WEBVTT - Is This All Jill Biden's Fault? 0:00:10.287 --> 0:00:13.727 You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 0:00:13.727 --> 0:00:16.767 Mama Mea acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 0:00:16.807 --> 0:00:20.647 that this podcast is recorded on three two one. Hell, 0:00:21.327 --> 0:00:24.087 Jesus Christ, what happens? 0:00:24.327 --> 0:00:26.687 What happens very quick? I've missed you. 0:00:26.687 --> 0:00:29.407 We've got to get counted down from three and. 0:00:29.367 --> 0:00:31.287 She counted down fast. 0:00:31.447 --> 0:00:37.487 I went too fast. I'm sorry. I'm raring to go 0:00:38.487 --> 0:00:40.767 the Joe Biden. Let's go again right now. This is 0:00:40.807 --> 0:00:49.687 for me count three two one, Hello, and welcome to 0:00:49.727 --> 0:00:52.167 Mama Mia out Loud. It's what women are actually talking 0:00:52.167 --> 0:00:56.287 about on Monday, the first of July. 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Hundreds of 0:01:29.007 --> 0:01:31.767 backlog episodes that you can listen to that will last 0:01:31.847 --> 0:01:33.447 you for the rest of your life. You want to 0:01:33.447 --> 0:01:36.207 go on subscriber episode. There is so much fun. 0:01:36.127 --> 0:01:39.967 When too much out Loud is never enough. On today's show, 0:01:41.007 --> 0:01:45.407 decoding the binfire fever dream that is the American presidential 0:01:45.487 --> 0:01:49.047 race after Friday's debate and why it might all be 0:01:49.087 --> 0:01:53.087 a woman's fault of course, also the bride rioting over 0:01:53.127 --> 0:01:57.447 her wedding photos and Australian politicians Wayward Sons have a 0:01:57.447 --> 0:01:59.927 group chap and it's in a major newspaper. There you 0:02:00.487 --> 0:02:04.007 but first me a freedman in case you missed it. 0:02:04.007 --> 0:02:07.807 It's a very big time for France at the moment, 0:02:07.887 --> 0:02:10.287 particularly Paris. They've got the Olympics coming up in a 0:02:10.287 --> 0:02:13.607 few weeks. They're having an election that is not looking 0:02:13.607 --> 0:02:17.647 good for Emmanuel Macron. But the story that we're most 0:02:17.767 --> 0:02:21.407 interested in here and out Loud is the poop protest. 0:02:21.967 --> 0:02:25.087 Here's what's happened. We're four weeks out from the Paris 0:02:25.167 --> 0:02:28.927 Olympics and so excited about Parisians are planning to celebrate 0:02:29.367 --> 0:02:32.367 or protest by pooping in the Seine. The Sin is 0:02:32.367 --> 0:02:34.647 the big river that goes through the center of Paris, 0:02:35.047 --> 0:02:37.927 and it's been illegal to swim there since nineteen twenty 0:02:37.967 --> 0:02:40.487 three due to pollution. It's not a very clean river. 0:02:40.607 --> 0:02:41.527 It's very brown. 0:02:41.647 --> 0:02:44.647 No, it's very brown. But while bidding for the Olympics, 0:02:44.647 --> 0:02:47.487 the French government said they'd clean it up. I think 0:02:47.527 --> 0:02:51.767 the triathlon and para triathlons are going to involve swimming 0:02:52.127 --> 0:02:55.927 in the Seine, right, So the Prime Minister, Emmanuel mccau 0:02:56.487 --> 0:03:00.247 he confirmed that it would cost around two point twenty 0:03:00.247 --> 0:03:04.047 five billion dollars Australian to clean the river. Parisians weren't 0:03:04.047 --> 0:03:07.567 happy about that. They said that's too expensive, and they 0:03:07.647 --> 0:03:10.567 also say we're not happy about the strain that the 0:03:10.607 --> 0:03:13.687 Games is going to put on our public transport system. 