1 00:00:11,149 --> 00:00:13,909 Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,829 --> 00:00:17,869 Speaker 2: Mom and Maya acknowledges the traditional owners of land and 3 00:00:17,949 --> 00:00:20,069 Speaker 2: waters that this podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:21,389 --> 00:00:23,229 Speaker 3: I am pregnant. 5 00:00:26,749 --> 00:00:27,749 Speaker 4: Welcome to Hello Bump. 6 00:00:27,789 --> 00:00:30,909 Speaker 2: We're making pregnancy less overwhelming and more manageable. 7 00:00:31,149 --> 00:00:31,789 Speaker 4: I'm Grace River. 8 00:00:31,909 --> 00:00:34,629 Speaker 2: I'm pregnant for the first time, and my bump is 9 00:00:34,669 --> 00:00:35,469 Speaker 2: now noticeable. 10 00:00:35,829 --> 00:00:38,829 Speaker 4: I think definitely to me, and. 11 00:00:38,709 --> 00:00:39,429 Speaker 1: I'm out of Himan. 12 00:00:39,429 --> 00:00:41,029 Speaker 3: I'm a former olympian, and I'm a mother of six, 13 00:00:41,069 --> 00:00:42,789 Speaker 3: and I'm now training to be an obstrician, so. 14 00:00:42,709 --> 00:00:44,789 Speaker 1: I get to deliver your babies. It's very, very cool. 15 00:00:45,269 --> 00:00:47,309 Speaker 2: Each episode, Deanna and I will be holding your hand 16 00:00:47,349 --> 00:00:50,269 Speaker 2: week by week through the mysterious, perplexing, and sometimes bumpy 17 00:00:50,389 --> 00:00:51,829 Speaker 2: miracle that is pregnancy. 18 00:00:52,389 --> 00:00:56,429 Speaker 4: Week fifteen, Yanna, what size is our baby? Are we 19 00:00:56,469 --> 00:00:58,149 Speaker 4: still a fruit? Are we in the orchard still? 20 00:00:58,589 --> 00:00:59,869 Speaker 3: I mean, I can call it a pair because that's 21 00:00:59,869 --> 00:01:01,469 Speaker 3: what I've got written down here, But we can change 22 00:01:01,469 --> 00:01:02,389 Speaker 3: to pringles if you like. 23 00:01:02,429 --> 00:01:05,829 Speaker 1: A small cat of pringles is avertising. 24 00:01:05,469 --> 00:01:08,269 Speaker 4: That feels more on brand for what I'm consuming, or a. 25 00:01:08,189 --> 00:01:10,069 Speaker 1: Whiskey glass not what you should be consuming. 26 00:01:10,309 --> 00:01:15,669 Speaker 4: I've got a cassette mixtape because love, that's the size 27 00:01:15,709 --> 00:01:15,829 Speaker 4: of it. 28 00:01:16,069 --> 00:01:17,389 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, if you want to picture it yourself though, 29 00:01:17,389 --> 00:01:19,029 Speaker 3: you can actually hold your fist up, so it's actually 30 00:01:19,069 --> 00:01:22,029 Speaker 3: around similar sizing your fist, huh, like the size of 31 00:01:22,029 --> 00:01:22,509 Speaker 3: a uterus. 32 00:01:22,629 --> 00:01:25,709 Speaker 4: So, and how have they grown this week? 33 00:01:26,309 --> 00:01:29,709 Speaker 3: Importantly this week babies bones in their ears are starting 34 00:01:29,709 --> 00:01:31,789 Speaker 3: to develop, so they might start soon being out of here. 35 00:01:31,869 --> 00:01:33,389 Speaker 3: Now that's when when you say here people, Oh, does 36 00:01:33,389 --> 00:01:34,709 Speaker 3: that mean they can hear my voice? No, they can 37 00:01:34,749 --> 00:01:37,029 Speaker 3: hear what's going on inside your uterus, which is not 38 00:01:37,189 --> 00:01:41,989 Speaker 3: much blood flow, beatn vibration, vibrations. Yeah, so there's not 39 00:01:42,069 --> 00:01:43,669 Speaker 3: you know, soon they will be out here more and 40 00:01:43,669 --> 00:01:45,109 Speaker 3: more and more and more. But at this point they're 41 00:01:45,149 --> 00:01:48,549 