Speaker 1: Out loud as Hello, hello, and welcome to Mom and
Speaker 1: me are out loud. It's what women are actually talking
Speaker 1: about on Monday, the sixth of July. I'm Holly Wayne, right,
Speaker 1: I'm Amelia Lester, and I'm m Vernham. Yes, it's the
Speaker 1: Monday after Taylor Swift's wedding. Did you to notice?
Speaker 2: Did you?
Speaker 3: In case you missed it? I heard something was on,
Speaker 3: but I was. I played pickleball actually in the weekend,
Speaker 3: so I didn't.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sorry, that was probably one of the events at one
Speaker 1: of the stations inside of Madison Square Garden entertaining.
Speaker 2: I wasn't there, which is hurtful.
Speaker 1: That's true because our Amelia is mysterious New York.
Speaker 4: You do and you do it.
Speaker 2: I mean you look fresh.
Speaker 1: But then you know, first class will do that to you.
Speaker 1: So if you want to know all about the gossip
Speaker 1: about Taylor swis wedding, why were there so many people there?
Speaker 1: Why was Jalo there? And yet some very was there
Speaker 1: and yet some very famous people were not there? Why
Speaker 1: all the intense private see and the intense.
Speaker 2: Publicity like an interesting combo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a very interesting business. I talk about all that
Speaker 1: with Mia on the emergency episode that is already in
Speaker 1: your feed. But this show that we're making right now
Speaker 1: is a tailor free zone, and I'm sure, well almost
Speaker 1: almost free zone. We can't promise entirely, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: to sum out loud as that will come as a
Speaker 1: little relief. But anyway, on today's show, What's made our Agenda, Amelia.
Speaker 5: Look, Olbo's in trouble for his answer to a variant
Speaker 5: on the old shag Mary Kill game, and I'm wondering
Speaker 5: if it's just time to retire that game once and
Speaker 5: for all.
Speaker 1: And I'm asking if eighteen is too young to carry
Speaker 1: in nation's hopes on your shoulders. Yes, we're talking a
Speaker 1: little bit about the soccer roos, but actually it's broader
Speaker 1: than that.
Speaker 3: It's like when are you properly a grown up? Plus,
Speaker 3: there are a new pair of glasses that are going
Speaker 3: viral at the moment for all the wrong reasons. But
Speaker 3: first m after months of back and forth, which for
Speaker 3: some people like myself, felt like he is because we've
Speaker 3: been covering it a lot on our Schirreless Gossip episode
Speaker 3: too much. Some would say the Scirreless Gossip episodes we
Speaker 3: do for subscribers on Tuesdays have been very Harry heavy lately,
Speaker 3: very Harry heavy, especially his movements around the world. It
Speaker 3: is official though he will be landing in the UK tomorrow. However,
Speaker 3: it has been reported that this is going to be
Speaker 3: a bit of a pray love episode for him because
Speaker 3: he's going alone. He's going Solow. Meghan and the two
Speaker 3: kids will not be joining him, which.
Speaker 1: Is a backflip because last week he released a statement
Speaker 1: from his camp saying that they were going to.
Speaker 3: Be and then he's not going and that has had
Speaker 3: that statement came out after it was confirmed that they
Speaker 3: will not be getting police security.
Speaker 4: Are we done with the story now? Do we think?
Speaker 1: Are you joking? It doesn't even started. There's a little
Speaker 1: loophole in what they've said. So they've said that Meghan
Speaker 1: and the children will not be traveling to London, but
Speaker 1: some people think that means that other parts the trip
Speaker 1: they may still be included. Like we talked on this show,
Speaker 1: didn't we Amelia about how they're going to Althorpe.
Speaker 2: Yes, Diana's resident's.
Speaker 1: Going to take the children, maybe to see Princess Dinna's grave.
Speaker 1: That's still on the table. But basically this has been
Speaker 1: a big chamouz between the fact that Harry had said
Speaker 1: it was going to be the family's first visit back
Speaker 1: to the UK in four years, the first time that
Speaker 1: King Charles well being King got to meet his grandchildren again,
Speaker 1: and there was going to be this big reunion. And
Speaker 1: now it seems that definitely not okay.
Speaker 5: But here's what I don't get, Holly, and I need
Speaker 5: you to explain it to me. They were never guaranteed security.
Speaker 5: He said he couldn't take the family to the UK
Speaker 5: unless they were granted state security. They were never guaranteed
Speaker 5: state security, and in fact, the decision not to give
Speaker 5: them state security was I think ten days ago now,
Speaker 5: So why did he then say I'm bringing them and
Speaker 5: then only to backflip again.
Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting because a lot of this is obviously
Speaker 1: coming out of leaks from Harry's camp, and there was
Speaker 1: some mutterings at the end of last week that the
Speaker 1: threat level had been escalated, that there had maybe been
Speaker 1: some kind of credible threat against that about Harry and
Speaker 1: the family in London, And so it seems they.
Speaker 4: Don're not well liked there, are they.
Speaker 1: Well, Look, it depends who you listen to. There are
Speaker 1: some of the a lot of the media hate Harry
Speaker 1: and Meghan for well documented reasons, partly because they keep
Speaker 1: suing them, that's part of it. But they are often saying, oh,
Speaker 1: they're making up all this stuff, you know, like why
Speaker 1: can't they just carry on like normal people. But Harry's
Speaker 1: position has always been, well, I'm not a normal person.