0:03:13.767 --> 0:03:17.567 People always say that they're all leaving, all organized after 0:03:17.647 --> 0:03:21.687 it such trolls. After it was cleaned for two billion dollars, 0:03:22.047 --> 0:03:24.767 they all organized to protest that by poohing in it. 0:03:24.847 --> 0:03:27.047 Oh my god, I'm mad about that. 0:03:27.407 --> 0:03:30.007 And so now they think because they're still e coal 0:03:30.127 --> 0:03:33.727 I detected at unacceptable levels. So what my court said 0:03:33.727 --> 0:03:35.087 he was going to do is go for a swim 0:03:35.087 --> 0:03:37.367 in the scent to prove how clean it was. That 0:03:37.527 --> 0:03:40.807 was called off on the weekend because of the pooh, 0:03:40.847 --> 0:03:44.287 And now they're thinking that maybe the triathlon will not 0:03:44.487 --> 0:03:46.087 have a swimming part. 0:03:46.687 --> 0:03:50.367 This is why we can't things. It would benefit all 0:03:50.447 --> 0:03:53.607 Parisians if it was cleaned up. That is a lot 0:03:53.607 --> 0:03:55.607 of money, but it's an investment. It's been one hundred 0:03:55.687 --> 0:03:58.047 years since you could swim in it. Yeah, it was 0:03:58.087 --> 0:03:59.927 going to cost a lot of money. But the idea 0:03:59.967 --> 0:04:03.567 of swimming near the Eiffel Tower, like, it gets very 0:04:03.607 --> 0:04:06.527 hot in Paris and there is nowhere to swim, so 0:04:07.047 --> 0:04:10.287 that could be a lovely thing for everyone. So what's 0:04:10.327 --> 0:04:13.367 the thinking behind my tax paid dollars have already gone 0:04:13.407 --> 0:04:16.047 towards cleaning this very dirty river that is still dirty. 0:04:16.647 --> 0:04:18.367 I'm going to go and shit in it. This is 0:04:18.847 --> 0:04:20.247 everything wrong with humanity. 0:04:20.407 --> 0:04:23.647 People always get like this before an Olympics. I am 0:04:23.727 --> 0:04:26.207 old enough to remember, as you would be meya. Just 0:04:26.287 --> 0:04:27.287 before the Sydney. 0:04:27.007 --> 0:04:29.167 Olympics, no one was pooing in Sydney High No, but. 0:04:29.167 --> 0:04:31.767 Sydney people were pissed off. Right after the Olympics, they 0:04:31.807 --> 0:04:34.807 loved it. In the lead up to the Olympics in Sydney, 0:04:34.847 --> 0:04:37.807 there was like, it's costing us too much money. There's 0:04:37.807 --> 0:04:39.487 all this money going into this that should be going 0:04:39.487 --> 0:04:41.567 into this, this, and this Sydney side is saying I'm leaving. 0:04:41.607 --> 0:04:43.167 I'm gonna rent my house so I don't want to 0:04:43.207 --> 0:04:46.087 be here. And then it happened and everyone went, oh 0:04:46.087 --> 0:04:48.127 my god, that was amazing. Everybody loved it. 0:04:48.127 --> 0:04:49.007 Best Olympics ever. 0:04:49.087 --> 0:04:51.407 Yeah, it's like in the lead up to the Olympics, 0:04:51.447 --> 0:04:53.687 everyone hates it. And I heard that Paris have been 0:04:53.687 --> 0:04:57.567 trying to do it differently and like use existing infrastructure 0:04:57.567 --> 0:04:59.527 and all that kind of stuff, because that's the only 0:04:59.567 --> 0:05:00.047 way to do it. 0:05:00.127 --> 0:05:02.687 This sin would be considered infrastructure. 0:05:02.847 --> 0:05:05.727 So you know, I reckon that in a few weeks time, 0:05:05.767 --> 0:05:07.767 on the other side of the Olympics, all the Parisians 0:05:07.807 --> 0:05:09.607 who pooped in the sein will be feeling a bit 0:05:09.927 --> 0:05:12.607 dirty about it, a shamed as I should. 0:05:13.527 --> 0:05:16.447 The forty sixth President of the United States, Joe Biden 0:05:17.247 --> 0:05:20.807 for Caloria, and please welcome the forty fifth President of 0:05:20.847 --> 0:05:22.887 the United States, Donald Trump. 0:05:23.647 --> 0:05:25.487 And if I'm elected I'm going to restore Roe v. 0:05:25.607 --> 0:05:26.047 Wade. 0:05:26.127 --> 0:05:28.967 He's willing to, as we say, rip the baby out 0:05:29.007 --> 0:05:31.607 of the womb in the ninth month and kill the baby. 0:05:32.087 --> 0:05:35.847 Nobody wants that to happen. Democrat or Republican, nobody wants. 