Speaker 3: at least starting to work and their little body is 42 00:01:48,589 --> 00:01:50,509 Speaker 3: now starting to catch the size of their head. So 43 00:01:50,509 --> 00:01:52,909 Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember from the olt they've done. Yeah, 44 00:01:53,229 --> 00:01:55,549 Speaker 3: we're starting to look again more human like. 45 00:01:56,709 --> 00:02:00,069 Speaker 2: And they're still but they're quite curled up still still 46 00:02:00,149 --> 00:02:03,349 Speaker 2: curls have an unfilled yet love it No, not yet, 47 00:02:03,429 --> 00:02:04,229 Speaker 2: soon soon soon? 48 00:02:04,789 --> 00:02:08,309 Speaker 4: What hap? What's happening to me? And what is happening 49 00:02:08,469 --> 00:02:09,149 Speaker 4: with our body? 50 00:02:09,749 --> 00:02:11,429 Speaker 3: Well, you know how we talked about that hot glow? 51 00:02:11,549 --> 00:02:13,909 Speaker 3: It should be coming more now. So this is the 52 00:02:13,909 --> 00:02:16,229 Speaker 3: time most women feel the best in their pregnancy because 53 00:02:16,349 --> 00:02:18,469 Speaker 3: most of the nausea is sort of reducing for most 54 00:02:18,549 --> 00:02:20,509 Speaker 3: I know that there's I know there's people shaking their 55 00:02:20,509 --> 00:02:21,789 Speaker 3: heads at me right now and going, that's a load 56 00:02:21,829 --> 00:02:24,389 Speaker 3: of grape yarn because I feel terrible. But for the 57 00:02:24,509 --> 00:02:26,549 Speaker 3: vast majority, that should be improving. You should be feeling 58 00:02:26,549 --> 00:02:29,389 Speaker 3: a bit more energized, and that pregnancy glow should be 59 00:02:29,389 --> 00:02:30,589 Speaker 3: coming in a little bit more. 60 00:02:37,749 --> 00:02:39,109 Speaker 4: Is this normal? Is normal? 61 00:02:39,429 --> 00:02:42,469 Speaker 2: Does everyone get the like your hair stop shedding? Is 62 00:02:42,469 --> 00:02:44,949 Speaker 2: that everyone in pregnancy or. 63 00:02:44,989 --> 00:02:46,909 Speaker 3: Most people, most of us say they're thickened through that 64 00:02:46,949 --> 00:02:49,469 Speaker 3: and then they have that horrible Please be prepared after birth. 65 00:02:49,509 --> 00:02:51,949 Speaker 3: Your your pillow is covered in hairs. All that lovely 66 00:02:52,069 --> 00:02:55,909 Speaker 3: volume you're now creating very promptly decides. 67 00:02:55,549 --> 00:02:58,349 Speaker 1: To fall out when you're when you're postpartum. 68 00:02:57,789 --> 00:03:00,069 Speaker 2: And most women find that quite overwhelming because it does 69 00:03:00,109 --> 00:03:03,069 Speaker 2: feel like they're boarding. But ideally we shed what one 70 00:03:03,109 --> 00:03:05,189 Speaker 2: hundred hairs a day, and you're just not shodding much. 71 00:03:05,309 --> 00:03:07,629 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I remember it was clumps you brush your 72 00:03:07,629 --> 00:03:09,269 Speaker 3: hair and looked like half my head was coming off, 73 00:03:09,309 --> 00:03:11,709 Speaker 3: And I was better of and for some It actually 74 00:03:11,709 --> 00:03:13,509 Speaker 3: does have sort of an alopecius sort of picture where 75 00:03:13,509 --> 00:03:15,869 Speaker 3: they do lose so much you can notice it. But 76 00:03:15,909 --> 00:03:18,749 Speaker 3: you know, hopefully you're home bonding with your baby through 77 00:03:18,749 --> 00:03:20,429 Speaker 3: that period, but you'll also notice and when we're getting 78 00:03:20,429 --> 00:03:22,069 Speaker 3: ahead of OURSELVESI but a lot of new growth as 79 00:03:22,109 --> 00:03:24,389 Speaker 3: well of hair in pregnancy and then that postpart and 80 00:03:24,429 --> 00:03:25,709 Speaker 3: once it's fallen out, you'll get a lot of that 81 00:03:25,789 --> 00:03:28,109 Speaker 3: new short hair, nice healthy hair to come back again. 