1 00:00:11,064 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 1: So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 3 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:26,744 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on from MoMA Mia. Welcome 4 00:00:26,824 --> 00:00:29,304 Speaker 2: to the Spill, your daily pop culture fixed. 5 00:00:29,504 --> 00:00:32,144 Speaker 3: I'm m Burnham and I'm kussemue Lukitch. 6 00:00:32,184 --> 00:00:32,584 Speaker 4: I'm back. 7 00:00:32,704 --> 00:00:37,024 Speaker 2: You're back and look LB's not here today, so we've 8 00:00:37,024 --> 00:00:37,664 Speaker 2: got a bit row. 9 00:00:37,984 --> 00:00:40,704 Speaker 3: There's a guest in our studio, Yes. 10 00:00:40,664 --> 00:00:43,984 Speaker 2: In our studio. Can you introduce yourself? 11 00:00:44,304 --> 00:00:46,624 Speaker 1: Hello, I'm Grace Ruthy. I'm one of the producers and 12 00:00:46,824 --> 00:00:49,224 Speaker 1: hosts you at Muma Mia, and I'm very excited to 13 00:00:49,264 --> 00:00:51,264 Speaker 1: be here on the Spill talking about. 14 00:00:53,384 --> 00:00:53,864 Speaker 4: Do you know what? 15 00:00:53,944 --> 00:00:57,184 Speaker 3: It's just like one level down from Ellen Pompeo's great. 16 00:00:57,664 --> 00:00:58,824 Speaker 1: That's what people say. 17 00:00:58,904 --> 00:01:02,864 Speaker 4: In this offer. Grace is the resident expert. 18 00:01:02,784 --> 00:01:03,784 Speaker 1: On all things Shonder. 19 00:01:04,104 --> 00:01:04,784 Speaker 4: I love Shonder. 20 00:01:05,024 --> 00:01:08,024 Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's not just Gray as you go. 21 00:01:08,224 --> 00:01:11,624 Speaker 1: I'm a bridget the resident. Yeah, I've watched it on 22 00:01:11,624 --> 00:01:12,064 Speaker 1: the weekend. 23 00:01:12,224 --> 00:01:14,424 Speaker 2: Oh okay, so you're a Shonda expert. 24 00:01:14,584 --> 00:01:16,144 Speaker 1: I am an actual Shonder expert. 25 00:01:16,264 --> 00:01:18,664 Speaker 2: WHOA This could be like your hard quiz, isn't it. 26 00:01:19,264 --> 00:01:21,984 Speaker 1: Yes, this is my high quiz. It's like it's embarrassing 27 00:01:21,984 --> 00:01:25,864 Speaker 1: how much of my life I've wasted watching and rewatching 28 00:01:25,904 --> 00:01:26,504 Speaker 1: Shonda things. 29 00:01:26,504 --> 00:01:26,904 Speaker 5: Oh my god. 30 00:01:26,904 --> 00:01:29,504 Speaker 2: Well it's all built out to this moment because you 31 00:01:29,624 --> 00:01:30,744 Speaker 2: actually pitched this. 32 00:01:30,744 --> 00:01:35,384 Speaker 1: Episode to us months ago. I knew that the twentieth 33 00:01:35,424 --> 00:01:38,144 Speaker 1: anniversary of Grey's Anatomy was coming up, and I saw 34 00:01:38,184 --> 00:01:38,904 Speaker 1: it was this week. 35 00:01:39,144 --> 00:01:43,064 Speaker 2: So without LB here, because we didn't consult her, we 36 00:01:43,144 --> 00:01:46,904 Speaker 2: took the reins. We decided to do a brutally honest 37 00:01:46,944 --> 00:01:51,224 Speaker 2: review on Grey's Anatomy, the entire series that's still going. 38 00:01:51,384 --> 00:01:53,344 Speaker 3: That's twenty years. 39 00:01:53,584 --> 00:01:56,464 Speaker 4: So it started in two thousand and five. 40 00:01:57,384 --> 00:01:59,904 Speaker 5: Yes, so you were just born, weren't you. 41 00:02:00,584 --> 00:02:03,224 Speaker 2: I would have been like, I want to say eleven. 42 00:02:03,304 --> 00:02:06,704 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's just my jealousy poking true. I mean I 43 00:02:06,824 --> 00:02:09,064 Speaker 3: was fifteen, Yeah, I say, and I think we're the same. 44 00:02:09,344 --> 00:02:12,944 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it how it captivated the fifteen 45 00:02:12,984 --> 00:02:16,104 Speaker 1: year old brain is that we were just cognizant enough 46 00:02:16,144 --> 00:02:17,904 Speaker 1: of male attention. Well, for me, I guess I can 47 00:02:17,944 --> 00:02:20,584 Speaker 1: speak to that. And you're opening the series on a 48 00:02:20,624 --> 00:02:23,424 Speaker 1: one night stand and a man who is so infatuated 49 00:02:23,504 --> 00:02:27,264 Speaker 1: Derek Shepherd played by Patrick Dempsey obviously so infatuated with 50 00:02:27,304 --> 00:02:30,024 Speaker 1: someone and the will they won't they? The sexual tension 51 00:02:30,304 --> 00:02:34,264 Speaker 1: was electric. I think the pilot episode and I stand 52 00:02:34,264 --> 00:02:36,024 Speaker 1: by this comment every time. It's one of the best 53 00:02:36,064 --> 00:02:38,904 Speaker 1: TV pilots of all time. What were your thoughts of it? 54 00:02:38,904 --> 00:02:41,384 Speaker 3: It roped me in straight away, and I mean, look, 55 00:02:41,424 --> 00:02:43,264 Speaker 3: this is the thing with this kind of show. It 56 00:02:43,304 --> 00:02:46,824 Speaker 3: is storylines obviously go around and around. I mean, how 57 00:02:46,824 --> 00:02:50,224 Speaker 3: many near death experiences can you have? But it still 58 00:02:50,344 --> 00:02:54,624 Speaker 3: is like very very watchable, very bingeable. And Shonda Rhimes 59 00:02:55,104 --> 00:02:56,664 Speaker 3: definitely knows what she's doing. 60 00:02:56,984 --> 00:02:59,264 Speaker 1: Yeah, to the point where you can feel when she goes, 61 00:02:59,704 --> 00:03:02,104 Speaker 1: you can feel when she started private practice, and you 62 00:03:02,104 --> 00:03:03,984 Speaker 1: can feel when she steps off a show runner. 63 00:03:04,184 --> 00:03:08,664 Speaker 2: Oh, oh my god. So Gray's Anatomy. Let's start from 64 00:03:08,664 --> 00:03:12,584 Speaker 2: the beginning. So I'm pretty famous on the spill for 65 00:03:12,784 --> 00:03:17,224 Speaker 2: trying to explain plot lines of movies and TV shows 66 00:03:17,264 --> 00:03:18,984 Speaker 2: in the worst way possible because I don't know how 67 00:03:18,984 --> 00:03:21,184 Speaker 2: to explain a plot line. So I'm gonna give LB 68 00:03:21,304 --> 00:03:23,024 Speaker 2: when she's listening to this, she's gonna hate this, but 69 00:03:23,064 --> 00:03:25,784 Speaker 2: I'm going to try to explain Gray's anatomy. I'm just 70 00:03:25,784 --> 00:03:28,024 Speaker 2: gonna focus on the first episode from what I remember. 71 00:03:28,664 --> 00:03:30,544 Speaker 1: So we have Meredith Gray. 72 00:03:31,104 --> 00:03:34,944 Speaker 2: She's in a bar hooking up with a real hotty, right, 73 00:03:35,424 --> 00:03:38,384 Speaker 2: and then they sleep together, and then she's like, hey, hoty, 74 00:03:38,424 --> 00:03:40,184 Speaker 2: you have to get out of my house because I'm 75 00:03:40,184 --> 00:03:42,344 Speaker 2: about to start a new job. It's really important. I 76 00:03:42,384 --> 00:03:44,504 Speaker 2: want to be a doctor and I'm interning at the 77 00:03:44,504 --> 00:03:47,144 Speaker 2: hospital next door and I'm gonna smash it, So get 78 00:03:47,184 --> 00:03:48,704 Speaker 2: out of my house, you random man. 79 00:03:48,864 --> 00:03:49,544 Speaker 5: And he's like, no, I. 80 00:03:49,464 --> 00:03:50,984 Speaker 2: Can't want to date, and she's like, no, get out. 81 00:03:51,264 --> 00:03:52,944 Speaker 2: And then she gets to hospital. She's a bit late, 82 00:03:52,984 --> 00:03:55,024 Speaker 2: but not too late. She bumps into Well. Her and 83 00:03:55,104 --> 00:03:56,344 Speaker 2: Christina have friends before this. 84 00:03:56,704 --> 00:03:59,664 Speaker 1: No, no, their friendship forming happens in the first episode, 85 00:04:00,504 --> 00:04:01,144 Speaker 1: but continue. 86 00:04:01,224 --> 00:04:03,784 Speaker 2: So then she meets all the other interns. They're all 87 00:04:03,824 --> 00:04:07,144 Speaker 2: like egotistical, they all want to be the best, especially Christina. 88 00:04:07,784 --> 00:04:11,584 Speaker 2: And then they meet the head surgeons of the hospital. 