0:05:35.647 --> 0:05:36.207 It to happen. 0:05:36.527 --> 0:05:38.887 And I'm in very good health. I just won two 0:05:38.927 --> 0:05:42.487 club championships, not even senior, two regular club championships. To 0:05:42.527 --> 0:05:45.447 do that, you have to be quite smart, and you 0:05:45.447 --> 0:05:47.207 have to be able to hit the ball a long way. 0:05:47.487 --> 0:05:49.087 And I do it. He doesn't do it. He can't 0:05:49.127 --> 0:05:50.887 hit a ball fifty yards. He challenged me to a 0:05:50.927 --> 0:05:53.167 golf match. He can't hit a ball fifty yards. 0:05:53.527 --> 0:05:58.567 We're able to make every single solitary person eligible for 0:05:58.687 --> 0:06:02.087 what I've been able to do with the with the COVID, 0:06:02.287 --> 0:06:06.047 I excuse me, with dealing with everything we have to 0:06:06.087 --> 0:06:13.807 do with Look if we finally beat Medicare, and I'm 0:06:13.847 --> 0:06:15.847 going to continue to move until we get the total 0:06:15.927 --> 0:06:20.887 ban on the total initiative relative to what we're going 0:06:20.967 --> 0:06:24.647 to do with more border patrol and more asylum off. 0:06:25.287 --> 0:06:27.607 President Trump, I really don't know what he said at 0:06:27.647 --> 0:06:29.687 the end of this. I don't think he knows what 0:06:29.727 --> 0:06:30.287 he said either. 0:06:30.887 --> 0:06:35.167 Most Americans, most overwhelming majority, do not want to see 0:06:35.167 --> 0:06:38.247 these two running against each other, and America's political system 0:06:38.447 --> 0:06:40.727 could not come up with a better choice than a 0:06:40.767 --> 0:06:42.687 rerun of what happened four years ago. 0:06:42.927 --> 0:06:47.087 On Friday, Australian time, US President Joe Biden and former 0:06:47.207 --> 0:06:50.887 US President Donald Trump engaged in their first political debate 0:06:50.927 --> 0:06:54.447 of the twenty twenty four election campaign, with four months 0:06:54.527 --> 0:06:58.447 to go before Americans head to the polls. I'm spiraling. 0:06:59.687 --> 0:07:00.247 Very much. 0:07:00.367 --> 0:07:04.567 The presidential debate is meant to showcase policy ideas and 0:07:04.647 --> 0:07:08.567 each candidate's vision for their presidency. I don't know how 0:07:08.567 --> 0:07:12.327 to describe what happened last week. Eighty one year old 0:07:12.367 --> 0:07:15.407 Biden was barely coherent. He lost his train of thought. 0:07:15.847 --> 0:07:18.927 His voice was quiet and hoarse, and he looked completely 0:07:18.967 --> 0:07:21.207 out of his depth. He looked terrified, and he looked 0:07:21.287 --> 0:07:23.847 quite pale. He didn't look well and. 0:07:23.847 --> 0:07:27.727 In the split screen because they had quite strict conditions, 0:07:27.807 --> 0:07:31.007 the Democrats established all the conditions for this debate, including 0:07:31.647 --> 0:07:35.487 that the other person's microphone would be switched off when 0:07:36.607 --> 0:07:39.407 each person was speaking, right, because Trump just interrupts and 0:07:39.967 --> 0:07:42.407 takes over and won't shut up. So they did that 0:07:42.447 --> 0:07:45.407 there was also no audience because two elections go. When 0:07:45.407 --> 0:07:47.887 he was debating Hillary Clinton, he would do all sorts 0:07:47.927 --> 0:07:50.647 of shenanigans, like he brought into the audience to sit 0:07:50.687 --> 0:07:53.207 in the front row the women who had accused Bill 0:07:53.247 --> 0:07:58.127 Clinton of sexually assaulting them. The Democrats also decided they 0:07:58.127 --> 0:07:59.967 wanted it to be much earlier. There's never been a 0:08:00.007 --> 0:08:04.087 presidential debate this early, usually within the November election. The 0:08:04.207 --> 0:08:06.767 US elections always at the same time. The debates are 0:08:06.807 --> 0:08:07.887 usually in September. 