WEBVTT - Albo’s Kylie Problem & Harry’s Eat Pray Love Moment 0:00:02.880 --> 0:00:05.520 Out loud as Hello, hello, and welcome to Mom and 0:00:05.559 --> 0:00:07.640 me are out loud. It's what women are actually talking 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:11.080 about on Monday, the sixth of July. I'm Holly Wayne, right, 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:16.000 I'm Amelia Lester, and I'm m Vernham. Yes, it's the 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:18.919 Monday after Taylor Swift's wedding. Did you to notice? 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:19.400 Did you? 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:21.599 In case you missed it? I heard something was on, 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:25.240 but I was. I played pickleball actually in the weekend, 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:26.040 so I didn't. 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:26.400 Yeah. 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:28.880 Sorry, that was probably one of the events at one 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:32.680 of the stations inside of Madison Square Garden entertaining. 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:34.760 I wasn't there, which is hurtful. 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:38.680 That's true because our Amelia is mysterious New York. 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:40.920 You do and you do it. 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:41.960 I mean you look fresh. 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:44.479 But then you know, first class will do that to you. 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:48.479 So if you want to know all about the gossip 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:50.680 about Taylor swis wedding, why were there so many people there? 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:54.560 Why was Jalo there? And yet some very was there 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:58.280 and yet some very famous people were not there? Why 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:01.680 all the intense private see and the intense. 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:03.160 Publicity like an interesting combo. 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:06.080 Yeah, a very interesting business. I talk about all that 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:09.280 with Mia on the emergency episode that is already in 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:12.440 your feed. But this show that we're making right now 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:15.640 is a tailor free zone, and I'm sure, well almost 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:20.280 almost free zone. We can't promise entirely, and I'm sure 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:22.360 to sum out loud as that will come as a 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:27.039 little relief. But anyway, on today's show, What's made our Agenda, Amelia. 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:30.039 Look, Olbo's in trouble for his answer to a variant 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:33.760 on the old shag Mary Kill game, and I'm wondering 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:35.679 if it's just time to retire that game once and 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:36.040 for all. 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:40.000 And I'm asking if eighteen is too young to carry 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:43.160 in nation's hopes on your shoulders. Yes, we're talking a 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:45.279 little bit about the soccer roos, but actually it's broader 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:45.520 than that. 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:49.400 It's like when are you properly a grown up? Plus, 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:51.960 there are a new pair of glasses that are going 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:55.000 viral at the moment for all the wrong reasons. But 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:59.560 first m after months of back and forth, which for 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:02.440 some people like myself, felt like he is because we've 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:04.880 been covering it a lot on our Schirreless Gossip episode 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:07.480 too much. Some would say the Scirreless Gossip episodes we 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:10.519 do for subscribers on Tuesdays have been very Harry heavy lately, 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:14.680 very Harry heavy, especially his movements around the world. It 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:19.880 is official though he will be landing in the UK tomorrow. However, 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:21.880 it has been reported that this is going to be 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:25.160 a bit of a pray love episode for him because 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:28.160 he's going alone. He's going Solow. Meghan and the two 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:30.919 kids will not be joining him, which. 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:33.520 Is a backflip because last week he released a statement 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:35.400 from his camp saying that they were going to. 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:38.200 Be and then he's not going and that has had 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:40.920 that statement came out after it was confirmed that they 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:42.880 will not be getting police security. 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:45.720 Are we done with the story now? Do we think? 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:50.080 Are you joking? It doesn't even started. There's a little 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:54.200 loophole in what they've said. So they've said that Meghan 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:57.400 and the children will not be traveling to London, but 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:00.480 some people think that means that other parts the trip 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:03.679 they may still be included. Like we talked on this show, 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:06.359 didn't we Amelia about how they're going to Althorpe. 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:09.440 Yes, Diana's resident's. 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:11.680 Going to take the children, maybe to see Princess Dinna's grave. 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:14.760 That's still on the table. But basically this has been 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:18.360 a big chamouz between the fact that Harry had said 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:20.520 it was going to be the family's first visit back 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:23.000 to the UK in four years, the first time that 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:26.560 King Charles well being King got to meet his grandchildren again, 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:29.359 and there was going to be this big reunion. And 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:31.400 now it seems that definitely not okay. 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:33.040 But here's what I don't get, Holly, and I need 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:37.120 you to explain it to me. They were never guaranteed security. 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:39.320 He said he couldn't take the family to the UK 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:42.960 unless they were granted state security. They were never guaranteed 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:45.000 state security, and in fact, the decision not to give 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:47.840 them state security was I think ten days ago now, 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:51.120 So why did he then say I'm bringing them and 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:52.560 then only to backflip again. 