82 00:03:28,989 --> 00:03:31,029 Speaker 4: It's like everything is terrible, everything is normal. 83 00:03:31,229 --> 00:03:33,589 Speaker 3: Yeah, well your nails get really nice and strong now, 84 00:03:33,669 --> 00:03:35,509 Speaker 3: so they usually get lots longer and stronger. 85 00:03:35,669 --> 00:03:37,309 Speaker 4: Yeah, I've got that. I do have. 86 00:03:39,989 --> 00:03:44,389 Speaker 2: I want to know about food, coffee, tea. I'm not 87 00:03:44,429 --> 00:03:47,469 Speaker 2: a massive coffee person anyway, because it affects me quite 88 00:03:47,509 --> 00:03:50,069 Speaker 2: in an anxious way. But in terms of tea, like 89 00:03:50,109 --> 00:03:52,189 Speaker 2: I look up how many cups of tea can I have? 90 00:03:52,629 --> 00:03:57,469 Speaker 2: The Internet says only two hundred milligrams of caffeine, And 91 00:03:57,469 --> 00:03:58,789 Speaker 2: then I was like, oh, but a cup is like 92 00:03:59,149 --> 00:04:01,749 Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty milligrams, but that's not a full 93 00:04:01,789 --> 00:04:04,429 Speaker 2: cup of caffeine. Like, what's the breakdown of coffee and 94 00:04:04,469 --> 00:04:06,029 Speaker 2: tea and how many you can have and. 95 00:04:06,029 --> 00:04:08,389 Speaker 3: Look, I remember this is all guidelines and it's really 96 00:04:08,469 --> 00:04:11,589 Speaker 3: interesting because the rams, which the college I am starting under, 97 00:04:11,629 --> 00:04:14,509 Speaker 3: will give you very specific do not eat soft cheeses, eat, 98 00:04:14,589 --> 00:04:17,029 Speaker 3: do not drink coffee, stop your alcohol, because that's what 99 00:04:17,829 --> 00:04:20,189 Speaker 3: the guidelines say, The guidelines and the research says, don't 100 00:04:20,189 --> 00:04:21,989 Speaker 3: have these things because we know it can have well 101 00:04:22,029 --> 00:04:23,829 Speaker 3: actually it's what we don't know it does to the baby, 102 00:04:23,869 --> 00:04:25,829 Speaker 3: So it could have a potential what we call triatogenic, 103 00:04:25,909 --> 00:04:28,029 Speaker 3: which means problem for the baby and cause problems with 104 00:04:28,069 --> 00:04:30,949 Speaker 3: its growth or its brain development. So the restrictions of 105 00:04:30,949 --> 00:04:32,829 Speaker 3: the guidelines are there to guide you on what you do. 106 00:04:32,869 --> 00:04:35,189 Speaker 3: We also live in different countries like for example, soft cheeses. 107 00:04:35,229 --> 00:04:37,109 Speaker 3: In Australia, all of our cheese, if you buy it 108 00:04:37,109 --> 00:04:40,069 Speaker 3: from Allies, for example, is pasteurize. You can actually turn 109 00:04:40,109 --> 00:04:41,469 Speaker 3: the cheese over and you can see that it says 110 00:04:41,509 --> 00:04:43,389 Speaker 3: pasteurized milk. And that was the main concern in the 111 00:04:43,389 --> 00:04:45,869 Speaker 3: past is that the processing of that cheese wasn't safe 112 00:04:45,949 --> 00:04:48,349 Speaker 3: enough that salmonella, for example, one of the biggest concerns 113 00:04:48,349 --> 00:04:50,949 Speaker 3: we have, could be in the cheese. You subsequently eat 114 00:04:50,989 --> 00:04:52,909 Speaker 3: it and then it could cause pretty catastrophic problems for 115 00:04:52,949 --> 00:04:53,469 Speaker 3: the pregnancy. 