1 00:00:11,064 --> 00:00:11,384 Speaker 1: So much. 2 00:00:11,424 --> 00:00:16,024 Speaker 2: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges 3 00:00:16,104 --> 00:00:19,584 Speaker 2: the traditional owners of land and borders that this podcast 4 00:00:19,704 --> 00:00:27,344 Speaker 2: is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome to the spill 5 00:00:27,424 --> 00:00:30,864 Speaker 2: your daily pop culture thinks. I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm 6 00:00:30,904 --> 00:00:33,504 Speaker 2: Mvan m And coming up on the show today, we 7 00:00:33,544 --> 00:00:36,224 Speaker 2: have some new romances in Hollywood, a little bit of 8 00:00:36,264 --> 00:00:37,464 Speaker 2: controversy around them. 9 00:00:37,544 --> 00:00:38,784 Speaker 1: They're all connected as well. 10 00:00:38,864 --> 00:00:40,744 Speaker 2: Yes, and there's nothing we love more than to sit 11 00:00:40,784 --> 00:00:43,744 Speaker 2: in this tiny, little airless studio and judge Hollywood people 12 00:00:43,744 --> 00:00:44,504 Speaker 2: for fouring love. 13 00:00:44,584 --> 00:00:45,624 Speaker 3: So that is coming up. 14 00:00:45,984 --> 00:00:50,304 Speaker 2: Also, The Hollywood Reporter has released a very controversial, very 15 00:00:50,344 --> 00:00:53,744 Speaker 2: bold cover about Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni. We're going 16 00:00:53,824 --> 00:00:57,024 Speaker 2: to get into that because Blake Lively is furious. 17 00:00:57,384 --> 00:01:03,424 Speaker 1: But first, Rihanna has done an exclusive interview with Harper's Bizarre. 18 00:01:04,224 --> 00:01:07,544 Speaker 1: My God, is this the longest interview I've ever read? 19 00:01:07,624 --> 00:01:09,744 Speaker 2: Well, she doesn't even interviews very often, So if you 20 00:01:09,784 --> 00:01:12,304 Speaker 2: get a cover with Rihanna, then I would be like, yes, 21 00:01:12,344 --> 00:01:13,744 Speaker 2: I'm asking fifty thousand questions. 22 00:01:13,824 --> 00:01:15,304 Speaker 3: This would be a five thousand word piece. 23 00:01:15,544 --> 00:01:17,864 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true. I mean I don't recommend everyone read 24 00:01:17,904 --> 00:01:20,224 Speaker 1: the full interview. I've got my cliff notes for you. Okay, 25 00:01:20,264 --> 00:01:22,624 Speaker 1: so I'm breaking it down. Well, well, journalism just took 26 00:01:22,624 --> 00:01:25,584 Speaker 1: a huge hit. I'm sorry. I'm sorry to harp As Bizarre, 27 00:01:25,624 --> 00:01:26,344 Speaker 1: Sorry to that man. 28 00:01:26,384 --> 00:01:29,224 Speaker 3: Sorry. We'll just crib your article and regurgitate it. 29 00:01:29,424 --> 00:01:31,544 Speaker 1: I read it. I gave the PV. You got a 30 00:01:31,584 --> 00:01:34,224 Speaker 1: great time on that article just from me alone. But 31 00:01:34,304 --> 00:01:37,184 Speaker 1: it started at like four thirty in the morning, which 32 00:01:37,184 --> 00:01:39,584 Speaker 1: I thought was very important because Rihanna was seen in 33 00:01:39,624 --> 00:01:42,224 Speaker 1: like a little turtleneck and on a swivel chair, bright 34 00:01:42,264 --> 00:01:45,344 Speaker 1: as day, asab Rocky was dressed, but like crouched on 35 00:01:45,384 --> 00:01:47,784 Speaker 1: the couch behind her, fast asleep, and he had some 36 00:01:47,864 --> 00:01:48,664 Speaker 1: jazz music playing. 37 00:01:48,704 --> 00:01:51,344 Speaker 2: That's because she's notorious for which I understand because she's like, 38 00:01:51,424 --> 00:01:53,144 Speaker 2: I work through the night. So if you want to 39 00:01:53,144 --> 00:01:55,344 Speaker 2: interview me, because she's copped a lot of backlash that 40 00:01:55,424 --> 00:01:58,024 Speaker 2: before I knew, she's done some profiles where she's called 41 00:01:58,024 --> 00:02:00,064 Speaker 2: the journalist like two am and said, Okay, I'm sending 42 00:02:00,064 --> 00:02:02,424 Speaker 2: a calf you come now and like spend the day 43 00:02:02,464 --> 00:02:02,704 Speaker 2: with me. 44 00:02:03,104 --> 00:02:04,224 Speaker 1: She's got backlash for that. 45 00:02:04,224 --> 00:02:07,024 Speaker 2: I would have loved people like oh, how rude, and 46 00:02:07,064 --> 00:02:09,024 Speaker 2: like you know, how insensitive her to the journalist. 47 00:02:09,024 --> 00:02:10,184 Speaker 3: But I was like, no, no, that's her work. 48 00:02:10,824 --> 00:02:12,624 Speaker 2: That's when she and that's what she says to the 49 00:02:12,704 --> 00:02:14,384 Speaker 2: journalist when we come in that article she got in 50 00:02:14,424 --> 00:02:16,544 Speaker 2: trouble for. She was like, this is rock and roll. Like, 51 00:02:16,544 --> 00:02:18,344 Speaker 2: if you want to hang out with me and interview me, 52 00:02:18,424 --> 00:02:20,104 Speaker 2: this is it. And she sent a car for them, 53 00:02:20,104 --> 00:02:20,984 Speaker 2: which I thought was really. 54 00:02:20,904 --> 00:02:22,784 Speaker 1: Nice versus my rock and roll. When I'm up at 55 00:02:22,784 --> 00:02:24,824 Speaker 1: two am, it's because I had a nightmare and I 56 00:02:24,864 --> 00:02:27,504 Speaker 1: can't get back to My stomach hurts. I need to 57 00:02:27,504 --> 00:02:31,184 Speaker 1: get back to sleep. So the biggest I guess revelation 58 00:02:31,304 --> 00:02:33,664 Speaker 1: from this interview is kind of what every Rihanna fan 59 00:02:33,744 --> 00:02:37,624 Speaker 1: wants to know, and it's about music. She hasn't put 60 00:02:37,664 --> 00:02:40,944 Speaker 1: out an album in eight years, except for that one 61 00:02:41,024 --> 00:02:43,464 Speaker 1: song she did for Black Panther. Now we don't really 62 00:02:43,464 --> 00:02:45,224 Speaker 1: discuss because it was very depressing. 63 00:02:45,504 --> 00:02:46,984 Speaker 3: Well it's just a sad song, but it was me 64 00:02:47,184 --> 00:02:48,584 Speaker 3: to be me. 65 00:02:48,904 --> 00:02:50,264 Speaker 1: Uh that's song. 66 00:02:50,504 --> 00:02:52,344 Speaker 3: No, I know, that was beautiful. Thank you. I felt 67 00:02:52,344 --> 00:02:52,944 Speaker 3: like she was here. 68 00:02:53,424 --> 00:02:56,584 Speaker 1: Reama, she's here for this interview. And also when she 69 00:02:56,624 --> 00:02:59,704 Speaker 1: did the big Super Bowl performance performing all of the songs, 70 00:02:59,944 --> 00:03:02,424 Speaker 1: which also we will a bit like, oh, you're heavily pregnant, 71 00:03:02,504 --> 00:03:04,184 Speaker 1: you can't really bust out all those moves. 72 00:03:04,224 --> 00:03:06,784 Speaker 2: Well, just got overshadowed because everyone was like, oh, she's pregnant, 73 00:03:06,784 --> 00:03:08,424 Speaker 2: but we're not supposed to say that, So that became 74 00:03:08,464 --> 00:03:10,984 Speaker 2: the conversation instead of how she just kind of got 75 00:03:10,984 --> 00:03:12,864 Speaker 2: out there, did a few songs and was just like 76 00:03:13,304 --> 00:03:15,104 Speaker 2: this is this what you wanted and then went back 77 00:03:15,104 --> 00:03:15,704 Speaker 2: to her life. 78 00:03:16,024 --> 00:03:18,104 Speaker 1: Yeah, she kind of knows it as well. She said 79 00:03:18,384 --> 00:03:21,344 Speaker 1: her upcoming album it's not going to be commercial or 80 00:03:21,464 --> 00:03:24,544 Speaker 1: radio digestible, and she shut down all of those rumors 81 00:03:24,544 --> 00:03:27,104 Speaker 1: about everyone thinking it was going to be a reggae album. 82 00:03:27,304 --> 00:03:30,504 Speaker 1: Oh sure, She says that it's going to be something 83 00:03:30,624 --> 00:03:33,264 Speaker 1: that's going to be well worth the way. So she's 84 00:03:33,344 --> 00:03:36,464 Speaker 1: really hyping up this album. She has been seen going 85 00:03:36,504 --> 00:03:39,864 Speaker 1: in and out of studios for the past eight years, 86 00:03:39,904 --> 00:03:42,504 Speaker 1: and she says that she's tried it, but she knew 87 00:03:42,504 --> 00:03:44,304 Speaker 1: that it wasn't right for her and she wanted to 88 00:03:44,344 --> 00:03:47,144 Speaker 1: make it right. Something that really annoyed me in this 89 00:03:47,184 --> 00:03:51,144 Speaker 1: interview is that she's also looking to expand her brand. 