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:54.920 Well, it's interesting because a lot of this is obviously 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:57.120 coming out of leaks from Harry's camp, and there was 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:59.080 some mutterings at the end of last week that the 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:02.400 threat level had been escalated, that there had maybe been 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:06.240 some kind of credible threat against that about Harry and 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:09.000 the family in London, And so it seems they. 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:11.080 Don're not well liked there, are they. 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:14.400 Well, Look, it depends who you listen to. There are 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:16.640 some of the a lot of the media hate Harry 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:19.280 and Meghan for well documented reasons, partly because they keep 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:23.440 suing them, that's part of it. But they are often saying, oh, 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:26.320 they're making up all this stuff, you know, like why 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:28.760 can't they just carry on like normal people. But Harry's 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:30.760 position has always been, well, I'm not a normal person. 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:34.360 I have a very high threat level. So other people say, 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:36.279 why don't you pay for it yourself? And anyway, this 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:40.000 argument has been going on forever, and it seems that 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:43.560 you're right, Amelia, of course that he was never guaranteed security. 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:45.760 In fact, there has been no change to that agreement. 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:50.200 But I think that he had hoped that with King 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:52.760 Charles's olive brown so he would intervene. 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:55.920 Maybe I'm obsessed with one detail about the security. Apparently 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:59.120 one particular sticking point is you know how Charles has 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:01.640 offered them bucking him palace. It's been reported to stay out, 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:05.040 which seems nice, but the famous one. That's the famous one. 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:08.360 But apparently there's an issue about how to get in 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:11.200 and out of the palace if you joint has state security, 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:13.799 which conjured up to me the image of like can 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:15.880 you just get in an uber from heath Throw and 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:18.200 be like bucking In Palace and then like the uber 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:19.960 like drives up to the gates and you're like, no, 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:21.880 it's cool, I'm has Like what happens? 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:24.200 I would have to go up to the gate and 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:26.440 talk to the guard on the front and be like 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:30.120 remember me, and they'd be like, no, I'm royal, but 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:32.960 are you. There's a lot of debate about that. Anyway, 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:35.320 I just have to drop one more royal thing. Did 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:39.400 you all catch Prince William on Travis Kelce's podcast New 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:40.640 High Obsess? 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:44.080 You know I didn't. He didn't catch him there. 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:48.279 I It was really interesting because obviously Travis Kelsey has 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:50.080 a podcast called New Heights. He has it with his brother. 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:52.400 I only ever listened to it when really really famous 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:54.479 people are on it. But it's basically a sports show. 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:57.280 Yeah, so when they talk about sport, you're not into it. 0:05:57.440 --> 0:05:58.760 Well, I'm quite into. 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:01.120 This one because they were talking about the World Cup football. 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:03.279 We've also had a lot of like now it's become 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:05.720 a really big deal podcast, like Brad Pitt's been on it, 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:07.520 a lot of non sports people have been on. 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:10.680 It's competing with the other you know, the celebrities are 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:14.440 up there, just other podcast as Bill exactly. It really is. 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:17.240 So Prince William was on there in the context of 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:19.320 him being president of the FA, which is the British 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:22.680 Football Association, and how tight he is with football, and 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:27.000 it was a very interesting interview because Prince William says 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:32.560 nothing like as is trained to do. Travis Kelcey makes 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:35.120 lots of lovely overtures to him because they met at 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:36.240 the Era's tour. 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:38.840 But they've also met apparently just a few weeks ago. 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:42.840 He William and Kate met with Travis and Taylor when 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:46.240 Travis and Taylor were in London, and I thought that 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:49.960 was very telling because what it means is Taylor and 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:53.360 Travis have picked Wills and Kate over Harry and Meghan. 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:55.680 It's true, and Harry and Meghan were not at the 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:57.640 Wedding of the Century on the weekend, and I'm sure 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:01.040 Megan would have loved that way. Prince William's on there. 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:02.760 I thought it was very interesting because this is a 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:06.840 podcast hosted by two brothers, two very tight brothers, and 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:09.279 William and I mean, so there must have been so 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:14.880 many no go areas because obviously Harry's business exactly. And 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:18.840 then Travis makes quite a lot of comments about meeting 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:22.160 William and the kids at the Eras tour and how 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:25.360 lovely it was to meet Princess Charlotte. And William just 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:30.160 has that perfect super famous person way of like appearing 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:33.000 warm and lovely but saying not one thing, just kind 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:34.520 of like, yeah, it was great. 