116 00:04:54,109 --> 00:04:56,429 Speaker 1: Caffeine. As you said, maximum two hundred. You have done 117 00:04:56,469 --> 00:04:57,029 Speaker 1: your research. 118 00:04:57,229 --> 00:05:00,149 Speaker 3: But a shot, for example, only has eighty milligrams of 119 00:05:00,149 --> 00:05:02,869 Speaker 3: caffeine in it, So theoretically you could have two shots of. 120 00:05:04,349 --> 00:05:06,149 Speaker 1: Little tiny shots of coffee and you'd be okay. 121 00:05:06,789 --> 00:05:09,389 Speaker 3: Tea varies, black cheese can be sometimes eighty. Sometimes there 122 00:05:09,389 --> 00:05:12,029 Speaker 3: are only fifteen or extme millograms, so it kind of 123 00:05:12,069 --> 00:05:15,429 Speaker 3: depends what you're taking. Weirdly, instant coffee can have up 124 00:05:15,429 --> 00:05:17,789 Speaker 3: to one hundred and fifty milligrams of caffeine, so I 125 00:05:17,829 --> 00:05:19,349 Speaker 3: would have thought, yeah, I would have thought, like a 126 00:05:19,349 --> 00:05:21,749 Speaker 3: shot from the cop like from barrista, is going to 127 00:05:21,829 --> 00:05:22,189 Speaker 3: have more. 128 00:05:22,949 --> 00:05:23,509 Speaker 1: It depends. 129 00:05:23,669 --> 00:05:25,309 Speaker 3: So the hard part is I think, if you limit 130 00:05:25,309 --> 00:05:27,029 Speaker 3: yourself to one coffee a day because you like it 131 00:05:27,069 --> 00:05:29,509 Speaker 3: and it helps your mood and you feel nice, go 132 00:05:29,629 --> 00:05:31,669 Speaker 3: for it. But again, guys, that's just me. If you're 133 00:05:31,789 --> 00:05:34,309 Speaker 3: obstetrition or someone has specifically said stay away from it 134 00:05:34,309 --> 00:05:36,149 Speaker 3: things for example, if you have a racing heart and 135 00:05:36,269 --> 00:05:39,109 Speaker 3: or a reason why you might want want to have 136 00:05:39,189 --> 00:05:42,069 Speaker 3: your coffee, then don't. But remember these are all guidelines. 137 00:05:42,229 --> 00:05:44,589 Speaker 3: There's heaps of great resources online. My college has a 138 00:05:44,589 --> 00:05:45,909 Speaker 3: good one. You go on Raandsco. They've got lots of 139 00:05:45,949 --> 00:05:48,469 Speaker 3: options for pregnancy to have a look at, and you 140 00:05:48,549 --> 00:05:51,189 Speaker 3: decide what's right for you. And I bet your obstetrican 141 00:05:51,269 --> 00:05:54,029 Speaker 3: will be different from the one on there, because mine 142 00:05:54,029 --> 00:05:55,349 Speaker 3: said eat whatever you watch like. 143 00:05:55,389 --> 00:05:57,069 Speaker 1: He was so, yeah, he was so. 144 00:05:57,149 --> 00:05:59,949 Speaker 3: He'd been an obstrition for thirty forty years, my first one. 145 00:06:00,349 --> 00:06:01,829 Speaker 3: And he's like, I don't care about eating cheeses. You 146 00:06:01,829 --> 00:06:03,389 Speaker 3: can eat your eggs, just don't eat raw fish. 147 00:06:03,469 --> 00:06:07,789 Speaker 2: I'm like, on this same train of thought, why are 148 00:06:07,869 --> 00:06:09,669 Speaker 2: baths like illegal. 149 00:06:10,989 --> 00:06:11,629 Speaker 1: Overheating? 150 00:06:11,669 --> 00:06:13,589 Speaker 3: So your a little one inside can't regulate its own 151 00:06:13,589 --> 00:06:15,549 Speaker 3: body temperature. It relies on you to do that. So 152 00:06:16,309 --> 00:06:18,429 Speaker 3: you feel nice and hot and warm and really enjoy 153 00:06:18,469 --> 00:06:21,749 Speaker 3: the hot, hot bath, and they just get too hot inside. 