90 00:03:51,224 --> 00:03:54,464 Speaker 1: She wants to move into furniture design and home decor, 91 00:03:54,944 --> 00:03:58,544 Speaker 1: which I'm all for but bring the album first, please. 92 00:03:58,624 --> 00:04:00,344 Speaker 2: Oh no, But she hates people asking her when the 93 00:04:00,384 --> 00:04:02,304 Speaker 2: album's going to come out. It's the one time you 94 00:04:02,344 --> 00:04:04,464 Speaker 2: see her get angry at like fans and journalists and 95 00:04:04,544 --> 00:04:06,864 Speaker 2: just the general public for asking. 96 00:04:06,664 --> 00:04:08,704 Speaker 1: Well, it's going to be soon, Like she says it's 97 00:04:08,744 --> 00:04:10,784 Speaker 1: going to be soon. But she did say that you're 98 00:04:10,824 --> 00:04:13,344 Speaker 1: still going to have to wait, and I'm like, eight 99 00:04:13,384 --> 00:04:16,264 Speaker 1: more years, eight more years. But she's committed to saying 100 00:04:16,264 --> 00:04:17,944 Speaker 1: that once the album is out, she's going to give 101 00:04:17,984 --> 00:04:18,784 Speaker 1: it her Also. 102 00:04:18,544 --> 00:04:20,784 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I think yet she's planning a tour and 103 00:04:20,824 --> 00:04:21,664 Speaker 3: everything she. 104 00:04:21,624 --> 00:04:23,904 Speaker 1: Has to You can't just drop an album and not 105 00:04:24,024 --> 00:04:26,024 Speaker 1: tour it. I hope it's going to be good. I 106 00:04:26,144 --> 00:04:27,904 Speaker 1: was a bit nervous when she said it's not going 107 00:04:27,944 --> 00:04:31,304 Speaker 1: to be radio digestible because I just want to Ringana hit. 108 00:04:31,504 --> 00:04:33,544 Speaker 1: And she also did say that the only album she's 109 00:04:33,584 --> 00:04:36,144 Speaker 1: actually really proud of is Auntie The Last Time got 110 00:04:36,184 --> 00:04:41,224 Speaker 1: out and I was like, bring back, Ponder, replay all 111 00:04:41,264 --> 00:04:43,584 Speaker 1: I want. I'm proud of it. The whole interview is 112 00:04:43,584 --> 00:04:46,224 Speaker 1: really good. She also talks about her relationship with She 113 00:04:46,304 --> 00:04:48,464 Speaker 1: calls them rocky, so I'm going to call them Rocky. Yeah, 114 00:04:48,544 --> 00:04:51,104 Speaker 1: they still go out at night when the kids are asleep. 115 00:04:51,184 --> 00:04:53,184 Speaker 3: You talk to that, I would hope. 116 00:04:53,224 --> 00:04:56,584 Speaker 1: So they still do so much charity work together for 117 00:04:56,704 --> 00:04:58,824 Speaker 1: the Boys and Girls Club. She seems like she's living 118 00:04:58,824 --> 00:05:02,304 Speaker 1: her best life, but she's still very very much into 119 00:05:02,344 --> 00:05:05,864 Speaker 1: fashion into her brand fenty into home decor, which I'm 120 00:05:05,904 --> 00:05:09,104 Speaker 1: a bit annoyed about. But she did promise that the 121 00:05:09,304 --> 00:05:12,464 Speaker 1: new release is going to be in out of body experience, 122 00:05:12,624 --> 00:05:15,544 Speaker 1: so stay tuned. I will be for at least the 123 00:05:15,544 --> 00:05:22,424 Speaker 1: next eight years. 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So let me describe their 141 00:06:14,824 --> 00:06:17,704 Speaker 2: new cover if you haven't seen it. The cove aren't 142 00:06:17,744 --> 00:06:21,664 Speaker 2: the front, says Blake versus Baldoni, an exclusive look behind 143 00:06:21,704 --> 00:06:24,464 Speaker 2: the battle lines of Hollywood's uncivil war. 144 00:06:26,544 --> 00:06:29,144 Speaker 3: That's all fair and good. It's the images. 145 00:06:29,224 --> 00:06:32,144 Speaker 2: So obviously they've had an artist rendered this image draw it, 146 00:06:32,664 --> 00:06:36,184 Speaker 2: and that's what's got people talking. So it's meant to 147 00:06:36,184 --> 00:06:38,584 Speaker 2: be sort of like a science fiction theme. It's almost 148 00:06:38,624 --> 00:06:41,744 Speaker 2: like an old school eighties or nineties sci fi scene. Yeah, 149 00:06:41,744 --> 00:06:44,064 Speaker 2: it looks like carton really. Yeah, yeah, almost like a 150 00:06:44,064 --> 00:06:46,584 Speaker 2: cartoon drawing. But like that's a very stylized look that 151 00:06:46,704 --> 00:06:49,184 Speaker 2: used to be all the posters of those like iconic 152 00:06:49,544 --> 00:06:52,104 Speaker 2: sci fi movies, like those monster movies from. 153 00:06:51,944 --> 00:06:54,104 Speaker 1: The Ladies book section in the newspaper. 154 00:06:54,264 --> 00:06:56,064 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, with that kind of look. 155 00:06:56,384 --> 00:06:59,744 Speaker 2: And so it's got the red sky, red Earth background 156 00:06:59,784 --> 00:07:02,224 Speaker 2: kind of was almost like a Star Wars themed like 157 00:07:02,464 --> 00:07:05,224 Speaker 2: very dystop Yeah, the background, but you can see the 158 00:07:05,264 --> 00:07:08,544 Speaker 2: Hollywood sign the distance. It's like a dystopian version of Hollywood. 159 00:07:08,824 --> 00:07:12,344 Speaker 2: Then you've got Blake Lively just behind Justin Baldoni, and 160 00:07:12,384 --> 00:07:14,504 Speaker 2: she's again wearying one of those almost like classic sci 161 00:07:14,544 --> 00:07:17,504 Speaker 2: fi looks of like it's like a metallic gown. They've 162 00:07:17,504 --> 00:07:19,904 Speaker 2: got her boobs out, some cleavage, Yeah, they've got the 163 00:07:19,904 --> 00:07:22,384 Speaker 2: cleavage happening. She also looks like she's been through a 164 00:07:22,384 --> 00:07:25,264 Speaker 2: bit of a battle, like her hairs flowing back. She's 165 00:07:25,304 --> 00:07:27,984 Speaker 2: got a very intense look on her face. Again, these 166 00:07:27,984 --> 00:07:31,104 Speaker 2: are drawn images and not taken from photos. And she's 167 00:07:31,504 --> 00:07:35,224 Speaker 2: looking like directly with her like dagger eyes at Justin Baldoni. 168 00:07:35,304 --> 00:07:36,384 Speaker 1: It's like the Hunger Games. 169 00:07:36,624 --> 00:07:37,344 Speaker 3: Oh one hundred bus. 170 00:07:37,384 --> 00:07:39,264 Speaker 1: It looks like the Hunger Games. If the Hunger Games 171 00:07:39,304 --> 00:07:41,384 Speaker 1: took place straight after they did their big like show 172 00:07:41,424 --> 00:07:42,424 Speaker 1: and tell with their gowns. 173 00:07:42,584 --> 00:07:44,664 Speaker 2: Yeah, if they just went strange the battle in their 174 00:07:44,824 --> 00:07:47,624 Speaker 2: gowns under the presentation. The most important thing to note 175 00:07:47,664 --> 00:07:49,784 Speaker 2: around this is that Blake Lively is holding like an 176 00:07:49,824 --> 00:07:53,544 Speaker 2: old school wooden slingshot, and in the slingshot is a 177 00:07:53,584 --> 00:07:55,944 Speaker 2: mobile phone and you can see text messages are up 178 00:07:55,944 --> 00:07:58,424 Speaker 2: on the cover, and she's aiming the phone with a 179 00:07:58,504 --> 00:08:02,144 Speaker 2: slingshot directly at the back of Justin Baldoni's head, which 180 00:08:02,184 --> 00:08:04,144 Speaker 2: is meant to signify that she has sort of come 181 00:08:04,144 --> 00:08:07,384 Speaker 2: from behind to pounce on him, and that's signifying the 182 00:08:07,424 --> 00:08:09,824 Speaker 2: text messages that are in the court documents that she's 183 00:08:09,904 --> 00:08:12,904 Speaker 2: using in the legal battle. So it's almost looking like 184 00:08:12,984 --> 00:08:15,624 Speaker 2: she's stalking and attacking him, like she's the hunter and 185 00:08:15,664 --> 00:08:16,304 Speaker 2: he's the prey. 186 00:08:16,624 --> 00:08:18,384 Speaker 1: So like a bit of like a dirty move, right, 187 00:08:18,504 --> 00:08:19,784 Speaker 1: like stabbing someone in the back. 188 00:08:19,904 --> 00:08:22,224 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, the idea of like, because she's coming from behind, 189 00:08:22,344 --> 00:08:24,544 Speaker 2: he looks very like agitated, like he knows she's coming, 190 00:08:24,584 --> 00:08:25,544 Speaker 2: but he can't see her. 191 00:08:26,304 --> 00:08:27,464 Speaker 1: Kind of like running. 