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:37.640 Didn't you say that? The only fan photo Taylor poster 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:39.120 for the whole Eras tour was. 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:42.880 Of Prince It was of Prince William with Trav and 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:46.440 I think her caption was like hello there, mate, and 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:50.239 like she had so many like famous, famous celebrities attend 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:53.200 the Eras tour in the VIP tent and he was 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:54.640 the only photo she posted. 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:56.160 So she's picked us. 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:58.080 Yeah, but she's always been friends with him, Like there 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:00.280 was a time where they did karaoke together when they 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:00.760 were younger. 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:02.560 She's always been a William gal oh. 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:04.800 I think maybe once upon a time she thought that 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:06.040 might have been her love story. 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:06.200 End. 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:12.400 But the only thing is, as you say, they've definitely 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:14.640 picked aside. At the end of the podcast, Travis is like, 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:16.960 we love you guys, we love the royal family. It 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:21.560 was like very pro rome. We'll be back in a minute. 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:25.680 Anthony Alberizi is the latest man to get in trouble 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:28.520 for playing the game of Kiss Mary Kill, or at 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:31.600 least a variation of it. Let's watch the moment, during 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:34.599 his appearance on the podcast Bush Deep. I did not 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:37.079 know about this podcast until now. It is hosted by 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:40.720 a comedian and actress named Nikki Osborne, who, if you 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:43.120 imagine this, if you're listening, is kind of dressed up 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:47.160 in a sort of like Steve Erwhennie cos play, but 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:51.880 sexy outfit, interviewing Albo at the lodge, and the concept 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:55.640 is that they're drinking together Jag Mary Date, Kylie Minow, 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:57.719 Nicole Kibben or Ronda Birch Moore. 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:00.800 I've just got married on six months in. 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:03.040 Well, if it ghost kicks up, let's just pretend. 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:08.680 Oh Kylie clearly in Mary, Kylie and Shagger and Data all. 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:09.120 Of the above. 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:13.480 All right, it's a triple She's terrific. All right, that's fair. Okay. 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:18.400 The Prime Minister has apologized unequivocally that's his word, not mine, 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:22.760 for his remarks after mp Zli, Steggel and others suggested 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:25.040 he should have just said, look, I'm not playing this game. 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:28.079 They've said it's sexist. He should have refused to play, but. 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:31.400 It reminded me of another man who played this game, 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:33.880 and then it went viral, and that man is Travis Kelcey. 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:36.199 This weekend, this clip was everywhere. This is him in 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:39.920 a twenty sixteen interview with the TV station after Buzz 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:44.800 It's called Kill Mary Kiss Okay, okay, so ready, Taylor Swift, 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:47.280 Ariana Grande, Katy Perry, Damn. 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:48.280 That's messed up. I don't want to. 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:49.040 Kill any of them. 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:51.400 Well, you know, it's just the game. 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:57.719 Arianna, Unfortunately, I love you, but you're gone, and then 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:02.840 Taylor Swift would be the kiss. 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:07.800 Yeah yeah, awkward, incorrect, incorrect choosing. 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:10.880 But what's striking to me in both these clips, and 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:12.880 I'm sure it's evident to you too, is that both 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:15.480 Albo and Kelsey, who I think we can generally agree, 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:19.640 whatever our politics or music preferences, are probably pretty good blokes. 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:23.640 Both of them seem visibly and audibly uncomfortable with being 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:26.520 asked to play this game, which leads me to ask Colly, 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:28.560 is this game irragi will be sexist? 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:29.920 Is it time to ban it? 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:34.439 I quite like it, I mean I don't like it. 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:37.440 I don't like it in its original version, like Kiss 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:39.760 Kill Mary or whatever we used to call it back 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:43.559 in the day, or ruder words, and that anyone being 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:46.520 killed clearly not don't like it, yes, but it is 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:51.319 very revealing. And I have heard so call her Daddy 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:53.480 likes to play this quite a bit. Alex Cooper like that, 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:57.440 and they'll throw it to female celebrities too. Female celebrities 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:00.600 play this game too. There's a classic one with Ryan's 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:05.000 the Three Ryans, Quantum Gosling Reynolds. I mean, that's that's 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:05.679 a good game. 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:06.839 I wouldn't play that game. 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:10.960 But I think the problem what this tells is particularly 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:14.200 an Albo's case, is there is a very fine line 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:18.200 of being I'm a modern dude who understands that going 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:22.280 on podcasts is really important part of my communications strategy. 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:25.640 My team keep telling me that's a good idea. But 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:29.120 podcasts are very risky for politicians and for big name 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:31.520 celebrities because they're often long form. 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:34.240 So in up until. 