89 00:04:11,464 --> 00:04:13,624 Speaker 5: And one of the head surgeons is a guy she's 90 00:04:13,704 --> 00:04:14,344 Speaker 5: just hooked up. 91 00:04:14,264 --> 00:04:17,704 Speaker 2: With, and he's even hotter, even hotter in that dark 92 00:04:17,744 --> 00:04:19,224 Speaker 2: blue and they're wearing light blue. 93 00:04:19,304 --> 00:04:19,984 Speaker 4: Oh my god. 94 00:04:20,264 --> 00:04:21,784 Speaker 2: And then I forgot the rest of the episode, but 95 00:04:21,824 --> 00:04:24,184 Speaker 2: I think that just set up, like, holy shit, do 96 00:04:24,184 --> 00:04:24,464 Speaker 2: you know what? 97 00:04:24,504 --> 00:04:27,304 Speaker 3: That's actually pretty good lbs complaining about it. 98 00:04:28,384 --> 00:04:29,744 Speaker 1: I would say, that's the crux of it. 99 00:04:29,944 --> 00:04:31,664 Speaker 2: Oh my god, thank you so much. 100 00:04:31,784 --> 00:04:34,184 Speaker 1: In a world of female leads, instead of egotistical, I 101 00:04:34,184 --> 00:04:38,784 Speaker 1: would call them ambitious. Ooh yeah, ambitious to get the 102 00:04:38,864 --> 00:04:41,344 Speaker 1: job done, to learn the skills and be the best. 103 00:04:41,424 --> 00:04:43,264 Speaker 2: But then you also have Alex, who's like. 104 00:04:43,664 --> 00:04:48,584 Speaker 1: Well, fun fact about Alex played by Justin Chambers, he 105 00:04:48,744 --> 00:04:50,544 Speaker 1: was never meant to be one of the core five. 106 00:04:50,864 --> 00:04:53,304 Speaker 1: He was only ever like sort of planted in this 107 00:04:53,384 --> 00:04:56,264 Speaker 1: first episode as someone who he calls Meredith a nurse, 108 00:04:56,744 --> 00:05:00,904 Speaker 1: which is very offensive to doctors, especially if they're training 109 00:05:00,944 --> 00:05:04,224 Speaker 1: to be surgeons and wanting to be taken seriously. But 110 00:05:04,344 --> 00:05:07,304 Speaker 1: because of the dynamic between them and because of how 111 00:05:07,944 --> 00:05:11,064 Speaker 1: lovable hateable he is, they built him into the show 112 00:05:11,104 --> 00:05:12,384 Speaker 1: to be one of the five interns. 113 00:05:12,384 --> 00:05:14,624 Speaker 3: How long have you spent on IMDb looking at the 114 00:05:14,664 --> 00:05:16,464 Speaker 3: trivia fort grays and have. 115 00:05:16,544 --> 00:05:17,864 Speaker 4: You gone through every episode? 116 00:05:18,024 --> 00:05:19,984 Speaker 1: I think some of it's just by osmosis through the 117 00:05:20,064 --> 00:05:23,024 Speaker 1: years of like you learn bits and pieces. I probably 118 00:05:23,064 --> 00:05:25,864 Speaker 1: watched every I had the DVDs and I've watched every 119 00:05:25,864 --> 00:05:28,784 Speaker 1: behind the scenes things. Oh wow, at the time. 120 00:05:28,664 --> 00:05:30,944 Speaker 2: I want to talk about after being like in the 121 00:05:30,984 --> 00:05:34,824 Speaker 2: Grey's Anatomy universe. What do you think is the most 122 00:05:35,424 --> 00:05:39,784 Speaker 2: underrated Gray's Anatomy moments. I feel like there's so much 123 00:05:39,824 --> 00:05:42,824 Speaker 2: out there that everyone's kind of a cross but haven't 124 00:05:42,824 --> 00:05:46,104 Speaker 2: actually dived deep into the series, or you watch certain episodes, 125 00:05:46,344 --> 00:05:48,904 Speaker 2: what do you feel didn't get the attention that it needed. 126 00:05:49,344 --> 00:05:51,944 Speaker 1: I have two answers to that, one like a serious 127 00:05:51,984 --> 00:05:53,584 Speaker 1: one and one a silly one. To start with the 128 00:05:53,624 --> 00:05:58,184 Speaker 1: silly one, I think Eric Dane, who plays McSteamy, his 129 00:05:58,384 --> 00:06:01,544 Speaker 1: entrance is one of the most iconic entrances. Like we 130 00:06:01,584 --> 00:06:05,264 Speaker 1: talk so much about Addison Montgomery Shepherd's entrance, but Eric 131 00:06:05,344 --> 00:06:10,144 Speaker 1: Dane rocking up and then McDreamy punching him out all 132 00:06:10,144 --> 00:06:14,424 Speaker 1: the well, Meredith's dealing with appendicitis is iconic. 133 00:06:15,584 --> 00:06:17,744 Speaker 3: He's one of my favorite characters of all time. Yes, 134 00:06:18,024 --> 00:06:21,264 Speaker 3: like I have the biggest crush on him. Yes, Like 135 00:06:21,384 --> 00:06:22,784 Speaker 3: I was not a McDreamy. 136 00:06:22,864 --> 00:06:24,264 Speaker 4: I was all about Eric Day. 137 00:06:24,424 --> 00:06:26,184 Speaker 1: Yeah, you were a McSteamy. 138 00:06:26,464 --> 00:06:27,864 Speaker 4: I was all about McSteamy. 139 00:06:28,384 --> 00:06:32,024 Speaker 1: And then my serious answer is there's a scene it's 140 00:06:32,024 --> 00:06:37,144 Speaker 1: in season three where George's dad dies and there's something 141 00:06:37,424 --> 00:06:40,504 Speaker 1: beautiful that Shonda does, and she captures grief and death 142 00:06:40,584 --> 00:06:43,864 Speaker 1: in the most authentic way. George's dad dies. He goes 143 00:06:43,904 --> 00:06:47,304 Speaker 1: outside and Christina follows him, and she lost her dad 144 00:06:47,304 --> 00:06:49,344 Speaker 1: when she was nine years old. She welcomes him to 145 00:06:49,344 --> 00:06:51,384 Speaker 1: the grief club and said says, I'm sorry you had 146 00:06:51,384 --> 00:06:53,584 Speaker 1: to join, and he says, I don't know how to 147 00:06:53,664 --> 00:06:56,504 Speaker 1: live in a world where my dad doesn't and she goes, Yeah, 148 00:06:56,624 --> 00:06:59,624 Speaker 1: that never really goes away. And I think it's one 149 00:06:59,624 --> 00:07:02,384 Speaker 1: of the most beautiful moments, some of the most beautiful 150 00:07:02,384 --> 00:07:05,224 Speaker 1: writing on television that is not spoken about. 151 00:07:05,544 --> 00:07:06,784 Speaker 4: I feel like you could just keep talking. 152 00:07:06,784 --> 00:07:08,584 Speaker 3: I feel like we're going to have a n app 153 00:07:08,584 --> 00:07:10,144 Speaker 3: and you just keep going with this service. 154 00:07:10,344 --> 00:07:11,024 Speaker 4: This is amazing. 155 00:07:13,064 --> 00:07:16,664 Speaker 3: What do you think the biggest moments of Gray's Anatomy 156 00:07:16,744 --> 00:07:18,744 Speaker 3: over the last twenty years. We've got some of the 157 00:07:18,784 --> 00:07:22,384 Speaker 3: real classics, But what do you think are the three 158 00:07:22,744 --> 00:07:23,944 Speaker 3: biggest moments. 159 00:07:24,224 --> 00:07:28,824 Speaker 1: It's probably plane crash. We can go into each of them, 160 00:07:28,864 --> 00:07:30,264 Speaker 1: but it's probably plain crash. 161 00:07:30,264 --> 00:07:32,784 Speaker 2: Why does everyone have to die? Why can't they just 162 00:07:32,864 --> 00:07:37,224 Speaker 2: be like, hey, doctors move around. Everyone just be Christina 163 00:07:37,264 --> 00:07:38,304 Speaker 2: Yang and get a better job. 164 00:07:38,504 --> 00:07:40,664 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're in Switzerland or something. 165 00:07:40,944 --> 00:07:42,624 Speaker 2: Marre of the Gray, Oh my god, she's been through 166 00:07:42,664 --> 00:07:43,184 Speaker 2: a lot. 167 00:07:43,024 --> 00:07:45,744 Speaker 1: She's been through. She's got a lot of trauma. Yeah, 168 00:07:45,864 --> 00:07:48,864 Speaker 1: so yeah, plane crash, the bomb in the body, cavity, 169 00:07:48,904 --> 00:07:50,424 Speaker 1: and the gunman. I think of the three. 170 00:07:50,744 --> 00:07:52,664 Speaker 2: See the fact that these three things happen in one 171 00:07:52,704 --> 00:07:55,064 Speaker 2: person's life is insane. 172 00:07:55,024 --> 00:07:58,824 Speaker 1: In one hospital. In one hospital, that's where sick people 173 00:07:58,864 --> 00:07:59,504 Speaker 1: go to be here. 174 00:07:59,704 --> 00:08:01,944 Speaker 2: I know, Oh my god, Okay, I know we just 175 00:08:02,024 --> 00:08:04,624 Speaker 2: keep bombarding you with questions, but I need to talk 176 00:08:04,664 --> 00:08:07,624 Speaker 2: about this because I haven't answered my head. Your favorite, 177 00:08:07,624 --> 00:08:08,384 Speaker 2: there's the some time word. 178 00:08:08,424 --> 00:08:11,864 Speaker 1: Your favorite, depth, favorite in terms of get rid of 179 00:08:11,864 --> 00:08:16,104 Speaker 1: that character, or favorite in terms of well done creators. 180 00:08:15,544 --> 00:08:17,624 Speaker 2: Of the show, Well done creators of the show. 181 00:08:17,984 --> 00:08:19,824 Speaker 3: If you say, Mark, I'm gonna be so upset. 182 00:08:20,024 --> 00:08:22,824 Speaker 1: No, that was done poorly. That's my review. I should 183 00:08:22,864 --> 00:08:24,864 Speaker 1: say I've been in film and TV for almost fifteen years, 184 00:08:24,864 --> 00:08:27,424 Speaker 1: so I'm very judgy, so I'd like for me to 185 00:08:27,464 --> 00:08:30,024 Speaker 1: go this is impressive. It has to be impressive. So 186 00:08:30,064 --> 00:08:32,864 Speaker 1: I think I think it's double O seven. 187 00:08:33,104 --> 00:08:36,384 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that was iconic, iconic. 188 00:08:36,584 --> 00:08:37,944 Speaker 2: So explain that death. 189 00:08:38,784 --> 00:08:42,624 Speaker 1: So George, what they do at the start of the episode. 