192 00:08:27,744 --> 00:08:30,264 Speaker 3: Oh I know. So if they've got. 193 00:08:30,104 --> 00:08:33,384 Speaker 2: Justin Baldoni, then more in the front, he's sort of 194 00:08:33,384 --> 00:08:35,904 Speaker 2: like slightly crouched like he's about to fight. He's got 195 00:08:35,904 --> 00:08:38,104 Speaker 2: the It Ends with Us book, the Collin Hoover book 196 00:08:38,144 --> 00:08:41,704 Speaker 2: in his hand open sort of to signify that he 197 00:08:41,744 --> 00:08:43,904 Speaker 2: has been like you know, using like the power of 198 00:08:43,904 --> 00:08:45,464 Speaker 2: the book and the message of the book, and like 199 00:08:45,504 --> 00:08:47,464 Speaker 2: also the fact that he owns the rights to the book. 200 00:08:47,504 --> 00:08:50,144 Speaker 2: So he's holding the power in his hand. He's also 201 00:08:50,144 --> 00:08:51,784 Speaker 2: got a rope in his head. 202 00:08:51,864 --> 00:08:53,224 Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't understand the rope. 203 00:08:53,384 --> 00:08:55,344 Speaker 2: Well, is it like he's got enough rope to hang 204 00:08:55,424 --> 00:08:57,944 Speaker 2: himself or is he using him like as a weapon, 205 00:08:58,104 --> 00:09:00,304 Speaker 2: because it is like the rope is tied in a 206 00:09:00,384 --> 00:09:03,464 Speaker 2: noose to say, like what I mean, hang himself. It's 207 00:09:03,464 --> 00:09:05,264 Speaker 2: like some people are saying that because he's sort of 208 00:09:05,464 --> 00:09:07,664 Speaker 2: put all that evidence out there and he's put himself 209 00:09:07,664 --> 00:09:10,104 Speaker 2: in a bad position. It's like he's hanging his own career. 210 00:09:10,424 --> 00:09:12,784 Speaker 1: Is he trying to like capture her like Wonder. 211 00:09:12,584 --> 00:09:15,544 Speaker 2: Woman or he's trying to like so it depends exactly. 212 00:09:15,584 --> 00:09:16,624 Speaker 2: That's so true, Emily. 213 00:09:16,824 --> 00:09:21,824 Speaker 1: It depends how I felish analyzing like the imagery, there's 214 00:09:21,864 --> 00:09:22,824 Speaker 1: so many layers. 215 00:09:23,104 --> 00:09:25,664 Speaker 2: So if he's holding the rope down with like he is, 216 00:09:25,744 --> 00:09:28,224 Speaker 2: it looks like a noose, which is obviously very negative thing. 217 00:09:28,464 --> 00:09:30,904 Speaker 2: If he was to pick that rope with the twist 218 00:09:30,904 --> 00:09:32,344 Speaker 2: of the end up and spin it, it would be 219 00:09:32,384 --> 00:09:34,104 Speaker 2: like a lassuit like a Wonder Woman. It would be 220 00:09:34,144 --> 00:09:36,464 Speaker 2: a weapon, so it could go either way. And then 221 00:09:36,464 --> 00:09:39,984 Speaker 2: there's a splash of flowers going along the side wrapping it. 222 00:09:40,104 --> 00:09:43,064 Speaker 1: Get your florals out. Yeah, you can bring the girl friends, 223 00:09:43,184 --> 00:09:45,504 Speaker 1: get your florals out, let's head to the cinema. 224 00:09:45,624 --> 00:09:47,904 Speaker 2: And they're the same color and style as are on 225 00:09:47,944 --> 00:09:49,544 Speaker 2: the book. It ends with us on the front of 226 00:09:49,544 --> 00:09:50,304 Speaker 2: the book, the same. 227 00:09:50,104 --> 00:09:52,544 Speaker 1: Flame and also a lot of the gown she was wearing, Yeah. 228 00:09:52,304 --> 00:09:55,424 Speaker 2: Exactly, and they're wrapping up around Blake Lively, so they're 229 00:09:55,464 --> 00:09:57,344 Speaker 2: not part of her gown, but they are kind of. 230 00:09:57,384 --> 00:10:00,144 Speaker 2: So it is to signify the fact that he's talked 231 00:10:00,144 --> 00:10:01,944 Speaker 2: about the message of the book, so he's holding the 232 00:10:01,944 --> 00:10:04,424 Speaker 2: book and she's wearing flowers to say that she missed 233 00:10:04,464 --> 00:10:06,704 Speaker 2: the point. Obviously, there's a lot of different ways you 234 00:10:06,744 --> 00:10:12,984 Speaker 2: can take this cover depends. Yes, there's so many hidden messages. 235 00:10:13,224 --> 00:10:15,264 Speaker 2: I can tell you who hasn't taken it well, and 236 00:10:15,304 --> 00:10:16,144 Speaker 2: that's Blake Lively. 237 00:10:16,504 --> 00:10:17,864 Speaker 1: Any woman wouldn't have. 238 00:10:17,904 --> 00:10:19,544 Speaker 3: Like, oh, one hundred percent. 239 00:10:19,584 --> 00:10:22,944 Speaker 1: It's the worst portrayal of her the scene and that 240 00:10:22,984 --> 00:10:24,184 Speaker 1: includes Justin Baldoni. 241 00:10:24,504 --> 00:10:26,784 Speaker 2: Well, they've certainly taken a side. So a number of 242 00:10:26,784 --> 00:10:30,064 Speaker 2: publications covered this over the weekend. 243 00:10:28,984 --> 00:10:31,904 Speaker 1: Didn't have the two dragons with yeah, Jaylor Swift and 244 00:10:31,984 --> 00:10:32,944 Speaker 1: Ryan round spaces. 245 00:10:33,024 --> 00:10:35,384 Speaker 2: Maybe that's on the inside. Yeah, taylor'sift referenced at all. 246 00:10:35,424 --> 00:10:38,064 Speaker 2: So it's like the Hollywood Reporter is happy to sort 247 00:10:38,064 --> 00:10:39,824 Speaker 2: of go against these two celebs, but they're not going 248 00:10:39,904 --> 00:10:43,024 Speaker 2: to touch the Taylor Swift thing. So Blake Lively issued 249 00:10:43,144 --> 00:10:46,584 Speaker 2: a comment about it through her spokesperson. Because a lot 250 00:10:46,584 --> 00:10:48,864 Speaker 2: of different publications were covering us over the weekend doing 251 00:10:48,944 --> 00:10:51,744 Speaker 2: stories about it, they all reached out for comment, and 252 00:10:51,824 --> 00:10:55,384 Speaker 2: the quote that her spokesperson gave was the Hollywood Reporter 253 00:10:55,424 --> 00:10:58,864 Speaker 2: should be ashamed of itself, so starting out strong, And 254 00:10:58,904 --> 00:11:02,944 Speaker 2: then they said, the framing in this picture is outrageously insulting, 255 00:11:03,024 --> 00:11:06,024 Speaker 2: as it plays into every sexist trope about women who 256 00:11:06,144 --> 00:11:09,544 Speaker 2: dare to file a workplace complaint, turning them into the 257 00:11:09,584 --> 00:11:13,584 Speaker 2: aggressor and suggesting they deserve the retaliation that comes their way. 258 00:11:14,144 --> 00:11:17,904 Speaker 2: In addition, the story is extremely offensive as it incredibly 259 00:11:17,944 --> 00:11:21,944 Speaker 2: seems to explain away documented examples of sexual harassment and 260 00:11:21,984 --> 00:11:26,864 Speaker 2: retaliation by calling them cultural misunderstandings. Oh so, first getting 261 00:11:26,904 --> 00:11:29,304 Speaker 2: onto the cover, do you think it's sexist looking at that? 262 00:11:29,344 --> 00:11:30,864 Speaker 3: And then hearing her statement. 263 00:11:30,704 --> 00:11:33,584 Speaker 1: Yes, I think the most sexist part of that entire 264 00:11:33,664 --> 00:11:36,064 Speaker 1: thing was the difference in the way that they were 265 00:11:36,104 --> 00:11:37,704 Speaker 1: both dressed. On that cover. 