Speaker 1: I have a very high threat level. So other people say,
Speaker 1: why don't you pay for it yourself? And anyway, this
Speaker 1: argument has been going on forever, and it seems that
Speaker 1: you're right, Amelia, of course that he was never guaranteed security.
Speaker 1: In fact, there has been no change to that agreement.
Speaker 1: But I think that he had hoped that with King
Speaker 1: Charles's olive brown so he would intervene.
Speaker 5: Maybe I'm obsessed with one detail about the security. Apparently
Speaker 5: one particular sticking point is you know how Charles has
Speaker 5: offered them bucking him palace. It's been reported to stay out,
Speaker 5: which seems nice, but the famous one. That's the famous one.
Speaker 5: But apparently there's an issue about how to get in
Speaker 5: and out of the palace if you joint has state security,
Speaker 5: which conjured up to me the image of like can
Speaker 5: you just get in an uber from heath Throw and
Speaker 5: be like bucking In Palace and then like the uber
Speaker 5: like drives up to the gates and you're like, no,
Speaker 5: it's cool, I'm has Like what happens?
Speaker 1: I would have to go up to the gate and
Speaker 1: talk to the guard on the front and be like
Speaker 1: remember me, and they'd be like, no, I'm royal, but
Speaker 1: are you. There's a lot of debate about that. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I just have to drop one more royal thing. Did
Speaker 1: you all catch Prince William on Travis Kelce's podcast New
Speaker 1: High Obsess?
Speaker 4: You know I didn't. He didn't catch him there.
Speaker 1: I It was really interesting because obviously Travis Kelsey has
Speaker 1: a podcast called New Heights. He has it with his brother.
Speaker 1: I only ever listened to it when really really famous
Speaker 1: people are on it. But it's basically a sports show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so when they talk about sport, you're not into it.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm quite into.
Speaker 1: This one because they were talking about the World Cup football.
Speaker 5: We've also had a lot of like now it's become
Speaker 5: a really big deal podcast, like Brad Pitt's been on it,
Speaker 5: a lot of non sports people have been on.
Speaker 1: It's competing with the other you know, the celebrities are
Speaker 1: up there, just other podcast as Bill exactly. It really is.
Speaker 1: So Prince William was on there in the context of
Speaker 1: him being president of the FA, which is the British
Speaker 1: Football Association, and how tight he is with football, and
Speaker 1: it was a very interesting interview because Prince William says
Speaker 1: nothing like as is trained to do. Travis Kelcey makes
Speaker 1: lots of lovely overtures to him because they met at
Speaker 1: the Era's tour.
Speaker 5: But they've also met apparently just a few weeks ago.
Speaker 5: He William and Kate met with Travis and Taylor when
Speaker 5: Travis and Taylor were in London, and I thought that
Speaker 5: was very telling because what it means is Taylor and
Speaker 5: Travis have picked Wills and Kate over Harry and Meghan.
Speaker 1: It's true, and Harry and Meghan were not at the
Speaker 1: Wedding of the Century on the weekend, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: Megan would have loved that way. Prince William's on there.
Speaker 1: I thought it was very interesting because this is a
Speaker 1: podcast hosted by two brothers, two very tight brothers, and
Speaker 1: William and I mean, so there must have been so
Speaker 1: many no go areas because obviously Harry's business exactly. And
Speaker 1: then Travis makes quite a lot of comments about meeting
Speaker 1: William and the kids at the Eras tour and how
Speaker 1: lovely it was to meet Princess Charlotte. And William just
Speaker 1: has that perfect super famous person way of like appearing
Speaker 1: warm and lovely but saying not one thing, just kind
Speaker 1: of like, yeah, it was great.
Speaker 2: Didn't you say that? The only fan photo Taylor poster
Speaker 2: for the whole Eras tour was.
Speaker 3: Of Prince It was of Prince William with Trav and
Speaker 3: I think her caption was like hello there, mate, and
Speaker 3: like she had so many like famous, famous celebrities attend
Speaker 3: the Eras tour in the VIP tent and he was
Speaker 3: the only photo she posted.
Speaker 2: So she's picked us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but she's always been friends with him, Like there
Speaker 3: was a time where they did karaoke together when they
Speaker 3: were younger.
Speaker 4: She's always been a William gal oh.
Speaker 1: I think maybe once upon a time she thought that
Speaker 1: might have been her love story.
Speaker 6: End.
Speaker 1: But the only thing is, as you say, they've definitely
Speaker 1: picked aside. At the end of the podcast, Travis is like,
Speaker 1: we love you guys, we love the royal family. It
Speaker 1: was like very pro rome. We'll be back in a minute.
Speaker 5: Anthony Alberizi is the latest man to get in trouble
Speaker 5: for playing the game of Kiss Mary Kill, or at
Speaker 5: least a variation of it. Let's watch the moment, during
Speaker 5: his appearance on the podcast Bush Deep. I did not
Speaker 5: know about this podcast until now. It is hosted by
Speaker 5: a comedian and actress named Nikki Osborne, who, if you
Speaker 5: imagine this, if you're listening, is kind of dressed up
Speaker 5: in a sort of like Steve Erwhennie cos play, but
Speaker 5: sexy outfit, interviewing Albo at the lodge, and the concept
Speaker 5: is that they're drinking together Jag Mary Date, Kylie Minow,
Speaker 5: Nicole Kibben or Ronda Birch Moore.
Speaker 2: I've just got married on six months in.
Speaker 1: Well, if it ghost kicks up, let's just pretend.
Speaker 5: Oh Kylie clearly in Mary, Kylie and Shagger and Data all.