190 00:08:42,664 --> 00:08:45,824 Speaker 1: They set it up like he is in surgery and 191 00:08:45,824 --> 00:08:47,384 Speaker 1: that he's going to join the army at the end 192 00:08:47,424 --> 00:08:49,864 Speaker 1: of the day, and everyone's mad about that. But at 193 00:08:49,864 --> 00:08:51,824 Speaker 1: the same time, this man comes in. He's been hit 194 00:08:51,864 --> 00:08:54,264 Speaker 1: by a bus. He's labeled a hero because he's pulled 195 00:08:54,264 --> 00:08:56,144 Speaker 1: this girl out of the way of the bus. And 196 00:08:56,184 --> 00:08:58,424 Speaker 1: they're working on him all day. And here's a John 197 00:08:58,464 --> 00:09:00,424 Speaker 1: Doe at this He's a John Doe. He's just a 198 00:09:00,504 --> 00:09:03,064 Speaker 1: John Doe. And this woman is sitting by his bedside. 199 00:09:03,104 --> 00:09:05,464 Speaker 1: No one knows who he is. The end of the episode, 200 00:09:06,064 --> 00:09:09,504 Speaker 1: it's John Doe and Meredith in the room and he's 201 00:09:09,584 --> 00:09:12,984 Speaker 1: trying to trace something onto the palm of her hand, 202 00:09:13,304 --> 00:09:15,504 Speaker 1: and she's trying to get a pen, trying to figure 203 00:09:15,544 --> 00:09:18,824 Speaker 1: it out. And then he traces two o's and a 204 00:09:18,864 --> 00:09:21,584 Speaker 1: seven and grabs her hand. And do you guys know 205 00:09:21,624 --> 00:09:22,424 Speaker 1: the significance of. 206 00:09:22,544 --> 00:09:25,544 Speaker 3: Yeah, double O seven licensed to kill? And he tried 207 00:09:25,584 --> 00:09:27,824 Speaker 3: to do an appendectomy? Was it an apidectimy that he 208 00:09:27,864 --> 00:09:32,264 Speaker 3: screwed up? And appendectomy is like the easiest thing in surgery. 209 00:09:33,104 --> 00:09:36,584 Speaker 3: I mean, like I could do it, that's how easy 210 00:09:36,664 --> 00:09:37,024 Speaker 3: it is. 211 00:09:37,384 --> 00:09:39,184 Speaker 1: And then so she grabs his hand. This is some 212 00:09:39,304 --> 00:09:41,184 Speaker 1: of I think Ellen Pompeio's finest acting. 213 00:09:41,264 --> 00:09:41,944 Speaker 5: She does this. 214 00:09:43,504 --> 00:09:47,224 Speaker 1: And then is running down the hallway shouting, it's George. 215 00:09:49,504 --> 00:09:51,144 Speaker 2: It's Geors. What's your favorite debth? 216 00:09:51,624 --> 00:09:55,104 Speaker 4: I'm trying to think now who else was there? Who 217 00:09:55,224 --> 00:09:55,944 Speaker 4: did you not like? 218 00:09:56,024 --> 00:09:57,984 Speaker 3: Which characters didn't you like because I'm trying to think 219 00:09:58,024 --> 00:10:00,064 Speaker 3: of death, but I'm more thinking of people who have 220 00:10:00,184 --> 00:10:00,864 Speaker 3: left the show. 221 00:10:01,464 --> 00:10:05,144 Speaker 4: I didn't really like Callie Torro's very much. She always 222 00:10:05,184 --> 00:10:05,704 Speaker 4: really annoyed. 223 00:10:05,904 --> 00:10:07,464 Speaker 1: I loved her at the beginning, but then I think 224 00:10:07,464 --> 00:10:09,504 Speaker 1: they let her down in the what happens to her 225 00:10:09,624 --> 00:10:13,704 Speaker 1: character she moved to be with, so like, I know 226 00:10:13,744 --> 00:10:16,624 Speaker 1: exactly what happened. She moved to New York to be 227 00:10:16,664 --> 00:10:17,624 Speaker 1: with her partner Penny. 228 00:10:17,864 --> 00:10:20,864 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and you didn't like that. You wanted her 229 00:10:20,904 --> 00:10:21,224 Speaker 2: to die? 230 00:10:21,624 --> 00:10:23,944 Speaker 3: No, I didn't want her to die. I just didn't 231 00:10:24,144 --> 00:10:27,424 Speaker 3: love her character and it just felt I will say 232 00:10:27,464 --> 00:10:30,984 Speaker 3: that I did like her and Mark Sloan's relationship. I 233 00:10:31,144 --> 00:10:34,504 Speaker 3: liked that dynamic, that kind of like just like friends 234 00:10:34,504 --> 00:10:36,984 Speaker 3: with benefits kind of thing. I did enjoy that, But 235 00:10:37,024 --> 00:10:38,824 Speaker 3: then I think towards the end, I just was like, 236 00:10:38,864 --> 00:10:42,424 Speaker 3: this doesn't feel it just felt a bit light. 237 00:10:42,704 --> 00:10:45,224 Speaker 1: Well, they kind of pulled back on the nuance of 238 00:10:45,264 --> 00:10:45,784 Speaker 1: her character. 239 00:10:45,824 --> 00:10:47,424 Speaker 3: I think yeah, and they were just like, oh, she's 240 00:10:47,424 --> 00:10:49,904 Speaker 3: the lesbian now and that's stuff. Yeah, And I was like, 241 00:10:50,384 --> 00:10:53,624 Speaker 3: but like, let's delve into that because that was interesting 242 00:10:53,704 --> 00:10:55,504 Speaker 3: when she kind of had a little bit more to it. 243 00:10:55,504 --> 00:10:56,944 Speaker 3: But then I feel like they just leant into this 244 00:10:57,024 --> 00:10:58,064 Speaker 3: other thing and they were like. 245 00:10:58,224 --> 00:11:00,424 Speaker 1: Well, they also made her a bit incompetent at a job, 246 00:11:00,504 --> 00:11:03,824 Speaker 1: and also she wasn't a great mother and they were 247 00:11:03,824 --> 00:11:06,624 Speaker 1: having relationship problems. And I love what you said about 248 00:11:06,744 --> 00:11:10,864 Speaker 1: Eric Dane about McSteamy and her friendship, because that is 249 00:11:10,864 --> 00:11:13,824 Speaker 1: a shonder thing that she does amazingly, is she creates 250 00:11:13,864 --> 00:11:18,744 Speaker 1: friendships so well, yeah, and that's a perfect segue. 251 00:11:18,264 --> 00:11:20,784 Speaker 2: A perfect segue into the friendship that I feel like 252 00:11:20,944 --> 00:11:24,904 Speaker 2: every woman has either experienced or one to experience, is 253 00:11:24,904 --> 00:11:28,824 Speaker 2: a friendship between Christina Yang and Meredith Gray. And I 254 00:11:28,864 --> 00:11:33,664 Speaker 2: think Christina Yang leaving the show, Sandra O leaving the 255 00:11:33,704 --> 00:11:36,064 Speaker 2: show was like a huge heartbreak. 256 00:11:36,784 --> 00:11:37,064 Speaker 6: Yeah. 257 00:11:37,064 --> 00:11:40,064 Speaker 1: And actually it's interesting that Ellen Popeo was just on 258 00:11:40,144 --> 00:11:43,264 Speaker 1: the Call Her Daddy podcast and she was asked what 259 00:11:43,384 --> 00:11:45,864 Speaker 1: was the most emotional day on set and she said 260 00:11:45,864 --> 00:11:47,184 Speaker 1: it was Sandra's last day. 261 00:11:47,904 --> 00:11:51,664 Speaker 7: Which character's death hit you the hardest? Georgia Malley, which 262 00:11:51,744 --> 00:11:54,024 Speaker 7: scene was the most emotional to film. 263 00:11:54,184 --> 00:11:57,944 Speaker 8: Sandra Oh's last day was really emotional for me. 264 00:11:58,144 --> 00:12:00,904 Speaker 7: Which Meredith gray line is most often quarterback to. 265 00:12:00,904 --> 00:12:02,864 Speaker 4: You take me, choose me, love me. 266 00:12:02,584 --> 00:12:07,264 Speaker 7: Meredith begging Derek to choose her over his wife, Girl Bye. 267 00:12:07,504 --> 00:12:10,304 Speaker 1: Sandra doesn't really like to talk about Grey's anatomy anymore. 268 00:12:10,584 --> 00:12:12,184 Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know. 269 00:12:12,264 --> 00:12:15,064 Speaker 1: I can't figure it out that I don't know because 270 00:12:15,104 --> 00:12:15,424 Speaker 1: it was. 271 00:12:15,424 --> 00:12:18,344 Speaker 3: Like eleven years ago. She's like, I've done so much 272 00:12:18,424 --> 00:12:22,024 Speaker 3: more she did, like killing Eve, like she's her to 273 00:12:22,144 --> 00:12:24,704 Speaker 3: her is like home and away to Marga Robbie. 274 00:12:24,864 --> 00:12:27,904 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I think that's what it is. It's like 275 00:12:28,544 --> 00:12:31,424 Speaker 1: I've been in scenes with Leo. Stop asking me about 276 00:12:31,464 --> 00:12:35,944 Speaker 1: Summer Bay. Wait, wait, did you do neighbors? 277 00:12:36,264 --> 00:12:40,944 Speaker 2: Neighbors? So tell me about this friendship. Why do you 278 00:12:40,984 --> 00:12:42,384 Speaker 2: think it works so well? 279 00:12:42,664 --> 00:12:45,504 Speaker 1: I think they both saw each other and met each 280 00:12:45,544 --> 00:12:48,824 Speaker 1: other as humans and who they were individually, because so 281 00:12:49,144 --> 00:12:51,944 Speaker 1: was adults as well as adults, and they were. In 282 00:12:51,944 --> 00:12:57,224 Speaker 1: this first episode, basically, Meredith steals a surgery from her, 283 00:12:58,064 --> 00:13:00,264 Speaker 1: and Christina says, if you're going to be a snake, 284 00:13:00,344 --> 00:13:02,864 Speaker 1: just be a snack and tells her to like just 285 00:13:02,944 --> 00:13:04,944 Speaker 1: own her decision, and at the end she does own 286 00:13:04,984 --> 00:13:07,224 Speaker 1: her decision, and they have this beautiful moment of like, 287 00:13:07,264 --> 00:13:08,504 Speaker 1: do we have to do one of those things where 288 00:13:08,544 --> 00:13:11,344 Speaker 1: one of us apologizes? It's like no, So they both 289 00:13:11,424 --> 00:13:13,824 Speaker 1: just met each other. And when I see you, I 290 00:13:13,904 --> 00:13:16,544 Speaker 1: see you, And I think it's such a beautiful thing 291 00:13:16,584 --> 00:13:19,784 Speaker 1: when you do meet someone in your adult life who 292 00:13:19,864 --> 00:13:22,344 Speaker 1: just gets you and they're not going who you were, 293 00:13:23,104 --> 00:13:24,864 Speaker 1: They just see you as you are. And I think 294 00:13:24,904 --> 00:13:25,424 Speaker 1: it's magic. 