266 00:11:38,064 --> 00:11:40,704 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the cleavage showing gown, which I'm sure they 267 00:11:40,744 --> 00:11:44,344 Speaker 2: would say, but that's how like Blake Lively has built 268 00:11:44,384 --> 00:11:47,464 Speaker 2: up a career as being a fashionista. She's a staple 269 00:11:47,504 --> 00:11:49,584 Speaker 2: on red carpet. She's become one of the faces of 270 00:11:49,584 --> 00:11:52,544 Speaker 2: the met gala. She loves an opulent gown. So I'm 271 00:11:52,584 --> 00:11:55,944 Speaker 2: sure they're thinking they're picturing her the way the world 272 00:11:55,984 --> 00:11:58,304 Speaker 2: seats her and the way she's chosen to depict herself. 273 00:11:58,584 --> 00:12:01,224 Speaker 2: But at the same time, in a combative situation like 274 00:12:01,264 --> 00:12:03,624 Speaker 2: that where she's coming from behind to attacking with the 275 00:12:03,704 --> 00:12:07,024 Speaker 2: phone and they've put her in a low cut, sexy dress, 276 00:12:07,344 --> 00:12:09,384 Speaker 2: it's a bit like just put them both in dystopian 277 00:12:09,424 --> 00:12:13,664 Speaker 2: battle outfits if you, yeah, even put him in like that, 278 00:12:13,704 --> 00:12:15,344 Speaker 2: like we've always got those like suit with a few 279 00:12:15,384 --> 00:12:18,624 Speaker 2: buttons on done or something. Instead, he's wearing like, not 280 00:12:18,664 --> 00:12:20,744 Speaker 2: like a slave outfit, but that sort of thing if 281 00:12:20,824 --> 00:12:22,584 Speaker 2: you watch like the Star Wars. 282 00:12:22,304 --> 00:12:23,384 Speaker 3: Movies or anything like that. 283 00:12:23,504 --> 00:12:28,504 Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, yeah, he's got a sandal, yeah, like a 284 00:12:28,504 --> 00:12:31,744 Speaker 2: brown sack almost. So it's really placing her as like 285 00:12:31,784 --> 00:12:33,744 Speaker 2: the person with all the money. I mean to be 286 00:12:33,744 --> 00:12:35,304 Speaker 2: fair in high dressed too. It is look like it's 287 00:12:35,344 --> 00:12:37,304 Speaker 2: tied with rope, Like they haven't done it to look 288 00:12:37,344 --> 00:12:40,104 Speaker 2: like it's a cature gown, but it does look like 289 00:12:40,264 --> 00:12:42,984 Speaker 2: kind of like a sexy goddess battle gown. And then 290 00:12:43,024 --> 00:12:45,504 Speaker 2: he's got the more demure kind of servant outfit on. 291 00:12:45,944 --> 00:12:47,584 Speaker 1: And that's just from the cover, But what did the 292 00:12:47,704 --> 00:12:49,744 Speaker 1: actual story say. 293 00:12:49,864 --> 00:12:51,904 Speaker 2: There are a few different parts to it, so they 294 00:12:51,944 --> 00:12:54,584 Speaker 2: had like the whole big timeline of what's happened between them. 295 00:12:54,744 --> 00:12:57,344 Speaker 2: There's also a section on the fact that this has 296 00:12:57,464 --> 00:13:01,064 Speaker 2: changed Hollywood publicity forever, and basically that was kind of 297 00:13:01,064 --> 00:13:03,784 Speaker 2: really getting into the nitty gritty of how much the 298 00:13:03,824 --> 00:13:06,784 Speaker 2: publicists have been brought into this and how publicity teams 299 00:13:06,824 --> 00:13:09,624 Speaker 2: have always and I'm paraphrasing her, but basically it was 300 00:13:09,664 --> 00:13:11,824 Speaker 2: like they've always like protected their clients, They've done the 301 00:13:11,864 --> 00:13:14,784 Speaker 2: dirty work, they've stepped into life for them, they've stepped 302 00:13:14,824 --> 00:13:16,944 Speaker 2: in to take other people down for them. But this 303 00:13:17,024 --> 00:13:19,384 Speaker 2: has been a big reckoning of all the people that 304 00:13:19,424 --> 00:13:21,704 Speaker 2: were involved with that now being in this legal case, 305 00:13:21,744 --> 00:13:25,504 Speaker 2: and how going forward publicists will be much more unlikely 306 00:13:25,624 --> 00:13:28,304 Speaker 2: to sort of be involved in that level with their clients. 307 00:13:28,864 --> 00:13:31,744 Speaker 2: Not obviously, I'm thinking people who operate on a higher level, 308 00:13:31,784 --> 00:13:34,984 Speaker 2: like treat paint in terms of publicists, but I think 309 00:13:34,984 --> 00:13:36,984 Speaker 2: in terms of like hiring a publicity for them to 310 00:13:37,024 --> 00:13:39,704 Speaker 2: come in and do damage control. There's that section, and 311 00:13:39,744 --> 00:13:42,344 Speaker 2: then a lot of the main article is very much 312 00:13:42,384 --> 00:13:46,784 Speaker 2: devoted to Justin Baldoni's spirituality and how that worked through 313 00:13:47,024 --> 00:13:49,744 Speaker 2: the way he and his company run their productions and 314 00:13:49,784 --> 00:13:53,664 Speaker 2: their office. What's really interesting is that the Hollywood reporter 315 00:13:53,744 --> 00:13:56,664 Speaker 2: in this article has unearthed a complaint made by Jenny 316 00:13:56,664 --> 00:13:59,104 Speaker 2: Slat So she's a co star in the film. Up 317 00:13:59,184 --> 00:14:02,064 Speaker 2: until now, she's kind of loosely sided with Blake, but 318 00:14:02,144 --> 00:14:05,024 Speaker 2: hasn't sort of put out a big statement. So her 319 00:14:05,104 --> 00:14:07,544 Speaker 2: name is in the court documents, the Holy Red Reporter 320 00:14:07,624 --> 00:14:09,744 Speaker 2: has learned, but it was redacted, so they've uncovered the 321 00:14:09,784 --> 00:14:13,384 Speaker 2: fact thisarticular complaint was made by her and her complaint 322 00:14:13,424 --> 00:14:17,384 Speaker 2: that she apparently made against Justin Baldoni, but also Wayferry Studios, 323 00:14:17,664 --> 00:14:19,864 Speaker 2: the studio who made the movie, who were very embroad 324 00:14:19,944 --> 00:14:22,304 Speaker 2: in this. And actually most of the complaints that the 325 00:14:22,344 --> 00:14:25,224 Speaker 2: different cast and that Blake herself has made are actually 326 00:14:25,464 --> 00:14:27,224 Speaker 2: somewhere about Justin, but a lot of them are just 327 00:14:27,264 --> 00:14:29,384 Speaker 2: about the production company because at the end of the day, 328 00:14:29,424 --> 00:14:32,144 Speaker 2: they were the ones responsible for it all. So in 329 00:14:32,184 --> 00:14:35,224 Speaker 2: the court documents that The Hollywood Reporter has unearthed, it 330 00:14:35,384 --> 00:14:38,104 Speaker 2: says that Jenny Slat had rented an apartment in New 331 00:14:38,184 --> 00:14:39,904 Speaker 2: York where it ends with us with shooting. 332 00:14:40,064 --> 00:14:40,784 Speaker 3: She had a toddler. 333 00:14:40,824 --> 00:14:42,824 Speaker 2: She wanted to be like in an apartment space and 334 00:14:42,904 --> 00:14:44,384 Speaker 2: have like a bit of a home base for her 335 00:14:44,384 --> 00:14:46,864 Speaker 2: and her family. But she doesn't say what was wrong 336 00:14:46,904 --> 00:14:50,144 Speaker 2: with the apartment, but something about it wasn't right and 337 00:14:50,184 --> 00:14:52,224 Speaker 2: she really wanted to move, but she didn't want to 338 00:14:52,264 --> 00:14:54,944 Speaker 2: lose the security deposit that she'd put down, which was 339 00:14:54,984 --> 00:14:57,184 Speaker 2: fifteen thousand dollars, which she would have lost if she 340 00:14:57,224 --> 00:15:00,104 Speaker 2: moved out of there. So then Jamie Heath, who's a 341 00:15:00,184 --> 00:15:04,104 Speaker 2: producer with Wayfair and works really closely with Justin Baldoni, 342 00:15:04,424 --> 00:15:06,864 Speaker 2: said that he and the company would reimburse her for 343 00:15:06,944 --> 00:15:10,144 Speaker 2: the security deposit if she wanted to leave, which on 344 00:15:10,584 --> 00:15:12,984 Speaker 2: sounds lovely like they're saying, you're a big part of 345 00:15:12,984 --> 00:15:14,944 Speaker 2: this movie. We don't want you and your family and 346 00:15:14,944 --> 00:15:17,344 Speaker 2: your toddler to be uncomfortable. We know you're going to 347 00:15:17,424 --> 00:15:19,104 Speaker 2: lose a lot of money, Like, let us cover that 348 00:15:19,224 --> 00:15:21,424 Speaker 2: for you so you can move somewhere you're more comfortable. 