Speaker 6: Of the above.
Speaker 2: All right, it's a triple She's terrific. All right, that's fair. Okay.
Speaker 5: The Prime Minister has apologized unequivocally that's his word, not mine,
Speaker 5: for his remarks after mp Zli, Steggel and others suggested
Speaker 5: he should have just said, look, I'm not playing this game.
Speaker 2: They've said it's sexist. He should have refused to play, but.
Speaker 5: It reminded me of another man who played this game,
Speaker 5: and then it went viral, and that man is Travis Kelcey.
Speaker 5: This weekend, this clip was everywhere. This is him in
Speaker 5: a twenty sixteen interview with the TV station after Buzz
Speaker 5: It's called Kill Mary Kiss Okay, okay, so ready, Taylor Swift,
Speaker 5: Ariana Grande, Katy Perry, Damn.
Speaker 6: That's messed up. I don't want to.
Speaker 1: Kill any of them.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's just the game.
Speaker 6: Arianna, Unfortunately, I love you, but you're gone, and then
Speaker 6: Taylor Swift would be the kiss.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, awkward, incorrect, incorrect choosing.
Speaker 5: But what's striking to me in both these clips, and
Speaker 5: I'm sure it's evident to you too, is that both
Speaker 5: Albo and Kelsey, who I think we can generally agree,
Speaker 5: whatever our politics or music preferences, are probably pretty good blokes.
Speaker 5: Both of them seem visibly and audibly uncomfortable with being
Speaker 5: asked to play this game, which leads me to ask Colly,
Speaker 5: is this game irragi will be sexist?
Speaker 2: Is it time to ban it?
Speaker 1: I quite like it, I mean I don't like it.
Speaker 1: I don't like it in its original version, like Kiss
Speaker 1: Kill Mary or whatever we used to call it back
Speaker 1: in the day, or ruder words, and that anyone being
Speaker 1: killed clearly not don't like it, yes, but it is
Speaker 1: very revealing. And I have heard so call her Daddy
Speaker 1: likes to play this quite a bit. Alex Cooper like that,
Speaker 1: and they'll throw it to female celebrities too. Female celebrities
Speaker 1: play this game too. There's a classic one with Ryan's
Speaker 1: the Three Ryans, Quantum Gosling Reynolds. I mean, that's that's
Speaker 1: a good game.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't play that game.
Speaker 1: But I think the problem what this tells is particularly
Speaker 1: an Albo's case, is there is a very fine line
Speaker 1: of being I'm a modern dude who understands that going
Speaker 1: on podcasts is really important part of my communications strategy.
Speaker 1: My team keep telling me that's a good idea. But
Speaker 1: podcasts are very risky for politicians and for big name
Speaker 1: celebrities because they're often long form.
Speaker 4: So in up until.
Speaker 1: About five years ago, really politicians we generally see them
Speaker 1: in one of two contexts, either quick SoundBite on a
Speaker 1: breakfast TV show or a proper in depth interview on
Speaker 1: like a seven point thirty, So they're either being interrogated
Speaker 1: about politics, or they're being asked to give quick, pithy
Speaker 1: opinions and soundbites about their policies our long rambling interviews,
Speaker 1: or maybe on a sixty minutes where they've been granted
Speaker 1: access to their home and their family. But it's very editedet, yes,
Speaker 1: which is great for the same reason I think actually
Speaker 1: very revealing podcasts are very intimate. It's very very hard
Speaker 1: to fake who you are on a podcast, particularly over time.
Speaker 1: And this, remember was a big point of conversation around
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris, is that why didn't she do Rogan? Why
Speaker 1: didn't she do call her or she did do call
Speaker 1: her daddy? Why didn't she do some of those less
Speaker 1: friendly pods And they're saying it's very hard to hold
Speaker 1: it for all that.
Speaker 5: But you just said in the previous segment that William
Speaker 5: did an exceptional job of behaving himself and sort of
Speaker 5: just talking within the lines on New Height.
Speaker 2: He did a long form podcast, so it's possible.
Speaker 1: Yes, although it was like thirty minutes max, But yes,
Speaker 1: it was possible, but very boring. There's a reason why
Speaker 1: the only bit of that interview that's going viral is
Speaker 1: the introduction ye that Jason Kelsey gave him because there
Speaker 1: is nothing else that he said. And the problem is
Speaker 1: is every podcaster wants the viral clip.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so.
Speaker 1: Albo knows he's going on a comedy show, he knows
Speaker 1: probably he's going to be asked this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the podcast is called bush Deep exactly, and Nick
Speaker 3: even says, we ask all of our guests this.
Speaker 4: So the fact that he.
Speaker 1: What would end if he'd have said, because I agree
Speaker 1: like he should have said no, Zali Stegele's right about that.
Speaker 1: I don't think his answer was particularly offensive or wrong.
Speaker 1: He was trying to get out of there and just say,
Speaker 1: like kylie all the things. How do you think he
Speaker 1: would have it would have gone down if he'd have
Speaker 1: just said I absolutely refused to answer that.
Speaker 3: I think he could have literally just said I respect
Speaker 3: all three and.
Speaker 4: I wish them all the best.
Speaker 3: But that's what I would expect from a prime minister.
Speaker 3: I think this is a game that can only be
Speaker 3: played by normies, and it can only be played by
Speaker 3: normies in relation to celebrities. So you could only do
Speaker 3: the Ryans on the road.
Speaker 5: We can't do people can't have a celebrit pretty playing it.
