 00:11:26,464 --> 00:11:29,384 Speaker 1: more centered on Victoria, and it's centered very much in 254 00:11:29,424 --> 00:11:32,704 Speaker 1: her building this fashion label because Emily, when the Spice 255 00:11:32,744 --> 00:11:35,184 Speaker 1: Girls broke up, she was not not She was no 256 00:11:35,224 --> 00:11:37,504 Speaker 1: one as being like fashionable on like a pop star level, 257 00:11:37,544 --> 00:11:39,944 Speaker 1: but she wasn't high fashion, and she desperately wanted to 258 00:11:39,944 --> 00:11:42,944 Speaker 1: be in high fashion, so she started the Victoria Beckham brand, 259 00:11:43,384 --> 00:11:45,904 Speaker 1: and the fashion community shunned her. There's even all these 260 00:11:45,944 --> 00:11:48,424 Speaker 1: reports of like when she was trying to be high fashion. 261 00:11:48,904 --> 00:11:52,024 Speaker 1: Design houses would be like calling their pr agents and saying, 262 00:11:52,264 --> 00:11:55,104 Speaker 1: why is Victoria wearing our clothes on red carpets? Get 263 00:11:55,104 --> 00:11:57,304 Speaker 1: her out of them, and they're like, we're not giving 264 00:11:57,344 --> 00:11:59,104 Speaker 1: them to her. You know how most celebrities they get 265 00:11:59,144 --> 00:12:00,864 Speaker 1: dressed by a designer. You either go to a gifting 266 00:12:00,904 --> 00:12:03,704 Speaker 1: suite of closes a centover and they'd say, we can't 267 00:12:03,704 --> 00:12:06,424 Speaker 1: stop her. She's buying them from the shop. She's going 268 00:12:06,424 --> 00:12:08,744 Speaker 1: into shops and maybe they hate her so much because 269 00:12:08,784 --> 00:12:11,144 Speaker 1: she wasn't seen as high fashion, was seen as because 270 00:12:11,184 --> 00:12:12,984 Speaker 1: she went through art and this is a great Victoria 271 00:12:12,984 --> 00:12:15,544 Speaker 1: Beckham era. She went through like a very tacky fashion 272 00:12:15,544 --> 00:12:18,344 Speaker 1: phase and like the best way, like hot pants, like 273 00:12:18,704 --> 00:12:20,024 Speaker 1: crop top corsets. 274 00:12:20,464 --> 00:12:23,024 Speaker 2: When she wore that bag, everyone be like, WHOA. 275 00:12:22,664 --> 00:12:24,384 Speaker 1: Well, potentially yeah, And that's when she had like a 276 00:12:24,424 --> 00:12:26,224 Speaker 1: big boob job and she had like the super long 277 00:12:26,264 --> 00:12:29,744 Speaker 1: blonde hair extensions and like you know, wearing ugs out 278 00:12:29,744 --> 00:12:32,464 Speaker 1: and about like that kind of really early two thousands vibe. 279 00:12:32,464 --> 00:12:34,624 Speaker 1: And then she went kind of very chic high fashion. 280 00:12:35,024 --> 00:12:36,904 Speaker 1: And when she built her fashion label, it took a 281 00:12:36,904 --> 00:12:38,824 Speaker 1: long time for it to be successful, and there's all 282 00:12:38,824 --> 00:12:40,744 Speaker 1: these things about David Beckham having to give her the 283 00:12:40,744 --> 00:12:43,464 Speaker 1: money and for a long time the company was like 284 00:12:43,504 --> 00:12:45,024 Speaker 1: she says it in the trailer and she's like we 285 00:12:45,024 --> 00:12:47,384 Speaker 1: were in the red, like they were just losing money 286 00:12:47,384 --> 00:12:49,824 Speaker 1: for such a long time. So it's taken her over 287 00:12:49,864 --> 00:12:53,064 Speaker 1: a decade to be like a credible fashion person. And 288 00:12:53,184 --> 00:12:54,744 Speaker 1: this is why the documentary is. 289 00:12:54,704 --> 00:12:57,184 Speaker 2: Like trying a lot. In the trailer, Yeah, she does 290 00:12:57,224 --> 00:12:57,704 Speaker 2: cry a lot. 291 00:12:58,024 --> 00:13:00,024 Speaker 1: She's talking about like she has always said she got 292 00:13:00,104 --> 00:13:02,584 Speaker 1: hugely bullied at school. I don't know if that's true 293 00:13:02,624 --> 00:13:04,224 Speaker 1: or not, because she kept she's doing that a little 294 00:13:04,224 --> 00:13:04,544 Speaker 1: bit of that. 295 00:13:04,464 --> 00:13:08,264 Speaker 2: Megati every celebrity to get bullied. I know I got bullied, 296 00:13:08,304 --> 00:13:09,544 Speaker 2: but I'm not a celebrity. 297 00:13:10,584 --> 00:13:14,624 Speaker 1: You now you're the baby spices of the podcast Studio. Well, 298 00:13:14,664 --> 00:13:16,224 Speaker 1: I mean, she does that Megan Michael thing where she 299 00:13:16,224 --> 00:13:18,024 Speaker 1: talks about really being ugly as a kid. But in 300 00:13:18,064 --> 00:13:19,904 Speaker 1: the documentary, these photos come up and I was like, 301 00:13:19,944 --> 00:13:21,264 Speaker 1: you look pretty beautiful to be. 302 00:13:21,824 --> 00:13:22,624 Speaker 2: But also she. 303 00:13:22,584 --> 00:13:25,064 Speaker 1: Could have been bullied for many reasons. She's always talked 304 00:13:25,064 --> 00:13:26,744 Speaker 1: about that, so I feel like it was a huge 305 00:13:26,784 --> 00:13:29,224 Speaker 1: part of her life. So the documentary is talking a 306 00:13:29,224 --> 00:13:31,504 Speaker 1: bit about her child and her life, about her leaving 307 00:13:31,504 --> 00:13:34,264 Speaker 1: the Spice Girls. There's that moment where she says in 308 00:13:34,304 --> 00:13:38,064 Speaker 1: the trailer about what happened. People thought I. 309 00:13:38,104 --> 00:13:43,864 Speaker 2: Was that miserable cow that never smiled, but I do. 310 00:13:43,864 --> 00:13:47,904 Speaker 1: Don't be shocked. I have never. 311 00:13:47,784 --> 00:13:51,984 Speaker 2: Forgotten where I come from. 312 00:13:52,024 --> 00:13:53,304 Speaker 1: Performing was my dream. 313 00:13:54,184 --> 00:13:57,384 Speaker 2: The Spy s Girls made me accept who I am, 314 00:13:57,544 --> 00:14:00,384 Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden it stopped. 