349 00:15:22,024 --> 00:15:24,064 Speaker 2: What Jenny Slat then goes on to say in these 350 00:15:24,104 --> 00:15:28,424 Speaker 2: documents is that Heath made it a very uncomfortable situation 351 00:15:28,544 --> 00:15:31,704 Speaker 2: for her because when he offered to give her the money, 352 00:15:32,224 --> 00:15:35,504 Speaker 2: he talked about the sanctity of motherhood and Slate's own 353 00:15:35,584 --> 00:15:37,424 Speaker 2: role as a mother and said that's why they were 354 00:15:37,464 --> 00:15:39,784 Speaker 2: doing it, to protect the sanctity of motherhood for her 355 00:15:39,784 --> 00:15:43,424 Speaker 2: and her child. And then, according to sources, that's when 356 00:15:43,544 --> 00:15:46,104 Speaker 2: Jenny Slat made a complaint to Sony, who was the 357 00:15:46,224 --> 00:15:50,584 Speaker 2: studio producing the movie, and Wayfairer's studios was informed about 358 00:15:50,624 --> 00:15:53,984 Speaker 2: her complaint and went on to do nothing. In the article, 359 00:15:54,064 --> 00:15:56,664 Speaker 2: they say that Jamie Heath had a very different understanding 360 00:15:56,664 --> 00:15:58,864 Speaker 2: of the interaction and he thought it was a kind 361 00:15:58,904 --> 00:16:01,584 Speaker 2: gesture that was being weaponized against him. So that's the 362 00:16:01,704 --> 00:16:03,344 Speaker 2: new piece of information in the article. 363 00:16:03,864 --> 00:16:06,624 Speaker 1: I'm struggling to see what the issue is. 364 00:16:06,904 --> 00:16:08,864 Speaker 2: It's again, it's one of those things where so many 365 00:16:08,864 --> 00:16:11,664 Speaker 2: things that Blake Lively is saying about her interactions with 366 00:16:11,704 --> 00:16:14,664 Speaker 2: Wayfair and Justin Baldoni don't seem that bad, but it's 367 00:16:14,664 --> 00:16:17,704 Speaker 2: like we're always saying, like, what is the context behind that. Yeah, 368 00:16:17,744 --> 00:16:19,464 Speaker 2: Like I know, when I was reading that out, it 369 00:16:19,544 --> 00:16:23,184 Speaker 2: sounds crazy. It sounds like Jenny Slate got offered for 370 00:16:23,224 --> 00:16:25,904 Speaker 2: someone to cover fifteen thousand dollars and because they said 371 00:16:25,944 --> 00:16:28,344 Speaker 2: to her, you're a mother, she complained about him. But 372 00:16:28,424 --> 00:16:30,024 Speaker 2: there's got to be more to it than that, is 373 00:16:30,024 --> 00:16:30,784 Speaker 2: what I'm thinking. 374 00:16:31,144 --> 00:16:34,384 Speaker 1: And with Hollywood Reporter uncovering her name, are they allowed. 375 00:16:34,144 --> 00:16:34,504 Speaker 3: To do that? 376 00:16:34,984 --> 00:16:37,144 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I guess they have the documents to prove it, 377 00:16:37,744 --> 00:16:39,944 Speaker 2: so her name was reductive from what was made public. 378 00:16:40,064 --> 00:16:41,904 Speaker 2: But if they've got the court documents and they're able 379 00:16:41,944 --> 00:16:44,224 Speaker 2: to substantiate that claim, then they're allowed to print it. 380 00:16:44,784 --> 00:16:47,744 Speaker 1: WHOA. I feel like it's all just leading up to 381 00:16:48,224 --> 00:16:52,224 Speaker 1: like there's surely lively in her team. They have more 382 00:16:52,264 --> 00:16:54,184 Speaker 1: evidence to give and like what you said, like more 383 00:16:54,184 --> 00:16:58,024 Speaker 1: context to bring to everything that justin Baldoni's team is 384 00:16:58,064 --> 00:17:00,624 Speaker 1: saying that. I feel like we're just hearing bits and 385 00:17:00,664 --> 00:17:03,584 Speaker 1: pieces from both sides, And do you think we'll actually 386 00:17:03,664 --> 00:17:04,664 Speaker 1: learn the whole picture? 387 00:17:04,784 --> 00:17:06,984 Speaker 2: Well, potentially when the court case actually happens, which I 388 00:17:06,984 --> 00:17:08,784 Speaker 2: got to remind you is still over a year away. 389 00:17:09,344 --> 00:17:12,384 Speaker 2: What I think is interesting from this is that reading 390 00:17:12,424 --> 00:17:14,704 Speaker 2: through this whole long article. There's a lot of interesting 391 00:17:14,744 --> 00:17:17,064 Speaker 2: things in there, but there's not a huge amount of 392 00:17:17,144 --> 00:17:19,784 Speaker 2: new information. What I think is more interesting is that 393 00:17:19,904 --> 00:17:22,504 Speaker 2: a publication like The Hollywood Reporter, which is known for 394 00:17:22,584 --> 00:17:24,784 Speaker 2: being like more of a trade publication in terms of 395 00:17:24,824 --> 00:17:27,784 Speaker 2: like they interview actors and actresses, but they also interview 396 00:17:27,864 --> 00:17:30,704 Speaker 2: like all the filmmakers, the costume designers, Like they have 397 00:17:31,024 --> 00:17:34,424 Speaker 2: exclusive deals with different studios. They're very much in the 398 00:17:34,464 --> 00:17:37,224 Speaker 2: celebrity world. Like they're not a tabloid or anything like that, 399 00:17:37,304 --> 00:17:40,064 Speaker 2: or they're not a news publication that doesn't trade in 400 00:17:40,064 --> 00:17:43,624 Speaker 2: interviews and currency with having these relationships, and they have 401 00:17:43,744 --> 00:17:48,024 Speaker 2: decided that it was more important to do this cover 402 00:17:48,104 --> 00:17:50,064 Speaker 2: and put that story out there than it was to 403 00:17:50,144 --> 00:17:53,664 Speaker 2: keep a good relationship with Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds 404 00:17:53,704 --> 00:17:56,064 Speaker 2: and their production company and all the people that they 405 00:17:56,104 --> 00:17:58,664 Speaker 2: work with. Like they were so almost like comfortable to 406 00:17:58,664 --> 00:18:01,064 Speaker 2: take a swing that they wouldn't have taken before. And 407 00:18:01,104 --> 00:18:03,224 Speaker 2: I think it's because they're so aware with the public 408 00:18:03,264 --> 00:18:07,104 Speaker 2: sentiment is so against Blake and buy an extension Ryan, 409 00:18:07,544 --> 00:18:09,304 Speaker 2: that they would do this because it's going to be 410 00:18:09,384 --> 00:18:11,024 Speaker 2: very hard for them to get sort of you know, 411 00:18:11,544 --> 00:18:14,304 Speaker 2: interviews or access to any of the movies that Blake 412 00:18:14,344 --> 00:18:16,664 Speaker 2: and Ryan do going forward, because they're sobs said about 413 00:18:16,664 --> 00:18:19,184 Speaker 2: this cover, but they would have known that putting it out. 414 00:18:20,144 --> 00:18:22,624 Speaker 2: It's almost like with Vanity Fair doing that Megan Markle cover, 415 00:18:22,944 --> 00:18:25,064 Speaker 2: where like they knew that they was forever cutting ties 416 00:18:25,144 --> 00:18:27,384 Speaker 2: with Megan and Harry and everyone who works with them. 417 00:18:27,224 --> 00:18:28,864 Speaker 3: And they did it anyway, and they did it anyway. 418 00:18:28,944 --> 00:18:31,344 Speaker 2: So it's almost like these publications are sort of choosing, 419 00:18:31,384 --> 00:18:34,784 Speaker 2: like which celebrities they're happy to still have a relationship 420 00:18:34,824 --> 00:18:37,704 Speaker 2: with and which ones they'll benefit from more by writing 421 00:18:37,744 --> 00:18:39,704 Speaker 2: about them, not talking to them. I just think it's 422 00:18:39,704 --> 00:18:41,744 Speaker 2: a bit of a shift in celebrity currency. 423 00:18:41,784 --> 00:18:48,984 Speaker 1: Interesting. So, in the past few weeks, three massive relationships 424 00:18:49,104 --> 00:18:53,904 Speaker 1: in Hollywood have blossomed, and all the celebrity side of 425 00:18:53,944 --> 00:18:57,824 Speaker 1: these relationships are mainly like the men. Yes, so we 426 00:18:58,024 --> 00:19:01,944 Speaker 1: kind of touched on Jason Momoa and Live. He's gone 427 00:19:01,944 --> 00:19:06,704 Speaker 1: public with his new relationship after finalizing his divorce in January, 428 00:19:06,784 --> 00:19:09,624 Speaker 1: but he's now in a relationship with Adria Ahona, who 429 00:19:09,904 --> 00:19:13,704 Speaker 1: started in Blink Twice and we loved in Blink Twice. 