295 00:13:25,544 --> 00:13:27,064 Speaker 3: And I think it would have been really easy for 296 00:13:27,144 --> 00:13:29,944 Speaker 3: them to be like these girls are pitied against each 297 00:13:29,944 --> 00:13:33,344 Speaker 3: other and they're going to be like work enemies, you know, 298 00:13:33,544 --> 00:13:36,144 Speaker 3: like they're the ones ye for jobs like that would 299 00:13:36,184 --> 00:13:38,064 Speaker 3: have been a really easy arc. 300 00:13:38,184 --> 00:13:39,144 Speaker 4: For them to go on. 301 00:13:39,344 --> 00:13:44,184 Speaker 3: But the fact that they center this female relationship as 302 00:13:44,264 --> 00:13:46,224 Speaker 3: really as one of the key parts of the show. 303 00:13:46,304 --> 00:13:49,224 Speaker 3: I mean, yes, Patrick Temps and McDreamy is like, that 304 00:13:49,344 --> 00:13:52,744 Speaker 3: relationship is a key part of the entire show, but 305 00:13:53,584 --> 00:13:56,704 Speaker 3: at the center, at its core, it is Meredith a woman, 306 00:13:57,824 --> 00:14:01,864 Speaker 3: Sandro you know, Christina Yang. That friendship and that line 307 00:14:01,944 --> 00:14:05,064 Speaker 3: you are the son, you know, that is such a 308 00:14:05,144 --> 00:14:09,184 Speaker 3: nice grounding moment for the importance of the series. 309 00:14:09,224 --> 00:14:11,784 Speaker 1: I think I've completely and in the start of season 310 00:14:11,784 --> 00:14:14,344 Speaker 1: two when they say the iconic line to each other, 311 00:14:14,384 --> 00:14:15,104 Speaker 1: you're my person. 312 00:14:16,504 --> 00:14:19,744 Speaker 8: I've lived here as much as I've survived here. It 313 00:14:19,824 --> 00:14:22,984 Speaker 8: just depends on how I look at it. I'm going 314 00:14:23,024 --> 00:14:26,064 Speaker 8: to choose to look at it that way and remember 315 00:14:26,184 --> 00:14:26,944 Speaker 8: you that way. 316 00:14:27,464 --> 00:14:38,664 Speaker 9: Hope You're good bye, hollow h. 317 00:14:42,304 --> 00:14:48,664 Speaker 10: W he you are my person, you will always be 318 00:14:48,824 --> 00:14:53,304 Speaker 10: my person, which. 319 00:14:53,104 --> 00:14:56,744 Speaker 2: Is just so beautiful because it's a line that's saved 320 00:14:56,744 --> 00:14:57,944 Speaker 2: for a romantic partner. 321 00:14:58,064 --> 00:15:00,584 Speaker 1: Correct. And what I love about the writing in this 322 00:15:00,744 --> 00:15:02,584 Speaker 1: is that they do keep this thread of you're my 323 00:15:02,664 --> 00:15:07,744 Speaker 1: person throughout the whole series, and even Owen, which is 324 00:15:07,864 --> 00:15:11,824 Speaker 1: Christina's partner at one point played by Kevin mckitt. He 325 00:15:11,904 --> 00:15:15,304 Speaker 1: says be my person to Christina when she goes Meredith's 326 00:15:15,344 --> 00:15:19,384 Speaker 1: my person, and I think women was like boom, you know, 327 00:15:19,904 --> 00:15:21,744 Speaker 1: but it's I think it's such a beautiful comment around 328 00:15:21,784 --> 00:15:24,664 Speaker 1: female friendship of yes, there's my romantic partner. 329 00:15:24,704 --> 00:15:29,064 Speaker 2: But versus Derek, who understood it and brought Christina into 330 00:15:29,184 --> 00:15:31,704 Speaker 2: a relationship to his bed sometime he was. 331 00:15:31,744 --> 00:15:32,544 Speaker 1: Kicked out of the bed. 332 00:15:32,864 --> 00:15:34,984 Speaker 3: Yeah, do you know what you know something that I 333 00:15:34,984 --> 00:15:37,304 Speaker 3: do want to mention I was looking at all of 334 00:15:37,304 --> 00:15:39,864 Speaker 3: the characters in this show. There's been dozens and dozens 335 00:15:39,864 --> 00:15:42,504 Speaker 3: of people that have featured on this show from you know. 336 00:15:42,544 --> 00:15:44,184 Speaker 4: One season guest or whatever. 337 00:15:44,864 --> 00:15:47,944 Speaker 3: The two people that have been on that show from 338 00:15:48,064 --> 00:15:51,584 Speaker 3: day dot and are still on the show, Miranda Bailey 339 00:15:51,624 --> 00:15:55,224 Speaker 3: and Richard Webber. These guys must be rolling in it. 340 00:15:55,384 --> 00:15:58,024 Speaker 5: Oh my god, they're still there. They're still there. 341 00:15:58,104 --> 00:15:59,104 Speaker 2: What are they doing now? 342 00:15:59,864 --> 00:16:01,144 Speaker 4: Well, they're not the bosses. 343 00:16:01,224 --> 00:16:03,824 Speaker 3: They are like sidelin, like they start the bosses. 344 00:16:03,864 --> 00:16:05,744 Speaker 2: And then he stepped down for a bit and he 345 00:16:05,784 --> 00:16:06,744 Speaker 2: was an alcoholic for a while. 346 00:16:06,824 --> 00:16:10,224 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's resigned a bunch of times. Yea, he's had 347 00:16:10,624 --> 00:16:13,344 Speaker 1: near death experiences and resigned even though he's still the chief. 348 00:16:13,664 --> 00:16:16,104 Speaker 1: But he's not the chief. Yeah, he'll always be the chief. 349 00:16:16,184 --> 00:16:19,384 Speaker 2: Oh that scene where the episode where there was a 350 00:16:19,424 --> 00:16:21,304 Speaker 2: shooting and he went into the room and sat with 351 00:16:21,464 --> 00:16:21,904 Speaker 2: the shooter. 352 00:16:22,304 --> 00:16:24,704 Speaker 1: Yeah, well he was like the he's the big boss. 353 00:16:24,704 --> 00:16:26,784 Speaker 1: Moves the captain on the Titanic who goes, I go 354 00:16:26,864 --> 00:16:28,784 Speaker 1: down with the ship. Yeah, this is my hospital. 355 00:16:29,344 --> 00:16:32,664 Speaker 3: But I mean Chandro Wilson who plays Miranda Bailey and 356 00:16:32,864 --> 00:16:37,304 Speaker 3: James Pickens Junior, who plays Richard Webber. I mean, well 357 00:16:37,344 --> 00:16:39,864 Speaker 3: done to them that they are just cashing that check 358 00:16:40,064 --> 00:16:43,904 Speaker 3: every week for the last twenty one years. Most people 359 00:16:43,904 --> 00:16:46,144 Speaker 3: don't have a job the same job for twenty one years. 360 00:16:46,144 --> 00:16:46,784 Speaker 4: That's amazing. 361 00:16:46,904 --> 00:16:50,984 Speaker 1: They're incredible, and they have such strong characters as well. 362 00:16:51,104 --> 00:16:53,784 Speaker 1: There's such strong writing and such strong foundations for them 363 00:16:53,984 --> 00:16:55,184 Speaker 1: that they can just keep going. 364 00:16:55,304 --> 00:16:58,544 Speaker 3: I think it also anchors it. So obviously Meredith is 365 00:16:58,544 --> 00:17:01,384 Speaker 3: always very important to the show, but in terms of 366 00:17:01,464 --> 00:17:06,304 Speaker 3: an anchor character, in terms of what that hospital. Who 367 00:17:06,344 --> 00:17:10,304 Speaker 3: are the people that are really the idea of this hospital, 368 00:17:10,464 --> 00:17:13,424 Speaker 3: and it's those two. It's like they're the the anchor 369 00:17:13,464 --> 00:17:17,584 Speaker 3: that holds everything together. Because Miranda was what do they 370 00:17:17,624 --> 00:17:19,824 Speaker 3: call her the Nazi or yeah, they called her the 371 00:17:19,904 --> 00:17:22,344 Speaker 3: Nazi in the beginning because she was such a harders 372 00:17:22,504 --> 00:17:24,904 Speaker 3: and then Richard being like, you know, this big boss, 373 00:17:25,144 --> 00:17:27,624 Speaker 3: like it's almost like that kind of keeps things centered. 374 00:17:28,024 --> 00:17:30,224 Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd be weird when he's not around, but it's 375 00:17:30,224 --> 00:17:33,304 Speaker 1: there's an interesting transition with the Chief Chief Web but 376 00:17:33,384 --> 00:17:36,104 Speaker 1: he's not the Chief, but again, he'll always be the Chief. 377 00:17:36,384 --> 00:17:39,704 Speaker 1: He becomes a comedic character somewhere halfway through. 378 00:17:40,024 --> 00:17:41,704 Speaker 5: He's this hard ass. 379 00:17:41,424 --> 00:17:44,664 Speaker 1: And he's tough and he runs the residency program, but 380 00:17:44,744 --> 00:17:47,944 Speaker 1: then he teams a friendship with Arizona played by Jessica 381 00:17:48,024 --> 00:17:50,464 Speaker 1: Capshaw and which she was. That was a sad loss. 382 00:17:50,464 --> 00:17:52,984 Speaker 1: She didn't die, thank god, but when she left definitely 383 00:17:53,144 --> 00:17:54,224 Speaker 1: was disappointed. 