315 00:14:03,064 --> 00:14:05,584 Speaker 1: And in the lead up to a fashion show, and 316 00:14:05,584 --> 00:14:08,184 Speaker 1: that's why she's crying because she's talking about her family 317 00:14:08,264 --> 00:14:10,504 Speaker 1: not being proud of her and her business not surviving 318 00:14:10,784 --> 00:14:12,984 Speaker 1: because it was seen as like would have been a huge, 319 00:14:13,024 --> 00:14:16,304 Speaker 1: like worldwide public failure if she'd throw everything into this 320 00:14:16,384 --> 00:14:18,624 Speaker 1: fashion career and the world had rejected it. 321 00:14:18,904 --> 00:14:22,304 Speaker 2: Right, So what question does everyone want to be answered 322 00:14:22,344 --> 00:14:24,304 Speaker 2: in this documentary? That's what I want to know. 323 00:14:24,624 --> 00:14:26,624 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting. I think it's come at such a 324 00:14:26,664 --> 00:14:29,144 Speaker 1: good time for her because she and David got just 325 00:14:29,184 --> 00:14:33,344 Speaker 1: this beautiful piece of pr from the first documentary they 326 00:14:33,344 --> 00:14:35,424 Speaker 1: did together. Do you remember how much everyone like fell 327 00:14:35,464 --> 00:14:38,264 Speaker 1: in love with them. Everyone forgot about a lot of 328 00:14:38,264 --> 00:14:41,584 Speaker 1: the crazy cheating scandals and all these things that they 329 00:14:41,664 --> 00:14:44,344 Speaker 1: were like an estranged couple who just had a business arrangement, 330 00:14:44,464 --> 00:14:46,264 Speaker 1: like all of a sudden, that just the video of 331 00:14:46,304 --> 00:14:48,384 Speaker 1: them dancing together and the videos of them like being 332 00:14:48,424 --> 00:14:50,744 Speaker 1: in their house and everything, all of a sudden people 333 00:14:50,784 --> 00:14:52,544 Speaker 1: just loved them. So I think it gave them this 334 00:14:52,624 --> 00:14:55,104 Speaker 1: beautiful positive pr that you really can't buy. It like 335 00:14:55,144 --> 00:14:57,304 Speaker 1: has to be a moment. And the trailer seems a 336 00:14:57,344 --> 00:14:59,624 Speaker 1: little bit like that where David says to her, like, 337 00:14:59,704 --> 00:15:01,184 Speaker 1: we'd be proud of you if you made a cheese 338 00:15:01,184 --> 00:15:04,384 Speaker 1: sandwich and she's like, well, I can't make a cheese sandwich. Yeah, 339 00:15:04,984 --> 00:15:08,184 Speaker 1: facts Brooklyn can. Well that's the other thing. So I 340 00:15:08,184 --> 00:15:10,184 Speaker 1: think it's gonna be really interesting because obviously they'll have 341 00:15:10,264 --> 00:15:11,824 Speaker 1: to a lot of press in the lead up to 342 00:15:11,864 --> 00:15:15,784 Speaker 1: the documentary coming out in October, but they haven't been 343 00:15:15,824 --> 00:15:18,384 Speaker 1: in the spotlight since this whole story of the feud 344 00:15:18,424 --> 00:15:21,144 Speaker 1: with Brooklyn and his wife Nikola Pelts blew up in 345 00:15:21,184 --> 00:15:23,824 Speaker 1: such a huge way. And you know that there'll be 346 00:15:23,824 --> 00:15:25,864 Speaker 1: a premiere where all the kids are all dressed in 347 00:15:25,944 --> 00:15:28,824 Speaker 1: Victoria Beckham at and yeah, I think it'll be so 348 00:15:28,904 --> 00:15:31,744 Speaker 1: telling if Brooklyn and Nicola aren't there. But obviously this 349 00:15:31,824 --> 00:15:33,664 Speaker 1: production has been in the works for like over a 350 00:15:33,744 --> 00:15:36,424 Speaker 1: year at least, so it would have been started before 351 00:15:37,064 --> 00:15:39,744 Speaker 1: the whole feud story blew up. So that's the thing. 352 00:15:39,784 --> 00:15:42,304 Speaker 1: It's really going to come to a head. Like they haven't. 353 00:15:42,344 --> 00:15:45,664 Speaker 1: No one said anything publicly about Brooklyn Beckham being estranged 354 00:15:45,704 --> 00:15:47,704 Speaker 1: from his family, but I feel like the documentary is 355 00:15:47,744 --> 00:15:50,744 Speaker 1: going to address it. Not only just don't stress it, 356 00:15:51,224 --> 00:15:53,704 Speaker 1: you just see it in the pr roll out of it. 357 00:15:53,744 --> 00:15:57,184 Speaker 1: And I think also it will inda Victoria Beckham to 358 00:15:57,744 --> 00:16:00,864 Speaker 1: a whole new group of people who she's been taking 359 00:16:00,864 --> 00:16:02,824 Speaker 1: a bit of a hit in this whole Brooklyn Nicola thing, 360 00:16:03,304 --> 00:16:05,464 Speaker 1: people sort of thinking that maybe she's a terrible mother 361 00:16:05,504 --> 00:16:08,104 Speaker 1: in law, that she's overbearing, that she ruined their wedding, 362 00:16:08,184 --> 00:16:10,264 Speaker 1: Like that's the story. That's the story of why they 363 00:16:10,424 --> 00:16:13,944 Speaker 1: had the vow renewal, because the allegation is that Victoria 364 00:16:13,944 --> 00:16:16,864 Speaker 1: Beckham ruined their first wedding. So Brooklyn Nicola went and 365 00:16:16,904 --> 00:16:19,504 Speaker 1: had a wedding with just her family to kind of 366 00:16:20,464 --> 00:16:23,704 Speaker 1: erase the first wedding, right, So she took a bit 367 00:16:23,704 --> 00:16:25,424 Speaker 1: of a hit in that. But I think people are 368 00:16:25,424 --> 00:16:29,184 Speaker 1: gonna watch this documentary and now see this vulnerable side 369 00:16:29,184 --> 00:16:30,864 Speaker 1: of her, you know how documentary is, like they shape 370 00:16:30,864 --> 00:16:33,424 Speaker 1: this person to this incredible person. You're seeing the story, 371 00:16:33,504 --> 00:16:35,664 Speaker 1: so you get very on their side. I think it'll 372 00:16:35,704 --> 00:16:40,224 Speaker 1: do that, yeah, Evran, Yeah yeah. Evil Longoria was like 373 00:16:40,384 --> 00:16:43,264 Speaker 1: leading the charge of welcoming Dave, and when David Victoria 374 00:16:43,304 --> 00:16:46,464 Speaker 1: Beckham relocated to la she was throwing them parties. All 375 00:16:46,464 --> 00:16:50,024 Speaker 1: of a sudden. She and Victoria were pictured together all 376 00:16:50,064 --> 00:16:52,424 Speaker 1: the time and they've been like really best friends ever since. 377 00:16:52,424 --> 00:16:55,064 Speaker 1: And Evel Longoria is the one who often like jumps 378 00:16:55,104 --> 00:16:57,984 Speaker 1: in and like defends them from tabloid rumors and all 379 00:16:58,024 --> 00:17:01,304 Speaker 1: that sort of stuff, So front and center in the documentary, 380 00:17:02,184 --> 00:17:03,864 Speaker 1: she's like, don't say anything about my best friend. 