Speaker 3: No, you can't have a celebrity playing it because they're
Speaker 3: too even. That's why when Travis played it the first time,
Speaker 3: when this interview first went viral, it was fine because
Speaker 3: he wasn't there yet.
Speaker 4: Now it's not fine. I can't play that game now.
Speaker 1: At that time, he had no idea of what his
Speaker 1: life would.
Speaker 3: Be exackly where it's like I once was asked in
Speaker 3: a truth or their game with friends to do a
Speaker 3: shag Mary kill with people in the room.
Speaker 4: You can't do that.
Speaker 5: So when we were on tour last year and I
Speaker 5: did a Q and A with the host.
Speaker 4: I haven't forgotten about.
Speaker 2: I think we occasionally.
Speaker 5: So the idea was the audience would ask questions that
Speaker 5: I would put to you the OG hosts about loud
Speaker 5: and occasionally I think we would get an audience question
Speaker 5: suggesting that we play this game. And I tried it
Speaker 5: a couple of times on you, but it's it did
Speaker 5: feel a bit gross. It just it just felt a
Speaker 5: little bit like kind of old fashioned or anachronistic to
Speaker 5: be making. Even given that you were women and we
Speaker 5: were playing it heteronormal of Lisa we were discussing then.
Speaker 2: It still felt a little old fashioned.
Speaker 1: There's no question that it's objectifying and all those things,
Speaker 1: but it is revealing. Kim Kardashian played in twenty nineteen
Speaker 1: and she was asked which she would She was given
Speaker 1: Barack Obama, Vladimir Putin, and Donald Trump.
Speaker 5: Oh that's just see, this game is not actually a
Speaker 5: game if you're like putting like not people who were
Speaker 5: evenly matched together.
Speaker 1: Do you want to know how she watched? How she chose?
Speaker 1: Quite surprising? Please, she said she'd marry Barack Obama. That
Speaker 1: is not surprising. She said she would kiss Vladimir Putin.
Speaker 1: I would too, and she would kill.
Speaker 5: The only thing I'd worry about is if Vladimir Putin
Speaker 5: had laced his lips with some kind of poison, because
Speaker 5: that seems like the sort of thing he would do.
Speaker 5: But kiss Donald Trump, I'd much from the kids, Vladimir Putin,
Speaker 5: Are you kidding?
Speaker 4: Would you not see?
Speaker 1: I respect all three.
Speaker 5: I wish I'm all the what's interesting it Slate had
Speaker 5: this big funny debate on their site about the sort
Speaker 5: of nuances of this game, and they had two real
Speaker 5: like kind of sticking points that they could not agree on.
Speaker 5: One is whether the marriage and the game is celibate, Like,
Speaker 5: is the point that you're trying to decide who you
Speaker 5: want to be friends with. And the other one was
Speaker 5: whether once you kiss the person you select, you never
Speaker 5: see them again or could you just be in a
Speaker 5: casual kissing relationship forever.
Speaker 3: Well, because the kiss has been changed, this is an
Speaker 3: issue with modifications, yeah, and the original because.
Speaker 2: Kiss and shag are very different.
Speaker 1: And it has and I think the swapping the shag
Speaker 1: for kiss and all those things and getting rid of
Speaker 1: the kill, which obviously is a good thing, but like
Speaker 1: it's fangs de fanged the whole process.
Speaker 3: I feel like keeping the kill in like makes us
Speaker 3: remember that it is a fun, silly game and if
Speaker 3: you try to make exerience, Like with the elbow question,
Speaker 3: it was shaggy, very date. Yeah, and then we thought
Speaker 3: Albot thought I was getting away. I don't have to
Speaker 3: kill anyone, but you're still shaggy.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Interesting, she actually made it a little bit more fraud.
Speaker 1: It's true. Back to my point about how it's hard
Speaker 1: to hide on a long form show. Albo or anyone
Speaker 1: in Albo's position should not get you know how, like
Speaker 1: reality TV contestants, after ten minutes, they forget the cameras
Speaker 1: are on and they just start acting like idiots and
Speaker 1: their true selves come out. That's also what I do
Speaker 1: on this podcast, thank you. That's what That's what long
Speaker 1: form interviews are meant to do. Lull you into a
Speaker 1: place where you're we're just having a chat. We're just
Speaker 1: having a chat.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Any prime minister, I mean, should of course never be
Speaker 1: lulled into that. So he should have had no question.
Speaker 1: He should have had an answer prepared for this if
Speaker 1: his team knew this game was coming, and the answer
Speaker 1: should not have been Kylie.
Speaker 5: It's interesting that he even chose to go on this
Speaker 5: this type of show because just broadening it out to
Speaker 5: like what politicians do in the age of radical authenticity,
Speaker 5: that is the era of podcasts.
Speaker 2: This show is very rye bald like.
Speaker 5: The humor is quite coarse, as you as you detected
Speaker 5: from the ties. They do drink as they discuss things,
Speaker 5: and she's certainly there were not a lot of questions
Speaker 5: on negative gearing or capital gains tax changes. What do
Speaker 5: you think is the strategy given that politicians do kind
Speaker 5: of get these offers? Now, Holly, do you think he
Speaker 5: kind of ered inn even going on a podcast like.