0:08:08.087 --> 0:08:11.887 I thought you met earlier in the day because Joe Biden, Yeah, hired. 0:08:11.807 --> 0:08:14.687 Also that but in the split screen, so they showed 0:08:14.727 --> 0:08:18.447 the face of the person who wasn't talking, and in 0:08:18.527 --> 0:08:21.967 every split screen when he wasn't speaking, Biden had his 0:08:22.087 --> 0:08:24.047 mouth sort of a little bit open, and he was 0:08:24.087 --> 0:08:27.247 sort of squinting and just looking really confused. 0:08:27.447 --> 0:08:29.047 She looked like shocked or yeah. 0:08:29.127 --> 0:08:31.007 Yeah. He'd completely disoriented. 0:08:31.087 --> 0:08:34.807 He didn't have energy. He looked completely out of his depth, 0:08:34.927 --> 0:08:37.367 so much so that a White House official told outlets 0:08:37.407 --> 0:08:39.807 that Biden had a cold, seemingly as a way of 0:08:39.847 --> 0:08:43.647 explaining his performance. Then there was seventy eight year old Trump, 0:08:43.767 --> 0:08:46.847 a convicted felon on thirty four counts only weeks ago 0:08:46.887 --> 0:08:49.367 found guilty of a scheme to illegally influence the twenty 0:08:49.407 --> 0:08:52.247 sixteen election through a hush money payment to a porn 0:08:52.287 --> 0:08:55.807 actor who says the two had sex. Trump was more 0:08:55.847 --> 0:08:58.687 restrained than we've seen him in the past, but he 0:08:58.767 --> 0:09:03.927 predictably routinely lied, including stating that Biden is, as you heard, 0:09:04.007 --> 0:09:05.767 willing to rip the baby out of the womb in 0:09:05.767 --> 0:09:08.487 the nine month and kill the baby. As you heard 0:09:08.487 --> 0:09:11.567 there too. There are parts of this debate that sounded 0:09:11.607 --> 0:09:14.127 more like a bad reality TV show or a skit 0:09:14.247 --> 0:09:18.327 on Saturday Night Live than a real high stakes political exercise. 0:09:18.887 --> 0:09:22.807 There's heaps to unpack. The general consensus, In fact, I 0:09:22.927 --> 0:09:25.887 have heard no other take other than this is that 0:09:25.927 --> 0:09:28.687 Biden needs to step aside. Part of being the president 0:09:28.767 --> 0:09:30.927 is instilling confidence in the nation that you are fit 0:09:31.087 --> 0:09:34.407 and competent as a leader. And we know the US 0:09:34.407 --> 0:09:39.007 economy is struggling horrific international conflicts. No one would trust 0:09:39.047 --> 0:09:42.567 Biden with that job at the moment. Maya, how do 0:09:42.687 --> 0:09:48.487 you think this left people feeling? What was the general mood? 0:09:48.767 --> 0:09:50.367 I don't think that people are shocked, but this was 0:09:50.407 --> 0:09:51.447 worst case scenario. 0:09:51.607 --> 0:09:52.407 People are shocked. 0:09:52.407 --> 0:09:55.327 People were shocked. So Biden had one job, and that 0:09:55.527 --> 0:09:58.527 is to disprove what people have been saying for several 0:09:58.607 --> 0:10:00.927 years now that he's too old to run and that 0:10:00.967 --> 0:10:03.367 he's not up to it. That was his only job. 0:10:03.447 --> 0:10:05.647 So all the terms of the debate, which was set 0:10:05.687 --> 0:10:10.887 by the Democrats, were designed to help him. Essentially, all 0:10:10.927 --> 0:10:13.727 Trump had to do is to really kind of not 0:10:13.847 --> 0:10:17.087 throw his own feces at the wall, and true, that's 0:10:17.087 --> 0:10:17.647 all he had to do. 0:10:17.767 --> 0:10:21.007 Will appear a little bit restrained. That's his achilles heel, 0:10:21.007 --> 0:10:23.127 and then you've got Biden's achilles heel. And they both 0:10:23.167 --> 0:10:24.287 had two different jobs. 0:10:24.287 --> 0:10:26.847 So the bar for both candidates, this is what's so 0:10:27.207 --> 0:10:30.687 