381 00:17:03,704 --> 00:17:04,904 Speaker 2: My best friend Victoria. 382 00:17:04,984 --> 00:17:08,224 Speaker 1: So yeah, October nine on Netflix. I can't wait. I 383 00:17:08,224 --> 00:17:10,944 Speaker 1: can't absolutely and I can't wait you to learn who 384 00:17:10,984 --> 00:17:16,504 Speaker 1: Posh spices. Finally, Okay, well, I feel like my spice 385 00:17:16,544 --> 00:17:19,184 Speaker 1: girl's Victoria Beckham. Announcement fell a little flat with you 386 00:17:19,224 --> 00:17:21,544 Speaker 1: because I didn't realize we're on different levels of the fandom. 387 00:17:21,544 --> 00:17:24,584 Speaker 1: So man, please go again. Can I go again with 388 00:17:24,624 --> 00:17:30,224 Speaker 1: another announcement? Thank you? Camp Rock three officially happening. Jonah's 389 00:17:30,264 --> 00:17:31,984 Speaker 1: Brothers are back. Demi Levado's back. 390 00:17:32,064 --> 00:17:34,784 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I wait. So Danny's also coming. 391 00:17:34,864 --> 00:17:37,824 Speaker 1: She's executive producing. I don't know what her like official 392 00:17:37,904 --> 00:17:40,304 Speaker 1: role in the movie will be, but she's like all 393 00:17:40,464 --> 00:17:41,424 Speaker 1: she's involved in it. 394 00:17:41,504 --> 00:17:44,144 Speaker 2: I'm so excited. I know you guys touched on it 395 00:17:44,184 --> 00:17:46,224 Speaker 2: in the spill where we had our producer One's. 396 00:17:46,024 --> 00:17:50,104 Speaker 1: In where the biggest Jonah's Brothers fan the entire world, And. 397 00:17:50,184 --> 00:17:53,184 Speaker 2: Guys, I'm not even joking. I think moniesia like pittures 398 00:17:53,224 --> 00:17:56,704 Speaker 2: a Jonah's brother story every week, yeap, and like not 399 00:17:56,784 --> 00:17:59,304 Speaker 2: much is happening with them, so she's really digging for 400 00:17:59,344 --> 00:18:02,064 Speaker 2: the guitar just in the world. What I like about 401 00:18:02,064 --> 00:18:04,624 Speaker 2: the Jonah's Brothers right now is that they're really leaning 402 00:18:04,664 --> 00:18:07,904 Speaker 2: into their trio dynamic. Yes, if you're a big Jonahs 403 00:18:07,984 --> 00:18:12,024 Speaker 2: Brothers girl, like Mini Cha more than me. There was 404 00:18:12,064 --> 00:18:14,184 Speaker 2: a period of time that was really stressful for us 405 00:18:14,264 --> 00:18:16,864 Speaker 2: Jonah's Brothers fans because they all wanted to do their 406 00:18:16,904 --> 00:18:21,024 Speaker 2: solo things. Nick went solo, Joe went solo with another band, 407 00:18:21,384 --> 00:18:24,704 Speaker 2: Kevin had his reality TV show Living with Jonas that 408 00:18:24,744 --> 00:18:26,864 Speaker 2: the brothers didn't want to be part of at all. 409 00:18:27,264 --> 00:18:28,984 Speaker 2: So they were kind of like separated. And now they 410 00:18:29,024 --> 00:18:32,784 Speaker 2: come back and they're really leaning into their brotherhood. And 411 00:18:33,024 --> 00:18:36,584 Speaker 2: I think that came as really good press for Joe Jonas, 412 00:18:36,664 --> 00:18:39,904 Speaker 2: especially after everything that happened with Sophie Turner, except everyone 413 00:18:39,944 --> 00:18:42,784 Speaker 2: just forgot about that completely and all of those like 414 00:18:42,824 --> 00:18:45,824 Speaker 2: court documents, Like since he's been on this big tour, 415 00:18:45,904 --> 00:18:49,544 Speaker 2: this Jonas Brother's tour anyway, Camp Rock three it's massive. 416 00:18:49,704 --> 00:18:52,224 Speaker 2: If you haven't watched Camp Rock one or Camproc two, 417 00:18:52,824 --> 00:18:55,704 Speaker 2: it is really great cinema, so many memes have come 418 00:18:55,744 --> 00:18:58,264 Speaker 2: out of it. Do you know if Alison Stone's coming back. 419 00:18:58,584 --> 00:19:00,784 Speaker 1: I don't know. That'd be interesting because she's just become 420 00:19:00,904 --> 00:19:03,504 Speaker 1: a New York Times bestseller. Yeah, and I think there 421 00:19:03,544 --> 00:19:05,464 Speaker 1: was something in it about Camp Rox, so maybe not 422 00:19:05,784 --> 00:19:07,184 Speaker 1: that she was meant to be the lead and then 423 00:19:07,184 --> 00:19:10,304 Speaker 1: they put Demi instead of her. Oh my god, drama, 424 00:19:10,464 --> 00:19:11,024 Speaker 1: So maybe not. 425 00:19:11,104 --> 00:19:12,304 Speaker 2: Maybe she'll come back as the lead. 426 00:19:12,384 --> 00:19:13,184 Speaker 1: That'd be so great. 427 00:19:13,544 --> 00:19:17,584 Speaker 2: Redemption, Redemntion and the Jonahs' brothers just pretty much play themselves. Look, 428 00:19:17,784 --> 00:19:20,304 Speaker 2: they're not the greatest actors, so they can only play themselves. 429 00:19:20,304 --> 00:19:23,384 Speaker 2: Even then, the glodian show they had was them playing themselves. 430 00:19:23,544 --> 00:19:25,264 Speaker 1: That's fine. Am I gonna have to watch camp Rock now? 431 00:19:25,264 --> 00:19:25,984 Speaker 1: And I've watched it? 432 00:19:26,384 --> 00:19:30,544 Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, okay, we have to do a brilliance review 433 00:19:30,904 --> 00:19:34,264 Speaker 2: don't say that of Spice Girls, and then then briodley 434 00:19:34,264 --> 00:19:35,184 Speaker 2: on review of Camprock. 435 00:19:35,224 --> 00:19:37,744 Speaker 1: Oh Jesus, we have to. We have to if the 436 00:19:37,744 --> 00:19:39,944 Speaker 1: people want it, let us know. Anyway, We're actually not 437 00:19:39,944 --> 00:19:41,824 Speaker 1: here today to talk about Camp Rock. What I was 438 00:19:41,824 --> 00:19:45,384 Speaker 1: just throwing that in so you felt included. What are 439 00:19:45,424 --> 00:19:48,264 Speaker 1: we talking about? Because Damie Lovado has been doing quite 440 00:19:48,304 --> 00:19:50,864 Speaker 1: a bit of press in this last week, and she 441 00:19:50,984 --> 00:19:54,384 Speaker 1: went on with a loose segway. No, no, she's well, 442 00:19:54,424 --> 00:19:56,664 Speaker 1: I don't know if that. She's obviously building up to 443 00:19:56,664 --> 00:19:59,984 Speaker 1: announcing the official Camp Rock movie and she's got her 444 00:19:59,984 --> 00:20:01,824 Speaker 1: own music and things coming out. But she went on 445 00:20:01,904 --> 00:20:04,904 Speaker 1: Watch What Happens Live and she was asked about Selena 446 00:20:04,904 --> 00:20:07,624 Speaker 1: Gomez's new album. Oh my god, Now this is interesting. 