Speaker 1: This, Yes, because the problem is is once you're in
Speaker 1: that position, you have a lot to lose. Interestingly, in
Speaker 1: the last election cycle, both Anthony Albanesi and Peter Dutton,
Speaker 1: who was the opposition candidate last election, I'm sure we've
Speaker 1: all forgotten that because everything's happened so quickly. We'll, like
Speaker 1: Peter what both came in and sat down with Kate
Speaker 1: Langbrook for a long form No Filter interview. Now, the
Speaker 1: premise of No Filter is that they're not going to
Speaker 1: be grilled about capital gains tax. That's not what it's about.
Speaker 1: It's more of a conversation about your life and your
Speaker 1: influences and you're, you know, trying to get a little
Speaker 1: bit under the skin. And interestingly, everyone said that Dutton
Speaker 1: was more relaxed than Albo and the albow was a
Speaker 1: little more that sort of wooden and pulled together in
Speaker 1: his conversation. And people were a bit surprised by that
Speaker 1: because Dutton in particular had a reputation at that time
Speaker 1: as being hard man. You know, you might imagine that
Speaker 1: he wouldn't be that relaxed in a one on one
Speaker 1: interview like that. But the thing is is Albo was
Speaker 1: the one who had everything to lose in that situation
Speaker 1: because he was defending his position whereas Dutton was swinging
Speaker 1: for that position. This is the second time that Albow
Speaker 1: has tripped up recently in into a long form interview
Speaker 1: that's supposed to be kind of informal. This one was
Speaker 1: obviously a quick fire around, and then he was on
Speaker 1: stage at a conference in Victoria and again quick fire around.
Speaker 1: He was asked one word to describe and then throw
Speaker 1: in various names. One of them was grace tame. The
Speaker 1: first word out of his mouth was difficult.
Speaker 4: It's like hm.
Speaker 1: And it was supposed to be a kind of throwaway loles,
Speaker 1: but once you're prime minister, there's nothing you can't do
Speaker 1: throwaway in lolls, and I think that it's very easily weaponized.
Speaker 1: It also is quite revealing, and I think that ideally
Speaker 1: as much as all politicians are being given this message.
Speaker 1: And there's something very interesting playing out in Britain about
Speaker 1: this at the moment with the new prime ministerial candidate.
Speaker 1: Everyone says he's so naturally, such a guy, he knows
Speaker 1: how to talk to people, Andy Burnham, and it's like sure,
Speaker 1: but once he's Prime minister change those rules change, And
Speaker 1: really I don't know if there's much upside to being
Speaker 1: on there being asked silly questions about who you're shagging,
Speaker 1: or one would to describe this famous, high profile woman
Speaker 1: like it feels like a trap in a moment. Is
Speaker 1: eighteen years old? Just too young to have the weight
Speaker 1: of the nation on your shoulders?
Speaker 3: So, Mark Zuckerberg, Amelia, you're knowing? Can I say intimately?
Speaker 2: I don't think. Come on, I can't.
Speaker 4: I can't college with it.
Speaker 1: Any out louders who are like suddenly going what Amelia
Speaker 1: and zuck were at college at the same time, and
Speaker 1: he was.
Speaker 5: Launched, and we have an interaction when I was a
Speaker 5: student journalist when I asked to interview him. I'm just
Speaker 5: very excited for the forthcoming Social Network two movie where
Speaker 5: he's played by Jeremy Strong.
Speaker 4: Yes, Jeremy Strong looks so good.
Speaker 5: I was shack married day Jeremy Strong. He would be
Speaker 5: a lot of work, but I think you'd be worth it.
Speaker 1: No, he's the guy from Succession. In case anyone's struggling
Speaker 1: to place in Kendall met doctor, Yes Kendall No, no, no, anyway,
Speaker 1: I wonder if you'll be in it. Oh sorry, anyway, Sorry,
Speaker 1: this isn't about Amelia's love story with Jeremy Stohn slash Mark.
Speaker 1: It is about Mark Zuckerberg's meta glasses. If you think
Speaker 1: this is an old story, it kind of mean is
Speaker 1: because he launched meta glasses, which are glasses that you
Speaker 1: wear on your face like normal reading glasses, except they're
Speaker 1: smart glasses. So they have a little camera on the
Speaker 1: side so you can film and take photos with your glasses.
Speaker 4: There's little speakers.
Speaker 5: Can I just say, let's file with smart glasses under
Speaker 5: the things that don't need to be smart and also
Speaker 5: in that category's washing machines. I never asked for a
Speaker 5: smart washing machine, and I never asked for smart glasses.
Speaker 1: About fridges, some people know I don't.
Speaker 2: Want anything smart except me.
Speaker 3: I don't need to be knocking on my fridge to
Speaker 3: see what's in there. I can just open the door.
Speaker 3: So these smart glasses have now come gone viral again
Speaker 3: because they've roped in one Kylie Jenner. So Kylie Jenna
Speaker 3: has launched her own design with metaglasses.
Speaker 1: They do it look really good?
Speaker 4: I have to say it.
Speaker 2: Do you like them?
Speaker 1: I love I think they've like the first round of
Speaker 1: release of this everyone went so daggy, But now they've
Speaker 1: got proper designers on board.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they look very pretty.
Speaker 5: The first ones were ray bands and Oakleys, but these
Speaker 5: ones are stepped up fashion worse.
Speaker 3: Yeah, stepped up fashion wise. They look very fancy minus
Speaker 3: the surveillance aspect of them. So Kylie partnered with them
Speaker 3: to promote her own line of the glasses. She also
Speaker 3: designed them herself, and with that came a huge, huge campaign.
Speaker 3: They did a relaunch of metaglasses and they also did
Speaker 3: an array of gifting to some top tier influences.