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:37.240 About five years ago, really politicians we generally see them 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:41.160 in one of two contexts, either quick SoundBite on a 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:44.400 breakfast TV show or a proper in depth interview on 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:47.280 like a seven point thirty, So they're either being interrogated 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:50.600 about politics, or they're being asked to give quick, pithy 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:55.760 opinions and soundbites about their policies our long rambling interviews, 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:58.520 or maybe on a sixty minutes where they've been granted 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:03.240 access to their home and their family. But it's very editedet, yes, 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:05.600 which is great for the same reason I think actually 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:11.040 very revealing podcasts are very intimate. It's very very hard 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:14.800 to fake who you are on a podcast, particularly over time. 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:18.960 And this, remember was a big point of conversation around 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:22.760 Kamala Harris, is that why didn't she do Rogan? Why 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:24.840 didn't she do call her or she did do call 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:27.199 her daddy? Why didn't she do some of those less 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:30.640 friendly pods And they're saying it's very hard to hold 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:31.200 it for all that. 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:34.560 But you just said in the previous segment that William 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:38.640 did an exceptional job of behaving himself and sort of 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:41.640 just talking within the lines on New Height. 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:44.280 He did a long form podcast, so it's possible. 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:47.280 Yes, although it was like thirty minutes max, But yes, 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:51.160 it was possible, but very boring. There's a reason why 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:54.200 the only bit of that interview that's going viral is 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:58.680 the introduction ye that Jason Kelsey gave him because there 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:01.559 is nothing else that he said. And the problem is 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:03.720 is every podcaster wants the viral clip. 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:04.640 Yeah, so. 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:09.520 Albo knows he's going on a comedy show, he knows 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:10.959 probably he's going to be asked this. 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:14.240 Yeah, the podcast is called bush Deep exactly, and Nick 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:16.000 even says, we ask all of our guests this. 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:17.520 So the fact that he. 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:21.240 What would end if he'd have said, because I agree 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:24.319 like he should have said no, Zali Stegele's right about that. 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:28.199 I don't think his answer was particularly offensive or wrong. 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:30.520 He was trying to get out of there and just say, 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:33.640 like kylie all the things. How do you think he 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:35.480 would have it would have gone down if he'd have 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:37.440 just said I absolutely refused to answer that. 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:40.960 I think he could have literally just said I respect 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:42.400 all three and. 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:43.720 I wish them all the best. 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:47.679 But that's what I would expect from a prime minister. 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:50.320 I think this is a game that can only be 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:52.920 played by normies, and it can only be played by 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:55.640 normies in relation to celebrities. So you could only do 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:57.440 the Ryans on the road. 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:00.959 We can't do people can't have a celebrit pretty playing it. 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:03.080 No, you can't have a celebrity playing it because they're 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:06.439 too even. That's why when Travis played it the first time, 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:08.720 when this interview first went viral, it was fine because 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:09.560 he wasn't there yet. 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:12.080 Now it's not fine. I can't play that game now. 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:14.600 At that time, he had no idea of what his 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:15.400 life would. 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:18.080 Be exackly where it's like I once was asked in 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:21.320 a truth or their game with friends to do a 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:24.320 shag Mary kill with people in the room. 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:25.920 You can't do that. 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:29.400 So when we were on tour last year and I 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:31.480 did a Q and A with the host. 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:34.120 I haven't forgotten about. 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:35.520 I think we occasionally. 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:37.720 So the idea was the audience would ask questions that 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:40.640 I would put to you the OG hosts about loud 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:43.720 and occasionally I think we would get an audience question 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:47.000 suggesting that we play this game. And I tried it 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:49.720 a couple of times on you, but it's it did 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:52.560 feel a bit gross. It just it just felt a 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:56.280 little bit like kind of old fashioned or anachronistic to 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:59.040 be making. Even given that you were women and we 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:01.600 were playing it heteronormal of Lisa we were discussing then. 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:04.160 It still felt a little old fashioned. 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:07.080 There's no question that it's objectifying and all those things, 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:11.400 but it is revealing. Kim Kardashian played in twenty nineteen 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:14.800 and she was asked which she would She was given 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:18.800 Barack Obama, Vladimir Putin, and Donald Trump. 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:21.800 Oh that's just see, this game is not actually a 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:24.640 game if you're like putting like not people who were 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:26.320 evenly matched together. 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:28.520 Do you want to know how she watched? How she chose? 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:32.160 Quite surprising? Please, she said she'd marry Barack Obama. That 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:36.160 is not surprising. She said she would kiss Vladimir Putin. 