384 00:17:54,264 --> 00:17:55,064 Speaker 4: She did lose her legs. 385 00:17:55,304 --> 00:17:58,224 Speaker 2: She did, and she had the phantom pain and no 386 00:17:58,304 --> 00:17:59,304 Speaker 2: one had to help her through that. 387 00:18:00,344 --> 00:18:02,624 Speaker 4: Calie because Kellie had to cut her leg off and that's. 388 00:18:02,464 --> 00:18:06,104 Speaker 1: Why they Yeah, no, I was always gonna says, Yeah, 389 00:18:06,144 --> 00:18:08,704 Speaker 1: Arizona and the Chief they start to have this like 390 00:18:09,104 --> 00:18:12,824 Speaker 1: funny friendship and you you're a comedic character. Now, yeah, 391 00:18:12,824 --> 00:18:13,264 Speaker 1: it's new. 392 00:18:13,544 --> 00:18:14,544 Speaker 4: I love it, love. 393 00:18:14,384 --> 00:18:18,464 Speaker 2: It, saying it's really interesting to me how you've just 394 00:18:18,544 --> 00:18:21,224 Speaker 2: stuck with it like Grays, because I feel like a 395 00:18:21,264 --> 00:18:23,944 Speaker 2: lot of us, like a lot of people have been 396 00:18:24,304 --> 00:18:26,864 Speaker 2: fans of Greys Anatomy, but at certain periods of their 397 00:18:26,864 --> 00:18:29,064 Speaker 2: life and then they've dropped off. Similar to how like 398 00:18:29,584 --> 00:18:31,104 Speaker 2: there was a part of your life where you'd watch 399 00:18:31,104 --> 00:18:33,224 Speaker 2: Home and Away, where you watch Neighbors, and then eventually 400 00:18:33,264 --> 00:18:36,544 Speaker 2: you just stop and you've stuck to it. Why haven't 401 00:18:36,544 --> 00:18:38,944 Speaker 2: you had a dropping off point? Like what is it 402 00:18:38,984 --> 00:18:41,504 Speaker 2: with Grey's Anatomy? And I'm sure there's so many other 403 00:18:41,544 --> 00:18:43,504 Speaker 2: people out there because the show's still going on, so 404 00:18:43,544 --> 00:18:46,344 Speaker 2: people are still watching it. That just keeps you sticking 405 00:18:46,344 --> 00:18:46,664 Speaker 2: with it. 406 00:18:47,024 --> 00:18:49,824 Speaker 1: I think you have to acknowledge it's changed, Like even 407 00:18:49,824 --> 00:18:53,784 Speaker 1: if you're a super fan, which i am, it's changed 408 00:18:53,824 --> 00:18:55,464 Speaker 1: and it's not what it used to be. Of course, 409 00:18:55,944 --> 00:18:58,184 Speaker 1: when it came out it was premium drama. 410 00:18:58,264 --> 00:19:00,104 Speaker 4: It was it's fresh. 411 00:19:00,224 --> 00:19:02,784 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was fresh, and money was thrown at, big 412 00:19:02,824 --> 00:19:06,504 Speaker 1: storylines and lots of guesties, like and the guesties that 413 00:19:06,544 --> 00:19:09,024 Speaker 1: they've had over the years. There's a significant amount of 414 00:19:09,024 --> 00:19:10,304 Speaker 1: famous people who have been guests. 415 00:19:11,144 --> 00:19:11,904 Speaker 5: And it has. 416 00:19:11,784 --> 00:19:16,784 Speaker 1: Changed, and Shonder's focus has shifted, Like around season four 417 00:19:16,864 --> 00:19:20,024 Speaker 1: she goes in starts developing private practice, and then she 418 00:19:20,144 --> 00:19:22,584 Speaker 1: goes into other things. So around I think season seven, 419 00:19:22,624 --> 00:19:24,944 Speaker 1: season eight, it starts to change a bit. And then 420 00:19:25,024 --> 00:19:27,344 Speaker 1: at the end of season thirteen, which is the big 421 00:19:27,424 --> 00:19:34,944 Speaker 1: fire episode, that's when she steps off as showrunner. Fire episode, Yes, yeah, 422 00:19:35,024 --> 00:19:39,864 Speaker 1: the building's on fire and Stephanie, the intern. Stephanie is 423 00:19:40,184 --> 00:19:41,904 Speaker 1: like trying to get this child out of the building. 424 00:19:42,024 --> 00:19:46,864 Speaker 5: I know what happens, what happens? Does she get out? Yeah? 425 00:19:46,904 --> 00:19:49,784 Speaker 1: She gets as a great episode Stephanie is also a loss. 426 00:19:49,824 --> 00:19:53,624 Speaker 1: Like her character is incredible, but then Shonder steps off. 427 00:19:53,904 --> 00:19:56,584 Speaker 1: So I think after that it does go from premium 428 00:19:56,664 --> 00:20:00,384 Speaker 1: drama to soap. Yes, both of them are relevant forms 429 00:20:00,424 --> 00:20:03,184 Speaker 1: of television, but the show is different. But I think 430 00:20:03,184 --> 00:20:05,904 Speaker 1: it's discomfort watching. That's where it becomes comfort. 431 00:20:05,704 --> 00:20:06,504 Speaker 4: Yes, for sure. 432 00:20:06,584 --> 00:20:09,944 Speaker 3: And it's that rewatching because knowing what to expect and 433 00:20:10,064 --> 00:20:14,704 Speaker 3: just able to revisit that over and over again. Who 434 00:20:14,784 --> 00:20:19,944 Speaker 3: is your favorite character? Like fringe character, fringe character, like underrated? 435 00:20:20,384 --> 00:20:22,624 Speaker 5: Oh, that's such a good question. So many of them. 436 00:20:22,944 --> 00:20:25,544 Speaker 3: I'm actually looking at the Wikipedia right now with all 437 00:20:25,584 --> 00:20:26,064 Speaker 3: the characters. 438 00:20:26,064 --> 00:20:28,584 Speaker 4: If you need a reminder, No, she doesn't. 439 00:20:29,024 --> 00:20:34,624 Speaker 1: I'm just like, she's got her head. I think steph Yeah, 440 00:20:34,664 --> 00:20:40,904 Speaker 1: played by Jerka Hinton. She's she's a completely underrated and 441 00:20:40,944 --> 00:20:41,584 Speaker 1: should have stayed. 442 00:20:41,704 --> 00:20:44,224 Speaker 3: Do you have someone Okay, do you want to do 443 00:20:44,224 --> 00:20:45,664 Speaker 3: you want to have a look at the Wikipedia? Well, 444 00:20:45,704 --> 00:20:51,744 Speaker 3: it just might be an unpopular opinion, but I loved Burke. Yeah, 445 00:20:51,784 --> 00:20:54,384 Speaker 3: it's so unpopular because but it's. 446 00:20:54,184 --> 00:20:57,264 Speaker 1: A shame because he bought something really different to the show. 447 00:20:57,464 --> 00:20:57,784 Speaker 5: Yeah. 448 00:20:57,944 --> 00:21:01,304 Speaker 2: I just liked how kind of mean he was and like, yeah, 449 00:21:01,424 --> 00:21:05,144 Speaker 2: which I mean the real guy's pretty mean as well. Yeah, 450 00:21:05,184 --> 00:21:07,624 Speaker 2: But I think it's just wild to me that this 451 00:21:07,744 --> 00:21:12,144 Speaker 2: show has so many controversies around with the actors, especially 452 00:21:12,184 --> 00:21:15,744 Speaker 2: the male actors who've been in it, and characters that 453 00:21:15,904 --> 00:21:21,184 Speaker 2: everyone's loved, like Burke and Doctor Shepherd, Patrick Dempsey, like 454 00:21:21,264 --> 00:21:24,784 Speaker 2: they all were able to just vanish and the show 455 00:21:24,904 --> 00:21:27,544 Speaker 2: just didn't get harmed by it. Yeah. 456 00:21:27,624 --> 00:21:30,664 Speaker 1: I think the show was more harmed by Sandra O's 457 00:21:30,824 --> 00:21:33,944 Speaker 1: exit than it was by Patrick Dempsey. 458 00:21:34,104 --> 00:21:40,784 Speaker 2: And I also think it was really harmed by Catherine Hagel, Yeah, 459 00:21:41,024 --> 00:21:41,864 Speaker 2: because I. 460 00:21:41,784 --> 00:21:44,704 Speaker 3: Think there was like, she's so unlikable. 461 00:21:44,184 --> 00:21:46,344 Speaker 2: But I think there was all these men who actually 462 00:21:46,384 --> 00:21:51,104 Speaker 2: did horrible things versus a woman who was just so 463 00:21:51,144 --> 00:21:53,744 Speaker 2: passionate about her art that she was just like, I 464 00:21:53,744 --> 00:21:56,864 Speaker 2: don't think this role deserved an Emmy. And she's been 465 00:21:56,904 --> 00:21:59,784 Speaker 2: completely ostracized, not just from the show but for the 466 00:21:59,984 --> 00:22:03,544 Speaker 2: entire industry for years. It's only now that like now 467 00:22:03,544 --> 00:22:06,104 Speaker 2: she's done her sit down with all Pompeo that it's 468 00:22:06,104 --> 00:22:09,544 Speaker 2: like they're suddenly like on her side again, because it's 469 00:22:09,664 --> 00:22:11,264 Speaker 2: like good to listen to women again. 470 00:22:11,344 --> 00:22:13,344 Speaker 1: Yeah, because she was just like, I had boundaries, what's 471 00:22:13,344 --> 00:22:13,864 Speaker 1: wrong with that? 472 00:22:13,984 --> 00:22:14,184 Speaker 6: Yeah? 473 00:22:14,224 --> 00:22:16,184 Speaker 1: And everyone went, hey, oh I've got nothing. 474 00:22:16,384 --> 00:22:18,104 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's that's actually reasonable. 