Speaker 5: I heard that the Kylie glasses. I heard this because,
Speaker 5: like I kept reading about them. They have a single
Speaker 5: rhinestone on the lens to denote what it's like to
Speaker 5: get the paparazzi always taking photos of Oh.
Speaker 3: I need that for what and the smart glasses do
Speaker 3: m So the smart glasses thank you so much for asking.
Speaker 3: So what they do is they have a little camera
Speaker 3: on the side so you can take photos and videos
Speaker 3: of like everyone without their consent, which is really nice
Speaker 3: because sometimes it's awkward to ask for consent, so you.
Speaker 4: Can do that.
Speaker 5: But to be phanom meta, they say that they have
Speaker 5: designed them so that people will know if you are
Speaker 5: taking a photo or a video.
Speaker 1: Correct, there's a red light, So apparently there's a light
Speaker 1: that goes on if you're filming, But apparently it's relatively
Speaker 1: easy to disable if you have if your intentions are
Speaker 1: not pure, like most ordinary people probably wouldn't bother disabling that.
Speaker 1: But if you're specifically wearing the glasses too, I don't know,
Speaker 1: film Taylor Swift's wedding. When you're you can apparently quite
Speaker 1: easily disable the light.
Speaker 3: You can also get like sometimes your glasses can become
Speaker 3: a screen, so if you're lost, you can get Google
Speaker 3: Maps up on your glasses.
Speaker 1: Can you put the maps? Can you put them on
Speaker 1: in a meeting? Pretend you're paying attention but really be
Speaker 1: watching the England game?
Speaker 4: I hope so.
Speaker 5: But then I think the only person who can get
Speaker 5: away with wearing glasses, sunglasses and a meeting is Anna
Speaker 5: Winterur that's fair, fair.
Speaker 1: Point anyway, I digress.
Speaker 3: Since these glasses have gone viral and term has re emerged.
Speaker 3: And this term first came out about in twenty fourteen
Speaker 3: when Google introduced Google Glogle glass and the term used
Speaker 3: to describe people who wear these smart glasses and they're
Speaker 3: called glassholes.
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised there was a big ding dong in
Speaker 1: England because there's a sort of disgraced comedian he used
Speaker 1: to be a very big deal in England called Michael
Speaker 1: Barrymore and now he's like, he's huge on TikTok for
Speaker 1: doing really simple things with So he puts his glasses on,
Speaker 1: he goes into a shop and he films all his
Speaker 1: interactions with say the shop assistance, the checkout person, you know,
Speaker 1: anyone who's had puts them in sort of slightly comedic
Speaker 1: situations without their consent, uploads it to TikTok.
Speaker 4: They love millions of followers.
Speaker 1: Well, the Shop Workers Union in Britain has and actually
Speaker 1: in Australia too, are launching a sort of a claim
Speaker 1: to make them illegal, well not illegal, but to make
Speaker 1: them what's the word, well, basically banned from shops, that
Speaker 1: you can't wear them in shops and various other smart
Speaker 1: wearable technologies too, because it's an invasion of privacy all
Speaker 1: of those things, but which you could totally see why.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's also been reported that it has been used
Speaker 3: by like immigration officers and agents to track people. So
Speaker 3: it has become like a huge deal, especially in the
Speaker 3: US of people pushing back at this it's been so
Speaker 3: like pushed back. There have been influencers who have been
Speaker 3: deleting their posts of them wearing.
Speaker 2: Glass and that's a big deal, for.
Speaker 3: A huge deal, everyone's saying, it's like we have to
Speaker 3: do to the meta glasses what we did for fur
Speaker 3: back in the day.
Speaker 4: And make them cool.
Speaker 1: That's so interesting because you don't want to bully people,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, if you make something so daggy,
Speaker 1: so unimpressive that it shames you, sometimes shame can be
Speaker 1: a useful tool because this is also used obviously by
Speaker 1: people doing those awful pickup videos on the internet. The
Speaker 1: Manisphere guy's going up to women wearing filming them without
Speaker 1: their consent.
Speaker 5: I think what you're saying is it's going to come
Speaker 5: down to whether or not they're perceived as cool. And
Speaker 5: it's interesting that Mark Zuckerberg tried to preempt this. Remember
Speaker 5: that earlier this year he was seen, he went to
Speaker 5: the mcgala, he was seen front row at the prior
Speaker 5: to show in Milan. He was trying to get ahead
Speaker 5: of this and say I'm a fashion person and himself.
Speaker 5: Now he's not wearing it at the moment. People track
Speaker 5: the chain as an indication of where Mark Zuckerberg is
Speaker 5: at and right now he's chainless.
Speaker 1: Someone who wasn't at Taylor's wedding because he was on
Speaker 1: my TV. He was eighteen year old Lucas Herrington. Now
Speaker 1: he is the youngest soccer U to ever be in
Speaker 1: the team for a World Cup. And on Saturday morning,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're watching it, it was an
Speaker 1: ungodly hour. The soccer US were playing knockout game against
Speaker 1: Egypt in Egypt in Dallas. They got to extra time
Speaker 1: at one to one and they went to penalties. Yes,
Speaker 1: I am the sports correspondent now that both sisters have gone.
Speaker 3: Is it hard for you to say soccer instead of football?
Speaker 1: I don't like it, but I'll do it. I know
Speaker 1: my place.
Speaker 4: So it went to penalties.