447 00:20:07,664 --> 00:20:09,344 Speaker 2: I think anyone just wants to see the world burn. 448 00:20:11,504 --> 00:20:15,024 Speaker 1: Because Selena Goromerz and Demi Lovado were friends from the 449 00:20:15,104 --> 00:20:17,024 Speaker 1: very very early days of their careers, right. 450 00:20:17,104 --> 00:20:19,744 Speaker 2: Yeah, they started as best friends on Barney when they 451 00:20:19,744 --> 00:20:22,744 Speaker 2: were like literal children, and then they both grew up 452 00:20:22,824 --> 00:20:26,664 Speaker 2: on Disney Channel, Selena on Wizards of Waverley Place, Demi 453 00:20:26,984 --> 00:20:29,504 Speaker 2: on Sunny with a Chance, And then they had a 454 00:20:29,544 --> 00:20:31,864 Speaker 2: movie together called The Princess Protection Program. 455 00:20:32,064 --> 00:20:33,744 Speaker 1: Oh Look at Your Face Lighting, which. 456 00:20:33,664 --> 00:20:36,344 Speaker 2: Is one of the best movies ever because this was 457 00:20:36,344 --> 00:20:40,064 Speaker 2: like this came after Disney really leant into their friendship 458 00:20:40,264 --> 00:20:42,624 Speaker 2: as a product and everyone was obsessed with them and 459 00:20:42,664 --> 00:20:45,744 Speaker 2: they had their little YouTube channel and everything, and yeah, 460 00:20:45,784 --> 00:20:47,584 Speaker 2: one of the best movies ever and the outfits are 461 00:20:47,624 --> 00:20:48,144 Speaker 2: crazy good. 462 00:20:48,384 --> 00:20:50,624 Speaker 1: Yeah, they had one of those friendships that people were 463 00:20:50,624 --> 00:20:53,424 Speaker 1: so invested in that it became monetized in a huge way. 464 00:20:53,464 --> 00:20:55,464 Speaker 1: So the pressure was always on them to really perform. 465 00:20:55,664 --> 00:20:59,344 Speaker 2: It was always them two versus Miley and her best 466 00:20:59,344 --> 00:21:03,224 Speaker 2: friend Mandy. Oh all right, yeah yeah yeah. They would 467 00:21:03,224 --> 00:21:05,704 Speaker 2: like each so each duo would make so I'm going 468 00:21:05,744 --> 00:21:07,464 Speaker 2: on a tangent on your second, you know, I love it. 469 00:21:07,624 --> 00:21:10,224 Speaker 2: Each duo would make YouTube videos when YouTube was just 470 00:21:10,424 --> 00:21:14,064 Speaker 2: kicking off. Yeah, and like Selena and Demi would post 471 00:21:14,104 --> 00:21:16,864 Speaker 2: a YouTube video and then Mandy and Miley would post 472 00:21:16,904 --> 00:21:19,744 Speaker 2: a YouTube video mocking their YouTube really and it would 473 00:21:19,744 --> 00:21:21,424 Speaker 2: just go back and forth, like I didn't know that 474 00:21:21,504 --> 00:21:22,584 Speaker 2: it was insane. 475 00:21:22,664 --> 00:21:23,784 Speaker 1: It was an insane part. 476 00:21:24,064 --> 00:21:26,544 Speaker 2: It was like the most insane time to be on YouTube. 477 00:21:26,664 --> 00:21:28,384 Speaker 2: I hate that we're on YouTube now. We should have 478 00:21:28,384 --> 00:21:30,424 Speaker 2: been on YouTube in two thousand and nine. Yeah, but 479 00:21:30,624 --> 00:21:33,064 Speaker 2: I'm like so important. It's better than just watching a podcast. 480 00:21:33,144 --> 00:21:34,504 Speaker 2: It was insane, and they always just had like the 481 00:21:34,544 --> 00:21:38,984 Speaker 2: Sepia filter. It was so I was peak. I would 482 00:21:38,984 --> 00:21:41,344 Speaker 2: get home from school and the first thing I would 483 00:21:41,344 --> 00:21:43,904 Speaker 2: do is like let my laptop load while I like 484 00:21:43,944 --> 00:21:45,744 Speaker 2: would take off. It was like it would like heat 485 00:21:45,784 --> 00:21:49,104 Speaker 2: my thighs because I was like loading his YouTube video 486 00:21:49,584 --> 00:21:52,264 Speaker 2: ongoing medical and I had my camp Rock posters on 487 00:21:52,304 --> 00:21:52,664 Speaker 2: the back. 488 00:21:52,824 --> 00:21:55,024 Speaker 1: Oh I told it time to be alive. 489 00:21:55,064 --> 00:21:55,584 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 490 00:21:55,704 --> 00:21:58,024 Speaker 1: Anyway, Well, it's so interesting that you bring that up 491 00:21:58,024 --> 00:22:00,864 Speaker 1: because that very public feuding was such a thing from 492 00:22:00,864 --> 00:22:03,624 Speaker 1: the early two thousand. Yeah, not just with the female 493 00:22:03,664 --> 00:22:05,144 Speaker 1: stars at the time, Like a lot of men do 494 00:22:05,224 --> 00:22:06,944 Speaker 1: it too, but women just did it better. They had 495 00:22:06,984 --> 00:22:10,224 Speaker 1: better insuls, they had better stories, more interesting stories. Yeah, 496 00:22:10,424 --> 00:22:11,384 Speaker 1: we didn't care about the men. 497 00:22:11,624 --> 00:22:13,544 Speaker 2: Can we just slap each other when you're done? 498 00:22:13,744 --> 00:22:16,304 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Women, it's like an it's like an art. 499 00:22:18,064 --> 00:22:20,784 Speaker 1: So everyone was very invested in Demi and Selena, and 500 00:22:20,824 --> 00:22:23,784 Speaker 1: then they had like quite a big friendship falling out, 501 00:22:23,864 --> 00:22:26,544 Speaker 1: sort of like mid two thousands, I want to say, 502 00:22:26,904 --> 00:22:28,944 Speaker 1: And there was a lot of back and forth around 503 00:22:28,944 --> 00:22:31,304 Speaker 1: like they had reading between the lines, like having your 504 00:22:31,344 --> 00:22:34,504 Speaker 1: friendship monetized. I think it became more of a job 505 00:22:34,544 --> 00:22:37,744 Speaker 1: for them and less about friendship. But there was also 506 00:22:37,744 --> 00:22:38,784 Speaker 1: the Taylor Swift factor. 