475 00:22:18,224 --> 00:22:20,504 Speaker 5: Love that ye. Anyway, that's my two cents. 476 00:22:20,624 --> 00:22:24,344 Speaker 1: You didn't like Catherine Heigel or Isy this is the question. 477 00:22:25,104 --> 00:22:27,984 Speaker 2: She was like, I guess the first experience with death 478 00:22:28,064 --> 00:22:30,344 Speaker 2: in the show, right, Yeah, but I guy that she 479 00:22:30,424 --> 00:22:32,144 Speaker 2: kind of married Dyke. 480 00:22:32,504 --> 00:22:33,744 Speaker 5: Yeah. 481 00:22:34,144 --> 00:22:36,384 Speaker 3: Now I'm trying to figure out whether it's the person 482 00:22:36,664 --> 00:22:38,064 Speaker 3: or the character that I didn't like. 483 00:22:38,544 --> 00:22:39,224 Speaker 4: And I don't know. 484 00:22:39,344 --> 00:22:43,104 Speaker 3: Maybe you're right. Maybe I was just infected by the 485 00:22:43,224 --> 00:22:46,544 Speaker 3: discourse around how horrible this woman was for putting up boundaries. 486 00:22:46,824 --> 00:22:50,624 Speaker 3: Maybe I have some internalized misogyny. Whoa, whoa. 487 00:22:50,664 --> 00:22:53,624 Speaker 2: And that's what grace Anadamy does. It just breaks down 488 00:22:53,704 --> 00:22:55,904 Speaker 2: barriers and all parts of our lives. 489 00:22:56,304 --> 00:22:59,504 Speaker 1: Holds a mirror to society. Thank you, Shonda. 490 00:22:59,824 --> 00:23:01,904 Speaker 3: I really want to just mention Amelia Sheppard because I 491 00:23:01,944 --> 00:23:02,744 Speaker 3: love her so much. 492 00:23:02,984 --> 00:23:04,184 Speaker 1: She's my last. 493 00:23:05,504 --> 00:23:07,224 Speaker 5: Oh my god, really is. 494 00:23:10,544 --> 00:23:12,944 Speaker 3: The whole Like she comes from private practice, she's got 495 00:23:12,944 --> 00:23:15,504 Speaker 3: this like addiction issue, and then she's like a really 496 00:23:15,544 --> 00:23:16,064 Speaker 3: good surgeon. 497 00:23:16,104 --> 00:23:18,104 Speaker 4: Then she's a b I think she's funny. I really 498 00:23:18,224 --> 00:23:18,624 Speaker 4: like her. 499 00:23:19,144 --> 00:23:20,904 Speaker 1: Okay her in private practice. 500 00:23:21,224 --> 00:23:24,544 Speaker 2: Love yeah, oh so she started on private practice I 501 00:23:24,584 --> 00:23:27,784 Speaker 2: Love and then Game to Grace when Derek died and 502 00:23:27,824 --> 00:23:29,864 Speaker 2: it was all this big thing because Mary didn't call 503 00:23:29,904 --> 00:23:33,024 Speaker 2: any of Derek's family when he was about to die. Yeah, 504 00:23:33,104 --> 00:23:35,944 Speaker 2: yeah she So did they start off as enemies this tension? 505 00:23:36,144 --> 00:23:36,424 Speaker 4: Yeah? 506 00:23:36,584 --> 00:23:36,944 Speaker 5: Okay. 507 00:23:36,984 --> 00:23:41,104 Speaker 1: So my issue with Amelia Shepherd is when you pair 508 00:23:41,184 --> 00:23:45,064 Speaker 1: her against Owen, you realize Sandra was lifting Kevin McKidd. 509 00:23:45,344 --> 00:23:46,944 Speaker 2: Wait, why are we pairing her against her? 510 00:23:46,944 --> 00:23:50,104 Speaker 1: Okay? So Christina Yang and Owen were in a relationship 511 00:23:50,624 --> 00:23:52,944 Speaker 1: and she is a phenomenal actor. She's obviously gone and 512 00:23:52,984 --> 00:23:55,544 Speaker 1: done an amazing things, and their scenes were so passionate, 513 00:23:56,144 --> 00:23:57,984 Speaker 1: but you realize it's like when you have when you 514 00:23:58,024 --> 00:24:01,024 Speaker 1: play tennis, if you verse someone who's really good, you're 515 00:24:01,064 --> 00:24:03,224 Speaker 1: going to be better because you're trying to Like, you're 516 00:24:03,224 --> 00:24:05,104 Speaker 1: going to lose still, but you're going to play a 517 00:24:05,104 --> 00:24:05,544 Speaker 1: better game. 518 00:24:05,744 --> 00:24:06,264 Speaker 5: Yeah. 519 00:24:06,384 --> 00:24:10,784 Speaker 1: When you partner Owen with Amelia, their scenes were it's 520 00:24:10,944 --> 00:24:13,424 Speaker 1: so dramatic. I was like, why are they just yelling 521 00:24:13,464 --> 00:24:17,544 Speaker 1: at each other? There was no nuance to the scene. Again, 522 00:24:17,824 --> 00:24:20,664 Speaker 1: I'm very judgy. I struggled because you're an actor. 523 00:24:21,184 --> 00:24:22,984 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I. 524 00:24:23,744 --> 00:24:24,224 Speaker 4: Was talking about it. 525 00:24:24,304 --> 00:24:26,344 Speaker 3: I appreciate that. I think her as a character I 526 00:24:26,384 --> 00:24:29,384 Speaker 3: really enjoy, don't have a character great storylines, Owen, I 527 00:24:29,464 --> 00:24:33,304 Speaker 3: think I think you're one hundred percent who hang on 528 00:24:33,344 --> 00:24:36,424 Speaker 3: a second. Owen singing in that musical episode is the 529 00:24:36,424 --> 00:24:38,984 Speaker 3: most cringe thing I've ever seen in my life. 530 00:24:39,144 --> 00:24:43,144 Speaker 2: The music episode the most famously what was it the 531 00:24:43,224 --> 00:24:45,064 Speaker 2: big most unliked episode? 532 00:24:45,264 --> 00:24:47,704 Speaker 1: Yeah, Shonda rewords this as. 533 00:24:48,024 --> 00:24:51,424 Speaker 2: The worst rated episode in television history. 534 00:24:51,464 --> 00:24:52,144 Speaker 5: Can I say that. 535 00:24:52,384 --> 00:24:56,384 Speaker 1: Shonda rebrands this? She says it's her most talked about episode. 536 00:24:56,384 --> 00:25:00,144 Speaker 3: Oh, I love She's amazing. It's true a marketing genius. 537 00:25:00,704 --> 00:25:03,584 Speaker 3: So something that I think is quite pertinent the way 538 00:25:03,624 --> 00:25:06,264 Speaker 3: that we're talking about Shonda. She said something in an 539 00:25:06,304 --> 00:25:09,384 Speaker 3: interview recently which really stuck with me, and it's something 540 00:25:09,384 --> 00:25:12,384 Speaker 3: that I've always looked on someone's interviewing her and talking 541 00:25:12,384 --> 00:25:15,584 Speaker 3: about like motherhood and you know that work life balance, 542 00:25:15,624 --> 00:25:19,144 Speaker 3: and she goes, there is no balance. When I'm at work, 543 00:25:19,344 --> 00:25:22,664 Speaker 3: I'm missing something with my kids. When I'm with my kids, 544 00:25:22,744 --> 00:25:26,064 Speaker 3: I'm missing something at work. Something has to be sacrificed, 545 00:25:26,144 --> 00:25:28,304 Speaker 3: no matter which side you're on, and you just have 546 00:25:28,384 --> 00:25:31,984 Speaker 3: to figure out which one is more important in that moment. 547 00:25:32,584 --> 00:25:36,264 Speaker 3: And honestly, that has like hit me in such a 548 00:25:36,304 --> 00:25:38,784 Speaker 3: spot because I'm like, that is so true, because you 549 00:25:38,784 --> 00:25:42,464 Speaker 3: can give you're all in writing this series, but maybe 550 00:25:42,464 --> 00:25:45,464 Speaker 3: you're missing a dance recital or something. I know this 551 00:25:45,504 --> 00:25:48,744 Speaker 3: isn't completely like relevant, but I just like your love 552 00:25:48,784 --> 00:25:49,544 Speaker 3: of Shonda Rhimes. 553 00:25:49,584 --> 00:25:52,784 Speaker 4: I thought that you might enjoy that I do. 554 00:25:52,864 --> 00:25:55,104 Speaker 5: And Grace that's going to be used. Grace is pregnant. 555 00:25:55,144 --> 00:25:56,064 Speaker 2: I'm anyone who doesn't know. 556 00:25:56,424 --> 00:25:57,864 Speaker 3: That was also why I said it, but then I 557 00:25:57,864 --> 00:25:59,584 Speaker 3: didn't want to like mention it in case of like 558 00:25:59,584 --> 00:26:00,464 Speaker 3: announced publicly. 559 00:26:00,864 --> 00:26:04,064 Speaker 1: I don't care what I love about that is. Ellen 560 00:26:04,104 --> 00:26:06,424 Speaker 1: Pompeo says this. She speaks to this in the Call 561 00:26:06,464 --> 00:26:09,544 Speaker 1: of Daddy interview this week, and she goes, shonder is 562 00:26:09,584 --> 00:26:11,584 Speaker 1: the person when you tell her that you're pregnant. She's like, 563 00:26:11,664 --> 00:26:14,824 Speaker 1: get confetti, get balloons. This is so wonderful. But then 564 00:26:14,864 --> 00:26:18,024 Speaker 1: she goes, how do we make sure that you're comfortable? 