deeply depressing, was so low, Like it was so low, 0:10:31.447 --> 0:10:34.047 and neither of them cleared it. But the fact that 0:10:34.167 --> 0:10:37.567 Biden stumbled so badly and it was so much worse 0:10:37.847 --> 0:10:41.967 than anyone could have possibly ever imagined. As you say, Jesse, 0:10:42.047 --> 0:10:44.687 there was no one in the Democratic Party really, I mean, 0:10:44.767 --> 0:10:46.287 you know, Obama and a few people have come out 0:10:46.327 --> 0:10:48.127 and sort of tried to say he had a bad night, 0:10:48.167 --> 0:10:50.887 he had a bad debate. What it takes to win 0:10:50.927 --> 0:10:54.207 an election is a very different set of skills to 0:10:54.247 --> 0:10:56.847 what it takes to actually be the president. A lot 0:10:56.887 --> 0:10:59.087 of people say that that's why Hillary Clinton lost because 0:10:59.087 --> 0:11:01.167 she's terrible at campaigning, but she would have been an 0:11:01.167 --> 0:11:04.887 amazing president. Trump is very good at campaigning, and if 0:11:04.967 --> 0:11:07.687 you say very good, means by getting a lot of 0:11:07.727 --> 0:11:12.167 attention in aging people. Because remember, the whole thing about 0:11:12.167 --> 0:11:15.607 the American political system is because voting isn't compulsory, you 0:11:15.727 --> 0:11:20.847 have to make people so interested and so passionately for 0:11:21.047 --> 0:11:24.007 you that they will go and vote and take time 0:11:24.047 --> 0:11:25.847 out of their day, their job, their family, whatever it is, 0:11:25.847 --> 0:11:27.847 and standing a long line and vote. They've got to 0:11:27.927 --> 0:11:30.767 vote for something or really against something. 0:11:31.047 --> 0:11:34.727 And everyone who's vaguely progressive or left leaning was very 0:11:34.847 --> 0:11:37.567 much ready to vote against Trump, and let's face it, 0:11:37.567 --> 0:11:40.967 they probably still will be. But all of those people 0:11:41.527 --> 0:11:44.367 were swallowing what had been being fed to them for 0:11:44.407 --> 0:11:46.767 a long time, which is like, it's nonsense, all these 0:11:46.807 --> 0:11:49.327 fears about Joe, Like you know, because this dialogue has 0:11:49.327 --> 0:11:50.687 been going on for a long time, and you say me, 0:11:50.687 --> 0:11:53.567 here but a few years. But Biden's camp and Biden's 0:11:53.567 --> 0:11:56.887 spin doctors and Biden's surrogates and everyone who is hoping 0:11:57.087 --> 0:12:00.087 that Donald Trump loses the election, has been saying no, no, 0:12:00.167 --> 0:12:02.687 he's great, it's okay, you know, like he's still sharp. 0:12:03.047 --> 0:12:04.687 I just find it hard to watch, Like I couldn't 0:12:04.687 --> 0:12:09.047 even watch clips because I actually feel just desperately sorry 0:12:09.047 --> 0:12:11.567 for him, even though I know it's all his fault. 0:12:11.647 --> 0:12:13.247 We'll get to scond career. 0:12:13.807 --> 0:12:16.247 Biden's fault, yes, but you've got to remember too that 0:12:16.247 --> 0:12:18.327 that was a version of Biden who had spent a 0:12:18.327 --> 0:12:22.087 week locked away and prepped for that debate right whereas 0:12:22.087 --> 0:12:25.767 Trump had campaigned up until the last minute. He knows 0:12:25.887 --> 0:12:28.927 exactly that this is the criticism aimed at him, and 0:12:29.407 --> 0:12:30.807 a lot of the things I've read have said the 0:12:30.807 --> 0:12:34.007 worst performance you can give in a public debate is 0:12:34.047 --> 0:12:37.647 one that confirms everybody's fears. So, as you said me, 0:12:37.807 --> 0:12:40.447 he had one job, which was to allay everybody's fears, 0:12:40.767 --> 0:12:43.087 and he did exactly the opposite. And it was so 0:12:43.167 --> 0:12:47.687 sad to watch because this is a very serious time, 0:12:47.887 --> 0:12:51.127 Like it is always a very serious time, but this 0:12:51.287 --> 0:12:54.407 is a very serious time. These are not serious people, 0:12:54.607 --> 0:12:57.047 Like if we're supposed to believe what we've been being 0:12:57.087 --> 0:12:59.407 told by the democratic side of politics for a very 0:12:59.447 --> 0:13:01.847 long time, which is that Donald Trump is an existential 0:13:01.887 --> 0:13:04.327 threat to everything. And I tend to believe in that. 0:13:04.407 --> 0:13:06.247 I think he's one of the most dangerous about him 0:13:06.447 --> 0:13:09.527 because he stands for nothing except himself, and he will 0:13:09.527 --> 0:13:11.927 make deals with and align himself with the most dangerous 0:13:11.927 --> 0:13:13.767 people in the world if they will pump up his tires. 0:13:13.807 --> 0:13:17.847 So it is an existential threat, and yet it's just 0:13:17.887 --> 0:13:21.447 being allowed to devolve into a banter about golf. 0:13:21.647 --> 0:13:25.567 The absolute shock and horror which quickly curdled in me 0:13:25.847 --> 0:13:28.487 to fury about a country that I don't even live in, 0:13:29.447 --> 0:13:32.847 is how could it come to this? How could in 0:13:32.847 --> 0:13:36.207 a country the size of America. These are the two choices. 0:13:36.607 --> 0:13:39.207 It's twenty twenty four, that's what America is putting up. 0:13:39.247 --> 0:13:41.167 It says a lot about power structures. I think that 0:13:41.367 --> 0:13:43.727 it's a seventy eight year old white man and an 0:13:43.767 --> 0:13:45.207 eighty one year old white man. 0:13:45.367 --> 0:13:47.087 Do you know what? It also says a lot about 0:13:47.407 --> 0:13:52.087 the utter, utter hubris of And I'm just going to 0:13:52.167 --> 0:13:56.007 talk about Joe Biden here, someone who won't be told, 0:13:56.127 --> 0:13:58.807 who has no self awareness. I believe that he is 0:13:58.847 --> 0:14:02.167 a patriot. He cares about his country, he cares about America, 0:14:02.607 --> 0:14:05.567 and the fact that he can't see that he is 0:14:05.607 --> 0:14:07.847 going to lose this election in the most massive way. 0:14:08.167 --> 0:14:10.807 The fact that his ego will not allow him to 0:14:10.847 --> 0:14:13.767 step aside. Even though when he ran the first time 0:14:13.927 --> 0:14:16.087 he said I'm going to be a bridging president. He 0:14:16.167 --> 0:14:18.487 essentially said I'm not going to run for a second term. 0:14:18.727 --> 0:14:21.127 So somewhere along the way around chose you. 0:14:21.207 --> 0:14:23.167 So you've got to understand though, To understand that is 0:14:23.167 --> 0:14:25.647 that in the normal order of things, he would definitely 0:14:25.687 --> 0:14:28.047 run for a second term. That's how it works, right. 0:14:28.407 --> 0:14:30.327 You are allowed to serve two terms and no more 0:14:30.407 --> 0:14:32.847 so most people who go and sit in that presidential 0:14:32.887 --> 0:14:34.807 chair of thinking I'm going to do two terms. Of 0:14:34.847 --> 0:14:37.927 course Donald Trump, but his age, his health or those things, 0:14:38.167 --> 0:14:39.887 as you say, I have indicated that he was not 0:14:39.927 --> 0:14:41.967 going to do that, and yet he chose to do that. 0:14:42.127 --> 0:14:46.087 The nature of aging is also an erosion of self awareness. 0:14:46.287 --> 0:14:48.647 So part of me does have a lot of empathy 0:14:48.687 --> 0:14:52.367 for Joe Biden, who has been a working politician. I 0:14:52.407 --> 0:14:55.847 don't for more than fifty years. Do you know anyone 0:14:55.887 --> 0:14:58.447 who is aging? If you know people who are aging, 0:14:58.447 --> 0:15:01.247 I am thinking of someone in my life who wanted 0:15:01.247 --> 0:15:04.487 to drive and he could no longer drive, and we 0:15:04.527 --> 0:15:06.327 would hide the keys and we would say, you can 0:15:06.327 --> 0:15:10.047 no longer drive. This is like widely experience. 