507 00:22:38,784 --> 00:22:40,864 Speaker 2: I remember that the Taylor Swift factor was a big 508 00:22:40,904 --> 00:22:45,544 Speaker 2: one because Taylor and Selena got very, very close, and 509 00:22:45,624 --> 00:22:47,904 Speaker 2: it's been rumored at the reason they got really close 510 00:22:48,024 --> 00:22:51,544 Speaker 2: was because at the time Taylor was dating Joe Jonas 511 00:22:51,584 --> 00:22:53,904 Speaker 2: and Selena was dating Nick Jonas, so they were just 512 00:22:53,984 --> 00:22:56,984 Speaker 2: hanging out with each other, whereas like Miley was also 513 00:22:57,064 --> 00:22:58,984 Speaker 2: dating Nick Jonas and he was kind of going in 514 00:22:59,024 --> 00:22:59,864 Speaker 2: between the two of them. 515 00:22:59,904 --> 00:23:00,304 Speaker 1: Mmmm. 516 00:23:00,544 --> 00:23:05,264 Speaker 2: So god, Like that's like, if I had to go 517 00:23:05,304 --> 00:23:06,464 Speaker 2: back in a time and I could be a fly 518 00:23:06,584 --> 00:23:09,224 Speaker 2: on any wall, it would be Nick Jonas's relationship. 519 00:23:09,624 --> 00:23:11,304 Speaker 1: It's like they asked. It's like those movies where you 520 00:23:11,304 --> 00:23:12,904 Speaker 1: get asked, like what moment in time do you want 521 00:23:12,904 --> 00:23:15,184 Speaker 1: to go look back on or what moment what moment 522 00:23:15,224 --> 00:23:17,344 Speaker 1: from your life do you want to read live? And 523 00:23:17,384 --> 00:23:18,784 Speaker 1: you like, I want to go back to the YouTube 524 00:23:18,864 --> 00:23:20,704 Speaker 1: days of Nick Jonas and Demi Lovado's. 525 00:23:20,864 --> 00:23:25,024 Speaker 2: Nick Jonas was like the it guy, like obviously, like 526 00:23:25,024 --> 00:23:27,704 Speaker 2: everyone either loved Joe Jonas or no one really liked Kevin. 527 00:23:27,864 --> 00:23:30,464 Speaker 2: I know he's so hot now, so it's fine. He's fine, 528 00:23:30,584 --> 00:23:30,784 Speaker 2: is he? 529 00:23:30,944 --> 00:23:31,504 Speaker 1: Yea yeah? Yeah? 530 00:23:31,504 --> 00:23:33,064 Speaker 2: Oh my god. He did like a solo show the 531 00:23:33,104 --> 00:23:34,864 Speaker 2: other day, like he sang for the first time. 532 00:23:35,184 --> 00:23:37,464 Speaker 1: Oh I saw people going crazy, amazing. 533 00:23:37,584 --> 00:23:40,344 Speaker 2: Yeah, my god. Anyway, Nick Jonas and then he was 534 00:23:40,384 --> 00:23:46,184 Speaker 2: diagnosed with dice. Coming to please, He was diagnosed with diabetes. 535 00:23:45,664 --> 00:23:47,424 Speaker 1: I'm glad you laughed at attendent. I'm like, I'm sorry 536 00:23:47,464 --> 00:23:48,064 Speaker 1: we laughing. 537 00:23:47,904 --> 00:23:50,424 Speaker 2: At I'm not laughing about this. It's because the Jonahs 538 00:23:50,464 --> 00:23:52,944 Speaker 2: brothers now laugh about it. Because when Nick was diagnosed 539 00:23:52,984 --> 00:23:56,144 Speaker 2: with diabetes on Disney Channel, Disney Channel really made it 540 00:23:56,184 --> 00:23:59,744 Speaker 2: sound like he was dying. They really went in and 541 00:23:59,784 --> 00:24:02,424 Speaker 2: like there was like these girls who look like Nick. 542 00:24:02,464 --> 00:24:06,504 Speaker 2: Girls were like crying. They were like candles out for me. 543 00:24:07,664 --> 00:24:09,624 Speaker 2: And like, now the Jonah's brothers take the piss because 544 00:24:09,624 --> 00:24:13,504 Speaker 2: Disney Channel they made to. 545 00:24:13,464 --> 00:24:15,024 Speaker 1: A group of vulnerable. 546 00:24:17,664 --> 00:24:18,704 Speaker 2: It was so bad. 547 00:24:20,464 --> 00:24:22,424 Speaker 1: They're like, oh my god, we can sell like pray 548 00:24:22,424 --> 00:24:25,624 Speaker 1: fin t shirts to make it. That's literally what happened. 549 00:24:26,064 --> 00:24:28,744 Speaker 2: I was so scared of this meant like this man 550 00:24:28,944 --> 00:24:31,624 Speaker 2: was going to die on me. And look he's like fine, 551 00:24:31,664 --> 00:24:32,744 Speaker 2: he's fine, he's fine. 552 00:24:32,784 --> 00:24:36,064 Speaker 1: Well he's notoriously fine. He's got a hot wife and 553 00:24:36,064 --> 00:24:36,944 Speaker 1: and a music career. 554 00:24:37,264 --> 00:24:40,384 Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's like kind of what started. I guess defude, 555 00:24:40,384 --> 00:24:43,344 Speaker 2: because also Demi and Joe had a brief moment together 556 00:24:43,584 --> 00:24:43,984 Speaker 2: and then. 557 00:24:43,944 --> 00:24:46,264 Speaker 1: From Camp Rocky from Camp Rock. 558 00:24:46,424 --> 00:24:49,064 Speaker 2: And then Demi and Nick ended up being really really 559 00:24:49,064 --> 00:24:51,624 Speaker 2: good friends and they also did a few like music 560 00:24:51,664 --> 00:24:54,544 Speaker 2: gigs together after that, like they did like a carple 561 00:24:54,584 --> 00:24:57,144 Speaker 2: karaoke with James Corden and stuff like that much later, 562 00:24:57,704 --> 00:25:02,064 Speaker 2: But there was a huge rift between Selena and Demi, 563 00:25:02,344 --> 00:25:05,464 Speaker 2: and neither of them have like confirmed or denied that 564 00:25:05,464 --> 00:25:07,944 Speaker 2: that's happened. Like Selena is a type of person that 565 00:25:07,984 --> 00:25:09,904 Speaker 2: would never ever confirm something like that. 566 00:25:11,064 --> 00:25:14,464 Speaker 1: I mean she's kind of online and MESSI a little bit, right, oh, 567 00:25:14,464 --> 00:25:14,824 Speaker 1: I mean. 568 00:25:14,744 --> 00:25:17,624 Speaker 2: She loves deleting her Instagram and say I'm done and 569 00:25:17,664 --> 00:25:18,864 Speaker 2: then coming back two days later. 