430 00:19:13,824 --> 00:19:16,464 Speaker 1: She was such a standout. She was also starting the 431 00:19:16,544 --> 00:19:20,864 Speaker 1: hit man, and I find this relationship very interesting because 432 00:19:20,984 --> 00:19:28,704 Speaker 1: he's essentially dating his ex daughter in law's lead actress. 433 00:19:28,944 --> 00:19:32,464 Speaker 2: Yes, because Zoe Kravitz wrote, directed, and produced Blink twice, 434 00:19:32,584 --> 00:19:34,624 Speaker 2: of which she was like one of the big breakout stars. 435 00:19:34,744 --> 00:19:36,184 Speaker 3: Yeah, well know me Yaki, But I feel like she 436 00:19:36,224 --> 00:19:36,904 Speaker 3: was already. 437 00:19:36,624 --> 00:19:37,784 Speaker 1: A star, already a star. 438 00:19:37,944 --> 00:19:42,184 Speaker 2: So surely Zoi Kravitz introduced them. Surely because they were 439 00:19:42,224 --> 00:19:42,664 Speaker 2: still together. 440 00:19:42,704 --> 00:19:44,744 Speaker 1: They were all four of them were still together. 441 00:19:44,624 --> 00:19:46,704 Speaker 3: Yeah, at the time, So I'm sure that's how it happened. 442 00:19:46,704 --> 00:19:49,504 Speaker 2: But also Zoi Kravitz is still very close to Jason Momoa, 443 00:19:49,624 --> 00:19:52,664 Speaker 2: just for everything they've said publicly, but being close to 444 00:19:52,664 --> 00:19:55,824 Speaker 2: your ex stepfather and in terms of like inviting him 445 00:19:55,864 --> 00:19:58,064 Speaker 2: to your movie premiere and then being close to him 446 00:19:58,104 --> 00:19:59,544 Speaker 2: in terms of like let me hook you out with 447 00:19:59,544 --> 00:20:01,784 Speaker 2: my friend. And because I had that, and my employee 448 00:20:01,904 --> 00:20:04,104 Speaker 2: is a different kettle of fish, because I both. 449 00:20:03,944 --> 00:20:06,944 Speaker 1: Like similar age kind of like she's in the mid 450 00:20:06,984 --> 00:20:10,144 Speaker 1: thirties he's, and there's mid forties. Lisa Benet was in 451 00:20:10,184 --> 00:20:13,904 Speaker 1: her mid fifties. Channing Tatum was also in his mid forties. 452 00:20:13,904 --> 00:20:15,864 Speaker 1: I think Channing Tatum and Jason and while the same. 453 00:20:15,624 --> 00:20:18,264 Speaker 3: Age, Wow, that blows the mind, doesn't it. 454 00:20:18,344 --> 00:20:20,704 Speaker 1: And adria is thirty two. 455 00:20:20,784 --> 00:20:22,744 Speaker 3: So I feels she's too young to be involved in it. 456 00:20:22,864 --> 00:20:25,984 Speaker 1: He's like swinging both ways though, so his ex lisabin 457 00:20:26,024 --> 00:20:29,264 Speaker 1: A is like over ten years older than him. Adriana 458 00:20:29,304 --> 00:20:30,544 Speaker 1: is over ten years younger than him. 459 00:20:30,584 --> 00:20:31,984 Speaker 2: But isn't that the way it goes as the men 460 00:20:32,024 --> 00:20:35,864 Speaker 2: get older like this women. As the men get older, 461 00:20:35,904 --> 00:20:36,864 Speaker 2: their girlfriends get younger. 462 00:20:36,864 --> 00:20:38,944 Speaker 1: In Hollywood, Yeah, it's confusing, and I'm about to make 463 00:20:38,984 --> 00:20:42,304 Speaker 1: it a bit more complicated because during Blink Twice we 464 00:20:42,384 --> 00:20:46,624 Speaker 1: found out that Channing Tatum and Zoe Kravitz had split up. 465 00:20:47,024 --> 00:20:50,024 Speaker 1: They were once the movie had the movie had come out, 466 00:20:50,064 --> 00:20:52,264 Speaker 1: so they were together for years. They were engaged, and 467 00:20:52,264 --> 00:20:54,784 Speaker 1: then they canceled the wedding. They split up, and now 468 00:20:54,944 --> 00:20:58,184 Speaker 1: Channing Tatum is dating. It's rumored that he's dating. There's 469 00:20:58,224 --> 00:21:01,864 Speaker 1: been photos Papa holding hands with Inka Williams, who's an 470 00:21:01,864 --> 00:21:06,024 Speaker 1: Australian model who's twenty five years old. Twenty over twenty 471 00:21:06,144 --> 00:21:07,184 Speaker 1: years younger than. 472 00:21:07,184 --> 00:21:09,064 Speaker 2: At least it's twenty five, Like, I mean, your frontal 473 00:21:09,144 --> 00:21:10,304 Speaker 2: over has just developed. 474 00:21:10,744 --> 00:21:12,784 Speaker 3: You just give me twenty five minutes. 475 00:21:13,944 --> 00:21:14,864 Speaker 1: I was insane. 476 00:21:15,144 --> 00:21:17,144 Speaker 2: I remember talking to you for your twenty fifth birthday 477 00:21:17,184 --> 00:21:19,384 Speaker 2: and being like, just your wait, your whole personality is 478 00:21:19,424 --> 00:21:20,304 Speaker 2: going to come in soon. 479 00:21:20,624 --> 00:21:22,104 Speaker 3: But I did not think it's jeer. 480 00:21:22,224 --> 00:21:26,224 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was insane. So Inka, there's not much known 481 00:21:26,224 --> 00:21:28,344 Speaker 1: about her. We think she's around twenty five years old. 482 00:21:28,344 --> 00:21:30,344 Speaker 1: That's what it's been rumored. She did an interview with 483 00:21:30,424 --> 00:21:33,664 Speaker 1: by Charlotte. By Charlotte that absolutely winning the jewelry company 484 00:21:34,064 --> 00:21:36,424 Speaker 1: absolutely like promoing the heck out of this. 485 00:21:36,664 --> 00:21:39,184 Speaker 3: Yeah, well they've got the exclusives by accident. I'm sure 486 00:21:39,184 --> 00:21:39,824 Speaker 3: by accident. 487 00:21:40,104 --> 00:21:43,224 Speaker 1: She was born in Australia but was racing Bali. Oh beautiful, 488 00:21:43,264 --> 00:21:46,304 Speaker 1: So she feels like she's very culturally rounded. And I 489 00:21:46,384 --> 00:21:50,184 Speaker 1: think that's what Channing really likes from his relationships. 490 00:21:50,384 --> 00:21:51,784 Speaker 2: Is that what he likes. I think he likes that 491 00:21:51,824 --> 00:21:53,384 Speaker 2: she's twenty five and he's in his forty. 492 00:21:53,504 --> 00:21:54,664 Speaker 1: He doesn't have a type, does he. 493 00:21:54,984 --> 00:21:57,424 Speaker 3: No, he does tend to just date. I guess however 494 00:21:57,504 --> 00:21:58,304 Speaker 3: he falls in love with. 495 00:22:00,104 --> 00:22:02,144 Speaker 2: I try to be nice to him because well, ee, 496 00:22:02,384 --> 00:22:04,544 Speaker 2: what's interesting is that we talk so much about the 497 00:22:04,544 --> 00:22:06,624 Speaker 2: fact when he got with Zoe Kraviatz it gave him 498 00:22:06,664 --> 00:22:09,224 Speaker 2: such a cool boy makeover. Yeah, because before that, he 499 00:22:09,304 --> 00:22:11,224 Speaker 2: was seen as a bit of a himbo, and then 500 00:22:11,304 --> 00:22:14,304 Speaker 2: she wrote that part for him in this movie. That 501 00:22:14,464 --> 00:22:16,904 Speaker 2: was a very layered and complex role in terms of 502 00:22:16,904 --> 00:22:18,824 Speaker 2: the performance he had to get, and she wrote it 503 00:22:18,864 --> 00:22:21,624 Speaker 2: for Channing Tatum, and then they almost made the movie together, 504 00:22:21,664 --> 00:22:22,624 Speaker 2: like she did the Bulk with the World. 505 00:22:22,664 --> 00:22:25,144 Speaker 1: And do you remember that like really lovey dovey post 506 00:22:25,224 --> 00:22:27,864 Speaker 1: he posted with the two of them, like in a selfie. 507 00:22:28,064 --> 00:22:30,304 Speaker 1: I think they were like in bed or something. 