154 00:06:21,829 --> 00:06:23,749 Speaker 3: And you know, it's basically if you can imagine if 155 00:06:23,749 --> 00:06:25,389 Speaker 3: you set yourself in the sun and basically didn't have 156 00:06:25,669 --> 00:06:27,989 Speaker 3: an ability to get out of that heat. And so 157 00:06:28,109 --> 00:06:30,669 Speaker 3: we say, look, lukewarm, bards are usually so hot. Showers 158 00:06:30,669 --> 00:06:32,749 Speaker 3: are fine, but just keep an eye on your temperature. 159 00:06:32,789 --> 00:06:34,829 Speaker 3: I might share a little anecdote here. So I was 160 00:06:34,869 --> 00:06:37,589 Speaker 3: training through the Olympics for my first pregnancy, running very 161 00:06:37,589 --> 00:06:40,309 Speaker 3: hard and we use rectoral temperature because we knew that 162 00:06:40,349 --> 00:06:42,909 Speaker 3: was close to the training, so I would train. I 163 00:06:42,949 --> 00:06:44,669 Speaker 3: didn't even monitor my heart beat, which is what a 164 00:06:44,669 --> 00:06:47,229 Speaker 3: lot of athletes did. I actually monitored my internal body temperature, 165 00:06:47,229 --> 00:06:48,829 Speaker 3: which is disgusting and growth, but it allowed me to 166 00:06:48,869 --> 00:06:51,109 Speaker 3: actually make sure I wasn't overheating. So we'd check oral 167 00:06:51,149 --> 00:06:53,349 Speaker 3: and rectoral temperature to make sure my body wasn't overheating. 168 00:06:53,349 --> 00:06:56,269 Speaker 3: That's how important temperature is to the growing baby. 169 00:06:56,829 --> 00:06:58,549 Speaker 4: Is the ten minute rule a safe for all? 170 00:06:59,309 --> 00:07:01,789 Speaker 2: My little anecdote is that I did go to Japan, yeah, 171 00:07:02,029 --> 00:07:05,029 Speaker 2: in my second trimester, and there's Onsen's there, and I 172 00:07:05,069 --> 00:07:07,749 Speaker 2: did go in them for ten minutes, and then I 173 00:07:08,109 --> 00:07:10,709 Speaker 2: came out after that because of not because I was like, 174 00:07:10,869 --> 00:07:13,669 Speaker 2: the Internet told me that it's okay, it's Google. I 175 00:07:13,709 --> 00:07:16,789 Speaker 2: know now I feel like I'm confessing to you, but 176 00:07:17,069 --> 00:07:18,869 Speaker 2: that is a time limit safe. 177 00:07:19,109 --> 00:07:19,309 Speaker 1: Look. 178 00:07:19,309 --> 00:07:21,109 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm probably not experienced enough to be able 179 00:07:21,109 --> 00:07:23,469 Speaker 3: to I haven't done research in that space, but to me, 180 00:07:23,749 --> 00:07:25,429 Speaker 3: just as a mother to you, I can't see how 181 00:07:25,429 --> 00:07:27,509 Speaker 3: that'd be a concern because ten minutes is not going 182 00:07:27,509 --> 00:07:29,309 Speaker 3: to give time for everything to heat up. And I 183 00:07:29,349 --> 00:07:30,869 Speaker 3: mean I've reason to be in Japan as well, and 184 00:07:30,909 --> 00:07:32,429 Speaker 3: the on sense were lovely and warm, but they weren't 185 00:07:32,429 --> 00:07:34,709 Speaker 3: boiling hot. I didn't get out your skin's nott red, 186 00:07:34,789 --> 00:07:37,149 Speaker 3: So he's one of the things to look at. Ten 187 00:07:37,189 --> 00:07:38,749 Speaker 3: minutes is such a short period of time. And if 188 00:07:38,749 --> 00:07:40,549 Speaker 3: it was Japan in December, you then go out in 189 00:07:40,549 --> 00:07:42,629 Speaker 3: the cold, so I think you probably reregulated your body 190 00:07:42,629 --> 00:07:43,549 Speaker 3: temperature pretty quickly. 