570 00:25:18,984 --> 00:25:20,744 Speaker 1: Yeah, and she loves getting in the comments of videos 571 00:25:20,744 --> 00:25:23,224 Speaker 1: like again, she's really across what's happening. Well, the whole 572 00:25:23,264 --> 00:25:24,824 Speaker 1: reason is I remember that. I think it was like 573 00:25:25,064 --> 00:25:28,064 Speaker 1: early two thousands when Demi was at an event. She 574 00:25:28,104 --> 00:25:30,464 Speaker 1: was signing photos her fans and everyone was filming her, 575 00:25:30,944 --> 00:25:33,184 Speaker 1: and one of the fans goes with her on camera 576 00:25:33,584 --> 00:25:36,384 Speaker 1: how Selena, Like you haven't spoken to Selena? Like how 577 00:25:36,464 --> 00:25:38,824 Speaker 1: is she like warning this bit of their friendship? And 578 00:25:38,824 --> 00:25:40,424 Speaker 1: Demi kind of looks into the camera and is like, 579 00:25:40,464 --> 00:25:44,424 Speaker 1: I don't know, ask Taylor. Yeah, first kind of sign, right, 580 00:25:44,504 --> 00:25:47,224 Speaker 1: that was the first sign that Demi Levada was kind 581 00:25:47,224 --> 00:25:51,064 Speaker 1: of blaming her breakup friendship with of Selena Gomez with 582 00:25:51,104 --> 00:25:53,264 Speaker 1: Taylor Slift, and then it became very much like those 583 00:25:53,304 --> 00:25:56,464 Speaker 1: two against her. And then Demi also made some comments 584 00:25:56,504 --> 00:25:58,704 Speaker 1: over the years that she didn't kind of love Taylor 585 00:25:58,744 --> 00:26:01,024 Speaker 1: Swift's squad and she was kind of inferring that it 586 00:26:01,064 --> 00:26:03,344 Speaker 1: was excluding people and she didn't like to behave like that. 587 00:26:03,624 --> 00:26:05,864 Speaker 2: But also at that in that same vein, I feel 588 00:26:05,904 --> 00:26:08,144 Speaker 2: I really do feel for Demi here, because she has 589 00:26:08,184 --> 00:26:11,464 Speaker 2: been through a really tough time, yeah, especially being a 590 00:26:11,584 --> 00:26:15,664 Speaker 2: child actor, like she's gone through rehab multiple times, She's 591 00:26:15,824 --> 00:26:18,424 Speaker 2: had to face so much hardship, and I feel like 592 00:26:18,664 --> 00:26:22,384 Speaker 2: Selena Gomez was so focused on having like the good 593 00:26:22,424 --> 00:26:25,744 Speaker 2: girl edit that she couldn't allow anything to taint that, 594 00:26:25,904 --> 00:26:28,424 Speaker 2: and Taylor Swift for the longest time also had that 595 00:26:28,464 --> 00:26:31,464 Speaker 2: same edit. Yes, so their friendship just not only worked 596 00:26:31,464 --> 00:26:33,304 Speaker 2: on a personal level because they were both getting so 597 00:26:33,304 --> 00:26:36,504 Speaker 2: so famous, but professionally it just looked good and did 598 00:26:36,624 --> 00:26:39,744 Speaker 2: so well for their brand, and Demi Lovato wasn't able 599 00:26:39,784 --> 00:26:41,704 Speaker 2: to do that for Selena Gomez, so it felt like 600 00:26:41,744 --> 00:26:44,864 Speaker 2: that on a professional level, Selena Gomez just completely cut 601 00:26:44,864 --> 00:26:45,224 Speaker 2: her off. 602 00:26:45,464 --> 00:26:47,944 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And then speaking of that whole like edit 603 00:26:48,224 --> 00:26:51,704 Speaker 1: and everything, in twenty twenty, Selena Gomez, I think Demi 604 00:26:51,784 --> 00:26:54,584 Speaker 1: Levado like to performed at a big award show, and 605 00:26:54,864 --> 00:26:57,304 Speaker 1: Selena Gomez put up a thing on Instagram saying that 606 00:26:57,344 --> 00:26:59,304 Speaker 1: she was so proud of her and she was amazing. 607 00:26:59,624 --> 00:27:01,064 Speaker 1: And then I got the exact quote up for this 608 00:27:01,064 --> 00:27:02,904 Speaker 1: because I wanted to make sure that my because it's 609 00:27:02,904 --> 00:27:05,344 Speaker 1: from like twenty twenty, I wanted to make sure that 610 00:27:05,464 --> 00:27:08,704 Speaker 1: my facts were correct. So in an interview with Harpers Bizarre, 611 00:27:08,784 --> 00:27:12,304 Speaker 1: Demi Lovado was asked about Selena Gomez making this show 612 00:27:12,344 --> 00:27:15,584 Speaker 1: of support and what she thought of it, and Demi said, 613 00:27:15,584 --> 00:27:17,424 Speaker 1: when you grew up with somebody, always going to have 614 00:27:17,464 --> 00:27:20,624 Speaker 1: love for them. But we're not friends anymore. So the 615 00:27:20,784 --> 00:27:24,224 Speaker 1: instagram post felt and then the magazine writer said she 616 00:27:24,264 --> 00:27:26,584 Speaker 1: stopped mid sentence and she just paused for a long 617 00:27:26,584 --> 00:27:29,544 Speaker 1: time because obviously she said, I'm not friends with her, 618 00:27:29,584 --> 00:27:32,024 Speaker 1: and she's deciding whether or not she kind of goes 619 00:27:32,344 --> 00:27:34,824 Speaker 1: fully into the story or not. But then she pulled back, 620 00:27:34,944 --> 00:27:37,864 Speaker 1: probably knowing the headlines that would come from it, and said, 621 00:27:37,944 --> 00:27:39,624 Speaker 1: I will always have love for her, and I wish 622 00:27:39,624 --> 00:27:42,184 Speaker 1: her nothing but the best. I wish her nothing but 623 00:27:42,264 --> 00:27:43,944 Speaker 1: the best. Is what you say about someone that you 624 00:27:44,024 --> 00:27:48,584 Speaker 1: have no intention of really speaking with again? Really yeah, yeah, don't. 625 00:27:48,384 --> 00:27:50,224 Speaker 2: You think, oh my god, well I guess so, or like. 626 00:27:50,184 --> 00:27:52,024 Speaker 1: A stranger or someone you're a stranger. I wish them 627 00:27:52,064 --> 00:27:53,944 Speaker 1: nothing but the best, but I wish to have no 628 00:27:54,024 --> 00:27:56,104 Speaker 1: contact with them. Is the vibe? 629 00:27:56,704 --> 00:28:00,744 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that changes thing. But also yeah, h I 630 00:28:00,784 --> 00:28:03,544 Speaker 2: feel like she has to like she has to be 631 00:28:03,544 --> 00:28:06,544 Speaker 2: so careful, right, Like the pr Selena Gomez machine is 632 00:28:06,584 --> 00:28:07,784 Speaker 2: in full strength. 