508 00:22:30,504 --> 00:22:32,664 Speaker 2: And it was just posted photos of her sleeping, like 509 00:22:32,744 --> 00:22:35,584 Speaker 2: literally a month before they broke up. And also I 510 00:22:35,584 --> 00:22:37,744 Speaker 2: think he became cool, just like obviously the way they 511 00:22:37,744 --> 00:22:39,184 Speaker 2: were pictured in the fact that he was with her, 512 00:22:39,264 --> 00:22:41,384 Speaker 2: but she would just talk about how creative he was 513 00:22:41,424 --> 00:22:43,184 Speaker 2: and how clever he was, and everyone began to see 514 00:22:43,224 --> 00:22:46,224 Speaker 2: him in a different ways, this cool artistic guy instead 515 00:22:46,224 --> 00:22:46,744 Speaker 2: of a himbo. 516 00:22:46,904 --> 00:22:48,784 Speaker 3: And now I feel like he's just regressed straight back 517 00:22:48,824 --> 00:22:49,624 Speaker 3: to every. 518 00:22:49,384 --> 00:22:52,104 Speaker 1: Minute they broke up. It's like the spell Living, the 519 00:22:52,264 --> 00:22:54,464 Speaker 1: enchantment of Channing Tatum lifted. 520 00:22:54,784 --> 00:22:55,504 Speaker 3: It's like when. 521 00:22:56,904 --> 00:22:57,784 Speaker 1: Magic Mike again. 522 00:22:58,624 --> 00:23:00,824 Speaker 2: It's like when Jennifer Lopez and Ben Affleck broke up 523 00:23:00,864 --> 00:23:02,544 Speaker 2: and the Phoenix tattoo grew back on her. 524 00:23:03,904 --> 00:23:04,184 Speaker 1: It's like. 525 00:23:05,744 --> 00:23:08,584 Speaker 3: Son Channing dating Twody just came straight back up. 526 00:23:09,464 --> 00:23:12,504 Speaker 1: I also just have do we have to consider Lisa 527 00:23:12,504 --> 00:23:13,984 Speaker 1: Bennet's situation. 528 00:23:14,264 --> 00:23:16,424 Speaker 3: I feel like she's over this whole well, I'm just scituation. 529 00:23:16,584 --> 00:23:23,064 Speaker 1: Can you imagine your ex husband finding love through your 530 00:23:23,224 --> 00:23:26,824 Speaker 1: daughter's movie. That's too much. That's too much, I know, 531 00:23:26,944 --> 00:23:29,104 Speaker 1: but I'm drawing the line they need to stop. 532 00:23:29,184 --> 00:23:31,064 Speaker 2: It's hard to know what she would think, because Lisa 533 00:23:31,064 --> 00:23:34,544 Speaker 2: Bennet is still the ultimate like Hollywood cool girl, Like 534 00:23:34,624 --> 00:23:36,824 Speaker 2: she was everyone's you know, maybe she should get back 535 00:23:36,864 --> 00:23:37,264 Speaker 2: with Lenny. 536 00:23:37,544 --> 00:23:37,824 Speaker 3: I don't know. 537 00:23:37,864 --> 00:23:39,424 Speaker 2: I think she's probably moved on from that well, but 538 00:23:39,464 --> 00:23:42,624 Speaker 2: she was everyone's ultimate, like men crushed on her, girls 539 00:23:42,624 --> 00:23:44,584 Speaker 2: wanted to be her. When she first fell on fame 540 00:23:44,704 --> 00:23:47,464 Speaker 2: like forty years ago, and then when she was learning Kravat, 541 00:23:47,584 --> 00:23:49,784 Speaker 2: she was sort of seen as like equal coolness to him, 542 00:23:50,104 --> 00:23:52,464 Speaker 2: and then with Jason Mamula, people were so obsessed with 543 00:23:52,504 --> 00:23:54,624 Speaker 2: them and Zolli. Kravat still says that every time she 544 00:23:54,664 --> 00:23:56,344 Speaker 2: meets people, they're like, I love your mom. She's the 545 00:23:56,384 --> 00:23:58,624 Speaker 2: coolest person ever, and she's like, yeah, I know, she 546 00:23:58,664 --> 00:24:02,304 Speaker 2: really is. So I feel like she's probably just above 547 00:24:02,824 --> 00:24:04,664 Speaker 2: all of this stuff that's happening, like she's in a 548 00:24:04,704 --> 00:24:05,664 Speaker 2: different realm. 549 00:24:05,544 --> 00:24:07,664 Speaker 1: Oh okay, anyway anymore? 550 00:24:07,944 --> 00:24:10,584 Speaker 2: Oh, yes, one more siding over the weekend. I've only 551 00:24:10,584 --> 00:24:13,384 Speaker 2: seen a few photos, but obviously people went crazy over this, 552 00:24:13,984 --> 00:24:18,104 Speaker 2: and it's Andrew Garfield potentially dating Monica Barbarro, who was 553 00:24:18,184 --> 00:24:19,504 Speaker 2: the star of the movie that I. 554 00:24:19,464 --> 00:24:22,624 Speaker 3: Can never remember say it, say it a complete yes, 555 00:24:22,864 --> 00:24:23,264 Speaker 3: I had to. 556 00:24:23,424 --> 00:24:25,024 Speaker 1: I got to see you going with your gut and 557 00:24:25,024 --> 00:24:27,024 Speaker 1: I was like, fight the gun, fight, the gutting seat. 558 00:24:27,104 --> 00:24:29,264 Speaker 2: Emily's referring to the fact that every time we talk 559 00:24:29,264 --> 00:24:31,864 Speaker 2: about the Bob Dylan movie that's nominated for all the Oscars, 560 00:24:32,224 --> 00:24:35,144 Speaker 2: I call it a great unknown instead of a complete unknown. 561 00:24:35,144 --> 00:24:35,904 Speaker 3: But we're getting there. 562 00:24:36,064 --> 00:24:38,384 Speaker 1: A great unknown also is quite catchy. I see why 563 00:24:38,424 --> 00:24:38,744 Speaker 1: you go there. 564 00:24:38,824 --> 00:24:40,504 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great name for a movie, just not 565 00:24:40,544 --> 00:24:40,984 Speaker 3: the name of this. 566 00:24:40,984 --> 00:24:43,224 Speaker 1: We haven't found the exact ties or why she keeps 567 00:24:43,304 --> 00:24:45,944 Speaker 1: moving towards the word grade, but I'm feeling close to it. 568 00:24:46,104 --> 00:24:49,984 Speaker 2: So, Monica Barbara and Andrew Garfield were pictured at a 569 00:24:50,024 --> 00:24:52,504 Speaker 2: performance together over the weekend. There's no pictures of them 570 00:24:52,544 --> 00:24:54,624 Speaker 2: that I could see anyway, like kissing, holding hands, but 571 00:24:54,784 --> 00:24:58,024 Speaker 2: just talking very closely heads together, pictures of them leaving 572 00:24:58,024 --> 00:25:00,664 Speaker 2: the venue, and people have gone crazy for a few 573 00:25:00,664 --> 00:25:04,024 Speaker 2: different reasons, obviously, like Monica's been an actress for a 574 00:25:04,024 --> 00:25:06,424 Speaker 2: long time in TV, and then she was in Top 575 00:25:06,464 --> 00:25:08,144 Speaker 2: Guarden Maverick and that was kind of like a big 576 00:25:08,184 --> 00:25:11,224 Speaker 2: breakout role for her for Blockbusters, and then playing Joan 577 00:25:11,264 --> 00:25:14,544 Speaker 2: Biaz in the Bob Dylan movie is her first Oscar nomination. 578 00:25:15,024 --> 00:25:18,544 Speaker 2: And then everyone's always been so invested in Andrew Garfield's 579 00:25:18,624 --> 00:25:21,384 Speaker 2: love life since he broke up with his witch girlfriend, 580 00:25:22,264 --> 00:25:24,424 Speaker 2: or maybe the curses lifted or the curses yet to come, 581 00:25:24,464 --> 00:25:25,904 Speaker 2: because remember we thought she cursed him. 582 00:25:25,984 --> 00:25:27,664 Speaker 1: Yeah, and she had to put a statement out saying 583 00:25:28,024 --> 00:25:30,024 Speaker 1: I didn't, but I could if I wanted to. 584 00:25:31,704 --> 00:25:32,144 Speaker 3: That's right. 585 00:25:32,264 --> 00:25:34,784 Speaker 2: She was, like she had put an official statement saying 586 00:25:34,984 --> 00:25:37,584 Speaker 2: I didn't curse him with a love spell, not because 587 00:25:37,624 --> 00:25:41,944 Speaker 2: I couldn't, because I wouldn't. But anyway, the curse appears 588 00:25:41,944 --> 00:25:44,304 Speaker 2: to be lifted. She was telling the truth and they 589 00:25:44,344 --> 00:25:46,944 Speaker 2: seem to be quite loved up, which is, you know, 590 00:25:47,224 --> 00:25:49,224 Speaker 2: very cute. I think a few things here is that 591 00:25:49,264 --> 00:25:52,224 Speaker 2: people are very invested in Andrew finding love for some reason, 592 00:25:52,304 --> 00:25:55,224 Speaker 2: Like it's very interesting how they've attached themselves to him. 593 00:25:55,224 --> 00:25:56,784 Speaker 2: You know why, because he's like, now, he's in his 594 00:25:56,864 --> 00:25:59,224 Speaker 2: mid forties and like, oh, he should settle down. Whereas 595 00:25:59,264 --> 00:26:00,864 Speaker 2: if it was a woman in Hollywood and she was like, 596 00:26:01,144 --> 00:26:03,904 Speaker 2: had just turned thirty. That's the treatment he's getting now. 597 00:26:04,304 --> 00:26:06,544 Speaker 2: But the other thing that people are getting all riled 598 00:26:06,624 --> 00:26:09,624 Speaker 2: up about is that people are mourning now the fact 599 00:26:09,624 --> 00:26:12,864 Speaker 2: that he's not in relationship with Chicken Shop Date host 600 00:26:12,944 --> 00:26:13,944 Speaker 2: Amelia de Moldenberg. 