0:15:09.727 --> 0:15:11.447 Those people driving. 0:15:11.567 --> 0:15:14.247 Very rarely do they go, You're right, I can't drive anymore. 0:15:14.247 --> 0:15:17.007 So I agree with you, Jesse. So what do you 0:15:17.047 --> 0:15:18.687 do the people around you? 0:15:18.727 --> 0:15:20.207 That love people around you? 0:15:20.687 --> 0:15:21.527 Hence Jill Biden. 0:15:22.167 --> 0:15:23.287 We will get to Jill Biden. 0:15:23.407 --> 0:15:25.087 I'm so sorry, we will get to Jill Biden. 0:15:25.167 --> 0:15:26.167 To Jill Biden. 0:15:26.767 --> 0:15:29.927 There's the Democratic Party that I think that they have 0:15:30.127 --> 0:15:32.847 a lot to answer for. But a slight defense of 0:15:32.887 --> 0:15:38.207 Joe Biden is that I think as a president he 0:15:38.287 --> 0:15:40.607 can probably do the job because there are people around 0:15:40.687 --> 0:15:44.327 him who help them. Probably he has thember in relations. 0:15:44.127 --> 0:15:48.127 Literally just so what you're saying, the machine of government 0:15:48.567 --> 0:15:51.447 keeps going and that there are people around. 0:15:51.327 --> 0:15:55.767 And I'm also worried that in this incredibly in depth 0:15:56.007 --> 0:15:59.527 fair criticism of Joe Biden, we're letting Trump off scott free. 0:15:59.647 --> 0:16:04.207 And he cried and he's well, it's also Donald Trump's right. 0:16:04.247 --> 0:16:06.087 And this also says something about the culture that we 0:16:06.167 --> 0:16:10.487 find ourselves in, which is style over substance. And we 0:16:10.607 --> 0:16:14.167 had someone who at least has some substance, has some chops, 0:16:14.287 --> 0:16:15.647 has made some good. 0:16:15.407 --> 0:16:20.647 Decisions for the job. You step aside for the good 0:16:20.687 --> 0:16:23.327 of your party, for the good of your country, for 0:16:23.407 --> 0:16:24.367 the good of democracy. 0:16:24.527 --> 0:16:25.967 Just a very complicated moment. 0:16:26.047 --> 0:16:28.607 Now, Jill Biden, go okay out loud as We had 0:16:28.607 --> 0:16:30.047 a big fight about this, because the first thing I 0:16:30.047 --> 0:16:31.807 said when we were in the planning meeting this morning 0:16:31.887 --> 0:16:35.127 was I'm sorry angry at Jill Biden. Holly said, I. 0:16:35.047 --> 0:16:37.367 Said, why do you always find a woman to blame 0:16:37.447 --> 0:16:38.487 for a man's problems? 0:16:38.607 --> 0:16:39.527 Is not Jill Biden's fast. 0:16:39.607 --> 0:16:41.647 This has got nothing to freaking do with Jill Biden. 0:16:41.807 --> 0:16:44.207 There isn't a woman in the world who's been married 0:16:44.207 --> 0:16:46.327 to a man for forty five years who would not 0:16:46.647 --> 0:16:50.687 publicly defend them in that situation. What they're saying to 0:16:50.727 --> 0:16:52.727 each other right now locked away in Camp David, and 0:16:52.767 --> 0:16:54.527 this might all change in the next twenty four hours. 0:16:54.607 --> 0:16:58.487 Everybody thinks it's very unlikely, despite the unprecedented push for 0:16:58.487 --> 0:17:01.647 Biden to decide that he should step down what she 0:17:01.727 --> 0:17:04.727 says to him in private. We have no idea as 0:17:04.767 --> 0:17:07.007 if there is a wife in the world who would 0:17:07.007 --> 0:17:09.407 come out of that and tell the world media he 0:17:09.487 --> 0:17:09.807 was shit. 0:17:10.087 --> 0:17:12.247 I'm not asking Jill to tell the world's media. I'm 0:17:12.287 --> 0:17:14.327 really not, and I'm going to just take down all 0:17:14.367 --> 0:17:18.847 your arguments one by one. No, My point is this 0:17:18.887 --> 0:17:21.567 conversation is not new. It's at boiling point now and 0:17:21.567 --> 0:17:24.607 at crisis point, panic point, but it's not new. People 0:17:24.607 --> 0:17:26.247 have been talking about this for several years, and in 0:17:26.287 --> 0:17:28.527 all the coverage about whether he would step aside or not, 0:17:29.167 --> 0:17:31.847 everybody has been unanimous in the fact that the only 0:17:31.927 --> 0:17:35.287 person who could convince him to do that is Jill Biden. 