565 00:26:18,064 --> 00:26:19,704 Speaker 1: And how do we make sure you get to work? 566 00:26:19,744 --> 00:26:21,264 Speaker 1: And how do we make sure you can come back 567 00:26:21,264 --> 00:26:24,704 Speaker 1: from work? Yeah, and she sees the woman as not 568 00:26:24,824 --> 00:26:27,544 Speaker 1: just you're having a baby. Okay, well now we've got 569 00:26:27,584 --> 00:26:29,784 Speaker 1: to fix that problem. She's like, Okay, your life is 570 00:26:29,824 --> 00:26:33,424 Speaker 1: about to change. How do we integrate that into your work, 571 00:26:33,504 --> 00:26:35,944 Speaker 1: because that's obviously so important to you. And I think 572 00:26:36,224 --> 00:26:39,344 Speaker 1: this beautiful, holistic approach to a person in their career 573 00:26:39,384 --> 00:26:41,584 Speaker 1: is she's this is one that she's the queen, she's 574 00:26:41,704 --> 00:26:44,104 Speaker 1: wonderful and yeah. 575 00:26:43,784 --> 00:26:46,264 Speaker 3: But I think acknowledging that on this is just a 576 00:26:46,304 --> 00:26:49,704 Speaker 3: slightly deeper level acknowledging that you don't have to be 577 00:26:49,744 --> 00:26:53,944 Speaker 3: as high powered business woman an amazing mother at all times. 578 00:26:54,064 --> 00:26:56,744 Speaker 3: Something is going to suffer at some point. Understanding that 579 00:26:56,824 --> 00:26:59,064 Speaker 3: it is a give and take doesn't mean you can't 580 00:26:59,104 --> 00:27:03,304 Speaker 3: be successful in both, but it does mean that being 581 00:27:03,344 --> 00:27:06,824 Speaker 3: aware that there are sacrifices. And even someone like Shonda Rhimes, 582 00:27:06,824 --> 00:27:10,184 Speaker 3: who is one of the most successful TV show creators, 583 00:27:10,624 --> 00:27:14,704 Speaker 3: bridgeton graising out at me, like incredibly successful, even admits 584 00:27:14,744 --> 00:27:17,424 Speaker 3: that at times she's dropped the ball in motherhood or 585 00:27:17,464 --> 00:27:19,224 Speaker 3: dropped the ball as a showrunner. 586 00:27:19,344 --> 00:27:22,544 Speaker 1: You're not built up two hundred percent, like you can't yeah, 587 00:27:22,664 --> 00:27:23,824 Speaker 1: you can't give it to everything. 588 00:27:23,824 --> 00:27:24,504 Speaker 4: But I loved that. 589 00:27:24,824 --> 00:27:28,184 Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry, I know that was so loved, Like it 590 00:27:28,264 --> 00:27:32,704 Speaker 3: just feels it feels pertinent, especially in this office, in 591 00:27:32,704 --> 00:27:36,384 Speaker 3: this company. You know, it's that is so the Mama 592 00:27:36,424 --> 00:27:37,504 Speaker 3: me away, you know of it. 593 00:27:37,544 --> 00:27:39,424 Speaker 1: On the flip side, she also teaches us to live 594 00:27:39,464 --> 00:27:41,864 Speaker 1: that year of yes and to say yes to opportunities. 595 00:27:41,904 --> 00:27:44,624 Speaker 1: But she's not just about career work, work work. She's like, 596 00:27:44,744 --> 00:27:46,664 Speaker 1: in your personal life as well, what are the yeses 597 00:27:46,704 --> 00:27:48,824 Speaker 1: you can do? And if the yes is Holly wayIn 598 00:27:48,864 --> 00:27:50,664 Speaker 1: Wright says it as well. I think that was her 599 00:27:50,704 --> 00:27:52,504 Speaker 1: word of the year, m out loud host you will 600 00:27:52,544 --> 00:27:54,344 Speaker 1: correct me? Is you can say yes to no? 601 00:27:54,664 --> 00:27:55,384 Speaker 5: Yeah? 602 00:27:55,464 --> 00:27:58,664 Speaker 2: That's so true. And I think that sentiment of her 603 00:27:58,904 --> 00:28:02,744 Speaker 2: comes out in her characters, especially Christina Yang, like, I 604 00:28:02,744 --> 00:28:05,424 Speaker 2: feel like everything that Shonda Rhymes has said in interviews 605 00:28:05,424 --> 00:28:09,304 Speaker 2: and stuff, I picture Christina Yang also saying, and I 606 00:28:09,344 --> 00:28:12,224 Speaker 2: think that was for me. When Cosina Yang left the show, 607 00:28:12,264 --> 00:28:14,984 Speaker 2: it just felt like a whole loss of an identity 608 00:28:14,984 --> 00:28:16,784 Speaker 2: of a woman that's been built up by so many 609 00:28:16,824 --> 00:28:17,784 Speaker 2: other women in. 610 00:28:17,704 --> 00:28:20,664 Speaker 3: The real world, especially because Meredith was the original pick 611 00:28:20,704 --> 00:28:22,464 Speaker 3: me girl, you know, oh, the pic me girl. 612 00:28:22,744 --> 00:28:27,704 Speaker 8: I lied, I'm not out of this relationship. I'm in. 613 00:28:28,144 --> 00:28:31,864 Speaker 8: I'm so in. It's humiliating because here I am beggang 614 00:28:32,424 --> 00:28:37,064 Speaker 8: shut up, you say, Meredith, and I yell, remember okay, 615 00:28:38,464 --> 00:28:43,664 Speaker 8: here it is your choice. It's simple her or me, 616 00:28:45,064 --> 00:28:45,904 Speaker 8: And I'm sure. 617 00:28:45,664 --> 00:28:53,144 Speaker 6: She's really great. But Derek, I love you in a 618 00:28:53,184 --> 00:28:57,144 Speaker 6: really really big pretend to like your taste in music. 619 00:28:57,984 --> 00:29:00,624 Speaker 6: Let you eat the last piece of cheesecake, hold a 620 00:29:00,744 --> 00:29:04,384 Speaker 6: radio over my head outside your window. Unfortunate way that 621 00:29:04,464 --> 00:29:09,824 Speaker 6: makes me hate you, love you. So pick me, choose me, 622 00:29:11,504 --> 00:29:12,024 Speaker 6: love me. 623 00:29:12,544 --> 00:29:13,064 Speaker 4: Love me. 624 00:29:13,384 --> 00:29:15,184 Speaker 5: That's such a good voice. So I have a thank you. 625 00:29:16,504 --> 00:29:20,464 Speaker 1: I have a fact on this that Ellen Pompeo hated 626 00:29:20,504 --> 00:29:23,664 Speaker 1: the line. Hated the line from Data from Day Dot 627 00:29:23,984 --> 00:29:26,544 Speaker 1: and Shonda knew that she hated it. But when this 628 00:29:26,584 --> 00:29:28,664 Speaker 1: is going to go off, this will be a moment. 629 00:29:28,704 --> 00:29:32,104 Speaker 1: So they had that conversation of Ellen as a woman 630 00:29:32,264 --> 00:29:33,984 Speaker 1: was like, I would never beg someone to leave their 631 00:29:34,024 --> 00:29:38,464 Speaker 1: wife ever, But for the greater good of the show, 632 00:29:38,664 --> 00:29:40,944 Speaker 1: this is going to go off. And Ellen says it's 633 00:29:40,984 --> 00:29:43,904 Speaker 1: the most quoted line to her of all My. 634 00:29:43,824 --> 00:29:46,744 Speaker 2: God, imagine being quoted the line that you absolutely despised 635 00:29:46,824 --> 00:29:49,024 Speaker 2: to you all the time. But the Picmic Girl came 636 00:29:49,264 --> 00:29:53,104 Speaker 2: years after, like a whole generation after that episode aired, 637 00:29:53,384 --> 00:29:55,744 Speaker 2: so it feels like it has this whole new light. 638 00:29:56,344 --> 00:29:59,784 Speaker 2: And I think when that episode first aired, it was like, 639 00:29:59,864 --> 00:30:02,344 Speaker 2: oh my God with the whole Macdreamy mc steem me. 640 00:30:02,424 --> 00:30:04,064 Speaker 2: Everyone was like, oh my god, I would love to 641 00:30:04,104 --> 00:30:06,704 Speaker 2: be Merethon Gray, Like she's in the best position. She's 642 00:30:06,744 --> 00:30:08,944 Speaker 2: got this hot doctor who's super rich, who's left his 643 00:30:08,984 --> 00:30:10,824 Speaker 2: wife for her, Like what a dream and now she 644 00:30:10,984 --> 00:30:14,464 Speaker 2: has the best boyfriend ever. And I think the next 645 00:30:14,504 --> 00:30:17,984 Speaker 2: generation when they took that pick me angle, they've changed 646 00:30:18,024 --> 00:30:19,784 Speaker 2: it to be like why would you want to be 647 00:30:20,224 --> 00:30:22,144 Speaker 2: that woman? And I think that's what she's getting on 648 00:30:22,144 --> 00:30:22,504 Speaker 2: board with. 649 00:30:23,064 --> 00:30:26,784 Speaker 1: Yeah, some shows don't age well. This is not a 650 00:30:26,824 --> 00:30:28,864 Speaker 1: situation where the show hasn't aged well where you watch 651 00:30:28,864 --> 00:30:31,464 Speaker 1: Friends or you watch Scrubs and you go, oh that's bad. 652 00:30:31,984 --> 00:30:35,304 Speaker 1: You do watch it and go, oh, we've learnt to 653 00:30:36,064 --> 00:30:38,664 Speaker 1: not be gas lip like Derek is. Derek is a 654 00:30:38,664 --> 00:30:41,384 Speaker 1: gas ladder. Yeah, it's complex situations. 655 00:30:42,024 --> 00:30:44,304 Speaker 2: Mark is like honest about it. 656 00:30:44,384 --> 00:30:46,704 Speaker 3: He's like he's a bit of an asshole, but where 657 00:30:46,864 --> 00:30:49,024 Speaker 3: like he's not trying, he's not trying not to be. 658 00:30:49,024 --> 00:30:50,824 Speaker 2: But Derek was like, I'll just make out with both 659 00:30:50,864 --> 00:30:53,024 Speaker 2: of them and then like what, you'll figure it out. 660 00:30:53,264 --> 00:30:57,464 Speaker 3: I really, I really really like Mark Mark's lane all right, have. 661 00:30:57,464 --> 00:30:58,224 Speaker 4: I made that Claire? 