601 00:26:14,064 --> 00:26:14,704 Speaker 1: People are weird. 602 00:26:15,024 --> 00:26:16,544 Speaker 3: That was a bit they weren't actually going. 603 00:26:17,184 --> 00:26:22,024 Speaker 1: You're genuinely upset over this non relationship is insane. I 604 00:26:22,024 --> 00:26:24,384 Speaker 1: think it's because inwards, you know, like this is time 605 00:26:24,424 --> 00:26:26,504 Speaker 1: where you really have to consider, like, this is not 606 00:26:26,544 --> 00:26:29,144 Speaker 1: my stress to take on. It's none of ours stresses. 607 00:26:28,744 --> 00:26:30,504 Speaker 3: To take I know, but says us sitting here do 608 00:26:30,544 --> 00:26:31,584 Speaker 3: a pod podcast about it. 609 00:26:31,624 --> 00:26:31,824 Speaker 2: I think. 610 00:26:32,024 --> 00:26:34,944 Speaker 1: I think with the Andrew Garfield thing, he's very like 611 00:26:35,504 --> 00:26:38,824 Speaker 1: ideal boyfriend. Yeah, so everyone kind of wants to see 612 00:26:38,864 --> 00:26:41,424 Speaker 1: him with the everyday girl, right, which is what Amelia 613 00:26:41,464 --> 00:26:42,664 Speaker 1: de Moldeburg stands in for. 614 00:26:42,824 --> 00:26:44,824 Speaker 2: But then when he had his witch, I mean, she 615 00:26:44,904 --> 00:26:46,024 Speaker 2: was other things in a witch and I want to 616 00:26:46,064 --> 00:26:50,104 Speaker 2: keep calling over every day no, no, But because she 617 00:26:50,264 --> 00:26:52,304 Speaker 2: was not a movie stuff, people attacked her for her 618 00:26:52,344 --> 00:26:55,104 Speaker 2: looks doctor Kate Tamas. She's, you know, an author, a 619 00:26:55,184 --> 00:26:58,224 Speaker 2: podcaster and all these amazing things aside from dating Andrew 620 00:26:58,224 --> 00:27:00,584 Speaker 2: Garfield for like a brief moment in time. But she 621 00:27:00,944 --> 00:27:03,264 Speaker 2: went on her own podcast and said that she was 622 00:27:03,304 --> 00:27:06,304 Speaker 2: getting attacked for people saying like, oh, she's so ugly. 623 00:27:06,344 --> 00:27:08,304 Speaker 2: Who does she think she is dating him? And she's like, 624 00:27:08,304 --> 00:27:10,664 Speaker 2: I'm literally just dating a guy who asked me out. Yeah, 625 00:27:10,704 --> 00:27:13,224 Speaker 2: but people don't want to see him with an everyday girl. Well, 626 00:27:13,224 --> 00:27:15,544 Speaker 2: the thing is, I don't think you'd class Amelia is that. 627 00:27:15,864 --> 00:27:16,304 Speaker 3: I don't think. 628 00:27:16,784 --> 00:27:19,744 Speaker 1: I think it's more like because he dated her, it 629 00:27:19,864 --> 00:27:23,144 Speaker 1: felt real, Like it felt like that he would date 630 00:27:23,304 --> 00:27:24,864 Speaker 1: any of us, you know what I mean, Like he 631 00:27:24,864 --> 00:27:26,744 Speaker 1: could date like we're podcast hosts. He can come in 632 00:27:26,744 --> 00:27:29,024 Speaker 1: here any day and be like, I would date you. 633 00:27:29,344 --> 00:27:32,344 Speaker 1: And Amelia de Molderberg was just that cool girl kind 634 00:27:32,384 --> 00:27:34,784 Speaker 1: of step up from that as of like he could 635 00:27:34,864 --> 00:27:37,064 Speaker 1: date someone like her and it will still be fine 636 00:27:37,144 --> 00:27:39,104 Speaker 1: because like he's so down to earth and she's so 637 00:27:39,224 --> 00:27:41,224 Speaker 1: down to earth. But I will say, if you've watched 638 00:27:41,224 --> 00:27:45,144 Speaker 1: her recent interview with Harris Dickinson. He's in a long term, 639 00:27:45,144 --> 00:27:49,064 Speaker 1: committed relationship, same amount of chemistry, the exactly whole job 640 00:27:49,104 --> 00:27:51,984 Speaker 1: is to everyone's like, move over Andrew Garfield, Harris, and 641 00:27:52,024 --> 00:27:56,624 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, people concept of the show's annoying. 642 00:27:56,664 --> 00:27:58,624 Speaker 2: It's because when they had that, when Amelia and Andrew 643 00:27:58,664 --> 00:28:02,304 Speaker 2: had that first red carpet interaction together, that went crazy viral, 644 00:28:02,384 --> 00:28:04,464 Speaker 2: and so many people I know who aren't even invested 645 00:28:04,504 --> 00:28:06,544 Speaker 2: in celebrities that they watched that over and over and 646 00:28:06,584 --> 00:28:08,584 Speaker 2: over again. They couldn't get enough of it. The thing 647 00:28:08,624 --> 00:28:10,944 Speaker 2: also that's not being said here is apparently Amelia de 648 00:28:10,944 --> 00:28:14,264 Speaker 2: Woldenberg has a long term boyfriend, which I would almost believe, 649 00:28:14,264 --> 00:28:15,824 Speaker 2: like I would one hundred percent believe that she has 650 00:28:15,864 --> 00:28:19,224 Speaker 2: a lovely boyfriend that she just keeps hidden because he's 651 00:28:19,304 --> 00:28:22,144 Speaker 2: just like watching this is like, I'm a single girl 652 00:28:22,144 --> 00:28:25,544 Speaker 2: looking for love with these celebrities, and she's very business minded, 653 00:28:25,584 --> 00:28:27,464 Speaker 2: like she's built up Chicken Shop date to be this 654 00:28:27,544 --> 00:28:30,104 Speaker 2: huge thing and she's the mastermind behind that. On the 655 00:28:30,144 --> 00:28:32,384 Speaker 2: other hand, I also think, has she really been keeping 656 00:28:32,384 --> 00:28:34,824 Speaker 2: this guy in hiding for three years? Like the moment 657 00:28:34,864 --> 00:28:37,424 Speaker 2: they stepped outside together, someone would blast that everywhere. 658 00:28:37,504 --> 00:28:39,104 Speaker 1: It would be a fine enough kind of thing. 659 00:28:39,304 --> 00:28:40,184 Speaker 3: Oh, he's just so happy. 660 00:28:40,264 --> 00:28:44,464 Speaker 1: Maybe online relationship. Maybe it's Andrew Garfield and they had 661 00:28:44,504 --> 00:28:47,464 Speaker 1: just been lying this whole time. So these are the 662 00:28:47,504 --> 00:28:49,584 Speaker 1: three men that we're keeping an eye on. 663 00:28:49,784 --> 00:28:50,744 Speaker 3: I love watching you. 664 00:28:50,904 --> 00:28:53,544 Speaker 1: I love it when there's a fresh relationship in Hollywood. 665 00:28:53,584 --> 00:28:54,984 Speaker 1: There's just so much to dissect. 666 00:28:55,304 --> 00:28:57,744 Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for listening to the Spill today. 667 00:28:57,784 --> 00:28:59,624 Speaker 2: And if you're looking for something else to listen to, 668 00:28:59,784 --> 00:29:02,744 Speaker 2: we did a very special episode on Friday. It's one 669 00:29:02,784 --> 00:29:05,104 Speaker 2: that so many of you have been requesting for such 670 00:29:05,144 --> 00:29:08,464 Speaker 2: a long time. We did the six Books to get 671 00:29:08,504 --> 00:29:09,904 Speaker 2: you out of a reading slump. 672 00:29:09,984 --> 00:29:13,144 Speaker 3: Gary Inteed. It was a very intense episode, quite emotional. 673 00:29:13,344 --> 00:29:16,104 Speaker 2: Yeah I cried a little bit, Emily laughed, We got 674 00:29:16,104 --> 00:29:18,704 Speaker 2: excited about each other's books. So that it's Friday's episode, 675 00:29:18,744 --> 00:29:20,424 Speaker 2: pop back in your feet and take a listen. 676 00:29:20,624 --> 00:29:22,744 Speaker 1: The Spell is produced by Kimberly browd As with Sam 677 00:29:22,824 --> 00:29:24,904 Speaker 1: production by Scott Stronnick. And we'll be back here in 678 00:29:24,944 --> 00:29:26,784 Speaker 1: your podcast feed at three pm tomorrow. 679 00:29:26,984 --> 00:29:33,184 Speaker 3: Bye bye.