Speaker 1: Everybody who knows anything about soccer slash football. This was
Speaker 1: also a point of contention on the Travis Kelcey podcast
Speaker 1: with Prince William. They kept saying soccer football to him
Speaker 1: and he kept saying, I don't think so right now?
Speaker 1: We call it football anyway. Penalties. Theres anyone who knows
Speaker 1: a brutal it's the best of five one on one.
Speaker 1: You and the goalie and nobody wants to do it.
Speaker 1: But World Cups are decided on them all the time
Speaker 1: because you play in ninety minutes, then you play another
Speaker 1: twenty and then if you haven't got a result, it's penalties.
Speaker 1: Top teams train obviously heavily on penalties. They'll agree who's
Speaker 1: going to take them beforehand. It's a very professional setup.
Speaker 1: It's not so much like the old days where people
Speaker 1: just sort of put their hands up anyway, turn my
Speaker 1: turn anyway. Australia, to be fair, did not start the
Speaker 1: penalties well. They swapped out their goalie when it was
Speaker 1: clear that was about to happen, and then Harry Soutar,
Speaker 1: who is known as Captain Cragus, missed the first one.
Speaker 1: Egypt scored theirs, and then our fourth take up was
Speaker 1: Lucas Herrington. He's from Queensland, he was playing in Brisbane,
Speaker 1: now plays in America and he's really good.
Speaker 4: But he got up.
Speaker 1: And he missed and we were out.
Speaker 4: Immediately. People were mad.
Speaker 1: So Socceru's great Robbie Slader said, well, he wrote for
Speaker 1: Code Sports the minute Lucas Herrington stepped up for the
Speaker 1: penalty kick, I felt angry. The whole country should be
Speaker 1: this should never have been put at his feet with
Speaker 1: Australia and a penalty shootout for World Cup survivor. Surely
Speaker 1: someone in the soccer's brain trust should have said, do
Speaker 1: we really want to hang this on an eighteen year
Speaker 1: old I have seen and then lots of people obviously
Speaker 1: came out and defending Lucas and Slater wasn't criticizing Lucas,
Speaker 1: who's criticizing the team decision to do it. I also
Speaker 1: anecdotally saw a lot of women on the weekend, particularly moms,
Speaker 1: particularly moms with a bit of a protective vibe, saying
Speaker 1: this was unreasonable. They should never have let him do that,
Speaker 1: particularly not so late in the penalty lineup, like maybe
Speaker 1: he could have taken the second one or something where
Speaker 1: it's not going to be your kick that sends you home.
Speaker 1: It's really unfair for a young man. But my vibe
Speaker 1: is this is what professional sport is, and if you're
Speaker 1: old enough to play on the team, aren't you old
Speaker 1: enough to take that pressure? But is eighteen too young?
Speaker 4: M I don't think eighteen is too young.
Speaker 3: I feel like if you're good enough to be on
Speaker 3: that team, like you said, whole they would have had
Speaker 3: that decision made before they even started playing, before they
Speaker 3: even before the World Cup even was on, and I
Speaker 3: feel so bad for Lucas, Like, yes, he probably has
Speaker 3: Year twelve formal coming up, He's got other stresses going on,
Speaker 3: and I think he would have just felt so proud
Speaker 3: to represent his country. And to be fair, there have
Speaker 3: been a lot of commentators saying that they were really
Speaker 3: proud and it was a very brave and courageous thing
Speaker 3: for him to do.
Speaker 2: Well, it was.
Speaker 1: It was a very brave and courageous thing for him
Speaker 1: to do and the potential consequences are heavy.
Speaker 3: The consequences are heavy, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: he was the best player to do that kick in
Speaker 3: that moment, and I think age is like it's regardless
Speaker 3: of his age, he was just the best person to
Speaker 3: do it. And the conversation would be so different if
Speaker 3: he got that goal.
Speaker 4: We all would have been like, our eighteen.
Speaker 3: Year old superstar, look at him, go young people can
Speaker 3: do anything.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 5: We actually know it would be different because earlier on
Speaker 5: in this World Cup he became the youngest ever Australian
Speaker 5: to score in a World when he scored against Paraguay,
Speaker 5: which was part of why Australia got to where it
Speaker 5: got to and advanced in the game.
Speaker 2: So you can't have it both ways.
Speaker 6: I know.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately in football everyone always wants it both ways, right.
Speaker 1: They're like, if you get on and you do grade,
Speaker 1: it was like that was a great decision and if
Speaker 1: you don't it was the end of the world. Now
Speaker 1: I feel in a way we're getting better at not
Speaker 1: piling quite so much pressure and vitriol on players who
Speaker 1: messed these things up. Messed these things up is a
Speaker 1: terrible thing to say. Harrington messed nothing up. But who
Speaker 1: don't get their penalties back. In twenty twenty in the Euros,
Speaker 1: England were playing in the final and it went to
Speaker 1: penalty shootout because of course it always does. And the
Speaker 1: three players who whose penalties were either saved or they
Speaker 1: missed were all black players, Black English players, and they
Speaker 1: suffered such relentless racist abuse as a result of bit
Speaker 1: of their penalties not going in that you know, FIFA
Speaker 1: had to step in. The captain Harry Kane made the
Speaker 1: point to all the fans, we don't want you as fans.
Speaker 1: If you're going to behave like you can go and
Speaker 1: go somewhere else, and those young men had to have protection.
Speaker 1: There was all this drama around it, and it was
Speaker 1: just I always just want to say to people, what
Speaker 1: do you think it's like to stand up there for
Speaker 1: the goalie?