191 00:07:43,589 --> 00:07:44,669 Speaker 4: Yeah. I came out and I was like, I've had 192 00:07:44,709 --> 00:07:47,069 Speaker 4: showers hotter than that. It's fine. I remember all those. 193 00:07:46,949 --> 00:07:48,469 Speaker 3: People that didn't even know they were pregnant this stage, 194 00:07:48,509 --> 00:07:49,549 Speaker 3: we're all having hot barts. 195 00:07:49,589 --> 00:07:51,589 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think we need to just give ourselves 196 00:07:51,629 --> 00:07:52,349 Speaker 1: a little bit of a bloke. 197 00:07:52,429 --> 00:07:55,109 Speaker 2: There lots of doos and dons. But speaking of doos 198 00:07:55,149 --> 00:07:56,709 Speaker 2: and dons, what can we do. 199 00:07:58,389 --> 00:07:58,749 Speaker 1: Well? 200 00:07:59,229 --> 00:08:01,189 Speaker 3: I think at this point is a wonderful time to 201 00:08:01,229 --> 00:08:03,429 Speaker 3: engage in a pregnancy massage. On that note, you love 202 00:08:03,429 --> 00:08:06,589 Speaker 3: your feet massages, but a nice professional one outside of 203 00:08:06,589 --> 00:08:08,629 Speaker 3: the home who specializes in pregnancy you can also be 204 00:08:08,629 --> 00:08:10,709 Speaker 3: really good for that aching back that's like starting to 205 00:08:11,269 --> 00:08:13,869 Speaker 3: start kicking in soon too a little bit. 206 00:08:13,909 --> 00:08:15,869 Speaker 4: My key take, that's a great one. 207 00:08:17,509 --> 00:08:23,029 Speaker 2: My toolkit for this week is putting vitamins into a smoothie. 208 00:08:23,269 --> 00:08:24,949 Speaker 4: Yes, so you don't have to. 209 00:08:24,989 --> 00:08:28,349 Speaker 2: Swallow them sometimes if it depending on if your gag reflex, 210 00:08:28,909 --> 00:08:31,309 Speaker 2: whatever is happening to you. But also mixing that with 211 00:08:31,389 --> 00:08:34,029 Speaker 2: a bit of protein powder so you're staying full for longer. 212 00:08:34,229 --> 00:08:34,709 Speaker 1: That's great. 213 00:08:34,869 --> 00:08:37,109 Speaker 3: I can't imagine not having had high premises like you. 214 00:08:37,149 --> 00:08:40,029 Speaker 3: I can't imagine when those pills regurgitate on you, because 215 00:08:40,149 --> 00:08:41,669 Speaker 3: I don't like that at the best of time, learn 216 00:08:41,709 --> 00:08:43,829 Speaker 3: if you feel nauseous. So I think that's that's a 217 00:08:43,869 --> 00:08:46,149 Speaker 3: lovely takeaway. Yeah, yeah, I'll give that to some. 218 00:08:46,109 --> 00:08:46,789 Speaker 1: Of my patients. 219 00:08:49,829 --> 00:08:51,789 Speaker 2: We hope you enjoyed this episode of Hello Bump. 220 00:08:51,909 --> 00:08:53,189 Speaker 4: We have so many. 221 00:08:53,029 --> 00:08:56,029 Speaker 2: Episodes of this series filled with tips and stories from 222 00:08:56,309 --> 00:08:58,629 Speaker 2: women and experts who've been through it all before. 223 00:08:59,069 --> 00:09:00,949 Speaker 3: You can go back and listen to everything else Hello 224 00:09:00,949 --> 00:09:02,629 Speaker 3: bub related in this podcast feed. 225 00:09:02,709 --> 00:09:04,509 Speaker 2: And while you're there, we'd love if you could give 226 00:09:04,549 --> 00:09:06,229 Speaker 2: us a flying star rating and maybe leave us a 227 00:09:06,229 --> 00:09:08,629 Speaker 2: review or even share this episode with a friend. 228 00:09:09,029 --> 00:09:12,189 Speaker 3: This episode was produced by Courtney Ammenhauser with audio production 229 00:09:12,269 --> 00:09:12,949 Speaker 3: by Tom Lyon. 230 00:09:13,029 --> 00:09:14,669 Speaker 1: We'll catch you next time. 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