662 00:30:59,784 --> 00:31:02,024 Speaker 2: I did think like, I know you guys were ragging 663 00:31:02,024 --> 00:31:04,384 Speaker 2: on his death, but I thought, like that death to 664 00:31:04,504 --> 00:31:08,024 Speaker 2: me the whole, like where he gets that wind before 665 00:31:08,144 --> 00:31:13,104 Speaker 2: you die, like and the search like I haven't had 666 00:31:13,544 --> 00:31:16,184 Speaker 2: like Touchwood, I haven't had that much experience with death 667 00:31:16,184 --> 00:31:18,784 Speaker 2: around me. But the experience I have had has had 668 00:31:18,824 --> 00:31:22,784 Speaker 2: that search, and that episode taught me how to deal 669 00:31:22,824 --> 00:31:26,504 Speaker 2: with that, like how to not be super excited when 670 00:31:26,544 --> 00:31:27,944 Speaker 2: that happens with a loved one. 671 00:31:28,624 --> 00:31:31,344 Speaker 1: Wow, I had no idea that it was an actual 672 00:31:31,384 --> 00:31:31,944 Speaker 1: thing that happened. 673 00:31:31,944 --> 00:31:34,344 Speaker 2: It's an actual yeah. 674 00:31:35,544 --> 00:31:38,104 Speaker 1: Seanda, she's teaching us, so she's helping us here. 675 00:31:40,264 --> 00:31:41,904 Speaker 2: To friendship death. 676 00:31:42,064 --> 00:31:44,184 Speaker 1: But I do want to ask if so your favorite 677 00:31:44,384 --> 00:31:48,664 Speaker 1: hotness meter you're at mxtainy. I think am. I think 678 00:31:48,704 --> 00:31:50,024 Speaker 1: you and I have the same one of the person 679 00:31:50,104 --> 00:31:51,024 Speaker 1: we're most attracted to. 680 00:31:52,384 --> 00:31:54,784 Speaker 5: I'm scared to say mine. If you say someone else. 681 00:31:54,624 --> 00:31:56,064 Speaker 3: Can I say my runner up and you tell me 682 00:31:56,064 --> 00:31:59,704 Speaker 3: if it's this person? Yeah, you're first Jackson Ara, Yeah, Yeah, 683 00:31:59,704 --> 00:32:00,184 Speaker 3: he's the top. 684 00:32:00,304 --> 00:32:02,024 Speaker 5: Yeah, he's the top, he's the top. 685 00:32:02,224 --> 00:32:08,304 Speaker 2: My second runner eyes, my runner up is Owen. 686 00:32:10,384 --> 00:32:12,264 Speaker 5: It's the okay, you. 687 00:32:12,304 --> 00:32:13,744 Speaker 4: Know what, it's okay. 688 00:32:13,864 --> 00:32:15,304 Speaker 2: And he's come from a haunted part. 689 00:32:15,384 --> 00:32:17,104 Speaker 1: But do you know what? I think Shonda Rhimes casts 690 00:32:17,184 --> 00:32:20,144 Speaker 1: people based on back muscles, and we should thank her 691 00:32:20,144 --> 00:32:20,424 Speaker 1: for that. 692 00:32:20,464 --> 00:32:22,264 Speaker 2: But you've got to hold up something well. 693 00:32:22,384 --> 00:32:24,464 Speaker 1: When you think, have you watched How to Get Away 694 00:32:24,464 --> 00:32:24,864 Speaker 1: with Murder? 695 00:32:25,664 --> 00:32:25,944 Speaker 5: Oh? 696 00:32:26,024 --> 00:32:28,024 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Nately, Nately? 697 00:32:28,624 --> 00:32:31,504 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, just film that man from the back? 698 00:32:31,744 --> 00:32:33,624 Speaker 4: Oh, I'm so glad that Jackson Avery is up there 699 00:32:33,624 --> 00:32:34,104 Speaker 4: with you guys. 700 00:32:34,424 --> 00:32:35,224 Speaker 3: Is he's still in the show? 701 00:32:35,624 --> 00:32:35,704 Speaker 8: Not? 702 00:32:36,544 --> 00:32:38,224 Speaker 4: No, he's gone now, isn't he? 703 00:32:38,264 --> 00:32:38,784 Speaker 2: Okay? 704 00:32:39,104 --> 00:32:40,184 Speaker 4: He had a weird ending. 705 00:32:40,264 --> 00:32:42,304 Speaker 3: I liked him when he first started and those eyes 706 00:32:42,384 --> 00:32:43,544 Speaker 3: like he could read me. 707 00:32:43,544 --> 00:32:45,144 Speaker 4: The fun but it would be interested. 708 00:32:44,904 --> 00:32:47,264 Speaker 1: If we talk about bad endings. We've got to talk 709 00:32:47,304 --> 00:32:48,104 Speaker 1: about Alex's career. 710 00:32:48,544 --> 00:32:49,344 Speaker 2: What happened there? 711 00:32:49,544 --> 00:32:49,744 Speaker 6: Yeah? 712 00:32:49,824 --> 00:32:51,904 Speaker 2: I don't know drama behind that? 713 00:32:52,144 --> 00:32:52,744 Speaker 3: Did I die? 714 00:32:52,784 --> 00:32:53,264 Speaker 4: I forget? 715 00:32:53,264 --> 00:32:56,464 Speaker 1: He didn't die, He just let like is he right? Yeah? 716 00:32:56,464 --> 00:32:58,704 Speaker 1: He left to go be with Easy, but he leaves 717 00:32:58,824 --> 00:33:02,464 Speaker 1: as a voiceover letter? Did they run out of me? 718 00:33:02,864 --> 00:33:02,944 Speaker 6: Like? 719 00:33:02,984 --> 00:33:05,504 Speaker 1: Could they not pay him to come back for one episode? 720 00:33:05,904 --> 00:33:06,784 Speaker 4: Yeah? That was weird. 721 00:33:06,984 --> 00:33:08,304 Speaker 3: You're right, that was terrible. 722 00:33:09,144 --> 00:33:10,144 Speaker 2: And what's he doing now? 723 00:33:10,504 --> 00:33:10,864 Speaker 5: Nothing? 724 00:33:11,064 --> 00:33:13,744 Speaker 3: I'd think he's just in an episode mini series, some 725 00:33:13,784 --> 00:33:15,944 Speaker 3: little bits and pieces, I'm sure he's got some good Grace. 726 00:33:15,744 --> 00:33:18,944 Speaker 2: Money though, final final, will they. 727 00:33:18,824 --> 00:33:19,424 Speaker 5: Show over end? 728 00:33:19,984 --> 00:33:20,224 Speaker 4: Yes? 729 00:33:21,184 --> 00:33:23,904 Speaker 2: I think do you have a prediction and do you 730 00:33:23,904 --> 00:33:26,224 Speaker 2: have a prediction on how it will end with a 731 00:33:26,304 --> 00:33:28,424 Speaker 2: voice over with a voice over all of them? 732 00:33:29,144 --> 00:33:31,864 Speaker 1: Oh, I mean maybe, because they do try to be 733 00:33:31,904 --> 00:33:34,504 Speaker 1: a bit political and a bit poignant. Sometimes it could 734 00:33:34,544 --> 00:33:37,304 Speaker 1: be about the American health system and losing money in 735 00:33:37,344 --> 00:33:38,424 Speaker 1: the hospital shuts down. 736 00:33:39,584 --> 00:33:43,304 Speaker 2: Maybe, and then they get all the actors have ever 737 00:33:43,344 --> 00:33:44,624 Speaker 2: worked on the show to come back to try to 738 00:33:44,624 --> 00:33:46,424 Speaker 2: save it. It doesn't work out, so they all say one 739 00:33:46,424 --> 00:33:47,104 Speaker 2: bigger bite. 740 00:33:47,264 --> 00:33:48,784 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it might. They might try and do 741 00:33:48,824 --> 00:33:51,344 Speaker 1: it like a neighbor's goodbye, like where they get as 742 00:33:51,384 --> 00:33:52,704 Speaker 1: many people like Shonda might. 743 00:33:54,264 --> 00:33:55,064 Speaker 5: Yeah, they'll get. 744 00:33:56,704 --> 00:34:01,664 Speaker 1: Sandra just comes from the ceiling like an angel, come 745 00:34:01,704 --> 00:34:04,424 Speaker 1: in for one big surgery that requires like fifty people, 746 00:34:04,464 --> 00:34:05,064 Speaker 1: and then it's done. 747 00:34:05,144 --> 00:34:08,504 Speaker 2: Oh that's so funny. Well, thank you so much, Grace 748 00:34:08,584 --> 00:34:09,304 Speaker 2: for joining us. 749 00:34:09,384 --> 00:34:10,624 Speaker 5: I feel like this is a really fun. 750 00:34:11,264 --> 00:34:13,784 Speaker 2: We're also sitting on couches, so we're just like. 751 00:34:13,824 --> 00:34:16,464 Speaker 3: Lying back honestly, like we have to wrap up, but 752 00:34:16,504 --> 00:34:18,824 Speaker 3: I don't want to. I've been having so much fun 753 00:34:18,904 --> 00:34:21,304 Speaker 3: and I love also just like getting really serious and 754 00:34:21,384 --> 00:34:24,744 Speaker 3: like delving into it, like it's some kind of it 755 00:34:24,864 --> 00:34:26,024 Speaker 3: is literacy. 756 00:34:26,184 --> 00:34:30,104 Speaker 4: What do we like a literary It's an analysis. 757 00:34:30,104 --> 00:34:33,384 Speaker 1: It's an analysis of the cultural impact of Shonda Rhimes 758 00:34:33,384 --> 00:34:34,544 Speaker 1: and the shows that she's made. 759 00:34:34,704 --> 00:34:38,304 Speaker 4: Thy Doctor, Doctor Grace. Thank you very much, thank. 760 00:34:38,184 --> 00:34:41,464 Speaker 2: You, thank you so much for listening to This Bill 761 00:34:41,464 --> 00:34:43,424 Speaker 2: today and this Bally honest review. We do a lot 762 00:34:43,464 --> 00:34:45,824 Speaker 2: of these really honest reviews. We will link a bunch 763 00:34:46,024 --> 00:34:48,184 Speaker 2: in our show notes. My favorite one we've still done 764 00:34:48,224 --> 00:34:51,664 Speaker 2: was a briallyview of Gladiator Too. That's my personal favorite. 765 00:34:51,864 --> 00:34:54,464 Speaker 2: If you love this episode, please follow us on Instagram 766 00:34:54,464 --> 00:34:56,984 Speaker 2: at this Bill podcast. We've post a whole bunch on there, 767 00:34:57,224 --> 00:34:59,864 Speaker 2: and we will see you at three pm on Monday. 768 00:35:00,024 --> 00:35:06,504 Speaker 4: Bye bye.