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:38.360 I would too, and she would kill. 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:43.560 The only thing I'd worry about is if Vladimir Putin 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:46.120 had laced his lips with some kind of poison, because 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:47.760 that seems like the sort of thing he would do. 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:51.800 But kiss Donald Trump, I'd much from the kids, Vladimir Putin, 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:52.400 Are you kidding? 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:54.760 Would you not see? 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:57.520 I respect all three. 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:02.320 I wish I'm all the what's interesting it Slate had 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:05.160 this big funny debate on their site about the sort 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:08.920 of nuances of this game, and they had two real 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:11.400 like kind of sticking points that they could not agree on. 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:14.320 One is whether the marriage and the game is celibate, Like, 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:16.560 is the point that you're trying to decide who you 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:20.160 want to be friends with. And the other one was 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:22.520 whether once you kiss the person you select, you never 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:24.720 see them again or could you just be in a 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:27.400 casual kissing relationship forever. 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:30.840 Well, because the kiss has been changed, this is an 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:33.120 issue with modifications, yeah, and the original because. 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:34.920 Kiss and shag are very different. 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:37.760 And it has and I think the swapping the shag 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:39.480 for kiss and all those things and getting rid of 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:41.600 the kill, which obviously is a good thing, but like 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:45.120 it's fangs de fanged the whole process. 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.840 I feel like keeping the kill in like makes us 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:51.720 remember that it is a fun, silly game and if 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:54.440 you try to make exerience, Like with the elbow question, 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:57.720 it was shaggy, very date. Yeah, and then we thought 0:16:57.840 --> 0:16:59.480 Albot thought I was getting away. I don't have to 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:01.280 kill anyone, but you're still shaggy. 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:01.640 Yeah. 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:04.320 Interesting, she actually made it a little bit more fraud. 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:08.080 It's true. Back to my point about how it's hard 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:11.439 to hide on a long form show. Albo or anyone 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:14.359 in Albo's position should not get you know how, like 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:17.359 reality TV contestants, after ten minutes, they forget the cameras 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:19.720 are on and they just start acting like idiots and 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:21.840 their true selves come out. That's also what I do 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:25.200 on this podcast, thank you. That's what That's what long 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:27.359 form interviews are meant to do. Lull you into a 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:29.840 place where you're we're just having a chat. We're just 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:30.440 having a chat. 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:30.960 Now. 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:34.720 Any prime minister, I mean, should of course never be 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:38.320 lulled into that. So he should have had no question. 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:40.560 He should have had an answer prepared for this if 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:42.600 his team knew this game was coming, and the answer 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:43.560 should not have been Kylie. 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:46.720 It's interesting that he even chose to go on this 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:49.359 this type of show because just broadening it out to 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:52.360 like what politicians do in the age of radical authenticity, 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:54.080 that is the era of podcasts. 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:56.199 This show is very rye bald like. 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:59.280 The humor is quite coarse, as you as you detected 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:03.600 from the ties. They do drink as they discuss things, 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:06.480 and she's certainly there were not a lot of questions 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:09.919 on negative gearing or capital gains tax changes. What do 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:13.360 you think is the strategy given that politicians do kind 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:15.760 of get these offers? Now, Holly, do you think he 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:18.040 kind of ered inn even going on a podcast like. 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:21.040 This, Yes, because the problem is is once you're in 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:23.560 that position, you have a lot to lose. Interestingly, in 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:28.359 the last election cycle, both Anthony Albanesi and Peter Dutton, 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:32.280 who was the opposition candidate last election, I'm sure we've 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:34.440 all forgotten that because everything's happened so quickly. We'll, like 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:36.879 Peter what both came in and sat down with Kate 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:40.080 Langbrook for a long form No Filter interview. Now, the 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:42.600 premise of No Filter is that they're not going to 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:45.399 be grilled about capital gains tax. That's not what it's about. 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:47.960 It's more of a conversation about your life and your 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:50.160 influences and you're, you know, trying to get a little 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:53.679 bit under the skin. And interestingly, everyone said that Dutton 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:56.679 was more relaxed than Albo and the albow was a 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:59.720 little more that sort of wooden and pulled together in 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:02.320 his conversation. And people were a bit surprised by that 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:05.360 because Dutton in particular had a reputation at that time 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:08.639 as being hard man. You know, you might imagine that 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:10.240 he wouldn't be that relaxed in a one on one 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:12.399