633 00:28:08,344 --> 00:28:10,344 Speaker 1: Yes, And that's again bringing us back to what happened 634 00:28:10,464 --> 00:28:12,264 Speaker 1: this week, because the reason people are talking about this 635 00:28:12,344 --> 00:28:14,584 Speaker 1: is obviously so many people like yourself and me too, 636 00:28:14,864 --> 00:28:17,224 Speaker 1: grew up with these people, with Selena and Demi, and 637 00:28:17,224 --> 00:28:19,384 Speaker 1: everyone wants to see this big friendship reunion. They have 638 00:28:19,504 --> 00:28:22,024 Speaker 1: posted little things together over the years, like at an event, 639 00:28:22,264 --> 00:28:23,784 Speaker 1: they'll be in a photo together, like. 640 00:28:24,024 --> 00:28:26,424 Speaker 2: There was a photo that went viral in twenty seventeen. Yeah, 641 00:28:26,424 --> 00:28:29,224 Speaker 2: and they were together. But I also think, like, what's 642 00:28:29,304 --> 00:28:32,264 Speaker 2: really bad, like shitty about being a celebrity of this level, 643 00:28:32,304 --> 00:28:35,104 Speaker 2: especially when you're a child celebrity, is that you really 644 00:28:35,144 --> 00:28:39,304 Speaker 2: can't just have seasonal friends. Yeah, like people live off 645 00:28:39,384 --> 00:28:42,864 Speaker 2: celebrity friendships and then when they're just like not friends anymore, 646 00:28:42,904 --> 00:28:45,704 Speaker 2: which happens to everyone like there sometimes you'll be like 647 00:28:45,744 --> 00:28:47,984 Speaker 2: you're never like, I don't know many people who are 648 00:28:47,984 --> 00:28:50,384 Speaker 2: still friends with people they did a job with when 649 00:28:50,384 --> 00:28:51,624 Speaker 2: they were nine years old. 650 00:28:51,944 --> 00:28:52,624 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. 651 00:28:52,664 --> 00:28:52,864 Speaker 2: I know. 652 00:28:52,904 --> 00:28:54,744 Speaker 1: There's so many people who I was I've been really 653 00:28:54,744 --> 00:28:56,504 Speaker 1: close friends with in my adult life and we just 654 00:28:56,544 --> 00:28:58,824 Speaker 1: because we've moved cities and jobs have just drifted apart 655 00:28:58,904 --> 00:29:00,624 Speaker 1: and that's fine, and we were in the public life, 656 00:29:00,744 --> 00:29:02,544 Speaker 1: they would look very scandal because. 657 00:29:02,344 --> 00:29:04,784 Speaker 2: There's so many people who are obsessed with that friendship. 658 00:29:04,904 --> 00:29:07,144 Speaker 1: I think that's why when Demi Levado was asked this 659 00:29:07,184 --> 00:29:10,184 Speaker 1: week and Watch What Happens Live asked recently, she kind 660 00:29:10,184 --> 00:29:13,104 Speaker 1: of went like really full force, very positive, and she 661 00:29:13,184 --> 00:29:15,144 Speaker 1: was like, the album's amazing. I've listened to it so 662 00:29:15,144 --> 00:29:17,424 Speaker 1: many times. She named a song, so I think she 663 00:29:17,464 --> 00:29:19,424 Speaker 1: was like very prepared that she might be asked about 664 00:29:19,424 --> 00:29:21,424 Speaker 1: this or she's listening to the album like I don't 665 00:29:21,424 --> 00:29:23,864 Speaker 1: want to discredit her. And then she talked about Selena 666 00:29:23,904 --> 00:29:26,704 Speaker 1: Gomez's upcoming wedding, which is reported to be this month 667 00:29:26,784 --> 00:29:29,064 Speaker 1: or next month, like it's really soon to Benny Blanco 668 00:29:29,464 --> 00:29:31,464 Speaker 1: and said she was so excited for her and really 669 00:29:31,464 --> 00:29:33,104 Speaker 1: and like but also very much in ferry that she 670 00:29:33,104 --> 00:29:35,304 Speaker 1: obviously wasn't going to the wedding, which is fair enough. 671 00:29:35,664 --> 00:29:37,904 Speaker 1: But what I also thought about that is like every 672 00:29:37,944 --> 00:29:40,584 Speaker 1: time these girls from the early two thousands who had 673 00:29:40,584 --> 00:29:44,384 Speaker 1: these very public feuds, so like Damie Levado, Selena Gomez, 674 00:29:44,704 --> 00:29:48,224 Speaker 1: Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan, whenever they're asked about them, they 675 00:29:48,224 --> 00:29:50,224 Speaker 1: always kind of laugh it off and say, oh, but 676 00:29:50,264 --> 00:29:52,464 Speaker 1: we're married now, Like we're married now, we don't fight, 677 00:29:52,584 --> 00:29:54,464 Speaker 1: and I always isn't that really weird that they've all 678 00:29:54,904 --> 00:29:58,464 Speaker 1: got this thing of like marriage like erases like any 679 00:29:58,504 --> 00:30:02,184 Speaker 1: bad behavior, it erases any suity. Like it's like, yeah, 680 00:30:02,224 --> 00:30:04,424 Speaker 1: like once you're married, you're a properly adult and then 681 00:30:04,464 --> 00:30:06,984 Speaker 1: you don't have time for feuds and like you think differently, 682 00:30:07,024 --> 00:30:09,824 Speaker 1: like you're a different person. I just don't think that's true. 683 00:30:09,624 --> 00:30:11,984 Speaker 2: But it's I know, I think it's true in the 684 00:30:12,024 --> 00:30:14,744 Speaker 2: sense that like that's how the public perceived them now. Yeah, 685 00:30:14,744 --> 00:30:17,704 Speaker 2: like if you think about it, also, DEMI recently got married. 686 00:30:17,784 --> 00:30:19,864 Speaker 1: That's the other thing. Yeah, that's what she was kind 687 00:30:19,864 --> 00:30:21,904 Speaker 1: of inferring from the comment. I think she's like, I'm 688 00:30:21,944 --> 00:30:24,744 Speaker 1: married now, so I'm an adult. Selena's getting married, so 689 00:30:24,824 --> 00:30:26,944 Speaker 1: she's an adult, so we would never fight anymore. 690 00:30:27,064 --> 00:30:29,544 Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like she's leaning into that whole notion that 691 00:30:29,864 --> 00:30:32,424 Speaker 2: now she's married and she's putting out new music, this 692 00:30:32,504 --> 00:30:35,984 Speaker 2: is like the first bout of positive pr Demi Levada 693 00:30:36,024 --> 00:30:38,464 Speaker 2: has gone in a really, really long time. And she's 694 00:30:38,464 --> 00:30:40,624 Speaker 2: probably saying that, like, oh, now you guys like me 695 00:30:40,704 --> 00:30:43,104 Speaker 2: because I'm married. Yeah, And I feel like she's probably 696 00:30:43,144 --> 00:30:44,864 Speaker 2: so sick of it that she's just leaning in and 697 00:30:44,904 --> 00:30:46,424 Speaker 2: going like, you know what, I actually don't want to 698 00:30:46,464 --> 00:30:48,464 Speaker 2: deal with this anymore, So I'm just gonna lean in. 699 00:30:48,544 --> 00:30:50,384 Speaker 2: If you like me, fine. I hate that this is 700 00:30:50,384 --> 00:30:54,224 Speaker 2: the reason why, but I do not want to start anything. 