0:17:35.447 --> 0:17:39.767 That's what everybody said, right. So back to what happened 0:17:40.047 --> 0:17:42.447 on the debate. The reason I'm agree with Jill Biden 0:17:42.567 --> 0:17:44.607 is that I think Joe Biden is a good man. 0:17:44.727 --> 0:17:48.367 I honestly do. How could you let someone that you 0:17:48.527 --> 0:17:52.927 love go into that situation and humiliate themselves like that 0:17:52.967 --> 0:17:55.367 and whole you say, well, he's got advisors, he's. 0:17:55.167 --> 0:17:55.847 Got this man. 0:17:55.967 --> 0:17:59.127 Also, although you don't control the people that you love, 0:17:59.567 --> 0:18:02.007 I see this playing out in much smaller ways, like 0:18:02.087 --> 0:18:05.087 Jesse's example with the car Keys all the time. Joe Biden, 0:18:05.647 --> 0:18:09.447 despite appearances, it's not like he is literally a baby. 0:18:09.487 --> 0:18:12.287 Well after the debate, there were these watch parties, and 0:18:12.327 --> 0:18:15.327 everyone knew, like everyone was panicking through the debate for 0:18:15.407 --> 0:18:18.887 un minutes, so everyone knew it had been a disaster, 0:18:19.567 --> 0:18:22.247 so they went into crisis mode. He appeared at some 0:18:22.327 --> 0:18:27.327 watch parties. Here's a little clip of Jill Biden introducing 0:18:27.367 --> 0:18:31.047 the crowd to Joe and welcoming Joe to this watch party. 0:18:31.327 --> 0:18:34.607 I can't thank you all enough for staying and for 0:18:34.767 --> 0:18:38.127 being here and for all your support. Joe, you did 0:18:38.167 --> 0:18:41.607 such a great job. You answered every question you knew 0:18:41.647 --> 0:18:48.887 all the Let me ask the crowd, what did Trump 0:18:49.007 --> 0:18:54.367 do back to you saying he's not a child? That 0:18:54.567 --> 0:18:57.687 is literally how I talk to Luna when she can clap, 0:18:58.047 --> 0:18:58.487 And my. 0:18:58.487 --> 0:19:02.367 Point is literally again this is back to a public moment. 0:19:02.487 --> 0:19:03.927 What else is she going to do? 0:19:04.127 --> 0:19:06.567 Okay, So, first of all, she should have had this 0:19:06.647 --> 0:19:09.887 conversation with him a long time ago, because to. 0:19:09.847 --> 0:19:12.567 Her, she probably is you have no idea what she's 0:19:12.567 --> 0:19:13.127 saying to him. 0:19:13.167 --> 0:19:16.207 So all the coverage in the reporting I've read about 0:19:16.247 --> 0:19:19.167 it is that if she decides that he shouldn't do it, 0:19:19.287 --> 0:19:21.607 he won't do it, which is also alarming, and she 0:19:22.047 --> 0:19:25.327 very much believes, well it's reported across the I mean 0:19:25.327 --> 0:19:25.727 it could be. 0:19:25.767 --> 0:19:27.887 Here's a much bigger picture here, which is that the 0:19:27.887 --> 0:19:30.287 Democrats have a big problem on their hands because if 0:19:30.327 --> 0:19:32.887 not Joe, then who right And the problem with that 0:19:33.007 --> 0:19:34.767 is that there is a woman standing right next to 0:19:34.807 --> 0:19:37.007 Joe Biden, who he chose to be his vice president 0:19:37.287 --> 0:19:40.047 at the last election, who is the literal choice if 0:19:40.087 --> 0:19:43.287 it's not him, and nobody wants her now that. 0:19:43.847 --> 0:19:45.727 Other issue, So they're like, what do we do with 0:19:46.527 --> 0:19:49.207 It's not the issue. The issue is nobody wants to 0:19:49.247 --> 0:19:53.207