Speaker 4: And they'd be like, oh, I could school that.
Speaker 2: I could school that.
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't think you could, guys, I don't
Speaker 1: think you could.
Speaker 3: I've also noticed that the fan culture towards men's sport
Speaker 3: is so different towards women's sport.
Speaker 4: It like this whole thing.
Speaker 3: And all the people with all the opinion pieces about
Speaker 3: who should have done the kick, who should have been
Speaker 3: the goalie, It's like it comes from like a place
Speaker 3: of anger and disappointment. And I remember when the Matilda's
Speaker 3: were playing and when we hosted the World Cup in Australia,
Speaker 3: when the Matilda's got left out of the game.
Speaker 1: There was a penalty shootout, a penalty shootout which not
Speaker 1: for the final but for the semi that was like
Speaker 1: back of the hiding behind the couch.
Speaker 3: And we won that. But even when we and I
Speaker 3: remember watching the game against England, I went with my family.
Speaker 4: And it was so so sad.
Speaker 3: But the amount, the amount of proudness we had towards
Speaker 3: those young women. Was just amazing and I've never seen
Speaker 3: anything like it, and I don't get that same feeling
Speaker 3: with men's sport when their team gets kicked out.
Speaker 5: Well, I want to say that I'm really proud of him.
Speaker 5: I mean, eighteen is really young. And I read an
Speaker 5: interesting thing which is that he was actually able to
Speaker 5: represent four countries in this Cup, Australia, Finland, Germany and Zimbabwe.
Speaker 5: And he has chosen to represent Australia because it's the
Speaker 5: country of his birth and so we would never have
Speaker 5: even gotten to where we got to in this World
Speaker 5: Cup had he not kicked that goal against Paraguay.
Speaker 1: So I want to ask about eighteen year olds. Do
Speaker 1: you think, because you're an adult, he plays professional sport
Speaker 1: for a professional club in America, this sort of outpouring
Speaker 1: of almost maternal protection towards him. Do you think that
Speaker 1: we don't think that eighteen is old enough to be
Speaker 1: able to handle pressure?
Speaker 2: Question?
Speaker 3: Nah, I think they can handle pressure. He didn't have
Speaker 3: like the best people doing sports, sport would be so boring.
Speaker 4: Currently in the F one grid.
Speaker 3: The rainy chair, we go right now, Kimmi Antonelli is
Speaker 3: scoring the most points out of everyone and he is
Speaker 3: the young one of the youngest on the grid.
Speaker 4: He started when he was seventeen.
Speaker 5: I think part of why we want to watch sport
Speaker 5: is because it's really high pressure.
Speaker 2: There are really high stakes.
Speaker 5: Look, when he kicked that goal against Paraguay, people were
Speaker 5: predicting that he was going to move from the American
Speaker 5: side to a Spanish side where he was going to
Speaker 5: get between twenty three million and thirty million dollars.
Speaker 2: So look, I think he'll be fine.
Speaker 5: Professional sports is high pressure, but that's part of what
Speaker 5: the money's for.
Speaker 2: As John Drapel would say.
Speaker 4: It's true.
Speaker 1: And also there was a time in British football where
Speaker 1: nobody really wanted to play for England because they saw
Speaker 1: what happened. If you stuffed up. If you've watched the
Speaker 1: Beckham documentary, you would all know. There was a moment
Speaker 1: in the World Cup back in the nineties where David
Speaker 1: Beckham got sent off and allegedly lost us that that
Speaker 1: World Cup, and there were effigies of him hanging outside pubs.
Speaker 1: He was berated and harassed for a full year. Every
Speaker 1: time he ran on a pitch. People were booing, people
Speaker 1: were throwing things, and so over the years people were saying, well,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want my kid to go into football, or
Speaker 1: people were saying I don't want to play at that level.
Speaker 1: It's too intense.
Speaker 3: But the harassment is like crazy, like you're just a
Speaker 3: bad person, because how does US.
Speaker 4: Losing the World Cup affect you into?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 1: I often wonder though, if sport can give you that
Speaker 1: excuse to be a bad person, you know, like to
Speaker 1: let that all hang out.
Speaker 5: Well, we've got neither Stephen's sister here to be sports correspondents,
Speaker 5: So Holly's done an admirable job. But I also have
Speaker 5: a piece of sporting news to bring from the World Cup.
Speaker 5: So a Team USA player, his name is Follerin' Balligan.
Speaker 5: He got a red card during the US team's game
Speaker 5: against Bosnia and Herzegovina, which is a game that the
Speaker 5: US went on to win. But Trump called FIFA three
Speaker 5: times over this red card and basically not basically, FIFA caved,
Speaker 5: rescinded the red card, allow Balligan is free to play
Speaker 5: in teen USA's next game against Belgium this week.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, how do we call FIFA rag outrageous?
Speaker 1: I haven't eve enjoyed the sports report. Mama Mia Outloud
Speaker 1: Sports Report. I promise we won't keep doing that. I
Speaker 1: just you know, I know you all wanted to send
Speaker 1: Harrington your love. We know you just want to check
Speaker 1: the score. I totally do. Can we just wind up
Speaker 1: so I can check these on score?
Speaker 4: Please?
Speaker 1: Thank you out louders for being in our ears. This
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Speaker 4: You've got two.
Speaker 1: It's me and me are talking all about the Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift wedding as much as we know so far, which
Speaker 1: is a lot.
Speaker 4: I'd say it's a lot. A lot happened.
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