701 00:30:53,944 --> 00:30:55,944 Speaker 1: Right now exactly. I think that's also why even when 702 00:30:55,984 --> 00:30:58,504 Speaker 1: like Britney Spears got married, everyone was celebrating that. Obviously 703 00:30:58,544 --> 00:31:00,184 Speaker 1: there was a whole thing about her coming out of 704 00:31:00,224 --> 00:31:02,624 Speaker 1: the conservative ship, but it was also like, oh, now 705 00:31:02,624 --> 00:31:04,584 Speaker 1: she's like a proper adult and she won't have any 706 00:31:04,624 --> 00:31:06,464 Speaker 1: of these issues anymore, and I just want to Yeah. 707 00:31:06,464 --> 00:31:08,944 Speaker 1: I find it really weird that all of these celeb 708 00:31:09,064 --> 00:31:12,144 Speaker 1: girls who we love think that, like the idea of 709 00:31:12,304 --> 00:31:15,264 Speaker 1: marriage is kind of like the rebranding they needed. It's 710 00:31:15,304 --> 00:31:17,664 Speaker 1: almost like the public will give them a second chance now, 711 00:31:17,784 --> 00:31:20,024 Speaker 1: which they kind of do. I do think that, like 712 00:31:20,104 --> 00:31:22,504 Speaker 1: with all these quote unquote kind of like comebacks of 713 00:31:22,544 --> 00:31:27,104 Speaker 1: like Demi Levado and Lindsay Lohan and everyone, that we 714 00:31:27,104 --> 00:31:30,184 Speaker 1: wouldn't have accepted them if they hadn't been like married 715 00:31:30,184 --> 00:31:32,184 Speaker 1: with kids and all that sort of stuff. I agree 716 00:31:32,344 --> 00:31:34,104 Speaker 1: if they and I just think that I would be 717 00:31:34,144 --> 00:31:36,704 Speaker 1: more I mean a shit, it's like shit right, yeah, yeah, 718 00:31:36,704 --> 00:31:37,104 Speaker 1: like you. 719 00:31:36,984 --> 00:31:39,104 Speaker 2: Think, like Lindsay Lowen, like and it's so true, like 720 00:31:39,104 --> 00:31:41,824 Speaker 2: with the freaking of Friday Premier and like the press 721 00:31:41,864 --> 00:31:44,304 Speaker 2: junkets that they were doing when they were in Australia 722 00:31:44,344 --> 00:31:47,704 Speaker 2: and internationally, a lot of the questions Lindsay was being 723 00:31:47,704 --> 00:31:48,984 Speaker 2: asked was about being a mother. 724 00:31:49,504 --> 00:31:50,584 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm like. 725 00:31:50,504 --> 00:31:52,624 Speaker 2: Would you guys even like consider her as this like 726 00:31:52,624 --> 00:31:55,784 Speaker 2: a successful movie or successful piece of content if she 727 00:31:55,944 --> 00:31:58,744 Speaker 2: wasn't a mother, if she wasn't married, Like, I think 728 00:31:58,784 --> 00:32:01,864 Speaker 2: it's just it's really it sucks, but I think it's 729 00:32:01,904 --> 00:32:04,424 Speaker 2: also just a safe place for celebrity women to be in. 730 00:32:04,744 --> 00:32:06,544 Speaker 1: Yeah, and exactly it's the same thing with Paris Hilton, 731 00:32:06,584 --> 00:32:08,264 Speaker 1: Like when she got married all of a sudden. She 732 00:32:08,344 --> 00:32:10,064 Speaker 1: every time anyone asked her about any of her because 733 00:32:10,064 --> 00:32:11,704 Speaker 1: she said so many public feuds, and I guess a 734 00:32:11,744 --> 00:32:13,784 Speaker 1: lot of the people she feuded with are coming back 735 00:32:13,824 --> 00:32:15,904 Speaker 1: into the spotlight. She was like, oh no, no, we 736 00:32:15,944 --> 00:32:19,344 Speaker 1: would never like we're married now. Like it's I understand 737 00:32:19,424 --> 00:32:21,864 Speaker 1: saying like we were young then, because like you obviously 738 00:32:21,944 --> 00:32:24,024 Speaker 1: changed from when you're young to being an adult. But 739 00:32:24,344 --> 00:32:26,144 Speaker 1: I think that's kind of a strange thing. And I 740 00:32:26,184 --> 00:32:28,584 Speaker 1: also have a lot of hope for Hillary Duff doing 741 00:32:28,584 --> 00:32:31,264 Speaker 1: a press too with her new music and her documentary, 742 00:32:31,344 --> 00:32:34,264 Speaker 1: because Hillary Duff, notoriously over the years will talk smack 743 00:32:34,304 --> 00:32:34,904 Speaker 1: about anyone. 744 00:32:35,064 --> 00:32:36,864 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love including you. 745 00:32:37,104 --> 00:32:37,344 Speaker 1: Yeah. 746 00:32:38,664 --> 00:32:41,904 Speaker 2: But even the same thing with Taylor Swift, right, yeah, 747 00:32:41,984 --> 00:32:44,864 Speaker 2: Like it's like when she announced her engagement, it's like 748 00:32:45,144 --> 00:32:49,544 Speaker 2: this worldwide sense of relief, like she's finally found the person, 749 00:32:49,704 --> 00:32:52,264 Speaker 2: just finally settled down. And I'm like, if she just 750 00:32:52,304 --> 00:32:56,144 Speaker 2: stayed single her whole life and was happy with being that, yeah, 751 00:32:56,184 --> 00:32:57,504 Speaker 2: we would never be happy with that. 752 00:32:57,624 --> 00:32:59,984 Speaker 1: No, the world would not have said that. Absolutely not. 753 00:33:00,784 --> 00:33:01,464 Speaker 2: I don't like that. 754 00:33:01,624 --> 00:33:02,104 Speaker 1: I don't like that. 755 00:33:02,104 --> 00:33:02,944 Speaker 2: I don't subscribe to that. 756 00:33:03,024 --> 00:33:05,024 Speaker 1: Bring back women fighting publicly. No, I don't mean that. 757 00:33:05,424 --> 00:33:09,104 Speaker 1: Bring back single women fighting, Yeah yeah, Let single women 758 00:33:09,144 --> 00:33:13,784 Speaker 1: fight and tear each other down. Let the world heal. Well, 759 00:33:13,824 --> 00:33:15,664 Speaker 1: thank you so much for listening to The Spill today. 760 00:33:15,704 --> 00:33:17,824 Speaker 1: Please don't cancel us for those last comments. We'll do 761 00:33:18,064 --> 00:33:18,784 Speaker 1: leave us a review. 762 00:33:18,864 --> 00:33:19,504 Speaker 2: We won't mind. 763 00:33:20,184 --> 00:33:23,064 Speaker 1: And obviously it's a huge day across the world. But 764 00:33:23,144 --> 00:33:26,144 Speaker 1: also here at the Spill because the Summer I Turned 765 00:33:26,224 --> 00:33:29,144 Speaker 1: Pretty finale was just last night. So as we said, 766 00:33:29,144 --> 00:33:32,584 Speaker 1: tomorrow's episode of the Spill is our brutally honest review 767 00:33:32,584 --> 00:33:35,184 Speaker 1: of this season. 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